I've been watching you for a while and have never felt the need to comment yet but I need to say. You never disappoint with your videos, your playing, and with your wisdom involving drumming, music and sometimes life. Also I have to say your production has always been impressive, very few can deliver a lesson as well as you do while keeping it entertaining all the way through. Keep up the great work!
This is SPOT ON! I've been doing this for the past couple of years and it's made a major impact in my "vertical" time and groove. I've also reduced all the various subdivisions of the beat and then assigned them to be covered only by my weak hand and foot as well. You'll notice the difference as soon as you've gotten the three limbs grooving and THEN add your lead hand back in....Good on you for sharing this....
Your content is criminally underrated. Seriously man, your crazy talented and you never show the need to flex, your just here to share the endless wisdom you seem to have with drums. You've essentially become a second drum teacher for me lately. Keep doing what your doin :)
Those were some great examples to show the different ways that balance is affected while drumming. I appreciate how you’ve shown multiple methods for overcoming this and recognize that everyone could have different aspects of this where they get tripped up. It’s also great to see someone recognize a flaw, find a way to overcome it and be willing to share the solution.
Good Times Bad Times from the first Led Zeppelin album is a good song to work on this technique, for intermediate drummers at least. It’s a good warm up for 8th notes on the left leg since the chorus goes to a regular rock beat. It’s nice to be able to free up the ride hand to make more interesting beats but I have the most trouble with my independence between my feet, keeping steady 8s on the left foot and complimenting the groove with the right
Concur, great example. Especially if you play the cowbell *exactly* like Bonham, which does contain some additional 16th notes at times. Most drummers miss that in their covers, they're all consumed by the BD triplets...
I am going to agree with another commenter. I have been watching for a while, and given there are a 1000 of you, you are consistent, informative, funny, knowledgable, and most of all I love your analysis of....anything. Now the next step, I am going to begin to use your lessons. Thanks so much for what you do. I am a busy working family man with little time to figure s out, you are doing it for me. I think I am going to download this and begin using you as my guide.
Oh wow...this must be the 80 in 80/20! That 16th note matrix thing is hard to do over a fairly simple beat. This one is really helpful. 👏 (Thanks Nate)
I am an older drummer but when I watch this it reminds me of the how to feel Led Zeppelins Four Sticks - it takes four limbs and fast - anyway good job - I will work on this so thanks again!
You’re right dude. I ran into the same problem a few years ago. Doing some of the exercises in Stick control with the snare drum as the (left hand) and the kick drum as the (right hand) against straight 16th hi-hat on the up or down beats helped a lot.
Indeed very difficult and a very good lesson. How often isn’t it like: “let’s add the hihat on every beat (offbeat) and it will solidify the groove”, and then you realise that the opposite happens, since the coordination with the other limbs is not settled enough… what do you think of another solution I’m trying to work on: practicing the hats only 3 out of 4 times (tsjick Tsjick tsjick rest iso tsjick tsjick tsjick tsjick). Independent wise it’s more difficult (because ostinato), but coordinationwise it’s less difficult because you always have one “rest” moment in every bar (or half bar), and less “ooh the leg gets tired, it’s getting sloppy” (and fully aware that the moment that the moment you realise it, it’s probably already sloppy ;-))
@@fredguldentops6081 Yeah. All of it works. U can switch it up from straight notes to 3 out of 4, to dotted notes, to 5’s…different each measure…Depending on what the other 3 limbs are doing it can be a challenge to play just 1 whole note on the hi hat. Ultimately it’s about discovering weaknesses and developing the precision to play what u want in time.
Excellent, absolutely excellent. I have no ability in my left foot but following this something is happening, something pretty wonky so far but it's something at least lol!
