Leaking Worcester Greenstar Flow Sensor/ Adaptor. Heating geeks boiler repair
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- A quick repair on a Worcester Greenstar.
Most engineers will have got this wrong the first time!! I know I did.
Turn up with a flow sensor and leave with your tail between your legs.
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People like yourself deserve a medal and if by chance I ever meet you I’ll buy you a beer and shake your hand. Your video saved me a couple of hours of head scratching. Thanks buddy
Thanks. I'm glad it helps. This catches everyone out the first time. :-)
Top bloke for sharing this, my cheese sensor like most completely turned to fondu. The only mistake I made was when I struggling to get the clip back in and realised that I was trying to fit 2 'O' rings between the flow turbine adapter and the flow sensor! Otherwise not too bad, the silicon grease helps to seat the adapter and there is a definite clunk when it's in place. Leak sorted and as per the commentary, the hot water seems to arrive faster at the tap due to the flow restrictor working properly.
mmmmmm cheese. :-)
Top tip for any newbies like me; the large o-ring on the adaptor needs to slide all the way over the (cheese) nut then over the plastic lip. I had it the nut side of the lip first try and so it would not click in to the housing; DOH. Managed the clip after ten attempts by pushing the copper and sensor part back and wiggling the long side of clip into the right side first which then helped getting it down and in on the left side. Unfortunately the grey wire other side of connector popped out so given sensor had no power the boiler did not provide hot tap water; obviously the job of the sensor to prevent a burnout if no water, so stripped bit of the outer doubles it up and pushed it back in; et voila hot tap water once again. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for this video!
We sprang a leak last weekend and it had got worse over the week. A friend shared a link to this video, I investigated and found that I had the same problem. £8 and a few days later my boiler is back in full operation with no leaks!
Cheers!
No problem.
Brilliant vid, I had the same problem, couldn't believe when I took it apart the flow restrictor housing was disintergrated (took out with minimal force) with half of it left behind in the tube, shocking quality, your video was very helpful, it's now working like a dream, they really need to make more of their parts from metal
Worcester Cheese.
Many thanks for this... i was able to order the part and sort out the leak i had with relative ease thanks to this excellent step by step vid. You sir are a Gent :)
Alaways awkward ! That pin is a joke and why they didn’t re design that adaptor with brass is one reason I don’t fit Worcester unless I have to. I spoke to Worcester once and asked them why and there reason was cost ! To patch it up with the green rubber jacket over the diverter motor just says it all. Poor
Hi heating geek Keith again with Worcester 28cdi have now replaced diverter valve and everything seams fine took 3 hours . Dismantled the old valve to see what problem was.turned out to be one of the small cir-clips on the diaphragm, the inner one, had broken off allowing the weeker small spring to hold out the rod onto the micro switch.again I thank you for your reassurance, and a merry Christmas
Glad you got it sorted. Hopefully it will give you a good few more years of service. Good boilers but a pain to work on.
What a hero bloke for putting on such a detailed video!
excellent video, just done the repair after ordering the parts at a grand total of £11!! now I have spare spare o rings if anyone wants them!! Thanks man
“We’ll pretend the boiler wasn’t on the whole time” 😂 love that
Yeah, whoops.... ;-) I didn't see this comment 2 year ago.
Great advice again Geek, we have many contract companies that can not find this leak = new boiler, well it is over 10 years old say Worc.
i love that you charged them £3 for parts , what a Gent
Thank you so much I followed your instructions and now my boiler is working
Thanks mate..I usually avoid Worcester but it is a friend's boiler.. I was able to replace the adapter with confidence.. and you're right about the 'cheese' and need for a pick.. I enjoy your uploads and I'm learning all the time(33 years)😂
MMM Cheese. The flow adaptors are shit.
Very good video.
I changed one of these adaptors today for the first time and thanks to this I did not find it at all daunting.
Thank you for sharing this.
