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Great video. Its still disappointing that Chooch can easily overpower the Extreme at that speed and charge level. He is not a heavy rider. Also Begode needs better firmware to improve safety (like Veteran).
chooch is not heavy rider, but he is the most skilled aggressive rider out there, so he could easily over power it just because he is so used to the confident of his riding skill. just the wheel is not able to keep up with the way he ride.
EUC riders are so delusional. The wheel turned off at 35+ mph and that alone is completely unacceptable. That is not rider error, that is due to underpowered and terribly designed wheels. You need to stop blaming it on riders when the technology is not even close to being ready for the public. Make EUCs better before you promote this junk to anyone else.
No it didn't.. it was 45mph from analyzing the video footage.. this is normal at such a low battery %.. any other lower powered wheel would have cutout way sooner
It's not a safety issue it's a design philosophy. You can add all the safety you want on begode like on other wheels. The only difference is that the forced tilt back is not forced unless enabled by the user. Sorry to sound biased, but the other manufacturers would not exist if it wasn't because of Gotway/begode. It's an extremely high-performance company with amazing machines that require the rider to understand its potential as well as its obvious limitations. There is very little hand holding with begode machines, and for someone like me, that's a very good thing because I can play in the danger zone as long as I understand the specifications.
You don't know what you're talking about.. they have all the safety warnings including tilt back you want.. like ustride said you simply need to know how to use them optimally depending on how far you want to push it or not and if you don't and cutout that's your fault.. not begode's
I'd argue that it's a firmware issue, and a cutout, just because there wasn't enough time to respond from the first beep until the cutout. If Chooch had quickly leaned forward then I'd agree that it's totally rider fault, and an over torque, but Chooch was doing a smooth constant acceleration, which should be easily predictable for the computer to give a timely beep. If a beep happens too close to the cutout on smooth acceleration then that seems like a firmware issue as much as rider issue to me. Fortunately it's an easy fix. Just set your max mph to a lower speed until Begode addresses the firmware issue. I'm just glad Chooch came out of it doing okay. Always wear your gear!
As an EUC riding electrical engineer with plenty of experience, this incident smells very much like a bad cell or a high resistance connection somewhere in the battery/cabling, or a problem with the power electronics in the motor controller. The fact that the battery indicator sagged when loaded and popped up again when unloaded shows a larger than normal voltage drop under normal riding conditions which then falsely tricked the controller into thinking the battery was dead as he leaned forward and caused the crash. He would need to load test the batteries and all cables up to the connection into the motor controller then measure where the voltage drop is occurring, and fix the bad connection/replace the bad cell
Rider error LOL 😂Beware of Begode! It’s a cut out plain and simple. Begode fan boys be hating on chooch.…. I would choose to take up jogging before riding a Begode.
Great analysis U-Stride ... I'm not seeing cut outs on the Extreme, so if it was a batch issue, it should be more common. Chooch did state in a later video he was riding with the 40T cells 1900wh battery vs the 2600wh 50e cells battery. My next wheel is a tossup between the Extreme and the EX-30 but leaning more towards the EX-30 as I'm street rider ... my guess is you're liking that wheel?
Why didn't Begode set it up to initiate a tilt back before beeps? I On my kingsong S22 there are three different speeds you can set to beep, then tilt back for safety. Just weird that the wheel didn't tip him back. InMotion is really good about this.
I'm sorry to sound like this, but Gotway has always been centered around letting the rider decide. It's an advanced machine. With that said, you can set it up yourself
It's been shown in the past that Chooch first instinct after crash is to blame the wheel entirely . When he crashed the Inmotion V12 HT it was the same thing and that was a lot more obvious riders error than this . Then after a while he sort of tried to make up for it maybe because he got called out by the manufacturers for false advertisement by making a bunch of videos claiming that that euc was his all time favorite wheel and so on .
You can see that he was already opening his hands to protect the fall after two beeps actually, so depending upon his reaction time, the actual cut-out may have occurred after one beep.
100% agreed. Over torque in my opinion. It’s just not designed for sustained speed. It’s a trail wheel not a full blast balls to the wall flat out speed wheel. Good analysis man, always watching bro keep it up U Stride.
No, it doesn't fall as it beeps. The rider was pushing beyond the beep, which is what caused the crash. That's true for any wheel from any manufacturer. It sucks that they haven't come up with a solid way to prevent that, but that's how they all work. The v13 is the only exception. The buffer is so big on the v13 above 80% battery that that's the closest we've got so far to having a no cutout wheel.
Thanks for the thoughts! Makes lots of sense and seeing Choochs second vid you’re correct. BTW Chooch should have known he was on 40 🪫 and only working with 1900v. No big deal just his mistake. ✌️ The graph with the torque and speed was perfect!
I know these wheels are in development mode (They are fairly new to the market, and many manufactures are trying things ), these wheels should not be so easy to cut out, if anything they should slow the wheel down until a complete stop, not throw the rider off the wheel...these wheels need to fix that asap. Even little things, like on my V12 the power button should be under the front or rear bumpers/side, not at the top on the wheel, because it is easy to accidently hit the button while seated riding and the power go off while riding and the rider falls...That is not safe at all. Put a case/guard around it at least
It is a cutout. It didn’t function as expected. The beeps should have occurred much earlier prior to cutting out. You can see in the video that he didn’t shift his weight forward. It was a steady lean. I can see it doing this if he lunged forward even slightly. The wheel did not give fair warning to justify cutting out that quickly after the beeps especially not torquing aggressively.
even if the cut out was at a 50mph it would still be Begode's fault. they should try to prevent a high power draw way before rider attempts to do it (knowingly or unknowingly), solution to high power draw is not a cut out, its trying to prevent it from happening
You lost me bro, BS, cutout pure and simple. What kind of wheel would cut out on you midway through the 3rd beep. Anyway you slice it it's poor design, and poor safety on the side of Begode. I really think you've lost your marbles on this US, EUC's are supposed to beep at you as a warning before they cut off, that's why they're beeps. You're making all kinds of assumptions in this video. The 7 different EUC's I've ever had, not one of them has ever cut out on me like this.
Excellent research btw - not many would bother doing the research. That behqviour is why cutouts happen at speed. Higher speeds slowly reduce the amount of current (ans thus torque) that can be pulled by the motor. Just a result of physics and why you should stay well away from free spin (max backemf) speed.
One thing for sure that I like is after Chooch crashed the extreme that unicycle got right up and he rode it again and he took it on the trails and beat the hell out of it with no problems. I like it, that’s my next wheel.
