There was 6 brothers in the family. They don't show the youngest, Chris ,who committed suicide. Did you notice after the funeral when the mom was watching a match on tv David's spirit was sitting on the stairs? Mike did go back to wrestling for a short time after he came out of his coma. Their dad was their curse. Kevin and Pam are still happily married with their family. Their sons are wrestlers trained by their dad, Kevin. Kevin saw the movie and liked it and liked how Zac Efron plays him and the other actors in their roles.
Long comment alert: With a lot of films that are based on true events there are a lot of inaccuracies, omitted facts and the story is often condensed for time. Here are a few things I noticed that aren't accurate or just not shown in the movie other than the youngest brother Chris not being in it all: 1) Fritz like Kerry was also a champion discus thrower and almost went to the Olympics himself. According to Kevin had Fritz been able to go and matched his best recorded throw he would've won gold. The reason he wasn't able to go was that he couldn't pay for the trip himself and the AAU wouldn't cover his expenses because Fritz had gotten married. Fritz also once held the Texas High School discus throwing record. He held it for many years, and it was his son Kerry who broke it. 2) David was actually the first brother to begin pro-wrestling full time. Kevin did start first, but he only did it part time while he was in college, initially. Kevin was on a football scholarship so would only wrestle during the offseason, and it was his dream to make the NFL. Kevin got a knee injury that ended his ability to play football and then he turned to pro-wrestling full time. 3) David was married to his second wife at the time of his death. His first marriage had ended when their first child a daughter died from SIDS 13-weeks after being born. 4) There was no waiting your turn for world championship matches. All the brothers had a shot at one time or another. In fact, it was interference from the Freebirds during a world title match for Kerry that kicked off the Von Erich vs. Freebird rivalry shown in the movie. 5) Mike had begun wrestling before David's death, and according to Kevin he was a much better athlete than he gets credit for, but just wasn't as skilled as the other brothers in the ring. 6) Kerry's accident where he lost his foot happened a couple of years after he won the world title from Ric Flair. He only held the title for 18 days before losing it back to Flair. The NWA didn't trust Kerry with the belt as he had missed some shows, he was supposed to wrestle on due to his substance abuse issues. He was only given the title as a favor to Fritz and the family after David had died. The mother was also at the show to see Kerry win the title and not at home watching it on TV. She celebrated with Kerry on the show after the match. 7) Kevin "losing his cool" and attacking Ric Flair during their world title match happened a couple of years after David's death and it was planned finish of the match. He was scripted to get disqualified, he didn't just go crazy in the ring. 8) Fritz and a business partner were the ones that sold their wrestling promotion to Jerry Jarrett. Kevin and Kerry who owned a minority stock in the company were against it, and I believe Kevin even tried to sue to stop the sale. 9) Kevin and his wife had two daughters before they had their two sons. 10) One of Kerry's daughters became a pro-wrestler as well and was known as Lacey Von Erich. She retired after only a few years, and Kevin's two boys are currently in pro-wrestlers, and they also use the Von Erich name. 11) The two wrestlers being depicted wrestling Kevin and David in David's debut match were wrestlers named Bruiser Brody and Gino Hernandez. They too would die tragically at a young age. Gino would die at the age of 28 to a drug overdose. Brody was stabbed to death by a fellow wrestler in the locker room shower during a show while working in Puerto Rico for a different wrestling promotion at the age of 42 over a business dispute.
WOW! Thanks for the info! (and yes I did read it all haha) I did know about Kerry and the IC title. I did know about Brody being murdered. I did NOT know everything else. I think my heart broke again for the family after reading that David's baby died from SIDS. Thank you so much for your viewership and your participation here. I genuinely appreciate the knowledge. - Javi
@@LOTReviews The WWE covered a lot in a documentary about the WCCW promotion and family that is on the Peacock streaming service. The Triumph and Tragedy of WCCW. And the TV channel Vice has a long running series called "The Dark Side of the Ring" that talks more about the family. It used to be on RUclips but I couldn't find a link to it. I highly recommend both if you're able to get the chance to watch them.