Rob
RW Gas Services,Manchester
I have an older model, without the green plastic cover over the diverter valve motor, and when the flow sensor/flow restrictor leaks the water goes onto the motor/actuator. This meant that the diverter valve actuator wasn't operating, and resulted in no CH, luckily I managed to repair it by just pulling out the diverter valve motor, dismantling it and then lubricating the seized bearing with WD40, this cured the problem and saved £50 for a new motor :)
I usually just shake the crap out of them and they start to work straight away. I have had to replace a few though. Great engineering the green cap. ;-/
Thanks mate for the help and for showing us that black German cheese is useless for use in boilers
Sorry I didn’t respond to this comment. I didn’t see it in my feed. :-(
So common, love this fault. Small apprentice hands fit in there nicely for the clip/pin. Great vid!
I missed this comment. Sorry. :-)
Perfect mate. Just done mine. Exactly as you describe. The plastic nut turned to dust.
The cheese nut turned to cheeeeeeeesseee. Good job.:-)
Brilliant video and really informative. Just had one fitted today by gas safe guy. Did a cracking job. That part is so poorly made.
I know. Really poor quality plastic. Glad ypu got it sorted.:-)
Excellent video really helped and yep it solved the problem, I was a bit baffled as the inner fixed section does not look like and engineered finish, it looked like remnants of the broken part until I re-watched you video and saw yours was the same. Many thanks.
No problem. Im glad it helped. :-)
Thank you brilliant video
Excellent help, saved myself £s. Bloody German cheese plastic in mine as well. Thanks for your help.
Hey, many thanks for this video. It helped diagnose the problem. Hopefully I will be able to get the part today amd fix the dripping water sorry to hear about your phone.
Sorry I didn’t respond to this comment. I didn’t see it in my feed. :-(
One of the best plumber channels on RUclips. Period!. You're doing a great job, keep em coming!
Nice one. Thanks :-)
Well explained 👌 thank you 🙏
Thank good commentary and one handed experienced pluming well done
Thanks. Its hart to film and do at the same time. :-)
I did my flow manifold 2 years ago. Was quoted 400 quid. I bough the part for 25 quid and did it in 2 hours. If I were doing them regularly then I'd get it done in 1 hour. Today another crappy plastic leak. Was quote 150 quid.Bought the part for 5 quid. I recon 20 min job. As long as I'm not breaking into the gas line and all I'm doing is isolating water and the job is obvious then I'm good to go. Of course if you are unsure then pay a professional to come out.
This part can be a pig. The clip can be a pain to get back in. Im sure I must mention it in the video. Remember you need to open up the combustion chamber to access anything so make sure you get it closed back up.
Good job. Little tip, next time either remove the diverter valve or cover it up to stop it failing when water drips on it. Also before you pull out the adapter wd40 the adapter and move it from side to side working the wd40 in. Less likely to fall apart when you try and take it out. 👍🏻
That is not advisable. If you squirt WD 40 into potable water connections you will contaminate the water supply and have broken water regulations.
Come on guys play nicely...
Can you use Vaseline instead of grease?
I’ve got a small leak from the screw that’s you turned to open the water feed to the boiler. Any ideas?
Love your vids, as a late starting 'Newbie setting up on my own, your vids help me put the knowledge into practice, thank you. You seem to have everything in your van no matter what's throw at you, can you (or anyone)recommend a van stock? Don't need consumables, hardware or tooling just to be able to turn up and do the job and not make a trip to the merchants all the time. Keep em coming
I cant really recommend a van stock as it depends what boilers you see. I see a lot of Vaillant and Worcesters so keep bits for them. Also I follow other engineers a lot so they will order parts for me to collect.
Thanks for sharing, we are at least glad the phone din't go in the bucket.
I learn a lot from you.
Yep!!!! Could of been worse!!!
Anyone know of plumbers like this honest, knowledgeable person in the BURNLEY area. Please respond.
Good luck. Hope you get it sorted.
