I'm Latino (Guatemalan) I've been a hip hop year since like 83. How difficult is it to admit that Hip Hop was started by Black Americans. Just like I am always one of the few Latinos at Hip Hop events, Black Clubs or at the BBQ it was always love and I was always accepted. So in return it has been the same in Hip Hop culture..
I was raised in da bronx Puerto ricans n Jamaicans were there but hip-hop was gonna happen even if 🇵🇷 or Jamaica 🇯🇲 were not been there this is black youth culture PERIOD n im rican n i approved this message 😆😁
As a London born Jamaican I want this nonsense to cease, FBA are the greatest. Their are many other great original peoples but FBA have always lead the way.
You London born don't call Jamaican name in your mouth till you read sumn! I'm a true Jamaican. Jamaicans are the greatest and I'm not saying that cause I'm patriotic only. Come at me and be schooled mf
@@EthanSolomon-hh9uc i wonder who deleted my comment?🤔 Y'all don't do truth here to make it look like no one dares confront you. I really need to have a debate with these skunks😂
Lord Jamar is built for this subject. He needs to get an agent and do a spin off debate pay per view following the wave of the doc that Tariq has out right now. Lord needs to go on a debate run pay per view or live paying audience!
@@badseedent4827 you ask debate who I’ll tell you it’s in your answer nobody showed up therefore he’s undefeated by virtue of forfeiture like forfeiting a baseball game. They didn’t show up because they have no legs to stand on in the words of John Henri Clark and Dr. Ben, the black man has no friends
Latinos came later in the culture…they were watching and observing while American Blacks were creating. They became good at breakdancing by watching American Blacks do it first…I grew up around Latinos, specifically Puerto Ricans. I have NEVER been to a Puerto Rican backyard cookout and/or party and heard them playing HIP-HOP. Why? Cuz it’s not their culture.
Crazy Legs called his crew Rock Steady, which was an FBA expression. Aretha Franklin had a song of the same name. DJ Kool Herc called himself that and not the Selektah Herc. He tried playing reggae at a few of his early jams in the '70s and the dancefloor cleared. He had to put the funk back on to get everybody moving again.
@@dasanman69 Race and region are often interlinked. The part of the West Bronx where hip hop originated was predominantly black, especially after the whites moved out near the end of the '60s.
Rap is culture. Its spoken word and poetry and griot. It's also literature. If you appreciate scrolls and books, then appreciate rap. The best raps are a great read.
Our culture was hip hop before it was named hip hop is what you other ethnicities have to understand. The walk slang dressing music parties and so forth.
@@Lawrence-mv8dwNo! Hiphop was a BX street culture in those streets where the Rican and Blacks. In NY Ricans and Blacks been creating dances and music since early 1900s. Stop playing yourself
Lord Jamar is Right! I was wondering the same. If Black and Latinos created hip hop where are the spanish words in hip hop? Why Dj Charlie Chase had to change his name? Why Crazy Legs wasnt b boying to salsa in th 80's? It was birth out of FBA culture. Period.
@@seandagod2169 another question is where are all of these Latino and Caribbean pioneer rap groups that they claim help start hip hop??? Exactly how and what did they contribute?
No he isn't. He's a wack rapper with a wack rap catalogue. He would get demolished by KRS-ONE in a battle. Lord Jamar was NOT and is NOT successful in Hip-Hop. KRS has dropped over 20 albums and stays touring and doing shows. You need to change who you looking up to.
@@louisalicea5237 stop it! that ninja is part of the legendary rap group brand Nubian!! Just because someone is better at something doesn’t make them right in a argument! Use common sense bro
KRS One infused politics into this by saying Black folk needed other groups to start something. This is the same KRS One who on “Why Is That” claims the people in the Bible were Black. Jamar is right. I’m from Oklahoma City born in 1976. From when I got the product in the very early 80s, I didn’t know what a Puerto Rican was. I had an idea of what a Jamaican was because of reggae.
Stop it whites folks were the original sneaker heads , they also were the first rocking Sergio tacchini most of you idiots don't know how culture works.
I’ve been saying the sneaker game is washed because everybody is involved now. When it was just us Black Americans, the sneaker game was real culture .
I remember when freestyle music came out so many nyc latinos jumped from hip hop to support that genre that they felt they created. Same cam be said for jamaicams when dancehallcame on the scene. So that gives credence to Jamar's point. They always knew this was a black american created genre.
We argue about things we already know. The real question is why we don’t own the culture! 90-95% of these dudes and ladies don’t even own their own music. The man still owns their catalogs and passing it down to their children. We’re sitting here debating about silly shit and he’s laughing.
Yo!!!!!! Exactly the ones who making the most out of it. Lyor Cohens, jimmy Iovines, Tom Silvermans etc etc, laughing at these dudes arguing for prestige and history not benefitting one bit as a culture financially.
If you think DJ Herc was the ONLY DJ in early Hip-Hop (newsflash: he wasn't)....you are revealing your YOUTH AND IGNORANCE. As a pre-1980 baby, veteran NYC Educator, and protector of Black culture....I've taught our history to the youth WAY before these lies were spread. Many adults born from 1988--2000 can validate my statements. I provided nearly ALL the timelines from slavery spirituals....to Ragtime music....to old films of our music and dance from the 1920's Harlem Renaissance....to the actual footage Bessie Smith and the Blues (also 1920's), etc. We will NOT repeat the cultural erasure of Ancient Africa, or Rock n' Roll !!! I will debate ANYONE and I'm super petty and meticulous. My students even knew about Scott Joplin, Sam Cooke, Little Richard and Chuck Berry. Even the styles, dancing, and slang of gay culture is from gay, BLACK males....who were influenced by BLACK WOMEN (relatives and friends). If [the documentary] "Paris Is Burning" weren't released, they'd try to give all credit of Voguing to Madonna!! Unlike 1980's--2000 babies, I witnessed all of this, IN REAL TIME. There are SEVERAL, NATIONAL NEWS REPORTS from 1980 (not 1990...2000...or 2024. I said 1980) correctly crediting BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE for the NEW addition of Hip-Hop. All of the elders were still alive and had a platform. So why didn't they protest this? EXACTLY. STOP CO-OPTING BLACK CULTURE!!
@@mattblack9720Because it is to you. You're the ones who refuse to allow us to be American. We're 3/5ths of a person, according to you. And don't you forget it because we won't. Now scurry back to mayonnaise RUclips.
We are the progenitors of culture because we are the true Israelites the Bible speaks of 🤦🏾♂️ we are not Black or African American we are ISRAELITES 🦁APTTMH
What's confusing about this? Its about the music structure that evolved into hip hop. It came from black american music. Yes other people participated, but hip hop originated from black american music, not salsa or reggae or whatever.
What's embarrassing is if you go back 150 years and go up until now Blues,Folk,Country,Jazz,Gospel,Rock n Roll, RnB,etc.... it all went through the samething, and people just rolled their eyes because its ridiculous argument. But at some point you have to put your foot down and call bullshit
Black Americans are 100% the creators, influence, trendsetters and the Culture pay homage to black Americans It’s just that simple black Americans created almost every genre they gave America the culture/Izm plus wasn’t no America before black Americans FBA stand up and protect our culture, creations and history don’t let nobody play wit us love you all✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸
Lord Jamar is simply giving his opinion. Remember, he came out at the same time as leaders of the new school. 🏫 he’s a new school rapper. He wasn’t there from the beginning. Who was there in the Bronx in the beginning? It was blacks, west Indians, and Puerto Ricans. This is before Brooklyn, Compton, Atlanta, Houston and everything else. From the beginning, it was them people in the Bronx - blacks, West Indians and Puerto Ricans. Trying to white wash out history now is lame.