There’s a 6th brother / wrestler that kills himself. Left out of the movie because it was too much to fit into 2 hours . Its even more tragic than we know.
After seeing the movie for the first time Kevin said that one of the things that he didn't like about the movie was the depiction of his father Fritz. He understood that the movie had to have some sort of antagonist in it for the story, but Kevin does not blame his father for the deaths of his brothers. He blames it on the illnesses, the accidents and most importantly the substance abuse/drug addictions more than anything in the deaths of the brothers who took their own lives. Kevin to this day calls his dad "a decent and honorable man." Kerry's eldest daughter also called her grandfather "a very loving man."
wow. Thank you for posting this. I didn't really dive in after we watched it, so unfortunately, the depiction of Fritz from the movie is what I had. But I'm glad to know that the movies did take some liberties in the sense that he wasn't a terrible person.
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
25:00 The movie doesn't really go into this; but this was when Fritz brought kayfabe Cousin Lance Von Erich into the act. He had bad ring chemistry with Kevin, and was angrily rejected by the fans.
I interpreted the afterlife scene as what Kevin imagines his brothers doing after they passed on. And what he imagines isn't them in the ring wrestling but just them at the most calm and peaceful moments. It's a sweet thought that always gets me emotional.
I totally get that. I thing we see David with the belt and Michael with the guitar because that's what they would look like if they were allowed to rest. David can rest now that he was champ, and Mike can rest playing his music. Thank you so much for watching!
Totally valid. I mentioned it in another comment, that I think we forget that it's not a live video and we don't have to fill the dead space haha. We're going to try to keep it under control in future vids. Just give us like a 1-2 video grace period after this one hahaha. But thank you so much for at least clicking on the video.
Whew I'm glad I am not the only one who felt this way. I made it about 2 minutes after the reaction began before I had to turn it off. I get that it's a reaction channel and there will be conversations, but damn... you're missing key dialogue and moments because you're looking at each other carrying on a conversation. I know this video is a month old now and you seem to recognize this is an issue. So I'll check out a more recent video soon. I hope there is a better balance of reaction and chatting lol.
The Cow Palace! FUCK YES. I watched The Sandman vs Great Muta as a main event there and it’s one of my favorite memories. Go see local wrestling shows and support the industry 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾Bay Area forever
One of my favorite films of 2023, I enjoyed your reaction, dont give up in this channel, I can see this channel easily blowing up its just a matter of frequent uploads lol two uploads a week seem like a good base, yall have great thoughts and commentary on the film, keep it up 🙏
Honestly, man. Thank you so much. I really needed to hear this. We try to pump out as much content as possible, but you know, full time jobs and what not. But we're going to try to get more done. Again, thank you so much.
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
Honnest feedback you talked too much at the wrong times. Additionally, you never got into the story fully is how it felt the empathy you showed seems like a performance
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your feedback. We know we kind of talk a lot at times. I think we forget were not live, and we don't have to constantly fill dead spots. It;s something we've been working on and hope we do better in our newer reviews I'm trying to get edited. Seriously, thank you so much for your feedback and for watching.
Thank you so much! Zac definitely went up a few levels with this role. Just saw on Vanity Fair that he was told not to cry until the last scene with his kids. I don't know how he was able to hold it in the whole time. So many scenes got to me.
Fun Fact: MJF played a character in the movie who went by the name Lance Von Erich, who was supposedly a long lost cousin of the Von Erichs but the fans didnt believe he was related to them. I put this on my top 5 favorite movies. "i used to be a brother, and now im not a brother anymore." Major throat punch. There was actually 6 brothers (Jack, Kevin, David, Kerry, Mike and Chris). When Kerry killed himself was actually looking at prison time. His daughter was also a wrestler, i think she retired.
I knew I saw MJF in the movie real quick. I had heard he was supposed to be in it a bit longer but a lot of his screen time ended up on the floor. I remember that there was another brother, Chris, who took his own life too. Honestly, that line killed me. Also, when Kevin said, he just wanted to be with his brothers when he was taking with Pam. Made me want to call up my brothers lol. Thank you so much for watching!
