From the 1967 Daytona Speedweeks, here is the Permatex 300 mile NASCAR Sportsman division race. Dave Despain introduces the footage for the Victory Circle show on the old SpeedVision network.
IMO; ARCA and NASCAR racing was so much more enjoyable in this era than it will ever be from 2010 forward. The drivers, cars and team strategy was what southern style "Stock Car Racing" was all about. Now, NOT SO MUCH!! I'd rather watch old throw back races like this over the current NASCAR product any time.
When cars weren't same chassis, engine and aero.. manufacturer built. Buy on showroom floor, slightly mod )or acid dip) and drive to racetrack... drivers had personality, not Kens and Barbies playing by driving basically same cars.. no character now.
If you look closely, you may see that Goldsmith's car is a '65 Plymouth with a '64 front. This was because Sportsman cars had to be at least three years old. He ran this car well in the '66 Daytona 500 early in the race, if you check it out. That car was HOT.
My Father had a 67 Pontiac Bonneville pop-top like the pacecar, infact at 1:16 in the video one exactly like his is shown pulling up to present his tickets for admission. Sky-blue w/white convertible top, don't know if it had a 428cid like Dad's, but I doubt it as they only made bout 500 of them. I loved that car & so wish I still had it, Pop sold it to me in highschool & if that car could talk, well 😰 LOL
@@stewstube70 yes recently got interested in this old American stuff, won Le Mans mid 60s with a pushrod engine, impressive, plus a truck load of cash obviously 👍
So sad how Leroy ended up. A truly gifted race driver. How little was known back then about either concussions or mental illness. I'm sure he would have won a championship if he had stayed healthy. Won the triple crown in NASCAR and drove in 3 Indy 500's
Before my time but yes he was a good driver...out of Jacksonville Florida. There were quite a few people that thought he could've been one of the best ever.
Lee Roy was Hell on Wheels! Junior Johnson said he was the Bravest Racecar Driver he ever saw & ol' Junior saw them all from the earliest Driver's of NASCAR & on thru the early 2000's. He saw the ones after then of course, but nothing brave about driving a Nascar car or truck after the COT was introduced in competition 👎🤮 So sorry to the modern era driver's, but they're not included in this observation 🤷🏻♂️ You're spot on about it being a shame how Lee Roy ended up 😞
Nascar nowadays is just a bunch of photogenic pretty boys that know how to drive a race car but fall short of being true racers! Older, uglier, greasier drinkier take a tire iron to your headier kind of men that made true racers! One even drove with a monkey in his car and a tiger in his tank! No, today’s stars cannot compete with yesterdays racers.
@@jameseubanks379 Absolutely! Drivers in that era were a rough crowd. It was a harsh environment, developed tough, strong drivers, ... wrestling those cars, working on the cars ... getting physical in the garage area when need be.
Paul & Smokey were two of the best. Paul was absolutely fearless, and just as smart as he was fearless. And Smokey was way, way a head off the times. He offered a way to maker safer walls, but NASCAR wasn't interested. Both would become legends. A.J. FOYT said Paul was one of the best drivers he ever raced against.
Well; that ends the number placement contravercy, the numbers were forward way back in 67. The popular we want the old school look is exactly what nascar gave us this year, at least with the numbers.Just shows be careful what you ask for ,you just might get it. P.S., i actually like the forward placed numbers for history sake.
Numbers were located forward in the early days, which makes it funny when somebody will get upset about 'too many road courses", the numbers, Toyota, etc when they cry "NASCAR needs to get back to it's roots". ;-) Many seem to believe the 'early days' were the 1980s or 1990s! 😀
I guess the Sportsman division used much older cars, because this race looks like its 1964 rather than 1967. Fortunately, the spectator's cars observed confirm the timeline.
Nice image quality. The 80's video broadcasts, the image often is bad ... here, this '67 capture on film the contrast holds up, quite superior to video. Nothing like vintage film quality.
Dave Despain was the best ... knowledgeable in every series. Dirt, pavement, cars, bikes. He knew F1, Cup, IndyCar, USAC, NHRA, Endurance, Supercross, and his personal favorite ... MotoGP racing. He hosted tons of material, but his live call in show Wind Tunnel was outstanding. Winners were interviewed, disputes were aired and analyzed, Robin Miller, it was great. He's only surpassed by Chris Econamaki ... the undisputed dean of knowing/covering essentially every form of racing. His National Speed Sport News, a big weekly paper, was the reference for everyone. Yes, he published a superb weekly for 40yrs! It was an amazing source, if I remember correctly it hit the newstand on Wednesday. So I'd double park, run in and buy SpeedSport ... go home and begin consuming it over the course of the week.
