@nervoussips2622 which makes all the sense in the world that Cody will finish it at Mania. If he loses, he is done, this finish the story thing will be such a fail and meme material, a story that never ends
That “Damien should cash in on Cody” take would’ve been the ultimate Vince move where they think it would get massive heat on Priest but instead it would just making everyone furious at WWE for booking it 😂
I really truly believe that the reason Roman hasn’t been a big player in the story with Cody heading into Mania is purposeful I think the point is for it to feel like the Rocks taking away Roman’s shine and his spotlight and that’s how their feud will start and it’ll build off of Roman’s paranoia and anger and he’ll blame the Rock as the reason he’s lost the title
This is obviously the point. The Rock taking the attention away from Roman is how they're going to build to Rock vs. Roman. I can't understand how people don't see this. It seems really obvious.
I don't think we'd be getting this kind of more adult-leaning stuff if it weren't for The Rock and his stroke in the company, and the adult-leaning stuff is what has made this build so fun.
Hot Take: if you put Rock and Cena’s careers side by side, Cena clears and it’s not even a competition. Not talking about nostalgia, or any of that. Just looking at their careers objectively.
Hot take: a lot of Cornette's listeners (including me) are there for the history lesson. I listen for the territory stories, and an inside look at the Legends of the wrestling business.
As a cornette listener for 5 years..thebold history and territory stories aren't as good as him sh*tting on the modern product and doing reviews of things happening now. I'll still listen but just look at the youtube numbers. It's very telling what people want to hear.
Rock came in, screwed over WWE's plans. Forced them to pivot. Roman has been forgotten about.He goes overtime forcing segments to be cut. We get 30mins on average of Wrestling on 2/3 hour shows. Talent are complaining about double standards. _Nah, Hot Take has a point. And I completely agree._
@@lazypaladin One, I doubt anyone is complaining because it should be quite obvious, but in case it isn't: until that talent who is complaining draws as much over their career as Rock does, then WWE will let them monologue for 3 hours. But they haven't.
@nervoussips2622 That's fine to be upset by it. But I would say if your top drawing angle is getting a lot of time on TV, you'll end up making more money in the longterm. And about the swearing stuff, again, it's the Rock. Dakota Kai and Chad Gable don't have the pull to say "a**hole" and "suck my d***" but the Rock is the Rock. 🤷♂️
If your company's top salesperson takes a two hour lunch, but if you're on your third day and are entry level staff, they'll probably yell at you. That's just the way it is.
I think what makes Corny such a large voice is his experience inside the business. He has seen it change and is considered the old guard Disco and alot of the other talking heads had nowhere the run Jim did. Can Jim be considered off putting , yes. He is basically putting a lot of his gimmick in that show w his opinion. We all have opinions, it just doesn’t make them right. Even my opinion is just an opinion.
You guys have been consistently great as old timers (no offense im srry 🥺😭) who give constructive criticism. While i dont agree with everything you say about my favorite stuff I always feel like you give solid critique in a way that feels like you genuinely just want better for all the fans/performers. Shoutout to you two gentlemen ❤❤
Cornette is a hoot. You can agree or disagree with him, but he brings a lot of knowledge about the business. He wants wrestling to succeed, it's just his point of view is informed from the era he worked in (which was great). People who point to Cornette being down on wrestling are not paying close attention. He praises and criticizes based on his experience of what works and what doesn't work. I don't always agree with Jim, but I am grateful he is out there helping to make wrestling better.
Jim Cornette is the lowest known entity in the wrestling business. He never made it big in any of the major promotions and it eats him up inside. It is the reason, why he is bitter and angry and lashes out at the world. He only ever really understood the territories and wishes he could relive those days. There is nothing funny about that man. It is sad to watch him be the way he is and he is detrimental to the wrestling industry with his negativity.
@@HellaluyeahIs that so?. He was manager of the year a record number of times He managed the most highly respected heel team of the 80's. He ran his own promotion (Smoky Mountain), worked behind the scenes at WWE and TNA, and mentored some of the biggest talent of the 21st century at OVW (Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Batista). He is widely respected by the wrestlers and promoters he worked with. Nobody loves wrestling more than he does. People get their little feelings hurt because he speaks his mind.
