I adore all the animation/cutaways that’s in here, really helps to visualise all this brain talk! Finding this series super interesting, thanks Katie ☺️
@@Katimorton thsnk you im suffering from burn out right now, thought i was some sort of monster. Resting up i hope my good emotions come bavk im a Christian its a nightmare for me.
I've been burned out for 1.5 years now, if not even longer but that's when I got my diagnosis and the first thing me and my therapist did was break down my weekly schedule completely and then slowly build it up again through time, starting with taking care of the dishes every day, and then vacuuming once a week, then meet a friend once a week. Just doing one thing at a time until it's not giving me anxiety and making me feel exhausted anymore, and create a more realistic life where I don't have to do everything, all the time. Last week I learned that turning my phone off every once in a while is really important as it's stressing me out so much that I constantly feel like I have to be online and be updated on everything. It's almost as if I'm doing two things at once all the time, keeping an eye on my phone and whatever the else I'm doing. Turn the phone off!!
I love when he says "Quit your fucking job" because I love the simplicity of that solution but it might not be practical. Kati herself said she used to work 3 jobs and still couldn't get by (it be like that in California) so it doesn't sound like she had a choice. But she made a key point: the reward needs to change. I can encourage myself when I get burnt out on school because it's temporary. But some people's situations seem to stretch indefinitely and they either have to find a way to adapt or alter the situation. And they do talk about that in the video.
I don't know. I've had depression and I think I have a burn out right now, and these two emotions are very different. When you're depressed, well, you're depressed and have suicidal thoughts, but when you're burned out it feels more like stress and worrying, and you feel extremely depressed but only when you're in the situation that made you burned out. I guess it's possible to feel burned out from life too..
One thing we can do this week is to say no. I just said no to three projects in a row. Mostly due to timelines. I'm booked solid over the next few days and I let them know I couldn't finish them by the time they're requesting. However, I could do them deliverable for early next week. I guess I've grown a set . . . of new boundaries :)
This. Set boundaries. We should be honest about what we are capable of with the current health instead of trying to make up for work that you can't do.
I think so many of us suffer from 'burnout' while simultaneously thinking we are 'not doing enough' or 'we should do more' :/ Thanks Kate for this relevant video:)
Writing my thesis + plus work + going to sleep every day 1-4 am then wake up 7am to go to work and thinking that my effort is not worth enough. Then going to RUclips to see if I burned myself after 2.5 weeks. I don't have a clear view it seems...
So just thinking about everything so far.... burnout is the result of too much stress doing a particular thing or occupation you to all the time. Basically stress along with repetition
Thank you for you fascinating videos 😄 Last year, I was suffering from panic attacks and burnt out. I had a negative work environment and workplace bullying. I left that job, rested and went through therapy. Now I'm feeling much better. I'm here to say it gets better. I want anyone here experiencing this to know that it gets better.
What about people in countries where they have to work 60-80 hours a week at unfulfilling jobs, horrible spaces, not being respected or even seen by managers and only make a few dollars a day? (sweatshop like settings) These people have no other option but do those horrible jobs (and we, people in richer countries are allowing this to happen), they don't even have the option to be 'burn-out' and take a leave of absence, go on a holiday, go to therapy etc.? Can we also focus on those people, people who don't have it as well as the people in rich countries? Thank you.
Thank you so much for this! It’s so so so relatable. I have been a RUclipsr for 7 years and just listening to “what it is” makes me feel relieved, like... oh I’m not going crazy ☺️
I'd be interested in diving into burnout and how it can come about due to dealing with disabilities. It seems to be not uncommon that a lot of us go through a cycle of trudging on and then having a down of burnout about taking care of ourselves, because it really is a full time job for us. Unfortunately not many options as far as taking up different hours or new employment though. lol
I really loved the quote about feeling guilty for having negative feelings about a positive thing. It's validating to know that you can still do what you love to do, but change the approach and find ways to increase the reward to help avoid burnout and continue to be passionate about what you are doing.
For me, it really helped to know that we can suffer from burnout from things not necessarily job-related like being a stay at home mom or maybe even studying. Because there were times in my life when I was going through this and I wasn't working at that time. I had no idea why I was being so... emotional. Naturally, if the amygdala is enlarged, it'd make things like anger outbursts or even crying spells that much more common and it helps me understand myself better. Thanks Katie, really helped
Love this series so far. I was burning out at my old work place due to me volunteering for extra things ontop of work as well as my work giving me more things to do, I snapped and had a go at my boss (apologised when I next saw him) and he told me he gave me the extra work as he thinks I'm coasting through things and not pushing myself
wow... I am so sorry your boss thinks like that :( Ugh! I hope this series is helpful for you!! After learning more about burnout as a whole I will get into how to heal from it and stop it from happening again. xoxo
@@Katimorton thank you, I've moved since then and work has gone mental as km doing what people usually have 12 months to do in 4 months, my new boss asked me how I'm doing and when I said okay (my go to response) he was like dont BS me, dont tell me what you think I want to hear, how are you doing? Which was good. Hes been helpful with it all
What to do this week....when I'm feeling exhausted and telling myself that I have to do more, I'm going to give myself a minute to write down some accomplishments/achievements. Instead of always focusing on what's not done/what's left to do, I'm going to remind myself to see the things that did provide satisfaction and pride. I would be interested in hearing anyone's unique self care ideas though; my go-tos are walking my dog and reading fiction books.
Back when I used to volunteer at a rabbit rescue I was told that burnout is very common in the rescue world (and also that vets have a high rate of suicide). Seeing so many bad cases and animals dying despite your efforts, as well as the emotional effect of witnessing neglect and trying to educate ignorant/stubborn people. It all gets too much...but then you feel guilty for feeling that way because the animals need an avdvocate and continued support. It takes a lot of emotional and mental strength to be involved in that world.
