Very good advice. I’ve been opening up my shoulders and hitting into the net too much. I’m still trying to stop the bad habit ( muscle memory! ), but this helps a ton! I’m making good progress. Thanks, Nadim.
great tip! Serve is by far the toughest shot. Although I'm an accomplished player I've always struggled with opening up early and balance. This is a key tip.
Invaluable tip. It's the same concept as not dropping your tossing arm too quickly and violently because left shoulder rapid drop equals right shoulder ( hitting arm) being pulled down out of the hitting zone too quickly. When I serve inconsistent, I consciously work on this for the past two years and it immediately adds pace, bounce and easy physics to be able to keep serving for extended periods.
This is a very good and useful lesson. You should also note that power is generated by a shoulder-over-shoulder, rocking motion in which the tossing shoulder rises upward as the racquet shoulder drops during the toss and the tossing shoulder drops, as the racquet shoulder rises up toward the ball on the serve swing. Combine this with the racquet thumb up to racquet thumb down snap of the pronating wrist action during the serve swing and the result is a much more powerful serve through using just proper technique without greatly increasing any effort to swing harder.
Great point, the "shoulder-over-shoulder" motion as you put it is something I struggle with. It might help if I extend my tossing arm more and bend back just a tad. I'm guessing Nadim is exaggerating (and he says as much at the end) a lack of counter-clockwise rotation (for a right-hander) so that we focus on swinging upwards?
Yes the tossing arm must be fully extended (close to vertical). At this point the tossing arm is QUICKLY tucked into your chest as you jump into the court. This quick motion not only adds power to the serve but also brings the your front shoulder DOWN and your back shoulder UP (along with the racket elbow..)..this is the shoulder-over-shoulder rotation we are looking for.
This is just so brilliant, Nadim! As a golfer I’m quite familiar with this „posting up“ of the lead side to resist, but in tennis I struggle my whole life with this „ coming around“-movement, asking me „what do I wrong?“ My right foot is always turned around me and planted on my right side behind the baseline not foreward into the place BEFORE I strike the ball. I‘ve never had the idea, that this could be question of „posting“, but it‘s so logical. Thanks a lot,Nadim
Nadim, just returned from the tennis court. Yes, it works, but....... it‘s so hard to break the old habits. My mind knows what to do, but my body is doing other things😉. The most important thing is to know, there is a solution, the rest is practice, practice. Therefore, everything is okay, Rome wasn‘t build in one day, thanks again, keep up the real good work here.
Great tip, Nadim! I think I achieved posting by making sure as I struck the ball I felt (as a lefty) as if I was brushing the ball right-to-left. I realize now that this was actually more of a hitting up-and-out because, rather than getting the "kick" spin I was hitting flat or with a bit of slice. I assume that hitting a true kick serve really forces you to correctly post.
Great video. You also did a video where the left leg lands first which also helps the transfer of energy through to the racquet. I purchased the serve course and a few others from OTI and all are good.
very good nadir and you can do the same with forehand and backhand. I remembered you have done the federer analysis in several part with the non dominant side. Jef f from france
Yes, exactly. Gregg did that for the groundstrokes and when we work the clinics together we always use this method to help clean up our students’ strokes who have “too much” action and not enough calmness in their strokes, simplifying and solidifying a more effortless and consistent stroke. Best wishes Jean
Excellent Nadim! I love the commonality in sports and posting the left side as what good golfers do...left side is a wall...and baseball players do when hitting.
Please explain the jargon a little more. What is the "out" in up and out swing path? and what exactly does it mean to post the non-dominant side of the body.
Nadim demonstrated form the deuce court. Would it be fair to say that the shoulder position, from the add court, would be somewhere between the net post and the sideline?
Dr. Bagelmaker thanks for checking in. If you find yourself not being able to i Clyde this while jumping, then jumping may be something you want to leave out for a while. Only because the legs will still drive from the ground up but leaving the ground and executing this correctly requires more syncing and proper mechanics. Feel free to share a video of your serve and I will be able to give you more insight.
Howard Spector thanks for your comment. Rotation in itself is not a negative aspect of power generation. For the serve however, if your non dominant side is too active rotating or turning away and downward too early, you actually lose power because the swing needs to go up and out. By having the non dominant arm go down and around at contact, that makes it significantly hard to accelerate with the hitting arm into the correct swing path, namely “up and out”. Think of it this way: turn more at the very beginning or your service motion, to then be ready to uncoil into the correct path without over-rotating. Hope this helps. Try it with throwing a ball in Hail Mary fashion; you gain much more consistent trajectory with this method. Take care
I tried this tip today because too many of my first serves are faults, usually into the net. I had far fewer faults today. My Babolat POP showed a 5-7 mph drop in serve speed but that's OK if I hit fewer faults. Thanks for the tip!
