The new Cyclone e-bike motor kit: A Total Game Changer!
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- www.johnnynerdout.com
I love this motor, but beware it is not for the faint of heart! Not even close to street legal, loud, and difficult to install for the first-timer. But boy is it worth it if you want all-out performance!
Johnny, I want to thank you for your very informative video's, I was going to buy a hub drive e-bike for $1000 and decided to do some further research when I came across your channel and seen your hub motor vs. mid drive motor comparison, I then watched your video that said the perfect e-bike is probably already in your garage and decided to do a conversion on my full suspension mountain bike that I've had for 25 years, I picked up a bafang 750w mid drive with a 48v 13ah battery for $800 from a Vegas e-bike supplier and installed it myself in less than 2 hours, the very informative video's that you put out really helped me make my decision and have been enjoying my rides every day in a very mountainous terrain in AZ for the past 4+ months, Thank's again for the awesome information and video tutorials, God Bless and thanks to all of our Veterans in the USA.
Glad I could help 😀👍
God bless sir 👊👊💪💪
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"not even close to street legal" That's a good thing.
Cool stuff Johnny, can't wait to see follow up videos of the cyclone motor in action!
Four of those, one per wheel, four wheel steering, lithium iron phosphate, four to six gears per wheel. 12 kw. total…. “Inner city delivery.”
The motor case is still too round. It needs to have mounting support with holes so the motor can be mounted under the down tube with two U bolts.
I agree. It's still essentially just a basic standard motor strapped to a bike. Crude. Fun, but crude. I love how well designed and polished the CYC X1 is, but the pricetag reflects that (pun intended).
Great video and good explanation of the motor. Reading through the comments here I think a lot of people are missing the point of what this thing really is. This is not your typical run around town dart through the city ebike setup. This is a serious power motor for people that want to take their bike on dirt trails hills lots of torque very aggressive. If you're looking to just cruise around the city a decent speeds I would stick to the Bafang setup. But, if you want a serious adrenaline machine, this is your huckleberry! Different motors for different riders! 😎
Absolutely and great point 😀👍
Still haven't seen anything to compare to my mid-drive build with the CYC X1 Stealth. Quite a bit smaller and much more flexibility in mounting options. Comes with programmable 5 or 9 levels of pedal assist with a torque sensor. At the push of a button you can switch between road and race mode. You can program the road mode to be street legal in whatever country you are in and when off road switch to race mode. My gravel build comes in under 55lbs with a 52V/21Ah battery. 74kph on the flats in race mode with more speed available if I switch to a 72V battery to get 2,500 watts. I also added the Box Components Box 2 eBike drivetrain and I can climb anything. And we just built a couple of folding bikes with the same motor. It fits inside the small frame triangle like a glove vertically. Most people wouldn't even realize it was an electric build, depending on battery choice. We've got a 12.8Ah rear rack battery version and a 14Ah Super Shark top tube battery option. Bikes weigh in under 40lbs. Wish I could post a picture of them. Nicest looking folding bikes on the planet. Very stealthy.
Hi, very interested in the CYC stealth for a hardtail build. What sort of suspension are you running on your gravel setups? Mostly interested in city roads and light gravel trails and if full suspension is worth a new frame
@@zakwhiting1758 Hi Zak. I just got back from a ride. Actually, second ride today. First run to the store, but I forgot my cream for my coffee so, darn, I had to ride back into town. I love my hard tail. If I replaced this 12-year-old bike I would have to spend about $2,000 to get the same frame, brake, and shock quality. It just has a lower end Rock Shox front wheel setup. I ride mostly city roads, light gravel, and fairly groomed trails. So pretty much what you describe. If, after close to 3,000 km on my cyc build, I were to do anything different I would add a really good seat post suspension post saddle. They can set you back up to $500. Do I need it? No. Would it improve my quality of life? YES. My 65-year-old ass would appreciate it, but I haven't pulled the trigger on it yet. Which motor model are you considering? I think the CYC Stealth is the perfect combo of power and function. I ride mostly in street mode at pedal assist level 1 or 2. And with up to 9 levels of pedal assist there is a ton of headroom. I put it in race mode sometimes when climbing the mountain trails here, but again these are pretty much groomed trails. Really steep in places, but groomed. The one thing I would recommend considering is the Box components Box 2 ewide drive train if you have just a standard bike that you are converting. I think that was one of my best decisions. Damn bike can climb a wall.
