I like how Drongo, like the drongo that he is, says at 15:44 that this is a buff to the English. When its the opposite, its a nerf to the English (and HRE). It only applies to King's Palace and the Palace of Swabia. Because apparently Relic forgot about them when they changed secondary TC's in general. The skirmish game he goes into right after just has a gold spawn that is far away. The TC arrow range is clearly still 8 tiles. (And it says as much when you check its stats).
@@MrLomachenko16 lol, I know I’m here responding to you like 2 days later and I should really just let this go but what even possessed you to write that? You don’t know anything about me at all except that I’m happy my favorite creator recorded a video. My job pays the bills thanks.
I think the changes for TCs in the recent patches are really good. Cuz mass TC boom in AOE4 kinda breaks the RTS triangle of Aggro, Boom, Turtle. Since TC arrows are effective VS most units in the early game, u are booming while kinda turtling at the same time.(remeber Crakedy mongol 5 tc build and Dvine 3tc Eng build?) This is a great start to encourage flexible strategies.
Byzantines are the most fun civ to play imo if you can make it to castle age and beyond, but the earlygame was so weak. Hoping the early cistern buff lets them come out of the gate faster
About Japanese Floating gate - with +2 yoroshiros could it become viable to put the first in TC immediately and cut the lead of 2TC opponent a bit? With only 4 this would hard to swallow but now with 6? +20% vill production is not the same as 2x, however collecting the resources for 2nd TC is not free either
I just want a unique tech for chirosophons to be able to target units in addition to buildings in a balanced way come castle age, probably with a sizeable minimum range so they can be powerful when protected but still strongly counter-able. Not for the practicality, just for the image of using flames to break up enemy masses.
Quick math, Mali's Cow consumes 90 gold and 33 wood and produces 25 food per minute. So the Buddhist Monk is equal to warrior cow, but without the landmark buff and horticulture.
I did some tests and found that a Buddhist monk would give 25 gold immediately after training, which is equal to 75 costs for a monk. I tried Japanese rush castle and monk booming in 4v4 and won many times
I only play 2v2 me and the rest AI. I was really struggling last night as the Japanese. Couldn't get my Bugeisha rush out fast enough like before. Not sure why.
The cheirosophon reddit post completely ignored the fact that they don't need to be in absolute melee range and aren't losing 97% (yes being hyperbolic) of their damage being stuck. That alone makes them worth it. DPS calculcation in a vacuum isn't everything. There is more upside as well since they kill units in front of them so you can't easily melee them down which makes them much easier to defend. I wouldn't say "Oh the 3rd and 4th ram on a barracks don't deal their full damage" a major drawback. Good luck getting 4 normal rams doing their full damage on a building that isn't 100% exposed (even then they lose dps in getting stuck on each other). If the unit was the same cost as a ram and available to all civs we would see 0 rams. Saying they are "worse than rams" is a little silly.
What if they made rams immobile without at least 2 supply of units inside it? It makes more sense and you could make rams cost 0 supply and would basically remove late game ram spam. It may make early rushes too weak tho idk, maybe just make it work like this after castle age
I wish the devs would release ranked team games on console. Aoe2 has team ranked on console I don’t see why they can’t release to console as it seems the aoe4 player base is higher than aoe2 on console. I know many people that would play more or come back from not playing if we could play ranked teams.
Biggest nerf to Sushi has got to be removing the ability to supervise markets. That was so nice in team games! 😭 being able to spam out traders in like one or two minutes and just have gold forever.
Siege equipment is great but so boring to play with yeah knock down some walls, but those firework fuckers and cannons just blast regular troops. It’s rare to have a fair fight online. Would be nice to fight troops on troop not explosions.
My problem with age 4 its that French/Jean Darc , China/zhu shi and otomans are 3 civs/variant that the devs never balance well, those 3 always its above all other civs, other civs you have to play good but those 3 if you follow guides and just do no brain rush you win, broken civs that the devs never correct, I can play a fair match against all civs but those 3 always see harder tham the others not fun games, i am platinum 3 on solo and diamond 1 om group, so I am not the hightest but not a bad player too, I just like a fair long game where you see who is the true good players
@@Winterfal11 i cry but I climb the ladder iziii just got diamond 2 on solo today, use some juicy otoman siege and climb iziiii , love those broken civs au au
I was completely wrong Drongo. I thought I could talk crap about your civ because as an Abbasid main, I didn't think they could do me dirtier. I'm switching to Dune Spice Wars. Have fun with your still S tier civ =)
Most funny thing about this is that now all the people, who never learnt maths in school are crying, because they think that ottoman got buffed by springald changes lmao.
they clearly have. culvrins take 4 shots. the amount of res and pop space needed to deal with one unit late game when ottoman makes great bombards for free is noticeable.