Thank God for old films like this people can see what automotive racing used to be like when real men drove real cars now NASCAR is so boring you might as well go scrub your floor or stand out in the rain there's no color there's no talent there's nothing but yet every year people support this garbage
No, but he's been around a few times. I just thought that he looked so linear in his aging timeline, what with the hair options being locked in early. He dodged the "Wow you looked goofy back then" issue. I miss WindTunnel...
I’d like to see the raw footage of these racing highlight reels. They filmed the whole race, but only used the interesting bits. Plus it would be more enjoyable without the cheesy commentary and added tire squeals.
I would be surprised if they filmed the whole thing. They were filming to fit a 30 min TV show. But it would be interesting to see (and hear) what was on the cutting room floor.
1. How do you hear a gaseous substance, except maybe, "pssssst". 2. None of the sound effects were real. They were added later. And my guess is it was a Ford powered car's sound that was used. It had that "machine gun", da-da-da-da-da rumble. Different sound with the EIEIEIEI, port layout than other cars EIIEEIIE layout. (E=exhaust, I=intake)
13:30, 20 gallons of highly flammable gasoline partially in the hole and car & 10 gallons on the ground talk about shear gluten of dinasor remains back then. Everything else was also that sloppy back then, even worse than what it is today , completely stopped watching So-called bashcar when it changes from more commercial advertising than actual car boring oval racing and don't even bother checking it today here basically a funny farm for useless goons who couldn't make it in the normal rat race daily grind work aday world.
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Oh man do I miss Speedvision.😢 1996-2002 You shall be missed but never forgotten.
I was gonna say the same thing after coming across this video...man,that show was mandatory viewing. 👍
I think I watched this race with my Dad laying on the floor in front of the TV. Good memories.
I wish it was still like it was then ! It was exciting to watch! Once upon a time!
The days I skipped school to watch Dave's specials, probably number into the hundreds...
Cars 10 or 12 yrs apart I loved these sportsman cars.thanks for posting.
IMO; ARCA and NASCAR racing was so much more enjoyable in this era than it will ever be from 2010 forward. The drivers, cars and team strategy was what southern style "Stock Car Racing" was all about. Now, NOT SO MUCH!! I'd rather watch old throw back races like this over the current NASCAR product any time.
When cars weren't same chassis, engine and aero.. manufacturer built.
Buy on showroom floor, slightly mod )or acid dip) and drive to racetrack... drivers had personality, not Kens and Barbies playing by
driving basically same cars.. no character now.
Great era for racing. It was cool to see a mom's everyday car suped-up with a number painted on flying around the track.
thanks for posting , dont remember these, loved seeing those Fastback 61 fords
I owned one,61 starliner
Im here for the Fords
And the 69 MachOne fast
The good old classic cars of that era
If you look closely, you may see that Goldsmith's car is a '65 Plymouth with a '64 front. This was because Sportsman cars had to be at least three years old. He ran this car well in the '66 Daytona 500 early in the race, if you check it out. That car was HOT.
That was real racing!
My Father had a 67 Pontiac Bonneville pop-top like the pacecar, infact at 1:16 in the video one exactly like his is shown pulling up to present his tickets for admission. Sky-blue w/white convertible top, don't know if it had a 428cid like Dad's, but I doubt it as they only made bout 500 of them. I loved that car & so wish I still had it, Pop sold it to me in highschool & if that car could talk, well 😰 LOL
Yeah my mother had the station wagon. The steering wheel was clear. Blue interior and the high beam indicator blue Indian head so cool
@@Carlos-r5n2bWow! I forgot about the blue Indian head indicator light! 😂👍
Never realised they were doing 180 mph, great stuff !
Me neither, especially with the aerodynamics of a brick! I always assumed they were doing 120-130ish
@@stewstube70 yes recently got interested in this old American stuff, won Le Mans mid 60s with a pushrod engine, impressive, plus a truck load of cash obviously 👍
Not aerodynamic at all
The driver was constantly fighting the car
Great race. The car sounds leaving the pits sounds like little European cars, not a 426 Hemi
So sad how Leroy ended up. A truly gifted race driver. How little was known back then about either concussions or mental illness. I'm sure he would have won a championship if he had stayed healthy. Won the triple crown in NASCAR and drove in 3 Indy 500's
Before my time but yes he was a good driver...out of Jacksonville Florida. There were quite a few people that thought he could've been one of the best ever.
