That was mostly in foreign countries tho it was affordable way to game in poorer places. The US moved in from the PS2 earlier than that. Hell PS3 is still active as all hell in poorer countries for that same reason.
@@dohner29 I dunno, those games were released in the west too. Officially licensed no less. Since the PS3 store shut down, pretty sure the active games are bootlegs only.
Yeah ps3 and ps5 looked terrible at launch (get another job with slim upgrades that had less). Let alone the ps5 tax is annoying too, whether $10 from ps4 (which is probably why retailers don't want to stock them, and some ps4 digital games like soundfall and chenso club, are separate purchases from ps5), funko fusion being delayed (broken cutscenes on steam demo) for ps4/switch, and operation wolf returns doesn't offer a ps5 upgrade (it has psvr2 support too, which similarly has a tax to upgrade for some games like moss, angry birds and wind riders 2) despite it being on the ps4 box.
$$$$$. The PS3 went from infamously costing $599 to $299 within three years. The PS4 took 2-3 years to get to $299. We are nearly 4 years into the PS5s lifecycle and it has only seen a price increase. Add the cost of living increases over the years and it’s not hard to see why a lot of players are not upgrading from a still capable machine.
Yeah it's actually crazy they haven't been able to make a cheaper PS5 this late into its lifecycle. If this keeps up it will not have the longevity of the PSX, PS2, and PS4
The "phat" PS3 models from the first year of the console's life had backwards compatibility with PS2 discs, 4 USB ports and the console could save and play Super Audio CDs (remember those?) almost all of which were dropped to cut costs (the 4 USB ports were cut down to just 2).
The PS4 where I live has barely gone down in price since its launch back in 2013. Back then, it was $399.99 CAD, and when I last saw one, it was still selling for $379.99 CAD brand new.
As a 40 y.o. gamer, I made the decision that after I purchased a Switch in 2019, I would be perfectly happy making my PS4 and Switch last until at least 2030. With such an extensive collection of good games available for both of those systems, I felt that I could easily keep myself entertained at least that long.
More power to ya, but as a 29 year old gamer, the Switch 2 will be the first console I buy day one in my life. I don't care which games are the launch titles, I don't care if I have to pay 800 dollars, I'll be getting it. I've been wanting this thing like one year after buying my og Switch in 2018 😂
@@lutherholayeahme7449@ruuyg happy of everyone planning on getting the Switch 2. But I'm old enough to remember Nintendo's previous record/curse/pattern of console flops and wise enough to see the writing on the wall 🤣
@@lutherholayeahme7449@RuuyG Happy for everyone planning on getting the Switch 2. But I'm old enough to remember Nintendo's previous (cursed?) record of console flops and wise enough to see the writing on the wall 🤣
Nahhh I have to upgrade 2030 is crazy there is gonna be no more games coming to PS4 then.. 30fps is a killer for me I can’t play games under 60 & I gotta stay with the times I’m only 23 😭
I think the straight forward answer is the average gamer is not a digital foundry aficionado who buys top end GPUs every two years and this generation has the smallest gameplay-benefiting upgrade over previous generations.
Yeah, this "problem" is only going to get worse from now on. There absolutely is a diminshing returns effect on visual fidelity and effects. At some point very soon (perhaps next generation) the visual fidelity which sold these machines won't be enough to sell the machines anymore. I think the excessive amount of effort that sites like Digital Foundry have had to go to express to people the advantages of ray tracing to visuals more or less proves this. If the benefits were so self-evident... no one would need to make 20+ minute videos showing each minute detail for EVERY game that has ray tracing. I see it, you see it and probably other people that watch Digital Foundry notice these things somewhat easily (we know what to look for, after all). But for most people we'd have a hard time convincing them they need to spend hundreds of extra dollars (and the additional price hikes on games) just to get rid of small haloing around characters when standing in front of grass or tiny shadow benefits (relative to the whole picture during motion) over far cheaper alternatives. At some point, yes, ray tracing will be the predominant way to do everything, but it's going to be a very difficult road convincing people to jump ship from cheaper options, so until they can make good ray tracing at better performance without it breaking the bank... I think people are just going to stick with older/cheaper hardware. The Switch is doing so ridiculously well primarily b/c it's still using older pricing (for the vast majority of games) and the hardware is fairly cheap while giving them some features you can't get with other hardware. And for anything else? Frankly a PS4 or maybe PS4 Pro or Series S (if MS wasn't shit canning their console stuff slowly over time) seems to work just fine for them.
@@mza4739 And people simply enjoy what they have. We can be all corksniffy around here, and we kinda enjoy that, right, also to keep standards. But we should be self-aware about it and realize that most people don't nitpick and as long as the products they buy work well enough, they will simply enjoy it. - There seriously are still people playing on the PS3, not in a retro-trend kind of way but actually STILL from years ago, simply because they either just enjoy it or really can't afford to buy anything newer or just don't really want to and might only when their device gives up.
I have been amazed how many friends I have heard from who were still using their launch PS4 or launch Xbox One and only been compelled to upgrade to PS5 or Series X because EA Sports College Football 25 isn't on last gen. A reminder that those of us who exist in comment sections like this are not representative of the general public
Every time I read about people buying a $600 game system for "muh fuhbawl" I get reminded that I am surrounded by people that can't even mentally picture an apple
Funny thing is I'm going to buy a ps5 soon, just because my PS4 Pro is dying and I want to keep playing my old PS4 games. Since the PS5 is backwards compatible, might as well get it instead of a used PS4.
@@jokernotfunny If only there was Dolby Vision support, then I'd have a significant reason to add to the list to get a PS5. But as it stands now, I don't find it acceptable. I'm also not spending like 300+ Euros on a goddam Dolby Vision supported Blu-ray player.
As an old gamer who's been around from the 8-bit era, I think the answer is simple and plain, the lack of games that showcase the real potential these New machines can deliver. I'm still playing PS3 and most games I play on my PS4 are games originally released for the 7th generation (persona 5, Grand Theft auto 5) so if these guys reckon on faster loading times expecting people to spend 500+ dollars on a console, I only can conclude how much these corporations have lost sight of the issue. Sony is not the one we knew in the 90s anymore; Im starting to believe Nintendo got it right after the GameCube, it's the rest of us who were not able to see the big picture.
Most of the lack of games happened because the companies lauched their consoles in the pandemic period. So no other companies was developing any games in the period. Both consoles are good but they are ruined because Sony and MS are too greedy.
I'm really sad the Playstation has fallen as far as it is, they're software plans are a total mess. And I don't think it'll improve before the end of this gen.
@@UltimateGattai I genuinely think software output is Sony's biggest issue. Games are too expensive and take too long to make. Sony only publishes like 2 first party games a year if we're lucky, and maybe 1 or 2 second party titles. Nintendo outputs 1 first party game A MONTH. Sure, games wildly vary in scale, ambition, and quality, but I appreciate that. Would be cool to see Sony fund smaller scale projects like Visual Novels, 2D platformers, or other niche and creative genres that can comfortably sell
Same. Red Dead Redemption... GTA V... LA Noire... Max Payne 3... Dragon's Dogma... Skyrim... Batman: Arkham City... Deus Ex: Human Revolution... XCOM: Enemy Unknown... BioShock... Uncharted 2 & 3... The Last of Us... Mass Effect 2... Dark Souls... Resistance 3... Yakuza 5... just to name a few!!!! Yes, graphics have gotten better (and frame rates), but gameplay hit a high with the PS3's generation that is often missed even now 2 generations beyond! Heck, looking at this list I'd pay PS5 Pro prices for the 7th gen... but not current gen.
I just got a PS4 a month ago and have been using it a lot. All the games I own for it I got very cheap from charity shops or game stores. I think its a great option for people on a budget
Same. I bought a used PS4 (like new) in March, 2023 for just over $100 because I wanted to play Shadow of War and a couple other games, and I really have no reason or interest in "upgrading" to the PS5, partcularly since the newest model costs nearly as much as my rent. No thank you.
I've had my PS4 slim since 2017 and long story short it continues to offer loads of value. Seven years going strong and I still feel like there's so much left for me to experience and explore on the platform, for pretty inexpensive these days too (considering I have a pretty large backlog of games and am no longer making new purchases).
100% there's just A LOT of games on PS4 and I'm not even considering the shovelware, let alone the service games with never ending updates and replayability. Most gamers are adults these days, we won't have free time to burn through the backlog quickly
PS4 was the point where graphics became 'good enough.' Obviously it's only one generation ago but if you play the better PS4 games most of them look great even now. You don't find square circles or vomit for textures around every corner. PS1 visuals quickly aged, PS2 was not HD, PS3 had really dodgy framerates and sub 720p resolutions but then along comes PS4 and nearly everything is native 1080p with solid frame rates. For the most part the games hold up on a modern TV and the resolution is enough.
I can only imagine if the PS4 was backwards compatible with the PS1, PS2 & PS3, how much more popular & valuable it would be. Things are expensive due to so many reasons, gamers will ALWAYS crave value & a large game library in any console generation! 🎮 🤓
@@harrychalcraft9711 i wonder how the ps4 would run the baldurs gate segment where a cpu 4x more powerful at least drops under 30 fps. Or how it'd handle spiderman 2's traversal. Or any raytracing at all. Or nanite
Sony simply wouldn't allow it especially that we are in the middle of ps5's life cycle, this helps ps5 sales by limiting the number of new games that are coming to ps4 even though the system is still fairly capable
if you want to game on the cheap buy a cheap used pc and pirate your games, jailbreak your your console and pirate. i dont know if buying expensive games for the ps4 is that much better then a ps5 or series.
Not sure where you live but I can get a dozen good eggs for the equivalent of $8 here in England. I think the shop you are buying your eggs from is ripping you off
@@dmer-zy3rb umm... If you only play FIFA, I don't understand a reason why buy a headache when all you are looking for is to relax on your TV, after long day at work, and you don't have time after a work day to open windows , run steam, open game, download piratable version and try jailbreaking it for hours, always being afraid of crashing windows and steam, formatting drive in case of any viruses, and once it runs fiddle around with settings for 2 hours to get a perfect 30/60 fps rather than pressing one button and enjoying the game immediately with a box that works every time you turn it on. Also in case of GTA online be a bCh to all the hackers and modders on the PC side
@@corinful 8$????? for 12 eggs?? and i thought the price increase from 1.50 euro to 2.50 euro was a lot here in the netherlands but damn you are being robbed
This is an economics and common sense thing: 1) Only the biggest budget games really push current-gen hardware to its limits, smaller ones don't need the horsepower 2) Said big games take too long to develop and aren't made in large quantities 3) Like you mentioned, a bunch of games run "just fine" for many consumers This is maybe a sign that we've reached the point where gaming tech has been perfected and further improvements cater to the small enthusiast crowd, the tech makers' bottom lines, and developers wanting better tools to make their jobs easier. Most people can't tell the difference or are happy with what they've got.
yep, I definitely fall into the group of people that's happy with my PS4 and enjoying playing the games that I haven't gotten to from that generation because there are just so many games that are great, and the big-budget games that push the consoles to the limits don't come out as often any more. like, I'm playing Psychonauts 2 and AC Chronicles right now. I still have a 1080p TV from 2012, and yeah, they look good enough on it - often much better than that. I'll switch eventually (I'd like to play the Rift Apart, the Forbidden West DLC and AC Shadows), but I'm not in a rush and the second-hand PS5 market is still fairly expensive. I can afford it, I just don't want to pay that much to play games.