@@locman6228 hip-hop samples all kinds of music. That’s the power of hip-hop. For example Bob James - Nautilus (sampled 154 times). Bob James is a white musician. That doesn’t mean that hip-hop is white music just because it was sampled. Jay Z sampled Punjabi MC. It doesn’t mean that hip-hop is Indian music. Hip-hop was formed in the Bronx - in the projects - by kids who didn’t have nothing. It was an art form that took whatever was available and sample it, recycled it, reinvigorated it and created something brand new. In those days, the Bronx was burning 🔥 It was like a Warzone. There were gangs abandoned buildings. Rough times. To escape to those conditions - the youth found a way - DJs spun records at parties - MCS rapped over the mic 🎤 - b boys (b girls) Performed amazing moves - subway trains were tagged by incredible graffiti art. As the trains moved from one part of the city to another, it announced the birth of this new art form to all boroughs of New York. That’s how hip-hop came about. The reality is hip-hop was founded by New Yorkers. Specifically the Bronx. Who was there? Blacks, Puerto Ricans, West Indians. It’s a fusion of what was present in New York at that time. Hip-hop didn’t start in the south. It didn’t start in Atlanta or Houston or Memphis. Matter fact, they were white clubs in Manhattan down with hip-hop in the early days while there was still playing country in the clubs down south. Today hip-hop is worldwide. it’s in every city in the US and it’s also in every region around the world. Even in China, they’ve got rappers in Chinese. But it started in the Bronx. Atlanta is now a Mecca for hip-hop. Compton is on the map. Detroit is on the map. Houston. And on and on. But the origins of hip-hop come out of the Bronx, New York by the people who there. it was Blacks, Puerto Ricans, and West Indians. So please let’s not try to whitewash the history.
@@CanaryKinshut the fuck up its created by black Americans period! if there were no black Americans there it would be no hip hop nothing would exist not the other way around fuck outta here
@@CanaryKin Bob James is a Jazz musician lol where did Jazz come from? Who did he learn from? Also, Rap and breaking comes from the south. You had Pigmeat Markham and Jazz scatters rapping before anyone in NY and just because hip hop was founded in new york means absolutely nothing because our cultures didn't fuse in new york... it doesn't fuse anywhere.
@@ra-neter6662 Caribbeans had dreads first but FBA made them flyy with the tapering and line-ups and yes we are all black but I bet you carry a native flag around to distinguish yourself.
@tonybone132 lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ok bruh u keep telling urself that. I swear as a caribbean it doesn't matter who started wearing dreads etc etc. We all black bruh. And u may not know, but carrying ur native flag is considered corny if its not carnival. Lol u know it too lol, u aint walking round with no anerican flag stop this. Yall DEFINITELY created hiphop and that fact will not help elevate the black community not one inch so whats the point? We just serving the ego.
@@blackwhyloreign441 yeah well black America includes everyone in America with black skin so that includes Jamaicans Trinidadians Baijans Haitians dark skin Cubans dark Puerto Ricans dark skin Dominicans, Panamanians, Belize, and the fact is New York had them all. But Lord Jamar was leading the charge saying that none of these immigrant groups had anything to do with the founding of hip-hop, even though Kool “fresh off the boat” Herc Jamaica has been known as the Godfather hip-hop for 50 FKN years. And no one had a problem with it until old Marcus Sanders came up with a new grift to sell a documentary
Nobody went through what The BLACK AMERICANS have and Still gonthrough, everybody that comes here, From Everywhere Else, act as if their country isn't fuxed over by the Same Oppressor that We, Black Americans are constantly at odds with, but when they come here, it's alot of nuthugging/d-riding/bootlicking/ kerning from others, not all, but the majority...Salute✊🏾
I don't think any of the hip hop pioneers who were of Caribbean descent ever said what Lord Jamar is accusing them of. The problem that we have with Lord Jamar's tone and rhetoric is that it is an exclusionary politicized narrative that comes from a hustler who's trying to get to the front of the reparations line who never cared about Hip Hop culture, or had a true knowledge of it. Not to mention he was not there when the culture was starting but now we have people like Lord Jamar who was down with Latinos and Afro-Caribbeans early in his career( just look at pictures of him and read his discography from the 90s), now on some almost quasi Trump pro-america bulls--t! He as GODbody should know to NEVER cause trouble and division amongst the original people using the mentality or the references of colonizers. 😑
@@PAPITOFLOW6969 I'm just saying if you're from Guyananese and Cape Verdean background and you're wearing dreadlocks talking about Marcus Garvey's Black Star line on your albums, and down the line you start talking about FBA and how you're not really Caribbean, you must have had an intense change of heart.
@@esseen100How could Caribbean music influence FBA'S to create jazz when we don't listen to your music nor care about your culture?? Make it make sense 🤭
Uh, just because your Latino doesn't mean you have to speak in ethnic language. I'm sure the east coast Ricans where Americanized and had city slang...............
@@oladeebiazazi4538 I don't want no one to get this wrong. I am a big fan of KRS and I support Lord Jamar. While ownage of Hip Hop is important, being west coast, I believe Hip Hop was meant to be an open universe. The art of the culture was meant to unify likeminded people with similar hardships and upbringing. Backgrounds who for the most part had nothing to lose or worry about. Getting up and hearing your neighbor made you feel like you belong and that you are someone that's how at least it hit most of us street bound in the west.
@@rewindoneit’s simply about hip hop being created solely by black Americans, black American youth, and black American music. That’s it. Latinos and West Indians didn’t co-create anything within the culture nor were they adding their own culture to hip hop culture at the very beginning. They PARTICIPATED in hip hop, they didn’t help create it.
Latino's were apart of Hip-Hop when it started = "Beat Street", "Breakin'" & "Krush Groove" ALL had a Latino's co-starring in it because they needed to represent the times + what was going on in NYC, in those movies = Sheila E, was a BIG star before Hip-Hop started, so she played a big part in why DRUMS are apart of the beat-structure in our music
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Hip hop didn't start in the mid 80s that's what you're talking about that time hip hop been part of American black culture since the 1920.
DJ Kool Herc: A Jamaican immigrant and major hip-hop DJ, Herc is considered a founding father of hip-hop. On August 11, 1973, and Donald Cortez Cornelius from "Soul Train" was Spanish so Lord Jamar needs to get his facts straight.
Jamaicans, Trinidadian, etc are the same people as Black People. Basically we are the same people just separated by so called labels: But some of our people don't know that or know True history
No, no.. dey didn't water it, Black Americans FBA specifically, created the seed, planted the seeds, grew it, and when others noticed how beautiful it was, they copied it and joined in & did what we did
The Father Of The Rhythmic Of Rap Of That Beat & Rhyme, Started With FATBACK BAND! King Tim The 3rd, B4 The Sugar Hill Gang Came Out With Rapper’s Delight! Bow To The FATHERS OF HIP HOP!!!
