An English National Church - David Starkey
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Recorded for the Fulham Area Clergy Conference at Palazzola, Rocco do Papa, Rome, Italy: April 19th & 20th 2023.
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Full credit to the Bishop of Fulham and the Fulham Area Clergy Conference for doing this. This series of videos has been really interesting. I also enjoyed the occasional cut ins from the Bishop and from Daniel, as well as some of the questions, which served to enhance the discussion.
I'm Gen Z, and also an ethnic minority (Half English, Half Indian) from London, but even though I may not fit in with this crowd, the subject matter really resonates. I think that a greater feeling of both Englishness, and a sense of the nation's long history, as Starkey says, stimulates a mystical transcendent feeling. Maybe in time we will come to view the individualism, parliamentarianism, and moral value of this land once again. I think that England, maybe more than every other European nation, has the potential to wholly integrate its population, and with this push, maybe the national church can be remembered as our spiritual home. Potentially, it could even lean into post-secularism, and a more philosophical stance, of course I'm not saying that parliament (or our laws) should ever depart the secular foundation. Thank you David Starkey for such thought provoking lectures.
How literate and intelligent!
@@TC-cd5fhbit patronising mate
Great comment!
of course you fit in with this crowd
@@anibrown5374 meaning?
I like Starky, but people dont believe because they dont want to. They dont believe it because it has no credilbilty.
That's why we English should get it back... stop being a coward and letting the Woke have our institution, destroying its credibility... its ours... get it back... restore its credibility.
Most Anglicans, even those in the CofE like me, are Orthodox in our beliefs... our current Archbishop of Canterbury,(and many Clergy, unfortunately), is not representative of most Anglicans even in those in the CofE like me... let alone Anglicanism.
@@foundationofBritain So how foes one "get it back"?
Are we to begin the systematic indoctrination of young minds into one specific religion? I say young minds as this stuff fies not work on adults.
I just dont see it.
@@bertrandrussell894Most people are conformists, if they went back to Church it will be because they were led there. Do you think today's kids are naturally woke and tolerant of trans people? Or do you think that's what the elites want them to be and so they've used all the institutions to promote multiculturalism, BLM, transexualism etc? It wasn't that long ago that all my neighbours were stood on their doorsteps banging pots and pans together for the NHS! I'm not attacking them, but the truth is that most people are conformists, their thoughts are not their own!
@@foundationofBritain I agree it is my culture too as an Australian. However I have rejected the church. Christians have gone back to their roots. Some have turned to orthodox churches. But many meet very quietly in private homes to discuss the Bible. This is the way Christianity and later the Protestant faith began. I think we are due a new reformation.
@@grannyannie2948 *"But many meet very quietly in private homes to discuss the Bible. This is the way Christianity and later the Protestant faith began."* -- Christianity certainly flourished from Christian homes and underground but they had no Bibles. The Bible did not appear until the 4th century. Four centuries of expanding Christianity without Bibles. Jesus never gave instructions for Bibles to be written and only three of the Apostles writings contributed to the compiled Bible.
When I see a video from Dr. Starkey, I hit Like, then watch afterward, I know I’m going to enjoy it very much and learn something, too. Reading, studying and learning have been some of my greatest lifelong pleasures, especially of history, and no ones teaches better than Dr. Starkey.🙂
His written work on slavery is a marvel
I usually click like too. I disagree with David Starkey on matters of the Bible and law (especially on the issue of slavery - I do not think God endorses antebellum slavery), but I am always interested in what Starkey has to say on matters of political history.
I never get tired of listening to Dr.Starkey, an absolute fanstic oriator. I learn something everytime I watch him. Just wonderful.
@@bluebellflora2510and don’t forget Dr Kat!
My vicar is about to remove all the pews from my local church. The Tower is 1480 perpendicular gothic, and a small doorway is possibly preconquest.
I do not agree with removing the pews from this lovely ancient church
What is the vicar replacing them with? How much is it going to cost the church? Has the vicar consulted with the congregation?
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With chairs, apparently . Yes, many of the congregation wish this.
A brilliant, enthralling display of erudition and wit without parallel in England.
The title of the video sounded so boring till my eyes rolled over the last two words - David Starkey.
Instant click.
Wow! What a marvelous surprise to be able to hear this amazing man teach us educate us share his incredible intellectual abilities and vast knowledge with us NOT at us!
good to see the meeting included prayers which is unusual in this godless age
Honouring the FSMonster and allowing the audio technician to do level checks without missing significant comments was an answer to prayer.
Love this channel love history 💫
Dear Dr Starkey, I worship your tutelage. Thank you, Page Janik
The downfall of the CofE is really quite a tragedy
Due to its support for Usury.
Magnificent!
So glad I stayed for the Q&A. Musical discussion- I’m hearing it in my head. Glorious. “English Shinto” worshipping itself. Brilliant
I have mixed views about DS and think he can miss his way when pronouncing on modern events. However, when navigating the route through medieval and Tudor England, and giving historical insight into why we (the English) have arrived where we are, with our monarchy and parliament, he is peerless. Carve some time out of your day and listen to this from start to finish.