This was a cut out, and he has the T40 Version which seems to destroy the battery life a lot faster than the 50E. The Canadian riders (Ride One) were going super fast on the Extreme but they had the 50E version. Also when it comes to the beeps on this wheel, one of the people who tried it in that video complained that the wheel's beeps weren't alarming in time and was leaving the rider with no room to slow down in time. This wheel has a firmware issue for sure that needs to be fixed quickly before it can be trusted. There have been several complaints about this wheel from several riders including one who posted about a cut out as well going close to 50 mph. This wheel is not a street wheel at all and shouldn't be trusted over 35 mph. It's Not safe after that. I am now wondering if that's why Milly from Begode decided to come to the states was it because of all of the complaints about the Extreme?
some people dont understand what a street wheel is and tries to loop street wheel with fast wheels. any offroading wheel can be used on the street, just gotta know the limit of the wheel. Many many people are stupid and full send right away without even monitoring or knowing the limit of their wheel. Like less than 20 miles in and they're already full sending. Come on lol, pushing 50mph when an ex30 can bearly maintain that speed and its a 3600wh/20" tire. Oh yea let me try to go 60mph in 8 seconds on a v13 and blame it on the wheel because its not suppose to be able to cutout. Come on bro. 16" tire, you can easily increase its speed way faster than you can on a 20" tire, the beeps/range of saftey margin/pwm will increase way faster and easier on a 16" than 20". People riding 16" tire like they do on 20" and cutout like a noob and blame the wheel and beeps.
This analysis might be wrong because you just can't maintain a constant speed of 40 m/h without leaning forward, to compensate wind drag. And a 360 camera's FOV may exaggerate the actual leaning angle.
There are varying levels of lean from gradual to aggressive. He leaned too hard to quickly for that wheel at the stats he was at the time. Rider error IMO
@Alejandro388 that's up for debate because he didn't release any data. But the word is he was using low output batteries, not the high-performance ones, so that goes to my point as well.
The wheel was working as it should, but this is still a safety issue... there should be enough head room to allow for tilt back to mitigate a cut out. Its dangerous that the wheel could even allow this to happen.. beeps don't mean anything if the user can force the wheel to do something that it doesnt have the power to support.
Also several people broke down his speed going by the yellow lines and the distance according to state law and he was going at least 45mph not 30-35 mph like he claimed.
No it didn't give enough warning to react. The fact the wheel being advertised by chase isn't the same getting sold. I canceled my order of this wheel based off safety and build quality. Until begode steps up their game on safety and build quality; I'll spend my hard earned 4k elsewhere on a wheel. They cut corners in build material. Look at the mten4...thinnest possible frame that can easily be bent by hand. These wheels disintegrate on impact. Now I set my own standard that the wheel has to be as safe as possible and these manufacturers start to warranty their own products rather than the distributor. Shows they can't stand behind their own product.
Smaller wheel has lower speed compare to bigger wheel since the EMF is getting torque to drop off quicker due to spinning speed. EMF is related to spinning speed not how fast the wheel is moving. So the bigger the wheel the torque can hold steady longer as the speed increase. Since the extreme has smaller wheel, it is not build for high speed. The Begode Extreme is build for high torque at lower speed. Though for me 40M/h is plenty high speed. The only way for the Begode Extreme can run as fast other bigger wheel is bigger battery. Just add a battery pack on your backpack to power the wheel more and you can go to the moon.
so i just saw his video, he did say they was a serious voltage issue going from full to almost nothing. which I am aware of high current draw as i build my batteries. My question is what wheel should I get ..my first wheel,I ride hard on all my electric bikes and dualtron storm scooter. also what set up are you running for over torque and speed beeps up to ear piece? cheers mate!
It won't happen to you unless you're extremely aggressive and you don't take time to know your machine. (Or in the unlikely case your machine is fault. In that case it should not be ridden)
@@UStrideyou dont know the machine until you push it, you can ride 30mph for eternity and wont not it limits. Cooch was taking time to know it's real limits, and machine dumped on him right there and then
You can't possibly tell me he had time to react to those beeps that would be superhuman levels. That said if you get a begode you should know what you are getting yourself into. Set it up properly for safety otherwise you are as good as dead out there.
Yes you can pull back from a cut out. I've actually done that on my tesla, 84v msx, high torque msp and high speed msp as well as on the 16x. I haven't done it yet on my exn or ex30 mainly because there is really no need for me to exceed 50mph most of the time. But yes, it can be done, you just have to know your wheel. Others have done it as well
@@UStride100% true but you’ve only got fractions of a second and there’s even less time when in the process of accelerating. Recovery from the initial dip in power is best at a constant speed where a bump or wind gust causes a brief/temporarily power spike, afaik. I don’t think I would have been able to weight shift fast enough to recover from this scenario, especially when seated. I have yet to see any reason for blame here; not Chooch, not Begode nor an act of God; this is to be expected and the data will serve to help update the firmware before others experience more of the same. This is exactly why learning to ride on an underpowered wheel is critical to building up one’s skills… cutting out at 5-10mph really helped the dexterity of my feet, and power management abilities. I almost cut out my 16x going downhill and if not for my previous experience, I’d have lost it on a 20% grade, which is frightening!
@@UStrideIf you watch the video in slow motion the first beep is after 0.03sec so around 0.035 and the wheel is already falling by 0.04 and was on the ground by the 0.05sec. meaning from the first beep to the time it was falling beyond return it was less than a second. If you are telling me you can react to beeps in less than a sec.... Even though world athletes for 100 ms reaction time to the gun is more than a 1sec ..... come on man. I'm not saying you can't stop yourself from cutting out ofcourse if you feel the wheel going from under you, you can pull back and save it. But in this instance there was no way. So brother time the first beep to the third beep see how much time has passed. If you can honestly react to that, then I'm wrong.
I am guessing, the question with Chooch’s review was specification limitations, and if those limitations were compromised by the rider. Seemingly, IMO, the sketchy malfunction is the delayed alert, which I don’t understand. Has Begode decided to snipe their safety technology for performance supremacy? Therefore, relying on the rider’s expertise to be their only safety guage. Then there’s another question, would have a 40t battery changed the outcome? In your opinion, is there a market for a specialized off-road wheel, or is this a revised excuse by Begode? In my opinion, the Inmotion Adventure will reveal this revised claim by Begode. My reasoning is that, Inmotion is promoting the Adventure as the ultimate off-road conquerer, as well. If the Inmotion Adventure performs on-road as well as their off-road claims, then Begode is guilty as charged. Then the question would be, with Leaperkim and Inmotion on Begode’s heels for the performance crown, can Begode offer ultimate performance to divert critiques from enthusiasts of poor worksmanship? Thanks
Hasnt this wheel been improved since then, 50s batts, better software with tiltback alarm that actually works. Also it now comes with better shock and its been refined. I still love this wheel.
I feel like going into EUC riding from the onewheel is instead of leaning the whole body forward for acceleration, it’s just shifting the hips forward and backwards while keeping the head and torso upright. That’s definitely the safest method to keep you from turning into Superman for a fraction of a second 😂
You definitely have a better chance to be Superman on an euc. I ride ow XR and keep hips forward and center over the wheel. I've had 2 cut outs and ran them both out. You ain't running no euc cutout out and will definitely be Superman with much worse injuries at more than double the speed of any one wheel. 😂 that said. I'm still buying the lynx at $4199 at the beginning of the year. 🎉
@eyesbarecurious Yeah I'm done man, range, cutouts, no right to repair, speed, charging and more than what you paid for the wheel for repairs and shipping if something breaks? Naaa, I'm done Lol. Besides, I can't wait to jump hills and do some serious trail riding a one wheel will could never do.