Before I came to America from Jamaica, I remember they would string up 2 turntables and emcees were toasting which is called rapping in America. I left in 78 and black folks young and old was disco and rnb. Next thing I know we got rundmc doing the same thing, 2 turntables and emcees rapping, in Jamaica we call it toasting. Not singing but talking shit and rhyming to instrumentals and records, at house parties. Yes, Jamaicans started that shit the same way we influenced Reggaton. Tell Jamar he was 2nd to the wackest in his group, and to leave this topic to the more melanated
This comment section is funny. I wish this could be a country/Reggae/pop discussion. There's no question about the orientation of that music. Who it's for and who creates it..but of course when it's convenient... everyone changes up
Puerto ricans wasn't on the scene and Jamaicans. None of them was on the scene. They would just stand there because that was the only thing to do in the neighborhood. They had no part nothing to do with our culture. I saw everything you need to interview me
origins of studio 1 reggae was clement Dodd bringing back R and B 45's and playing them on sound systems...American black R and B had an influence on reggae ...but reggae came from JA.. The 1st people 2 chat / rap over a record were JA mc's toasting on sound systems which had an influence on Hip Hop ..which came from America .. Black music unites ...has origins from the African mother land ... Hip hop came from the USA ..but the nature of it ..allowed it to draw on influences from a number of sources - includin the teachings of Marcus Garvey - Brand nubians themselves came out with "Blackstarliner" -a Garvey JA concept
Why cap just a small list of hip hop sample Fania All-Stars Cha Cha Cha: A 1976 track sampled by Kool G Rap in "My Life" and KRS-One in "Just Like That" Dave Cortez and the Moon People: Hippy, Skippy, Moon Strut: A 1968 track sampled by DJ Premier in Christina Aguilera's "Ain't No Other Man" Hector Lavoe: De Ti Depende: A 1976 track sampled by Cookin Soul in "Clap Those Thangs" Sister Nancy's song "Bomb Bomb" has been sampled in many hip-hop tracks, but it itself is a sample of other songs. Nancy's song was inspired by Yellowman's song of the same name, which samples the 1966 song "Bom Bom" by the Maytals. Nancy also freestyled new lyrics over a beat from Ansel Collins' "Stallik 17". Thats for jamaican music smaple bruh all hip hop has had people say spanish and jamaican stuff sample. Spanish word is rap song been around exaples reakwon You know what I mean, mira Dame te culo, mami (give me my shit back, give me my shit back) Yo, Fat Joe and them is here now, word (Shine like marbles) collects diamonds (The remix) Ayo, add on son Politic for the real ones and shoot jamaican like blood clot and bs like that been use since the start yes is a black american thing the foundation is black period but give credit were credits do 😂😂😂
Latinos did the same thing with reggae, only a small percentage admit where the culture comes from.. from they way they talk to the way they dress, all from us.. i have yet to see us start a cumbia band or call each other mujows
Truth is not something you can vote. Its whats written in stone. I wish i could have a debate with this dude and put him to shame. One of the guys mentioned that they were "sampling" American music. Where did sampling came from?🤔
Busta, rhymes, and none of them, and I'm an old school b-boy from The Bronx. Was ever at the p? A? L. None of them was ever at no parties, so they can't talk about hip hop
Think u I was waiting on someone to say it hip-hop was started by the 5% I'm not in the movement but yes that's who started rapping and it followed from that
The emphasis should be on our folk on film rapping and break dancing in the 1930s. So just stop trying to hijack our culture and be proud of your own culture. Everybody can't be the originals for whatever reason we were chosen not only in entertainment, in inventions, standing up against the colonists, etc. Immigrants you are here taking advantage of rights our people fought for. Stop trying to knock us down it is a waste of your time because we don't fall down, we stand up stronger as a united front.
Jamar needs to get the F off the powder fr. He'd make so much more sense. I do believe he is correct. It's how he explains it that makes a mess of it. Needs to get off the drugs so people can understand him better. Has to be frustrating to be that gifted and have such a crutch.
The word CYPHER is from the 90s. Waaay AFTER West Indians made their contributions to the hip hop ppl dem. I didn’t even know what the hell a 5 percenter was in the early 80s. And…And, ask this used to have hair having dread locs having mofo to find me a a hip hop artist that had locs before Jamaicans. (Mic drop).
@@reggiesmith6196 so…are you suggesting that the term cypher was around in the 70s when hip hop began? Also, prior to Eric B and Rakim; who else represented the for the Gods and the earths?
This entire conversation is divisive and anti black low key. Many of the traditions from Jamaican and Puerto Rican culture are derived from African culture. America is a land of many cultures. Many black people in those times were descendants of Jamaica, which are descendants of Africa. Same goes for some Puerto Rican people. Throughout all of the information I found regarding this topic, there is no information regarding the actual creators ethnicity. This is a flawed conversation. NYC is a melting pot. Sent borrow from eachother everyday without knowing because that's how NYers are.
🚨, Hip hop was started by a West Indian American , who sampled black American soul music, which was majority southern, who historically is infused back and forth with, African and Caribbean roots, hip hop was born in the Bronx and Latinos played a major role in carrying Hip-Hop, not just rap forward. Look back at classic hip hop footage (in the beginning) you'll see most locations being the Bronx, with blacks and tons of half black half Puerto Rican individuals partaking. Are you guys really gonna dodge Kool Herq because of this Willie Lynch syndrome? Gonna deny Crazy legs his credit as one of the earliest B-Boys that carried the culture? Speaking of Willie Lynch, he was a West Indian slave master that would travel back and forth from the Caribbean do you know why? Because blacks were being traded, bought and sold to and from the Caribbean by way of Africa by way of Israel. A good number of "black southerners" have West Indian slave and indigenous roots, and have no idea. So when Northerners mention their family in the south quite often, but not always it's only the tip of the iceberg. But when you want to celebrate flags, countries, which is celebrating the fall of God's chosen people this is what you get. More division not realizing we are all cousins who are related to Africans because that was the second stop after the displacement in Israel when we turned against The Most High. Speaking of the 5% nation isn't it funny that the very first Muslim's father was not a Muslim. Our ancestors got the warning about paganism and kept up the fuckery, when the invaders came, they ran to Africa and some were taken in by the African tribes and the others were sold by the African tribes for profit. Ever wondered why their was no rescue party even though Africans were already coming to America to trade with native Americans? Because they (Africans) sold the original Jews not Africans. Black Americans, West Indians and native Americans are all cousins. So "American Blacks" need to stop with the separation and the "foreigners" references and West Indians need to stop with the "Yankee People" references. A bunch of cousins took part in making something Good, that's on life support something called HIP-HOP ! 🤯 (Don't believe the original Jews were black?) Joseph Mary and Jesus hid in Egypt to avoid getting caught when they wanted to kill Jesus as a baby, do you believe the Egyptians were white? Or do you think they are the descendants of Turkish people that occupy Egypt now? How did the Phaoro's Daughter pass Moses as hers? If he wasn't black like the other Egyptians? 😂 , cousins made Hip-Hop and they are all black no matter the shade of brown. If the truth was too much to read you're probably too Ignorant to comprehend with too much kool aid and chicken wing msg in ya veins for ya mind to function right. Chinese food store feeding us all the same garbage 🗑️ but we don't make a fuss about stuff like that
😂Kool herc copied DJ Mario and Flash copied Pete DJ Jones Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans had nothing to do with the black American creation called Hip hop .