Cheers buddy. A plumber has just left, he diagnosed it as the air pump? Will get it tomorrow for either £36 or £44 and charge £40 for labour. Does the diagnosis and cost seem fair?
@@peesib I don't even know what an air pump is on a boiler. Must be crossed wires on whats wrong. £40 for labour is very cheap.
Sorry, automatic air vent(no.43 on manual) I think as I’ve just seen it on the Worcester Greenstar 25i manual online. It had what looked like a nozzle head. That is what he said was cause of leakage. I just hope he can sort it out. Seriously, I just forget how much is available online as I was born in 1975 when I started working there was no internet so always been a technophobe. After watching a few of your vids today and reading comments, I am seriously thinking of attending a short course on boilers as it’s the most costly household item and between me, my brothers and sisters there’s always summat going wrong with the boilers, must be a family curse!
@@peesib For an AAV thats fair money. Hopefully he gets it sorted for you.
It was great help.. thanks
No problem. :-) Are you doing one?
Please, please can someone advise as to how I could go about doing a 2/3 day course just enough to identify problems, sort out water level etc...not a proper college course just an intense plumbing course, don’t mind paying at all. Will save loads in long run, seriously, I don’t think you’ll ever know how depressed I was feeling today until the ‘good’ (I hope) plumber turned up at 9pm.
these small tips are very helpful. just this week i ended up changing a programmer because of the relay. i learnt this from your video thanks
Dude what about drake 🙈
What??
Yeah wtf lol who’s drake
Heat Service bwc uk . Im still lost. Is it playing in the background or something??
Heat Service bwc uk . I cant be assed to watch the video again!!!
Hi mate, would you be able to tell me where i can get a new flow sensor pipe? I am wondering now if while i forced it out i bent it…which is why i had so much trouble putting it back in and its still leaking.
Cant seem to find one online.
Great Vid. Did one of those yesterday. Went in blind and guessed the manifold but no, will carry one of these in case now. Do prefer Baxi for repairing. so much space in the duos and new baxi 600 and 800's, Brass components rule.
Brass components do rule. But plastic crap pay the bills :-)
@@HeatingGeek yes very true.😂 Keep up the good work👍
Love how you refer to the cheap German plastic as cheese 😄
Its yummy ;-)
They've started to put a boot over the divertor valve now to keep it dry .. another brill video
Nice video , wish I had this video at hand the first time I did one
Me too!! ;-)
Thankyou for this, still usefull, just saved me a wet night till landlord's decide.
Have you ever had a flow sensor go faulty without any leaks?
yes,
Hi mate got a question for u. Worcester greenstar 30i. Heating is fine but no hot water. I have diagnosed it as the diverter stuck in heating mode and or the dhw sensor. Any ideas or tips to confirm what the problem is? Thanks
Test them. I have a video on how to test 3 wire flow sensors and the diverter is simple to look at. This is the flow sensor video.
ruclips.net/video/G4bO8MYqQKk/видео.html
I did have one on the worcester but never up loaded it and cant find it now.
I fit Intergas not WB tupperware. Got booked on one of these junior poc's today and whish I'd watched this vid first. What a PITA! Changed the turbine adaptor only to discover return block had a pinhole and had to change the whole thing! Cut my hands to shreds and broke my phone screen just like you did grrrrrr.
Phone screens could be better TBH. Worcester are ok..... :-)
Lol. Nothing worse than having to work on/change parts in a boiler that my boiler of choice just doesn't have or need 😜
Top man. Great information and vid. Careful with your new screen fella👍🏽
Long gone now. New phone better edits. :-)
Did you replace the fibre washer on the pipe going to the mounting block? If so what size and PN? Thanks
Sorry I didn’t respond to this comment. I didn’t see it in my feed. :-(
Would this sensor be responsible for no hot water? I get preheated water from the hot tap for a minute or so then It goes cold
Yes it would. Sorry for the late reply.
