In my perspective, I don't think Joseph is a man who is in his 90s. Because God already knew Herod would haunt them & have to flee before his soldiers reach them. My point is Joseph, is not only Mary's husband but also the guardian appointed by God to protect Mary & Baby Jesus. So he must be quick both mentally & physically.
93 years old man married a 16 years old woman it's very sad poor mary ! i think joseph should leave her for his grandson or pobably great grandson .I don't know how can mary be virgin when joseph or may be other made sex with her for jisus
@@Jenice_ruShe was 12. Mary went to the temple at 3 and she dwelled in the temple of the lord for 9 years. Then when she was 12 they would mary the girls.
He(Jesus) was a Jew. Most Jewish people doesn't look like Western. They were a part of Middle East in ancient history. They just have white skin (i'm guessing because it's European Jew?). Back then, Israelites were like Arabs and both were distant cousins even the languages they speak so similar. But after they(Jews) were spread around the world it's no surprise there's the European Jews and the Middle East one. So that's probably how they got the white skin descendants. But i agree, Jesus was not blonde and blue eyes like some kind of English man. He must've been looked like the Jews we see today ezcept the white skin. Brunette/Black hair, brown eyes and brown skin (since he was born and lived in Jerusalem Nazareth).
Where in the new testament does the blond hair and blue eyes of Jesus in mentioned? Who are you calling liars? The western people might have depicted a statue of Jesus according to their views and culture, it is not from bible. Byzantine Christians have depicted a brown colored Jesus. Eastern Orthodox Christians also depict Jesus as brown colored. There are protestants who doesn't even have the statues that catholics have, because its idol worship. Read the bible or listen to any sermons regarding the death and resurrection of christ and what does it means for you and the entire humanity. Following Adam's sin the entire humanity was under the influence of sin and humans cannot find atonement for their sins. In Genesis, in the sacrifice bonding the covenant of Abraham and Lord God, Abraham kills and places the offering on the stones, but it is fire from God (Gen 15 :17), who consumes and establishes this covenant. Because humans have fallen because of their sins and Only Jesus Christ the one who was with out sin ,a righteous man who was crucified with out any causes (Mathew 27 : 15 -24 ), so that the human race won't perish but can achieve redemption from their sins and bondages of it through his sacrifice.
So they do blasphemy on Prophet Muhammad while the truth is in Abrahimic religion the age of marriage is according to the Puberty and Aisha was 9 and it was normal back then.
They just want to mock muslims but after you tell them the age of Rebecca and Mary according to their bible then its like woahhhh noooo thats fake blahblahblah!
@@d3adp94 i could say the same back. show us in the quran aishas age. The truth is you're just coping with that fact that post puberty is when the age of marriage is okay for abrahamic religions.
@@niyazmeah7142 pretty sure no one in the Bible married a girl playing with dolls. Nice try buddy. I’m glad to know how you feel about marrying little kids.
Honestly there’s no way he could have been 90+ years old. People like to ignore the verse in Matthew where it says Joseph knew Mary after Jesus was born. Also, all of the walking Joseph would have had to do. Also, I know someone who uses the excuse of Joseph being old to prey on young girls because he genuinely thinks if it was okay with Mary and Joseph, then God is okay with him going for young girls. What I know is, God isn’t perverted. And he wouldn’t make Joseph that much older. Also, there’s no reason for Mary to be a perpetual virgin, and I don’t know why people believe that, and completely ignore canonized scripture (Matthew). It didn’t call them his half brothers, it called them his brothers. Any way, we should stop arguing over doctrine and things that don’t really matter when it comes to our salvation. God wants unity between his believers, not division.
Abrahamic religions and other religions are full of lies, people are crazy following this cult worship in the modern world, where science has advanced so much.
Where in the new testament does the blond hair and blue eyes of Jesus in mentioned? Who are you calling liars? The western people might have depicted a statue of Jesus according to their views and culture, it is not from bible. Byzantine Christians have depicted a brown colored Jesus. Eastern Orthodox Christians also depict Jesus as brown colored.
He probably wasn't most cultures depict Jesus as themselves, there's Asian, African, Middle Eastern versions of Jesus it's just the European depiction is most popular
@@akeel6328 it's doesn't really put spot lights so it on God, god chooses the young woman for his play roll , so it up to god but mahamad subject with 11 women is really not attain with Christ
I believe Joseph was in his late 20s. Mary arnd 15 or 16. Joseph had to be fit enough to take care of a woman and child and be a father to Jesus. I can’t imagine a 93 year old man trekking to Bethlehem, taking care of a pregnant woman then trekking to Egypt in a rush and back home. It’s not like they could take the train. It was with a sturdy donkey.
Yes good logic. Joseph was 33 years old when he married Mother Mary on her 14th birthday. They married in the temple in Jerusalem where Joseph was supernaturally chosen among other men to be her wife.
So dates and ages of people born in the past living hundreds of years and names of their children were supposedly documented yet when it comes to the story of Mary and Joesph it is guessing ages and dates. Something like that would have been important to document. Why did everyone stop living so long all of a sudden?