In China they have Chinese rappers, rapping Chinese culture, using Chinese words. So by your statement, China originated Rap. Nonsense! America just change Dancehall to Hip Hop. The product is the same.
My people if you are creating you are a creator. Timeline is irrelevant. In the mid 70's and beyond Ricans were creating hiphop. That's why In hiphop movies of the 80's. There are Ricans in the movies. 😂🤦🏾 I swear most of you expose you're own pride ego and ignorance for personal reasons
If NY Gangs started hiphop, it’s black and brown gang culture. Look at the majority of graffiti writers. There were Latin poets in NY since the 40’s. It’s a NYorican and black culture, some functions were strictly Afro Latin drumbs with breakers. And hiphop sold out on black and brown selling gang culture back and linking with the prison industrial complex. There are a lot of great Latin rappers in NY that were sandbagged by hiphop. And after all the black and brown time and death to the system, it’s great to be discharged from it! There has been afrolatino poets since the 40’s like Felipe Luciano of the Young lords back when it was still biker gangs in NY. And 99% of out of towners would never kick it in NY. Ricans were brought to America to work farms and were dumped into projects in Ny, MA, and the Chi. Should be worried about all the diddlers in hiphop anyways… Latins moved on to reggaeton and edm remixes for a wider range of audience. Last collab with black and brown was P and Nina sky… then all the drill took over…
Forgot to mention the number one podcast in hip hop is NORE that carved a lane that is reggaetons today, he is PR and God body, but some people like to chat
And Angie Martinez was the one who spun Jay when he was wack and now he’s the richest man in Hiphop (arguably music period). But ricans don’t need props to keep it moving.
Latinos did not come later to Hip Hop and the proof is that the latino Hip Hop OGs are the same age as the blk Hip Hop OGs! This is fact!! DJ Charlie Chase who is latino is 65 years old and DJ Grandmaster Flash is 66.
@ancientstar879 DJ Charlie Chase and Whipper Whip are Puerto Ricans they were in the Cold Crush Brothers rap group with Grandmaster Caz they formed in 1978 and released singles.
@ancientstar879 Here is my point is that Grandmaster Caz is called a Pioneer in Hip Hop and he is blk so if he is a pioneer then so is DJ Charlie Chase and Whipper Whip [Latinos] unless we are now doing discrimination and segregation in Hip Hop.
But cool hurt, and none of them they never ever talked about being Jamaican. They always went to black American. Experiencing. A black American culture y'all definitely need to have me up there. I could break everything down to y'all better than all of y'all
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I'm Latino (Guatemalan) I've been a hip hop year since like 83. How difficult is it to admit that Hip Hop was started by Black Americans. Just like I am always one of the few Latinos at Hip Hop events, Black Clubs or at the BBQ it was always love and I was always accepted. So in return it has been the same in Hip Hop culture..
Whoever you are, I’m black and we love you! Believe that! Peace!
@@GOILL That's Kool. Did you grow up in the South Bronx?
Big Respect to you for this statement 💯
since b4 83, I was a bboy in 75 man, don't mean we creates it
@@Taino4LifeNyc we were the 1st that appreciate it outside of Black Americans and I'm fine with that. It just means I'm (we're) not a follower(s).
The god
Hip hop is black & we influence others . Pure facts
And not only Hip Hop almost everything in history.
@sugarbait we Influence the world !
*Black American
Beat me to it. ✊🏿
We get paid off your culture while you stay busy arguing about who started it.
Pure facts. ✊
I was raised in da bronx Puerto ricans n Jamaicans were there but hip-hop was gonna happen even if 🇵🇷 or Jamaica 🇯🇲 were not been there this is black youth culture PERIOD n im rican n i approved this message 😆😁
Black Americans were already doing hip hop WE just didn’t call it Hip Hop. A lot of black Americans from the south moved up north.
Damn near all of us, I dont know one black American in nyc that dont have family who didn't migrate from the south.
@@user-pu9sc5fm8sFacts
@@user-pu9sc5fm8s exactly im a native of nyc but my grandparents on both side's come from Georgia
@@FBA-ld6tj Exactly, my family is from Alabama, and South Carolina💯
That’s a fact!
As a London born Jamaican I want this nonsense to cease, FBA are the greatest. Their are many other great original peoples but FBA have always lead the way.
You London born don't call Jamaican name in your mouth till you read sumn!
I'm a true Jamaican.
Jamaicans are the greatest and I'm not saying that cause I'm patriotic only. Come at me and be schooled mf
@@roylle6346 😂 🤣 You're funny.
Every black ethnic group has greatness too them! We just need to respect each other simple
@@EthanSolomon-hh9uc i wonder who deleted my comment?🤔
Y'all don't do truth here to make it look like no one dares confront you. I really need to have a debate with these skunks😂
👏🏾👊🏾💪🏾One love
Lord Jamar is built for this subject. He needs to get an agent and do a spin off debate pay per view following the wave of the doc that Tariq has out right now. Lord needs to go on a debate run pay per view or live paying audience!
Debate who?? nobody showed up to his stream but DJ phase and he tagged and called a lot out
@@badseedent4827 you ask debate who I’ll tell you it’s in your answer nobody showed up therefore he’s undefeated by virtue of forfeiture like forfeiting a baseball game. They didn’t show up because they have no legs to stand on in the words of John Henri Clark and Dr. Ben, the black man has no friends
I fully agree, Jamar and all the Brand Nubian have always been that.
Latinos came later in the culture…they were watching and observing while American Blacks were creating. They became good at breakdancing by watching American Blacks do it first…I grew up around Latinos, specifically Puerto Ricans. I have NEVER been to a Puerto Rican backyard cookout and/or party and heard them playing HIP-HOP. Why? Cuz it’s not their culture.
Big facts 💯
Crazy Legs called his crew Rock Steady, which was an FBA expression. Aretha Franklin had a song of the same name. DJ Kool Herc called himself that and not the Selektah Herc. He tried playing reggae at a few of his early jams in the '70s and the dancefloor cleared. He had to put the funk back on to get everybody moving again.
Answer this are cultures born by race or by region?
@@dasanman69 Race and region are often interlinked. The part of the West Bronx where hip hop originated was predominantly black, especially after the whites moved out near the end of the '60s.
@@dasanman69gotta be regions east west north and south regions have their own style and traditions
When people say hip hop is trash and destroying the community these tethers are nowhere to be found.
@@mr.culturefreedom2073 💯💯💯💯 All FACTZ
Tethers lol. It’s not ‘tethers’ who are fkin it up though.
@@mattblack9720 yes it is. Bringing trash culture from other countries to America is what tethers do. Y'all gotta do better 😂😂
hip hop is trash
Lmaooo right like whole families.........drill rap is because of africans lmfaooo@@CjBlk
"put ya rasclot hand in the air" LMAO!!!
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@@TonezworldTV 😂😂😂😂
Bumbaclatt. 🇯🇲
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We are the culture. Foundational Black American strong 👊🏾🏹🪶🪓💯
S/o to lord Jamar! Real pillar in the hip hop community
Real Guyanese blood to
Lord Jamar does lots of cherry picking to advance his narrative.
ZATINTHEODORE 🗽
Facts💯
@@figo007tv wtf does that have to do with anything?
Everything in hip hop is BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE!!!