@@zeeroheero If that is what love looks like to you, you have a strange definition of the word. Everytime I see him, he is just spewing negativity and hate. Isn't it ironic, that he got those manager of the year awards from another thing in wrestling, that he hates - PWI. The man has an abusive relationship with wrestling and you guys, who just repeat his "nobody loves wrestling more than him"-shtick are the enablers. Wrestling is his wife and he beats her regularly and you just watch.
@@zeeroheero If he's so respected and his ideas so great, then why did he never last in any promotion he worked in? Why has OVW been overhauled? Why has AEW outlasted Smoky Mountain? Why, in the hundreds of interviews the OVW 2002 class have given, has his name come up so infrequently? He either left or was fired from everywhere, either for being a belligerent prick, a PR nightmare or an oldhead with outdated ideas. Loads of wrestlers don't like him, bona fide main eventers and stadium show closers like Kevin Steen and Kenny Omega among them. Loads of people who watch and cover wrestling don't care for his opinions, and it's not because their feelings are hurt, it's because his opinions are rubbish and his ideas don't work. If they did, any self-respecting promoter would pay him a truckload to get him on the booking committee. And yet no one is, because his own attempts and promotion and booking didn’t do any wonders for anywhere.
For the old timers part, here's the thing with their tirades: Just because they don't like something doesn't mean the bookers are gonna change their styles just because they don't agree with it, like Disco for example. He can throw tantrums, kick, scream, whine, b*tch, and cry all he wants, it ain't gonna change anything. Same for the other ones as well.
Here is my prediction. The reason the rock is the centre of the build. Is because he is the final boss. When do you see the final boss? After you defeat the mini boss. So let me put it in the rock own words" I've got something to show you, and I think you're gonna like it. It's pretty cool" The Rock was told he could have the main event of wrestlemania 40. He was not told he had to have that main event against Roman reigns. After Cody Rhodes beats Roman reigns for the title. The final boss will come out, and say, Cody Rhodes, your first title defence will be right now against the final boss at wrestlemania 40 in the actual main event . And that's why it all centres around the rock.
Hot take: If Cody beats Reigns at WM40, his run will mirror DB run after WM30(DB vs the Authority). Lacklustre. As they’ve done everything to build Cody vs the Bloodline. But haven’t set up a SD challenger on the other side for Cody. Who’s this edition of Corporate Kane? (Side note: not saying he’s gonna get injured and vacate it)
It depends what they do with the us title. If logan keeps the belt Randy would be a perfect first challenger as codys old mentor who at first has a respectful rivalry with his former pupil that turns into a bitter blood feud. If logan loses at mania he should get a shot at cody asap. Also heel ko would also be awesome he has history with cody through the bloodline that could turn into a great story
Gunthar loses ic wins money in the bank cashes in at bash at Berlin (announces ahead of time for the main event match on the PLE) beats Cody for the title Cody chases Gunthar wins title from him at mania 42
Steve, you don't have to listen to Cornette. All you have to do is read the comments section on any AEW, NJPW, etc post or video, and it'll be filled with disingenuous "fans" parroting his words like they just thought of it, hoping to score some interaction by triggering the tribalistic ones. It's super corny (pun intended).
There's not a message board, a news site, a social media outlet, or a youtube video linked to wrestling where you wont see a Corny cultist pop up and spout off unsolicited Corny-isms just to feel like they've 'told off' someone. As someone who used to enjoy micro doses of the man on Kayfabe Commentaries and thinks he's got a point more times than not, I really hate how antagonistic and sometimes outright bigoted he and his entire listening audience can be.
@@ItDoesntMatterReally I think that's the point. Cornette is a heel. He's playing a character. An exaggerated version of himself. He's a worker, through and through. That honestly leads me to believe that his vitriol for somewhere like AEW is amped up, bc he sees what that does for his ratings. Same as Bischoff. Jim sees the ratings, and goes with what works. Unfortunately, his overzealous listeners didn't seem to get the memo and think he's king of tribalism. Funny, bc these "smart" fans don't really seem that smart.
