What a beast of a machine! I hope it comes across on camera just how big this thing is. I'm trying to come up with a good name. Typically my machines get female names, but I'm not sure yet on this one. Consider this: It's old but not dead yet. It doesn't work as well as it used to, but it still works. It leaks a lot, dripping all over the place. It definitely needs work on the plumbing, but when I get it fixed up and back in action, it will be an absolute thrill to use. You thinking what I'm thinking? Have an awesome weekend folks!
Hey john, you need to invest in some plastic kiddie pools, they are my go to oil catch cans when I’m out on the field. They cover so much square ft. It’s almost hard to make a mess.
If it is Deutz air cooled engine, then you will have a good time with it. Parts are very cheap and readily available at least in Europe. Each cylinder is separate so any damage to one won't affect the rest. I have rebuilt and fixed many of the same type engines. It doesn't matter if it's a 3 or 6 cylinder they all work the same. Deutz engines are usually pretty well tuned so I am not too sure if it is suppose to smoke that much. Check the turbo. BFL6 913 engine is 6.1 liters and on tractors it has 115 horse power naturally aspirated and it doesn't smoke even when worked hard. Turbo version has 137 horse power and it smokes just a little. You got 176 horse power so you should definitely see some smoke, but that seems a lot still. EDIT: Also you need to pressure wash the cooling fins every now and then. Take off the cover from the pump side (air tunnel) and clean it well. The exhaust manifold has a temperature regulator which feeds engine oil to the cooling fan (belt driven) and regulates it's speed. The regulator has one screw which has a copper washer under it. This washer determines how cool it keeps the engine. So if you ever run into a problem where the engine is overheating then putting a thinner washer will ramp up the fan. You know your engine is overheating once you start to smell it. 180 degrees is the max temp for the engine and the sensor(s) are on the cylinders under the air tunnel. Make sure the oil cooler is not clogged. This engine cools it's pistons with both air and engine oil. You will ruin the oil if engine runs too hot. Oil can transfer so much heat that Deutz used it to heatup the cabin on tractors just like water radiator types. Of course it was not as effective so they had an extra diesel heater, but our Deutz can still be warm even at -18*C with just engine oil. If you don't overheat it it will run forever.
All those are good to do to it allot. Also injector cleaner would be worth hit when you get ready to run it again. Lucas worked good on the one in the yard by us.
@@richardnott9587 Additives like Marvel Mystery oil are all good on your engine has sat for a long time. 2 stroke oil is also good for heavily worked fuel systems, especially for those which run hot.
75 years old, and I've been around equipment for a long time. We don't really mind if you suffer with your new machine, but just cannot stand to see a dog suffer! Good for you for getting him treated!
Mr.75 year old machine guy. Do you remember the Dynahoe line of equipment from Bucyrus Erie 😊 I own a 1978 Dynahoe190 it's my baby along with my 1971 SeaGrave FD Engine. Both have Detroit Diesel screamers. I ran a Dynahoe in 1979 and fell in love with Stout of those backhoes. I have always run the CASE 580 series but I had to have a Dynahoe as my retirement TOY.
You might consider putting one of the small camper roof top A/C units on it. They are usually self contained units so all you need to do is cut a hole in the roof, drop it in & wire it.
Definitely need to do the glass, then. I notice his only mention of the glass was to say "looks great!" It's all flat glass, so actually probably pretty reasonable. For heavy equipment values of reasonable.
Oh man! I’m a retired heavy equipment mechanic with 40 years of field experience. I know that you will get there in the end but watching you work on removing the bucket cylinder is making me cringe. My wife is getting tired of me yelling at the tv. I do admire your determination.
After watching John repair his heavy equipment I have a total respect of his abilities and all those mechanics, including yourself that work these massive constructive vehicles. No clamor here.😊 Did those seals naturally wear out under normal use?
@michaelcrow5597 you made me laugh so hard 🤣your comment 🤣 is so wonderful (i could see you yelling at the tv) even I do it 🤣(priceless) go FarmCraft101 🎉🎉
@@alexparadi522 Generally depending on the machine, extending the arm as far forward to level the cylinder will make your life easier. Draining the oil from the cylinder is easier to control, using a sling, nylon or a chain, to lift the cylinder straight up. The working height is much better. John has the lifting equipment to do this. This will also make assembly much easier.
When we had to repair the seals on our Case 680's dipper cylinder, we dug a trench deep enough before we shut it down to lay the arm down in it so we could work on it near the ground. Could not imagine having to use ladders or dealing with something this big!
I just commented on your road building video then came here and saw you commented here 🤯 When FarmCraft101 showed the hydraulic control valve in the video above my first thought was hopefully he wont have to rebuild that like Matt had to 😆
Helpful tip from a heavy equipment mechanic that has learned the hard way. If you pull the cylinders off like you did you ALWAYS want to either ratchet strap the rod eye to the barrel or tie it some way. If the piston seals had been wore as bad the head seals that rod would have slid out very quickly and could cause damage or taking a nice oil bath. It happens.
Hi Jon, in Germany we say, that a Deutz Diesel is nearly indestructible. I have an old Deutz tractor and I can say one thing for sure, wether we have -30 degrees Celsius or 40 degrees Celsius it starts after only two cranks. Besides that nice Excavator, you did a great job fixing this old beast.
needs to remove tin covers and clean out the cooling fins on the jugs and oil cooler fins and make sure the fan belt is in good shape and will be good for another 10000 hours
Hey John- next time you're needing to remove big cylinders from an excavator like this, reach the boom all the way out in-front of the machine and have all cylinders in the retracted position. Much easier to remove them in that position and much less oil on the rod side of the cylinder compared to the blind end.
I'm pretty sure the hydraulic pump you see at 11:53 is a Poclain brand radial plunger pump (French), not sure about the type but similar to a PL6H14-220
Love it. Name: Bertha. Just because that name came to mind. Thanks for taking care of Dozer. He’s going to be a great dog and well worth the money. Put more of him in the videos.
I used to work in a machine shop. The largest machine there was a big 6 spindle machine. I can't even remember the manufacturers name now but everyone just called it Big Bertha.