A parliament of birds? sounds like twitter :)
Or owls.
@@VaughanMcCue Ironically owls are some of the stupidest birds for their size. Corvids and parrots are much smarter
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I believe it is the collective noun.
19 Corvids certainly wreaked havoc, even though they are good at warning their buddies on the road verge.
I have often heard them calling "car" when one approaches. Of course, we know the victim's last words when hit by a truck. I think it is bad luck or something like that.
Dave, do me a favour please, tell em I didn’t die in the Tower and I should have been crowned King back in the day. I was proper wronged imo, I told anyone who would listen but did they believe me? No they didn’t. Perkin Warbeck people! Remember my name 👑
Young dude sitting next to Starkey looks like Tintin 🤣
EXODUS 21:16 (ESV) Whoever steals a man and sells him, and anyone found in possession of him, shall be put to death.
EXODUS 22:1-4 (ESV) If a man steals an ox or a sheep, and kills it or sells it, he shall repay five oxen for an ox, and four sheep for a sheep. If a thief is found breaking in and is struck so that he dies, there shall be no bloodguilt for him, but if the sun has risen on him, there shall be bloodguilt for him. He shall surely pay. If he has nothing, then he shall be sold for his theft. If the stolen beast is found alive in his possession, whether it is an ox or a donkey or a sheep, he shall pay double.
LUKE 19:1-10 (ESV) He entered Jericho and was passing through. And behold, there was a man named Zacchaeus. He was a chief tax collector and was rich. And he was seeking to see who Jesus was, but on account of the crowd he could not, because he was small in stature. So he ran on ahead and climbed up into a sycamore tree to see him, for he was about to pass that way. And when Jesus came to the place, he looked up and said to him, “Zacchaeus, hurry and come down, for I must stay at your house today.” So he hurried and came down and received him joyfully. And when they saw it, they all grumbled, “He has gone in to be the guest of a man who is a sinner.” And Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, “Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor. And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold.” And Jesus said to him, “Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”
Many other readings from the Bible can also be used for a truthful discussion about the Word of God and slavery. However, God is a little more precise than 'all slavery is wrong'.
He is great, but I think he is wrong about Paul and slavery. He is telling Philemon to treat Onesimus as a dear brother. All slave uprisings ended in defeat and massacre in the ancient world. He didn’t waste his time calling for futile rebellion. He wanted the Gospel message to change attitudes.
The NT also specially condemns slave trading.
Should have told the African Chieftains who started their slave trade off!😊
Thankyou once again for the privilege of hearing Dr Starkey speak; this time on a subject very close to my heart. This question, "Does the State have moral authority?", has made me think *hard* . Although I disagree with Dr Starkey about many things and have different political views, this question exemplifies why I value his keen analytical insights. No matter how much I may disagree, he *always* makes me think hard about *why* I may disagree. And sometimes I may indeed change my position! This helps me grow as a person. Hence: *Thankyou*!
AAAHHH!! and Dr Starkey sailed STRAIGHT INTO IT
he opposed the notion of the national church with the INTERNATIONAL CHURCH
this is totally a false dichotomy; and i surmise that the idea of an independent LOCAL church never entered his thinking
but how could it. He is a declared ATHEIST
The clergy of Fulham must now be much better paid than 60 years ago when an assistant curate in London received £10 per week, minus stoppages. Conferences in Italian palaces would then have been well beyond their means.
Don't 'fit in'? Methinks you do. Nothing to do with ethnicity or generation, or any other category. More to do values, culture etc.
With reference to the republican tradition in northern Italy - I think Dr Starkey meant the quaint republic of San Marino not that of Rimini - the mistake is understandable as the resort city of Rimini is nearby!
Just looking at you I can see you`d have been a great addition to the allies storming the beach at Normandy.
As far as I could tell, in his coronation, Charles III didn’t take any vow to reign according to the consent, will or laws of the people/comonwealth, as expressed through Parliament. Shame on him! I had hoped for better, much better.
Well, he did... its not as clear as it ought to be... but he did... he has to or he's not King... he also did it at his accession last year. Whether he keeps his oaths is another thing... and whether those in Parliament hold him to this with the real actual potential of real actual legal Parliamentary deposition... the last time that happen... was in 1936... with the so called 'abdication' of Edward VIII... as he had no intention to give up ether our Crown or Wallis Simpson... that wasn't the sole cause of his forced abdication(deposition)but it became chef of many... and the straw that broke the camels back. We had the good sense to not Crown him... but... we had sensible people in Parliament then, we had Statesmen back then.
Charles had already agreed (in an earlier ceremony)to reign with the consent of the people and laws of the land.
And yet the late Queen took an oath to defend her faith, whilst Mohammed became the most popular boys name in England in her reign.