Haven't commented in awhile. I hope you're well and thank you thank you thank you thank you for continuing to make high quality content videos. Seriously appreciated and returned to quite frequently, killin playing as always Nate
Great vid; this is even applicable to dual bass drummers like myself in the way that balance comes in when doing 8th notes alternating on feet while your hands are doing 16th subdivisions at 200bpm for example...finding out how much one tends to kickstand and leverage w their off leg- most crucial for me has been learning how this demands proper posture for equal footing
Midway through this session so I hope you don't address what I'm about to say: as someone who enjoys e-drums a bunch which makes switching your kick and the hi-hat ever so easy, doing just that helped me a lot with coordination. Just getting used to my kick drum routine on the other foot completely dissolved a bunch of knots that kept me from keeping it together, much like changing the strong sticking hand for your fills and grooves and what-have-yous can unlock completely different articulations and sounds, depending on the player. It's wild in what ways one can adapt to playing styles, and I guess this isn't something you just dump on a beginner drummer trying to learn everything, but switching up the limbs and playing an open left-handed hi-hat for a change really to me is what ended up help me relax and feel comfortable around the kit. Well into my journey too, I feel like with drums more so than with anything else, each lesson feels like a new milestone to leverage - or leverage more easily than most instruments, not having to worry too much about harmony and such.
it is odd when you take the lead hand away how trying to play everything else the same without it changes. I've practiced stuff like this just because it's a challenge and it def helps with timing and dynamics. Good to know it is useful to practice.
Looking forward to being able to afford your course. This lesson is so timely. Coming back to drumming after decades off, recognized this very same, in my case huge bottleneck. It's such a standard problem I recognized it's because most of us are learning the same way down to how we tap and count even when not playing. Active listening where the flaw is ingrained even deeper. (HS jazz band, no one said advanced drummers keep that hi-hat pulse.) So that's where I started to deconstruct the flaw, changed up my active listening adding a hi-hat pulse. Then envisioning where on my mental chart where it lined up with everything else limb wise.. long row to hoe, this tutorial has given me countless ideas to incorporate... thank you dude
This sounds like a really helpful lesson and I look forward to trying it myself. I wonder if you are really just setting your hi-hat as a new pillar to lean on and if playing without it is another valuable degree of independence.
Funny, while still a young/learning drummer had a teacher recommend steady eighths be felt, or just simply pulsed with left foot. Found it quite difficult and indeed even an overall annoyance honestly. Later on while ultimately performing with bands I noticed myself subconsciously pulsing eighths, as well as what seemed = naturally developing opening & closing high hat techniques within song context. Same seemed to occur with the execution of the double sixteenth note bass drum stroke beginning on the last "ah" & into 1st sixteenth of next measure = eventually just falls in. *Best recommendation for any young/learning drummer = get out and play with other musicians, have fun just playing music, as it ultimately amounts to hands on, immersion training. As you improve (ever so conveniently you'll tend to notice) ..the musicians you get to play along with have improved significantly as well.
I needed this man omg I’m tryna learn caravan and hit a massive dip in the learning curve I made It’s of progress but this development practice is perfect! I’m always asking myself what do I need to progress and this is a thhing
I just noticed something I'm not sure I've ever noticed before... his thumb movement. Does he move his thumb with his forefinger in some opposition to his other fingers? Like maybe, he needs to adjust the pivot point of the stick between his thumb and forefinger in response to his other fingers pulling the stick up? It's always left me in awe how some people seemingly intuitively pick up these exceedingly complex motions.
Oh you’re a bit salty on this one! Well you soften up as you go… Way above my ability but the way that you’ve identified a problem, demonstrated it and then gone on to remedy it is very thorough. Thanks 80/20!
Your stuff is a bit advanced for me. Seems like I'm always just working on learning songs that I don't set aside time to learn the drums. If I could just stop working so much. Great content as always my friend, love the channel!
I can relate. I had to quit playing in order to start practicing. Playing is where you strive to please somebody's ear, even your own, and you stick to stuff you already know and can do easily. Practicing is where you grind on stuff that is a little out of your reach and it sounds lousy while you work to get it. Practice is something you want nobody to hear while your doing it. I quit playing in bands years ago (they were just an expensive way to piss people off anyway) so I have no reason to learn songs anymore. With no songs to learn all I ever do is practice now.
I always struggled with playing the hats with the foot and playing the bassdrum a 16th before or after the left foot because of an unbalance. My left foot is somewhat my anchor to the ground… So this exercise is even harder for me xD
9:40 Mii Channel Music. Would advise against using Nintendo music in your videos, but I guess it could be fine in this one since you're talking over it. Thanks for the video! I have definitely felt this before and will try this exercise out!