Hip hop is culture Rap is music
Black culture, black music
Wrong. Rap is one part of HipHop.
Rap is culture. Its spoken word and poetry and griot. It's also literature. If you appreciate scrolls and books, then appreciate rap. The best raps are a great read.
Our culture was hip hop before it was named hip hop is what you other ethnicities have to understand. The walk slang dressing music parties and so forth.
@@Lawrence-mv8dwNo! Hiphop was a BX street culture in those streets where the Rican and Blacks. In NY Ricans and Blacks been creating dances and music since early 1900s. Stop playing yourself
Lord Jamar is Right! I was wondering the same. If Black and Latinos created hip hop where are the spanish words in hip hop? Why Dj Charlie Chase had to change his name? Why Crazy Legs wasnt b boying to salsa in th 80's? It was birth out of FBA culture. Period.
@@seandagod2169 another question is where are all of these Latino and Caribbean pioneer rap groups that they claim help start hip hop??? Exactly how and what did they contribute?
And since they brought hip hop to America where’s the hip hop influence back in the Caribbean and Latin countries that they come from??? I’ll wait!!??
No he isn't. He's a wack rapper with a wack rap catalogue. He would get demolished by KRS-ONE in a battle. Lord Jamar was NOT and is NOT successful in Hip-Hop. KRS has dropped over 20 albums and stays touring and doing shows. You need to change who you looking up to.
@@louisalicea5237 you havent answered my questions?
@@louisalicea5237 stop it! that ninja is part of the legendary rap group brand Nubian!! Just because someone is better at something doesn’t make them right in a argument! Use common sense bro
KRS One infused politics into this by saying Black folk needed other groups to start something. This is the same KRS One who on “Why Is That” claims the people in the Bible were Black.
Jamar is right. I’m from Oklahoma City born in 1976. From when I got the product in the very early 80s, I didn’t know what a Puerto Rican was. I had an idea of what a Jamaican was because of reggae.
Peace to the gods and the earths
Kris-one and Busta are all agents 💯
Im African, grew up in both the Bx & Queens since 1980 & Lord Jamar is right.
ALL BLACK MEN THAT LOVE AFRICA NEED TO TRAVEL N BUY LAND IN HAWAIIS NORTH SHORE... ITS GOING TO BE THE REBIRTH OF HUMANITY.
DISCO KING MARIO, that dude needs to be talked about of the formation of hip hop before cool herc
Damn, this show, the chemistry, the lighting is lit.
American Blks was only true sneaker heads in the late 70s early 80’s
Don't forget us NYC Italians plus we had the money
Stop it whites folks were the original sneaker heads , they also were the first rocking Sergio tacchini most of you idiots don't know how culture works.
I’ve been saying the sneaker game is washed because everybody is involved now. When it was just us Black Americans, the sneaker game was real culture .
I have a vid about sneaker culture and how its Black American culture
@@diordondiordon6314 i have a video saying african americans created God and the heavens so it has to be the truth.
The two dudes in the show are Caribbean but they too scared to admit it !
Lmao even when they agree with u. U still too dumb to see it
Exactly
Lol all 3. Lord jamar is guyanese
Facts 🔥🔥
What does that have to do with anything?
Actual Solar Facts. Word.
I remember when freestyle music came out so many nyc latinos jumped from hip hop to support that genre that they felt they created. Same cam be said for jamaicams when dancehallcame on the scene. So that gives credence to Jamar's point. They always knew this was a black american created genre.
Younger generation of American Freedmen..lesson learned don't be overly inclusive.
He is just defending his people and culture as he should
We argue about things we already know. The real question is why we don’t own the culture! 90-95% of these dudes and ladies don’t even own their own music. The man still owns their catalogs and passing it down to their children. We’re sitting here debating about silly shit and he’s laughing.
Yo!!!!!!
Exactly the ones who making the most out of it. Lyor Cohens, jimmy Iovines, Tom Silvermans etc etc, laughing at these dudes arguing for prestige and history not benefitting one bit as a culture financially.
Right!
I practically said the same thing on one of his videos!
Distribution man. That's how they control the game
The same question can be asked of any music genre. Any music produced in America is probably owned by someone else.
If you think DJ Herc was the ONLY DJ in early Hip-Hop (newsflash: he wasn't)....you are revealing your YOUTH AND IGNORANCE.
As a pre-1980 baby, veteran NYC Educator, and protector of Black culture....I've taught our history to the youth WAY before these lies were spread. Many adults born from 1988--2000 can validate my statements. I provided nearly ALL the timelines from slavery spirituals....to Ragtime music....to old films of our music and dance from the 1920's Harlem Renaissance....to the actual footage Bessie Smith and the Blues (also 1920's), etc.
We will NOT repeat the cultural erasure of Ancient Africa, or Rock n' Roll !!! I will debate ANYONE and I'm super petty and meticulous. My students even knew about Scott Joplin, Sam Cooke, Little Richard and Chuck Berry. Even the styles, dancing, and slang of gay culture is from gay, BLACK males....who were influenced by BLACK WOMEN (relatives and friends). If [the documentary] "Paris Is Burning" weren't released, they'd try to give all credit of Voguing to Madonna!! Unlike 1980's--2000 babies, I witnessed all of this, IN REAL TIME.
There are SEVERAL, NATIONAL NEWS REPORTS from 1980 (not 1990...2000...or 2024. I said 1980) correctly crediting BLACK AMERICAN CULTURE for the NEW addition of Hip-Hop. All of the elders were still alive and had a platform. So why didn't they protest this? EXACTLY. STOP CO-OPTING BLACK CULTURE!!
Why do you say black and not American? Why is colour above nationality for you?
It was definitely Brooklyn DJs before him
Ethnicity is above everything when you enter the real world. But i respect this brothers passion.@@mattblack9720
When is your next class so I can pull up a chair? 🥰 Knowledge is power, indeed!
@@mattblack9720Because it is to you. You're the ones who refuse to allow us to be American. We're 3/5ths of a person, according to you. And don't you forget it because we won't. Now scurry back to mayonnaise RUclips.
"Failure is an Orphan, Success has many Fathers." I never heard that quote before that's ill
Damn, I always thought Hip Hop was about peace, love, unity, and having fun. Higher Infinite positivity Healing Our People. I guess I was wrong.
We are the progenitors of culture because we are the true Israelites the Bible speaks of 🤦🏾♂️ we are not Black or African American we are ISRAELITES 🦁APTTMH
What's confusing about this? Its about the music structure that evolved into hip hop. It came from black american music. Yes other people participated, but hip hop originated from black american music, not salsa or reggae or whatever.
What's embarrassing is if you go back 150 years and go up until now Blues,Folk,Country,Jazz,Gospel,Rock n Roll, RnB,etc.... it all went through the samething, and people just rolled their eyes because its ridiculous argument. But at some point you have to put your foot down and call bullshit
Funny, Lord Jamar’s band mate Puba says a bunch of Jamaican words, says and references in his bars. Big up, big up (360°)
Im puerto rican and I agree with Jamar. Why people having a heart ache about this topic.
its only hispanics that are in their feelings about this.
Black people stared all music
Black Americans are 100% the creators, influence, trendsetters and the Culture pay homage to black Americans It’s just that simple black Americans created almost every genre they gave America the culture/Izm plus wasn’t no America before black Americans FBA stand up and protect our culture, creations and history don’t let nobody play wit us love you all✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸✊🏾🇺🇸
Actual Facts
WS gets 90% of the money.
