FARM FENCING...WOOD POST AND STEEL POST BRACING COMPARED..WELDS AND MORE!
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Do you have caps for the post? Water will get in them and freeze and bust them.
No sir...water won't bust these steel post...maybe Luke will see your comment and tell ya what happens....I too was concerned
Stoney Ridge Farmer will the water expand out the top I have seen cab pillars burst as they were sealed at the top
So any and all water should disipate inside the post as fast as it would outside the post....the post get hot in the sun....so evaporation occurs at about 5 times the rate as on the land. If water freezes in these post it will expand upward...however the post is in the ground 3 to 6ft....metal conducts heat...as we all well know dig down 16 inches and you're temps remain a fairly constant 50-55 degrees around here. This heat is conducted right up the post preventing that "hard freeze" Hope this helps explain a bit more
Stoney Ridge Farmer that makes sense I am fencing since 1995 and you will have the thermal transfer of heat I would not get with cement around a post at 24 inches
Should still be covered because of animals and insects
Having this much fence built by professionals will save you problems later. I have built fence in the past and the learning curve cost a lot of time and money in the future. Josh you made the best decision.
I have seen dozens of utube vidios on fences. You are the only one that has shown how to do right. It's always best to learn from professionals.
Great to watch guys that realy know what they are doing ,great job.
You shud throw a barbecue party for the helpers, and post it🍺👍😁
We hired an outstanding fence crew, Amish to build our farm fences. Not this high dollar but it is straight, right and truly fine fence. Yes we could have struggled to get it done but it was worth getting a contractor to do it. He has the right machines and they put up the fences and gates quickly.
This will be beautiful fence. Great job.
This why I watch your channel! Epic learning opportunities I've fenced a heck of a lot!
I did mine with wood posts and it is still working great but I did my bracing different the way my dad taught me 60 years ago. Looking good
Very cool. I'm always into leaning new things. May not need a technique on a fence but may very well be able to apply it to another task.
Thanks for sharing.
Josh , this is so impressive . Thank you for doing this . This has got to be the best teaching video on RUclips .
I have learned so much.
Last fence built on our farm was 35 yrs ago out of railroad ties, cedar post and red brand wire, still holding cattle today too!
Love that old ford Josh. When I was 16 my step dad helped me rebuild a 73 model. He ended up giving it to me for my 17th birthday. Best darn truck I ever had!!!
Interesting process. Thanks Josh.
Man I have been watching since day one and I tell you what y'all have made a beautiful home place and farm ..........
Thanks Kevin...I've seen your comments buddy...I appreciate your positive attitude...truly a great fan of the channel
The braceingon the wood post is different than what we did when I was growing up , plus we didn't have that much pressure either !! Too much pressure in the summer means it may break in the winter . That is what I was tought!! The fence looks great waiting to see how it holds up !!! Good video ,keep up the good work !!!
You must be jazzed, Josh! I was getting excited watching them finish that section!
Great videos and through explanation of the process. Two suggestions. First, a cost comparison vs wood posts and regular farm fence on 330' rolls. Second, a video about your pre-work. You all had a lot of time in before you even started. I noticed you had intelligently staked out the line, laid the posts where they should have been to be pounded/drilled, etc. A huge part of the couple fence projects I have done were preplanning, so when the help was here we were not guessing. Awesome work you all are doing, and great job on your part for all the video production.
Josh, this fence really looks great and is definitely strong and should outlast all of us. The guys installing the fencing are obviously very proficient in their trade. Enjoyed this very interesting and informative video. Thanks for sharing. Love your channel.
Great video I am using contractors for my boundary fence but doing the internal ones myself. Being 300 metres from the Pacific Ocean steel posts don’t last so long here. Have to use White Mahogany.
Man what a fence job.amazing.simply amazing.real fence experts.much luck to you.
THanks
The Tension is Totally Bearable.
Nice job Josh. You made the right decision on the steel fence. Even better you don’t ever need to paint it. Now that would have been right pain if they was wooden posts.
This is so great so happy for you Josh
This was interesting love the testing/compare !
Appreciate the time taken for that hoss. We only use wood out here but we also pour concrete in to sturdy em up.
Looking like the metal post or for a life time should never have to fool with it again great job!!!! Just like every thing else your doing in for life time!!!!
That was smart of you to hire these fence experts to do part and allow you to learn. I don't care what anyone says, someone can watch RUclips for hours on how to do something, but it doesn't compare to learning from an experts 20 years experience.
Amen! Glad someone sees it ....there's always something out there to learn
That's right.👍🏻👍🏻
Great fence. We have a terrible time with wasps and yellow jackets here in Southwestern Oregon if the posts aren't capped. Sweetie made his own corrals and loading areas for our small farm and every place there is an opening those tubes are like bee nurseries.