I should add, I live on a mountain. I climb a lot. I love climbing. Even more with a motor. :) I'm working on getting another interview with Jon, the founder of CYC Motors. I want to get an update from him. It'll be on my TotalHealth magazine channel.
"Put this thing on a Velomobile and you could go like 40 mph" ...
Lol, a velo will do 40mph with a 250w motor. You can do highway speed with a 750w. Not that I would want to that with bike level components mind you.
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@@JohnnyNerdOut To be clear, I'm talking about the "land torpedo" performance oriented Velomobiles like a WAW, Rotovelo, Milan or Quest (to name a few).
Utility focused Velomobiles are a different story, like the ELF, Pedalist or PEBL. They are about getting from A-to-B with weather protection at a more sedate pace while hauling a load of passengers or groceries.
@@Shindinru ah, I see 👍😀
Johnny NerdOut is the Will Prowse of electric bikes, really knowledgeable and really into it. I feel his energy.
Changes everything? Sounds like a whole lot of overkill for an EBike.
At max power, I agree
Hey Johnny my name is Jeremy and I have some questions for you as I'm a rook to this and was wondering what the best way to contact so I could ask a few questions on what I should buy wise
Head over to my website! you can ask me quick questions via message, or book a consultation :)
@@JohnnyNerdOut ok I can do that
Sorry to go back to bafang. Google what bracket size is a cannondale trail 7. Answer- BSA, 73mm, threaded, sealed cartridge. With this be an straight forward easy install? Please let me know. Thanks for all your knowledge. Bike list at $700
A game changer? Ebikes need cast rear wheels and motorcycle chains or belts. The two weakest parts on a bicycle are the wheels and drivetrain. To use a bicycle wheel and a bicycle drivetrain for an ebike with more than 100 watts of power is a nightmare of problems and danger. These mid-drives are 750 to 1000 watts, you need heavy gage spokes twice as thick as what you have or a cast wheel and a motorcycle belt or chain. I destroy conventional bikes simply riding them, spokes break, chains and gears wear out, tires wear out, cables wear out. To put this in automobile language: who would buy a car that at 3000 miles you will have to replace 6 tires, the driveshaft, the differential, and all the wheels? And you would have had 10 flat tires by then unless you invested in tires that cost $700.00 each. Bicycles are weak, don't make high power Ebikes out of them. I am waiting for a 150-watt Motor with 5 levels of boost so I can run with just 25-50 watts. IF you want more power buy a motorcycle, it will be much safer, much cheaper, pollute less, and last much, much, MUCH longer. Ebikes today are disposable items, I have a friend from church with $3000.00 invested in an Ebike but is sitting in his garage as a brick, dead with the manufacturer out of business and no way to get a new battery. I told him he will have to buy a spot welder and build his own battery, he looked at me like I was crazy. Ebikes are not ready for consumers yet at a price or quality or value, or safety level we deserve.
I have the cyclone kit from a few years ago. I'm going to get the new controller and display. My question is I'd like to install it on an adult tricycle direct to the rear axle and want to know what size chainring you would recommend? Thanks 🙏
Recently bought a micargi Seattle stretched Fat Tire Bike was looking to put a 4-stroke motor but don't want the noise can you recommend a motor kit that I don't have to peddle much but will be strong fast and battery will last. I like the kit that you put on the mountain bike with the fat tires could you direct me to maybe purchasing that one thank you
I don’t want street legal. Screw that.