Tf we debating for
I love Jamar. I grew up following Brand Nubian lead in Hip Hop Culture directly.
WHEN YOU TELL THE TRUTH .. YOU SHAME THE DEVIL ..
Exactly... that's why I stay away from people who get mad at the truth. They are filled with the d'evil or the devil.
Lord Jamar is simply giving his opinion. Remember, he came out at the same time as leaders of the new school. 🏫 he’s a new school rapper. He wasn’t there from the beginning.
Who was there in the Bronx in the beginning? It was blacks, west Indians, and Puerto Ricans. This is before Brooklyn, Compton, Atlanta, Houston and everything else.
From the beginning, it was them people in the Bronx - blacks, West Indians and Puerto Ricans. Trying to white wash out history now is lame.
It's not opinion .The rap that came in the biggining you can listen to it now. They were sampling black American music. That's a fact.
He's ahead of leaders of new school he came right after juice crew and before boogie down productions 1988-
@@locman6228 hip-hop samples all kinds of music. That’s the power of hip-hop. For example Bob James - Nautilus (sampled 154 times). Bob James is a white musician. That doesn’t mean that hip-hop is white music just because it was sampled. Jay Z sampled Punjabi MC. It doesn’t mean that hip-hop is Indian music.
Hip-hop was formed in the Bronx - in the projects - by kids who didn’t have nothing. It was an art form that took whatever was available and sample it, recycled it, reinvigorated it and created something brand new.
In those days, the Bronx was burning 🔥 It was like a Warzone. There were gangs abandoned buildings. Rough times. To escape to those conditions - the youth found a way - DJs spun records at parties - MCS rapped over the mic 🎤 - b boys (b girls) Performed amazing moves - subway trains were tagged by incredible graffiti art. As the trains moved from one part of the city to another, it announced the birth of this new art form to all boroughs of New York. That’s how hip-hop came about. The reality is hip-hop was founded by New Yorkers. Specifically the Bronx. Who was there? Blacks, Puerto Ricans, West Indians. It’s a fusion of what was present in New York at that time.
Hip-hop didn’t start in the south. It didn’t start in Atlanta or Houston or Memphis. Matter fact, they were white clubs in Manhattan down with hip-hop in the early days while there was still playing country in the clubs down south.
Today hip-hop is worldwide. it’s in every city in the US and it’s also in every region around the world. Even in China, they’ve got rappers in Chinese. But it started in the Bronx. Atlanta is now a Mecca for hip-hop. Compton is on the map. Detroit is on the map. Houston. And on and on. But the origins of hip-hop come out of the Bronx, New York by the people who there. it was Blacks, Puerto Ricans, and West Indians.
So please let’s not try to whitewash the history.
@@CanaryKinshut the fuck up its created by black Americans period! if there were no black Americans there it would be no hip hop nothing would exist not the other way around fuck outta here
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Bob James is a Jazz musician lol where did Jazz come from? Who did he learn from? Also, Rap and breaking comes from the south. You had Pigmeat Markham and Jazz scatters rapping before anyone in NY and just because hip hop was founded in new york means absolutely nothing because our cultures didn't fuse in new york... it doesn't fuse anywhere.
I enjoy listening to these 3 men talk.
As a black African growing in Africa, all we knew about African American is hip hop culture to the extent of calling Latino rappers ‘nigga’.
Do Jamaicans and Latinos influence anything in today’s culture?
They do not.
Hell naw
@@tonybone132 lmao bruh show me americans with dreads before caribbeans came. Also what point are you trying to make we all black stop thr hate
@@ra-neter6662 Caribbeans had dreads first but FBA made them flyy with the tapering and line-ups and yes we are all black but I bet you carry a native flag around to distinguish yourself.
@tonybone132 lmaooooooooooooooooooooooooooo ok bruh u keep telling urself that. I swear as a caribbean it doesn't matter who started wearing dreads etc etc. We all black bruh. And u may not know, but carrying ur native flag is considered corny if its not carnival. Lol u know it too lol, u aint walking round with no anerican flag stop this. Yall DEFINITELY created hiphop and that fact will not help elevate the black community not one inch so whats the point? We just serving the ego.
So the question becomes ultimately, what is American? And what makes America so special? Everyone came here from somewhere else.
Easy Black America Is the Culture that Makes America appealing.
@@blackwhyloreign441 yeah well black America includes everyone in America with black skin so that includes Jamaicans Trinidadians Baijans Haitians dark skin Cubans dark Puerto Ricans dark skin Dominicans, Panamanians, Belize, and the fact is New York had them all. But Lord Jamar was leading the charge saying that none of these immigrant groups had anything to do with the founding of hip-hop, even though Kool “fresh off the boat” Herc Jamaica has been known as the Godfather hip-hop for 50 FKN years.
And no one had a problem with it until old Marcus Sanders came up with a new grift to sell a documentary
Black people were kidnapped and brought here, they weren't immigrants
Nobody went through what The BLACK AMERICANS have and Still gonthrough, everybody that comes here, From Everywhere Else, act as if their country isn't fuxed over by the Same Oppressor that We, Black Americans are constantly at odds with, but when they come here, it's alot of nuthugging/d-riding/bootlicking/ kerning from others, not all, but the majority...Salute✊🏾
some people have trouble understanding something so simple/obvious
All facts
Facts.
Truth hurts
I don't think any of the hip hop pioneers who were of Caribbean descent ever said what Lord Jamar is accusing them of. The problem that we have with Lord Jamar's tone and rhetoric is that it is an exclusionary politicized narrative that comes from a hustler who's trying to get to the front of the reparations line who never cared about Hip Hop culture, or had a true knowledge of it. Not to mention he was not there when the culture was starting but now we have people like Lord Jamar who was down with Latinos and Afro-Caribbeans early in his career( just look at pictures of him and read his discography from the 90s), now on some almost quasi Trump pro-america bulls--t! He as GODbody should know to NEVER cause trouble and division amongst the original people using the mentality or the references of colonizers. 😑
Black Americans influenced carribeans to make Ska and Reggae. We just dont talk about it.😂😂
@@andremiller1566 Caribbean music influenced Americans to make Jazz, Rock and Roll, and .. what's your point?
so lord jamar is a hypocrite
@@PAPITOFLOW6969 I'm just saying if you're from Guyananese and Cape Verdean background and you're wearing dreadlocks talking about Marcus Garvey's Black Star line on your albums, and down the line you start talking about FBA and how you're not really Caribbean, you must have had an intense change of heart.
@@esseen100How could Caribbean music influence FBA'S to create jazz when we don't listen to your music nor care about your culture?? Make it make sense 🤭
The responsibility is on you now’
you must get Joe and Lord Jamar to have a sit down and discourse for the culture. It’ll flip your shit instantly
OUR CULTURE...
Uh, just because your Latino doesn't mean you have to speak in ethnic language. I'm sure the east coast Ricans where Americanized and had city slang...............
Yea that’s true
@@oladeebiazazi4538 I don't want no one to get this wrong. I am a big fan of KRS and I support Lord Jamar. While ownage of Hip Hop is important, being west coast, I believe Hip Hop was meant to be an open universe. The art of the culture was meant to unify likeminded people with similar hardships and upbringing. Backgrounds who for the most part had nothing to lose or worry about. Getting up and hearing your neighbor made you feel like you belong and that you are someone that's how at least it hit most of us street bound in the west.