I had to stop listening to cornette. Leading up to brawl out and the aftermath of brawl out was the absolute worst. The toxic negativity and tribalism that he helped create was draining the love I had for wrestling and kinda AEW. Even now, I went from a weekly watcher to maybe I’ll drop by every once in a while
The whole bloodline story line took so much building uo that almost every stoey in WM outside of it seems boring or poorly build. This WM is overrated and it hasnt even started lol horribly built up.
For me cornette is mostly kinda ok 80 percent of the time when he’s talking about white male wrestlers. Anything else can be questionable. You’d like to believe he’s not racist and is stuck booking for a 1982 Kentucky crowd but there is evidence that suggests otherwise. The one thing that saves cornette and why I can sometimes listen to him and not the other old head wrestiling figures is that cornette is not actually trying to change modern wrestling. He is self admittedly pissing into the wind and knows most of his audience is listening for his humor and experiences and not serious wrestling takes. I listen to him because he’s funny but I don’t particularly think a lot of what he has to say translates to the modern scene
@@JoeCool90 he called a man the n word and his defense was “I wasn’t being racist, I just knew he wouldn’t like it. I was working him.” His takes on minority wrestlers tend to be outdated at best, and he generally refuses to correctly pronounce the full name of any foreign wrestlers, particularly Japanese ones.
Fans wanting another monopoly in the wrestling business are A. Not real fans B. Aren’t as smart as you think and C. Clearly have a cognitive dissonance problem and clearly don’t remember how wrestling was after WWE bought WCW and ECW🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. You guys are just no longer patient and need to stop reading all the dirt sheets.
Not really. It reinforces that the title. Who has been the champ for the last million years? Roman. Who is the least important part of the what is supposedly the end of his reign? Roman. Just because you enjoyed the show doesn't mean that the build to Roman v. Cody II hasn't been crap since the Rock came back.
It is kinda wild how Dwayne managed to make everything all about himself. It took less than two weeks to make 3+ years of Roman feel minimum and even more unnecessary
Yes the blatant attempt to distract from the Vince "allegations" (he's guilty don't be stupid) is genuinely disgusting and I stopped watching WWE for the entire chamber build.
I hate to say this but Cody shouldn’t win at mania 40. I know I know but can we really give the people who sent death threats what they want? It sets and terrible precedent and again he should’ve won at mania 39! HHH’s “I’m just telling a story, I’m not stretching it out” was BS in the end.
Timing is NUTS 🥜 best RAW in forever !!!
Blood and Guts to come out at Mania?
@nervoussips2622 which makes all the sense in the world that Cody will finish it at Mania.
If he loses, he is done, this finish the story thing will be such a fail and meme material, a story that never ends
@nervoussips2622 I know if I were Roman I'd be pissed as well. Roman is the final boss, Roman will be jealous
@@nikylebisnath1810which makes sense storylines wise 😱🤯 crazy right
@@ShakeHandsWithBeef9946 it totally does. Roman is very insecure
what hilarious timing on this, given what we just saw happen on Raw.
"This awesome thing actually sucks." - wrestling fans
That “Damien should cash in on Cody” take would’ve been the ultimate Vince move where they think it would get massive heat on Priest but instead it would just making everyone furious at WWE for booking it 😂
I really truly believe that the reason Roman hasn’t been a big player in the story with Cody heading into Mania is purposeful I think the point is for it to feel like the Rocks taking away Roman’s shine and his spotlight and that’s how their feud will start and it’ll build off of Roman’s paranoia and anger and he’ll blame the Rock as the reason he’s lost the title
Yeah Roman could be like he never loss before the rock showed up. We have seen him kick family to the curb when they fail him.
This is obviously the point. The Rock taking the attention away from Roman is how they're going to build to Rock vs. Roman. I can't understand how people don't see this. It seems really obvious.
Aged like milk that take!
I don't think we'd be getting this kind of more adult-leaning stuff if it weren't for The Rock and his stroke in the company, and the adult-leaning stuff is what has made this build so fun.
Hot Take: if you put Rock and Cena’s careers side by side, Cena clears and it’s not even a competition.
Not talking about nostalgia, or any of that. Just looking at their careers objectively.
Hot take: a lot of Cornette's listeners (including me) are there for the history lesson. I listen for the territory stories, and an inside look at the Legends of the wrestling business.