I'm a SAHM struggling with ADHD, and anxiety and depression. I thought I was burnt out last summer, but it was really a worsening of my anxiety and prompted me to talk to my doctor about medication. Now I'm on Zoloft and feeling better, but I know that burnout stalks me and with it a worsening of my symptoms. Here's what I do: - Make a point of connecting with friends. With or without the kids. Just meeting for an hour at the park to chat while the kids run around can fuel the rest of the day. - Cut myself some slack and say yes to things that aren't mission critical. I'm trying to become ok with "good enough." -Let my husband parent when he is home. I don't want to be the go-to for everything in the house. I want my kids to know that their father is just as capable as I am.
I've been thinking that I'm dealing with burnout right now. This video almost solidified a couple viewpoints that affirms what I thought. It was good to know that the symptoms of burnout and depression are similar because that's what I thought I was feeling, but felt that it wasn't depression. Also...my mind blew open when you talked about how we can feel guilty on the negative feelings, even when the positive feelings are a tangible thing. I've been getting many compliments on what I've done at my job, but don't take time to acknowledge probably because I'm viewing/nitpicking the negative out of it. The "i could've done this better" or "I need to work on this". That has been such a constant going on that it makes me feel better knowing that that is also a sign of burnout.
Those surgeons who organised a strike sound like brave strong people. It’s not easy to stand up to authority or try to change a way a society is structured when you know something is wrong. It’s easier to bow your head, do what you’re told, be a “good worker”, and suffer. This guy sounds like he has a balanced life. He works but isn’t overloaded.
today is my second month without DOING ANY EFFORT ( both professionally and socially) , i haven't been able to go to class ( im a second year medstudent and it's not necessary to attend in my country ) , exams are coming up and i promised my self to go to a therapist after the exams but i need a quick fix, i feel trapped ( ps : I've been battling alone with depression for many years now, but i managed to stay the " straight A student" i was, even though i always leave work til the last minute but it's getting worse and worse ) ps have a good day ♥
I suffer from the exact things that you mentioned and I'm a third year medical student. unfortunately the attendance is compulsory in my country, so imagine having to go to classes everyday although you know you won't comprehend anything. i intended to ignore the situation for the upcoming three months -same like you, after exams end-. but I knew if the exams came while I'm in this state, it will be a matter of time for me to fail this year and i'd have to repeat it again and seriously that's alone pushed me to reach for help. month ago I booked an appointment to meet with a therapist and currently we're trying to work the situation out. I don't know yet if it's going to be effective or not but at least it's worth trying. have a nice day and if you could, you should seek a professional help.
I feel like burnout is a common occurrence I highschool because, for me personally, I usually put a lot of energy into competing assignment and project (which often results in a good grade), but since I don't really value my grades that much I don't get much of an immediate reward. Also I often hear my classmates talking about how they feel like the school schedules are too rigorous and don't really give them time to relax and take care of themselves. I also don't think, based on what my peers have told me, that when a teenagers expressed that they're tired to an adult, then the adult usually doesn't believe them.
My grandma (where i live) has a burn-out. This series is really helping me understand what happens when you have a burn-out. Thank you so much for bringing us this series Kati! Xoxo❤️
The thoughtfulness, introspection, humanness (is that a word?), and depth you go in your subjects kept me tuned in. Your back and forth “pain in the ass” is what made me subscribe. Honestly, thank you for these videos.
Another great video, thank you Kati! It really helps me understand the difference between depression and burnout and many thanks to Dr. Lieberman, for his contribution. I really enjoyed watching this conversation and one highlight (and maybe eyeopener in some way) was, that he said, that burnout is probably another form of depression. And that burnout is not only work-related, but also relates to bad relationships. Thank you Kati, keep up your great work - your channel taught me a lot and helped me so much, also in evaluating my therapy!
Healing from burnout is so hard to me. It's a constant state that I should feel bad about myself for being dysfunctional member of society who has some special needs. My body doesn't accept the fact that I can relax and just rest for as long as it takes (I've worked hard to allow this luxury for myself). I've waked away from toxic environments but it's so strange when I don't hear that somebody judges me for not being productive, it gives me extra anxiety. Dunno how it will end for me but it surely be better someday!
I know you wont see this but....Thank you. Thank you. I went threw a bad burn out. And never quite understood it. Or I'd have people tell me that "a burn out is nothing". Or to "sick it up and stop being lazy". So thank you. Thank you for once again making me feel like I'm not alone. Thank you for educating all of us. You are incredible
Also very cool when you think about the amygdala getting larger and the impact on the prefrontal cortex as it relates to some of the more impulsive symptoms of burnout like absenteeism, ethical issues, and irritability. The enlarged amygdala is pushing impulsivity!
Sad I missed this, it didn’t hit my sub box 🙃 Love keeping this discussion going though. I work in residential behavioral health and I love my job, I love impacting the lives of my clients and seeing their growth but it’s so easy to get burnt out when they go through aggressive/combative spikes in behavior.
