In the Money Debit Spreads - Good Idea?

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  • Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024

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  • @JakeBroe
    @JakeBroe  3 года назад +11

    Sorry guys, my tongue gets tied sometimes talking about this stuff. I said "out of the money" a couple times when I meant "in the money". This whole video was about in the money contracts. Leave comments if you need clarification! Also check out my entire playlist on trading options here: ruclips.net/p/PLscTZuOqKWIxSZzy4ObKWDznEsCot_1HU

    • @hugorodriguez6835
      @hugorodriguez6835 3 года назад +1

      Understandable bro. Glad you were able to verify my understanding with this pinned comment. Always a pleasure watching your work!

  • @nicks8459
    @nicks8459 3 года назад +6

    Great video Jake. It seemed to me that in your example it would be better to sell the put spread (would receive $100 and risk $400) versus buying the call spread (would pay 415 to make $500) making the assumption that FB stayed above $340 until 17 September.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +2

      Yes and no! The probabilities according to delta were slightly different which is why there was a small price difference. Cheer Nick!

  • @richardvonmeyer
    @richardvonmeyer Год назад +1

    You can create a debit spread using deep itm calls. It will have a higher probability of profit. To reduce the max possible risk, you can sell otm credit spreads (provided the distance in between it's legs isn't hugher than that of the debit spread's legs). You can even totally recover that max possible risk at some point after which, any otm credit spread with a similar width will have 0 risk.

  • @donvin999
    @donvin999 3 года назад +5

    Great work Jake! I opened an ITM bear call spread on AMD today. 20% of max profit by the end of day today.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +2

      Solid vincent! I like it!

    • @donvin999
      @donvin999 3 года назад +2

      @@JakeBroe I closed it at 30% this AM would have hit 50% in another hour. 🤷‍♂️

  • @lmichaelhuang3
    @lmichaelhuang3 Год назад +1

    I've noticed for some symbols where there is less volume out of the money, I get better price spreads on itm debit spreads. That's why I put in orders for that. This was a useful sanity check.

  • @TheMadMariner
    @TheMadMariner Год назад +2

    Good job on this, explaining the basic logic of these spreads. But for me personally, I'm looking for more information on how to decide which strategy is appropriate for a given stock at a given time.

  • @ohh_mendozuhh
    @ohh_mendozuhh 2 года назад +3

    If i opened an ITM call debit spread, would I need to close out early? Or can I let it expire worthless?

  • @cfb7000
    @cfb7000 Месяц назад

    Great job on breaking this down....

  • @Highlyskeptical
    @Highlyskeptical 3 года назад +1

    My favorite tools learned here so far are the wheel, dead hand and credit spreads, the debit game seems too risky.
    Thanks for explaining these financial tools, I'm overcoming my Dunning Kruger issues!

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Nice! My video on the Iron Condor is coming later this week!

  • @AskDyor
    @AskDyor 3 года назад +2

    Great video!
    Definitely one that’ll I’ll have to watch again!

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Thanks PremiumOption! Glad you enjoyed it!

  • @zadokmotorfreight2423
    @zadokmotorfreight2423 2 дня назад

    Wow, very well done video! One question..... if you buy an ITM spread, wouldn't the short option always be at risk of assignment since you want the ITM spread to stay ITM?

  • @kanegs1
    @kanegs1 2 года назад +3

    I like credit spreads, been bitten by them in the past, you have to watch the market. I'm not a big fan of the 'negative' risk ratio though with credit spreads (risk $4 to make $1). I'd prefer other strategies out there that provide 'positive' risk ratio (risk $1 to make $3 or $4)...debit spreads, butterflies, calendars, so on. Great video though, love it!

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  2 года назад +1

      I actually agree kanegs. I did a couple credit spreads last fall and got burned hard on one. Felt like the risk to reward ratio doesn't make it worth it and I probably would rather try my luck on the other side with debit spreads. Cheers!