Interesting....so in high traffic areas the post are now capped.....We don't want wasps stinging us when we open gates...the line post will be fine....but if we run into an issue...I'll most certainly share it on the vlogs
Excellent video ! Just curious as why on the wooden test pole, the brace post wasn't put at a 45 degree down to the ground like on the metal one ? That would make a big difference. Thanks, thumbs up !
Brace on the wood post has a brace cable.....watch a bit closer...this is how a typical H brace is made ....same pull...same principal....actually if these were steel post it would be even stronger
Stoney Ridge Farmer , Love your channel, love your content. I'm not questioning how a typical H-Brace is done. What I'm saying is that the wooden post should of had the same exact angle brace to make it an apple to apple test, that's all.
I'm on your side when it comes to this type of fencing, it's no doubt the best way to go.
You are right compare the same type of brace than the steel was the test you conducted was made to fail the help your supporter on fence try your test again with same building practice Bet the wood post with 45 degree down leg with 5 ft wood post bury at dead end use a wood post on 45 down leg it will be STOUT AS HELL
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That’s right building correctly you will not see movement on wood, the guy in the video don’t know what happens when steel fills with water and rusts out before a locust post even show age? Plenty of steel posts rusting or bent out there and builders don’t know how to set a post or do a brace proper
I like the fact you can weld the gate nuts, no need to worry about them rotating you and no need to worry about wood rot!
Looks like a fine fence..if it ain't tight..it ain't right!!👍🏻👍🏻
That horizontal medal pipe that supports the wood end post is horizontal, whereas the steel end post has also a steel support bar, but that steel support bar goes diagonal into a buried 6' steel post into the ground - I think the diagonal support post provides better bracing than compared to the one seen in this video that goes directly horizontal and not diagonally.
You Guys are so Blessed 🙏🙏 Brother Josh
I was pretty sure the gripple brace would hold. We use it locally to hand industrial duct and for seismic bracing. Lumber has about 1/10th the strength.
Ya know, when I was building my fence, I made a wire tightener out of 2 2x4s sandwiched over the wire, bolted together, and a ratchet strap. Worked like a charm.
Hey Josh thanks for the video it was good and educational I sure didn't know that was going to happen to that fence post there
Wow that's schedule 40? We use schedule 40 threaded as drop pipe & that's about what it looks like. Josh I buy that stuff by the ton which is a little more for the threading work but totally understand how expensive it is. Looks great!
I didn't know anything about fences. You rock! no pun intended lol.
Are you going to run warratahs(steel stake,yshaped} in between your posts.good addition to keeping fence taught.
Really enjoying this series Josh! Cheers!
GOOD STUFF JOSH !!!
Great video Josh.
Very educational.
do you cap the galvanized fence posts so the water does not rust from the inside out??
IF IT AIN'T TIGHT, IT AIN'T RIGHT! Woooooo!!!
LOL...you like them Stoney Ridge Fencing shirts...www.bonfire.com/if-it-aint-tight-it-aint-right/ nothing like the figure of Gods greatest creation leaning up on a fence post! Thanks for being a great fan buddy
You got that right!! Wooooo
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@@SunshineValley121 Wooooo!
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Very interesting👍I never seen pipe buried even 6ft down to support brace. We used concrete footing to keep brace in place but we are in black n red volcanic soil. We used metal railroad sleep post that’s concrete in to hold strained, we have found concrete post will crack n disintegrate over time and will shift in black soil. Just safety note please wear safety glasses around fencing I had neighbour lost his eye when working with a fence.
What is the cost difference? I can deal with little bit of lean on my farm. Also my dad would always weld an x brace together for our wooded posts don't know if that would make a difference in your test?
Hi Josh. Been watching the fence build, but I don't recall seeing how you are attaching the fence to the pipes or how you keep it from sliding down over time. Sorry if I've missed something. Been rebuilding and replacing my fences for 50 years. Learned it's best to do them big and strong in the first place.
Much much more to come my friend
Stoney Ridge Farmer have you ever seen the klipex posts from New Zealand I think they have a clever way of attaching wire to the post but the posts are not as strong as yours
Great video have a good day and stay safe 👍
Make sure your braces have weep holes because condensation will build up then in winter it will freeze and crack at the lowest point
Day two...looks easy Josh...hey......but years of experiences in their hands....when we do it then we know how hard it is😃😃😃😃
I'm so ready to build a fence!
Cool test!! But....
Well, of course it will fail if you pull only on the end post... and with a winch. You have to remember that it is a whole assembly designed to work together with the brace post- not the end post- being the strongest member. But I'm only a 38 year veteran fence builder with an engineering degree, so...
That said, SS40 steel is the stronger, more consistent material- especially in bending. (Your test is one of bending moment at ground level if soil movement is ignored.)