With safety in mind, Jon, please dress the struck end of your drifts. You do wear glasses but those flairs do tend to crack and break off in chunks. 34 Years as a millwright, hit many many drifts and cold chisels in my career.
Had a friend get a chip that entered at his wrist and went halfway to his elbow. Bled like a stuck pig and we were in a tunnel 40 feet from the entrance and 12 feet down. Wrapped a rag around his arm and helped him up the ladder. I always grind off the mushrooming on any struck tool. Even soft rods will work harden and chip off.
The machine is struggling and under severe load so you'll find some issue in the fuel system or the hydraulic tank, and with the condition of the cylinder seals I'd bet that the hydraulic filter is clogged with debris to make the machine struggle so. But the fuel filters might be full of rust and algae too to restrict fuel delivery.
I have done large cylinder rebuilds in the field before its not fun. Removing it completely is the right move. I must also say i was very impressed on how easily the pins came out considering the look of the machine someone really greased them well in its working life.
If that was a Komatsu, he never would have been able to disassemble a cylinder to repair it, as the piston is held onto the rod by a nut that is a one-time use item, and requires a hydraulic torque wrench to install.
Whole removal of the assembly is definitely the way to go. No issues about contamination and you have full control of the reassembly process. Love the channel.
Flip the hoses to change the pattern. I doubt it has a switch. I’m with you 100% on sticking with your pattern. I run on backhoe controls too. I can run sae (excavator controls). But I’m not as efficient and it doesn’t feel natural. I’ve gotten so much crap on jobs but Im always in the seat for critical tasks 🤷🏼♂️. It’s not worth learning another pattern
Jon, I got to say when I saw this machine as a thumbnail, I knew what to expect in this video. I ran a machine identical to yours for a farmer years ago. He got it at a auction for $10,275.00. He stumped and help grub around 60 acres of land to be turned in to row crop ag again. I got tired of working on that thing so freaking much. You brought up the high speed not working, well his didn't either and it was because of the swivel in the turn table not sealing up. I hope you have better luck with your machine than he did with his.
Hi I use to work on these Case / Poclain mashines at British steel UK . You need to extend arm out then remove pipes then cylinder. This should be a two man job so take care as they are heavy.
I resurrected an old case 160ck excavator a few years back. I have a couple videos of it on youtube. A couple things I learned . Mine has a radial piston Poclain main pump. It will not tolerate air. It uses pumping pressure to hold piston shoes against the central "cam" shaft. Never start the engine with the hyd supply tank valve shut off, or low on fluid. Ask me how I know.... There are two stacked gear hyd pumps driven off pulley end of engine.One of these circulates fluid through the coolers and drive motors (for cold weather). The other provides pilot pressure for controls. My machine would get "weak" upon fluid warming. The pilot pump was worn. Ended up swapping output hoses on these two for a temp fix. In order to replace hyd hoses, I bought a bunch of large steel JIC plugs that would fit modern hyd ends for the hose size. I put these on the lathe and bored them to fit the rigid tubing, then brazed them on. There are multiple banks of pistons on the radial main pump, and multiple output hoses. Several of these are combined by a lever in the floor RH behind the seat for fast travel. Increases the volume to the drive motors. There is a very delicate seal assembly pinned to the back side of each drive sprocket. Don't let anything get wrapped around there
In most all excavators there is a mechanical valve accessible in the side panel that can switch the control configuration. The last big excavator I ran had it and it takes a fairly big wrench to switch it.
I loved watching the 1010 project, now we get something even bigger! Love to see old Case engines going again. We love our 580 Construction King, never let's us down
Aww, sweet Dozer. I had rescue mix (at $170 dog from a rescue) (Golden + some mystery stuff) who had congenital arthritis in his elbows. All tolled up that came to about $3k for arthroscopic surgery before he was even 10 months old. Best dog ever, well worth it. Sadly he didn't even make it to 10 years before hemangiosarcoma got him.
John, I think I sent you this once before, but seeing you`re gonna be rebuilding a lot more hydraulic cylinders I`ll send it again. I`m 72 now , it`s been a few years since I worked at the hydraulic shop, and the size of the cylinder vice you need doesn`t need to be as big as the one we had. It was made using a piece of 16-inch I beam approx. 40 +/- inches long 2 pieces of 1-inch plate welded at each end the base had 4- one-inch holes in each corner and lagged into the cement floor and all we used for a cylinder vice was a regular plumber pipe vice bolted to the top, the largest cylinder I remember doing was off a lake freighter about 20-inch o.d. by 18 feet long of course the end of the cylinder was supported. and we used a 48-inch pipe wrench with a15 foot pipe to get some cylinders apart and only broke that little pipe vice once oh yea we had to add to the hold-down chain on the vice.
It may need work, but John has got the skill set to fix the obvious issues with the hydraulics. Bound to be challenges, and this could take a while, but I have faith that he'll figure out all the new stuff that always crops up with an old machine. As for a name... Justin Case (just in case you need a bigger excavator) was suggested by another subscriber, I think that's got my vote :)
Hi Jon - step by step repair explanations are like a tutorial in each episode for watchers to contemplate their own repairs. I think a suitable name for the digger will be " Hard" -as in Hardcase, as I think it would represent your sense of humour.
In software development we have a different rule about time estimations: take the initial estimate, multiply by 3 and shift one unit up (from hours to days, from days to weeks, from weeks to months). ;)
😜 As soon as i saw that wagon turn up i thought " oh no he's done it again" . I immediately thought of copious amounts of pig mats, oil and much ingenuity, and you certainly don't disappoint John. This will be another epic one. 👍👍👍🇬🇧 . And it should be called Titanic. Its got enough oil in to sink itself. 😁
When i started trucking in 1990 i hauled a new 555 john Deere track loader, and 310 4x4 backhoe. Nobody had a trackhoe they were massive. Now small trackhoes have replaced both machines.