Lee Roy was Hell on Wheels! Junior Johnson said he was the Bravest Racecar Driver he ever saw & ol' Junior saw them all from the earliest Driver's of NASCAR & on thru the early 2000's. He saw the ones after then of course, but nothing brave about driving a Nascar car or truck after the COT was introduced in competition 👎🤮
So sorry to the modern era driver's, but they're not included in this observation 🤷🏻♂️
You're spot on about it being a shame how Lee Roy ended up 😞
Well said and deserved
He also lived hard
Too bad what he did to his mom
Those drivers would laugh at the drivers today. The cars today run the same speeds now. 180mph
If only NASCAR could bring back all out racing. Evening the field has led to boredom
Modified Sportsman back in these days was pretty much run what ya brung. Big inches, multiple carbs, fuel injection, blowers, etc.
Nice to see, Real Stock Cars racing, not the jelly been cars of today!!!!!
Dave Despain before his Megadeath/Metallica daze!🤘
Awesome!!!!!!
If you listen closely to Goldsmiths engine you hear....THANKS FOR THE GREAT Post
This is so cool. It makes today s nascar Boring !
PAUL GOLDSMITH, ONE OF THE BEST RACERS THERE EVER WAS. MOTORCYCLES, INDY CARS, STOCKCARS IT DIDN'T MATTER HE WAS GOOD AS ANY OF THEM BIG NAMES.
Just a bunch of give it all you got men that takes pride in building it and racing it and challenging that other man that built his too to a race!
Nascar nowadays is just a bunch of photogenic pretty boys that know how to drive a race car but fall short of being true racers! Older, uglier, greasier drinkier take a tire iron to your headier kind of men that made true racers! One even drove with a monkey in his car and a tiger in his tank! No, today’s stars cannot compete with yesterdays racers.
@@jameseubanks379
Absolutely!
Drivers in that era were a rough crowd.
It was a harsh environment, developed tough, strong drivers, ... wrestling those cars, working on the cars ... getting physical in the garage area when need be.
Paul & Smokey were two of the best. Paul was absolutely fearless, and just as smart as he was fearless. And Smokey was way, way a head off the times. He offered a way to maker safer walls, but NASCAR wasn't interested. Both would become legends. A.J. FOYT said Paul was one of the best drivers he ever raced against.
Well; that ends the number placement contravercy, the numbers were forward way back in 67. The popular we want the old school look is exactly what nascar gave us this year, at least with the numbers.Just shows be careful what you ask for ,you just might get it. P.S., i actually like the forward placed numbers for history sake.
Numbers were located forward in the early days, which makes it funny when somebody will get upset about 'too many road courses", the numbers, Toyota, etc when they cry "NASCAR needs to get back to it's roots". ;-) Many seem to believe the 'early days' were the 1980s or 1990s! 😀
The sound of those things! Marvellous stuff. There are some comments about fake sounds, is that right?
Overdubbed yes....but fake? I guess I would need someone to explain that.
Me too.. I think one or two people were implying a different (better) engine sound was dubbed to make a better film, that might be rubbish though?
I guess the Sportsman division used much older cars, because this race looks like its 1964 rather than 1967. Fortunately, the spectator's cars observed confirm the timeline.
They said in the begining the cars had to be 3 yrs old....and then stated somebody was in a '61 Plymouth....then saw a '60 Impala go by...lol
They had to be at least three years old.
@@5jr.racing982 3 to 10 yrs. Old anything within those years.
@@5jr.racing982 Some 61 Fords, even some 50s GM cars!
I love that there were cars 20 MPH faster than other cars! And No drafting!
dual quad hemi"s
@@zoltanliszkai2162 13:1 RACE Hemis?
Nice image quality.
The 80's video broadcasts, the image often is bad ... here, this '67 capture on film the contrast holds up, quite superior to video.
Nothing like vintage film quality.
I think this was the first year rear spoilers were used on cars.
What a save at 5:18!
Miss the speed vision
Dave Despain was the best ... knowledgeable in every series.
Dirt, pavement, cars, bikes.
He knew F1, Cup, IndyCar, USAC, NHRA, Endurance, Supercross, and his personal favorite ... MotoGP racing.
He hosted tons of material, but his live call in show Wind Tunnel was outstanding.