I kinda feel the game will go back to Ram all ins yet again. its gonna be so bad getting rammed. I know it looks like not much and they got nerfed on the hp etc etc. but... i have a feeling age of rams will be back shortly. Also this patch is a huge buff to ottomans and china and i think byz will be S tier at the very least
@@alekseykosyanenko5996 I literally just repeated the exact words of beastyqt to you. So "all the top players" is already blatantly false. Which top player exactly said OOTD was trash ? I am watching quite a few and never heard that.
Drongo for American president 2024. He Can fix the border issue with palisade walls. 2 outposts and a couple archers. He will stimulate our economy with 3 relics in the bank. 1 house per villager. Free Healthcare , free food, free gold and free wood for all
don't Ayyubids usually get defeated once they lose their only early rush in the game? which is at their prime, they perform terribly in the late game, so I don't think nerfing the fast age wing was a smart option.
@@AaronOmar-co8bn Yes, FC was the only good strat they had, they fall off extremely hard if the game reaches 20 Minutes. And fact is, their other Options are extremely lackluster. What makes this more disappointing is the fact that Zhu Xi, who are really broken (and can achieve an even faster FC than ayyubids) got a slap on the Wrist compared to Ayyubids, who basically got driven into the Woods and shot in the Head.
@@CedricBassman I would not judge since that perhaps still early with more possible big changes. I would honestly wait and see that maybe future balances would bring back some buffs to the Ayyubids that could possibly bring them back to the competitive level, besides that they are useless.
The game is not balance at all, the devs love china, french and otoman, variants of these too, totally broken civs and the nerfs will not be enogh,They buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard
They buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard. They love some civs and hate others, sushi legacy still broken nerfs was not that strong, french/Jean Darc broken cavalry civs. Try to climp the later with english, HRE oh right devs hate this civs so kkkkkkkkkk
Yeah, the devs sleep hard a lot of buff needs but no lets buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard. They hate some civs and love others
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I like how Drongo, like the drongo that he is, says at 15:44 that this is a buff to the English. When its the opposite, its a nerf to the English (and HRE). It only applies to King's Palace and the Palace of Swabia. Because apparently Relic forgot about them when they changed secondary TC's in general.
The skirmish game he goes into right after just has a gold spawn that is far away. The TC arrow range is clearly still 8 tiles. (And it says as much when you check its stats).
Bro how did I miss that?!
"Landmark Town Centers garrison arrow range corrected from 8 to 6 tiles."
It says landmark not capital! Argh.
@@AussieDrongo No worries mate, we still love you all the same.
@@AussieDrongo no one can be held accountable for mistakes made before they finish their first cup of coffee.
@@AussieDrongo I thought your capital TC counted as a landmark too...
What is the difference between capitol and landmark tc?
1:00 Maps
3:15 Bug fixes
6:22 Balance Changes - Siege
10:30 Rams
18:15 Civ Spesific Changes
41:25 Japanese Landmark Explained
this guy getting on at 7 am and recording more than hour of content, the people's champ right here.
I can tell you don’t have a Job
The man has 2 kids under 2. This is nothing.
@@MrLomachenko16 lol, I know I’m here responding to you like 2 days later and I should really just let this go but what even possessed you to write that? You don’t know anything about me at all except that I’m happy my favorite creator recorded a video. My job pays the bills thanks.
For me as a Byzantine player big plus are cisterns buff and winery with food upgrades makes them boom faster than before and mass more units 🎉🎉🎉
I think the changes for TCs in the recent patches are really good. Cuz mass TC boom in AOE4 kinda breaks the RTS triangle of Aggro, Boom, Turtle. Since TC arrows are effective VS most units in the early game, u are booming while kinda turtling at the same time.(remeber Crakedy mongol 5 tc build and Dvine 3tc Eng build?) This is a great start to encourage flexible strategies.
The Capital tcs didn’t get their range nerfed but only the landmarks one so Swabia and Kings Palace. In the example you showed you were at 8 range.
Yeah TCs never covered gold/stone on Gorge either :D
Love your content man, Keep up the good work. Definitely helps to watch your videos to improve my gameplay.
at 9:00 the Developer Note seems to be referring to the last patch where they reduced Springald ranged armour from 20 to 10
Byzantines are the most fun civ to play imo if you can make it to castle age and beyond, but the earlygame was so weak. Hoping the early cistern buff lets them come out of the gate faster
About Japanese Floating gate - with +2 yoroshiros could it become viable to put the first in TC immediately and cut the lead of 2TC opponent a bit? With only 4 this would hard to swallow but now with 6? +20% vill production is not the same as 2x, however collecting the resources for 2nd TC is not free either
Here for your joyous laughter and was not disappointed thanks to baby drongo bursting into the room.
I just want a unique tech for chirosophons to be able to target units in addition to buildings in a balanced way come castle age, probably with a sizeable minimum range so they can be powerful when protected but still strongly counter-able.