This is a great lesion Now very Dumb question on the hh I am have trouble with the open and close ,meaning how tight is the spring in the stand itself to be I have a Tama iron cobra (with a TD50kv2) set up and has this setting ,right now its very thigh so I loosen it but I just can find that setting to follow my foot or most likely I know its me your thoughts please
I wonder how much of this depends on either not having an ideal drum throne (for your size, etc.) or not having an ideal posture or being seated in a way that you can freely move your legs, and still maintain balance. I also think using heel up on both feet will exacerbate the problem.
Yes, I thought the same. With the 1st exercise, both legs are simultaneously airborne just before the downbeats. This creates balance problems - especially when playing at slow tempos as both legs are ungrounded for longer.
@@shamusenright5387 Right. I’ve found a motorbike-style throne helps with that, as well as making sure you sit high enough - legs parallel to ground. I’ve seen so many drummers (even pros) who sit so low, I don’t know how they can play properly.
@@daniel.lopresti JoJo Mayer discusses seat height in one of his vids. The higher you sit the closer your feet are to your body, giving you more stability. The trade off being you have to work harder to lift your leg.
@@shamusenright5387 Thanks I'll check it out. Although that seems counter-intuitive to me tbh... I guess it also depends a lot on individual body shape / proportions etc...
I wish I knew what the philosophy is that creates exercises this specific, I've done all the courses and I find that I tend to overthink the practice parameters and get overwhelmed by all the things you can add to it to make it more specific, and then it feels like im missing the point.
When i click the download button on the link, it errors saying "The merchant has not setup their account correctly so it is not possible to charge you for the product you are attempting to purchase. We recommend you close this window and inform the merchant of this problem."
Now try splitting the eight-notes between two hi-hats and add some chords lol... ruclips.net/video/aOgQzzVOSI4/видео.html. Seriously, well done video. There are some ergonomic issues to talk about that play a big role in what you're teaching. I'm new to your channel so maybe you covered that somewhere else. I know to get two hats going with "quarters on one, eights on the other" or "alternating eights between the two hats" requires careful hat tweaking. Good sense of humour you have. I am going to enjoy subscribing and seeing more of your vids.
I've been watching you for a while and have never felt the need to comment yet but I need to say. You never disappoint with your videos, your playing, and with your wisdom involving drumming, music and sometimes life. Also I have to say your production has always been impressive, very few can deliver a lesson as well as you do while keeping it entertaining all the way through. Keep up the great work!
I dont even play drums and still watch these. I also dig he talks about musicians and Ive been introduced to new artists.
he s a close runner up to the winner of pple's choice award: mr max "dimsunk" sansalone;)
This is SPOT ON! I've been doing this for the past couple of years and it's made a major impact in my "vertical" time and groove. I've also reduced all the various subdivisions of the beat and then assigned them to be covered only by my weak hand and foot as well. You'll notice the difference as soon as you've gotten the three limbs grooving and THEN add your lead hand back in....Good on you for sharing this....
Your content is criminally underrated. Seriously man, your crazy talented and you never show the need to flex, your just here to share the endless wisdom you seem to have with drums. You've essentially become a second drum teacher for me lately. Keep doing what your doin :)
Those were some great examples to show the different ways that balance is affected while drumming. I appreciate how you’ve shown multiple methods for overcoming this and recognize that everyone could have different aspects of this where they get tripped up. It’s also great to see someone recognize a flaw, find a way to overcome it and be willing to share the solution.
Good Times Bad Times from the first Led Zeppelin album is a good song to work on this technique, for intermediate drummers at least. It’s a good warm up for 8th notes on the left leg since the chorus goes to a regular rock beat.
It’s nice to be able to free up the ride hand to make more interesting beats but I have the most trouble with my independence between my feet, keeping steady 8s on the left foot and complimenting the groove with the right
YES - that's another tune that tests this very skill. Nice one.