I went through my deepest depression last fall into winter due to burnout, Ive mowed grass 6 seasons now and became foreman 3 seasons ago but for the 2020 season I decided to do the entire season solo because in 2019 my partner left the company. Naively I figured training a new person would burn me out! Plus I wanted the extra money and hours. Basically imagine 50,000 steps give or take every day 5 days a week, weed whipping/mowing businesses, residential (everything). a schedule of about 35 properties on repeat every single week from April to November. With varies stressful mechanical issues through the season that I also dealt with solo because I was so stubborn to ask for help. I also moved myself during this to a new place. The burnout started to happen so gradual but man it sucked literally loosing interest in literally everything and not knowing what was going on. I did it tho and am still treating it but it taught me so so much, still is. Brought to light so many past undealt with issues. Theres much more to the whole story but this was the basis of my burnout
I had experienced burnout and it brought me to the point of contemplating suicide. After an anxiety attack from the heavy workload & loss of heart in what I was doing I had a wake up call. I always thought I was never doing enough and after taking a break to step back. I realized how great I do have it and I am now seeking ways to really have a full life outside of work. Also, to actually enjoy the fruits of my labour which has paid off in ways I couldn't realize in the dread of another work day. So far, I am feeling a lot better now. But, thank you for touching on this topic in such depth. Super excited to watch the rest of this series. :)
I took Dr Lieberman's advice and "quit my fucking job" that was causing my burnout. I'm currently receiving short term state disability for my mental condition and am very thankful for the validation not only from my own therapist, but from both of you. Thanks, Kati and Dr Lieberman for your suggestions and explanation. I work in health care and know so many of my coworkers who are battling the same work-related burnout. I'm also thankful that I'm not a physician and have the luxury of being able to take some time off and get mentally stronger. I am contemplating changing careers and not returning to health care.
I really like how you’re your natural self in your videos and you don’t really try to be a perfect person just because you’re a psychologist! Thank you so much! 😊😊😊
This series is tremendously helpful! I'm between therapists and psychiatrists right now and I'm just realizing that I had untreated burnout over the last several years in addition to my major depression. The headaches and brain fog, sleep trouble, and constant fatigue... I kept wondering why my medication changes weren't helping all this time and wondering what direction to go with my doctors. I have some new insight on what to talk to my next therapist about.
Thank you for another great discussion Kati. It’s very comforting to know that professionals such as yourself and Dr. Lieberman are able to explain these issues so openly and simply. My thoughts are that feelings of burnout and depression are normal in our lives as humans. I think that what is so important is how each of us develop a sense of self awareness and instinctual confidence when we go thru those feelings, and it is so important that during that period, almost step outside of our body and mind to take an objective look at ourselves as it is happening. Then, we can see how it is possible to overcome it by acknowledging it, accepting that it is normal to feel that way, and gain perspective which is what will help us rid our ill thoughts. Almost like riding an ocean wave. We can survive it if we just believe that we are capable of handling it. And always knowing that we are not alone. Ever. 🙏❤️
Thank you for this, Katie! I've suffered repeated burnout since beginning a new career 8 years ago (software engineering). Heavy workloads and long hours. Studying in a programme without support for mature students and again with long hours. In some cases bad management. The contractor cycle, shifting between financial insecurity and periods without work and high demand and high pressure. And a lot of impostor syndrome, with recruiting agencies, colleagues, expectations that put upskilling and retraining onto my own efforts (outside of work), etc. I've now reached the point of thinking of canning it, going back to study a different new career, and just do software as a hobby thing, plus it gives more time for enjoyable hobbies (Photography, Languages).
I think burnout is more common than people realize. Especially in America, the truth is people spend more time working than doing anything else. Working is important and can be fulfilling but I think life should be more 50/50 if not 40/60 when it comes to work. I also am really sad that so many jobs and professions are KNOWN to create burnout but there is little training and support for professionals going thru it! I think people in medical fields, people who do direct caring for others, therapists, social workers, police officers, military professionals, people who work in hospitals and nursing homes, teachers, even hair stylists need to have burnout be part of the orientation and there should be more support within companies to help.
The way I dealt with burnout from pre-existing Obsessive Compulsive Disorder [diagnosed at 13, I'm 31 now] and Major Depressive Disorder [diagnosed at 13, I'm 31 now] was to go on 12 months leave without pay...I no longer felt what I was doing as an accountant was meaningful...I'm 4 months in to my leave, but still feel burnt out and in the midst of an existential crisis. I take medication and have monthly therapy sessions with a psychologist, but still haven't felt any better...
I suffer from depression. I had a job where the burnout was so bad I almost committed sucide.i ended up leaving that job. Now I'll be graduating in May as an MA. Best decision I ever made
Currently reducing my burnout by simply living day to day and trying not to focus on the future too much because that's a great source of anxiety for me! But then again seeing the bigger picture also helps?? Also lots of naps and cuddles when I'm at home from work.
I've suffered from depression at times in my life especially as a teen and young adult when I had major breakdowns. A really toxic work environment in 2011 really messed me up though, and in general, the work I was doing burned me out over a course of 14 years, so now I'm trying to retrain into something less demanding.
I’ve been talking with my therapist recently about how burned it i am from school. Like I’ve had school burn out for the last year atleast. Buttt.... it’s getting better! It’ll take time! But good things do! Thank you for this series so far, love u💞💞💞💞
I’m hoping in this series you discuss some lifestyle changes to help us manage our cortisol. I have done some reading on my own about adrenal fatigue which I think clinically make sense regarding burnout and I would be interested if you could touch on this in the series. For now I’m trying to add in more exercise.
Amazingly informative and the perfect amount of laughs Kati! Love listening to you interview others as you bring out the gold in a subject. Especially like the animations too, the conversation starters and homework. Love the editing styles and tips I am learning from you gurus! Wonder if DJ Sean will be animated?? Hahaha. Keep up the great work legends!! Thanks for changing our world, our brains and our lives. A series like this on trauma would be so helpful and needed around mental health circles and conversations.
I believe burnout is the chronic overuse of a certain area(s) of the brain. High levels of stress and trauma for long periods of time seem to have large alterations in mood and the ability to feel.
Thank you both for taking the time in making this to help us better understand ourselves. I've been trying to be more positive in just about everything, tho not easy at time's.
Great presentation. Thanks. Just came through a bout of burnout that I felt was related to having plateaued in my quest for self-improvement. That led to depression. After having congestive heart failure l was forced to re-evaluate my direction in life which surprisingly reduced my burnout and as a direct result got rid of my depression. Now I look forward to a renewed sense of direction with new vitality. Hope this message was helpful. Thanks again for your presentation.