@@rewindoneit’s simply about hip hop being created solely by black Americans, black American youth, and black American music. That’s it. Latinos and West Indians didn’t co-create anything within the culture nor were they adding their own culture to hip hop culture at the very beginning. They PARTICIPATED in hip hop, they didn’t help create it.
Latino's were apart of Hip-Hop when it started = "Beat Street", "Breakin'" & "Krush Groove" ALL had a Latino's co-starring in it because they needed to represent the times + what was going on in NYC, in those movies = Sheila E, was a BIG star before Hip-Hop started, so she played a big part in why DRUMS are apart of the beat-structure in our music
@@DaFactsNoNonsense1713 Hip hop didn't start in the mid 80s that's what you're talking about that time hip hop been part of American black culture since the 1920.
DJ Kool Herc: A Jamaican immigrant and major hip-hop DJ, Herc is considered a founding father of hip-hop. On August 11, 1973, and Donald Cortez Cornelius from "Soul Train" was Spanish so Lord Jamar needs to get his facts straight.
The last name Cornelius is as black as it gets. My best friends middle name is Juan. He ain't Spanish either.
Jamaicans, Trinidadian, etc are the same people as Black People. Basically we are the same people just separated by so called labels: But some of our people don't know that or know True history
James Brown is The founding father of HH. Clyde Stubblefield. Louis Jordan. Pigmeat Markham. Fuck 1973. This thing is much older than that.
@@andremiller1566 Agreed, but we're talking about 50 years ago and counting, when it was identified as it's own genre and culture.
@@Ahmadu100 Carter Cornelius (his dad) was black. Thelma Booth (his mother) was black.
they been working on this for a while have you heard of this movie B-Girl (2009)...peep it....its like the 10 commandments lol
Black ppl planted the seeds of Hip Hop….no question….Puerto Ricans , Jamaicans etc…for damn sure watered it!
No, no.. dey didn't water it, Black Americans FBA specifically, created the seed, planted the seeds, grew it, and when others noticed how beautiful it was, they copied it and joined in & did what we did
Carribeans joined but look at any music throughout american history who created it and who were imitated the most.
Facts. So I’m guessing they started the Black Panthers as well.
I was born at Albert Einstein Hospital too! ☺️
.....👀...u have natural lashes......looks like natural hair.
That's pretty smart😂
The Father Of The Rhythmic Of Rap Of That Beat & Rhyme, Started With FATBACK BAND! King Tim The 3rd, B4 The Sugar Hill Gang Came Out With Rapper’s Delight! Bow To The FATHERS OF HIP HOP!!!
Before I came to America from Jamaica, I remember they would string up 2 turntables and emcees were toasting which is called rapping in America. I left in 78 and black folks young and old was disco and rnb.
Next thing I know we got rundmc doing the same thing, 2 turntables and emcees rapping, in Jamaica we call it toasting. Not singing but talking shit and rhyming to instrumentals and records, at house parties. Yes, Jamaicans started that shit the same way we influenced Reggaton. Tell Jamar he was 2nd to the wackest in his group, and to leave this topic to the more melanated
Graffiti breakdancing, ballet rapping DJ hype man play the role and hip-hop early beginning
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Grandmaster Cash
Is the real father of hip hop. Kool Herc more less Rosa Parked the culture which makes him the first culture vulture.
Most early Def Jam artists produced by Rick Reuben drums were taken from white rock groups
This comment section is funny. I wish this could be a country/Reggae/pop discussion. There's no question about the orientation of that music. Who it's for and who creates it..but of course when it's convenient... everyone changes up
Shout out to bagfuel from the Moxfuel
Tell the Truth.
Puerto ricans wasn't on the scene and Jamaicans. None of them was on the scene. They would just stand there because that was the only thing to do in the neighborhood. They had no part nothing to do with our culture. I saw everything you need to interview me
I think Fraud Jamar is mad because he wasnt offered a pateleo
First here 🤣🤣🤣
origins of studio 1 reggae was clement Dodd bringing back R and B 45's and playing them on sound systems...American black R and B had an influence on reggae ...but reggae came from JA..
The 1st people 2 chat / rap over a record were JA mc's toasting on sound systems which had an influence on Hip Hop ..which came from America ..
Black music unites ...has origins from the African mother land ...
Hip hop came from the USA ..but the nature of it ..allowed it to draw on influences from a number of sources - includin the teachings of Marcus Garvey - Brand nubians themselves came out with "Blackstarliner" -a Garvey JA concept
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Lord Jamar Allah
Why cap just a small list of hip hop sample Fania All-Stars Cha Cha Cha: A 1976 track sampled by Kool G Rap in "My Life" and KRS-One in "Just Like That"
Dave Cortez and the Moon People: Hippy, Skippy, Moon Strut: A 1968 track sampled by DJ Premier in Christina Aguilera's "Ain't No Other Man"
Hector Lavoe: De Ti Depende: A 1976 track sampled by Cookin Soul in "Clap Those Thangs" Sister Nancy's song "Bomb Bomb" has been sampled in many hip-hop tracks, but it itself is a sample of other songs. Nancy's song was inspired by Yellowman's song of the same name, which samples the 1966 song "Bom Bom" by the Maytals. Nancy also freestyled new lyrics over a beat from Ansel Collins' "Stallik 17". Thats for jamaican music smaple bruh all hip hop has had people say spanish and jamaican stuff sample. Spanish word is rap song been around exaples reakwon You know what I mean, mira
Dame te culo, mami (give me my shit back, give me my shit back)
Yo, Fat Joe and them is here now, word
(Shine like marbles) collects diamonds
(The remix)
Ayo, add on son
Politic for the real ones and shoot jamaican like blood clot and bs like that been use since the start yes is a black american thing the foundation is black period but give credit were credits do 😂😂😂
The Father‼️Whom has Lord Jamar defeated in a debate????? Call out Fab Five Freddy, or Joe Conzo, maybe even Devastating Tito.
Latinos did the same thing with reggae, only a small percentage admit where the culture comes from.. from they way they talk to the way they dress, all from us.. i have yet to see us start a cumbia band or call each other mujows
"steelo" from estilo is the only one
You have Krs and herc on record saying this trickled down from James brown. Being the first mc. The first b boy.
Truth is not something you can vote. Its whats written in stone. I wish i could have a debate with this dude and put him to shame. One of the guys mentioned that they were "sampling" American music. Where did sampling came from?🤔
He’s right 🤷🏽♀️ get over it!
Jamal is right, it's a black thing.
Hey man Dominicans & Mexicans make pizza @ a pizza shop it don't mean they created it.
Was there any other way to speak to KRS instead of ranting all over the socials?
Busta, rhymes, and none of them, and I'm an old school b-boy from The Bronx.
Was ever at the p? A? L. None of them was ever at no parties, so they can't talk about hip hop
Think u I was waiting on someone to say it hip-hop was started by the 5% I'm not in the movement but yes that's who started rapping and it followed from that
Krs one was using Jamaican words
Jamaica calls it YANKEE music...
@@Cahluvca Jamar is weird .. if you so into making Hiphop.. why don’t you make Hiphop anymore? Do you suck at it ?