Concur, great example. Especially if you play the cowbell *exactly* like Bonham, which does contain some additional 16th notes at times. Most drummers miss that in their covers, they're all consumed by the BD triplets...
Oh god, i probably watched like 300 channels about drums but your level is in my top 5. Love from Turkey.
Excelent lesson!! Thank you very much!! From Córdoba, Argentina a big hug to you.
I always love your sense of heady humor and I sometimes promise to not overreact to other comments! Love the channel!
As ALWAYS thank you for sharing.You are an AMAZING TEACHER.Stay Blessed
I am going to agree with another commenter. I have been watching for a while, and given there are a 1000 of you, you are consistent, informative, funny, knowledgable, and most of all I love your analysis of....anything. Now the next step, I am going to begin to use your lessons. Thanks so much for what you do. I am a busy working family man with little time to figure s out, you are doing it for me. I think I am going to download this and begin using you as my guide.
I appreciate not having to skip 1/4 in to get anywhere close to the reason I clicked. Insta-subbed for that reason alone.
It's interesting, it's original, it's challenging, and it's practical. Booyah!
Very good lesson!
Wonderful !!
Thank you 🙏
Super inspiring ... You make
things I have avoided approachable
and things I wasn’t aware of recognisable.
Bless ya’ ❤️
Oh wow...this must be the 80 in 80/20! That 16th note matrix thing is hard to do over a fairly simple beat. This one is really helpful. 👏 (Thanks Nate)
I love how you organize and deliver ideas to anticipate the often brutal Opinion Mob. Always enjoying your content. Thanks!
I am an older drummer but when I watch this it reminds me of the how to feel Led Zeppelins Four Sticks - it takes four limbs and fast - anyway good job - I will work on this so thanks again!
This i started a few years back and it works wonders for my balance.
I play metal primarily but all this still applies, good vid.
You’re right dude. I ran into the same problem a few years ago. Doing some of the exercises in Stick control with the snare drum as the (left hand) and the kick drum as the (right hand) against straight 16th hi-hat on the up or down beats helped a lot.
Indeed very difficult and a very good lesson. How often isn’t it like: “let’s add the hihat on every beat (offbeat) and it will solidify the groove”, and then you realise that the opposite happens, since the coordination with the other limbs is not settled enough…
what do you think of another solution I’m trying to work on: practicing the hats only 3 out of 4 times (tsjick Tsjick tsjick rest iso tsjick tsjick tsjick tsjick). Independent wise it’s more difficult (because ostinato), but coordinationwise it’s less difficult because you always have one “rest” moment in every bar (or half bar), and less “ooh the leg gets tired, it’s getting sloppy” (and fully aware that the moment that the moment you realise it, it’s probably already sloppy ;-))
@@fredguldentops6081 Yeah. All of it works. U can switch it up from straight notes to 3 out of 4, to dotted notes, to 5’s…different each measure…Depending on what the other 3 limbs are doing it can be a challenge to play just 1 whole note on the hi hat. Ultimately it’s about discovering weaknesses and developing the precision to play what u want in time.
Great. Awesome. In New Zealand it’s even better!
This is me exactly. During jazz drumming sometimes i have that floating feeling waiting for that next beat
Excellent, absolutely excellent. I have no ability in my left foot but following this something is happening, something pretty wonky so far but it's something at least lol!
Haven't commented in awhile. I hope you're well and thank you thank you thank you thank you for continuing to make high quality content videos.
Seriously appreciated and returned to quite frequently, killin playing as always Nate
Great vid; this is even applicable to dual bass drummers like myself in the way that balance comes in when doing 8th notes alternating on feet while your hands are doing 16th subdivisions at 200bpm for example...finding out how much one tends to kickstand and leverage w their off leg- most crucial for me has been learning how this demands proper posture for equal footing
Midway through this session so I hope you don't address what I'm about to say: as someone who enjoys e-drums a bunch which makes switching your kick and the hi-hat ever so easy, doing just that helped me a lot with coordination. Just getting used to my kick drum routine on the other foot completely dissolved a bunch of knots that kept me from keeping it together, much like changing the strong sticking hand for your fills and grooves and what-have-yous can unlock completely different articulations and sounds, depending on the player.