You might be a cyclone guy.
You are hilarious!😂 Except for us nerds that know what you have in your lap, most folks would see that is as a big mess of wires and a motor, and a a lcd screen. You are too funny. You are definitely a real nerd Johnny! Your enthusiasm is contagious!😁 Please don’t kill yourself. We all know that you are not going to fire your wife! She not the assistant, you should know…..shusssss ……you are the assistant! Hopefully you’ll figure it out sooner than I did!😂
I have a Bafang and after changing the settings it has 9 levels, not 3. That Cyclone looks beefy as but I reckon it would tear my Marlin 7 apart! lol. My Luna 750w 52v is plenty enough to get me up serious hills. That thing must be made for climbing Everest!
Ya it’s pretty insane. Borderline novelty powerful
is the physical motor any different than the old 3kw cyclone???? I know they know make longer more powerful versions of that motor
no, its the same 3kw motor, just display support now with PAS levels.
ok so a new Cyclone Kit ! , where is the link to it so i can click + see + read + and maybe replace my current kit ....? FYI for those on the fence about getting a kit to electrify their ride . IMHO Hub kit are as automatic transmission cars Gas+Brake the car drives you ; Mid Drive Kit you will be able to use a bike as it was designed to that means shifting thrue the range of speeds and truly "Drive Your Bike" . Why is there no automatic motorcycle (almost none ) those are for passengers not drivers , drivers what to control and enjoy controlling the vehicle . Cheers ride safe & OUT OF CARS BLIND SPOT THEY CAN KILL YOU with a powerful e-bike you can move fast OUT of them and stay alive ;-D
Johnnynerdout.com
I love watching your videos I wish I could have you build me a bike
Is it wrong to want to put this on a BMX bike?
It’s never wrong to want that. 🤫
I'd like to see it with a built in controller.
me too
Can't wait to see what you put that monster onto. Gotta have Nerd out test to validate it.
Thats cool and great explanation of the ebike motor, but there is a reason regular ebikes are more expensive. You really need a stronger frame, better suspension, and hydraulic brakes for that kind of power. Its not safe to install a motor like that for a regular bike.
Definitely a 3kw on a mid drive is borderline insane. They should definitely come with a warning to only be installed by advanced custom ebike installers and riders, because yes, you are right. Inexperienced riders will destroy bikes, especially cheap ones, very quickly.
very cool. can't wait to see you add it to one of those underpowered 4 wheelers!
Hi Johnny, is this Cyclone's 3kw New single chainwheel kit, foe $409??
Great show, btw! I'm just slowly getting into it. Was gonna buy an ebike till I saw your show. Thanks once more for saving me hips of money!!
This is not the single version; will be checking it out soon though 😀 thanks!
@@JohnnyNerdOut Looking forward to it!
Still no real torque sensor....:(
my ebike has a battery issue, needs to be un soldered and re soldered, do you have consultation for this issue?
Yes 👍
Righteous, would love to see a sound comparison. my bbs02 is pretty quiet
Cyclone is a rock concert compared to the BBS02
A dash of Mobil 28 grease for the gears will quiet what noise your BBS-xx has. The former one was nearly silent at the usual speeds…
Ah... there's the shop ;)
Can I build a Scorpion X with a Bafang Mid-drive, Gates carbon belt and internal geared hub instead of a derailleur? Do you know where I can find a compatible frame? Better with a cyclone mid drive.
Johnny build me one
Sweet got last one! Yeeeesz
I know your other two assistants are canines...Helper dogs...Haha...Best of luck always.
Me Likey too ! Can’t wait for the test⚡️🚲
Ohh, and it’s called a Quatrovelo
Is it possible to make mid drive motors faster than advertised if you gear it differently
Yes
@@JohnnyNerdOut like how much I’m planning on wildly overvolting the cyc x1pro gen 2 and if I gear it for top speed only how fast do you think I can get it to go on a 150 pound bike with a 150 pound rider
Get your new business unit properly insulated. It will save a fortune in AC costs. Love the new motor btw. 😎
How much grunt does this motor have compared to the BBSHD? How reliable? How heavy? These are the questions.