Henry Scuoteguazza thanks Henry. Don’t worry about the speed drop for now. It will increase again once you swing in this direction and while in this posture with more confidence. It’s all about the position of the shoulder during contact so you swing up and out. When you see that your faults are consistently less than before, try adding effortless speed (during practice at first) without rotating early. Best wishes to you
@@NadimNaser Thanks! The timing of your tip was perfect because yesterday my doubles partner noted that my head and left side were collapsing as part of the serve. I think focusing on posting the non dominant side will help prevent that.
Henry Scuoteguazza it absolutely will :) try working on it not just on court and during point/match play but also with shadow swings and in other non-competitive environments to make sure that the hänge is actually being made. Easier that way at first. Best of luck
@@NadimNaser It is snapping very well. What you call posting, I am calling hoisting. What I think you call posture, I am calling alignment ( hitting shoulder high over opposite foot.) Thank you for your excellent videos.
@George Basham yes, exactly. It's an exaggeration at first but even at full speed, the shoulder are sideways at contact and after contact only coming down once the swing path up and out has been completed.
How does a slice action fit into this. I know by simply hitting to the side of the ball you get some slice action but adding trunk rotation great increases the slice. How do you do this while still posting the non dominant side?
Gordo Gordo thanks for your input. Check out another video I posted here talking about the difference of flat vs slice. You’ll see the difference between the serves are minimal and both require proper posting in order to a) not lose power and b) stay disguised. The video is called “Flat serve vs. Slice serve”
This could not look less natural. Looks all wrong and makes no sense bio mechanically. Sorry dude if you are presenting something that looks counter intuitive then it needs to be explained or at least look convincing. This may be the secret to a great serve but it hasn’t been taught here convincingly enough to be adopted at least imo. Thx
Very good advice. I’ve been opening up my shoulders and hitting into the net too much. I’m still trying to stop the bad habit ( muscle memory! ), but this helps a ton! I’m making good progress. Thanks, Nadim.
great tip! Serve is by far the toughest shot. Although I'm an accomplished player I've always struggled with opening up early and balance. This is a key tip.
Invaluable tip. It's the same concept as not dropping your tossing arm too quickly and violently because left shoulder rapid drop equals right shoulder ( hitting arm) being pulled down out of the hitting zone too quickly.
When I serve inconsistent, I consciously work on this for the past two years and it immediately adds pace, bounce and easy physics to be able to keep serving for extended periods.
Sz Ki thank your for your input 👍🏼 and yes, that’s happening to a lot of players.
@@NadimNaser thank you for the great tips and reminders ! Fantastic as always.
This is a very good and useful lesson. You should also note that power is generated by a shoulder-over-shoulder, rocking motion in which the tossing shoulder rises upward as the racquet shoulder drops during the toss and the tossing shoulder drops, as the racquet shoulder rises up toward the ball on the serve swing. Combine this with the racquet thumb up to racquet thumb down snap of the pronating wrist action during the serve swing and the result is a much more powerful serve through using just proper technique without greatly increasing any effort to swing harder.
James Reid VanVoris thanks James 👍🏼
Great point, the "shoulder-over-shoulder" motion as you put it is something I struggle with. It might help if I extend my tossing arm more and bend back just a tad. I'm guessing Nadim is exaggerating (and he says as much at the end) a lack of counter-clockwise rotation (for a right-hander) so that we focus on swinging upwards?
Yes the tossing arm must be fully extended (close to vertical). At this point the tossing arm is QUICKLY tucked into your chest as you jump into the court. This quick motion not only adds power to the serve but also brings the your front shoulder DOWN and your back shoulder UP (along with the racket elbow..)..this is the shoulder-over-shoulder rotation we are looking for.
This is just so brilliant, Nadim! As a golfer I’m quite familiar with this „posting up“ of the lead side to resist, but in tennis I struggle my whole life with this „ coming around“-movement, asking me „what do I wrong?“ My right foot is always turned around me and planted on my right side behind the baseline not foreward into the place BEFORE I strike the ball. I‘ve never had the idea, that this could be question of „posting“, but it‘s so logical. Thanks a lot,Nadim
Jo Sch so happy to read your “ah ha” moment. Let me know how it works for you when you try it out. Yes, golf has a big influence on this tip :)
Nadim, just returned from the tennis court. Yes, it works, but....... it‘s so hard to break the old habits. My mind knows what to do, but my body is doing other things😉. The most important thing is to know, there is a solution, the rest is practice, practice. Therefore, everything is okay, Rome wasn‘t build in one day, thanks again, keep up the real good work here.
Hi very good method, also I see a big tilt on the pros that has a way of keeping the early opening up and coming around. Thanks all your help
Great advice that beginners overlook.
Great tip, Nadim! I think I achieved posting by making sure as I struck the ball I felt (as a lefty) as if I was brushing the ball right-to-left. I realize now that this was actually more of a hitting up-and-out because, rather than getting the "kick" spin I was hitting flat or with a bit of slice. I assume that hitting a true kick serve really forces you to correctly post.
Will try tonight!