Cornette is entertaining. It's possible to listen to someone and not agree with everything they say. I do enjoy the nicknames though.
As a cornette listener for 5 years..thebold history and territory stories aren't as good as him sh*tting on the modern product and doing reviews of things happening now. I'll still listen but just look at the youtube numbers. It's very telling what people want to hear.
@@Sky_BlazeDumb whiny people wanna hear dumb whiny shit 🤷♂️
You could get that in other places and not support a racist.
chaganshanker3584's comment aged like milk
#HotTake CM Punk is happier in WWE than he ever was in AEW.
"Hot take, his back was always fine" lmao
Great hot take by the first guy😂
Punk should’ve never lost to rock at rumble in 2014
That's just someone who doesn't like that the Rock outshines everyone he's in the ring with.
@@nervoussips2622You're one of very few.
Rock came in, screwed over WWE's plans. Forced them to pivot. Roman has been forgotten about.He goes overtime forcing segments to be cut. We get 30mins on average of Wrestling on 2/3 hour shows. Talent are complaining about double standards. _Nah, Hot Take has a point. And I completely agree._
@@lazypaladin One, I doubt anyone is complaining because it should be quite obvious, but in case it isn't: until that talent who is complaining draws as much over their career as Rock does, then WWE will let them monologue for 3 hours. But they haven't.
@nervoussips2622 That's fine to be upset by it. But I would say if your top drawing angle is getting a lot of time on TV, you'll end up making more money in the longterm. And about the swearing stuff, again, it's the Rock. Dakota Kai and Chad Gable don't have the pull to say "a**hole" and "suck my d***" but the Rock is the Rock. 🤷♂️
If your company's top salesperson takes a two hour lunch, but if you're on your third day and are entry level staff, they'll probably yell at you. That's just the way it is.
This hot take aged like a botoxed celebrity
I think what makes Corny such a large voice is his experience inside the business. He has seen it change and is considered the old guard Disco and alot of the other talking heads had nowhere the run Jim did. Can Jim be considered off putting , yes. He is basically putting a lot of his gimmick in that show w his opinion. We all have opinions, it just doesn’t make them right. Even my opinion is just an opinion.
You guys have been consistently great as old timers (no offense im srry 🥺😭) who give constructive criticism. While i dont agree with everything you say about my favorite stuff I always feel like you give solid critique in a way that feels like you genuinely just want better for all the fans/performers. Shoutout to you two gentlemen ❤❤
😂 just saw the thumbnail. Raw
You can thank Billy Connolly for the "Off is the direction..." bit.
Rock is doing the heavy lifting on the Bloodline side 😂 foh
The funny thing is how AEW was supposed to pick up the 'lapsed fans', but in reality more 'lapsed fans' watch/listen to Cornette than AEW.
Nobodys talking about the rock has awaken the nightmare bringing out the black haired cody.
Cornette is a hoot. You can agree or disagree with him, but he brings a lot of knowledge about the business. He wants wrestling to succeed, it's just his point of view is informed from the era he worked in (which was great). People who point to Cornette being down on wrestling are not paying close attention. He praises and criticizes based on his experience of what works and what doesn't work. I don't always agree with Jim, but I am grateful he is out there helping to make wrestling better.
Jim Cornette is the lowest known entity in the wrestling business. He never made it big in any of the major promotions and it eats him up inside. It is the reason, why he is bitter and angry and lashes out at the world. He only ever really understood the territories and wishes he could relive those days. There is nothing funny about that man. It is sad to watch him be the way he is and he is detrimental to the wrestling industry with his negativity.
@@HellaluyeahIs that so?. He was manager of the year a record number of times He managed the most highly respected heel team of the 80's. He ran his own promotion (Smoky Mountain), worked behind the scenes at WWE and TNA, and mentored some of the biggest talent of the 21st century at OVW (Cena, Orton, Lesnar, Batista). He is widely respected by the wrestlers and promoters he worked with. Nobody loves wrestling more than he does. People get their little feelings hurt because he speaks his mind.