I loved the Backhoe attachment on those older track Loaders. My time was around the 450 JD with the backhoe attached 😊 We did the sewer mainline and used it for backfill and put a how-pack on backhoe
@@rp1645 yeah I worked for my parents. They installed septic systems, we had forms made our own tanks. We eventually purchased and old mixer truck and small batch plant. 3 guys set up forms, delivered tanks to other customers, striped forms and cut wire made tanks every other day. I stayed busy hauling two loaders 555 and 650, Deere and one backhoe. One 69 Peterbilt 359 tractor pulled long trailer . Ford 9000 Dump pulled the short trailer been a long time believe it was 28 ft only Haul 1 pc of equipment. The backhoe was all they used on septic. Dug foundations with loader and knocked down trees. I never seen a trachoe that wasnt giant. Nobody had one know a small trachoe can do the work of two machines. Different time 34 years ago. I've only driven 3 different brand of tractors. Ford, Peterbilt, and a mack years later for a friend when he needed a driver. I was in tire distribution for most of my career but kept my class A or now CDL I never took a trucking class. Grandfathered in as experienced driver took test in family's tractor. Guy one year younger than me had to go to trucking school. IDK how it worked but I still have license to prove it.
@@rp1645 I got a 450 JD no hoe but it will surprise you on how powerful it is. I'm thinking a 1985 model with bucket and log grabber. It sits outside all the time coffee can over exhaust fresh charged battery it firers right up. My nephews maintain it never fails the 450 big enough but not too big. The 555 stayed in shop from new. The 650 is a monster no problems. The 310 Deere was first 4x4 id ever seen. That clutch electric clutch button on bucket arm control was best thing since sliced bread in 1990 how things have changed. My families Deere dozer with one hand joystick that's been around for 25 + years is amazing no foot steering one hand operates everything but blade . Technology came along way in 30 yrs.
just a suggestion, when you are turning, especially a hard turn, lifting the machine a little off the ground and helping turn with the boom will save a lot of strain on it. those are very wide tracks with a lot of weight on them.
The term Head Case comes to mind, maybe that would be a good name for it. Spin my experience, the bigger the excavator the more expensive the repairs are.
Thank you for buying this! It`s really interesting to see someone working on a machine of this size. It was really clever to lower the forks down onto the piston to stop it from rotating, I was wondering about possibilities on how to do it but you solved it in an excellent way.
Greetings from Finland. You are a good man taking care of Doser, but also doser. The dog has whole life ahead, and the machine has good retirement days chilling at your farm doing some tasks every now and then :-) But mostly thanks for taking care of the dog, it deserves a chance...
John, when I worked on hydraulic cylinders, back in the late 70's, we had pin wrenches made from steel plate, and about 2 feet of slugging handle, to beat on. Thinnest one was 1/2" the other two, where cut from 3/4" plate. Best wishes all.
I can barely change the fluids on my car, but watching your videos is a real education. I imagine just spending a day with you on your farm would teach someone more than they could learn in a year from a book or a class. Keep it up!
You don't need to win a lottery. Just right place and time. Matt at Diesel Creek picked up his Kobelco 210 for $15K and spent like $5K on repairs and it was good to go. It's not new or shiny, or has windows, but it is still a huge steal of a deal.
John I love your channel and the fact that you are taking care of Dozer the way you are I like that. I am a dog person and understand the problems with dogs and the expense.
As someone who has a deep love of dogs and who's the type to spend a lot of money on them if needed, I thank you for taking such good care of dozer. And he'll appreciate it throughout his life I assure you.
I did consider it. I go ahead and buy seals for the last cylinder, but for all I know it leaked earlier and was rebuilt more recently. I've decided not to tear into it until I have to, but I have the seals ready for when it needs them. The arm cylinder is the 4th and last hydraulic cylinder on the machine, and it is a different size.
Jon, this engine is bulletproof if it is well maintained. Please clean the cylinder fins to avoid overheating, it should have some sort of a door after the turbine. Regarding the smoke, it is normal when it is loaded, but watching the video every time you move the hydraulics the engine takes a big bump, maybe there is something wrong with the hydraulics, shouldn't stall the engine like that I think.
if you had a 15/20 gal. plastic drum with the top cut out you would have a nice cylinder oil catch pan, may not be as nice as a kiddy pool but would take up a lot less room to store. It's fun to see someone else having all the fun, you do a great job hiding how much fun you get into just for us to watch. Take care and will see you next week.
Some of the older equipment is just worn out and still works but I don't think that it should bog down so bad when trying to move the boom or take as much throttle as you have to use to get it too work, I'm sure the pump is worn and everything really but when the drives wear it seems to be a little weak. You'll figure it out. Hope Dozer get his pants back soon, That Looks Funny!
Hi Jon, next time fully extend the boom and the stick and touch them on the ground, would be easier and less hazardous to do the job. Furthermore, check the hydraulic tank for air pressure and there should be a valve to release the air before attempting repairs. Good job :-)
Those machines used to be red with grey cab, and originally were called POCLAIN. Case bought them out sometime in the late 80s,or early 90s. its a poclain with a case badge. deutz engine brilliant and long lasting work horse. external ring gear, pain in the butt. You have to paste grease onto them every morning, and it has thrown it all off by evening.
I love that you take on these major jobs all by yourself. I have learned a ton from watching you over the years. This excavator will be an awesome rig to have around the farm. Especially once you get her all fixed up.
I can't believe these guys do all this, have episodes like the hyd oil spills, etc. without a thorough application of good ole fashioned seafaring language. The second cylinder fountain called for at least a hearty "My stars and garters!", or at the very least a "shucky darn". When I dropped an alternator on my foot in the hearing of my grandmother, she threatened to wash my mouth out with Pine O Pine. I thought of her a lot during heated discussions while maintaining Detroits aboard Diesel subs.
Whooooooo! My favorite part of Friday! My Grandfather worked for years in construction and had his own topsoil business. I fondly remember helping him fix and maintain the machines and driving every once in a while
Holy cow...you have a massive piece of equipment Jon! But on the plus side it looks like you can work on the bucket under the shade of the roof :) I looked up some prices and saw one with just 750 hours at $185K so I would guess this one with over 7.2K hours at about $70K. Names: Big Bertha or Casey?
fun fact: I'm not a dog but I had the same kind of surgery performed on my femurs when I was 13 or so. It was done to correct my knock knees by using my growth as a young man to do it.