Grunt. Much more. Reliability. Much less. Heavy. A little more. These are the answers.
@@JohnnyNerdOut Do another video and tell the world you great bike making man. Not as reliable? That’s disappointing.
Johnny just bought this kit on your website. Can’t wait to install it on my Northrock XC00 fat tire. Would love a Cyclone step by step install video in the future!
wanna talk to johnny look him up. friendly and sincere with a wealth of information.
were are you located I want to see if I can drop off my bike
Salt Lake City (just south of it)
Can you install that motor on a Aventon Aventure or would you advise another?
Too big bulky and heavy.
It is definitely humungous compared to the Bafang!
This guy is offering me a pre built cyclone 3000watt ebike build with custom two speed casset 72v 17ah panosonic sells one a specialized rock hopper for 1800 should I buy?
How much do you think that build should cost granted this is used but like new to build the battery is from luna cycle by the way
Depends on how well it’s built. And what bike is it on?
@@JohnnyNerdOut specialized rockhopper and its built pretty well from what I can see even did a diy custom casset so it can take thicker chains so they don't snap.
Do these have the less noisy nylon gear or the loud metal gear? Thinking of getting it.
Could you still pedal with the motors mounted?
I emailed the guys at Lunacycle and was told they may not be continuing with the Cyclone 3000. No explanation as to why. I'd be interested to know if anyone knows what's behind that.
I carry the cyclone and I can tell you why. Support. 80% of customers who buy this kit have issues with the install and need support. It’s a major hassle to sell these things and I don’t blame them. Even as a vendor for cyclone is difficult to get any support😞
is that a ligo battery from grim?
No
Thanks Jonny way to go with the new Cyclone 3000W.
Awesome Johnny!! Thanks for another great video!!
I want to see this on a BMX. XD
im crying in my stupid ass country where 250w is max :/
btw i got a 2000w on my "velomobile" and its lethal fast.
You got a velomobile?! Jealous.
@@JohnnyNerdOut something between one and a recumbent…
Ship to puerto rico?
Johnny, I have the same LCD display on my e-bike. Do you have a video on how to use various settings on that display?
I don’t but there are plenty out there👍
@@JohnnyNerdOut thanks
Wow! This looks really interesting!!!
What about powering a catrike? Too much?
Never too much
*_LOOKS LIKE ITS THE SAME AS THE CYC X1 1500WATTS 36V TO 72V MOTOR, ITS COMES WITH EVERYTHING INCLUDING THE DISPLAY PANEL_*
But less than half the cost. Also a few differences like torque sensing and a proper speedometer (on the cyc)
@@JohnnyNerdOut *_CYC X1 STEALTH IS PRETTY EXPENSIVE BECAUSE THE MOTOR IS SMALL 5000WATTS AND WEIGH ONLY 5.5 LBS. MY PLAN IS TO PUT CYC X1 STEALTH MOTOR ON MY $10K DOLLARS CARBON FIBER ROAD BIKE_*
@@Gaybeino be careful! But report back on performance and longevity 😀
Oh great. I just ordered a bafang yesterday... just kidding.
They are still 2 totally different systems, even if you did you’d be ok 👍
@@JohnnyNerdOut I understand. Looks like overkill for my needs.
Where do we find this kit? Can I add it to my current cyclone? I have an orange county chopper bike I was planning to switch it to.
You should if your controller has the display out sypport
@@JohnnyNerdOut what site carry them?
@@brianhunt793 good question. I will be carrying them within 4-6 weeks hopefully. For now I just sell the complete kit. I’d try googling the sw900 for suppliers if that’s all you need👍
Are these much more difficult to install than the BBSHD for example or same basic process?