@@TheHitman-I have spent the past two months researching the fastest long range wheels and decided on the EX30 for a few reasons. It is going to be my main commuter to/from work (12 miles one way with a top speed limit of 45MPH on the route). I also want to be able to do my normal fun rides around Little Rock that I’ve been doing with my OW and it is supposedly the most nimble of the top speed/range EUC’s.
"when you already overtorqueing" there's no such thing as "overtorquing", EUC's controller knows precisely how much the wheel can handle and should deliver right up to the limit and not over it, so it's not rider's error, it's firmware. If it rider would have direct control of the power delivery himself that would riders errror, but EUC is fly-by-wire system, the controller's brain sits in the middle. Finally, there were 3 beeps (enough to get riders attention) and virtually no a second extra to react to them, it cuts out exactly after 3 beeps, basically crashing the rider - thus, it's software error, not rider error, no matter how mr U-Stride is spinning it
50E cells I guess. Could avoid it maybe with 40T cells but anyway. Now it happened. Pushed it to the limits. Cut out occurred. Both have fault. Rider pushed to limits very fast. Wheel delayed beep to 1-2 seconds before cutout. End of story here for me.
Riders need to think like a car or motorcycle. Just because a vehicle goes 160 mph does NOT mean one need to try to drive it that fast. Even on cars/motorcycles they have the red area for accelerating too much. If an eWheel goes 55 mph, the rider should do minimum 15 mph less than the max speed. To be safe cruise at 35 mph and that is plenty
Can you clarify the real wheel size between the Master and the Extreme? Is the Extreme just a stronger build Master, but the motor and software are modified? What are the biggest differences?
Master is on 14 inch rim,Extreme on 12,rest of the height is determined by the tire of choice . Master has c38 motor,Extreme has c40,both on 4p . Extreme has “smart bms” and probably different boards
Its hard to imagin chooch over torque as ges so light 😂, i know its totally possible and the most likely cause here its just something you dont think about due to his size. The wheel needs to beep much much sooner. Im 210lbs in gear and on my RS19 HT twice ive had the pedals dip with no beeps at around 18 to 20mph. Nothing technically wrong with my wheel but a warning would be nice. I know it does this and just ride it accordinly. It stillntakes me up very steap trails, but at my weight it is possible to over do it before it will beep.
@coreykirby1632 yeah, chooch clarified he didn't check the sticker on the batteries and that the sticker was too small. Chooch assumed he got the high capacity batteries, not high discharge batteries. But he didn't bother to check. Chooch assumed too much, without checking. This is not the first time. Chooch put the V12 incorrectly, so the V12 went haywire. He blames others first.
And what can you expect from 2400wh battery pack? That it will give you unlimited amount of power no matter what? C'man, I fully agree with this review, guy was lining forward at maximum possible angle, wheel beeps but because he put so much his weight directed forward it lost power before he was able to react, simple. When you reach close to maximum speed you have to let go your aggressiveness, so your posture has to come back to almost neutral position, then you have time to react. He didn't do that, instead he kept lining forward aggressively and after he blamed the wheel. It is clearly seen in the video, it is his fault.
The other story is that the wheel should not allowed him to put so much weight forward by tilting back, but this is firmware problem as Begode didn't introduce such function yet.
Totally overpowered the wheel. But hes a tiny boi and the battery drained way to fast. I want the jacket he has now tho. Got back up like it was nothing.
That's not a good question. The Yeuk doesn't choose to cut out. The rider exceeds the specifications, which leads to a cutout. Sometimes, it's the user's fault, and sometimes, the environment is not conducive for the wheel to maintain
Bro... what about that race tho? When you going to own up? You should have bought him a wheel, instead of backing out. In my mind, you still owe him one. Just because another dealer gave him a wheel does not absolve you of your duty to pay your debt. Watch this comment get deleted. I have the screenshot and will share the crap out of it on social media if this comment is removed.
That Anorexic skeezy deserves no free EUC. Little punk force Hustled Ustride for a pink pussy EUC race deal 😂🖕🏿 Originally Ustride was doing his Blitz Channel not to race for someone's EUC. Skeezy is a cunning Rat 😂🖕🏿
Well, Chooch ain't the smartest bloke around , he's called Chooch ffs ,( he doesn't use any apps or anything . so no logs available), he even says he doesn't look at speed he's going too often , and rides hard.He was going 45 more likely, and the battery was on half charge due to hard riding (2!bars whilst sagging, and 3 when recovered slightly) . Love his content, but he ain't a brain surgeon, and like 99.9 % of RUclips euc reviewers , have no clue about electrical stuff . They all talk about how something needs more amps , when they're talking about current draw . Use psi insread of the word pressure ( psi is a unit of pressure measurement)EMF(electromotive force ) is what is created when you put electricity into a coil in a magnetic field ( in simple terms ) i.e. what turns motor and back emf is the reverse like regenerative braking ( generator, etc. ) working against the motor )
That's what I thought too, the first time I saw the video. Torquing beyond the limit, leaning forward too much hence, the cut out. I knew someone would point that out and I'm glad it was you U-Stride. Thanks! Keep safe everybody and respect the beeps.
begode "EXTREME" cutting out at 35mph on a full charge, totally riders fault! You Begode minions ever heard of tilt-backs? has it ever crossed your mind why people implemented tilt-back for an euc? how can you even argue those beeps gave rider enough time to realize "35mph on a full charge begode "EXTREME" is not a reasonable demand"?
You are in the habit of redefining words “based on what we know” what ever that is cause what we know is different 😂 wondering how “communitrest” is working for you… anyways your stretching. The video info shows that the high RPM is causing emf - that is contradicted by ronin because he ran faster meaning higher rpm why did emf ignored him? Same wheel different rules? Rpm is speed not torque…. Just saying
High RPM does not create EMF. RPM does not create a magnetic field. It is the moving electons that create a magnetic field.. So more current = a larger EMF. So ronin would have been producing less of a EMF than chooch if he was drawing less current from his machine. Also I dont know why youre fixated on EMF? An EMF wasnt the problem here. Its how these things move... they intentionally create a rotating magnetic field to get the damn wheel to spin.. Your comment is laughable. I agree with UStride here.