It's wild in what ways one can adapt to playing styles, and I guess this isn't something you just dump on a beginner drummer trying to learn everything, but switching up the limbs and playing an open left-handed hi-hat for a change really to me is what ended up help me relax and feel comfortable around the kit. Well into my journey too, I feel like with drums more so than with anything else, each lesson feels like a new milestone to leverage - or leverage more easily than most instruments, not having to worry too much about harmony and such.
it is odd when you take the lead hand away how trying to play everything else the same without it changes. I've practiced stuff like this just because it's a challenge and it def helps with timing and dynamics. Good to know it is useful to practice.
89.9 thousand subs, so close to 100.000. Is there anything we can do to get you up there Nate? You deserve it. Great show, btw.
Pay bot farms I guess? 😜😳
Note : I used to use 1/8th's on hihat to replace playing 1/8th's right hand , which leaves that hand open for other noises !!
👍🙂 Nice, Nate!!!
Looking forward to being able to afford your course. This lesson is so timely. Coming back to drumming after decades off, recognized this very same, in my case huge bottleneck. It's such a standard problem I recognized it's because most of us are learning the same way down to how we tap and count even when not playing. Active listening where the flaw is ingrained even deeper. (HS jazz band, no one said advanced drummers keep that hi-hat pulse.) So that's where I started to deconstruct the flaw, changed up my active listening adding a hi-hat pulse. Then envisioning where on my mental chart where it lined up with everything else limb wise.. long row to hoe, this tutorial has given me countless ideas to incorporate... thank you dude
This lesson was so informative! Thank You Nate!
NIce , yup that's a dam good one !!! Now I have to start really praticing !!! Damit !! Cheers Rich
Beautiful!
This sounds like a really helpful lesson and I look forward to trying it myself. I wonder if you are really just setting your hi-hat as a new pillar to lean on and if playing without it is another valuable degree of independence.
Bingo your hi hat should be a third lead hand if not a solid anchor
Funny, while still a young/learning drummer had a teacher recommend steady eighths be felt, or just simply pulsed with left foot. Found it quite difficult and indeed even an overall annoyance honestly. Later on while ultimately performing with bands I noticed myself subconsciously pulsing eighths, as well as what seemed = naturally developing opening & closing high hat techniques within song context. Same seemed to occur with the execution of the double sixteenth note bass drum stroke beginning on the last "ah" & into 1st sixteenth of next measure = eventually just falls in.
*Best recommendation for any young/learning drummer = get out and play with other musicians, have fun just playing music, as it ultimately amounts to hands on, immersion training. As you improve (ever so conveniently you'll tend to notice) ..the musicians you get to play along with have improved significantly as well.
I needed this man omg I’m tryna learn caravan and hit a massive dip in the learning curve I made
It’s of progress but this development practice is perfect! I’m always asking myself what do I need to progress and this is a thhing
Killer lesson!
regardless of any coordination stuff im gonna learn that beat just because it's 🔥
Thank you!
Very interesting stuff, I remember practicing similar stuff in the past glad there is a transcription
25 seconds lesson :D awesome!
Damn good video- thanks for the insight!
I just noticed something I'm not sure I've ever noticed before... his thumb movement. Does he move his thumb with his forefinger in some opposition to his other fingers? Like maybe, he needs to adjust the pivot point of the stick between his thumb and forefinger in response to his other fingers pulling the stick up? It's always left me in awe how some people seemingly intuitively pick up these exceedingly complex motions.
Great content Again...Thanks!
all i needed was the first 30 seconds lol thanks!!!
Oh you’re a bit salty on this one! Well you soften up as you go…
Way above my ability but the way that you’ve identified a problem, demonstrated it and then gone on to remedy it is very thorough.
Thanks 80/20!
Your stuff is a bit advanced for me. Seems like I'm always just working on learning songs that I don't set aside time to learn the drums. If I could just stop working so much. Great content as always my friend, love the channel!