Great video…thanks so much for sharing. Really helped. Unfortunately in my case it was still leaking after the change? Im pretty sure ive done something wrong but not sure where. Seems like i did everything the same as this vid.
Is it normal for the sensor pipe to be put back in with full force while trying to at the same time insert the clip back in. This part was a nightmare for me and just as long as the the rest of the job. Which is why i was even more gutted when the leake didnt stop. Repeated the process for good measure but still leaked.
One thing i didnt need to do was undo the bottom nut of the sensor pipe….didnt need to as the top part pulled out with a little twist and turn.
Any advice from anyone would be much appreciated.
Why is the first comment always I hate Worcester. I've never had any issue that I couldn't easily fix on a Worcester you guys just got to do the training. Piece of cake when you know how
All boilers are easy once you have done them a few times. Worcester are sharp and cut your hands to bits if you're not careful. :-)
Thanks for sacrificing your phone screens for us!
I can fit new ones myself now!!! Its all because of youtube...
top man you will be fixing watches next
Hi great video thank you my question my boiler is constantly making water and discharge through the PRV valve which I have replaced it is not the filling loop the cold water mains inside the boiler has condensation and with a screwdriver I can here water flowing with hot tap off in the house boiler is a greenslave oil burner
Mains water is getting into the heating system somehow. Look for older filling loops left on the system. The condensation in the boiler points to the mains water continuously running through the boiler. This could be a manifold that has failed or the plate heat exchanger. I suggest you listen to these items. What is a green slave? Greenstar heatslave?
@@HeatingGeek thank you I disconnected the filling loop so will listen to the others thanks again
@@andrewmclaren6189 Good luck with it. I hope you get it sorted.
Thanks very much.
You're welcome!
Cheers dude
Glad you like it. Sorry for the late reply.
@@HeatingGeek no need to apologise, busy time of year
Have just fitted mixer taps in kitchen and have Worcester 28cdi boiler now diverter valve is constantly pushing against micro switch carnt understand why have bled system and even isolated the new taps but problem still remains anybody any ideas Thanks
If you turn the stopcock off to the house does it go back in?? Is the hot pipe under the boiler hot? If so you could have caused a leak under the floor or something. Let me know.
Great Video helped out my plumber to fix the exact same problem, on my greenstar 24i junior, CH works but hot water is tepid unless a slow flow, have to turn off CH to have a decent shower, diverter valve motor piston moves as it should, water doesnt cut out so he thinks the HE plate is ok, any ideas .Thanks
Check flow rate and gas rate. Your answer is in the results of the tests.
Hi All, Our hot water has stopped today (Heating still works) noticed water dripping from the boiler and it's coming from here. Would this be why we have no hot water? I'm pretty handy, would this be a DIY job or do I need to get a professional in?
This repair requires the combustion chamber seal being broken. The boiler then needs the combustion setting up. This is definitely a job for the pros.
A good lesson about cheese boiler
You legend. Never would of guess that fucking o ring goes behind the thread !!!
how much part cost
Keep the vids coming!!
I will try. Its a bit busy at the moment!!!
Great helps this cheers
Glad it helps
Had 2 of these in 2 days 😂
do I have to isolate the loop fill and house stop cock for this job as I'm willing to give it a go ?
To do it you have to open the combustion chamber so I cant help you. Its not a job you should attempt yourself. Please get someone to do it for you. Even qualified engineers struggle with replacing this part as it can be very difficult.
Why the Gas Safety check after a non gas related part replacement bruv?
Is it just part of your fixed price labour charge?
Another great vid for those who have not come across these situations.
keep up the good work. Always an informative view
Thank you so much for this, the bit about the diverter valve switch was crucial to me as I couldn't understand why 2 faults had happened at the same time; the leak and (apparently) the diverter valve.
Is there a way in which I could contribute to the cost of the replacement screen for your phone?