At work we have welded pins on the workbench over which the head of the piston rod can pass, so that the rod does not rotate. We also sometimes loosen and tighten the pistons with a homemade heavy hexagon wrench and an excavator. greetings from Belgium
that brass section on the piston is an anti-gouging design. if you go back through CEE's videos, they refit a rental piston like that to extend the life in-case-of wear band wearout
Hey John in my experience it is a good idea to pack the boom cylinders in pairs. The fresh one always seems to over work the old one. Probably not a bad idea based on its age, but then again you are on a farmers budget and you already have quite the list.
John, I have to say out of all the RUclipsrs, you have developed quite a habit here... :D Can't wait too see what kind of terrors are hidden in this one!
Hi John, your tracks are too loose mate, pump them up with grease. they should not sag along the top that much. locate the grease nipple that adjusts the front IDLER wheel.
@@FarmCraft101 I actually just got one myself, that must be why it was on my mind 🤣 I got a new riding mower which uses alot more gas, and I struggle lifting the can, so I got a 5 gallon jerry can my wife will fill, and then I can use. But I did order some rechargeable d batteries off of Amazon, I didn't really want to have to keep d batteries on hand
He's gonna need one even if he uses the kiddie pool drip pans. They will become Immovable very quickly and have to be drained by dipping something over and over (great task for kids) or using a small pump.
It's a lot easier to work on those cylinders or anything else on the boom, dipper, or bucket if you Stretch it out first, to get lower to the ground. You definitely want to remove the tin cowling around the engine cylinder heads and check for nest Or anything to obstruct air flow. Also keep the Engine oil cooler on top of the engine clean. There tough dependable engines, but those two things are a Must. TGP
Certainly one of your more ambitious projects. There is no doubt you will successful and the machine will function well. The rehab adventure will be entertaining as always. Watching your application of logical, thoughtful problem analysis is the best part of your videos. Note: a 40lb bag of budget kitty liter from Walmart will cleanup a lot of spilled oil.
What a beast of a machine! I hope it comes across on camera just how big this thing is. I'm trying to come up with a good name. Typically my machines get female names, but I'm not sure yet on this one. Consider this: It's old but not dead yet. It doesn't work as well as it used to, but it still works. It leaks a lot, dripping all over the place. It definitely needs work on the plumbing, but when I get it fixed up and back in action, it will be an absolute thrill to use. You thinking what I'm thinking? Have an awesome weekend folks!
May-belle or Mabiline
Maybell think it fits her 😊
Dirk Digger!
Definitely Richard......
Big Bertha is the first thing that came to mind 😬
Between you and Matt @ Diesel Creek, I'm starting to develop heavy machinery envy.
My thoughts exactly
And Andrew Camarata....
@@nicolaspa4644 and Northwesthillbilly...
Unfortunately they both have functional machines that LOOK like junk.
Absolutely
Hey john, you need to invest in some plastic kiddie pools, they are my go to oil catch cans when I’m out on the field. They cover so much square ft. It’s almost hard to make a mess.
Great tip, thanks.
Also good for washing the dog!
Stupid question: how do you empty or move a kiddie pool full of oil?? Shopvac it out? Is there a better way?
I think it is „Big Brother“ to your little Excavator. Like this name?
@@billmiller4800 A simple gear pump will do it for you. Powered by a drill of your choice.
If it is Deutz air cooled engine, then you will have a good time with it. Parts are very cheap and readily available at least in Europe. Each cylinder is separate so any damage to one won't affect the rest. I have rebuilt and fixed many of the same type engines. It doesn't matter if it's a 3 or 6 cylinder they all work the same.
Deutz engines are usually pretty well tuned so I am not too sure if it is suppose to smoke that much. Check the turbo. BFL6 913 engine is 6.1 liters and on tractors it has 115 horse power naturally aspirated and it doesn't smoke even when worked hard. Turbo version has 137 horse power and it smokes just a little.
You got 176 horse power so you should definitely see some smoke, but that seems a lot still.
EDIT: Also you need to pressure wash the cooling fins every now and then. Take off the cover from the pump side (air tunnel) and clean it well.
The exhaust manifold has a temperature regulator which feeds engine oil to the cooling fan (belt driven) and regulates it's speed. The regulator has one screw which has a copper washer under it. This washer determines how cool it keeps the engine. So if you ever run into a problem where the engine is overheating then putting a thinner washer will ramp up the fan.
You know your engine is overheating once you start to smell it. 180 degrees is the max temp for the engine and the sensor(s) are on the cylinders under the air tunnel.
Make sure the oil cooler is not clogged. This engine cools it's pistons with both air and engine oil. You will ruin the oil if engine runs too hot. Oil can transfer so much heat that Deutz used it to heatup the cabin on tractors just like water radiator types. Of course it was not as effective so they had an extra diesel heater, but our Deutz can still be warm even at -18*C with just engine oil.
If you don't overheat it it will run forever.
Thanks for the tips!
Always check the airbox before starting, Mice love to put their nests in the back corner blocking airflow to that cylinder.
All those are good to do to it allot. Also injector cleaner would be worth hit when you get ready to run it again. Lucas worked good on the one in the yard by us.
@@richardnott9587 Additives like Marvel Mystery oil are all good on your engine has sat for a long time.
2 stroke oil is also good for heavily worked fuel systems, especially for those which run hot.
75 years old, and I've been around equipment for a long time. We don't really mind if you suffer with your new machine, but just cannot stand to see a dog suffer! Good for you for getting him treated!
Mr.75 year old machine guy. Do you remember the Dynahoe line of equipment from Bucyrus Erie 😊 I own a 1978 Dynahoe190 it's my baby along with my 1971 SeaGrave FD Engine. Both have Detroit Diesel screamers. I ran a Dynahoe in 1979 and fell in love with Stout of those backhoes. I have always run the CASE 580 series but I had to have a Dynahoe as my retirement TOY.
Best thing when working with the big cylinders is het s cheap kiddie pool and put it under when taking them apart. It keeps the mess down.