@@Hellaluyeahyeah ok 😂
@@zeeroheero If that is what love looks like to you, you have a strange definition of the word. Everytime I see him, he is just spewing negativity and hate. Isn't it ironic, that he got those manager of the year awards from another thing in wrestling, that he hates - PWI. The man has an abusive relationship with wrestling and you guys, who just repeat his "nobody loves wrestling more than him"-shtick are the enablers. Wrestling is his wife and he beats her regularly and you just watch.
@@zeeroheero If he's so respected and his ideas so great, then why did he never last in any promotion he worked in? Why has OVW been overhauled? Why has AEW outlasted Smoky Mountain? Why, in the hundreds of interviews the OVW 2002 class have given, has his name come up so infrequently? He either left or was fired from everywhere, either for being a belligerent prick, a PR nightmare or an oldhead with outdated ideas. Loads of wrestlers don't like him, bona fide main eventers and stadium show closers like Kevin Steen and Kenny Omega among them. Loads of people who watch and cover wrestling don't care for his opinions, and it's not because their feelings are hurt, it's because his opinions are rubbish and his ideas don't work. If they did, any self-respecting promoter would pay him a truckload to get him on the booking committee. And yet no one is, because his own attempts and promotion and booking didn’t do any wonders for anywhere.
No. Because the night 2 main event will be Cody vs Rock. Watch
Roman will lose, rock will turn on Roman brining back the big dog
For the old timers part, here's the thing with their tirades: Just because they don't like something doesn't mean the bookers are gonna change their styles just because they don't agree with it, like Disco for example. He can throw tantrums, kick, scream, whine, b*tch, and cry all he wants, it ain't gonna change anything. Same for the other ones as well.
Raw for almost 3 years was almost unwatchable..until last night
Yeah that Raw was great. I just wish that WWE wasn't so human focused and gave time for other species to shine too.
Unfortunately who ever wins night 1 will lose night 2. So cody can get his win, and Roman still have his win in the solo match
Not necessarily so
@@JoeCool90 I guess I could see roman winning both nights but not cody
Here is my prediction. The reason the rock is the centre of the build. Is because he is the final boss.
When do you see the final boss? After you defeat the mini boss.
So let me put it in the rock own words" I've got something to show you, and I think you're gonna like it. It's pretty cool"
The Rock was told he could have the main event of wrestlemania 40. He was not told he had to have that main event against Roman reigns. After Cody Rhodes beats Roman reigns for the title. The final boss will come out, and say, Cody Rhodes, your first title defence will be right now against the final boss at wrestlemania 40 in the actual main event . And that's why it all centres around the rock.
Hot take: If Cody beats Reigns at WM40, his run will mirror DB run after WM30(DB vs the Authority). Lacklustre. As they’ve done everything to build Cody vs the Bloodline. But haven’t set up a SD challenger on the other side for Cody. Who’s this edition of Corporate Kane? (Side note: not saying he’s gonna get injured and vacate it)
It depends what they do with the us title.
If logan keeps the belt Randy would be a perfect first challenger as codys old mentor who at first has a respectful rivalry with his former pupil that turns into a bitter blood feud.
If logan loses at mania he should get a shot at cody asap. Also heel ko would also be awesome he has history with cody through the bloodline that could turn into a great story
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The Rock is overbooking himself because his ego can’t take not being in the main event. The Rock is ruining Wrestlemania.
Gunthar loses ic wins money in the bank cashes in at bash at Berlin (announces ahead of time for the main event match on the PLE) beats Cody for the title Cody chases Gunthar wins title from him at mania 42
Steve, you don't have to listen to Cornette. All you have to do is read the comments section on any AEW, NJPW, etc post or video, and it'll be filled with disingenuous "fans" parroting his words like they just thought of it, hoping to score some interaction by triggering the tribalistic ones. It's super corny (pun intended).
There's not a message board, a news site, a social media outlet, or a youtube video linked to wrestling where you wont see a Corny cultist pop up and spout off unsolicited Corny-isms just to feel like they've 'told off' someone. As someone who used to enjoy micro doses of the man on Kayfabe Commentaries and thinks he's got a point more times than not, I really hate how antagonistic and sometimes outright bigoted he and his entire listening audience can be.