One major other factor is that the console was basically unavailable at a reasonable price for the first two years. People have gotten used to not owning a ps5. Atleast, that is the case for me
Nope, theres a gme for ps5 like stellar blade, star war jedi, spiderman 2 and etc. But most people still using ps4, i think theproblem is ps5 launch to early. 2020 is covid years and most people dont care about new generations.
I think another big factor is that the PS5 is fully backward compatible with the PS4. For indie developers, there is no real benefit to releasing solely on PS5 as you're cutting out a significant audience from your game. You can make a PS4 version and it will even benefit from the PS5 due to that console's backward compatibility features.
And then there's Animal Well that only launched to the PS5, while having a version for the Switch. It must have been a deal with Sony for that, because I can't believe this decision
@@rony_rst yep exactly what I was about to say. very mad at videogamedunkey for not releasing it on PS4 when there's a Switch release... Must be a specific deal because I can't understand it otherwise
And not even just indies. Square Enix released their Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster collection on PS4, not PS5. Why? Because these are 2D games that already run perfectly well on PS4, in 4K, with all bells and whistles. These games don't have any use for haptic feedback, SSD or anything, there would be exactly zero improvement to be made on a native PS5 port. So they didn't. And the players mostly don't see a reason to complain, quite the contrary, since it allows both PS4 and PS5 owners to enjoy it. There's just not so many games that clearly have a need or even a desire to push for the extra power of the PS5 outside the AAA field.
No single player exclusive AAA on PS5 except for GOW2, Spider Man 2 and Returnal. No significant price cuts, expencive to upgrade the storage, and since PSVR2 hasn’t taken of for the lack of first party games and was to expensive - people just don’s see the need to upgrade when most games still come out on ps4 and it has a massive game library!
This is the least significant generational leap in the history of video game consoles, combine that with the fact that there has been no price decrease and it makes perfect sense. If they want to continue selling new consoles they're going to have to have a much bigger generational leap next time around. I thought I was a graphics snob and even I can't tell the difference between a PS4 and a PS5 game.
Same reason PS2 dragged on forever. It was a great console with a great library and lots of casuals and broke people can't justify the upgrade cost for their gaming needs. I think we really overestimate the economic impact of hardcore and high income players. This is also why so much revenue is going to mobile games as well compared to consoles.
Exactly this. We overestimate the impact of hardcore, enthusiast users and I'll add that we underestimate the effects of inflation on average normal buyers. Keeping in mind that the hikes from inflation during Covid didn't disappear. Yes, the RATE of inflation went down, but the pre-Covid pricing never returned, so unsurprisingly most didn't have the luxury of "just getting over it".
@@desmondbrown5508I just have say though, as I did on another comment, that corporations have been proven to use "inflation" as a flimsy pretext to raise their prices above and well beyond what could be accounted for by inflation alone...and keep them there. It's mostly corporate greed.
I always laugh at the people in PC gaming forums etc. who have this myopic delusion that "everyone" is using a higher-end GPU/CPU etc. when in reality that's far from the truth. And then these same people complain in forums when some niche hardware technology that only accounts for a few percent of the market isn't utilized by every game.
Not to mention how expensive games can be in other regions outside of the U.S., Europe and Japan. I'm from Latin America and people kept playing with their PS2s for many more years, you can even find some interesting mods for games such as FIFA to this day. The Xbox 360 was also pretty popular and a friend of mine kept playing with it until 2018 or 2019. I think that's also a reason why Famiclones or SEGA Mega Drive clones are still getting made to this day
& that's why ps4 pro is dumb because it makes the next gen consoles seem like a less impressmaking ive making sony is still thinking of making a ps5 pro@apostateunion
It's not that the PS4 refuses to die. It's just the PS5 refuses to make sense and justify being purchased. Aside from some graphical fancy, I can play most of the new games on PS4 Pro. Curiously enough, no one says the same about the Switch and it's still selling well.
Part of the reason for this is that Switch and Switch2 aren't overlapping yet in their lifecycles with software releasing on both. But if Nintendo and 3rd party do try to tap into the enormous Switch1 install base years after Switch 2 releases you will see those comments.
@@stonerdemon I mean all the games except bloodborne play better. That's a huge reason right there. Also, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank and God of War: Ragnarok. Just because your elitist mind can't find a reason doesn't mean anything. I personally have a hundred reasons.
The thing is… the graphics from the PS4/Xbox1 gen are similar to the current gen of systems. The PS5/Xbox Series consoles are impressive. But really only offer better frame rates, faster loading, and higher resolutions than what we had before.
In my case buying a PS5 was about having a quiet machine and a smooth UI. Now, after three years, my PS5 is starting to make noise as I have seriously neglected dusting it. The UI is as smooth as ever, but my first DualSense's stick drift is getting worse and worse. I can still manage it, but it's starting to get on my nerves. My PS3 & PS4 controllers don't have any stick drift. It took about two years for my DualSense to start drifting.
I'm still on PS4 and have a large backlog of games to play that run well enough on the PS4, so I don't feel the urge to upgrade to a PS5 yet, if at all. I could hold out for the PS6 at this rate.
In my opinion, there haven't been enough true next gen games created to make enough people want to buy PS5/Xbox Series consoles. Almost every game that comes out is cross generation, which means they were created with the limitations of the old consoles in mind. So why even buy a new console if the games are still coming out on the old ones.
Because the new console plays those games better. It’s just that your average consumer hasn’t had that difference in quality drilled into them thanks to poor marketing.
@@aegisleague4053yeah, but why can't Devs just you.....know sort of indirectly get people stuck on PS4 onto ps5 with new proper games, i own a ps5, I used to own a PS4. I find it a little strange (not shocked) that a lot of people are sticking with their PS4 consoles while also at the same time millions are purchasing ps5 consoles. It's a very weird conundrum Sony is in at the moment
PS5 just hasn't been justifiable for the most part because most games are cross gen between PS4 and PS5 and doesn't have much more to offer over PS4 for $500. Loading times and performance overall are a noticeable improvement but it doesn't have much more going for it besides that.
@@supersmashmaster43with this economy , budgets and how long games take , they probably started on the ps4 version in 2019 and had to port over a ps5 version
ps5 is a generational leap its just that developers are lazy and or dont want to leave behind the ps4 because of the large base. Also, developers these days have no imagination, everything looks the same and games as a service is just a cash grab. the passion is gone with most of these development companies.
@@JoeW-e6bohh, yes. The old "developers are lazy" argument. The people that say this usually have no idea of what it takes to code a game or anything else for that matter.
I'd say it's because gaming on the PS4 is good enough. Casual gamers don't care about hardware power like hardcore gamers. The games still look good enough. I don't think it's anything special about the PS4 hardware. It's due to the state of the tech. People already looked like people in last gen games. Graphics already looked good enough. Just look how many people are playing Switch and mobile games. If they want to get people to migrate then they have to make games people want to play, not simply look at.
Yeah, it's definitely nothing special about the PS4 tech, because that 8-core jaguar is terrible 😂 But Sony did a great job with APIs to get amazing results out of it. Imagine what PC gaming would be I cards would get the same optimisations the PS4 got.
I got a buncha games on my PS5 but I have a ton for my PS4 so comments like this are just silly. PS4 to PS5 isn't like the difference from PS3 to PS4 in terms of games and quality, so there's little need to upgrade - plus there are PS4 ports of current gen games (without current gen features). But the PS5 still has a lot of titles that aren't on PS4. I can see both sides of the argument for "You should upgrade" and "why bother upgrading".
I have a PS4 Pro with about 40 games I haven't even started, and several more I want to get. As long as the bastard continues to work, I am more than happy to stick with it.
People talk about PS5 as if it’s somehow not selling well, but at the same point in its life it is roughly even with the PS4. Game consoles sell over a period of time, PS4 didn’t hit 100 million until nearly 6 years into its life and surpassed 60 million the same month the PS4 did aligned for their respective releases.
@@mikemayo4812bro specs ops the line 2012 is the best graphics game for me it is better than all cod and Sniper elite games. Moh warfighter 2012 is better than Anthem and Counter strike 2.
i'd imagine the current generation isn't really providing much for most casual players. in previous generations the boost in power caused new games to need entire separate versions in order to be playable on previous gen systems. these days it's much more feasible to lower the resolution and a handful of settings and just plop out a version for the previous gen (def simplifying of course but you get the point). as such, settling for less doesn't feel like a very impactful settlement anymore, since you'll still be getting a very solid experience where, let's be real, most casual players can hardly notice the cutbacks anyway
@@gothpunkboy89 It's a little of both, but I tend to agree with you...just like the people driving Dodge Neons would probably like a new car, doesn't mean the Dodge Neon gives them all the driving performance they need/want. It should be noted, at least in terms of corporate pricing, "inflation" doesn't factor into their grossly increased prices, they've priced things way beyond what could be accounted for by inflation alone, it's just pure greed.
My co workers don't even own any gaming systems 😢 I'm the only one playing games anymore. They all say they loves games they just don't have the money and time. It's definitely a generation thing not just PS4/PS5
@@jasonnesbit7494 Maybe they do, and the stigma that "games are for children/teens" means they just claim they don't. I do roll my eyes at people who say they don't have the "money and time" for a certain hobby and then blow money on expensive drinks, car stereos etc. and spend all their free time scrolling social media....they could easily play video-games, they just don't like them, no need to be dishonest about it.
@@716_ハディくん And it used to be when you aged a little beyond your teenage years, got a little life experience and figured out who you were you stopped caring as much and just enjoyed the things you enjoyed, but it looks like that age has been pushed WAY out and everybody is over-obsessed about social media. It's a dire mental health crisis that is already having repercussions.
1. No new interesting games on PS5 for even some "hardcore" players I'm not interested in the directions Spider-Man 2 and Ratchet & Clank went, Demon's Souls altered the art direction in a way I wasn't into, FF16 wasn't fantastic, ect. These long development times also mean many new games are years away and many franchises lay dormant. Astro and Monster Hunter Rise are what's eventually going to force me forward but it's taken awhile. 2. New games still on current hardware Title, though I admit knowing the games perform better on newer hardware (fps) means I'm unlikely to purchase them at all in some strange way, especially knowing I won't be entitled to the PS5 version later. 3. VS PC and Steam Most of my friends have jumped ship from consoles or are looking to make the switch as Steam has cheaper prices, free online, and many exclusive hit indie titles such as Lethal Company and Content Warning. I'm looking to do the same as getting charged to play Halo online a few times a month is starting to feel like the game I bought is being held hostage. I PAID for this already. With missing titles from PC I can't play new games, and even with crossplay if I play Monster Hunter my progress will be locked to a platform with a subscription fee even if I get a PC later. The console is feeling restrictive. 4. Ow my wallet I'm Canadian. I can't speak for other people's situations but I don't have the money to spend on a $700 box AND $90 games AND $80 contollers AND $15 a month subscription fees. Even minimum wage jobs are scarce here too. Entertainment is taking a step back as the financial noose tightens.