Thank you Kati for creating this wonderful video and giving me some tools to use. This is a wonderful topic to talk about. Please do more video on this wonderful topic.
The most interesting thing to me is that there is a psychological component and we could get help from a professional to reevaluate who we are, why we're doing things, and what we want now.
A lot of talk around Burnout seems to be focused around high energy/high stress jobs, but can it be from jobs that are monotonous? I work three jobs, all of which don't keep me busy throughout the day and the work hours stretch on forever. I have't slept well at all over the last several months, and I'm so dead tired and exhausted all the time. I don't have the energy to fully enjoy things that I used to do and I feel like I'm falling into a depression. Can you get burnout from working a job that DOESN'T keep you busy?
I think it's interesting. We don't often think about work-life balance like it is a subjective thing. For entrepreneurs, I think a lot of people get drawn to the lifestyle with the expectation that it will decrease their workload and reduce their stress but often find that the opposite is true.
My friend was feeling depressed awhile ago and I wrote her a letter. She was just sleep exhausted, but after that, she suggested I become a therapist. I haven’t thought to much about it and I was wondering your thoughts of what makes a good therapist? Just curious, thanks!!:)
Hi Kati , after listening to your conversation with Dr. Barry Lieberman , I learned many things and many of my feelings are real , from being a 24 / 7 caregiver for decades to all of a sudden just me , and scared of what or where my future lies. I am not as young as I used to be , I can`t go back into the work force , but I have so much to give. But in order to survive we need money , and I lack the social media skills to make it happen. You have read a lot of my work , I almost have enough material for a book , but I have no idea how. I reached out to someone , but they have yet to respond , I have tried many avenues to find the answers. I feel like I am burned out from trying ??? Can you get burned out by trying ? Thanks , Gary XX
I don't even know what to do about this right now. I just had two days off and still woke up exhausted. I've been too exhausted to drive over to the doctor, wait in the waiting room, just to have another one not want to give me a referral to a psychologist (and prescribe me another pill which I doubt will give me more energy or rest). Too scared to quit my job, can't reduce my hours, and have to keep up with bills.
Its interesting to me how connected everything is in our bodies. Since my rheumatoid arthritis symptoms started 2 years ago I've been more susceptible to burnout. I think that my brain fatigues quicker. As my RA has been treated, my burnout symptoms have lessened.
I think burnout is as much a societal problem as an individual one. It would be interesting to ascertain what the baseline norm of not being burnt out is, how many would fit that criteria? It’s clear that at times of recession, burnout will be an epidemic in some sections of society, The needs to survive as opposed to the tendencies to strive are maybe as prone, where the immediate and pressing needs of sufficiency are barely achieved or need constant repeated efforts to do so. Having some sense of possibility and choice are human needs and this for many is in scarce supply.
I think I have been experiencing burnout for the past year and it’s becoming very apparent this past week. I’m a fifth year college student ready to get out of college but unfortunately I’m not getting out very soon. Not only did I switch majors from music education to music performance and still planning on getting my masters in music therapy, I can’t take an insane amount of classes like the rest of my colleagues can. I do well with obtaining 12 credit hours a semester when I usually start out with 19. This past week, I haven’t been able to do my homework because I’m not motivated to. I have been telling a few friends that I want to drop out of the semester but they all told me not to do it. I’m trying to keep myself going but it’s only the middle of the semester and it’s only going to get worse from here.
I adore all the animation/cutaways that’s in here, really helps to visualise all this brain talk! Finding this series super interesting, thanks Katie ☺️
I am so glad!! Thanks for the feedback :) xoxo
@@Katimorton thsnk you im suffering from burn out right now, thought i was some sort of monster. Resting up i hope my good emotions come bavk im a Christian its a nightmare for me.
I've been burned out for 1.5 years now, if not even longer but that's when I got my diagnosis and the first thing me and my therapist did was break down my weekly schedule completely and then slowly build it up again through time, starting with taking care of the dishes every day, and then vacuuming once a week, then meet a friend once a week. Just doing one thing at a time until it's not giving me anxiety and making me feel exhausted anymore, and create a more realistic life where I don't have to do everything, all the time. Last week I learned that turning my phone off every once in a while is really important as it's stressing me out so much that I constantly feel like I have to be online and be updated on everything. It's almost as if I'm doing two things at once all the time, keeping an eye on my phone and whatever the else I'm doing. Turn the phone off!!
How are you doing now?
@@santeenl better, but still burnt out. Been home on disability for 5 years and I'm just now on my way to practise working again, once a week.
is it just me or is dr.
lieberman voice hella relaxing.
I love when he says "Quit your fucking job" because I love the simplicity of that solution but it might not be practical. Kati herself said she used to work 3 jobs and still couldn't get by (it be like that in California) so it doesn't sound like she had a choice. But she made a key point: the reward needs to change. I can encourage myself when I get burnt out on school because it's temporary. But some people's situations seem to stretch indefinitely and they either have to find a way to adapt or alter the situation. And they do talk about that in the video.
Burnout: situation-specific depression
Depression: life burnout
I don't know. I've had depression and I think I have a burn out right now, and these two emotions are very different. When you're depressed, well, you're depressed and have suicidal thoughts, but when you're burned out it feels more like stress and worrying, and you feel extremely depressed but only when you're in the situation that made you burned out. I guess it's possible to feel burned out from life too..
This is actually mind blowing. Nice and simple perspective. Thanks!
One thing we can do this week is to say no. I just said no to three projects in a row. Mostly due to timelines. I'm booked solid over the next few days and I let them know I couldn't finish them by the time they're requesting. However, I could do them deliverable for early next week. I guess I've grown a set . . . of new boundaries :)
John P. Milligan 😹 (In that case I think my “boundaries” are a little underdeveloped). 🤦♀️😹
Is it possible to heal?