You are most welcome @@LOTReviews alot of people were were upset that Chris wasn't included. I'm surprised I actually put this in my top 5 favorite movies of all time.
@@LOTReviews Computer Parts and the occasional Flea Market, too. Since Levi Stadium opened that whole area is an extension of the landfill that's there.
Think about it like this, you pick out a movie to watch with a friend that you really want them to see, then that friend talks the whole time! You end up disappointmented like we did watching this. I'm sorry, I really wanted to like it😬
I hear ya. I’ve responded to a few comments like this. We’re still figuring stuff out. We forget sometimes that we’re recording and not live and don’t have to fill the dead space haha. But I appreciate you giving us a shot. Maybe stop by down the road when we’ve dialed it in a bit more.
Sorry? Randy Orton does the RKO better than DDP did the Diamond Cutter. LOL. Both of them make it look pretty and believable. But Ya? Diamond Cutter is better because he hit that on the entire NWO one after the other. That was cool.
ugh man its so difficult to say who did it better. Both can do it from out of nowhere! Remember when DDP did it on The Giant when he tried to chokeslam him off the top rope? BUT that Orton RKO on Seth at WM 31 (which I was there for!) was unbelievable. It's just a fantastic move.
Have you seen...Shawshank Redemption...Green Mile...the 5 part Hbo Max series Chernobyl... All heartbreakers....and Schindlers List... I can send a list of stupid comedies to relieve the heartache.....anything Mel Brooks.
LOVE Shawshank and Green Mile. We haven't seen Chernobyl. Schindlers List is one of the best/saddest movies of all time. Such a masterpiece. Mel Brooks is a genius. Robin Hood Men In Tights was constantly on my tv growing up. Still makes me crack up lol
Hated the way this movie was made. it wasn't the content of the story it was the sensory deprivation in the sharp colour tone and boringly dragging way it was done. I cant articulate it, it just made my brain really uncomfortable. Not autistic, not sensitive to emotional stories. Can someone explain it if they felt this? In short i can only explain the texture and delivery had something in it that felt it was made that way to just inflict discomfort of the brain!
I kind of get what you're saying. This is Javi, and I honestly hate the way Wes Anderson makes movies for what I think is the same reason. The color grading and kind of artsy feel. I know he's loved, but just not for me. I'm not 100% sure its what you were talking about though haha
There was 6 brothers in the family. They don't show the youngest, Chris ,who committed suicide. Did you notice after the funeral when the mom was watching a match on tv David's spirit was sitting on the stairs? Mike did go back to wrestling for a short time after he came out of his coma. Their dad was their curse. Kevin and Pam are still happily married with their family. Their sons are wrestlers trained by their dad, Kevin. Kevin saw the movie and liked it and liked how Zac Efron plays him and the other actors in their roles.
I didn’t notice the spirit! Is that for real? I have to go back and check it out.
Long comment alert:
With a lot of films that are based on true events there are a lot of inaccuracies, omitted facts and the story is often condensed for time. Here are a few things I noticed that aren't accurate or just not shown in the movie other than the youngest brother Chris not being in it all:
1) Fritz like Kerry was also a champion discus thrower and almost went to the Olympics himself. According to Kevin had Fritz been able to go and matched his best recorded throw he would've won gold. The reason he wasn't able to go was that he couldn't pay for the trip himself and the AAU wouldn't cover his expenses because Fritz had gotten married. Fritz also once held the Texas High School discus throwing record. He held it for many years, and it was his son Kerry who broke it.
2) David was actually the first brother to begin pro-wrestling full time. Kevin did start first, but he only did it part time while he was in college, initially. Kevin was on a football scholarship so would only wrestle during the offseason, and it was his dream to make the NFL. Kevin got a knee injury that ended his ability to play football and then he turned to pro-wrestling full time.
3) David was married to his second wife at the time of his death. His first marriage had ended when their first child a daughter died from SIDS 13-weeks after being born.