    • @kanegs1
      @kanegs1 2 года назад

      ​@@JakeBroe Check out Larry Gaines with PowerCycle Trading, if so inclined...he's really good with positive risk ratio trades (debit spreads, butterflies, etc.).

  • @donvanote
    @donvanote 6 месяцев назад

    Very good stuff. Couple questions- all else equal, if ex-div day is before expiry, would not the itm call debit spread be better than the equivalent put credit spread, since you WANT them to call it early, then you get the full spread pay back early? That is not an option for an otm put credit spread. Also, the percentages work out a bit better for the call debit spread vs. the equivalent put credit spread, as you are obligated a bit less $$ up front?

  • @JohnSmith-ms8nj
    @JohnSmith-ms8nj 11 месяцев назад

    assignment concerns will be a big factor in the decision whether you pick a put or call spread (inversely)

  • @alfiemiras6601
    @alfiemiras6601 Год назад

    Also, ITM vertical spread, unlike the OTM counterpart, is theta positive.

  • @marksoberay2318
    @marksoberay2318 3 года назад +1

    Keep in mind this also profits from vol expansion

  • @knm185
    @knm185 Год назад +1

    If I open an in-the-money put debit spread, can the sold put be exercised before expiration?
    What happens if this is the case? I would have to sell 100 shares of this stock?

  • @tylerborg8000
    @tylerborg8000 Месяц назад

    Any reason why you shouldn't buy the call just ITM and then sell the call way out of the money? The P/L graph for this looks amazing

  • @hakeemjones8268
    @hakeemjones8268 3 года назад +2

    Good stuff. Never thought about this

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Thanks Hakeem! Cheers!

  • @qytexui7893
    @qytexui7893 7 месяцев назад

    Isn’t the idea to get assigned and exercise the other contract to achieve the max profit? Example TSLA SELL CALL 185 BUY CALL 180 net debit of $275 max profit of $225. Ideally I want to be assigned and exercise the 180 call correct?

  • @vinceb3
    @vinceb3 Год назад

    Awesome video. Thank you for sharing your knowledge!

  • @wmbrice
    @wmbrice 2 года назад +2

    Great content, Jake. Have you ever experimented with backtesting to “optimize” deltas for spreads?

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  2 года назад +2

      Nah, I don't backtest. I just do it live. Probably not the best idea, but I've managed to do well so far.

  • @passivedividendsoptions
    @passivedividendsoptions 3 года назад

    I think I like OTM Put Credit Spreads more than ITM Debit Spreads because I can’t be exercised on my short positions in the PCS until that short strike is breached & the stock price for my short position is now in the money. However, with the call side I do feel like I am able to exit & get more of my profit sonnet compared to the PCS.

  • @bsmba1347
    @bsmba1347 Год назад

    a little tongue tied lol, but a good video, jake. i like how you highlighted the buy and sell on the option change. visuals are key when explaining anything complex.

  • @albertodeulofeu5277
    @albertodeulofeu5277 2 месяца назад

    What about theta? What if I don’t wanna be assigned and just wanna sell the spread for a profit?

  • @albertodeulofeu5277
    @albertodeulofeu5277 2 месяца назад

    So…. The stock can trade sideways and you still make money if you’re trading an ITM debit spreads?

  • @Atropin4ik
    @Atropin4ik 3 года назад +1

    Jake, the thing that you need to cover is the fact that call debit spread have risk of early assignment due short deep ITM side. Which will not be a problem cause you would have ITM long call as well. Because of that some brokers might charge higher margin requirement for the same ITM call debit vs OTM put credit spread.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Ah... that makes sense. I wasn't aware of a higher margin requirement due to the risk of early assignment. That is very useful to know. Thanks!

    • @Atropin4ik
      @Atropin4ik 3 года назад

      @@JakeBroe it would be truly helpful if you would check this statement on your account and make a comment. I cant swear I didn't possibly have anything else affecting my margin while testing. I am also using charles schwab.