Same process but the motor itself tends to be more difficult as there is some assembly required of the motor itself somewhat.
@@JohnnyNerdOutand wiring the separate controller
I want a cyclone so bad!!
All right Johnny I have a question about gearing a bbs02 for hill climbing. I want to run a 28 tooth lekkie front sprocket for maximum torque have you ever seen someone take apart a rear cassette and move the sixth largest gears out of a 9-speed into the position of the first gear through 6th less high speed more hill climb torque. I hope you understand what I'm trying to say
That's somewhat common on the ebike forums. I haven't done that as even in the lowest (largest) gear, it still rides without issue. I'm running a BBS02, luna 30t, and advent x drivetrain. Also my cassette is riveted together with spiders so the gears I could even swap out are limited.
@@scotth5503 well I appreciate the knowledge that I'm not alone in doing this could you send me any links or share any links so I can get more information cuz it worked at first but I started having shifting issues and I'm not exactly sure what to do to fix it, the chain started seeming to bind up and skip
@@m1000black this is probably the most comprehensive: ruclips.net/video/1WBMpZv-pqE/видео.html
the forum (endless sphere) posts are mostly "I removed some gears and now I have 5 instead of 8" etc.
I wonder if the 'shift ramps' (those notches cut into the sprockets) are causing interference. I had tried rearranging gears on an old drivetrain (combining 10spd and 8spd sprockets to make an 8spd cassette), but the chain would bind on the 6-5 shift and basically rendered the rest of the gears useless. Not sure if I messed up the spacing or it was due to the aforementioned shift ramps, but I abandoned it after wasting several hours trying to get it to shift.
How much weight does this add to the bike?
Motor is maybe 12#
interesting 🤓
Where can I buy this?
johnnynerdout.com
@@JohnnyNerdOut nice, do you ship to mexico?
@@adrianc9692 not at the moment
Sweet! I looked into the Cyclone. At the time, without PAS, a double chain, harder installation for a noob & more noise I went with the BBSHD. At the time e-bikes were completely banned in NYC so stealth was important too and the Cyclone is many things but not stealthy;) The Cyclone is definitely an awesome motor but to me crosses out of e-bike territory and into e-moped or e-motorcycle territory. I'm glad I went with the BBSxx motors when I did but today it would be a harder choice.
Spot on analysis! I agree
Wouldn't this destroy any ebike drive train?
No. But it can wear chains out quicker especially
Hope not.. Just got installed!! Lol
whats the name of the speedometer and where do you get it, yes I bought one
Sw-900. Comes as a kit
@@JohnnyNerdOut i found the sw900 on ebay will the one on ebay work
@@rbaisey8628 🤷♂️
WOW!!
Nice teaser!! Can't wait for part two!!
Is it torque sensing?
No cadence
@@JohnnyNerdOut shame.
Interesting info for sure! When it comes to smoothness / gradual ramp of the throttle (power output) do you think that's the result of a good quality throttle, or is it controlled more by the controller? I've had a Cyclone for about 5yrs as well, and still struggle to get a smooth / gradual output on the power delivery.
Think you'll match it with a transmission or go direct??
Cassette
Junk display that still doesn't convey enough info. Give me a full color display with watts and remaining battery voltage.
Bikes are not at all like motorcycles. They are very human top heavy. There's a reason pro cyclists have broken collar bone scars. These are freakishly talented bike handlers. They are riding with other freaks of nature on closed courses and lucky to push 30mph part of the time. If they can't handle sustained speeds above 20, the average Joe has no business pushing those bounds. It's not like all that extra power is needed to power out of a hairpin on a mtb trail and you already know how negatively all that extra weight impacts handling. So, it is a heavy, lower quality, poor handling, battery eater that is noisey....but it's powerful!
Say what!?
Where does it line up cost wise vs bafang?
Cheaper
@@JohnnyNerdOut Oh sweet good to know!
Thanks man