This. Set boundaries. We should be honest about what we are capable of with the current health instead of trying to make up for work that you can't do.
I’m so burned out from long term stress I don’t feel any emotions anymore :( can’t sleep either
What about now?
I feel you
I think so many of us suffer from 'burnout' while simultaneously thinking we are 'not doing enough' or 'we should do more' :/
Thanks Kate for this relevant video:)
big mood
Good point. Can become a downward cycle.
Exactly!
Writing my thesis + plus work + going to sleep every day 1-4 am then wake up 7am to go to work and thinking that my effort is not worth enough. Then going to RUclips to see if I burned myself after 2.5 weeks. I don't have a clear view it seems...
Amen sister!
So just thinking about everything so far.... burnout is the result of too much stress doing a particular thing or occupation you to all the time. Basically stress along with repetition
Janae Bella my main take away was the importance of the rewards. So everything you said plus the work you put in is out of proportion to the reward.
Everyone need self care days it's good for our mental health.
Patricia the booke TREAT YO SELF!!!!!
Absolutely!!! Even if it's just chunks of time in your day reserved only for you!
Thank you for you fascinating videos 😄 Last year, I was suffering from panic attacks and burnt out. I had a negative work environment and workplace bullying.
I left that job, rested and went through therapy. Now I'm feeling much better. I'm here to say it gets better. I want anyone here experiencing this to know that it gets better.
What about people in countries where they have to work 60-80 hours a week at unfulfilling jobs, horrible spaces, not being respected or even seen by managers and only make a few dollars a day? (sweatshop like settings) These people have no other option but do those horrible jobs (and we, people in richer countries are allowing this to happen), they don't even have the option to be 'burn-out' and take a leave of absence, go on a holiday, go to therapy etc.? Can we also focus on those people, people who don't have it as well as the people in rich countries? Thank you.
Thank you so much for this! It’s so so so relatable. I have been a RUclipsr for 7 years and just listening to “what it is” makes me feel relieved, like... oh I’m not going crazy ☺️
My problem is it affected my sleep and I switched jobs which is alot less stressful but it's still taking me time to heal.
"Well no, they take it from a vein" I'm DYING 😂😂😂
I'd be interested in diving into burnout and how it can come about due to dealing with disabilities. It seems to be not uncommon that a lot of us go through a cycle of trudging on and then having a down of burnout about taking care of ourselves, because it really is a full time job for us. Unfortunately not many options as far as taking up different hours or new employment though. lol
Going this right now. I tried to pretend to myself that I was healthy and rushed around doing lots of things. Quelle surprise: I ended up very sick.
Yes PLEASE! I have Asperger's and ADHD and I get overwhelmed so quickly! It sucks; it ends up leading to burnout 😪
Incredible timing in my life. I've been doing 50-60 hours per week between two jobs and having a real rough time with burnout.
I really loved the quote about feeling guilty for having negative feelings about a positive thing. It's validating to know that you can still do what you love to do, but change the approach and find ways to increase the reward to help avoid burnout and continue to be passionate about what you are doing.
For me, it really helped to know that we can suffer from burnout from things not necessarily job-related like being a stay at home mom or maybe even studying. Because there were times in my life when I was going through this and I wasn't working at that time. I had no idea why I was being so... emotional. Naturally, if the amygdala is enlarged, it'd make things like anger outbursts or even crying spells that much more common and it helps me understand myself better. Thanks Katie, really helped
Love this series so far. I was burning out at my old work place due to me volunteering for extra things ontop of work as well as my work giving me more things to do, I snapped and had a go at my boss (apologised when I next saw him) and he told me he gave me the extra work as he thinks I'm coasting through things and not pushing myself
wow... I am so sorry your boss thinks like that :( Ugh! I hope this series is helpful for you!! After learning more about burnout as a whole I will get into how to heal from it and stop it from happening again. xoxo
@@Katimorton thank you, I've moved since then and work has gone mental as km doing what people usually have 12 months to do in 4 months, my new boss asked me how I'm doing and when I said okay (my go to response) he was like dont BS me, dont tell me what you think I want to hear, how are you doing? Which was good. Hes been helpful with it all
What to do this week....when I'm feeling exhausted and telling myself that I have to do more, I'm going to give myself a minute to write down some accomplishments/achievements. Instead of always focusing on what's not done/what's left to do, I'm going to remind myself to see the things that did provide satisfaction and pride. I would be interested in hearing anyone's unique self care ideas though; my go-tos are walking my dog and reading fiction books.
Back when I used to volunteer at a rabbit rescue I was told that burnout is very common in the rescue world (and also that vets have a high rate of suicide). Seeing so many bad cases and animals dying despite your efforts, as well as the emotional effect of witnessing neglect and trying to educate ignorant/stubborn people. It all gets too much...but then you feel guilty for feeling that way because the animals need an avdvocate and continued support. It takes a lot of emotional and mental strength to be involved in that world.
I'm a SAHM struggling with ADHD, and anxiety and depression. I thought I was burnt out last summer, but it was really a worsening of my anxiety and prompted me to talk to my doctor about medication. Now I'm on Zoloft and feeling better, but I know that burnout stalks me and with it a worsening of my symptoms. Here's what I do:
- Make a point of connecting with friends. With or without the kids. Just meeting for an hour at the park to chat while the kids run around can fuel the rest of the day.
- Cut myself some slack and say yes to things that aren't mission critical. I'm trying to become ok with "good enough."
-Let my husband parent when he is home. I don't want to be the go-to for everything in the house. I want my kids to know that their father is just as capable as I am.