Glad It made sense to you. Its common to happen. The iPhone is no more!!! Lost/stolen. Just keep watching and sub. :-) Thanks
is there an o ring at the front ????, as I have put one on and cannot get the clip back in as there is no room for the pin to go through, also I have tried with out but it just leeks
Yes there is. Have you made sure all the old one is out? The front clip is a pig to get back in. :-) I couldn't get it in on camera. Its tough. :-)
So there is supposed to be an o ring at the front where it meets the plate? I wonder why the adapter only comes with 2 o rings in the pack? Looks like I'll be going back 😂
@@rw3095 Yes one behind the nut and one on the back. It is very difficult to get the clip back in after the parts go back together. :-)
The 1 i worked on had an extra o ring at the front of the turbine adaptor where it joins to the plate hex. Also the flow restrictors were missing. I'm guessing with the restrictors missing then it shortens the overall length of the flow turbine slightly and previous engineer had tried to compensate. Thanks
If that flow adaptor snaps on pulling it out how can i get the rest of it out
A screwdriver or a pick. I use a pick.
Great video, would have been good to show how you put the flow sensor clip back in though as for anyone doing this for their first time will take longer doing that then changing the part lol
Your so right. :-). I need 2 hands to that. :-)
Great video - thanks :)
Thanks. :-)
I like the engineering of Wb...so that leaks and causes issues with the motor below...how to resolve ? Put a green cover over the motor that gets wet ! Genius ! Or Prv change...take the boiler off the wall ! And these are Which's best in show !
It keeps us in work.
What’s the first things u did, close the main valve and the unscrew the pipe and run hot tap ? Is it for draining the boiler?
Isolate the mains and open the hot tap. Then undo the nut and take out the clip. etc etc. :-)
When it's all back together the clip will be very difficult to get in.
@@HeatingGeek exactly, I'm spending an hour to put back the clip, any tip adv?
Nemo Sala I found putting the longest side of the clip in the right hand side first a little then just open it a little to push the left down into its hole. Worked a treat the times I’ve changed this part. Sorry if I pushed in with a suggestion there.
@@nimasala8764 welcome to the club. :-)
another good vid mate , them retaining clips are nightmare little tip is you struggle with them file the tips at a slight angle as the go in better with a little tip have seen myself spend over an hour just on them clips usually when in a cupboard when boiler poor access
yes been there on that one lol
If you struggle to get that clip in there is a good chance the silencers are not fitted correctly in the adapter therefore the whole assembly is slightly proud which makes fitting the clip very difficult.
@@Pro-nj4uu ...Silencers !! ????
I've changed the same part, the way Worcester make their boilers baffles me, cheap parts that once become faulty are a bit time consuming to change.
Yes, its a strange thing on a "premium" boiler...
Hi have turned stopcock off diverter valve still pressing against micro switch when taps turned on boiler lights and hot water is there, central heating has now gone . I need to turn boiler off at mains electric each time I use hot water cus heating pump gets really hot 🥵 even when boiler not fired.another mystery. Have had local plumber round had he’s sure it’s the diverter valve. Thanks
If its still out when the stopcock is off then its the diverter.
The pump is getting red hot because its running forever (because of the diverter). Good luck hope it goes well.
HeatingGeek hi thanks for your reply I have ordered a diverter valve but at same time its nice to have reassurance of a professional I will fit it when I get it.i did it about 2years ago but only replaced the diaphragm so I am hoping it will come apart a bit easier thanks again
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@@keithmatthews9043 good luck. They can be a pig!!
@@keithmatthews9043 Thanks. You know these comments are on a video of a Greenstar. I guess your talking about a CDi RSF. Im sure thats where we started talking!!!
Great vidoe especially the cheese
Mmmmmmm Cheeeeese.
hi how much would you charge for this job....
I charge a fixed fee for labour for any repair.£150 plus parts. So the total cost would be 170
Worcester should include spare free flow sensor and return manifold and flow manifold included in the box when they send the boiler out from the factory.
So much plastic cheese in that boiler. Keeps us busy though. :-)
Hi ! Gas engineer from Romania here , any videos of Immergas / Ariston / Ferroli classic or condensing boilers ?