You might consider putting one of the small camper roof top A/C units on it. They are usually self contained units so all you need to do is cut a hole in the roof, drop it in & wire it.
Definitely need to do the glass, then. I notice his only mention of the glass was to say "looks great!" It's all flat glass, so actually probably pretty reasonable. For heavy equipment values of reasonable.
Maybe he should fix the glass so, you figure it out!
YA ,before you start all these repairs
Yes but make sure you don't get a fancy 1Digital control and stuff just get the plain Jane
Oh man! I’m a retired heavy equipment mechanic with 40 years of field experience. I know that you will get there in the end but watching you work on removing the bucket cylinder is making me cringe. My wife is getting tired of me yelling at the tv. I do admire your determination.
After watching John repair his heavy equipment I have a total respect of his abilities and all those mechanics, including yourself that work these massive constructive vehicles. No clamor here.😊
Did those seals naturally wear out under normal use?
@@MikeZMonroe My guess is those were triple C replacement seals (cheap chinese craft), but I'm only speculating...😋
@michaelcrow5597 you made me laugh so hard 🤣your comment 🤣 is so wonderful (i could see you yelling at the tv) even I do it 🤣(priceless) go FarmCraft101 🎉🎉
@michaelcrow5597 - so what SHOULD he have been doing?
@@alexparadi522 Generally depending on the machine, extending the arm as far forward to level the cylinder will make your life easier. Draining the oil from the cylinder is easier to control, using a sling, nylon or a chain, to lift the cylinder straight up. The working height is much better. John has the lifting equipment to do this. This will also make assembly much easier.
Kiddie pools work great for catching oil. It’s what we use in a gas plant
Kiddy pools also work good for concrete pump truck clean-out.
Whole new meaning to the term: Oil Bath!
When we had to repair the seals on our Case 680's dipper cylinder, we dug a trench deep enough before we shut it down to lay the arm down in it so we could work on it near the ground. Could not imagine having to use ladders or dealing with something this big!
I hope you never underestimate your mechanical aptitude. You are a great mechanic among other things.
LMAO!
I didn't realize I had excavator-induced PTSD until I saw you do a walkaround on this machine...good luck! 😂👍👍
Matt! Really enjoy your channel along with Jon's. Common sense, engenuity and problem solving skills.
Entertaining.
You need you one this size, for the stumps in your last video
Fancy running into you here, Matt. Thought not a surprise lol.
I just commented on your road building video then came here and saw you commented here 🤯
When FarmCraft101 showed the hydraulic control valve in the video above my first thought was hopefully he wont have to rebuild that like Matt had to 😆
funny enough i thought of your channel when this dropped
Somehow I knew this day would come. Awesome! And almost to 500k subs. Name: Basket Case
🤣🤣🤣
It really is the only name lol I had the same suggestion 😂.
Helpful tip from a heavy equipment mechanic that has learned the hard way. If you pull the cylinders off like you did you ALWAYS want to either ratchet strap the rod eye to the barrel or tie it some way. If the piston seals had been wore as bad the head seals that rod would have slid out very quickly and could cause damage or taking a nice oil bath. It happens.
I used to get warts from hy-drastic oil when I was in the Navy. That was mil-5606...the red stuff before they switched over to the green stuff.
@IrontechLLC
Yes, yes, it does. He also should change out the strainer in the hydraulic tank. Those pieces of seal had to go somewhere.
Glad to see Dozer getting the care to help him live out a fulfilling life on the farm Jon. Really kind of you to have done that for him.
Hi Jon, in Germany we say, that a Deutz Diesel is nearly indestructible. I have an old
Deutz tractor and I can say one thing for sure, wether we have -30 degrees Celsius or 40 degrees Celsius it starts after only two cranks. Besides that nice Excavator, you did a great job fixing this old beast.
needs to remove tin covers and clean out the cooling fins on the jugs and oil cooler fins and make sure the fan belt is in good shape and will be good for another 10000 hours
Rubber timing belts failed .. I have a few bent pushrods.
Otherwise good 👍
A danke Schoen
Oh man, I can just dream about all the content this baby will provide. I would name it Casey.
Hey John- next time you're needing to remove big cylinders from an excavator like this, reach the boom all the way out in-front of the machine and have all cylinders in the retracted position. Much easier to remove them in that position and much less oil on the rod side of the cylinder compared to the blind end.
Very good suggestion.
I was wondering why he didn't stretch it out.
was going to make the same observation, as this is what @PacificNorthwestHillbilly did when he pulled the cylinders on his Hitachi EX120 rebuild
I have been wanting to say something, I was almost yelling at the screen!
i was thinking the same and wondering why he made it so hard for himself xD
I'm pretty sure the hydraulic pump you see at 11:53 is a Poclain brand radial plunger pump (French), not sure about the type but similar to a PL6H14-220
Love it. Name: Bertha. Just because that name came to mind.
Thanks for taking care of Dozer. He’s going to be a great dog and well worth the money. Put more of him in the videos.
I was thinking Gertrude for the name.
Hahaha.
Better put him in more. My neighbor’s Great Pyrenees watches with me and always runs to the screen wagging her tail when Dozer shows up!
Should've scrolled down before I said the same thing.
I used to work in a machine shop. The largest machine there was a big 6 spindle machine. I can't even remember the manufacturers name now but everyone just called it Big Bertha.
With safety in mind, Jon, please dress the struck end of your drifts. You do wear glasses but those flairs do tend to crack and break off in chunks. 34 Years as a millwright, hit many many drifts and cold chisels in my career.
Had a friend get a chip that entered at his wrist and went halfway to his elbow.
Bled like a stuck pig and we were in a tunnel 40 feet from the entrance and 12 feet down.
Wrapped a rag around his arm and helped him up the ladder.
I always grind off the mushrooming on any struck tool. Even soft rods will work harden and chip off.
The machine is struggling and under severe load so you'll find some issue in the fuel system or the hydraulic tank, and with the condition of the cylinder seals I'd bet that the hydraulic filter is clogged with debris to make the machine struggle so. But the fuel filters might be full of rust and algae too to restrict fuel delivery.
