Brooks Running Preview 2023: Ghost 15, Hyperion Max, Catamount 2 | Live from the Running Event
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- Опубликовано: 5 фев 2025
- Live from The Running Event in Austin, Texas, Thomas and Robbe talks with Jon Teipin of Brooks about the Ghost 15, Hyperion Max & Catamount 2.
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I was glad to see that they Hyperion wasn't going away
I bought Hyperion Max here in Brazil. Its between Hyperion Elite and Tempo. I have Tempo too, and I really love running Max today. Just 5km and feel great.
Like for Thomas and Robbe. Thanks for this information about Brooks 2023. A nice day for everyone.
Literally just survive on brand loyalty. I liked the hyperion tempo but the fact that after 2 years they couldn't change anything about the midsole is just a joke, whereas you see brands like new balance willing to take risks and change the SC trainer when people would've accepted an upper update for v2.
Get the Max. Also the Catamount 2. Running is the game. Once you get passed the technical BS it’s all about comfort and longevity.
Well said. Their shoes are not exactly cheap, and they are skimpy on deals and offers but customer loyalty, step in comfort and zillion colorways are brining many repeat customers.
I think they are also giving a good margin to the stores selling Brooks, so they are incentivized to pair a someone not particularly knowledgeable about the market and innovations with Brooks Ghost/Glycerin/Adrenaline GTS. Many Brooks runners are not even aware of Hyperion Tempo.
I think with name change Hyperion (aka Hyperion Tempo 2) is getting more mainstream, a better price and better outsole (looks heavier though) and even a GTS version. I am actually excited for that one. Definitely looking for reviews.
For me, Hyperion Max is not a max. stack shoe. They should really have named it Hyperion Tempo 2.
Not everyone wants "change" and "innovation" when it comes to running shoes. I respect Brooks for small, incremental changes and sticking with what works for 90% of runners instead of going full blown with the marketing and hype. ASICS has "innovated" hard over the past 2 years and subsequently almost all of their shoes are super soft now. Not everyone wants that.
He starts with the ghost 🤦♂️ good work Thomas for looking interested 🤣
@@Acejustforalaugh because stupid RUclips commenters think that consistency is a bad thing
Oh shit a shocker - it’s Fordy acting like a knob towards Brooks as usual!
@@percrunner1433 consistent overpriced crap sold to the dumb masses by the millions
Catamount 2 looks pretty cool ! I love my first version and i wana buy new one too.
The chemistry here was a bit awkward compared to the other interviews...Brooks and BITR don't seem to mix, haha! Really entertaining to see Thomas taking over (Thomas Takeover!) the Levitate portion. Thanks for these TRE videos!
Oh yeah, Thomas giving him lesson on how it should be done!
It’s because BITR is annoying
Does anyone remember the actual original Brooks Hyperion? It was a seamless racing flat released back in 2016. Great 5k or track session shoe.
I can smell the boredom LOLS
Brooks Ghost ..most boring running shoe in the world...yet they sell millions of them to the masses....who dont know better that they are getting a crap blown rubber outsole and ill fitting upper with zero support.
I just got these and omg they are the best shoes ever
Brooks is the equalvalant of apple in the running shoe world. They don’t innovate because they don’t need to. It’s the safe thing to do when all of your customers are loyal.
Catamount 2 sounds great. I don't like the rock plate in the first version. Great foam, but the rock plate muted all the fun.
They need to use a flexible rock plate that is non-intrusive like Saucony uses in Xodus Ultra/Peregrine. On a technical terrain with rocks/roots poking underfoot a good rock plate really provides benefit but again it has to be a good rock plate design. I guess that plastic/nylon mid-foot (shank) will provide some protection but as you toe off you will feel the rocks. Have to see the reviews.
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Looks like they haven't messed up the Hyperion, the Tempo is a great shoe
Was never a big fan of Brooks. I felt that they could never get their shoes in order to compete with the rest. Hopefully this will be a good year for Brooks.
222 And Glycerin 20 (GTS) secret project. :-)) Hyperion Tempo could stay with new colors.
The ghost 14 was not good for me and I run alot and I love brooks but the 14 didn't do it .I may try the 15 but idk now .I prefer the glycerin
I tried ghost 13, ill fitting, no support, laces were coming undone even when double knotted, the outsole was soft blown rubbber that felt like wet tar mush on hot pavement. the wear was evident after 1 year. out with the trash!
That Catamount 2 design looks almost retro, like it’s 2001 and there’s overlays stitched on. Bizarre choice given the Cat1 was very sleek and modern
Geez Robbie, except for the Hyperion the Brooks lineup looks very boring. Is dull a new thing? Will the Hyperion have more forefoot room?
What happened to the adrenaline Gts!?
Still there. It is really the GTS version of Ghost. Brooks has eliminated a number of stability shoes from their lineup a couple years ago but added GTS to other shoes (for example Levitate GTS and Glycerin GTS) I guess they fear losing existing Adrenaline customers if they bring up Ghost GTS and get rid of Adrenaline. In other words, it is marketing play. They are afraid to rock the boat and have unsuspecting customers keep buying technologically inferior shoes with minor changes from one iteration to another. I am surprised that Brooks did not directly go to DNA Loft v3 in Ghost 15. It is a missed opportunity, or they are too conservative in a fast-moving market but then again as long as someone is buying them, they do not have any incentive.