Not for the practicality, just for the image of using flames to break up enemy masses.
Keep up the quality work Drongo been following for a while now! 🐐🇦🇺
Any chance of some more BAR content??
Quick math, Mali's Cow consumes 90 gold and 33 wood and produces 25 food per minute. So the Buddhist Monk is equal to warrior cow, but without the landmark buff and horticulture.
liked "warrior cow" lol😂
I did some tests and found that a Buddhist monk would give 25 gold immediately after training, which is equal to 75 costs for a monk. I tried Japanese rush castle and monk booming in 4v4 and won many times
Cows don't take population space though
Omg thanks! OP Byzantines really needed that nerf! 👍
Grand winery now acts as a mill so we got that at least.
It was a massive buff
They had a massive Feudal buff, which was the area they struggled in.
Guys it's a joke! 🤣
Byz needed a buff of course.
@@renzuki5830 Dude even the Devs joked about it. Look at patch notes.
90 Minute drongo video is a big W if u ask me
The dock removed from the hotkey is the best change since the game was launched
same question with the reduced armor of the springald. lol.
I only play 2v2 me and the rest AI.
I was really struggling last night as the Japanese.
Couldn't get my Bugeisha rush out fast enough like before.
Not sure why.
The cheirosophon reddit post completely ignored the fact that they don't need to be in absolute melee range and aren't losing 97% (yes being hyperbolic) of their damage being stuck. That alone makes them worth it. DPS calculcation in a vacuum isn't everything. There is more upside as well since they kill units in front of them so you can't easily melee them down which makes them much easier to defend. I wouldn't say "Oh the 3rd and 4th ram on a barracks don't deal their full damage" a major drawback. Good luck getting 4 normal rams doing their full damage on a building that isn't 100% exposed (even then they lose dps in getting stuck on each other). If the unit was the same cost as a ram and available to all civs we would see 0 rams. Saying they are "worse than rams" is a little silly.
Oh non-capital town centers don't detect stealth and disguises, I missed that one.
What if they made rams immobile without at least 2 supply of units inside it? It makes more sense and you could make rams cost 0 supply and would basically remove late game ram spam. It may make early rushes too weak tho idk, maybe just make it work like this after castle age
I wish the devs would release ranked team games on console. Aoe2 has team ranked on console I don’t see why they can’t release to console as it seems the aoe4 player base is higher than aoe2 on console. I know many people that would play more or come back from not playing if we could play ranked teams.
Biggest nerf to Sushi has got to be removing the ability to supervise markets. That was so nice in team games! 😭 being able to spam out traders in like one or two minutes and just have gold forever.
4:13 you might be careful throwing this expression out there mate 😅
Not saying the economic heal is good, but don't fishing boat and land/sea traders all count as economic units?
Siege equipment is great but so boring to play with yeah knock down some walls, but those firework fuckers and cannons just blast regular troops. It’s rare to have a fair fight online. Would be nice to fight troops on troop not explosions.
Byzantines now will have a better start to go to fast castle maybe…..🎉🎉
do you do any coaching buddy? team or 1v1
Im getting a ton of game freezes since the Patch. The kind where only a restart helps
Can you not attack your own units? I feel like that would be better to demonstrate the crossbow effects rather than trying to do mental math.
when will start octagon ? ????
another buff to Nest of Bees???? they already way OP!!!
order of the dragons bodkin is jsut so the crossbow do same damage as before, since armor went u by 10, else bodkina rrows was useless techXD
Is coffee the new Meta ?
Coffee is alwas meta.
The ayyubids fast castle ghulam rush was so OP, its like HRE fast castle with the landmark that trains units faster and rush, miss those days.
My problem with age 4 its that French/Jean Darc , China/zhu shi and otomans are 3 civs/variant that the devs never balance well, those 3 always its above all other civs, other civs you have to play good but those 3 if you follow guides and just do no brain rush you win, broken civs that the devs never correct, I can play a fair match against all civs but those 3 always see harder tham the others not fun games, i am platinum 3 on solo and diamond 1 om group, so I am not the hightest but not a bad player too, I just like a fair long game where you see who is the true good players
Look at you crying on every video dude. lol! Get some tissues already.
@@Winterfal11 Yeah he just sucks.
@@Winterfal11 i cry but I climb the ladder iziii just got diamond 2 on solo today, use some juicy otoman siege and climb iziiii , love those broken civs au au
@@harrynayeon4270That's the way.
I agree these stupid broken rush strats like the old ayyubid one is just make boring gameplay, every game is always the same faction
I think we need even more aybuid and Abbasid nerf please devs youse your big heads again
Everytime they do patch i just know one thing that they gonna nerf my fav civs 😡
2024: still hre got no real balance changes... im maining the civ since release and this is getting really boring
My civ got destroyed. Pretty sweet!