PS5 and the Series X has gotten increasingly more expensive over the years. It went from 500 to 550. You would expect after 4 years price will go down, but instead it goes up and up. So I won't be surprised if goes up to 599 by next year.
No idea what you are talking about, used PS5s with optical drive are in 300-ish range now. Discs are cheaper than ever, even Helldivers 2 can already be bought for ~25 euros. I wish PS Plus would be cheaper tho.
same in germany, 450 for discless and 520-550 for disc ps5 in basically every big electronics shop. My ps4 pro I bought back then for 200€ on ebay. Now for ps5 they still want 400+ for discless on ebay if the console doesnt look like it comes right from a battlefield.
honestly too PS4 is peak gaming we dont need more than 1080p looks sharp and enough, i dont want to pin point textures and look at the screen for more details i just wanna play the "GAMEPLAY" its not a movie its a game, i think the ps4 well still be alive for another 10 years.
I bought my PS4 during the $200 Black Friday 2018 sale and it's been awesome. I only play single player games on PS4 (as I also have a gaming PC with a 5600 and a 2070 Super) and I haven't felt compelled to buy a PS5 at all. There just haven't been any games that I was so excited to play that I felt the need to go and drop $500 on a new console to play them right away. I'm happy to either wait until the PS5 drops to $300 or to just wait until those games come to PC, since my PC seems to be still happily chugging along and can typically give me roughly PS5-level performance anyway.
@@gamingedition5165Unless they have a PS4 library already and don't like anything Xbox has to offer. Nobody is trying to play Starfield and Redfall. Ffs they just lost another AAA game with Wukong and lost out on months of the BG3 hype.
Its really quite simple, this gen has been full of remakes and remasters... Theres no need to upgrade to play a slightly shinier version of a game you've got. This gen peaked with Returnal. 😄
Exactly. Most of the originals on the current generation's predecessors still look great on older generation systems, giving people fewer reasons to spend extra money upgrading to current generation platforms, let alone purchasing these remakes and remasters.
Ps4 will never die. Most of the 50 million people who are on ps4 will be still be on ps4 even after ps6 releases in 2028/29. There is little difference between the ps4 and ps5 on most comparison videos. 30fps is enough for most games. There is no need to get a ps5 or ps5 pro except to play the few exclusives.
I bought the PS5 only so that I can play PS4 games as they should be played. So many great PS4 titles suffer from unstable frame rates and low frame rates. With PS5 you can achieve a locked 60FPS pretty much in most PS4 games.
I barely play AAA games, so everything I want to play has still been releasing on PS4. And since most of them are being designed to run on the Switch, the PS4 version is good. At the moment, I don't see a reason to buy a PS5 until either Kingdom Hearts IV or Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake release, meaning not before 2026.
@@Amonkai I ran into a homeless lady once when leaving my restaurant job a decade ago. I bought her a meal and kids meals for her kids, fed the whole family of 4 on $20. Can't do that now.
It would be fine if wages weren't stuck in 1998 . By purchasing power the minimum wage should be close to 30$/h. If in 1998 you made 100k right now you would need to make nearly 400k to be able to afford the same
Not everyone has money for the best GPUs on the market, which typically cost as much as console if not more than double. The nice part about PC is you get the options to drop to potato settings on every title, so you can play whatever title comes along majority of the time.
I'm playing Horizon Forbidden West on my PS4 slim and it looks absolutely stunning the developers have pulled off a mirical, but I am playing it on a 24 inch 1080p tv so it looks razor sharp no need to upgrade yet
As a PS5 user myself, it's perfectly understandable why so many PS4 users who can afford a PS5 without problems are just simply refusing to do so. The PS5 has a very miniscule library worth of exclusive games for that particular console as most of the popular titles for PlayStation already have a PS4 version and THAT convinces people to believe upgrading from the PS4 to the PS5 is nothing but a pointless waste of money and just purchasing the PS4 versions for their favorite titles is a huge money saver.
And the reason game devs are still releasing ps4 versions is because the ps4 has a larger install base than the ps5. In theory it'd be quite easy to never upgrade on either side if it remains profitable to make and sell games for the ps4.
Exactly. - Still receiving 50~60% of dev/publisher support - cross gen releases, updates, DLCs and ports. - Full support from Sony for the Classic (PS1, PS2, PSP) releases. - An extremely rich library only behind the Switch and PS2. - The vast majority of the multiplats are actually very decent unlike the Switch. It's the ultimate "plug and play" box... and it's cheap. I can literally go out today, buy a PS4 game released this year and have hours of content. Meanwhile the PS5 has a very gimped library to this day and the only benefits I would get from it is slightly better graphics and higher framerate... oh, and access to a few decent non-cross gen games. It's just not worth spending 550€ on something like that so I'm sticking with the PS4 Pro.
@@Manic_Panic Not to mention, a massive handful of titles you can get for the PS5 are remakes and remasters of titles released during the era of its predecessors. That also won't convince a large chunk of the PlayStation userbase to spend more money to replace their PS4 with a PS5. Especially when most of the original versions of remakes and remastered versions on PS5 already look perfectly fine for what it is on the PS5's predecessors (PS4, PS3, etc.)
because PS5 costs $800 in Australia when PS4 launched at $550 and progressively got cheaper... PS5 launched at $700 and 4 years on its only gotten more expensive. I don't have the money to justify such an expensive console.
What alex said is completelly flawed. First of all, that doesn't explain why this only happened this generation, the casual crowd of fifa and cod players always existed. Second, it doesn't explain why first party core titles like god of war and horizon are still made for PS4. Just to appease the "fifa people"? This is just ridiculous. The main reason why ps4 refuses to die is because the launch of the ps5 was a disaster, and the console itself and it's first party lineup is a disaster compared to ps4. Having slightly better graphics is not yhe most important thing. Ps5 is a disaster on so many levels including games line up, price and availability, DRM, going live service, lying from the start about the capabilities of the system and how games would be developed. Yeah.. no wonder a huge part of the core base choose to stick with the ps4 and they will keep doing that untill Sony get their sh*t together, or probably they will just move to PC eventually since it seems Sony is not al all happy with their PS5 since they pretty much started not only making the games to be cros gen, but also porting them to PC. This is basically an admission that their console is nothing "next gen" and it can't carry them forward as they would've thought.
In my experience, the opposite of this is true. More casual players I know assume they should upgrade to the PS5, but more hardcore ones skip it. They have enough games elsewhere to tide them over this entire generation and the PS5 doesn’t offer many new experiences that aren’t also on PS4. This channel being so focused on technical performance, it’s easy to forget that lots of people don’t actually care about that stuff. And for them, the PS5 doesn’t offer much over the PS4 and doesn’t justify a $500 purchase.
I still play old systems all the time. However between PS4 and PS5 at least on PS4 I can put my save file on a USB drive while PS5 forces you to use the cloud to back up a save.
Because Sony refuse to kill it, if they keep giving people incentives to stick to this platform since there are no PS5 games and big exclusives that demonstrate a generational leap, why would they move?
Videogames aren't seen as that new and exciting machine as it was back in the 90s and 2000s. Now it's so common that people see it as an appliance just like the TV or their sound system. And as Alex said, as long as it runs the current popular multiplayer games like Fortnite or EA FC, most regular people won't even think about moving to a new platform.
The reasons: Graphics have not improved enough. Most games still realse on last gen. There are not enough new exclusive games. The economy is horrible.
I don't own any console but I hope the PS4 lasts as long as humanly possible because its mere presence in the market forces devs to optimize their games to run on lesser hardware which in turn slows down the ballooning minimum requirements for PC games
Meh. I have an rtx 3070. I'm safe until Next Generation consoles arrive. It also helps to remember that PC gamers don't all switch to the latest and greatest, many use cheaper cards like the 3050ti, 3060, possibly a few 20xx or even 16xx series cards out there still. Most devs are done with building for PS4, it's just the stubborn fans trying not to budge on upgrading.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 heh, I'm still using my rig from 2013 with a GTX 750 ti. Probably won't upgrade until it stops working since I accrued a ludicrously large backlog of games on Steam (around 5k) and will likely still be playing 2010's games in the 2030's. I suspect many are in the same boat than me where moving on to newer games seems irresponsible, I blame how cheap bundles used to be years ago.
Ok the switch exists too, for that.But.... PC it's kind expected to NOT get that sweet dev optimization treatment like consoles like them do. Hogwarts legacy is a good example of this round table on PC hexagonal table on ps4 and square table on switch(or no table at all)
I think there's many reasons why ps4 is still popular. - ps5 is too expensive, chunky and with barely any exclusive games. None that compel me to buy a ps5. - I waited for ps5 pro turns out it's not worth spending my money on it. And not going to buy a ps5 either if there are no worthy games. - I grew up playing on sega genesis and windows 95 so while I do enjoy great graphics, I'm not obsessed with the latest greatest graphics improvements. I just want to enjoy a nice game. I still play on my ps2 from time to time. - ps4 graphics are still very good. Despite ps5 graphics improvements. - most people don't buy every new console that drops. I didn't get a ps3 when it was released I was still playing many ps2 games I also bought a ps2 slim and just bought a ps4 pro when it launched.
Ps5 games are too long to be developed because its too complicated to make aaa games now. So its too long and boring They shoud go back to smaller projects
One major thing that put me off and made me hold back (aside from the ridiculous price) was when I realized the early games announced on PS5 like Oddworld Soulstorm and Spider-Man: Miles Morales, were also coming out on PS4. So instead of me thinking like the mainstream way and be like - "okay it's time for me to upgrade." I was like, erm, no I'm just gonna get those games on my PS4 and carry on with that console until the PS5 finally goes down in price.
The PS4 might stop "refusing to die" if the PS5 stopped refusing to justify its existence. Faster loading times and 60 fps frameratr are awesome but you gotta have GAMES that make people want to upgrade. If most of your potential PS5 hits are also sold on the PS4, what's the point of moving to the PS5?
Om top of the popular livr service mp games still supported. A large roster of top tier single player games than many people want/own to but haven't played. Many of them looking fantastic for their age. Infamous Second Son Uncharted 4 Last of Us 2 Ghost of Tsushima God of War God of War Ragnarok Horizon Zero Dawn Horizon Forbidden West Elden Ring* Spiderman Shadow of the Colossus Bloodborne FF7 Remake Days Gone Death Stranding Red Dead 2 Detroit Become Human Persona 5
My brother had the luxury of getting himself a PS5 day one but seeing a lot of games are still on PS4, he never did upgrade. All PS4 games were playable and fine. Nothing to really upgrade. Only reason he has a PS5 now is because he got it as a surprise for his bday. Honestly, i would have kept my PS4 too knowing so many games are still supported.