@@ItDoesntMatterReally I think that's the point. Cornette is a heel. He's playing a character. An exaggerated version of himself. He's a worker, through and through. That honestly leads me to believe that his vitriol for somewhere like AEW is amped up, bc he sees what that does for his ratings. Same as Bischoff. Jim sees the ratings, and goes with what works. Unfortunately, his overzealous listeners didn't seem to get the memo and think he's king of tribalism. Funny, bc these "smart" fans don't really seem that smart.
I had to stop listening to cornette. Leading up to brawl out and the aftermath of brawl out was the absolute worst. The toxic negativity and tribalism that he helped create was draining the love I had for wrestling and kinda AEW. Even now, I went from a weekly watcher to maybe I’ll drop by every once in a while
Boy this aged terribly, huh?
I was originally gonna be the second Going in Raw member, but I gave it up for Steve after he became a board member…for some vague reason.
The whole bloodline story line took so much building uo that almost every stoey in WM outside of it seems boring or poorly build. This WM is overrated and it hasnt even started lol horribly built up.
For me cornette is mostly kinda ok 80 percent of the time when he’s talking about white male wrestlers. Anything else can be questionable. You’d like to believe he’s not racist and is stuck booking for a 1982 Kentucky crowd but there is evidence that suggests otherwise.
The one thing that saves cornette and why I can sometimes listen to him and not the other old head wrestiling figures is that cornette is not actually trying to change modern wrestling. He is self admittedly pissing into the wind and knows most of his audience is listening for his humor and experiences and not serious wrestling takes. I listen to him because he’s funny but I don’t particularly think a lot of what he has to say translates to the modern scene
I would say his chemistry with cohost Brian Last is what helps make it so successful. Cornettes stuff is miles ahead of the dozen Conrad podcasts
@@richborn6700 I don't listen to Cornette's podcast but I would still pick him over Conrad doing 5 minute ad reads for his own company
Cornette definitely not racist
@@JoeCool90 he called a man the n word and his defense was “I wasn’t being racist, I just knew he wouldn’t like it. I was working him.”
His takes on minority wrestlers tend to be outdated at best, and he generally refuses to correctly pronounce the full name of any foreign wrestlers, particularly Japanese ones.
Cody's face to be deformed after Mania, more blood and more blood to be lost?
#hottake people need to stop using the word "never" and start using the words "had not".
That Cody and Roman segmant on smackdown was boring and I missed the Rock
No it wasn’t
@@Kobe24brady12 Yes it was
@@NORWOODShadow RAW's stuff with Rock was better
Can y’all please quit calling dumb shit hot takes😂
Funny…
Fans wanting another monopoly in the wrestling business are A. Not real fans B. Aren’t as smart as you think and C. Clearly have a cognitive dissonance problem and clearly don’t remember how wrestling was after WWE bought WCW and ECW🤦🏾♂️🤦🏾♂️. You guys are just no longer patient and need to stop reading all the dirt sheets.
This aged insanely poorly
How? RAW was spectacular
I meant the title. It's stupid to even ask this question after one of the best Raws WWE has ran since it went 3 hours.@@Ranuyasha
Not really. It reinforces that the title. Who has been the champ for the last million years? Roman. Who is the least important part of the what is supposedly the end of his reign? Roman. Just because you enjoyed the show doesn't mean that the build to Roman v. Cody II hasn't been crap since the Rock came back.
It doesn’t help that Roman is checked out and he has been for a while now
You're not fooling anybody St(E)ve drone we know you love the tribalism
It is kinda wild how Dwayne managed to make everything all about himself. It took less than two weeks to make 3+ years of Roman feel minimum and even more unnecessary
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At least wait to see how the whole things pans out before having a cry
Yes the blatant attempt to distract from the Vince "allegations" (he's guilty don't be stupid) is genuinely disgusting and I stopped watching WWE for the entire chamber build.
I hate to say this but Cody shouldn’t win at mania 40. I know I know but can we really give the people who sent death threats what they want? It sets and terrible precedent and again he should’ve won at mania 39! HHH’s “I’m just telling a story, I’m not stretching it out” was BS in the end.
I never did buy the Rock's stick. 25 years ago, still couldn't but cringe when he had a mic. Hope he's gone after Mania. 👎😵💫
Without the rock no one is watching That shit crybaby😂
Bunch of bologna I'm reading
Worst wrestling take ever.
Cool story, edge lord