Did I mention that it was a cool test anyway? Enjoyed the video.
When they tested the first one the brace was in the ground 10 feet. The wooden posts was brace from post to post. Wouldn't that make all the differance?
Exactly,.. I’m also a fence builder and your test used 8ft wooden post which are not commonly used for corner h braces but rather line post,... well at least here in Texas
Yeah thats how we build fence in West Virginia to, never a 8ft post as a corner H brace. Im still learning but I could'nt see the fair comparison. Im sure the the metal is better but we have locus post on the farm thats been in the ground for close 50yrs. some are lose but we get snow an ground freezing and thawing an such. Thanks for the reply.
Bitt crazy, gotta love those black locust posts. I have some on my place that Grandpa and dad put in the ground over 60 years ago that are still solid enough to work. Guess what my boys and I use every time we can get our hands on em. And I’m sure their grandkids will love to see them.
@@fomoco300kHeck yeah nothing like the fresh smell of black locust when shaving them. I've pulled them up an reused them if i can. Even used the yellow locus , they don't last as long as black locus maybe. but they work when thats all you got.
How do you attach your wire farm fence to the all the galvanized posts
WOOOOO😀👍🇺🇸as always a great video!
Josh I need to install some fencing. I tried to go to the farming fence solutions you have shown. It came up not available. I’m not sure why.
The fencers are doing a fine job. Josh you do what your doing, your the boss who’s signing the checks and learning the fence tricks. All this bunch gripping are the same ones who can’t pay attention and wish they could do half of what you have. When you start fence building it will be right.
I hope so
Thanks Josh
I know your not complete with this project, but do you have post caps or plan on putting caps on? We have problems in the north here where steel fence lines fill with water and freeze which busts the pipe. I know your in warmer weather but still get a few days of freezing down there.
This is a great Chanel
Thanks buddy
But did you pull the steel posts until the evo started to slide also? Unless you pulled them the same and braced the same (I didn't see that) it didn't mean anything, I don't think.
yep....both were pulled as tight as the Evo would pull....next video will show in more detail attaching to post and pulling wire tight
Stoney, is this something you think a first time fence builder could do or do you recommend wood posts? Im up here in the PNW so high moisture!
I was thinking about using 8 foot x 2 3/8" galvanized horizontal posts like you can get a lowes or homedepot instead of the common steel pipe that is usually used for welding, but I don't see where you can get a 4" galvanized post 10 feet long for the vertical posts. I never see anyone use the galvanized. 1. What are the pros and cons? 2. Can galvanized be painted and stay painted?
These post are not grandmas chain link fence post like ya get at H Depot....these are much heavier grade...the point of getting galvanized posts is that you don't ever need to paint them...this is a 60-100 year post my brotha...a heavy galvanized post like this will have the same integrity in 60 years as it did the day you put it in the ground. Just like with conventional wood post..the area of rust or rot is at ground level....these are the same post that are put around military installations....heavy duty stuff...not hardware store material.....more will be explained in future vids as we build more fence
Those posts look like great homes for wasps. Pine post are crap. You never use pine as a corner/gate post. We always used a combination of T-post and hedge (Osage Orange) on all of the permanent fence. Our wood line post would be 5" and our corners/gate post were nothing less than 10"-12" and 3' in the ground. Here in Missouri I would still be afraid of the post bursting from freezing. Mother Nature is a tough old bitty around here.lol We always had our braces diagonal so that the corner was supported at the top. If you run them straight across then the corner post is only as strong as the post that is bracing it. I hope that all made since. Great job and a great looking fence too. I always liked looking at a job well done after putting in a fresh run.
Josh can you find out what type of Electrode they used to weld the galvanized pipe?
6011 will work fine
The steel fence is interesting,. You want help to finish?
Hi..... Thank you 🎥👍👍👍
ah bet you'll have a blast once they leave!! Looking good although I don't even want to know how much all that metal cost not to mention all the time these guys had to put in
Hey Josh, what do you plan to house inside the new fence. it's impressive.
Cattle
Darn good welding there.
Why didnt you run the brace to the bottom of the brace post like you did for the steel post?
So I assume the tension is so all the posts take the load of an animal pushing on the fence. My question is being that the posts are so robust, is tension necessary?
Well done stoney Ridge would to have finance to fence in steel grate video here in Ireland keep going
Are the post going to have caps on them
How far down are you going for the 4'' to the 2 3/8 pipe ?
How is it that some guys from Worthington Indiana wound up down at the Stoney Ridge Farm?!?
Interesting to see it going up Josh. Always worked with wood and t posts...but it is interesting to see how this style works. Way overkill for me, but awesome to watch regardless!