Winners were interviewed, disputes were aired and analyzed, Robin Miller, it was great.
He's only surpassed by Chris Econamaki ... the undisputed dean of knowing/covering essentially every form of racing.
His National Speed Sport News, a big weekly paper, was the reference for everyone. Yes, he published a superb weekly for 40yrs!
It was an amazing source, if I remember correctly it hit the newstand on Wednesday. So I'd double park, run in and buy SpeedSport ... go home and begin consuming it over the course of the week.
A time when a wheat farmer could build a competitive racing car capable of racing at 170+ mph. Look at what we have now; all about the $
They were going plenty fast enough. Not sure why they thought it necessary to speed up the footage on the back stretch.
The good ole days
2:25 2:36 2:42 The Race Anncr. realizes he called "Leeeroyy" "Le Roy" and backs into a better pronunciation...
20:14 The caution lights were on??
Modified Sportsman had a pretty loose rulebook. The #99 1961 Ford, had a stroked 482ci Mopar Hemi in it for this race. This car was outlawed by 1968.
I'm guessing dual carbed hemis vs dual carbed 427 fords
Thank God for old films like this people can see what automotive racing used to be like when real men drove real cars now NASCAR is so boring you might as well go scrub your floor or stand out in the rain there's no color there's no talent there's nothing but yet every year people support this garbage
Back when men were men and sheep were nervous.
They wore t-shirts to drive with a nachos racing 'helmet' ....lol.
Goldsmith was on a rail that day. Finished 2nd tho.
Can you say HEMI??? Getter done!!!!!
1:55 .... What's up with the one car french-kissing the other's rear bumper out of the pits?
Push starting a car that would not start on the grid. Not sure if there is more to the story.
Dave Despain looked so much younger when he was younger...
Did you see him as the pit reporter in the 1987 Daytona 500 broadcast I recently UL'd?
No, but he's been around a few times. I just thought that he looked so linear in his aging timeline, what with the hair options being locked in early. He dodged the "Wow you looked goofy back then" issue.
I miss WindTunnel...
Isnt Dave the guitarist for MEGADEATH?
When the cars were interesting...
And the drivers weren't blow-dried rich kids.
8:10 - Are those the rear tailights of an Edsel?
I thought it was a rambler at first, but they were running Studebakers back then, so I believe it was a studebaker
As I think of u Wendell. RIP
I’d like to see the raw footage of these racing highlight reels. They filmed the whole race, but only used the interesting bits. Plus it would be more enjoyable without the cheesy commentary and added tire squeals.
I would be surprised if they filmed the whole thing. They were filming to fit a 30 min TV show. But it would be interesting to see (and hear) what was on the cutting room floor.
cool
👍
Love the fake engine and tire sounds! One was even a 6 cylinder.
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Despair was The Best.
A '61 Ford??
Turner #87 coming out of the pits is running a straight 6!...@6:31
David Ignatius Balestreri ...Wrong, it was a four cylinder Fiat. I know, I had one. 😂
Turner has been considered possibly the best ever. He was the Dale Earnhardt of the day. He also built Charlotte speedway.
Look out!!!! Screeeeeeeeeeeee
Pit Crew failed that guy, giving him 2nd place.
Nitrous. Such a sweet sound.
1. How do you hear a gaseous substance, except maybe, "pssssst".
2. None of the sound effects were real. They were added later. And my guess is it was a Ford powered car's sound that was used. It had that "machine gun", da-da-da-da-da rumble. Different sound with the EIEIEIEI, port layout than other cars EIIEEIIE layout. (E=exhaust, I=intake)
Ford ignition distributors had a nasty failure rate - Yeah , they did .
2:14
Nascar wouldn't allow the 427 Ford cammer in there. The campers were dominating in NHRA.
They wouldn't allow 426 Hemis either.
The Cammer... what an engine.
The hemi was back in 67
Who the hell is this announcer, only knows 3 drivers by there names and the rest buy car number!!😁🤣🤣🤣🤣🤦♂️
Every time a car is leaving the pits it sounds like a 6 cylinder
13:30, 20 gallons of highly flammable gasoline partially in the hole and car & 10 gallons on the ground talk about shear gluten of dinasor remains back then. Everything else was also that sloppy back then, even worse than what it is today , completely stopped watching So-called bashcar when it changes from more commercial advertising than actual car boring oval racing and don't even bother checking it today here basically a funny farm for useless goons who couldn't make it in the normal rat race daily grind work aday world.
Dr 8-15-24