Recently bought a ps5 and the only notable difference is the much quieter fan. Apart from that, the graphics are ever so slightly better but I think we are getting to the point where graphics have hit a wall and it’s hard to improve on them, unlike previous generations. The ps4 graphics are good enough IMO and the upgrade for some is probably not worth it when the ps5 is nearly £500.
It just isn’t worth it for the vast majority of consumers to upgrade when the price of living is increasing, many PS4 players are probably getting older and starting families with less free time/money to spare, and they can still play the games they want. Until GTA6 comes out and is PS5/Series exclusive or CoD and Fortnite will no longer receive updates, the vast majority of consumers aren’t going to jump over. But by the time they do want to jump over, the PS6 will probably be out.
My mother literally just wants to play the Kingdom Hearts HD collection. Told her get a used ps4 slim for $199. Games were just $60 and for the price of just under $300 my mom gets to have 300+ hours of fun across 9 collected games. She’s a gamer, but she doesn’t need the newest stuff just because it looks better. I’m keeping my PS5 slim until PS6
No console should die, everyone has the right to continue enjoying video games and no one should be forced to change consoles. (and I mean closing digital stores) is one reason that many people use PCs
No reason to spend the money on a new console when I already have a console that plays all the games. Besides, the games are going to come out on PC anyway so what's the point?
I used to have an Xbox One from November 2019 to March 2023 until I was able to afford to buy an Xbox Series X [mortgage and bills made it hard]. Maybe they can't afford to get a PS5 because of rent/mortgage/bills, and it's perfectly understandable.
Many don’t have 4K TV and then PS4 is ok. And today’s hardware upgrades are so small so it’s sometimes only pro gamers who can see the difference. My kids have two PC one with AMD Ryzen 2700 and RX480 GPU the other have newer Intel CPU and RTX 3070ti both use 1080 displays and I can hardly see difference when they play Fortnite, so why spend 1200$ to upgrade tho old PC when kids not complain. Same with PS4 why upgrade to PS5 when my old PS4 Pro works perfectly for Fortnite, GTA online and FIFA
I got PS4 Slim free with telly in 2020. And many digital games are very cheap...honestly, I only need a couple good games to rotate and occasionally add a new one. My bigest investment were 2 additional gamepads and couple relatively expensive (new TLOU2...) disc games at the beginning before I realised I was team digital.😁
Games are still releasing on ps4. It's also cheaper and better suited to the majority of the population in an economic shitshow. PS4 to PS5 was also an imperceptible jump to those who don't have a PS5 because a big part of this gen is that games just run much better - even older games (which is actually an incredible feature and could potentially blow up more with the proand PSSR). And the controller. It's wild and probably the biggest step forward in tech this gen. But if you're on a budget and can still get 95% of the games on PS4, it's not enough of a reason to upgrade. The games would be the reason, if they were unavailable like previous gens. It's been a weird gen for sure. But anyone who says there are no PS5 games is simply crying because the games are also available on other platforms. I have such a backlog. There's so many games. And they are most often a pretty big jump from the PS4 versions. Spider-Man at launch was a great example. I'm lucky and privileged to have a ps5 and the option to get the pro at launch if I want, but a lot of people I know with families to feed and limited budgets have a very different perspective. I gave my PS4 pro to a friend and he can still play with me for most games, and gets a pretty great experience with a still powerful enough console that runs new games. Sony is clearly aiming for the early adopters and high income crowd, and is so arrogant they're selling it in pieces, to make even more, and push people toward digital only, knowing it will piss everyone off and still sell out, making them some quick millions and converting even more people to digital only.
They removed the PS4 pro from the market thinking it'd force people onto the PS5 and instead people are just buying PS4 slims still or getting pros off ebay, people don't have $600 to drop on a system right now when $110 on ebay for a pro gets essentially the same experience
Short answer: the jump to this current generation of console is so pathetic that it's not worth it, especially at $500 1tb ssd when 1tb was given a decade ago when file sizes were smaller? That's just being cheap. Digital only consoles getting pushed on us so we surrender ownership of the games we buy? We see the effects of that. Hardly any new features if any at all...Seriously, what can they do? Last gen could've easily lasted another decade, but we gotta distract from the fact that the game devs of today suck at their job and none of these (minor) differences is going to compensate for that
I have a PS4. Then the Apocalypse hit and it was impossible to find a PS5. As time went on, I realized that it wasnt worth it to upgrade. And im not upgrading when the games for PS4 are still there and play quite well. I don't care about 4k 60 fps. I care about fun games that run well. PS4 is good enough.
I'm on PS4. What works for me is my Ps plus subscription which gives me access to a wide range of games for a relatively cheap price. Then there's the classics that get added every month. I'm not fussed about load times and graphics. If the game's fun then Ill play it, and there's loads of fun titles out there on ps plus that Im yet to try...so no PS5 anytime soon for me
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Still one million people still logging into their PS3’s everyday as well.
I'm one of them. The PS3 and it's backwards compatibility are worth its weight in gold to me.
I am one of them, I have 6 PS3s
I'm repairing a PS3 as we speak
@@thaneros what reason? I have 6 but one needs a new MoBo (RLOD tried to repair) and another a reflash (failed OC), both Fatties
@@Agent-mb1xx PS3 60GB Loose motherboard. Turns on for 2 seconds then turns off.
Remember that the PS2 was discontinued in 2013. And it received games until 2014.
Yes and PS4 will far exceed that life span.
That was mostly in foreign countries tho it was affordable way to game in poorer places. The US moved in from the PS2 earlier than that. Hell PS3 is still active as all hell in poorer countries for that same reason.
Game dev cycles take years, those games were started years before it ended, they aren't going to throw it in the garbage.
@@dohner29 I dunno, those games were released in the west too. Officially licensed no less.
Since the PS3 store shut down, pretty sure the active games are bootlegs only.
Yeah ps3 and ps5 looked terrible at launch (get another job with slim upgrades that had less).
Let alone the ps5 tax is annoying too, whether $10 from ps4 (which is probably why retailers don't want to stock them, and some ps4 digital games like soundfall and chenso club, are separate purchases from ps5), funko fusion being delayed (broken cutscenes on steam demo) for ps4/switch, and operation wolf returns doesn't offer a ps5 upgrade (it has psvr2 support too, which similarly has a tax to upgrade for some games like moss, angry birds and wind riders 2) despite it being on the ps4 box.
$$$$$. The PS3 went from infamously costing $599 to $299 within three years. The PS4 took 2-3 years to get to $299. We are nearly 4 years into the PS5s lifecycle and it has only seen a price increase. Add the cost of living increases over the years and it’s not hard to see why a lot of players are not upgrading from a still capable machine.
With a loss in major features.
Yeah it's actually crazy they haven't been able to make a cheaper PS5 this late into its lifecycle. If this keeps up it will not have the longevity of the PSX, PS2, and PS4
The "phat" PS3 models from the first year of the console's life had backwards compatibility with PS2 discs, 4 USB ports and the console could save and play Super Audio CDs (remember those?) almost all of which were dropped to cut costs (the 4 USB ports were cut down to just 2).
@@BHFFS The Economy hasn't recovered from COVID-19. most Luxuries will not get cheaper we fully recover from it.
The PS4 where I live has barely gone down in price since its launch back in 2013. Back then, it was $399.99 CAD, and when I last saw one, it was still selling for $379.99 CAD brand new.
As a 40 y.o. gamer, I made the decision that after I purchased a Switch in 2019, I would be perfectly happy making my PS4 and Switch last until at least 2030. With such an extensive collection of good games available for both of those systems, I felt that I could easily keep myself entertained at least that long.
More power to ya, but as a 29 year old gamer, the Switch 2 will be the first console I buy day one in my life. I don't care which games are the launch titles, I don't care if I have to pay 800 dollars, I'll be getting it. I've been wanting this thing like one year after buying my og Switch in 2018 😂
@@RuuyGI'm 24, and the Switch 2 will be the first game console i will ever pre-order
@@lutherholayeahme7449@ruuyg happy of everyone planning on getting the Switch 2. But I'm old enough to remember Nintendo's previous record/curse/pattern of console flops and wise enough to see the writing on the wall 🤣
@@lutherholayeahme7449@RuuyG Happy for everyone planning on getting the Switch 2. But I'm old enough to remember Nintendo's previous (cursed?) record of console flops and wise enough to see the writing on the wall 🤣
Nahhh I have to upgrade 2030 is crazy there is gonna be no more games coming to PS4 then.. 30fps is a killer for me I can’t play games under 60 & I gotta stay with the times I’m only 23 😭
For most gamers, the "next gen" of gaming won't start until GTA 6 releases
Pretty much
Yup, I have zero plans to get a new console until then.
FIFA 2030 or COD MW12
Very true. There hasn't been a huge must play mainstream cultural phenomenon game for only this gen yet. GTA 6 will likely change that.
Which maybe 2026
I think the straight forward answer is the average gamer is not a digital foundry aficionado who buys top end GPUs every two years and this generation has the smallest gameplay-benefiting upgrade over previous generations.
Yeah, this "problem" is only going to get worse from now on. There absolutely is a diminshing returns effect on visual fidelity and effects. At some point very soon (perhaps next generation) the visual fidelity which sold these machines won't be enough to sell the machines anymore. I think the excessive amount of effort that sites like Digital Foundry have had to go to express to people the advantages of ray tracing to visuals more or less proves this.
If the benefits were so self-evident... no one would need to make 20+ minute videos showing each minute detail for EVERY game that has ray tracing. I see it, you see it and probably other people that watch Digital Foundry notice these things somewhat easily (we know what to look for, after all). But for most people we'd have a hard time convincing them they need to spend hundreds of extra dollars (and the additional price hikes on games) just to get rid of small haloing around characters when standing in front of grass or tiny shadow benefits (relative to the whole picture during motion) over far cheaper alternatives. At some point, yes, ray tracing will be the predominant way to do everything, but it's going to be a very difficult road convincing people to jump ship from cheaper options, so until they can make good ray tracing at better performance without it breaking the bank... I think people are just going to stick with older/cheaper hardware. The Switch is doing so ridiculously well primarily b/c it's still using older pricing (for the vast majority of games) and the hardware is fairly cheap while giving them some features you can't get with other hardware. And for anything else? Frankly a PS4 or maybe PS4 Pro or Series S (if MS wasn't shit canning their console stuff slowly over time) seems to work just fine for them.
Also, life in general is just way too expensive. People have less disposable income.
@@mza4739 And people simply enjoy what they have. We can be all corksniffy around here, and we kinda enjoy that, right, also to keep standards. But we should be self-aware about it and realize that most people don't nitpick and as long as the products they buy work well enough, they will simply enjoy it. - There seriously are still people playing on the PS3, not in a retro-trend kind of way but actually STILL from years ago, simply because they either just enjoy it or really can't afford to buy anything newer or just don't really want to and might only when their device gives up.