{tl;dr for most readers, if I’m mistaken, please correct the record. Briefly, this cutout is reasonably fixable in the firmware.} For a non-engineer, U-Strides analysis is fairly good. No reason to roast the EMF issue as this is a complicated problem that resulted from an excessive power demand. The process of over-torquing the system can be thought of as a combination of a high current draw over a longer time-period (between fractions of a second to multiple seconds) where the capacitor bank doesn’t have the ability to replenish its voltage reserves, then the voltage sag increases to a lower voltage which increases the current demand in an attempt to maintain power demand; but the feedback loop causes the current draw to continue upward as voltage continues to drop. This would cause damage to the motor, wiring or controller if current was allowed to continue being demanded so a series of electronic protection mechanisms is designed to cut the power to prevent damage to the wheel. The point of contention is whether the reaction time of an experienced rider is sufficient to back off the power demand in time for the capacitor bank to recharge sufficiently to enable the current draw to lower just enough to prevent cutouts. Both Inmotion and the “God-Mod” attempted to a Increase the time for rider reaction by physically increasing the size of the capacitor bank, but this only goes so far as it only adds fractions of a second, which isn’t enough time if the signal to the rider is not received or interpreted properly. The central issue here is not necessary the inherent design of the electronics (which are fairly well developed). The issue is that of communication between wheel and rider, which is a user-interface issue of whether there is a sufficient and timely progression of beeps, tilt-back, haptic motion (not implemented yet) or other signals that would inform the rider with sufficient time and certainty… which there arguably was not! The solution (that has worked on other wheels) is to reduce the PWM alarm limits, which gives more of a buffer but even this can be ignored or mistaken while the instantaneous power demands may still exceed these limits. If PWM was not just an alarm but was an actual hard limit, the wheel would just cut off sooner. So the question becomes one of how to change the firmware to convey the message more timely and effectively so riding on the edge of capability is possible. This problem should be adequately “solved” in the next few firmware iterations, even though the structural design problem of over-current protection cannot be solved without major changes to all wheel designs. {there are dozens of ways that this could be done but all involve adding complexity, weight and money.} IMHO, this is exactly what we should expect from the 1st batch of all wheels and there’s nothing extraordinary or unexpected about Chooch’s cutout experience. Tweaks will be made and order to the Begode Extreme the universe will be restored. This cutout is NOT a valid reason to avoid buying this wheel. Period. {…and, I look forward to seeing the comparison between the Extreme and the Adventure, where the battery configuration may demonstrate some significant differences in performance and longevity, which is my speculation at this time. What we don’t want , as a community of consumers, is for this to become another Veteran Abrams situation, where the demand dropped off even though the problem was fixed in subsequent batches. Almost everyone who still rides an Abrams loves that wheel, yet fears of the 1st batch problems killed subsequent sales, which is sad for both manufacturers and consumers. Let’s not repeat the same mistakes here. I’m not a Begode enthusiast but this wheel (and all wheels) deserves more patience and less impulse buying than the structure of the current marketing methods encourage… which is another industry-wide issue to be considered. All wheels need both patience and experience to maximize performance, and I greatly respect Chance Heinz’ decision to continue testing and developing the design as the trial period of Batch 1 is still in effect. That said, buy with caution until issues are exposed but as for this particular cutout, I see it as reasonable and should have been expected. It will be eventually be resolved but EVERY wheel still has the same design problem in that cutouts are inherent to the overall design, just like high-side accidents are inherent to motorcycles and high speed collisions are inherent to automobile design (which is why machine learning is being developed for a self-driving option). Self-driving (and rider-assisted self-driving EUCs are possible in the future as well but the cost proposition doesn’t intercept the demand potential until mass-market sales are possible. This too is just a matter of time, and until then patience, knowledge and experience are enough to justify the safety of current design. For now, we just need a little bit more reaction time afforded to the riders whom “choose” to ride at the limits of performance. {Feel free to correct any assumptions, ignorance or false conclusions I may have made here as I’m not qualified to determine the actual risks of any particular wheel design. I’m a naive consumer just like most of us, not an authority by any measure.} On a broader note, “this” is one of the many reasons I don’t like or encourage racing EUCs as a methodology to grow interest in the sport. Other methods of competition are more appropriate (tbd)… it’s as if the Rollerblade or Skateboard industry has focused on high-speed roller-derby style racing, and it makes nearly zero sense to me from a consumer’s perspective, nor does it make sense to manufacturers or the marketplace, which is why it’s a loser of a marketing strategy… which U-Stride is finding out the “hard way”… with love and support of this community.
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Great video. Its still disappointing that Chooch can easily overpower the Extreme at that speed and charge level. He is not a heavy rider. Also Begode needs better firmware to improve safety (like Veteran).
chooch is not heavy rider, but he is the most skilled aggressive rider out there, so he could easily over power it just because he is so used to the confident of his riding skill. just the wheel is not able to keep up with the way he ride.
Simple as that YourAubsome, their firmware needs to be fixed with this wheel
Looks like he was going faster than 35 though
I wouldn't say he is the most aggressive...
@@alexrose6346 or skilled
EUC riders are so delusional. The wheel turned off at 35+ mph and that alone is completely unacceptable. That is not rider error, that is due to underpowered and terribly designed wheels. You need to stop blaming it on riders when the technology is not even close to being ready for the public. Make EUCs better before you promote this junk to anyone else.
No it didn't.. it was 45mph from analyzing the video footage.. this is normal at such a low battery %.. any other lower powered wheel would have cutout way sooner
100% cutout
No safety tilt back, doesn't matter what you say Begode has safety issuse! That's that!
It's not a safety issue it's a design philosophy. You can add all the safety you want on begode like on other wheels. The only difference is that the forced tilt back is not forced unless enabled by the user. Sorry to sound biased, but the other manufacturers would not exist if it wasn't because of Gotway/begode. It's an extremely high-performance company with amazing machines that require the rider to understand its potential as well as its obvious limitations. There is very little hand holding with begode machines, and for someone like me, that's a very good thing because I can play in the danger zone as long as I understand the specifications.
You don't know what you're talking about.. they have all the safety warnings including tilt back you want.. like ustride said you simply need to know how to use them optimally depending on how far you want to push it or not and if you don't and cutout that's your fault.. not begode's
I'd argue that it's a firmware issue, and a cutout, just because there wasn't enough time to respond from the first beep until the cutout. If Chooch had quickly leaned forward then I'd agree that it's totally rider fault, and an over torque, but Chooch was doing a smooth constant acceleration, which should be easily predictable for the computer to give a timely beep. If a beep happens too close to the cutout on smooth acceleration then that seems like a firmware issue as much as rider issue to me. Fortunately it's an easy fix. Just set your max mph to a lower speed until Begode addresses the firmware issue. I'm just glad Chooch came out of it doing okay. Always wear your gear!
"Functioning as expected".. exactly, i,e, Begode launcing people in the air unexpectedly, sounds about right.
As an EUC riding electrical engineer with plenty of experience, this incident smells very much like a bad cell or a high resistance connection somewhere in the battery/cabling, or a problem with the power electronics in the motor controller. The fact that the battery indicator sagged when loaded and popped up again when unloaded shows a larger than normal voltage drop under normal riding conditions which then falsely tricked the controller into thinking the battery was dead as he leaned forward and caused the crash. He would need to load test the batteries and all cables up to the connection into the motor controller then measure where the voltage drop is occurring, and fix the bad connection/replace the bad cell
Rider error LOL 😂Beware of Begode! It’s a cut out plain and simple. Begode fan boys be hating on chooch.…. I would choose to take up jogging before riding a Begode.