  • @pjstieglmayr
    @pjstieglmayr Год назад

    Great video. Very clear explanation.

  • @sivakumaranbazhagan1672
    @sivakumaranbazhagan1672 6 месяцев назад

    What happens when these debit spreads expire in the money at expiration date. We will receive the credit right?

  • @matthewcrawley8847
    @matthewcrawley8847 3 года назад +1

    Loving the vertical spread videos. Vertical spreads and iron fly’s are my go to’s.
    Any update on the Dead Hand?

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      Hey Matthew! It's been a very boring, flat month for the S&P 500. With no volatility... the Dead Hand hasn't been doing much. I'm not losing 20% on my contracts to add another level.

  • @wess8131
    @wess8131 3 года назад +1

    Jake, I highly value your channel.
    Do you think that you can make video about what to do in this time when market is all time high and goes higher almost every session.
    How to ply such a market? No one wants to get in on top. Any option strategy addressing this kind of market?
    I’m selling cash-secured puts on SPY. At least I get better purchase price (if exercise) then buying on the top.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      Hey Wes! I have a video coming next week about bond interest yields... which I think explains a lot by the market ONLY goes up now. I think the S&P 500 is going to hit 5,000 by the end of the year before this madness ends. Selling cash-secured puts on SPY is a solid strategy. If you are comfortable with the risk, you can instead sell multiple put credit spreads on SPY. This has risk because you can lose money, but you'd be making more for the same price of a contract for a full cash secured put.

  • @fongluo677
    @fongluo677 3 года назад +1

    Great video Jake👍

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Thanks Fong! Cheers!

  • @mrwsilva1
    @mrwsilva1 3 года назад +1

    Perfect timing Jake, I literally just did an ITM call spread today with TXN, trying to get more familiar with these. Still wasn’t too clear with them, so this really helped.
    Additionally Jake, I remember a few months back you recommended some books in one of your videos. I don’t remember what video that was, but do you mind replying with those finance books you recommended?

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      Hey Mr. Silva! I haven't found a good book on options, but general finance and investing I recommend Rich Dad Poor Dad by Robert Kiyosaki, Unshakeable by Tony Robbins, The Little Book of Common Sense Investing by Jack Bogle, and How to Make Friends and Influence People by Dale Carnegie.

    • @mrwsilva1
      @mrwsilva1 3 года назад

      @@JakeBroe That’s awesome Jake, thank you for that!

    • @markbaier8218
      @markbaier8218 2 года назад

      Get Rich with Options by Lee Lowell really helped me.

  • @JacksonWelch
    @JacksonWelch 3 года назад +1

    Awesome video jake!

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Thanks for watching Jackson! Cheers!

  • @torontoinoneday5605
    @torontoinoneday5605 Год назад

    Hi Jake, Can we do Buying a Call option ITM/ATM and sell a Call option OTM? Abrahm

  • @Red-Eagle
    @Red-Eagle 2 года назад

    So is a debit spread one or two day trades?

  • @torontoinoneday5605
    @torontoinoneday5605 Год назад

    What can happen if the width of the spread is increased?

  • @marksoberay2318
    @marksoberay2318 3 года назад

    Very nice thx

  • @leejmuam1
    @leejmuam1 3 года назад

    Hi Jake.
    Question. So delta measures the probability of ITM by expiration date and the rate of option price change per $1 in the u/l stock?
    I'm guess I trying to take in too information and I got confused 🤔.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      Yes, delta has two purposes. It measures the rate of change in the premium of the contract for every $1 change in the share price of the company and according to the black-schols formula, it roughly measures the probability of a contract expiring in the money.

  • @romeoking3191
    @romeoking3191 19 дней назад

    on that FB debit ITM spread why you didn't buy to open the 335 strike and sell to open the 330 strike. I though debit spreads are buying the strike closest to the stock price and selling another further from the stock current price. You lost me there. this is discussed 6:52 in the video.