At 1:50 they explain the termination process
One quick question, after a certain distance: could you change from the steel post to PT or Creosote wooden port. Like 10 or 20 ft, an what is the difference in cost? For an aesthetics look. WOO!
Sure.....but they won't last as long...and the wire pulls will be shorter...this will be explained in the next video coming out next weekend
I think my friend is for look at the aesthetic more than anything. He purchased 80+ acres to grow feed grass to sell. But my end is to move all the wood off an slick and seed.
That fence will be there for a lifetime are you building a solid outer fence then build your own cross fences I use hot wire for my cross fences just so I can change them every year or so
This is interesting because where I live it’s only wood and they last till they’re ripped out for a development or land clearing, my land still have posts that are over a hundred years old from the original farmer
Josh, I guess this is jumping ahead, but I'm curious to know what type of cross fencing you gonna use? Same setup, hot wire, or a combination? And are you gonna use paddock system? If so, how large of a paddock? I ran paddocks back in the 80's and 90's, and upped my herd by over double. Weight gain was also significantly higher for same time period. Also, I could graze castle much longer into the fall before starting overseeding and feeding hay. I ran traditional fencing, except where I kept my bulls! Regular fence wouldn't even slow them down when they winded the ladies! Love your channel, keep em coming.
how much it costs to build this 9000 feet fence all together with materials & labor?
What breed cattle are you getting?
Oh you're right that fence ain't going anywhere for a long time. For sure heavy duty.
On your metal post are you gonna put a metal cap on them to keep water out to prevent freezing?
It gets cold there for about a week in the winter. A inch of snow and the whole state shuts down.
Great stuff.
The long post spacing may make it hard for livestock to see the fence. I take care of about 75 miles of fence and have seen cows bounce off woven wire because they just don't see it if they are stirred up.
Maybe we'll have to tie some ribbon when we first introduce the cattle
Tornado Titan fixed knot net is really very visible. It is a hefty knot, and really catches your eye instead of disappearing like traditional hinge joint.
You have a lot of work ahead of you. Surely you're going to have help when these guys go home to finish this fence.
Mostly just me...it will be slow going...weeks of post driving
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer josh did you buy a post poundre
Keep buffalo in ? Nope my father inlaw has raised buffalo for over 20 years. Not enough big post and to far apart big bulls hook the bottom with there horns walk backwards snapping the fence or post or both just what i know working with buffalo for over 20 years.
Cool...so no buffalo bhahaha
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer too short, they would go right over. Our local guy with buffalo has like 10 strand high tensile 8 feet tall. The jump low fences easy
@@als8518 Dude I keep buffalo in my yard with piano wire and a tea cup poodle. 🤣
Good Vid!
I built a similar fence it was 7000ft the post i used wer 2-3/8 oil drilling pipe i paid 8.00each for a 12ft post i put them 4ft n the ground with 4- 80lbs bags of quickcrete on each post the fence was 8ft tall it was a ton of work did it all by hand if u ever build anymore fence try and find the oil drilling pipe its real reasonable and real thick
Cool.....not alot of that around here...but I hear down Texas and OK it's very popular
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer yes im in Kansas so its easy to get if u ever do another fence i have the guys number u can get a truck load of that pipe pretty reasonable it comes in 32ft pieces and great channel thank u for sharing
Drill stem will rot the wire in the wetter areas of the country. Works alright in the dry climate, but not so good in the rainforest. 👍
I am currently pricing out drill pipe here in Idaho and the cheapest I can find is $1.69 per foot for 31 foot random lengths, and that is the bulk price of getting over 1000 feet. I guess I am going to have to keep looking.
@@NicholasMcKellip it makes great fence post i priced out 8ft galvanized pipe real thin it was about 17.00 a pc ober 2.00 a ft
Very interesting!!
Do you know what store/website your getting the pipe from.
Great job
U boys have all se y gripple products and tornado great combo ..... Crazy amount work but lifetime job how much per meter or foot does it cost finished
Once we get all the fence built I'll have a better Idea of cost per foot
@@StoneyRidgeFarmer good man be nice too know posts don't rot and looks the business
Stoney Ridge Farmer I estimate €18 per meter all in with labour plus any government tax on top
Hi Brother I love your intro song that is Awesome
This is by far a superior fence and it looks great! But as far as the wood post “test”........that five foot fence should have had an 7-8 inch h brace with 10’ posts driven to 5’. Not saying you guys purposely did it wrong, but “typical” install just goes to show. No one ever reads the manufacture’s install instructions. 😁 good looking fence for sure though!
you showed the difference between H bracing and N bracing right
Great video but never seen so many people to build a fence line. Do 1300ft fence line by myself. Would be nice to have that many helpers but.
Are you caping the post or pouring Crete in the post?
No mam...they'll be find just the way they are