So was Jamar ironically
@@bbqueens1111 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
The emphasis should be on our folk on film rapping and break dancing in the 1930s. So just stop trying to hijack our culture and be proud of your own culture. Everybody can't be the originals for whatever reason we were chosen not only in entertainment, in inventions, standing up against the colonists, etc. Immigrants you are here taking advantage of rights our people fought for. Stop trying to knock us down it is a waste of your time because we don't fall down, we stand up stronger as a united front.
Jamar needs to get the F off the powder fr. He'd make so much more sense. I do believe he is correct. It's how he explains it that makes a mess of it. Needs to get off the drugs so people can understand him better. Has to be frustrating to be that gifted and have such a crutch.
The word CYPHER is from the 90s. Waaay AFTER West Indians made their contributions to the hip hop ppl dem. I didn’t even know what the hell a 5 percenter was in the early 80s. And…And, ask this used to have hair having dread locs having mofo to find me a a hip hop artist that had locs before Jamaicans. (Mic drop).
what does your singular and anecdotal experience have to do with the overall??
@@reggiesmith6196 lol check this boule out
@@reggiesmith6196lol check out this boule? 2:30 I’m referring to this point.
i understand that. im asking you what does your personal experience and knowledge or lack thereof in the 80s have to do with NYC in the 80s overall??
@@reggiesmith6196 so…are you suggesting that the term cypher was around in the 70s when hip hop began? Also, prior to Eric B and Rakim; who else represented the for the Gods and the earths?
The hip hop conversation started because of Tariq Nasheed
Incorrect, it all started when buster and Fat Joe said fba have no culture and they created hip hop...
Not only can you take a dna test to see who is the father. You can also take a dna test to prove you are AFRICAN Lord Jamar 😂😂😂😂
This entire conversation is divisive and anti black low key. Many of the traditions from Jamaican and Puerto Rican culture are derived from African culture. America is a land of many cultures. Many black people in those times were descendants of Jamaica, which are descendants of Africa. Same goes for some Puerto Rican people. Throughout all of the information I found regarding this topic, there is no information regarding the actual creators ethnicity. This is a flawed conversation. NYC is a melting pot. Sent borrow from eachother everyday without knowing because that's how NYers are.
🚨, Hip hop was started by a West Indian American , who sampled black American soul music, which was majority southern, who historically is infused back and forth with, African and Caribbean roots, hip hop was born in the Bronx and Latinos played a major role in carrying Hip-Hop, not just rap forward. Look back at classic hip hop footage (in the beginning) you'll see most locations being the Bronx, with blacks and tons of half black half Puerto Rican individuals partaking. Are you guys really gonna dodge Kool Herq because of this Willie Lynch syndrome? Gonna deny Crazy legs his credit as one of the earliest B-Boys that carried the culture? Speaking of Willie Lynch, he was a West Indian slave master that would travel back and forth from the Caribbean do you know why? Because blacks were being traded, bought and sold to and from the Caribbean by way of Africa by way of Israel. A good number of "black southerners" have West Indian slave and indigenous roots, and have no idea. So when Northerners mention their family in the south quite often, but not always it's only the tip of the iceberg. But when you want to celebrate flags, countries, which is celebrating the fall of God's chosen people this is what you get. More division not realizing we are all cousins who are related to Africans because that was the second stop after the displacement in Israel when we turned against The Most High. Speaking of the 5% nation isn't it funny that the very first Muslim's father was not a Muslim. Our ancestors got the warning about paganism and kept up the fuckery, when the invaders came, they ran to Africa and some were taken in by the African tribes and the others were sold by the African tribes for profit. Ever wondered why their was no rescue party even though Africans were already coming to America to trade with native Americans? Because they (Africans) sold the original Jews not Africans. Black Americans, West Indians and native Americans are all cousins. So "American Blacks" need to stop with the separation and the "foreigners" references and West Indians need to stop with the "Yankee People" references. A bunch of cousins took part in making something Good, that's on life support something called HIP-HOP ! 🤯 (Don't believe the original Jews were black?) Joseph Mary and Jesus hid in Egypt to avoid getting caught when they wanted to kill Jesus as a baby, do you believe the Egyptians were white? Or do you think they are the descendants of Turkish people that occupy Egypt now? How did the Phaoro's Daughter pass Moses as hers? If he wasn't black like the other Egyptians? 😂 , cousins made Hip-Hop and they are all black no matter the shade of brown. If the truth was too much to read you're probably too Ignorant to comprehend with too much kool aid and chicken wing msg in ya veins for ya mind to function right. Chinese food store feeding us all the same garbage 🗑️ but we don't make a fuss about stuff like that
😂Kool herc copied DJ Mario and Flash copied Pete DJ Jones Jamaicans and Puerto Ricans had nothing to do with the black American creation called Hip hop .
In China they have Chinese rappers, rapping Chinese culture, using Chinese words. So by your statement, China originated Rap. Nonsense! America just change Dancehall to Hip Hop. The product is the same.
Hip Hop is older than Dancehall. Dancehall has never influenced the creation of a music of genre here.
My people if you are creating you are a creator. Timeline is irrelevant. In the mid 70's and beyond Ricans were creating hiphop.
That's why In hiphop movies of the 80's. There are Ricans in the movies.
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I swear most of you expose you're own pride ego and ignorance for personal reasons
If NY Gangs started hiphop, it’s black and brown gang culture. Look at the majority of graffiti writers. There were Latin poets in NY since the 40’s. It’s a NYorican and black culture, some functions were strictly Afro Latin drumbs with breakers. And hiphop sold out on black and brown selling gang culture back and linking with the prison industrial complex. There are a lot of great Latin rappers in NY that were sandbagged by hiphop. And after all the black and brown time and death to the system, it’s great to be discharged from it! There has been afrolatino poets since the 40’s like Felipe Luciano of the Young lords back when it was still biker gangs in NY. And 99% of out of towners would never kick it in NY. Ricans were brought to America to work farms and were dumped into projects in Ny, MA, and the Chi. Should be worried about all the diddlers in hiphop anyways… Latins moved on to reggaeton and edm remixes for a wider range of audience. Last collab with black and brown was P and Nina sky… then all the drill took over…
Forgot to mention the number one podcast in hip hop is NORE that carved a lane that is reggaetons today, he is PR and God body, but some people like to chat
And Angie Martinez was the one who spun Jay when he was wack and now he’s the richest man in Hiphop (arguably music period). But ricans don’t need props to keep it moving.
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Latinos did not come later to Hip Hop and the proof is that the latino Hip Hop OGs are the same age as the blk Hip Hop OGs! This is fact!! DJ Charlie Chase who is latino is 65 years old and DJ Grandmaster Flash is 66.
Does he have a record out ?
@ancientstar879 DJ Charlie Chase and Whipper Whip are Puerto Ricans they were in the Cold Crush Brothers rap group with Grandmaster Caz they formed in 1978 and released singles.
@ancientstar879 Here is my point is that Grandmaster Caz is called a Pioneer in Hip Hop and he is blk so if he is a pioneer then so is DJ Charlie Chase and Whipper Whip [Latinos] unless we are now doing discrimination and segregation in Hip Hop.
But cool hurt, and none of them they never ever talked about being Jamaican. They always went to black American. Experiencing. A black American culture y'all definitely need to have me up there. I could break everything down to y'all better than all of y'all