Why do you say that? I'm not going after Chooch. It's just an analysis
Great analysis U-Stride ... I'm not seeing cut outs on the Extreme, so if it was a batch issue, it should be more common. Chooch did state in a later video he was riding with the 40T cells 1900wh battery vs the 2600wh 50e cells battery. My next wheel is a tossup between the Extreme and the EX-30 but leaning more towards the EX-30 as I'm street rider ... my guess is you're liking that wheel?
Absolutely loving that wheel
Wait for Extreme30
Why didn't Begode set it up to initiate a tilt back before beeps? I On my kingsong S22 there are three different speeds you can set to beep, then tilt back for safety. Just weird that the wheel didn't tip him back. InMotion is really good about this.
I'm sorry to sound like this, but Gotway has always been centered around letting the rider decide. It's an advanced machine. With that said, you can set it up yourself
Like he said begode doesn’t do that automatically king song and InMotion do which I 100% agree with safety is number one priority above anything else
It's been shown in the past that Chooch first instinct after crash is to blame the wheel entirely . When he crashed the Inmotion V12 HT it was the same thing and that was a lot more obvious riders error than this . Then after a while he sort of tried to make up for it maybe because he got called out by the manufacturers for false advertisement by making a bunch of videos claiming that that euc was his all time favorite wheel and so on .
The v13 never dumped him like this
The v13 is on another level with safety for a high-performance machine.
You can see that he was already opening his hands to protect the fall after two beeps actually, so depending upon his reaction time, the actual cut-out may have occurred after one beep.
100% agreed. Over torque in my opinion. It’s just not designed for sustained speed. It’s a trail wheel not a full blast balls to the wall flat out speed wheel. Good analysis man, always watching bro keep it up U Stride.
I think he’s mistake was to try to stand up, when the wheel was already beeping.
He just pushed it harder. Shit happens 😅
This would be a lot less biased if it was from a non Begode rider 🤣.
You can only trust a begode rider if you are talking about pushing the lmits of an euc
@@yusufcanaktas6929 Thanks for proving my point hahahaaha
True but pointless because who else is going to be intimitely familiar with the beeps?
Let me quote Bill Burr: That's like me writing a book called "The third trimester, and what to expect" - Ladies, you're going to feel a pressure."
@@mikeh6286 exactly
So it falls as it beeps yeah that's crap! It failed dude! The wheel didn't function safely! That's Begode!
No, it doesn't fall as it beeps. The rider was pushing beyond the beep, which is what caused the crash. That's true for any wheel from any manufacturer. It sucks that they haven't come up with a solid way to prevent that, but that's how they all work. The v13 is the only exception. The buffer is so big on the v13 above 80% battery that that's the closest we've got so far to having a no cutout wheel.
Thanks for the thoughts! Makes lots of sense and seeing Choochs second vid you’re correct. BTW Chooch should have known he was on 40 🪫 and only working with 1900v. No big deal just his mistake. ✌️
The graph with the torque and speed was perfect!
Yeah, mistakes happen. He was probably just excited or busy who knows.
I know these wheels are in development mode (They are fairly new to the market, and many manufactures are trying things ), these wheels should not be so easy to cut out, if anything they should slow the wheel down until a complete stop, not throw the rider off the wheel...these wheels need to fix that asap.
Even little things, like on my V12 the power button should be under the front or rear bumpers/side, not at the top on the wheel, because it is easy to accidently hit the button while seated riding and the power go off while riding and the rider falls...That is not safe at all. Put a case/guard around it at least
There were two beeps before the cutout. The third beep occurred as the cutout commenced, as can be seen by the wheel's headlights beginning to dip
It is a cutout. It didn’t function as expected. The beeps should have occurred much earlier prior to cutting out. You can see in the video that he didn’t shift his weight forward. It was a steady lean. I can see it doing this if he lunged forward even slightly. The wheel did not give fair warning to justify cutting out that quickly after the beeps especially not torquing aggressively.
Yeah hard data would help alot on this situation.
He did state latter in a separate video that he was riding the lower wh version
Setup the beeps then. Plus whole body over the front aka asking for it.
even if the cut out was at a 50mph it would still be Begode's fault. they should try to prevent a high power draw way before rider attempts to do it (knowingly or unknowingly), solution to high power draw is not a cut out, its trying to prevent it from happening
You’re saying that’s not cut out then what is it? why can’t we ride to like how we want it to? especially what we pay for it?
You lost me bro, BS, cutout pure and simple. What kind of wheel would cut out on you midway through the 3rd beep. Anyway you slice it it's poor design, and poor safety on the side of Begode.
I really think you've lost your marbles on this US, EUC's are supposed to beep at you as a warning before they cut off, that's why they're beeps. You're making all kinds of assumptions in this video.
The 7 different EUC's I've ever had, not one of them has ever cut out on me like this.
Excellent research btw - not many would bother doing the research. That behqviour is why cutouts happen at speed. Higher speeds slowly reduce the amount of current (ans thus torque) that can be pulled by the motor. Just a result of physics and why you should stay well away from free spin (max backemf) speed.
This makes me want to stick to KingSong and Inmotion.
One thing for sure that I like is after Chooch crashed the extreme that unicycle got right up and he rode it again and he took it on the trails and beat the hell out of it with no problems. I like it, that’s my next wheel.
This was a cut out, and he has the T40 Version which seems to destroy the battery life a lot faster than the 50E. The Canadian riders (Ride One) were going super fast on the Extreme but they had the 50E version. Also when it comes to the beeps on this wheel, one of the people who tried it in that video complained that the wheel's beeps weren't alarming in time and was leaving the rider with no room to slow down in time. This wheel has a firmware issue for sure that needs to be fixed quickly before it can be trusted. There have been several complaints about this wheel from several riders including one who posted about a cut out as well going close to 50 mph. This wheel is not a street wheel at all and shouldn't be trusted over 35 mph. It's Not safe after that. I am now wondering if that's why Milly from Begode decided to come to the states was it because of all of the complaints about the Extreme?
Sorry, but who’s Milly?
some people dont understand what a street wheel is and tries to loop street wheel with fast wheels. any offroading wheel can be used on the street, just gotta know the limit of the wheel. Many many people are stupid and full send right away without even monitoring or knowing the limit of their wheel. Like less than 20 miles in and they're already full sending. Come on lol, pushing 50mph when an ex30 can bearly maintain that speed and its a 3600wh/20" tire. Oh yea let me try to go 60mph in 8 seconds on a v13 and blame it on the wheel because its not suppose to be able to cutout. Come on bro. 16" tire, you can easily increase its speed way faster than you can on a 20" tire, the beeps/range of saftey margin/pwm will increase way faster and easier on a 16" than 20". People riding 16" tire like they do on 20" and cutout like a noob and blame the wheel and beeps.