4) There was no waiting your turn for world championship matches. All the brothers had a shot at one time or another. In fact, it was interference from the Freebirds during a world title match for Kerry that kicked off the Von Erich vs. Freebird rivalry shown in the movie.
5) Mike had begun wrestling before David's death, and according to Kevin he was a much better athlete than he gets credit for, but just wasn't as skilled as the other brothers in the ring.
6) Kerry's accident where he lost his foot happened a couple of years after he won the world title from Ric Flair. He only held the title for 18 days before losing it back to Flair. The NWA didn't trust Kerry with the belt as he had missed some shows, he was supposed to wrestle on due to his substance abuse issues. He was only given the title as a favor to Fritz and the family after David had died. The mother was also at the show to see Kerry win the title and not at home watching it on TV. She celebrated with Kerry on the show after the match.
7) Kevin "losing his cool" and attacking Ric Flair during their world title match happened a couple of years after David's death and it was planned finish of the match. He was scripted to get disqualified, he didn't just go crazy in the ring.
8) Fritz and a business partner were the ones that sold their wrestling promotion to Jerry Jarrett. Kevin and Kerry who owned a minority stock in the company were against it, and I believe Kevin even tried to sue to stop the sale.
9) Kevin and his wife had two daughters before they had their two sons.
10) One of Kerry's daughters became a pro-wrestler as well and was known as Lacey Von Erich. She retired after only a few years, and Kevin's two boys are currently in pro-wrestlers, and they also use the Von Erich name.
11) The two wrestlers being depicted wrestling Kevin and David in David's debut match were wrestlers named Bruiser Brody and Gino Hernandez. They too would die tragically at a young age. Gino would die at the age of 28 to a drug overdose. Brody was stabbed to death by a fellow wrestler in the locker room shower during a show while working in Puerto Rico for a different wrestling promotion at the age of 42 over a business dispute.
WOW! Thanks for the info! (and yes I did read it all haha) I did know about Kerry and the IC title. I did know about Brody being murdered. I did NOT know everything else. I think my heart broke again for the family after reading that David's baby died from SIDS. Thank you so much for your viewership and your participation here. I genuinely appreciate the knowledge. - Javi
@@LOTReviews The WWE covered a lot in a documentary about the WCCW promotion and family that is on the Peacock streaming service. The Triumph and Tragedy of WCCW. And the TV channel Vice has a long running series called "The Dark Side of the Ring" that talks more about the family. It used to be on RUclips but I couldn't find a link to it. I highly recommend both if you're able to get the chance to watch them.
There’s a 6th brother / wrestler that kills himself. Left out of the movie because it was too much to fit into 2 hours . Its even more tragic than we know.
So damn TRAGIC. Easy to see how they felt cursed.
After seeing the movie for the first time Kevin said that one of the things that he didn't like about the movie was the depiction of his father Fritz. He understood that the movie had to have some sort of antagonist in it for the story, but Kevin does not blame his father for the deaths of his brothers. He blames it on the illnesses, the accidents and most importantly the substance abuse/drug addictions more than anything in the deaths of the brothers who took their own lives. Kevin to this day calls his dad "a decent and honorable man." Kerry's eldest daughter also called her grandfather "a very loving man."
wow. Thank you for posting this. I didn't really dive in after we watched it, so unfortunately, the depiction of Fritz from the movie is what I had. But I'm glad to know that the movies did take some liberties in the sense that he wasn't a terrible person.
They originally were able to save Kerry's foot but when he was still in the hospital he tried to walk on it and crushed it and they had to remove it
That sucks so bad. This family's story was so sad.
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
Check out the documentary that Vice did on this.
I don’t know if I’m strong enough 😢
25:00 The movie doesn't really go into this; but this was when Fritz brought kayfabe Cousin Lance Von Erich into the act.
He had bad ring chemistry with Kevin, and was angrily rejected by the fans.
Right. I thought I remember reading that more of his scenes ended up on the cutting room floor.