I have done large cylinder rebuilds in the field before its not fun. Removing it completely is the right move. I must also say i was very impressed on how easily the pins came out considering the look of the machine someone really greased them well in its working life.
If that was a Komatsu, he never would have been able to disassemble a cylinder to repair it, as the piston is held onto the rod by a nut that is a one-time use item, and requires a hydraulic torque wrench to install.
Whole removal of the assembly is definitely the way to go. No issues about contamination and you have full control of the reassembly process. Love the channel.
Flip the hoses to change the pattern. I doubt it has a switch. I’m with you 100% on sticking with your pattern. I run on backhoe controls too. I can run sae (excavator controls). But I’m not as efficient and it doesn’t feel natural. I’ve gotten so much crap on jobs but Im always in the seat for critical tasks 🤷🏼♂️. It’s not worth learning another pattern
Jon, I got to say when I saw this machine as a thumbnail, I knew what to expect in this video. I ran a machine identical to yours for a farmer years ago. He got it at a auction for $10,275.00. He stumped and help grub around 60 acres of land to be turned in to row crop ag again. I got tired of working on that thing so freaking much. You brought up the high speed not working, well his didn't either and it was because of the swivel in the turn table not sealing up. I hope you have better luck with your machine than he did with his.
Hi I use to work on these Case / Poclain mashines at British steel UK . You need to extend arm out then remove pipes then cylinder. This should be a two man job so take care as they are heavy.
I resurrected an old case 160ck excavator a few years back. I have a couple videos of it on youtube. A couple things I learned .
Mine has a radial piston Poclain main pump. It will not tolerate air. It uses pumping pressure to hold piston shoes against the central "cam" shaft. Never start the engine with the hyd supply tank valve shut off, or low on fluid. Ask me how I know....
There are two stacked gear hyd pumps driven off pulley end of engine.One of these circulates fluid through the coolers and drive motors (for cold weather). The other provides pilot pressure for controls. My machine would get "weak" upon fluid warming. The pilot pump was worn. Ended up swapping output hoses on these two for a temp fix.
In order to replace hyd hoses, I bought a bunch of large steel JIC plugs that would fit modern hyd ends for the hose size. I put these on the lathe and bored them to fit the rigid tubing, then brazed them on.
There are multiple banks of pistons on the radial main pump, and multiple output hoses. Several of these are combined by a lever in the floor RH behind the seat for fast travel. Increases the volume to the drive motors.
There is a very delicate seal assembly pinned to the back side of each drive sprocket. Don't let anything get wrapped around there
They are a poclain digger. Case just put there name on them
Love it! These old machines deserve a second chance. Bring on part 2!
I absolutely love watching your ingenuity coming up with ways to get the job done with what you have on hand.
In most all excavators there is a mechanical valve accessible in the side panel that can switch the control configuration. The last big excavator I ran had it and it takes a fairly big wrench to switch it.
I loved watching the 1010 project, now we get something even bigger! Love to see old Case engines going again. We love our 580 Construction King, never let's us down
Aww, sweet Dozer. I had rescue mix (at $170 dog from a rescue) (Golden + some mystery stuff) who had congenital arthritis in his elbows. All tolled up that came to about $3k for arthroscopic surgery before he was even 10 months old. Best dog ever, well worth it. Sadly he didn't even make it to 10 years before hemangiosarcoma got him.
i like that you always tell us what the price is on stuff you purchase
So, did I miss the price on this one?
@@jamewakk He said he would tell the price in next weeks episode.
Judging by the condition of it, I think a good name would be "Basket Case"
Otherwise, and on an optimistic note, name it Halfmil, since this project could be in progress as the channel passes the 500K mark
That is hilarious.
John, I think I sent you this once before, but seeing you`re gonna be rebuilding a lot more hydraulic cylinders I`ll send it again. I`m 72 now , it`s been a few years since I worked at the hydraulic shop, and the size of the cylinder vice you need doesn`t need to be as big as the one we had. It was made using a piece of 16-inch I beam approx. 40 +/- inches long 2 pieces of 1-inch plate welded at each end the base had 4- one-inch holes in each corner and lagged into the cement floor and all we used for a cylinder vice was a regular plumber pipe vice bolted to the top, the largest cylinder I remember doing was off a lake freighter about 20-inch o.d. by 18 feet long of course the end of the cylinder was supported. and we used a 48-inch pipe wrench with a15 foot pipe to get some cylinders apart and only broke that little pipe vice once oh yea we had to add to the hold-down chain
on the vice.
If you put the bucket in the ground and lift the tracks a little you won't tear the ground to do much when you are making a sharp turn.
It may need work, but John has got the skill set to fix the obvious issues with the hydraulics. Bound to be challenges, and this could take a while, but I have faith that he'll figure out all the new stuff that always crops up with an old machine. As for a name... Justin Case (just in case you need a bigger excavator) was suggested by another subscriber, I think that's got my vote :)
Hi Jon - step by step repair explanations are like a tutorial in each episode for watchers to contemplate their own repairs. I think a suitable name for the digger will be " Hard" -as in Hardcase, as I think it would represent your sense of humour.
In software development we have a different rule about time estimations: take the initial estimate, multiply by 3 and shift one unit up (from hours to days, from days to weeks, from weeks to months). ;)
yup yup the Math works out 96.2% perfect with my last 2 million quotes but don't quote me on that !
As IT guy, this is accurate
@@diras2010 IT sucks and if you dont know IT sucks then acdc rocks
😜 As soon as i saw that wagon turn up i thought " oh no he's done it again" . I immediately thought of copious amounts of pig mats, oil and much ingenuity, and you certainly don't disappoint John. This will be another epic one. 👍👍👍🇬🇧 . And it should be called Titanic. Its got enough oil in to sink itself. 😁
titanic 🤣🤣🤣👏🏻
When i started trucking in 1990 i hauled a new 555 john Deere track loader, and 310 4x4 backhoe. Nobody had a trackhoe they were massive. Now small trackhoes have replaced both machines.