This analysis might be wrong because you just can't maintain a constant speed of 40 m/h without leaning forward, to compensate wind drag. And a 360 camera's FOV may exaggerate the actual leaning angle.
There are varying levels of lean from gradual to aggressive. He leaned too hard to quickly for that wheel at the stats he was at the time. Rider error IMO
@@UStride"too quickly" - where? You see clearly that he is keeping very steady lean angle, no quick changes from the rider
@Alejandro388 that's up for debate because he didn't release any data. But the word is he was using low output batteries, not the high-performance ones, so that goes to my point as well.
The wheel was working as it should, but this is still a safety issue... there should be enough head room to allow for tilt back to mitigate a cut out.
Its dangerous that the wheel could even allow this to happen.. beeps don't mean anything if the user can force the wheel to do something that it doesnt have the power to support.
Amazing video. Thank you. Which headphone system do you use so you can hear the app?
Any earbuds that doesn't squish to tightly against the helmet is good. But I use euc world
@@UStride thanks!! And appreciate the thoughtful videos!
Also several people broke down his speed going by the yellow lines and the distance according to state law and he was going at least 45mph not 30-35 mph like he claimed.
When is Begode going to make a safe wheel? Not for me.
If you're looking for safety, EUC clearly ain't for you 🤣, all inherently dangerous. If you don't push the extreme past its limits, it's safe
I love EUCs. I have 19000 km on mine. At 70 years old, I prefer to enjoy the sport. The V13 will be my next wheel.
Lol Good luck with that!
they have. Nikola AR 2700. No issues with 6k miles.
Great vid. Decent explanation of a semi complicated subject.
Glad it was helpful!
I'm hoping that they will make some wheel head warning light blinks every time it beeps on over speeding for additional safety.
No it didn't give enough warning to react. The fact the wheel being advertised by chase isn't the same getting sold. I canceled my order of this wheel based off safety and build quality. Until begode steps up their game on safety and build quality; I'll spend my hard earned 4k elsewhere on a wheel. They cut corners in build material. Look at the mten4...thinnest possible frame that can easily be bent by hand. These wheels disintegrate on impact. Now I set my own standard that the wheel has to be as safe as possible and these manufacturers start to warranty their own products rather than the distributor. Shows they can't stand behind their own product.
Smaller wheel has lower speed compare to bigger wheel since the EMF is getting torque to drop off quicker due to spinning speed. EMF is related to spinning speed not how fast the wheel is moving. So the bigger the wheel the torque can hold steady longer as the speed increase. Since the extreme has smaller wheel, it is not build for high speed. The Begode Extreme is build for high torque at lower speed. Though for me 40M/h is plenty high speed. The only way for the Begode Extreme can run as fast other bigger wheel is bigger battery. Just add a battery pack on your backpack to power the wheel more and you can go to the moon.
so i just saw his video, he did say they was a serious voltage issue going from full to almost nothing. which I am aware of high current draw as i build my batteries. My question is what wheel should I get ..my first wheel,I ride hard on all my electric bikes and dualtron storm scooter. also what set up are you running for over torque and speed beeps up to ear piece? cheers mate!
Is there a way to set it so beeps come sooner? Im getting am extreme next week and i dont want this to happen to me.
It won't happen to you unless you're extremely aggressive and you don't take time to know your machine. (Or in the unlikely case your machine is fault. In that case it should not be ridden)
@@UStrideyou dont know the machine until you push it, you can ride 30mph for eternity and wont not it limits. Cooch was taking time to know it's real limits, and machine dumped on him right there and then
You can't possibly tell me he had time to react to those beeps that would be superhuman levels. That said if you get a begode you should know what you are getting yourself into. Set it up properly for safety otherwise you are as good as dead out there.
Yes you can pull back from a cut out. I've actually done that on my tesla, 84v msx, high torque msp and high speed msp as well as on the 16x. I haven't done it yet on my exn or ex30 mainly because there is really no need for me to exceed 50mph most of the time. But yes, it can be done, you just have to know your wheel. Others have done it as well
@@UStride100% true but you’ve only got fractions of a second and there’s even less time when in the process of accelerating. Recovery from the initial dip in power is best at a constant speed where a bump or wind gust causes a brief/temporarily power spike, afaik.
I don’t think I would have been able to weight shift fast enough to recover from this scenario, especially when seated.
I have yet to see any reason for blame here; not Chooch, not Begode nor an act of God; this is to be expected and the data will serve to help update the firmware before others experience more of the same.
This is exactly why learning to ride on an underpowered wheel is critical to building up one’s skills… cutting out at 5-10mph really helped the dexterity of my feet, and power management abilities. I almost cut out my 16x going downhill and if not for my previous experience, I’d have lost it on a 20% grade, which is frightening!
@@UStrideIf you watch the video in slow motion the first beep is after 0.03sec so around 0.035 and the wheel is already falling by 0.04 and was on the ground by the 0.05sec. meaning from the first beep to the time it was falling beyond return it was less than a second. If you are telling me you can react to beeps in less than a sec.... Even though world athletes for 100 ms reaction time to the gun is more than a 1sec ..... come on man. I'm not saying you can't stop yourself from cutting out ofcourse if you feel the wheel going from under you, you can pull back and save it. But in this instance there was no way. So brother time the first beep to the third beep see how much time has passed. If you can honestly react to that, then I'm wrong.
@@grb1969 Chooch is a very skilled rider he’s been riding electric unicycle’s since their infancy basically
@@UStride delusional kid
I am guessing, the question with Chooch’s review was specification limitations, and if those limitations were compromised by the rider. Seemingly, IMO, the sketchy malfunction is the delayed alert, which I don’t understand. Has Begode decided to snipe their safety technology for performance supremacy? Therefore, relying on the rider’s expertise to be their only safety guage. Then there’s another question, would have a 40t battery changed the outcome?
In your opinion, is there a market for a specialized off-road wheel, or is this a revised excuse by Begode? In my opinion, the Inmotion Adventure will reveal this revised claim by Begode. My reasoning is that, Inmotion is promoting the Adventure as the ultimate off-road conquerer, as well. If the Inmotion Adventure performs on-road as well as their off-road claims, then Begode is guilty as charged. Then the question would be, with Leaperkim and Inmotion on Begode’s heels for the performance crown, can Begode offer ultimate performance to divert critiques from enthusiasts of poor worksmanship?
Thanks
Hasnt this wheel been improved since then, 50s batts, better software with tiltback alarm that actually works. Also it now comes with better shock and its been refined. I still love this wheel.
Agree with you, and bigger batterry means safety margin
What street tire are you running on your ex30?
Street pilot 2
wow can't believe how much knowledge u got :O
No Begode for me,
Nice honest opinion but I still wanna be like chooch 😝😝!!