  • @misaelarredondo7933
    @misaelarredondo7933 3 года назад

    3:45 “who the heck is buying in the money call contracts” me. I only buy in the money call contracts. Unless you do a leap I would never buy out of the money call contracts and honestly especially with a leap i would still go super deep in the money. What do you think Jake? Do most people buy OOTM? I’ve never understood why or is there an advantage besides being cheaper? What do you buy with leaps Jake?

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  2 года назад

      Buying in the money contracts (anywhere or anytime) cost more, but your chance of success is greater and your risk of loss is less. I personally prefer out of the money contracts, but I know for large traders looking to take advantage of spread difference, they'll buy in the money contracts.

  • @wingzero8986
    @wingzero8986 3 года назад

    good video jake, keep it up. but where is the dead hands!

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      It's been a boring, flat month for the S&P 500... not a lot happening with my Dead Hand account

  • @robertmarsico493
    @robertmarsico493 3 года назад

    Jake What page are you demonstrating on? that layout for Options is nice.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Hey Robert! I just use Charles Schwab's website!

    • @robertmarsico493
      @robertmarsico493 3 года назад

      @@JakeBroe Jake, thanks for all your videos they help us all.

  • @ubgradde8917
    @ubgradde8917 3 года назад

    Thoughts on VGT vs other popular ETFs?

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      It's just more heavily weighted on the tech giants compared to the S&P. Probably performs better when the market is going up, and performs worse when the market is going down. Cheers Christian!

  • @willgordon5737
    @willgordon5737 Год назад

    Options are such a brain twister. It takes months to get used to them

  • @venician2face
    @venician2face Год назад

    Yeah, I think you missed the point of trading in the money spreads.

  • @craigchambers4183
    @craigchambers4183 3 года назад

    Trying to think how I can watch this video in reverse. :-) Looking for ITM Credit spreads next. Did one today in MRO buying the Aug 13 Put Strike of 12 and selling the Aug 13 Put Strike of 12.5 for a credit of 37 and risk of 12. Maybe I am all mixed up, but I have your graphics on my desktop and would maybe call this an ITM Bull Put Credit Spread.

    • @craigchambers4183
      @craigchambers4183 3 года назад

      In the meantime, however, I am by far sticking to the Wheel cause I do understand it well now.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад

      Uhhhh, an ITM credit spread would mean you would lose max value past the premium received unless the share price moves. An ITM credit spread has the same risks and probabilities as OTM debit spreads. You NEED share price movement.

    • @craigchambers4183
      @craigchambers4183 3 года назад

      ​@@JakeBroe My price is in profit between 12.12 and 12.50, maxing out there at +$37 and stays max over that. My loss begins at 12.11 and maxes out the loss below there at -$12. That is what the broker shows on the "curve," and before I traded it showed the same figures. So yes, I only make money if it moves north, which it has so far. I have 50% profit showing already (though if it falls that goes away). I will close it Friday at the latest as you warn to do.

  • @Grimzy-
    @Grimzy- 2 года назад

    Video starts at 3:50

  • @thomaswinter739
    @thomaswinter739 3 года назад

    Good idea, but honestly the way you explained it, if I didn't already know how to do this, I wouldn't understand your explanation.

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      Yeah… not easy to explain. This video maybe could have been better.

    • @thomaswinter739
      @thomaswinter739 3 года назад

      @@JakeBroe you did better than I could do, some topics are just more difficult than others. Keep it up man

  • @ronaldlipp1293
    @ronaldlipp1293 3 года назад

    You are get too complicated for me to follow

    • @JakeBroe
      @JakeBroe  3 года назад +1

      This is pretty complicated, advanced stuff Ronald! Probably WAY MORE info that options traders need to know. I'm just making the video for those who might want it. Cheers!