I interpreted the afterlife scene as what Kevin imagines his brothers doing after they passed on. And what he imagines isn't them in the ring wrestling but just them at the most calm and peaceful moments. It's a sweet thought that always gets me emotional.
I totally get that. I thing we see David with the belt and Michael with the guitar because that's what they would look like if they were allowed to rest. David can rest now that he was champ, and Mike can rest playing his music. Thank you so much for watching!
the constant full blown conversations having nothing to do with the movie ruined this video. hard pass
I bounced after a minute lol
Totally valid. I mentioned it in another comment, that I think we forget that it's not a live video and we don't have to fill the dead space haha. We're going to try to keep it under control in future vids. Just give us like a 1-2 video grace period after this one hahaha. But thank you so much for at least clicking on the video.
IM SORRY!! haha but thanks for stopping by.
Whew I'm glad I am not the only one who felt this way. I made it about 2 minutes after the reaction began before I had to turn it off. I get that it's a reaction channel and there will be conversations, but damn... you're missing key dialogue and moments because you're looking at each other carrying on a conversation.
I know this video is a month old now and you seem to recognize this is an issue. So I'll check out a more recent video soon. I hope there is a better balance of reaction and chatting lol.
Exactly. These 2 Yentas droned on wayyyyyyyy too much, about other nonsense
The Cow Palace! FUCK YES. I watched The Sandman vs Great Muta as a main event there and it’s one of my favorite memories. Go see local wrestling shows and support the industry 🤘🏾🤘🏾🤘🏾Bay Area forever
That match must have been epic! Yes! go support local wrestling. BAY AREEEAAAA! Thanks for watching!
@@LOTReviews to quote e40 “uhhh” hella yea 😂
One of my favorite films of 2023, I enjoyed your reaction, dont give up in this channel, I can see this channel easily blowing up its just a matter of frequent uploads lol two uploads a week seem like a good base, yall have great thoughts and commentary on the film, keep it up 🙏
Honestly, man. Thank you so much. I really needed to hear this. We try to pump out as much content as possible, but you know, full time jobs and what not. But we're going to try to get more done. Again, thank you so much.
@@LOTReviews absolutely 🙏 looking forward to more reactions!
The Iron Claw takes place during the era of World Class Championship Wrestling. This was the territory of Fritz Von Erich and his sons. This was the era of Harley Race, Ric Flair, The Great Kabuki, Bruiser Brody, Kamala, The Missing Link and The Fabulous Freebirds. Rest in Peace Texas Tornado.
Actually 1 death left out to much pain for a family 😭 my idols growing up in dallas❤
I know, their whole story is so damn sad. Thank you for watching!
Honnest feedback you talked too much at the wrong times. Additionally, you never got into the story fully is how it felt the empathy you showed seems like a performance
THANK YOU SO MUCH for your feedback. We know we kind of talk a lot at times. I think we forget were not live, and we don't have to constantly fill dead spots. It;s something we've been working on and hope we do better in our newer reviews I'm trying to get edited. Seriously, thank you so much for your feedback and for watching.
This was a really good movie.Zac Efron can flat out act. Loved the reaction. Just suscribed. Keep up the good work!😊👍🏽
Thank you so much! Zac definitely went up a few levels with this role. Just saw on Vanity Fair that he was told not to cry until the last scene with his kids. I don't know how he was able to hold it in the whole time. So many scenes got to me.
You can always count on reactors like these to chatter through each and all emotional beats.
fair.
Fun Fact: MJF played a character in the movie who went by the name Lance Von Erich, who was supposedly a long lost cousin of the Von Erichs but the fans didnt believe he was related to them.
I put this on my top 5 favorite movies. "i used to be a brother, and now im not a brother anymore." Major throat punch. There was actually 6 brothers (Jack, Kevin, David, Kerry, Mike and Chris). When Kerry killed himself was actually looking at prison time. His daughter was also a wrestler, i think she retired.
I knew I saw MJF in the movie real quick. I had heard he was supposed to be in it a bit longer but a lot of his screen time ended up on the floor. I remember that there was another brother, Chris, who took his own life too. Honestly, that line killed me. Also, when Kevin said, he just wanted to be with his brothers when he was taking with Pam. Made me want to call up my brothers lol. Thank you so much for watching!