I feel like going into EUC riding from the onewheel is instead of leaning the whole body forward for acceleration, it’s just shifting the hips forward and backwards while keeping the head and torso upright. That’s definitely the safest method to keep you from turning into Superman for a fraction of a second 😂
You definitely have a better chance to be Superman on an euc. I ride ow XR and keep hips forward and center over the wheel. I've had 2 cut outs and ran them both out. You ain't running no euc cutout out and will definitely be Superman with much worse injuries at more than double the speed of any one wheel. 😂 that said. I'm still buying the lynx at $4199 at the beginning of the year. 🎉
@@TheHitman- I’ve had one cutout on my OW Pint and didn’t run it out lol. I am currently saving to get a Begode EX30 🤘
@eyesbarecurious Yeah I'm done man, range, cutouts, no right to repair, speed, charging and more than what you paid for the wheel for repairs and shipping if something breaks? Naaa, I'm done Lol. Besides, I can't wait to jump hills and do some serious trail riding a one wheel will could never do.
@eyesbarecurious May I ask, why are you going with that particular model in begode?
@@TheHitman-I have spent the past two months researching the fastest long range wheels and decided on the EX30 for a few reasons. It is going to be my main commuter to/from work (12 miles one way with a top speed limit of 45MPH on the route). I also want to be able to do my normal fun rides around Little Rock that I’ve been doing with my OW and it is supposedly the most nimble of the top speed/range EUC’s.
You should race Chooch for pink slips. 😏
I wouldn't mind that. He would lose on the streets though for sure. But track would be a challenge
"when you already overtorqueing" there's no such thing as "overtorquing", EUC's controller knows precisely how much the wheel can handle and should deliver right up to the limit and not over it, so it's not rider's error, it's firmware. If it rider would have direct control of the power delivery himself that would riders errror, but EUC is fly-by-wire system, the controller's brain sits in the middle.
Finally, there were 3 beeps (enough to get riders attention) and virtually no a second extra to react to them, it cuts out exactly after 3 beeps, basically crashing the rider - thus, it's software error, not rider error, no matter how mr U-Stride is spinning it
Very good point, but only in theory, based on how it works right now
50E cells I guess. Could avoid it maybe with 40T cells but anyway. Now it happened.
Pushed it to the limits. Cut out occurred. Both have fault.
Rider pushed to limits very fast. Wheel delayed beep to 1-2 seconds before cutout.
End of story here for me.
He is leaning so hard , he makes that huge wheel look small. Always setup your own beeps
Great content 💯 Know the wheel before you ride it. Or , watch reviews on them and look for fails. 😂
Riders need to think like a car or motorcycle.
Just because a vehicle goes 160 mph does NOT mean one need to try to drive it that fast. Even on cars/motorcycles they have the red area for accelerating too much.
If an eWheel goes 55 mph, the rider should do minimum 15 mph less than the max speed. To be safe cruise at 35 mph and that is plenty
Definitely a Cutout/Cutoff bro. Sorry. Nice try though 🙄
Can you clarify the real wheel size between the Master and the Extreme? Is the Extreme just a stronger build Master, but the motor and software are modified? What are the biggest differences?
Great questions
I think the extreme is a 16 inch wheel and the master is a 20 I believe
Master is on 14 inch rim,Extreme on 12,rest of the height is determined by the tire of choice . Master has c38 motor,Extreme has c40,both on 4p . Extreme has “smart bms” and probably different boards
Its hard to imagin chooch over torque as ges so light 😂, i know its totally possible and the most likely cause here its just something you dont think about due to his size.
The wheel needs to beep much much sooner.
Im 210lbs in gear and on my RS19 HT twice ive had the pedals dip with no beeps at around 18 to 20mph. Nothing technically wrong with my wheel but a warning would be nice. I know it does this and just ride it accordinly. It stillntakes me up very steap trails, but at my weight it is possible to over do it before it will beep.
Now, Chooch is blaming the sticker on the batteries.
Is that a joke or real
No, he clarified that he said there are actually two variations of the wheel you can get he said the one he had was a lower wh version
@coreykirby1632 yeah, chooch clarified he didn't check the sticker on the batteries and that the sticker was too small. Chooch assumed he got the high capacity batteries, not high discharge batteries. But he didn't bother to check.
Chooch assumed too much, without checking. This is not the first time. Chooch put the V12 incorrectly, so the V12 went haywire. He blames others first.
@BunnyslippersEUC oh wow. That's terrible. That would make a ton of sense. Eitherway the wheel was not to blame
@@BunnyslippersEUC correct
And what can you expect from 2400wh battery pack? That it will give you unlimited amount of power no matter what? C'man, I fully agree with this review, guy was lining forward at maximum possible angle, wheel beeps but because he put so much his weight directed forward it lost power before he was able to react, simple. When you reach close to maximum speed you have to let go your aggressiveness, so your posture has to come back to almost neutral position, then you have time to react. He didn't do that, instead he kept lining forward aggressively and after he blamed the wheel. It is clearly seen in the video, it is his fault.
The other story is that the wheel should not allowed him to put so much weight forward by tilting back, but this is firmware problem as Begode didn't introduce such function yet.
Yup, exactly on both points.
Totally overpowered the wheel. But hes a tiny boi and the battery drained way to fast. I want the jacket he has now tho. Got back up like it was nothing.
Apparently, he had the 1920wh battery, so that explains a lot also
@@UStride explains everything now.
its because of the V14
from those street marks this dude had about double the speed he claims, and with 40% battery, pushing like that, certainly rider's stupidity
this wheel cannot safety for protection user
Why are you not spelling EUC?
I like Yeuk. I started using it a while back but decided to bring it back
Nice jacket 👍
do you even know why an euc chooses to cut out power?
That's not a good question. The Yeuk doesn't choose to cut out. The rider exceeds the specifications, which leads to a cutout. Sometimes, it's the user's fault, and sometimes, the environment is not conducive for the wheel to maintain
@@UStride can the wheel not predict?
@@ruhollahetemadi7518 no. Good question
Agree
Bro... what about that race tho? When you going to own up? You should have bought him a wheel, instead of backing out. In my mind, you still owe him one. Just because another dealer gave him a wheel does not absolve you of your duty to pay your debt. Watch this comment get deleted. I have the screenshot and will share the crap out of it on social media if this comment is removed.