I've been thinking that I'm dealing with burnout right now. This video almost solidified a couple viewpoints that affirms what I thought. It was good to know that the symptoms of burnout and depression are similar because that's what I thought I was feeling, but felt that it wasn't depression. Also...my mind blew open when you talked about how we can feel guilty on the negative feelings, even when the positive feelings are a tangible thing. I've been getting many compliments on what I've done at my job, but don't take time to acknowledge probably because I'm viewing/nitpicking the negative out of it. The "i could've done this better" or "I need to work on this". That has been such a constant going on that it makes me feel better knowing that that is also a sign of burnout.
Those surgeons who organised a strike sound like brave strong people. It’s not easy to stand up to authority or try to change a way a society is structured when you know something is wrong. It’s easier to bow your head, do what you’re told, be a “good worker”, and suffer. This guy sounds like he has a balanced life. He works but isn’t overloaded.
one year working with my psic on an ex relationship and I've never considered the case that Burnout would be involved, thanks for this!
today is my second month without DOING ANY EFFORT ( both professionally and socially) , i haven't been able to go to class ( im a second year medstudent and it's not necessary to attend in my country ) , exams are coming up and i promised my self to go to a therapist after the exams but i need a quick fix, i feel trapped ( ps : I've been battling alone with depression for many years now, but i managed to stay the " straight A student" i was, even though i always leave work til the last minute but it's getting worse and worse )
ps have a good day ♥
I suffer from the exact things that you mentioned and I'm a third year medical student. unfortunately the attendance is compulsory in my country, so imagine having to go to classes everyday although you know you won't comprehend anything. i intended to ignore the situation for the upcoming three months -same like you, after exams end-. but I knew if the exams came while I'm in this state, it will be a matter of time for me to fail this year and i'd have to repeat it again and seriously that's alone pushed me to reach for help. month ago I booked an appointment to meet with a therapist and currently we're trying to work the situation out. I don't know yet if it's going to be effective or not but at least it's worth trying. have a nice day and if you could, you should seek a professional help.
I’m late to the party, but this is so interesting. I’m a teacher and I experience extreme burnout.
I feel like burnout is a common occurrence I highschool because, for me personally, I usually put a lot of energy into competing assignment and project (which often results in a good grade), but since I don't really value my grades that much I don't get much of an immediate reward. Also I often hear my classmates talking about how they feel like the school schedules are too rigorous and don't really give them time to relax and take care of themselves. I also don't think, based on what my peers have told me, that when a teenagers expressed that they're tired to an adult, then the adult usually doesn't believe them.
Stella Shoemaker we used to call it”Senioritis”. That last stretch of senior year when you are past the breaking point
My grandma (where i live) has a burn-out. This series is really helping me understand what happens when you have a burn-out. Thank you so much for bringing us this series Kati! Xoxo❤️
5:19 you had me at 'those of us who have done meaningful amounts of drugs'
Notice the cheeky smile when the camera cuts away from the close up? ;)
Oh I so enjoyed his opinions before and hoped he would appear again. I would find him so reassuring as my psychiatrist
The thoughtfulness, introspection, humanness (is that a word?), and depth you go in your subjects kept me tuned in. Your back and forth “pain in the ass” is what made me subscribe. Honestly, thank you for these videos.
Another great video, thank you Kati! It really helps me understand the difference between depression and burnout and many thanks to Dr. Lieberman, for his contribution. I really enjoyed watching this conversation and one highlight (and maybe eyeopener in some way) was, that he said, that burnout is probably another form of depression.
And that burnout is not only work-related, but also relates to bad relationships.
Thank you Kati, keep up your great work - your channel taught me a lot and helped me so much, also in evaluating my therapy!
Loving this series so far! It is very validating to learn that there is scientific backings behind what I’m feeling.
Healing from burnout is so hard to me. It's a constant state that I should feel bad about myself for being dysfunctional member of society who has some special needs. My body doesn't accept the fact that I can relax and just rest for as long as it takes (I've worked hard to allow this luxury for myself). I've waked away from toxic environments but it's so strange when I don't hear that somebody judges me for not being productive, it gives me extra anxiety. Dunno how it will end for me but it surely be better someday!
"Quit your fucking job", best quote of the whole video. I really appreciate that candid and honest point of view.
I know you wont see this but....Thank you. Thank you. I went threw a bad burn out. And never quite understood it. Or I'd have people tell me that "a burn out is nothing". Or to "sick it up and stop being lazy". So thank you. Thank you for once again making me feel like I'm not alone. Thank you for educating all of us. You are incredible
I was really interested to hear about the cortisol blood testing! Really cool stuff, Kati ☺️
I love how you came at Barry super intense and inside of ONE response from him(“so did I”), you’d calmed your tone 100%!
Also very cool when you think about the amygdala getting larger and the impact on the prefrontal cortex as it relates to some of the more impulsive symptoms of burnout like absenteeism, ethical issues, and irritability. The enlarged amygdala is pushing impulsivity!
Sad I missed this, it didn’t hit my sub box 🙃 Love keeping this discussion going though. I work in residential behavioral health and I love my job, I love impacting the lives of my clients and seeing their growth but it’s so easy to get burnt out when they go through aggressive/combative spikes in behavior.
I went through my deepest depression last fall into winter due to burnout, Ive mowed grass 6 seasons now and became foreman 3 seasons ago but for the 2020 season I decided to do the entire season solo because in 2019 my partner left the company. Naively I figured training a new person would burn me out! Plus I wanted the extra money and hours. Basically imagine 50,000 steps give or take every day 5 days a week, weed whipping/mowing businesses, residential (everything). a schedule of about 35 properties on repeat every single week from April to November. With varies stressful mechanical issues through the season that I also dealt with solo because I was so stubborn to ask for help. I also moved myself during this to a new place. The burnout started to happen so gradual but man it sucked literally loosing interest in literally everything and not knowing what was going on. I did it tho and am still treating it but it taught me so so much, still is. Brought to light so many past undealt with issues. Theres much more to the whole story but this was the basis of my burnout
I start intensive outpatient treatment today for anxiety. I love watching your videos they always help
Such a great conversation with a great man! Thanks, Kati!