Thanks and have a great day ! I can share things i've fixed during the 5 years of boiler service , if needed.
no Intergas at the moment. If i get the chance I will film one.
i would strongly advise anyone who fits Worcester boilers to fit a shock arrester on the mains inlet to reduce problems with poor quality manifolds and flow reducers .
Or fit a Vaillant that don't seem to have the poor plastic issue.
Hiya Pete... just randomly spotted you hear! 😄
Just done one today , £5.41 from Parts Center
Thats too expensive. :-)
Those Wooshitter Botch boilers and their cheap plastic parts. But, the boilers aren't cheap to buy - much more than other better boilers. The customers always say "Which Magazine always rates them highly". Hmm. Thanks for another excellent one, HG.
Thanks :-)
What grease did you use please?
Silicone grease.
👊😎 great vid!
Thanks for watching it. :-)
Mate my screen on my iPhone is shagged again too ! Had the phone just over a year aswell this will be 3rd cannot be arsed to keep changing them now ! Always use it a a torch and end up dropping it. Can’t they make a screen that won’t break !
They can but that would be like making a boiler that didn't leak!!!
No jobs for us and Worcester wouldn't sell any flow adaptors. (Vaillant wouldn't sell diverters etc etc).
Very true. whether Worcester designed that part to fail I don’t know. Ecotec diverters like wise At the price it sells for I wouldn’t think it would be worth tarnishing reputation for something that is so cheap cost wise. Then again high volumes of failures even at 2 quid profit is still good business for them. Flow adaptors that is.
Heat Service bwc uk Yeah its pretty bad really.
You think they would update stuff and move the issue onto other bits. (Vaillant). The diverter has leaked since 2004 and still leeks alll the time.
@@HeatingGeek have you tried any of the non-Vaillant repair kits for the ecotec diverter valves yet ?
@@paulkramer2599 Yes I have. I have a video coming soon about them. I done the filming before Christmas........
hate that metal retaining clip with a passion..I always fit a green cover onto the stepper motor it has a slope on it to let the water run off!!! pure quality
Its like they know its a problem. ;-)
HeatingGeek I stand corrected I fitted a service kit to a baxi 80he instant diverter section/bypass onto the vessel today it was has to be the worst design ever
Darren Hooper. The one with the two pipes onto the vessel?
I cant ever remember doing one. Probably blocked it out!!!
The new cheese is there 😂 quality
The clip is a pain... can’t seem to get it in properly ..
Yes, it is. Has to go at a slight angle to get it in. ;-0
I need one of those in USA, and it costs $310. I might just get an electric water heater.
Where's the pink rag? Great video. £3 for parts, outstanding.
Pink rag was there Im sure. Just a cameo for it on this one. Easy job this. except the clip.
WORCESTER boilers are shit full stop good video though
How do we know it's The flow sensor leaking
It's not usually the flow sensor. Usually the flow adaptor behind the sensor.
@@HeatingGeek ok will write that down
Sweet. 😇
Thanks. :-)
Superb again what type grease do you use.
This is the exact stuff I use. I didn't know how expensive it was!!!!
Silicone grease amzn.to/2Rnls4F
👍 exspensive thnx.
@@adamsala9291 Im sure you can get smaller tubes or cheaper stuff.
Can't get the clip back on and that why im here grrrr
Its on by now I hope. :-) Let me know
Overpriced plastic shite. great vid!
I see you are enlightened. :-)
Worcester can’t even give me the right loom bought a new pcb board and it came with a loom but it wasn’t for this boiler I phoned there technician phone line to be told it was correct and I was fitting it wrong so I asked if it was the correct loom why is there plugs missing no flow sensor plug no diverter plug no gas valve plug no slow running pump plug as thick as shit
I have had the same problem. Several times
Just paid £140 and feel ive been add off... Gutted I never seen this before hand....
Why? Thats fair money.