Because you're missing the entire point I assume it will be impossible to reaon with you. In short it's not going to happen
That Anorexic skeezy deserves no free EUC. Little punk force Hustled Ustride for a pink pussy EUC race deal 😂🖕🏿
Originally Ustride was doing his Blitz Channel not to race for someone's EUC. Skeezy is a cunning Rat 😂🖕🏿
Well, Chooch ain't the smartest bloke around , he's called Chooch ffs ,( he doesn't use any apps or anything . so no logs available), he even says he doesn't look at speed he's going too often , and rides hard.He was going 45 more likely, and the battery was on half charge due to hard riding (2!bars whilst sagging, and 3 when recovered slightly) . Love his content, but he ain't a brain surgeon, and like 99.9 % of RUclips euc reviewers , have no clue about electrical stuff . They all talk about how something needs more amps , when they're talking about current draw . Use psi insread of the word pressure ( psi is a unit of pressure measurement)EMF(electromotive force ) is what is created when you put electricity into a coil in a magnetic field ( in simple terms ) i.e. what turns motor and back emf is the reverse like regenerative braking ( generator, etc. ) working against the motor )
That's what I thought too, the first time I saw the video. Torquing beyond the limit, leaning forward too much hence, the cut out. I knew someone would point that out and I'm glad it was you U-Stride. Thanks! Keep safe everybody and respect the beeps.
begode "EXTREME" cutting out at 35mph on a full charge, totally riders fault! You Begode minions ever heard of tilt-backs? has it ever crossed your mind why people implemented tilt-back for an euc? how can you even argue those beeps gave rider enough time to realize "35mph on a full charge begode "EXTREME" is not a reasonable demand"?
It was 2 beeps
Hahahah the first scene😂😂
Blocked your channel over this!
Block your diarrhoea ass too lol
Warning, warning, warning - disregarding the 1st warning, 2nd warning, while leaning, rider error.
Why U-Stride dont respect his own words
Chooch is fun to watch riding EUCs but his takes are really off sometimes. 😆
Yo
100% riders error
You are in the habit of redefining words “based on what we know” what ever that is cause what we know is different 😂 wondering how “communitrest” is working for you… anyways your stretching. The video info shows that the high RPM is causing emf - that is contradicted by ronin because he ran faster meaning higher rpm why did emf ignored him? Same wheel different rules? Rpm is speed not torque…. Just saying
Ronin did ride faster yes but his current draw as stated was low, thus his power was low
High RPM does not create EMF. RPM does not create a magnetic field. It is the moving electons that create a magnetic field.. So more current = a larger EMF. So ronin would have been producing less of a EMF than chooch if he was drawing less current from his machine.
Also I dont know why youre fixated on EMF? An EMF wasnt the problem here. Its how these things move... they intentionally create a rotating magnetic field to get the damn wheel to spin..
Your comment is laughable.
I agree with UStride here.
{tl;dr for most readers, if I’m mistaken, please correct the record. Briefly, this cutout is reasonably fixable in the firmware.}
For a non-engineer, U-Strides analysis is fairly good. No reason to roast the EMF issue as this is a complicated problem that resulted from an excessive power demand. The process of over-torquing the system can be thought of as a combination of a high current draw over a longer time-period (between fractions of a second to multiple seconds) where the capacitor bank doesn’t have the ability to replenish its voltage reserves, then the voltage sag increases to a lower voltage which increases the current demand in an attempt to maintain power demand; but the feedback loop causes the current draw to continue upward as voltage continues to drop. This would cause damage to the motor, wiring or controller if current was allowed to continue being demanded so a series of electronic protection mechanisms is designed to cut the power to prevent damage to the wheel.
The point of contention is whether the reaction time of an experienced rider is sufficient to back off the power demand in time for the capacitor bank to recharge sufficiently to enable the current draw to lower just enough to prevent cutouts. Both Inmotion and the “God-Mod” attempted to a
Increase the time for rider reaction by physically increasing the size of the capacitor bank, but this only goes so far as it only adds fractions of a second, which isn’t enough time if the signal to the rider is not received or interpreted properly.
The central issue here is not necessary the inherent design of the electronics (which are fairly well developed). The issue is that of communication between wheel and rider, which is a user-interface issue of whether there is a sufficient and timely progression of beeps, tilt-back, haptic motion (not implemented yet) or other signals that would inform the rider with sufficient time and certainty… which there arguably was not!
The solution (that has worked on other wheels) is to reduce the PWM alarm limits, which gives more of a buffer but even this can be ignored or mistaken while the instantaneous power demands may still exceed these limits. If PWM was not just an alarm but was an actual hard limit, the wheel would just cut off sooner. So the question becomes one of how to change the firmware to convey the message more timely and effectively so riding on the edge of capability is possible. This problem should be adequately “solved” in the next few firmware iterations, even though the structural design problem of over-current protection cannot be solved without major changes to all wheel designs. {there are dozens of ways that this could be done but all involve adding complexity, weight and money.}
IMHO, this is exactly what we should expect from the 1st batch of all wheels and there’s nothing extraordinary or unexpected about Chooch’s cutout experience. Tweaks will be made and order to the Begode Extreme the universe will be restored.
This cutout is NOT a valid reason to avoid buying this wheel. Period. {…and, I look forward to seeing the comparison between the Extreme and the Adventure, where the battery configuration may demonstrate some significant differences in performance and longevity, which is my speculation at this time.
What we don’t want , as a community of consumers, is for this to become another Veteran Abrams situation, where the demand dropped off even though the problem was fixed in subsequent batches. Almost everyone who still rides an Abrams loves that wheel, yet fears of the 1st batch problems killed subsequent sales, which is sad for both manufacturers and consumers. Let’s not repeat the same mistakes here. I’m not a Begode enthusiast but this wheel (and all wheels) deserves more patience and less impulse buying than the structure of the current marketing methods encourage… which is another industry-wide issue to be considered.
All wheels need both patience and experience to maximize performance, and I greatly respect Chance Heinz’ decision to continue testing and developing the design as the trial period of Batch 1 is still in effect. That said, buy with caution until issues are exposed but as for this particular cutout, I see it as reasonable and should have been expected. It will be eventually be resolved but EVERY wheel still has the same design problem in that cutouts are inherent to the overall design, just like high-side accidents are inherent to motorcycles and high speed collisions are inherent to automobile design (which is why machine learning is being developed for a self-driving option). Self-driving (and rider-assisted self-driving EUCs are possible in the future as well but the cost proposition doesn’t intercept the demand potential until mass-market sales are possible. This too is just a matter of time, and until then patience, knowledge and experience are enough to justify the safety of current design. For now, we just need a little bit more reaction time afforded to the riders whom “choose” to ride at the limits of performance.
{Feel free to correct any assumptions, ignorance or false conclusions I may have made here as I’m not qualified to determine the actual risks of any particular wheel design. I’m a naive consumer just like most of us, not an authority by any measure.}
On a broader note, “this” is one of the many reasons I don’t like or encourage racing EUCs as a methodology to grow interest in the sport. Other methods of competition are more appropriate (tbd)… it’s as if the Rollerblade or Skateboard industry has focused on high-speed roller-derby style racing, and it makes nearly zero sense to me from a consumer’s perspective, nor does it make sense to manufacturers or the marketplace, which is why it’s a loser of a marketing strategy… which U-Stride is finding out the “hard way”… with love and support of this community.
@@sirv7937 hehe you need mental help. You find some electrons to talk to Haha… the universe created the electrons, move on Karen Gene donor
@@UStride how do you compare current draw? Do you have chooch data?
I agree with you U-Stride. Thank you for another GREAT Video.👍