New games suck. Not gonna buy a console to play 2 or 3 exclusive games.
@@robertharper3114 and the best one is a remake from the PS3 era
I have been amazed how many friends I have heard from who were still using their launch PS4 or launch Xbox One and only been compelled to upgrade to PS5 or Series X because EA Sports College Football 25 isn't on last gen. A reminder that those of us who exist in comment sections like this are not representative of the general public
There were a couple articles about people leaving bad reviews for CF25 because they found out the hard way that it doesn't work on their Xbox One.
It's the smoke detector beep community
@@3ericw 😂😂😂
This is true, I personally worked with somebody who bought a Series X for CFB25.
Every time I read about people buying a $600 game system for "muh fuhbawl" I get reminded that I am surrounded by people that can't even mentally picture an apple
Why bother?
I’ve played more PSP and PS1 games on my PS5… than actual PS5 games lol
Bruh my 08 laptop does that
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My point exactly
I watched more 4k bluray movies than playing games lol
Funny thing is I'm going to buy a ps5 soon, just because my PS4 Pro is dying and I want to keep playing my old PS4 games. Since the PS5 is backwards compatible, might as well get it instead of a used PS4.
@@jokernotfunny If only there was Dolby Vision support, then I'd have a significant reason to add to the list to get a PS5. But as it stands now, I don't find it acceptable. I'm also not spending like 300+ Euros on a goddam Dolby Vision supported Blu-ray player.
The differences in graphical jumps are minimal and the exclusive "next-gen" games tend to fall flat.
Play FF16.
@@pinonpine9460 I have one of few next gen examples
As an old gamer who's been around from the 8-bit era, I think the answer is simple and plain, the lack of games that showcase the real potential these New machines can deliver. I'm still playing PS3 and most games I play on my PS4 are games originally released for the 7th generation (persona 5, Grand Theft auto 5) so if these guys reckon on faster loading times expecting people to spend 500+ dollars on a console, I only can conclude how much these corporations have lost sight of the issue.
Sony is not the one we knew in the 90s anymore; Im starting to believe Nintendo got it right after the GameCube, it's the rest of us who were not able to see the big picture.
Most of the lack of games happened because the companies lauched their consoles in the pandemic period. So no other companies was developing any games in the period. Both consoles are good but they are ruined because Sony and MS are too greedy.
preach!
I'm really sad the Playstation has fallen as far as it is, they're software plans are a total mess. And I don't think it'll improve before the end of this gen.
@@UltimateGattai I genuinely think software output is Sony's biggest issue. Games are too expensive and take too long to make. Sony only publishes like 2 first party games a year if we're lucky, and maybe 1 or 2 second party titles. Nintendo outputs 1 first party game A MONTH. Sure, games wildly vary in scale, ambition, and quality, but I appreciate that.
Would be cool to see Sony fund smaller scale projects like Visual Novels, 2D platformers, or other niche and creative genres that can comfortably sell
Same. Red Dead Redemption... GTA V... LA Noire... Max Payne 3... Dragon's Dogma... Skyrim... Batman: Arkham City... Deus Ex: Human Revolution... XCOM: Enemy Unknown... BioShock... Uncharted 2 & 3... The Last of Us... Mass Effect 2... Dark Souls... Resistance 3... Yakuza 5... just to name a few!!!! Yes, graphics have gotten better (and frame rates), but gameplay hit a high with the PS3's generation that is often missed even now 2 generations beyond! Heck, looking at this list I'd pay PS5 Pro prices for the 7th gen... but not current gen.
I just got a PS4 a month ago and have been using it a lot. All the games I own for it I got very cheap from charity shops or game stores. I think its a great option for people on a budget
Games still look fantastic on ps4
Same. I bought a used PS4 (like new) in March, 2023 for just over $100 because I wanted to play Shadow of War and a couple other games, and I really have no reason or interest in "upgrading" to the PS5, partcularly since the newest model costs nearly as much as my rent. No thank you.
I've had my PS4 slim since 2017 and long story short it continues to offer loads of value. Seven years going strong and I still feel like there's so much left for me to experience and explore on the platform, for pretty inexpensive these days too (considering I have a pretty large backlog of games and am no longer making new purchases).
100% there's just A LOT of games on PS4 and I'm not even considering the shovelware, let alone the service games with never ending updates and replayability. Most gamers are adults these days, we won't have free time to burn through the backlog quickly
FR! I still have plenty of backlog!
@@cyco7229 for real! There are so many incredible games, you'd need a shovel to dig out the shovelware buried in all the greatness.
PS4 games are dirt cheap right now in Europe, you can find some of the best games for 10 euros sealed. Great if you missed this generation.
Im the same. For some games I would like faster loading times but that's it. Did you know next week they will release Jedi Survivor for the PS4?
PS4 was the point where graphics became 'good enough.' Obviously it's only one generation ago but if you play the better PS4 games most of them look great even now. You don't find square circles or vomit for textures around every corner. PS1 visuals quickly aged, PS2 was not HD, PS3 had really dodgy framerates and sub 720p resolutions but then along comes PS4 and nearly everything is native 1080p with solid frame rates. For the most part the games hold up on a modern TV and the resolution is enough.
Agreed. If you even go back to Killzone shadow fall, one of the first games on ps4, it still looks pretty dang good graphically by today’s standards
I'd argue the low dynamic res isn't ideal, but in terms of general graphical detail you're probably right
Think you summed it up well.
Graphics became good enough with the Xbox 360
@@drakescakes5629or even Driveclub and especially Uncharted 4… dang!
Refusing to die is a new and exciting way to say, the PS5 matters to no one.
I can only imagine if the PS4 was backwards compatible with the PS1, PS2 & PS3, how much more popular & valuable it would be. Things are expensive due to so many reasons, gamers will ALWAYS crave value & a large game library in any console generation! 🎮 🤓
Why would a developer not make their game playable on PS4 & PS5 if the game does not need the power of the PS5.
Either takes too much money to port to ps4 for what it's worth, or it can't work on a hdd. Or in some cases games are made to sell hardware
None do. Game development stagnated a long time ago.
@@harrychalcraft9711 i wonder how the ps4 would run the baldurs gate segment where a cpu 4x more powerful at least drops under 30 fps. Or how it'd handle spiderman 2's traversal. Or any raytracing at all. Or nanite
Sony simply wouldn't allow it especially that we are in the middle of ps5's life cycle, this helps ps5 sales by limiting the number of new games that are coming to ps4 even though the system is still fairly capable
100% Agree, specially when PS4 games runs flawless on PS5. For example MvC Collectio.
Why won't PS4 die? Because rent is $2000 a month and eggs are $15 a dozen.
if you want to game on the cheap buy a cheap used pc and pirate your games, jailbreak your your console and pirate. i dont know if buying expensive games for the ps4 is that much better then a ps5 or series.
Not sure where you live but I can get a dozen good eggs for the equivalent of $8 here in England.
I think the shop you are buying your eggs from is ripping you off
California sounds terrible.
@@dmer-zy3rb umm... If you only play FIFA, I don't understand a reason why buy a headache when all you are looking for is to relax on your TV, after long day at work, and you don't have time after a work day to open windows , run steam, open game, download piratable version and try jailbreaking it for hours, always being afraid of crashing windows and steam, formatting drive in case of any viruses, and once it runs fiddle around with settings for 2 hours to get a perfect 30/60 fps rather than pressing one button and enjoying the game immediately with a box that works every time you turn it on.
Also in case of GTA online be a bCh to all the hackers and modders on the PC side
@@corinful 8$????? for 12 eggs??
and i thought the price increase from 1.50 euro to 2.50 euro was a lot here in the netherlands
but damn you are being robbed
This is an economics and common sense thing:
1) Only the biggest budget games really push current-gen hardware to its limits, smaller ones don't need the horsepower
2) Said big games take too long to develop and aren't made in large quantities
3) Like you mentioned, a bunch of games run "just fine" for many consumers
This is maybe a sign that we've reached the point where gaming tech has been perfected and further improvements cater to the small enthusiast crowd, the tech makers' bottom lines, and developers wanting better tools to make their jobs easier. Most people can't tell the difference or are happy with what they've got.
Yes, it feels like the PS5 is the UHD of Blurays. Sure it's better than normal Blurays but for a lot of people BD or streaming is enough.
@@kunka592 There is always that GTA 6 though,curious about how much that will move the needle
@@internetera1523 will finally buy a PS5 for that, actually
@@internetera1523 that will certainly be the PS5 seller
yep, I definitely fall into the group of people that's happy with my PS4 and enjoying playing the games that I haven't gotten to from that generation because there are just so many games that are great, and the big-budget games that push the consoles to the limits don't come out as often any more. like, I'm playing Psychonauts 2 and AC Chronicles right now. I still have a 1080p TV from 2012, and yeah, they look good enough on it - often much better than that. I'll switch eventually (I'd like to play the Rift Apart, the Forbidden West DLC and AC Shadows), but I'm not in a rush and the second-hand PS5 market is still fairly expensive. I can afford it, I just don't want to pay that much to play games.
Diminishing returns. There has never been such a pointless generation upgrade. PS6 will be even MORE pointless.
One major other factor is that the console was basically unavailable at a reasonable price for the first two years. People have gotten used to not owning a ps5. Atleast, that is the case for me
Once gta6 releases, i feel a huge chunk of people that still use last gen will upgrade.
Nope, theres a gme for ps5 like stellar blade, star war jedi, spiderman 2 and etc. But most people still using ps4, i think theproblem is ps5 launch to early. 2020 is covid years and most people dont care about new generations.
@@adinnafalah2521None of those games have the appeal of a GTA.
I think another big factor is that the PS5 is fully backward compatible with the PS4. For indie developers, there is no real benefit to releasing solely on PS5 as you're cutting out a significant audience from your game. You can make a PS4 version and it will even benefit from the PS5 due to that console's backward compatibility features.
And then there's Animal Well that only launched to the PS5, while having a version for the Switch.
It must have been a deal with Sony for that, because I can't believe this decision
Also developing on PS4 is easier, as it's older tech that has been studied for longer now.
@@rony_rst yep exactly what I was about to say. very mad at videogamedunkey for not releasing it on PS4 when there's a Switch release... Must be a specific deal because I can't understand it otherwise
And not even just indies. Square Enix released their Final Fantasy Pixel Remaster collection on PS4, not PS5. Why? Because these are 2D games that already run perfectly well on PS4, in 4K, with all bells and whistles. These games don't have any use for haptic feedback, SSD or anything, there would be exactly zero improvement to be made on a native PS5 port. So they didn't. And the players mostly don't see a reason to complain, quite the contrary, since it allows both PS4 and PS5 owners to enjoy it.
There's just not so many games that clearly have a need or even a desire to push for the extra power of the PS5 outside the AAA field.
@@rony_rst same with dragon quest 3 hd 2d on switch but not on PS4.