I can relate. I had to quit playing in order to start practicing. Playing is where you strive to please somebody's ear, even your own, and you stick to stuff you already know and can do easily. Practicing is where you grind on stuff that is a little out of your reach and it sounds lousy while you work to get it. Practice is something you want nobody to hear while your doing it. I quit playing in bands years ago (they were just an expensive way to piss people off anyway) so I have no reason to learn songs anymore. With no songs to learn all I ever do is practice now.
I always struggled with playing the hats with the foot and playing the bassdrum a 16th before or after the left foot because of an unbalance. My left foot is somewhat my anchor to the ground…
So this exercise is even harder for me xD
9:40 Mii Channel Music. Would advise against using Nintendo music in your videos, but I guess it could be fine in this one since you're talking over it.
Thanks for the video! I have definitely felt this before and will try this exercise out!
quality content man! appreciate everything uve done for the drumming community
This is a great lesion
Now very Dumb question on the hh I am have trouble with the open and close ,meaning how tight is the spring in the stand itself to be I have a Tama iron cobra (with a TD50kv2) set up and has this setting ,right now its very thigh so I loosen it but I just can find that setting to follow my foot or most likely I know its me your thoughts please
Would this help with microtime? Like taking out the lead hand (which would likely fill in the higher subdivision) and playing with offbeats?
Adam Gray's limb ladder comes to mind.
Oh man that’s a great nugget.
Dude i really like your content
What you think about changing the lead to the left? I noticed some improvements in my independence (Im amateur tho).
Gracias 💪
this was helpful tnx
Nice, nate
Heel up or down on the Hats?
PLAYING HOME!!!!! OH NO THANKS KEEP ROKIN LIVE NOT AT HOME 😅
I wonder how much of this depends on either not having an ideal drum throne (for your size, etc.) or not having an ideal posture or being seated in a way that you can freely move your legs, and still maintain balance. I also think using heel up on both feet will exacerbate the problem.
Yes, I thought the same. With the 1st exercise, both legs are simultaneously airborne just before the downbeats. This creates balance problems - especially when playing at slow tempos as both legs are ungrounded for longer.
@@shamusenright5387 Right. I’ve found a motorbike-style throne helps with that, as well as making sure you sit high enough - legs parallel to ground. I’ve seen so many drummers (even pros) who sit so low, I don’t know how they can play properly.
@@daniel.lopresti JoJo Mayer discusses seat height in one of his vids. The higher you sit the closer your feet are to your body, giving you more stability. The trade off being you have to work harder to lift your leg.
@@shamusenright5387 Thanks I'll check it out. Although that seems counter-intuitive to me tbh... I guess it also depends a lot on individual body shape / proportions etc...
Pearls as always brother. I'll be busy for a year with all that, lol.
I wish I knew what the philosophy is that creates exercises this specific, I've done all the courses and I find that I tend to overthink the practice parameters and get overwhelmed by all the things you can add to it to make it more specific, and then it feels like im missing the point.
I use the funky drummer beat and it’s permutations with this same approach . So helpful .
When i click the download button on the link, it errors saying
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Do a day in the life drummer
No hidden flaws for me. Mine are very much out there for all to see
on the groove at 8:55 it sounds like you are signaling an eighth note upbeat..
For some reason it's much harder for me to play the beat at 7:49 with switched left foot and right hand. So you play the HIhats on the off beat.
Congratulations on getting to the title card before the 3 minute mark!
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balance
8:39
Now try splitting the eight-notes between two hi-hats and add some chords lol... ruclips.net/video/aOgQzzVOSI4/видео.html. Seriously, well done video. There are some ergonomic issues to talk about that play a big role in what you're teaching. I'm new to your channel so maybe you covered that somewhere else. I know to get two hats going with "quarters on one, eights on the other" or "alternating eights between the two hats" requires careful hat tweaking. Good sense of humour you have. I am going to enjoy subscribing and seeing more of your vids.
No go full Louis cole in clowncore and play keys while doing this
Now, try watching Netflix while doing these exercises.
Whattup dude you never talk about Ginger Baker. No love or what?
Amy winehouse beat
Your entire premise is discredited because your hihats aren't quite big enough
HA
@@8020drummer is that the Eric Harland combo?