Nope, sadly its not a mothership they added.
I was completely wrong Drongo. I thought I could talk crap about your civ because as an Abbasid main, I didn't think they could do me dirtier. I'm switching to Dune Spice Wars. Have fun with your still S tier civ =)
Welcome back when whatever you play on dune gets a nerf :)
Oh I don't main any of the 6: No real build orders in dune, all map dependent.@@renzuki5830
Most funny thing about this is that now all the people, who never learnt maths in school are crying, because they think that ottoman got buffed by springald changes lmao.
they clearly have. culvrins take 4 shots. the amount of res and pop space needed to deal with one unit late game when ottoman makes great bombards for free is noticeable.
1:12:20 Sorry drogno :)
Why nerf the Byzantines...
Spoiler: They got buffed massively.
Still no xbox team ranked everyone is gonna leave the game loads have left allrea😢
Pls HRE Buff
*Sad Kaiser noises
That will come in the next update, because they said they only wanted to focus on the DLC civs in that patch.
forts you gonna have no room for farms as japan. that map sucks
Ottomans buffed.... Sadge
How? I see them nerfed tbh. Springalds dps got higher
@@Niklas0369 age 2 landmark got 2 buffs (trade). And they've been a top 3 civ for over a year now. They should be getting nerfed
joan was already unplayable at higher ratings.. I don't see anyone playing them any more
Yeah, not sure what that was about.
I kinda feel the game will go back to Ram all ins yet again. its gonna be so bad getting rammed. I know it looks like not much and they got nerfed on the hp etc etc. but... i have a feeling age of rams will be back shortly.
Also this patch is a huge buff to ottomans and china and i think byz will be S tier at the very least
So OOTD is still trash. Let's wait another 1 month
I mean it never was trash and it also got buffed. Could be a skill issue.
@renzuki5830 lol. All top players say that OOTD is trash 1v1. Lack of skill too? What is your rank in ladder man?
@@alekseykosyanenko5996 I literally just repeated the exact words of beastyqt to you. So "all the top players" is already blatantly false. Which top player exactly said OOTD was trash ? I am watching quite a few and never heard that.
The order needs stronger/more pop efficient military not eco buffs.
Drongo for American president 2024. He Can fix the border issue with palisade walls. 2 outposts and a couple archers. He will stimulate our economy with 3 relics in the bank. 1 house per villager. Free Healthcare , free food, free gold and free wood for all
Nerf the only competitive Ayyubid strat. Honestly half of the wings are unusable. Devs are you seeing this?? Come on fellas.
don't Ayyubids usually get defeated once they lose their only early rush in the game? which is at their prime, they perform terribly in the late game, so I don't think nerfing the fast age wing was a smart option.
@@AaronOmar-co8bn
Yes, FC was the only good strat they had, they fall off extremely hard if the game reaches 20 Minutes.
And fact is, their other Options are extremely lackluster.
What makes this more disappointing is the fact that Zhu Xi, who are really broken (and can achieve an even faster FC than ayyubids) got a slap on the Wrist compared to Ayyubids, who basically got driven into the Woods and shot in the Head.
lol on top of that they increased feudal aggregation by buffing rams and beefing TCs RIP aybuid and abbasids. It playable anymore
@@CedricBassman I would not judge since that perhaps still early with more possible big changes.
I would honestly wait and see that maybe future balances would bring back some buffs to the Ayyubids that could possibly bring them back to the competitive level, besides that they are useless.
The game is not balance at all, the devs love china, french and otoman, variants of these too, totally broken civs and the nerfs will not be enogh,They buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard
They buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard. They love some civs and hate others, sushi legacy still broken nerfs was not that strong, french/Jean Darc broken cavalry civs. Try to climp the later with english, HRE oh right devs hate this civs so kkkkkkkkkk
Drongo ottomans don't need a nerf as they are already weak ah hahahah
WHY tell realease this game on XBOX and dont fix the great problem....make the AOE4 for FREE there is no player base !!!
Huh
It needs cross play for Xbox and PC
There is probably no playerbase because it is AoE 4 on console. Not entirely sure why you would even buy that and not expect that to happen.
Man i was really hoping for more for order of the dragon lol, such a slow civ in the first 15 min
Yeah, the devs sleep hard a lot of buff needs but no lets buff otomans 2 times because of siege buffs kkkkkkkkk they are kidding right? Otomans was totally broken civ and now its even strong my god devs balance the game, its no that hard. They hate some civs and love others
dafuq? They got buffed pretty much
@@harrynayeon4270 They buffed springalds dps. How do you see a buff for ottoman? You are just a hater.
@@Niklas0369 nah, i play 3 games with otomans today sooooo iziiii , i just put juicy stronger siege and destroy iziiii