The main reason is the price tag, not everyone can afford a 599$ console, especially in this rough times
Especially poor people
Not even $599 it's the same price as the 4. 🤷♂️
Life is too expensive rn to be spending $500 on a game console
The price is ok but there is simply no reason to buy it. Not enough high quality exclusive games.
500 every 7 years is not alot of money, well should not be for an American lol
@@nameless.0190 fr. Most of these people are from US and see them complain the most while they have far more money WHILE having lower prices
@@rogoznicafc9672 they're using that money for healhcare lol
@@nameless.0190 let's see you build a PC for 500 hundred dollars
No single player exclusive AAA on PS5 except for GOW2, Spider Man 2 and Returnal. No significant price cuts, expencive to upgrade the storage, and since PSVR2 hasn’t taken of for the lack of first party games and was to expensive - people just don’s see the need to upgrade when most games still come out on ps4 and it has a massive game library!
You forget GoW Ragnarok also came out on PS4.
@@led-0185 so only two then..
the new gow are absolute dogshit next to the one ones, returnal is just a shmup in third person when you think about it
Gears of War 2, 1-3 would be FIRE on PS5
Final fantasy 7 rebirth and ff16 stomp those games
This is the least significant generational leap in the history of video game consoles, combine that with the fact that there has been no price decrease and it makes perfect sense. If they want to continue selling new consoles they're going to have to have a much bigger generational leap next time around. I thought I was a graphics snob and even I can't tell the difference between a PS4 and a PS5 game.
Or might need to go sideways instead of going up
Same reason PS2 dragged on forever. It was a great console with a great library and lots of casuals and broke people can't justify the upgrade cost for their gaming needs. I think we really overestimate the economic impact of hardcore and high income players. This is also why so much revenue is going to mobile games as well compared to consoles.
Exactly this. We overestimate the impact of hardcore, enthusiast users and I'll add that we underestimate the effects of inflation on average normal buyers. Keeping in mind that the hikes from inflation during Covid didn't disappear. Yes, the RATE of inflation went down, but the pre-Covid pricing never returned, so unsurprisingly most didn't have the luxury of "just getting over it".
@@desmondbrown5508I just have say though, as I did on another comment, that corporations have been proven to use "inflation" as a flimsy pretext to raise their prices above and well beyond what could be accounted for by inflation alone...and keep them there. It's mostly corporate greed.
I always laugh at the people in PC gaming forums etc. who have this myopic delusion that "everyone" is using a higher-end GPU/CPU etc. when in reality that's far from the truth. And then these same people complain in forums when some niche hardware technology that only accounts for a few percent of the market isn't utilized by every game.
Not to mention how expensive games can be in other regions outside of the U.S., Europe and Japan. I'm from Latin America and people kept playing with their PS2s for many more years, you can even find some interesting mods for games such as FIFA to this day. The Xbox 360 was also pretty popular and a friend of mine kept playing with it until 2018 or 2019. I think that's also a reason why Famiclones or SEGA Mega Drive clones are still getting made to this day
@@yellowblanka6058you clearly don't understand what inflation is
Ps4 is 1080p full hd . It still looks good and games still being made for ps4
And the Pro (I have) has 2160p 4K and basically is a PS5 yet is cheaper.
& that's why ps4 pro is dumb because it makes the next gen consoles seem like a less impressmaking ive making sony is still thinking of making a ps5 pro@apostateunion
I want to ask a question does the fifa 2025 will release in ps4
@@Haithemenglish I bet it probably will. Fifa games are usually among the last releases for a console out of all software
Yes I still play ps4, loading times are abit slow but apart from that it is still entertaining
It's not that the PS4 refuses to die. It's just the PS5 refuses to make sense and justify being purchased. Aside from some graphical fancy, I can play most of the new games on PS4 Pro. Curiously enough, no one says the same about the Switch and it's still selling well.
if switch was console only it wouldnt have half the sales it does, cant compare them.
Part of the reason for this is that Switch and Switch2 aren't overlapping yet in their lifecycles with software releasing on both. But if Nintendo and 3rd party do try to tap into the enormous Switch1 install base years after Switch 2 releases you will see those comments.
I won't be surprised if PS5 and ps6 have the same relationship that PS4 and 5 do in that regard
@@stonerdemon I mean all the games except bloodborne play better. That's a huge reason right there. Also, Returnal, Ratchet and Clank and God of War: Ragnarok. Just because your elitist mind can't find a reason doesn't mean anything. I personally have a hundred reasons.
The PS5 is selling well too. Launch aligned it's just behind the PS4, despite being almost impossible to buy for the first two years.
The thing is… the graphics from the PS4/Xbox1 gen are similar to the current gen of systems. The PS5/Xbox Series consoles are impressive. But really only offer better frame rates, faster loading, and higher resolutions than what we had before.
As someone who bought a PS5 at launch, almost 4 years later, there has yet been a great reason to justify said purchase 😅
In my case buying a PS5 was about having a quiet machine and a smooth UI. Now, after three years, my PS5 is starting to make noise as I have seriously neglected dusting it. The UI is as smooth as ever, but my first DualSense's stick drift is getting worse and worse. I can still manage it, but it's starting to get on my nerves. My PS3 & PS4 controllers don't have any stick drift. It took about two years for my DualSense to start drifting.
I'm still on PS4 and have a large backlog of games to play that run well enough on the PS4, so I don't feel the urge to upgrade to a PS5 yet, if at all. I could hold out for the PS6 at this rate.
That's cheap tbh
Also the PS5 looks so ugly to me that I don’t really want this thing in my room 😂
This is my plan as well
In my opinion, there haven't been enough true next gen games created to make enough people want to buy PS5/Xbox Series consoles. Almost every game that comes out is cross generation, which means they were created with the limitations of the old consoles in mind. So why even buy a new console if the games are still coming out on the old ones.
Because the new console plays those games better.
It’s just that your average consumer hasn’t had that difference in quality drilled into them thanks to poor marketing.
@@aegisleague4053 and the pc will run those games even better!!!
@@aegisleague4053yeah, but why can't Devs just you.....know sort of indirectly get people stuck on PS4 onto ps5 with new proper games, i own a ps5, I used to own a PS4. I find it a little strange (not shocked) that a lot of people are sticking with their PS4 consoles while also at the same time millions are purchasing ps5 consoles. It's a very weird conundrum Sony is in at the moment
@@talison461🙄
@@talison461 If they have good PC ports and you have a good PC, sure.
Ps4 has the most complete library next to Switch. And PS5 wasn’t the generational leap that was promised.
PS5 just hasn't been justifiable for the most part because most games are cross gen between PS4 and PS5 and doesn't have much more to offer over PS4 for $500. Loading times and performance overall are a noticeable improvement but it doesn't have much more going for it besides that.
@@supersmashmaster43with this economy , budgets and how long games take , they probably started on the ps4 version in 2019 and had to port over a ps5 version
Series S has the blame, is the bottleneck of the generation.
ps5 is a generational leap its just that developers are lazy and or dont want to leave behind the ps4 because of the large base. Also, developers these days have no imagination, everything looks the same and games as a service is just a cash grab. the passion is gone with most of these development companies.
@@JoeW-e6bohh, yes. The old "developers are lazy" argument. The people that say this usually have no idea of what it takes to code a game or anything else for that matter.
It’s an awesome machine, that’s why.
People are broke, and PS4 have an extensive library...that's all
I'd say it's because gaming on the PS4 is good enough. Casual gamers don't care about hardware power like hardcore gamers. The games still look good enough.
I don't think it's anything special about the PS4 hardware. It's due to the state of the tech. People already looked like people in last gen games. Graphics already looked good enough. Just look how many people are playing Switch and mobile games.
If they want to get people to migrate then they have to make games people want to play, not simply look at.
Yeah, it's definitely nothing special about the PS4 tech, because that 8-core jaguar is terrible 😂
But Sony did a great job with APIs to get amazing results out of it. Imagine what PC gaming would be I cards would get the same optimisations the PS4 got.
One game
I don’t know why
I bought a PS5 with no games to buy
It starts with
Keep that in mind
They designed this drive
To improve loading times
That's all I know
I got a buncha games on my PS5 but I have a ton for my PS4 so comments like this are just silly. PS4 to PS5 isn't like the difference from PS3 to PS4 in terms of games and quality, so there's little need to upgrade - plus there are PS4 ports of current gen games (without current gen features). But the PS5 still has a lot of titles that aren't on PS4. I can see both sides of the argument for "You should upgrade" and "why bother upgrading".
@@robbieburns3564you must be fun at parties.
I got a PS5 because I wanted PS4 games without the PS4 and Pro limitations.
I have a PS4 Pro with about 40 games I haven't even started, and several more I want to get. As long as the bastard continues to work, I am more than happy to stick with it.
People talk about PS5 as if it’s somehow not selling well, but at the same point in its life it is roughly even with the PS4. Game consoles sell over a period of time, PS4 didn’t hit 100 million until nearly 6 years into its life and surpassed 60 million the same month the PS4 did aligned for their respective releases.
Face it man it won't die because most people genuinely don't care about graphics just prefer good games rather than graphics
If nobody cared about graphics, we would all still be playing on our Atari 2600s.
@@mikemayo4812 He didn't mean literally. Graphics have basically gotten as good as they need to be for virtually all game play/immersion uses.
@@mikemayo4812bro specs ops the line 2012 is the best graphics game for me it is better than all cod and Sniper elite games. Moh warfighter 2012 is better than Anthem and Counter strike 2.
i'd imagine the current generation isn't really providing much for most casual players. in previous generations the boost in power caused new games to need entire separate versions in order to be playable on previous gen systems. these days it's much more feasible to lower the resolution and a handful of settings and just plop out a version for the previous gen (def simplifying of course but you get the point). as such, settling for less doesn't feel like a very impactful settlement anymore, since you'll still be getting a very solid experience where, let's be real, most casual players can hardly notice the cutbacks anyway
@@gothpunkboy89 It's a little of both, but I tend to agree with you...just like the people driving Dodge Neons would probably like a new car, doesn't mean the Dodge Neon gives them all the driving performance they need/want. It should be noted, at least in terms of corporate pricing, "inflation" doesn't factor into their grossly increased prices, they've priced things way beyond what could be accounted for by inflation alone, it's just pure greed.
My co workers don't even own any gaming systems 😢 I'm the only one playing games anymore. They all say they loves games they just don't have the money and time. It's definitely a generation thing not just PS4/PS5
@@jasonnesbit7494 Maybe they do, and the stigma that "games are for children/teens" means they just claim they don't. I do roll my eyes at people who say they don't have the "money and time" for a certain hobby and then blow money on expensive drinks, car stereos etc. and spend all their free time scrolling social media....they could easily play video-games, they just don't like them, no need to be dishonest about it.
@@yellowblanka6058you not wrong
people are easily influenced by social stigma no matter what generation
we care so much about what other think
@@716_ハディくん And it used to be when you aged a little beyond your teenage years, got a little life experience and figured out who you were you stopped caring as much and just enjoyed the things you enjoyed, but it looks like that age has been pushed WAY out and everybody is over-obsessed about social media. It's a dire mental health crisis that is already having repercussions.