I loved the Backhoe attachment on those older track Loaders. My time was around the 450 JD with the backhoe attached 😊
We did the sewer mainline and used it for backfill and put a how-pack on backhoe
@@rp1645 yeah I worked for my parents. They installed septic systems, we had forms made our own tanks. We eventually purchased and old mixer truck and small batch plant. 3 guys set up forms, delivered tanks to other customers, striped forms and cut wire made tanks every other day. I stayed busy hauling two loaders 555 and 650, Deere and one backhoe. One 69 Peterbilt 359 tractor pulled long trailer . Ford 9000 Dump pulled the short trailer been a long time believe it was 28 ft only Haul 1 pc of equipment. The backhoe was all they used on septic. Dug foundations with loader and knocked down trees. I never seen a trachoe that wasnt giant. Nobody had one know a small trachoe can do the work of two machines. Different time 34 years ago. I've only driven 3 different brand of tractors. Ford, Peterbilt, and a mack years later for a friend when he needed a driver. I was in tire distribution for most of my career but kept my class A or now CDL I never took a trucking class. Grandfathered in as experienced driver took test in family's tractor. Guy one year younger than me had to go to trucking school. IDK how it worked but I still have license to prove it.
@@rp1645 I got a 450 JD no hoe but it will surprise you on how powerful it is. I'm thinking a 1985 model with bucket and log grabber. It sits outside all the time coffee can over exhaust fresh charged battery it firers right up. My nephews maintain it never fails the 450 big enough but not too big. The 555 stayed in shop from new. The 650 is a monster no problems. The 310 Deere was first 4x4 id ever seen. That clutch electric clutch button on bucket arm control was best thing since sliced bread in 1990 how things have changed. My families Deere dozer with one hand joystick that's been around for 25 + years is amazing no foot steering one hand operates everything but blade . Technology came along way in 30 yrs.
just a suggestion, when you are turning, especially a hard turn, lifting the machine a little off the ground and helping turn with the boom will save a lot of strain on it. those are very wide tracks with a lot of weight on them.
The look on your wife’s face when you pulled up with this must have been priceless 😂
lol
He's going for the Andrew Camarata audience, for sure... ;-)
Ive always wondered, lately more and more, that how does this work. But as far as i know they are still married :)
he should have done that. That could have been a video all on its own.
The joy on the faces of the people at the hydraulics shop when he told them he has a new project must have been heartwarming :D
I always love when the camera zooms in, you know something good's going to happen
The term Head Case comes to mind, maybe that would be a good name for it. Spin my experience, the bigger the excavator the more expensive the repairs are.
You need to paint Large Marg. We would love to see her painted
I'm all about dogs over here. Kudos for fixing Dozers knees. Money well spent :) Super cool excavator too :)
Thank you for buying this! It`s really interesting to see someone working on a machine of this size. It was really clever to lower the forks down onto the piston to stop it from rotating, I was wondering about possibilities on how to do it but you solved it in an excellent way.
Greetings from Finland. You are a good man taking care of Doser, but also doser. The dog has whole life ahead, and the machine has good retirement days chilling at your farm doing some tasks every now and then :-) But mostly thanks for taking care of the dog, it deserves a chance...
You should have laid the boom down horizonal and it would be easier to remove the cylinder's. Good video!
John, when I worked on hydraulic cylinders, back in the late 70's, we had pin wrenches made from steel plate, and about 2 feet of slugging handle, to beat on. Thinnest one was 1/2" the other two, where cut from 3/4" plate.
Best wishes all.
I can barely change the fluids on my car, but watching your videos is a real education. I imagine just spending a day with you on your farm would teach someone more than they could learn in a year from a book or a class. Keep it up!
replace the windows with polycarbonate sheeting. you can cut to size onsite. then put a film on it like 3m stoneguard to protect from scratching.
If i ever won a lottery, I'd buy a full sized excavator. They're soooo much fun to run. And shockingly powerful.
If I won the lottery I'd hire someone to do it! And go fishing 😄
@@bombardier3qtrlbpsiI’d rather play with an excavator 😂
@@sjv6598Fishing with an excavator
You don't need to win a lottery. Just right place and time. Matt at Diesel Creek picked up his Kobelco 210 for $15K and spent like $5K on repairs and it was good to go. It's not new or shiny, or has windows, but it is still a huge steal of a deal.
@@LatitudeSkyyeah but that's probably really rare
OK when you dropped your wrench working on the boom cylinder, the time until it hit the ground put into perspective how big that machine is.
John I love your channel and the fact that you are taking care of Dozer the way you are I like that. I am a dog person and understand the problems with dogs and the expense.
That was fun to watch. Brought back a lot of memories when I ran a 225 Cat excavator on Staten Island back in the early 70's.
JOHN, YOU ARE GETTING MORE EFFICIENT IN REPAIRING IT !!!!!~~~~~~~~~
As someone who has a deep love of dogs and who's the type to spend a lot of money on them if needed, I thank you for taking such good care of dozer. And he'll appreciate it throughout his life I assure you.
After getting that far on the two barrels, did you consider also swapping the seals on the last barrel?
I did consider it. I go ahead and buy seals for the last cylinder, but for all I know it leaked earlier and was rebuilt more recently. I've decided not to tear into it until I have to, but I have the seals ready for when it needs them. The arm cylinder is the 4th and last hydraulic cylinder on the machine, and it is a different size.
You need to buy kit of cone shaped plastic blugs for hydraulic hoses and pipes that are open. They look like carrots and are various sizes.
Jon, this engine is bulletproof if it is well maintained. Please clean the cylinder fins to avoid overheating, it should have some sort of a door after the turbine. Regarding the smoke, it is normal when it is loaded, but watching the video every time you move the hydraulics the engine takes a big bump, maybe there is something wrong with the hydraulics, shouldn't stall the engine like that I think.
Thank you for caring for Dozer and getting his surgery. I hope everything goes well and he has a long pain free life ahead ❤
if you had a 15/20 gal. plastic drum with the top cut out you would have a nice cylinder oil catch pan, may not be as nice as a kiddy pool but would take up a lot less room to store.
It's fun to see someone else having all the fun, you do a great job hiding how much fun you get into just for us to watch.
Take care and will see you next week.