I had experienced burnout and it brought me to the point of contemplating suicide. After an anxiety attack from the heavy workload & loss of heart in what I was doing I had a wake up call. I always thought I was never doing enough and after taking a break to step back. I realized how great I do have it and I am now seeking ways to really have a full life outside of work. Also, to actually enjoy the fruits of my labour which has paid off in ways I couldn't realize in the dread of another work day. So far, I am feeling a lot better now. But, thank you for touching on this topic in such depth. Super excited to watch the rest of this series. :)
I took Dr Lieberman's advice and "quit my fucking job" that was causing my burnout. I'm currently receiving short term state disability for my mental condition and am very thankful for the validation not only from my own therapist, but from both of you. Thanks, Kati and Dr Lieberman for your suggestions and explanation. I work in health care and know so many of my coworkers who are battling the same work-related burnout. I'm also thankful that I'm not a physician and have the luxury of being able to take some time off and get mentally stronger. I am contemplating changing careers and not returning to health care.
I really like how you’re your natural self in your videos and you don’t really try to be a perfect person just because you’re a psychologist! Thank you so much! 😊😊😊
This series is tremendously helpful! I'm between therapists and psychiatrists right now and I'm just realizing that I had untreated burnout over the last several years in addition to my major depression. The headaches and brain fog, sleep trouble, and constant fatigue... I kept wondering why my medication changes weren't helping all this time and wondering what direction to go with my doctors. I have some new insight on what to talk to my next therapist about.
Burnout is something everyone needs to try to avoid due to long work hours 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thanks for your work.
This is an amazing sit down Kati, thank you!!
Thank you for another great discussion Kati. It’s very comforting to know that professionals such as yourself and Dr. Lieberman are able to explain these issues so openly and simply. My thoughts are that feelings of burnout and depression are normal in our lives as humans. I think that what is so important is how each of us develop a sense of self awareness and instinctual confidence when we go thru those feelings, and it is so important that during that period, almost step outside of our body and mind to take an objective look at ourselves as it is happening. Then, we can see how it is possible to overcome it by acknowledging it, accepting that it is normal to feel that way, and gain perspective which is what will help us rid our ill thoughts. Almost like riding an ocean wave. We can survive it if we just believe that we are capable of handling it. And always knowing that we are not alone. Ever. 🙏❤️
Thank you for this, Katie! I've suffered repeated burnout since beginning a new career 8 years ago (software engineering). Heavy workloads and long hours. Studying in a programme without support for mature students and again with long hours. In some cases bad management. The contractor cycle, shifting between financial insecurity and periods without work and high demand and high pressure. And a lot of impostor syndrome, with recruiting agencies, colleagues, expectations that put upskilling and retraining onto my own efforts (outside of work), etc. I've now reached the point of thinking of canning it, going back to study a different new career, and just do software as a hobby thing, plus it gives more time for enjoyable hobbies (Photography, Languages).
Loving the animations! It really makes the terms easier to understand
I think burnout is more common than people realize. Especially in America, the truth is people spend more time working than doing anything else. Working is important and can be fulfilling but I think life should be more 50/50 if not 40/60 when it comes to work.
I also am really sad that so many jobs and professions are KNOWN to create burnout but there is little training and support for professionals going thru it! I think people in medical fields, people who do direct caring for others, therapists, social workers, police officers, military professionals, people who work in hospitals and nursing homes, teachers, even hair stylists need to have burnout be part of the orientation and there should be more support within companies to help.
The way I dealt with burnout from pre-existing Obsessive Compulsive Disorder [diagnosed at 13, I'm 31 now] and Major Depressive Disorder [diagnosed at 13, I'm 31 now] was to go on 12 months leave without pay...I no longer felt what I was doing as an accountant was meaningful...I'm 4 months in to my leave, but still feel burnt out and in the midst of an existential crisis. I take medication and have monthly therapy sessions with a psychologist, but still haven't felt any better...
Loved this video and loved learning more about burnout
Thank you for this awesome series!
Was wondering, can someone suffer from depression AND burnout? How can you tell the difference?
I suffer from depression. I had a job where the burnout was so bad I almost committed sucide.i ended up leaving that job. Now I'll be graduating in May as an MA. Best decision I ever made
Laura Gadille Congrats on getting ur MA!!!
I needed this today! Thank you!
Currently reducing my burnout by simply living day to day and trying not to focus on the future too much because that's a great source of anxiety for me! But then again seeing the bigger picture also helps?? Also lots of naps and cuddles when I'm at home from work.
I'm going to avoid traffic this week to help with burnout.
I've suffered from depression at times in my life especially as a teen and young adult when I had major breakdowns. A really toxic work environment in 2011 really messed me up though, and in general, the work I was doing burned me out over a course of 14 years, so now I'm trying to retrain into something less demanding.
Really good follow up video!
I’ve been talking with my therapist recently about how burned it i am from school. Like I’ve had school burn out for the last year atleast. Buttt.... it’s getting better! It’ll take time! But good things do! Thank you for this series so far, love u💞💞💞💞
Homework: I'm going to the museum with some friends this weekend on my day off and I'm doing a body balance class on the weekend too.
I’m hoping in this series you discuss some lifestyle changes to help us manage our cortisol. I have done some reading on my own about adrenal fatigue which I think clinically make sense regarding burnout and I would be interested if you could touch on this in the series. For now I’m trying to add in more exercise.