1. No new interesting games on PS5 for even some "hardcore" players
I'm not interested in the directions Spider-Man 2 and Ratchet & Clank went, Demon's Souls altered the art direction in a way I wasn't into, FF16 wasn't fantastic, ect. These long development times also mean many new games are years away and many franchises lay dormant. Astro and Monster Hunter Rise are what's eventually going to force me forward but it's taken awhile.
2. New games still on current hardware
Title, though I admit knowing the games perform better on newer hardware (fps) means I'm unlikely to purchase them at all in some strange way, especially knowing I won't be entitled to the PS5 version later.
3. VS PC and Steam
Most of my friends have jumped ship from consoles or are looking to make the switch as Steam has cheaper prices, free online, and many exclusive hit indie titles such as Lethal Company and Content Warning. I'm looking to do the same as getting charged to play Halo online a few times a month is starting to feel like the game I bought is being held hostage. I PAID for this already. With missing titles from PC I can't play new games, and even with crossplay if I play Monster Hunter my progress will be locked to a platform with a subscription fee even if I get a PC later. The console is feeling restrictive.
4. Ow my wallet
I'm Canadian. I can't speak for other people's situations but I don't have the money to spend on a $700 box AND $90 games AND $80 contollers AND $15 a month subscription fees. Even minimum wage jobs are scarce here too. Entertainment is taking a step back as the financial noose tightens.
PS5 and the Series X has gotten increasingly more expensive over the years. It went from 500 to 550. You would expect after 4 years price will go down, but instead it goes up and up. So I won't be surprised if goes up to 599 by next year.
No idea what you are talking about, used PS5s with optical drive are in 300-ish range now. Discs are cheaper than ever, even Helldivers 2 can already be bought for ~25 euros.
I wish PS Plus would be cheaper tho.
@@intensifiedhipster Not where I live. Even used its around 450-500. Unless the system has issue's or sold for parts only. That's as low as it gets.
same in germany, 450 for discless and 520-550 for disc ps5 in basically every big electronics shop.
My ps4 pro I bought back then for 200€ on ebay. Now for ps5 they still want 400+ for discless on ebay if the console doesnt look like it comes right from a battlefield.
@WhoCaresGamingIsDeadThx2AI What does trump have to do with console prices?
Plus I don't even live in the US.
the ps3 was $599 when it came out in 2006, and now Ps5 pro will be $699. This will make ps5 sell way less! IMO xbox and switch will sell more in 2025
honestly too PS4 is peak gaming we dont need more than 1080p looks sharp and enough, i dont want to pin point textures and look at the screen for more details i just wanna play the "GAMEPLAY" its not a movie its a game, i think the ps4 well still be alive for another 10 years.
Sony killing off all my favorite Playstation exclusive franchises is my main reason.
Wipeout. Motorstorm. LBP. Infamous. Just to name a few.
SOCOM...
Resistance, Killzone, Sly Cooper, Jak and Daxter, Driveclub, The Order, Knack... :(
I bought my PS4 during the $200 Black Friday 2018 sale and it's been awesome. I only play single player games on PS4 (as I also have a gaming PC with a 5600 and a 2070 Super) and I haven't felt compelled to buy a PS5 at all. There just haven't been any games that I was so excited to play that I felt the need to go and drop $500 on a new console to play them right away. I'm happy to either wait until the PS5 drops to $300 or to just wait until those games come to PC, since my PC seems to be still happily chugging along and can typically give me roughly PS5-level performance anyway.
£259 for 500GB at Argos for a PS4 vs. £479 for PS5. Interestingly their page says: 'back in stock.' Budget is definitely a driving force here.
Just save the money until you have enough.
Whoever buys that £259 PS4 500gb over a brand new series s 512gb is out of their mind.
@@gamingedition5165 and how does the series s play the sony games?
@@gamingedition5165Unless they have a PS4 library already and don't like anything Xbox has to offer. Nobody is trying to play Starfield and Redfall. Ffs they just lost another AAA game with Wukong and lost out on months of the BG3 hype.
I'd probably take the ps4, it has a disk drive, if I am making an economical purchase I want access to 2nd hand games.
Its really quite simple, this gen has been full of remakes and remasters... Theres no need to upgrade to play a slightly shinier version of a game you've got.
This gen peaked with Returnal. 😄
Exactly. Most of the originals on the current generation's predecessors still look great on older generation systems, giving people fewer reasons to spend extra money upgrading to current generation platforms, let alone purchasing these remakes and remasters.
Ps4 will never die. Most of the 50 million people who are on ps4 will be still be on ps4 even after ps6 releases in 2028/29. There is little difference between the ps4 and ps5 on most comparison videos. 30fps is enough for most games. There is no need to get a ps5 or ps5 pro except to play the few exclusives.
PS4 as baseline gaming tech for 10 years, what a run
I bought the PS5 only so that I can play PS4 games as they should be played. So many great PS4 titles suffer from unstable frame rates and low frame rates. With PS5 you can achieve a locked 60FPS pretty much in most PS4 games.
Except Bloodborne for some reason, from what I've heard.
Well often a locked 30fps if they never got patched for 9th gen
@@Calvin_Coolage
I presume that there will be a PS5 version albeit a paid for update
Primary reason Im looking to buy a PS5, better performance on older games. I want to play RDR2 and the Witcher on 60fps.
@@jirehpsalmpaule6077well thats never going to happen because rockstar rarely remasters their older games
The fact of the matter is that the difference between ps4 and ps5 is not worth £400+
I barely play AAA games, so everything I want to play has still been releasing on PS4. And since most of them are being designed to run on the Switch, the PS4 version is good. At the moment, I don't see a reason to buy a PS5 until either Kingdom Hearts IV or Prince of Persia: The Sands of Time Remake release, meaning not before 2026.
it’s crazy how the price of the ps5 went up instead of down in so many places
I havent even touched half of my PS4 backlog, ppl lives are busy and I'm happy to stick to my brick thank you very much
DF: Why does PS4 refuse to die?
PS3 players:
I have a PS5 and all I play on it are my PS4 games.
When eating at Burger King is 40$ for a family buying a new console doesn't make sense
Burger King is only $40 for a family still?
It's getting out of hand last time I went I paid 45$ for 4 combos and a sundae
That’s some responsible parenting there
@@Amonkai I ran into a homeless lady once when leaving my restaurant job a decade ago. I bought her a meal and kids meals for her kids, fed the whole family of 4 on $20. Can't do that now.
It would be fine if wages weren't stuck in 1998 . By purchasing power the minimum wage should be close to 30$/h. If in 1998 you made 100k right now you would need to make nearly 400k to be able to afford the same
Again, why on earth would I spend $600+ to play mostly the same games I can already play on my PS4. Makes no sense!
Another reason that it took so long for PS5 to actually be available to the average person
Here's a similar question. Why do so many gamers still use a GTX 1650 graphics card?
Not everyone has money for the best GPUs on the market, which typically cost as much as console if not more than double. The nice part about PC is you get the options to drop to potato settings on every title, so you can play whatever title comes along majority of the time.
Because if all you're playing is fortnite or stardew valley you don't need to upgrade
Because most gamers are poor and brown.
Pascal cards* you misspelled pascal cards. Even tho 3 years apart from ps4 so ps4 still kinda wins. Not a console gamer just lightly trolling
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 I know the reason. The same goes for why people still have a PS4. That's my point here.
I'm playing Horizon Forbidden West on my PS4 slim and it looks absolutely stunning the developers have pulled off a mirical, but I am playing it on a 24 inch 1080p tv so it looks razor sharp no need to upgrade yet
Too bad Sony is removing it from ps extra in the next month.
The worst thing about this is the 30 FPS. PS5 has 60 FPS mode.
@@ohwow2074 The frame rate doesn't bother me at all, a lot of people say 30fps is a deal/game breaker it's not it's fine
@@stevenwoods8330 I know. But I would pay $400 for more FPS. However $500 is too much.
Dlc is ps5 only is it not
As a PS5 user myself, it's perfectly understandable why so many PS4 users who can afford a PS5 without problems are just simply refusing to do so.
The PS5 has a very miniscule library worth of exclusive games for that particular console as most of the popular titles for PlayStation already have a PS4 version and THAT convinces people to believe upgrading from the PS4 to the PS5 is nothing but a pointless waste of money and just purchasing the PS4 versions for their favorite titles is a huge money saver.
And the reason game devs are still releasing ps4 versions is because the ps4 has a larger install base than the ps5.
In theory it'd be quite easy to never upgrade on either side if it remains profitable to make and sell games for the ps4.
Lmao didn’t they say we were going to get the ps6 in a couple years ? At this point ur getting ps6 games on the ps4
Exactly.
- Still receiving 50~60% of dev/publisher support - cross gen releases, updates, DLCs and ports.
- Full support from Sony for the Classic (PS1, PS2, PSP) releases.
- An extremely rich library only behind the Switch and PS2.
- The vast majority of the multiplats are actually very decent unlike the Switch.
It's the ultimate "plug and play" box... and it's cheap. I can literally go out today, buy a PS4 game released this year and have hours of content. Meanwhile the PS5 has a very gimped library to this day and the only benefits I would get from it is slightly better graphics and higher framerate... oh, and access to a few decent non-cross gen games. It's just not worth spending 550€ on something like that so I'm sticking with the PS4 Pro.
@@Manic_Panic Not to mention, a massive handful of titles you can get for the PS5 are remakes and remasters of titles released during the era of its predecessors. That also won't convince a large chunk of the PlayStation userbase to spend more money to replace their PS4 with a PS5. Especially when most of the original versions of remakes and remastered versions on PS5 already look perfectly fine for what it is on the PS5's predecessors (PS4, PS3, etc.)
because PS5 costs $800 in Australia when PS4 launched at $550 and progressively got cheaper... PS5 launched at $700 and 4 years on its only gotten more expensive. I don't have the money to justify such an expensive console.
What alex said is completelly flawed. First of all, that doesn't explain why this only happened this generation, the casual crowd of fifa and cod players always existed. Second, it doesn't explain why first party core titles like god of war and horizon are still made for PS4. Just to appease the "fifa people"? This is just ridiculous. The main reason why ps4 refuses to die is because the launch of the ps5 was a disaster, and the console itself and it's first party lineup is a disaster compared to ps4. Having slightly better graphics is not yhe most important thing. Ps5 is a disaster on so many levels including games line up, price and availability, DRM, going live service, lying from the start about the capabilities of the system and how games would be developed. Yeah.. no wonder a huge part of the core base choose to stick with the ps4 and they will keep doing that untill Sony get their sh*t together, or probably they will just move to PC eventually since it seems Sony is not al all happy with their PS5 since they pretty much started not only making the games to be cros gen, but also porting them to PC. This is basically an admission that their console is nothing "next gen" and it can't carry them forward as they would've thought.