I cannot be the only one who's mildly surprised John didn't sort Dozer out himself 🙈
hahahahahahaha
You and Pacific Northwest Hillbilly, you guys are fearless when it comes these big machines.
Some of the older equipment is just worn out and still works but I don't think that it should bog down so bad when trying to move the boom or take as much throttle as you have to use to get it too work, I'm sure the pump is worn and everything really but when the drives wear it seems to be a little weak. You'll figure it out. Hope Dozer get his pants back soon, That Looks Funny!
At way Johon , Case makes some excellent machines. Now you can rip that big Boulder out of the ground.
Hi Jon, next time fully extend the boom and the stick and touch them on the ground, would be easier and less hazardous to do the job. Furthermore, check the hydraulic tank for air pressure and there should be a valve to release the air before attempting repairs. Good job :-)
I worked at a shop and that’s exactly how they did all excavator stick cylinders by extending boom and stick and resting on the ground
BIG BOY sounds like a great name for your new machine !!!
Those machines used to be red with grey cab, and originally were called POCLAIN. Case bought them out sometime in the late 80s,or early 90s. its a poclain with a case badge. deutz engine brilliant and long lasting work horse. external ring gear, pain in the butt. You have to paste grease onto them every morning, and it has thrown it all off by evening.
Next you should get a knuckle boom crane to help you service your larger machines!
I think a circus tent is in your future to ensure you can perform maintenance on this one and shield it from the weather.
whatever disintegrated those seals might have disintegrated all seal glands
you might need to check all your cylinders
I love that you take on these major jobs all by yourself. I have learned a ton from watching you over the years. This excavator will be an awesome rig to have around the farm. Especially once you get her all fixed up.
I can't believe these guys do all this, have episodes like the hyd oil spills, etc. without a thorough application of good ole fashioned seafaring language. The second cylinder fountain called for at least a hearty "My stars and garters!", or at the very least a "shucky darn".
When I dropped an alternator on my foot in the hearing of my grandmother, she threatened to wash my mouth out with Pine O Pine. I thought of her a lot during heated discussions while maintaining Detroits aboard Diesel subs.
Whooooooo! My favorite part of Friday! My Grandfather worked for years in construction and had his own topsoil business. I fondly remember helping him fix and maintain the machines and driving every once in a while
Holy cow...you have a massive piece of equipment Jon!
But on the plus side it looks like you can work on the bucket under the shade of the roof :)
I looked up some prices and saw one with just 750 hours at $185K so I would guess this one with over 7.2K hours at about $70K.
Names: Big Bertha or Casey?
He's compensating for his tiny Johnson
No id say less than 20 there not wanted and it needs big repairs. No way he paid anything near 70k.
I would name her Lucille (as in loose seal). Keep up the great work, give us another pond update when you get a chance.
LOL! I called her Leaky Lucy. :)
You’re going to need to build a pole barn soon to store and work on this equipment.
Good job! Yep, watched it til the end, even realized you used a Colin Furze classic, neat!
Holy F !! Congrats on the addition 💪
Please be careful with yourself when doing repairs/maintenance on that beast
My non-mechanic suggestion is to put some enormous googly eyes on the boom and call the excavator Dino.
fun fact: I'm not a dog but I had the same kind of surgery performed on my femurs when I was 13 or so. It was done to correct my knock knees by using my growth as a young man to do it.
At work we have welded pins on the workbench over which the head of the piston rod can pass, so that the rod does not rotate. We also sometimes loosen and tighten the pistons with a homemade heavy hexagon wrench and an excavator. greetings from Belgium
Greetings from California. My Ford/New Holland 655c loader backhoe was made in Belgium. Best backhoe I ever operated.
that brass section on the piston is an anti-gouging design. if you go back through CEE's videos, they refit a rental piston like that to extend the life in-case-of wear band wearout
Hey John in my experience it is a good idea to pack the boom cylinders in pairs. The fresh one always seems to over work the old one. Probably not a bad idea based on its age, but then again you are on a farmers budget and you already have quite the list.
Jon when I ran one of these I would pick up my spade shovel with the thumb and clean out the tracks ! Not simple but easier than doing it yourself
John, I have to say out of all the RUclipsrs, you have developed quite a habit here... :D Can't wait too see what kind of terrors are hidden in this one!
When it comes to tearing apart and oil is involved, cardboard and a burn pile go together well.
Hi John, your tracks are too loose mate, pump them up with grease. they should not sag along the top that much.
locate the grease nipple that adjusts the front IDLER wheel.
You could have used the cheap battery powered transfer pump from harborfreight to drain the oil from the pan you kept spilling into the bucket
Yep. If only I had one. I guess it's time to get one finally!
@@FarmCraft101 I actually just got one myself, that must be why it was on my mind 🤣 I got a new riding mower which uses alot more gas, and I struggle lifting the can, so I got a 5 gallon jerry can my wife will fill, and then I can use. But I did order some rechargeable d batteries off of Amazon, I didn't really want to have to keep d batteries on hand
He's gonna need one even if he uses the kiddie pool drip pans. They will become Immovable very quickly and have to be drained by dipping something over and over (great task for kids) or using a small pump.
At least your hoist chain is well oiled! LoL
That's my worst fear. Going in for surgery and waking up without any pants....🤣
Lots of sweet new project Content Heck yeah Jon 5:04 @FarmCraft101
It's a lot easier to work on those cylinders or anything else on the boom, dipper, or bucket if you
Stretch it out first, to get lower to the ground.
You definitely want to remove the tin cowling around the engine cylinder heads and check for nest
Or anything to obstruct air flow. Also keep the Engine oil cooler on top of the engine clean.
There tough dependable engines, but those two things are a Must.
TGP
Certainly one of your more ambitious projects. There is no doubt you will successful and the machine will function well. The rehab adventure will be entertaining as always. Watching your application of logical, thoughtful problem analysis is the best part of your videos. Note: a 40lb bag of budget kitty liter from Walmart will cleanup a lot of spilled oil.
Look forward to the next episode Jon 51:13 @FarmCraft101
@16:08 - Coming up after the break, Girth Cylinder's new hit "no chance of me being able to handle that rod by hand"