Amazingly informative and the perfect amount of laughs Kati! Love listening to you interview others as you bring out the gold in a subject. Especially like the animations too, the conversation starters and homework. Love the editing styles and tips I am learning from you gurus! Wonder if DJ Sean will be animated?? Hahaha. Keep up the great work legends!!
Thanks for changing our world, our brains and our lives.
A series like this on trauma would be so helpful and needed around mental health circles and conversations.
This opened my eyes, i now know why im always lethargic and not motivated enough in job i was so passionate about. The guilt theory 👍👍👍
I believe burnout is the chronic overuse of a certain area(s) of the brain. High levels of stress and trauma for long periods of time seem to have large alterations in mood and the ability to feel.
Love this video ❤️
Thank you both for taking the time in making this to help us better understand ourselves. I've been trying to be more positive in just about everything, tho not easy at time's.
Great presentation. Thanks. Just came through a bout of burnout that I felt was related to having plateaued in my quest for self-improvement. That led to depression. After having congestive heart failure l was forced to re-evaluate my direction in life which surprisingly reduced my burnout and as a direct result got rid of my depression. Now I look forward to a renewed sense of direction with new vitality. Hope this message was helpful. Thanks again for your presentation.
Thank you Kati for creating this wonderful video and giving me some tools to use. This is a wonderful topic to talk about. Please do more video on this wonderful topic.
much needed validation. It’s too the point of figuring how to change the circumstances or get the f out lol.
The most interesting thing to me is that there is a psychological component and we could get help from a professional to reevaluate who we are, why we're doing things, and what we want now.
A lot of talk around Burnout seems to be focused around high energy/high stress jobs, but can it be from jobs that are monotonous? I work three jobs, all of which don't keep me busy throughout the day and the work hours stretch on forever. I have't slept well at all over the last several months, and I'm so dead tired and exhausted all the time. I don't have the energy to fully enjoy things that I used to do and I feel like I'm falling into a depression. Can you get burnout from working a job that DOESN'T keep you busy?
Laura Donahue absolutely! If you feel like you are not being challenged then you can lose motivation to do anything
This is so helpful. Thank you.
i loooove the animations. i mean content and topic ofc. but the animations. are. perfect.
I think it's interesting. We don't often think about work-life balance like it is a subjective thing. For entrepreneurs, I think a lot of people get drawn to the lifestyle with the expectation that it will decrease their workload and reduce their stress but often find that the opposite is true.
Heya ! Do you think you could talk about people with high potential / intellectual giftedness ?
I love this video, I can see the love and respect you and the doctor have. It's beautiful 😊
Great video 💚
Yes love u Kati
Thanks so much 🌺
I’m definitely burnt out. Looking forward to learning some skills to bounce back stronger
My friend was feeling depressed awhile ago and I wrote her a letter. She was just sleep exhausted, but after that, she suggested I become a therapist. I haven’t thought to much about it and I was wondering your thoughts of what makes a good therapist?
Just curious, thanks!!:)
“Quit your fucking job!” I like this doctor 😂
Off topic, but I love that elephant blouses! It reminds me of a shirt I had in the 80s :D
I was thinking the same thing!
Hi Kati , after listening to your conversation with Dr. Barry Lieberman , I learned many things and many of my feelings are real , from being a 24 / 7 caregiver for decades to all of a sudden just me , and scared of what or where my future lies.
I am not as young as I used to be , I can`t go back into the work force , but I have so much to give.
But in order to survive we need money , and I lack the social media skills to make it happen.
You have read a lot of my work , I almost have enough material for a book , but I have no idea how.
I reached out to someone , but they have yet to respond , I have tried many avenues to find the answers. I feel like I am burned out from trying ???
Can you get burned out by trying ? Thanks , Gary XX
I don't even know what to do about this right now. I just had two days off and still woke up exhausted. I've been too exhausted to drive over to the doctor, wait in the waiting room, just to have another one not want to give me a referral to a psychologist (and prescribe me another pill which I doubt will give me more energy or rest). Too scared to quit my job, can't reduce my hours, and have to keep up with bills.
Thank you, Katie! This was a great video!
Its interesting to me how connected everything is in our bodies. Since my rheumatoid arthritis symptoms started 2 years ago I've been more susceptible to burnout. I think that my brain fatigues quicker.
As my RA has been treated, my burnout symptoms have lessened.
Thanks Kati!! I know I am completely and totally burned out. Thanks for the info.
Funny thing ...
I was searching for tire burn out and this clip came up .....
This is brilliant. Thank you. Keep doing this.
I think burnout is as much a societal problem as an individual one. It would be interesting to ascertain what the baseline norm of not being burnt out is, how many would fit that criteria? It’s clear that at times of recession, burnout will be an epidemic in some sections of society, The needs to survive as opposed to the tendencies to strive are maybe as prone, where the immediate and pressing needs of sufficiency are barely achieved or need constant repeated efforts to do so. Having some sense of possibility and choice are human needs and this for many is in scarce supply.
I would look up the general adaptation syndrome (GAS). It has to do with the stages of stress and how it impacts the body.
I was not expecting Lieberman's reply to "It's a pain in the ass". Very good comedic break there. :)
Hey Kati, do you think you could talk about Functioning neurological disorder?
I think I have been experiencing burnout for the past year and it’s becoming very apparent this past week. I’m a fifth year college student ready to get out of college but unfortunately I’m not getting out very soon. Not only did I switch majors from music education to music performance and still planning on getting my masters in music therapy, I can’t take an insane amount of classes like the rest of my colleagues can. I do well with obtaining 12 credit hours a semester when I usually start out with 19. This past week, I haven’t been able to do my homework because I’m not motivated to. I have been telling a few friends that I want to drop out of the semester but they all told me not to do it. I’m trying to keep myself going but it’s only the middle of the semester and it’s only going to get worse from here.