Great video. You also did a video where the left leg lands first which also helps the transfer of energy through to the racquet. I purchased the serve course and a few others from OTI and all are good.
very interesting tips, I will try!
Thanks! Will try it this week.
Neslie T super! Good luck 👍🏼
very good nadir and you can do the same with forehand and backhand. I remembered you have done the federer analysis in several part with the non dominant side. Jef
f from france
It was Gregg le sueur ... ruclips.net/video/6T-SEKOtzqQ/видео.html
Yes, exactly. Gregg did that for the groundstrokes and when we work the clinics together we always use this method to help clean up our students’ strokes who have “too much” action and not enough calmness in their strokes, simplifying and solidifying a more effortless and consistent stroke. Best wishes Jean
Excellent Nadim! I love the commonality in sports and posting the left side as what good golfers do...left side is a wall...and baseball players do when hitting.
Mark Egan exactly :) thanks Mark
Whip it, baby. Good tip
Another video just what I needed!
Please explain the jargon a little more. What is the "out" in up and out swing path? and what exactly does it mean to post the non-dominant side of the body.
Great video! Surely helps... thanks!
very nice advice!
Excellent!
Good advice. He is as assuming everyone knows which side is the dominant side. I'm not clear which side is the dominant side. Please respond. Thanks.
Nadim demonstrated form the deuce court. Would it be fair to say that the shoulder position, from the add court, would be somewhere between the net post and the sideline?
How can I apply this while jumping during my normal serve motion?
Dr. Bagelmaker thanks for checking in. If you find yourself not being able to i Clyde this while jumping, then jumping may be something you want to leave out for a while. Only because the legs will still drive from the ground up but leaving the ground and executing this correctly requires more syncing and proper mechanics. Feel free to share a video of your serve and I will be able to give you more insight.
You're not really jumping but transferring your weight. Your upward momentum and weight transfer will naturally get your feet to leave the ground.
Really useful.
Thanks man, it's really work in!
great tip !!!
wow this is interesting, will try
Try try but don't cry😅😅😅😅
never heard this before.-thanks
Love the way you teach brother. Are you originally from Pakistan?
He is from Taiwan
Doesn’t rotating upper body add power to that produced from shoulder and arm?
Howard Spector thanks for your comment. Rotation in itself is not a negative aspect of power generation. For the serve however, if your non dominant side is too active rotating or turning away and downward too early, you actually lose power because the swing needs to go up and out. By having the non dominant arm go down and around at contact, that makes it significantly hard to accelerate with the hitting arm into the correct swing path, namely “up and out”. Think of it this way: turn more at the very beginning or your service motion, to then be ready to uncoil into the correct path without over-rotating. Hope this helps. Try it with throwing a ball in Hail Mary fashion; you gain much more consistent trajectory with this method. Take care
I tried this tip today because too many of my first serves are faults, usually into the net. I had far fewer faults today. My Babolat POP showed a 5-7 mph drop in serve speed but that's OK if I hit fewer faults. Thanks for the tip!
Henry Scuoteguazza thanks Henry. Don’t worry about the speed drop for now. It will increase again once you swing in this direction and while in this posture with more confidence. It’s all about the position of the shoulder during contact so you swing up and out. When you see that your faults are consistently less than before, try adding effortless speed (during practice at first) without rotating early. Best wishes to you
@@NadimNaser Thanks! The timing of your tip was perfect because yesterday my doubles partner noted that my head and left side were collapsing as part of the serve. I think focusing on posting the non dominant side will help prevent that.
Henry Scuoteguazza it absolutely will :) try working on it not just on court and during point/match play but also with shadow swings and in other non-competitive environments to make sure that the hänge is actually being made. Easier that way at first. Best of luck
I get this feeling by standing sideways and "hoisting" the ball over.
David Burleigh thanks for your comment. Can you accelerate freely without losing posture?
@@NadimNaser It is snapping very well. What you call posting, I am calling hoisting. What I think you call posture, I am calling alignment ( hitting shoulder high over opposite foot.) Thank you for your excellent videos.
I am curious......where are you located?
@George Basham yes, exactly. It's an exaggeration at first but even at full speed, the shoulder are sideways at contact and after contact only coming down once the swing path up and out has been completed.
How does a slice action fit into this. I know by simply hitting to the side of the ball you get some slice action but adding trunk rotation great increases the slice. How do you do this while still posting the non dominant side?
Gordo Gordo thanks for your input. Check out another video I posted here talking about the difference of flat vs slice. You’ll see the difference between the serves are minimal and both require proper posting in order to a) not lose power and b) stay disguised. The video is called “Flat serve vs. Slice serve”
Good👍😎 for my serve👑🐵🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏👋👋
To me, your demonstration looks like an incomplete motion that will generate no power.
This could not look less natural. Looks all wrong and makes no sense bio mechanically. Sorry dude if you are presenting something that looks counter intuitive then it needs to be explained or at least look convincing. This may be the secret to a great serve but it hasn’t been taught here convincingly enough to be adopted at least imo. Thx