@@TolunayOrkun I was talking with my local Brooks rep, and the only reason the v3 didn't make it to the Ghost 15, is cost. They wanted to see how it was received in the Glycerin and then make a decision for the Ghost 16. By the time v4 comes out, you'll probably see v3 in the Ghost/Adrenaline.
Still..... Uninspired product line that survives solely on brand loyalty moreso than innovation or producing a fun shoe. I feel like Brooks is the khakis of the running shoe world.... Never exciting, but you know you can probably wear it to the office and not get sent to HR for a dress code violation.
@@AlbieDay Thanks for the update. I still think it is a mistake. Customer loyalty is not absolute.
Thomas and Robbe should have done the talking for Brooks instead of the Brooks employee
What is a Pebax plate? Sure no carbon cause the they would use it in there marketing. So nicer name for TPU i guess.
You guys think that Hyperion max asking price 170 usd is good price when we think what other company offers for similar price range? Like endo Speed 3 is 10 bucks cheaper with better foam and nylon plated.
Price is subjective. While a very nice shoe (review to come) at $170 it would not be our first pick. The “max” is also misleading. This is not a max cushioned trainer. It’s more like a firmer Hyperion Tempo.
@@Believeintherun So buy Hyperion Tempo instead (or now maybe Hyperion w/o any qualifiers). Hyperion is positioned toward consumer space as it even gets a GTS. I hope the new outsole does not add too much weight or kill the bounce.
Am I the only one that doesn't like the new Ghost 15 and Glycerin 20? They don't feel cushioned at all to me..wouldn't mind checking out the new Leviates..but Brooks shoes don't feel the same to me anymore.
Ghost 15 is still using older foam DNA Loft v2. Besides it is a 12mm drop shoe. So while the heel is decently cushioned the 12mm drops means the forefront has too little foam to handle longer runs. Brooks along with Mizuno are the last holdouts in 12mm drop space. Most everyone is now between 4-10 and there is increasing trend towards 4-8 range
The new nitrogen infused DNA Loft v3 is in Glycerin but they killed it with too much outsole rubber. The foam did very well in its debut shoe Aurora-BL last year. I heard Brooks is bringing back Aurora-BL.
Most reviewers seem to agree with you ! I like the glycerin 20 but I think the way the new midsole and outsole interact works best for larger runners? I am 6’1” and find the midsole outsole works very well for me . I have heard of some lighter runners feel it is too firm . But brooks is my local running shoe company in Puget sound and really want them to keep up with the other big running brands but I do fear they fell behind years ago and haven’t kept pace. Still I love my glycerin 20s but running shoes are so personal they need more options to fit different runners . That Hyperion max looks interesting:-)
@@pbnotj1 Agreed!
No updates to their racer??? Brooks cmon.
I have had 4 pairs of the catamount 1. Give me the 2
@Larry Flynn what’s your issue with this one?
Smb tell him that we need ghost drop of 8 mm , not 12
and fyi when PUMA wins their lawsuit over the use of Nitro how will brooks market this stuff lol
levitate 6 anyone?
The white one perhaps as a gym shoe or for causal use. Otherwise, no. Outdated foams!
The Brooks rep was terrible. First week in his role? ✋🏽😝🤚🏽
I used to love brooks. But it’s just not much innovation. And their toe boxes suck. They are years behind soucony
Agreed ! I do think they fell behind for so long hard to catch up. I tried glycerin 20s and actually really like them, new foam works for me . I’m 6’1 “ and 200lbs and have heard maybe works better for larger runners . Also watch out in winter nitro foams tend to firm up in my experience the beaded foams from saucony still work in winter temps :-)
I like their trail shoes....just cannot find a decent road shoe from Brooks
brooks needs uninformed runners to stay in business frankly. if you watch this channel or others you see how no one ranks these as fun or exciting etc
Everyone knows they’re for old people or heavy people.
Brooks continue to disappointment and are now being left behind, even by the likes of Reebok or puma They need a decent plated performance shoe and more with prebax.
PUMA yes 100% but I really don't see Reebok doing that much better than Brooks either but at least what they offer is much more affordable for tight budgets. They seem to have killed their pebax based "Run Fast" lineup and only offering designs with good old Energy foam which is good but not a performance foam. Energy X with forefoot carbon plate is a heavy and stiff shoe that does not really perform. They should have brought that shoe with full length PEBAX foam from Run Fast series (Floatride foam instead of Floatride Energy). As a result, they need to heavily discount the shoe to move the off the shelves (or warehouse) Maybe I should convert that shoe for causal use or gym use. Disappointing. I recommend just buying Energy 4 as a daily trainer. More versatile and cheaper.
Comment sections like this make me hate the online running community. Y’all wanna act like Brooks is shit, yet more people wear and run in the ghost than your overpriced hype-beast carbon and nylon plated shoes
Because the ghost is a neutral entry level shoe priced low and sold to the ignorant masses