You are most welcome @@LOTReviews alot of people were were upset that Chris wasn't included. I'm surprised I actually put this in my top 5 favorite movies of all time.
It was way worse in real life. The movie kind of toned it down
isn't that crazy?! Such a sad story.
@@LOTReviews The director toned it down some because he didn't want it to be too depressing
17:17 Highlander won the Academy award for best movie ever made.
HAHAHAHA! "By the way, Ricky, I watched the Highlander movie. It was shit!"
@@LOTReviews 🤣🤣🤣
34:13 "Yeah, me too. Damn Sinclair allergies!"
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA "stupid Sinclair, DDP allergies!"
@@LOTReviews LOL I figured you'd get that one, since you referenced Jimmy King in your react.
It's sad now. "The Cow Palace" is now a trash heap. I live a couple miles away from it.
It's so sad man! I remember going there for a ton of stuff growing up. Glad to see I have a fellow Bay Area native watching!
@@LOTReviews Computer Parts and the occasional Flea Market, too. Since Levi Stadium opened that whole area is an extension of the landfill that's there.
Think about it like this, you pick out a movie to watch with a friend that you really want them to see, then that friend talks the whole time! You end up disappointmented like we did watching this. I'm sorry, I really wanted to like it😬
I hear ya. I’ve responded to a few comments like this. We’re still figuring stuff out. We forget sometimes that we’re recording and not live and don’t have to fill the dead space haha. But I appreciate you giving us a shot. Maybe stop by down the road when we’ve dialed it in a bit more.
There was another brother, chris von erich who also killed himself. He was cut out the movie 😢
Yeah, I heard the director cut him out because it was more of the same tragedy. So damn sad. Thank you for the support!
So glad there’s another person out there that appreciates the Diamond Cutter!
DUDE! YES! Don't get me wrong, love Randy Orton, but it will ALWAYS be the Diamond Cutter. BANG!
Sorry? Randy Orton does the RKO better than DDP did the Diamond Cutter. LOL. Both of them make it look pretty and believable. But Ya? Diamond Cutter is better because he hit that on the entire NWO one after the other. That was cool.
ugh man its so difficult to say who did it better. Both can do it from out of nowhere! Remember when DDP did it on The Giant when he tried to chokeslam him off the top rope? BUT that Orton RKO on Seth at WM 31 (which I was there for!) was unbelievable. It's just a fantastic move.
@@LOTReviews Ya, both from outta nowhere! That is what makes it cool.
stop babbling
Totally valid. Trying to get that under control. Thank you so much for watching though. Really appreciate it!
I enjoyed your reaction...
I subbed...#351
Have you seen...Shawshank Redemption...Green Mile...the 5 part Hbo Max series Chernobyl...
All heartbreakers....and Schindlers List...
I can send a list of stupid comedies to relieve the heartache.....anything Mel Brooks.
LOVE Shawshank and Green Mile. We haven't seen Chernobyl. Schindlers List is one of the best/saddest movies of all time. Such a masterpiece. Mel Brooks is a genius. Robin Hood Men In Tights was constantly on my tv growing up. Still makes me crack up lol
Hated the way this movie was made. it wasn't the content of the story it was the sensory deprivation in the sharp colour tone and boringly dragging way it was done. I cant articulate it, it just made my brain really uncomfortable. Not autistic, not sensitive to emotional stories. Can someone explain it if they felt this? In short i can only explain the texture and delivery had something in it that felt it was made that way to just inflict discomfort of the brain!
I kind of get what you're saying. This is Javi, and I honestly hate the way Wes Anderson makes movies for what I think is the same reason. The color grading and kind of artsy feel. I know he's loved, but just not for me. I'm not 100% sure its what you were talking about though haha
@@LOTReviews no it's hard to explain but think you got it perfectly!
Cheers that made sense 🙏 just wrote with venting annoyance at it!