I still use my PS3
✨jailbreak✨
@@dmer-zy3rb tbh both my PS3 and PS4 are jailbroken
@@ijnfrt yeah my ps3 is too got a filled up 1tb SSD in that bad boy!
I still use my Wii U
@@SterkeYerke5555 Just got one for the first time a few months ago, great console!
In my experience, the opposite of this is true. More casual players I know assume they should upgrade to the PS5, but more hardcore ones skip it. They have enough games elsewhere to tide them over this entire generation and the PS5 doesn’t offer many new experiences that aren’t also on PS4.
This channel being so focused on technical performance, it’s easy to forget that lots of people don’t actually care about that stuff. And for them, the PS5 doesn’t offer much over the PS4 and doesn’t justify a $500 purchase.
I still play old systems all the time. However between PS4 and PS5 at least on PS4 I can put my save file on a USB drive while PS5 forces you to use the cloud to back up a save.
Because Sony refuse to kill it, if they keep giving people incentives to stick to this platform since there are no PS5 games and big exclusives that demonstrate a generational leap, why would they move?
Videogames aren't seen as that new and exciting machine as it was back in the 90s and 2000s. Now it's so common that people see it as an appliance just like the TV or their sound system.
And as Alex said, as long as it runs the current popular multiplayer games like Fortnite or EA FC, most regular people won't even think about moving to a new platform.
Because they screwed up the PS5 launch with scalpers during a pandemic and jacked up prices since.
True.
its simple, people dont want to fork out $$$ for another console every five years or so.
People fork out $$$ for the new iPhone every year.
@@mikemayo4812 not the smart ones.
The reasons:
Graphics have not improved enough.
Most games still realse on last gen.
There are not enough new exclusive games.
The economy is horrible.
Everybody is broke
Our teeth are rotting out of our skulls
With the events of the past 5 years, even a $400 ps5 would have struggled to replace ps4
Theres a sea of old games to explore.
I don't own any console but I hope the PS4 lasts as long as humanly possible because its mere presence in the market forces devs to optimize their games to run on lesser hardware which in turn slows down the ballooning minimum requirements for PC games
Meh. I have an rtx 3070. I'm safe until Next Generation consoles arrive. It also helps to remember that PC gamers don't all switch to the latest and greatest, many use cheaper cards like the 3050ti, 3060, possibly a few 20xx or even 16xx series cards out there still. Most devs are done with building for PS4, it's just the stubborn fans trying not to budge on upgrading.
@@smittyvanjagermanjenson182 heh, I'm still using my rig from 2013 with a GTX 750 ti. Probably won't upgrade until it stops working since I accrued a ludicrously large backlog of games on Steam (around 5k) and will likely still be playing 2010's games in the 2030's.
I suspect many are in the same boat than me where moving on to newer games seems irresponsible, I blame how cheap bundles used to be years ago.
Ok the switch exists too, for that.But.... PC it's kind expected to NOT get that sweet dev optimization treatment like consoles like them do. Hogwarts legacy is a good example of this round table on PC hexagonal table on ps4 and square table on switch(or no table at all)
The PS5 is too expensive and $70 games are absolutely not worth it in a cost of living crisis.
I think there's many reasons why ps4 is still popular.
- ps5 is too expensive, chunky and with barely any exclusive games. None that compel me to buy a ps5.
- I waited for ps5 pro turns out it's not worth spending my money on it. And not going to buy a ps5 either if there are no worthy games.
- I grew up playing on sega genesis and windows 95 so while I do enjoy great graphics, I'm not obsessed with the latest greatest graphics improvements. I just want to enjoy a nice game. I still play on my ps2 from time to time.
- ps4 graphics are still very good. Despite ps5 graphics improvements.
- most people don't buy every new console that drops. I didn't get a ps3 when it was released I was still playing many ps2 games I also bought a ps2 slim and just bought a ps4 pro when it launched.
Ps5 games are too long to be developed because its too complicated to make aaa games now. So its too long and boring
They shoud go back to smaller projects
One major thing that put me off and made me hold back (aside from the ridiculous price) was when I realized the early games announced on PS5 like Oddworld Soulstorm and Spider-Man: Miles Morales, were also coming out on PS4. So instead of me thinking like the mainstream way and be like - "okay it's time for me to upgrade." I was like, erm, no I'm just gonna get those games on my PS4 and carry on with that console until the PS5 finally goes down in price.
The PS4 might stop "refusing to die" if the PS5 stopped refusing to justify its existence. Faster loading times and 60 fps frameratr are awesome but you gotta have GAMES that make people want to upgrade. If most of your potential PS5 hits are also sold on the PS4, what's the point of moving to the PS5?
Om top of the popular livr service mp games still supported. A large roster of top tier single player games than many people want/own to but haven't played. Many of them looking fantastic for their age.
Infamous Second Son
Uncharted 4
Last of Us 2
Ghost of Tsushima
God of War
God of War Ragnarok
Horizon Zero Dawn
Horizon Forbidden West
Elden Ring*
Spiderman
Shadow of the Colossus
Bloodborne
FF7 Remake
Days Gone
Death Stranding
Red Dead 2
Detroit Become Human
Persona 5
It still works yeah, got my final fantasy 7 remake on it still
My brother had the luxury of getting himself a PS5 day one but seeing a lot of games are still on PS4, he never did upgrade. All PS4 games were playable and fine. Nothing to really upgrade. Only reason he has a PS5 now is because he got it as a surprise for his bday. Honestly, i would have kept my PS4 too knowing so many games are still supported.
This is how I feel about DVD. We’ve had blu-ray for almost 20 years. DVD should have long been buried.
Recently bought a ps5 and the only notable difference is the much quieter fan. Apart from that, the graphics are ever so slightly better but I think we are getting to the point where graphics have hit a wall and it’s hard to improve on them, unlike previous generations. The ps4 graphics are good enough IMO and the upgrade for some is probably not worth it when the ps5 is nearly £500.
Not enough..." Must have " games are out for the ps5.... this generation is the worst in gaming history
Except for Switch owners. 😊
It just isn’t worth it for the vast majority of consumers to upgrade when the price of living is increasing, many PS4 players are probably getting older and starting families with less free time/money to spare, and they can still play the games they want. Until GTA6 comes out and is PS5/Series exclusive or CoD and Fortnite will no longer receive updates, the vast majority of consumers aren’t going to jump over. But by the time they do want to jump over, the PS6 will probably be out.
The PS5 games that I want to play are all coming out on PC. I've no need to buy the console this generation.
I agree. I just wait for the PC ports of PS games at this point, and I wait for them to go on steep discount.
My mother literally just wants to play the Kingdom Hearts HD collection. Told her get a used ps4 slim for $199. Games were just $60 and for the price of just under $300 my mom gets to have 300+ hours of fun across 9 collected games.
She’s a gamer, but she doesn’t need the newest stuff just because it looks better. I’m keeping my PS5 slim until PS6
No console should die, everyone has the right to continue enjoying video games and no one should be forced to change consoles. (and I mean closing digital stores) is one reason that many people use PCs
No reason to spend the money on a new console when I already have a console that plays all the games. Besides, the games are going to come out on PC anyway so what's the point?
Ps4 doesn't play all the games
@WarCrab-009SS It doesn't play all games stop being cheap
@@kenroyforrester156 It doesn't play the latest PS5 games which are mostly shit, wanna play Concord? Returnal? No? I knew it
I used to have an Xbox One from November 2019 to March 2023 until I was able to afford to buy an Xbox Series X [mortgage and bills made it hard].
Maybe they can't afford to get a PS5 because of rent/mortgage/bills, and it's perfectly understandable.
Exactly.
Many don’t have 4K TV and then PS4 is ok. And today’s hardware upgrades are so small so it’s sometimes only pro gamers who can see the difference.
My kids have two PC one with AMD Ryzen 2700 and RX480 GPU the other have newer Intel CPU and RTX 3070ti both use 1080 displays and I can hardly see difference when they play Fortnite, so why spend 1200$ to upgrade tho old PC when kids not complain. Same with PS4 why upgrade to PS5 when my old PS4 Pro works perfectly for Fortnite, GTA online and FIFA
I got PS4 Slim free with telly in 2020. And many digital games are very cheap...honestly, I only need a couple good games to rotate and occasionally add a new one. My bigest investment were 2 additional gamepads and couple relatively expensive (new TLOU2...) disc games at the beginning before I realised I was team digital.😁
Games are still releasing on ps4. It's also cheaper and better suited to the majority of the population in an economic shitshow.
PS4 to PS5 was also an imperceptible jump to those who don't have a PS5 because a big part of this gen is that games just run much better - even older games (which is actually an incredible feature and could potentially blow up more with the proand PSSR). And the controller. It's wild and probably the biggest step forward in tech this gen. But if you're on a budget and can still get 95% of the games on PS4, it's not enough of a reason to upgrade. The games would be the reason, if they were unavailable like previous gens. It's been a weird gen for sure. But anyone who says there are no PS5 games is simply crying because the games are also available on other platforms. I have such a backlog. There's so many games. And they are most often a pretty big jump from the PS4 versions. Spider-Man at launch was a great example.
I'm lucky and privileged to have a ps5 and the option to get the pro at launch if I want, but a lot of people I know with families to feed and limited budgets have a very different perspective. I gave my PS4 pro to a friend and he can still play with me for most games, and gets a pretty great experience with a still powerful enough console that runs new games.
Sony is clearly aiming for the early adopters and high income crowd, and is so arrogant they're selling it in pieces, to make even more, and push people toward digital only, knowing it will piss everyone off and still sell out, making them some quick millions and converting even more people to digital only.
They removed the PS4 pro from the market thinking it'd force people onto the PS5 and instead people are just buying PS4 slims still or getting pros off ebay, people don't have $600 to drop on a system right now when $110 on ebay for a pro gets essentially the same experience
Short answer: the jump to this current generation of console is so pathetic that it's not worth it, especially at $500
1tb ssd when 1tb was given a decade ago when file sizes were smaller? That's just being cheap. Digital only consoles getting pushed on us so we surrender ownership of the games we buy? We see the effects of that. Hardly any new features if any at all...Seriously, what can they do?
Last gen could've easily lasted another decade, but we gotta distract from the fact that the game devs of today suck at their job and none of these (minor) differences is going to compensate for that
Future AAA games isn't entertaining anymore. Contents had shrinked for the high price we pay for it
I have a PS4. Then the Apocalypse hit and it was impossible to find a PS5. As time went on, I realized that it wasnt worth it to upgrade. And im not upgrading when the games for PS4 are still there and play quite well. I don't care about 4k 60 fps. I care about fun games that run well. PS4 is good enough.
I'm on PS4. What works for me is my Ps plus subscription which gives me access to a wide range of games for a relatively cheap price. Then there's the classics that get added every month. I'm not fussed about load times and graphics. If the game's fun then Ill play it, and there's loads of fun titles out there on ps plus that Im yet to try...so no PS5 anytime soon for me