Muslims have bigger families. If white Brits choose not to have families or small ones, it wasnt the Queen's fault
@@vanpallandt5799 I'm not British but the same thing happens in my country. Governments import large numbers of people, which artificially inflates the cost of housing and decreases wages, making it difficult for families to form and have children. The government then uses falling birthrates to continue the Ponzi scheme. In my country census shows half the people voting are recent immigrants, so the people are disenfranchised. The Queen, our queen as well, could've spoken against irresponsible levels of immigration.
How about an Orthodox Church of England?
Most Anglicans, even those in the CofE like me, are Orthodox in our beliefs... our current Archbishop of Canterbury,(and many Clergy, unfortunately), is not representative of most Anglicans even in those in the CofE like me... let alone Anglicanism.
The Orthodox Church.. is not English Faith... which is what Anglicanism means.
As a Taffy Christian its not really about a state church..as Wales showed. The last big revival was in Wales
The Orthodox Church is THE church.
Awesome video
Excellent video!
I was just wondering whether any Anglicans are Orthodox in their beliefs. Could any commenter enlighten me?
I'm Australian. The local Anglican Church has banned the King James Bible because it offends the LGBT community. As I see it we need a new reformation. True Christians meet quietly in private homes.
David Starkey is gay though, isnt he? Is he advocating for an orthodox English church that as an atheist he wouldnt attend and that as a gay man (if active), he couldnt join?
Meeting in private homes is an option but not the only one. How do people get into a meeting in a private home. Part of the role of churches is to be open spaces where people can come in without invitation. Also the gap between a dozen ppl in a house and a the need for a venue for larger numbers is clear. Plus its clear in the NT that when they talked about Deacons and Elders and preaching that they were talking about a structure already at that point and not in effect just a bible study..very important though those are.
@@vanpallandt5799 I don't know about what the NT meant by "churches" I don't take in literally as Christians were being fed to lions and wolves, and Nero was using them as candles. I always thought Christians of that time met in secret, often literally underground in tombs.
Another precedent for meeting in homes was early Protestants. As I said I believe the church needs reformation. They have tried politics, inclusion, and trying to be "cool." And they are bleeding followers. They need to be pruned back to faith and the worship of Christ, not global warming, not transgender rights, and not preaching Labor talking points from the pulpit.
Orthodox with a small o in what manner please? There are various btw
Finland has 2 established Churches
What are they ? In Australia, due to the large number of Irish convicts and settlers, almost from the beginning there has been Roman Catholic and Anglican churches.
And what about the atheists (such as me)?
You have our pity.
Anglicanism slightly better than Romanism, but not by much
Orthodoxy is the best. The oldest Church that even remembers its Hebraic roots.
@@70AD-user45 Most Anglicans, even those in the CofE like me, are Orthodox in our beliefs... our current Archbishop of Canterbury,(and many Clergy, unfortunately), is not representative of most Anglicans even in those in the CofE like me... let alone Anglicanism.
Anglicanism is by far better... than Romanism... most Anglicans, even those in the CofE like me, are Orthodox in our beliefs... our current Archbishop of Canterbury,(and many Clergy, unfortunately), is not representative of most Anglicans even in those in the CofE like me... let alone Anglicanism.
In my Australian country town you can choose between a woke Anglican Church where the King James Bible is banned. Or the Roman Catholic church where the priest doesn't speak English. Or the American preacher at the Baptist church. We need another reformation.
@@grannyannie2948 Amen. In England churches of reformed faith have no reformed ministers, and reformed people have abandoned them. So many churches turned into businesses.
Woke now. Not Christian anymore.
That's why we English should get it back... stop being a coward and letting the Woke have our institution... its ours... get it back.
Most Anglicans, even those in the CofE like me, are Orthodox in our beliefs... our current Archbishop of Canterbury,(and many Clergy, unfortunately), is not representative of most Anglicans even in those in the CofE like me... let alone Anglicanism.
@@foundationofBritainthe christian religion is falling apart because the internet helped christians discover the their core beliefs are not in the bible. The virgin birth, the trinity, the crucifixion, the bodily resurrection. These doctrines came from the Catholic church and have been passed on to all religions that came out of catholicism. People have started actually reading the WHOLE bible for themselves and found they have been deceived. Just like they were warned would happen. Worshipping a man as God Almighty is an abomination. Deut 13, Isaiah 43:11, Hosea 13:4, 1st commandment.
This country will be finished without Christianity as a bedrock.'Wokeism' is a trend that will in time be exposed and rubbished .Its all so very easy to trash what has taken hundreds of years to build and to appear to be oh so 'enlightened'.This thin veneer will collapes when exposed for the fake it is
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If you say that again, you'd be repeating yourself and clever that a wishful old fossil can discover how to cut 'n' paste. At least it isn't all caps like many of the ancient ones seem to do.
In Australia my local Anglican church bans the King James Bible as it offends the LGBT community. I don't attend for that reason. Yes it's the church of woke.