I broke these perspectives down for my Sunday School class a couple of Christmases ago. We just happened to have a 93-year-old man in our class. He found that being considered a “safe” age very humorous. And not a little insulting. 😂
Do your own research peeps. It's unlikely based on many factors that joseph wasnt any older than 35-42 years old. People usually didn't have a long life expectancy. Most of the research I've done states that Mary was between 12 and 16 and Joseph somewhere between 18 and 35. Most likely Joseph was in his early twenties because men had to be financially stable to provide for his wife and children.
@@nicholaslibri9804According to what source ? The catholic encyclopedia of his history states that when they wanted to mary Joseph to mary at 12 he refused because he said he was of old age and has kids. Then the priests told him to fear your lord and told him to not defy.
@@ef4768 the Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda (aka - Mary’s Autobiography). Has all the information you need to know about Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Christs incarnation and passion.
The answer. We don't know. People have made speculation about the ages, but nothing in the bible reall confirms it. I don't think he was 90. At best I believe he was no older than 40. Mary? Well, she was a teenager by the time she gave birth. Now, there really wasn't a term for teenagers, but we know Mary had to be between 13 and 19 years old. In old times, 13 is not "underage." Sorry, but just because you find it bad now does not mean it was bad back then. It is just how it is. Things have changed, we have grown as society in some ways and perhaps lost some things along the way. I am sure many back then would call us ungrateful today.
How can they be Jesus's half siblings? Joseph has no biological relationship to Jesus and Mary had not biological relationship to Joseph's children from his first wife.
@@pedrogomespg.5882 simple equation... - Mary married Joseph at 13 years old - Jesus died 33 years old (April 3, AD 33) According to the apocryphal "Story of Joseph the Carpenter", the holy man reached his hundred and eleventh year when he died, on 20 July (A.D. 18 or 19) According to the bible whenJoseph died, he was 110. Reference: Genesis 50:22-26 AMP - Joseph died at 111 years old on 20 AD So Joseph would have been 90 years old when he Jesus was born..and we know that Jesus was born within a year or less of Joseph marrying Mary
According to some accounts, Joseph was 93 when he married a 13 year old Mary. Trivia: What was the legal age of marriage in 1700 UK? The minimum legal age was 12 years for women and 14 years for men. In addition, it was possible for the couple to get engaged at the age of 7.
Throughout most of human history all people were married and were having children at early young ages it was necessary because life expectancy was low and people didn't live long. Throughout most of human history all people were married and were having children at 13 14 15 and 16.
She, Mary has revealed that she was born in what we call 16 BC. That is to say in 1984 it was 2,000 years since she was born. ….. The year Christ was born is not known for sure. Possibly the year 1 or 2 …. That would make Mary no younger than 16 at the birth of Christ. …. Mary was said to have been just Delighted to be engaged to Joseph. I Doubt he was much older than 30.
Wow, where did you get that year for her birth from? I've read the Mystical City of God where Mother Mary said that she was born on 8th September and was 15 years 3 months and 17 days old when Christ was born on the 25th December. Which means Christ was born in 1BC - 25th December and circumcised 8 days later on January 1st 0AD. Absolutely mindblowing. Joseph married Mother Mary at 33 years old on her 14th birthday.
This is good he is just exposing some lies and what source they use, they are not biblical, not because church don’t want it but because it not historical
Joseph 93. Mary 13. That was the nature of the time. Heck. Even a few years ago Texas allowed marriage at 13. Times are different now. Can’t compare the two eras
@@camkahn not only that, but people of that time never tracked birthdates. My dad for example, he’s from Afghanistan and he doesn’t even know how Old he is right now lol. You can only image how it was back then. We don’t deny the fact Aisha RA narrated the Hadith mentioning her age being 6, but again she most likely didn’t even know her age. We also can track through historic documentation how old she could have been. Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq has a great video on this on his Masjid Ribat Channel giving a bunch of reliable sources. Give it a watch!
@@Billal2332 I don't think she narrated the hadith herself. But you are right that in mid 1900 people say that their parents said they were born during the season of lychee or mangoes
yes a 3 year old that was capable of riding a camel and carry a bucket of water.... Time in the context of the ancient world isnt like the current world. Rebecca wasnt 3 just study the text
When people desciplbed a couple teaveling they called them a man and a woman. They never said a girl and an older man, or a girl and a boy. So they were close to the same age. I would assume she was 17 since her face would have matured. So no one ever mistook her for a child
I'll give you my Bible-informed viewpoint. Here goes: Mary was a regular girl who had never heard of a virgin birth. Hence her questioning the angel Gabriel. If she herself had been immaculately conceived as the RC church says, she would have responded "Oh. Even as I was born." She does not. But she realizes this honor has a price: her entire future. She will be pregnant out of wedlock and Joseph will divorce her. It is the end of her happiness. God will get His child - but that will be the end of it. Then something wonderful happens, even as Joseph DOES consider divorcing her [legally ending the marriage contract] but without rancor or publicity - "quietly" we are told. Joseph is visited by an angel in his dreams. He is told it will be OK. To not be afraid. Essentially, "Calm down. She did not cheat on you. This is of God." So Joseph marries her. And of course everyone now thinks he "jumped the gun" - no man would marry a woman carrying another man's child. Technically, they were married, but still... they were supposed to wait. So "he had no union with her until she gave birth..." that means after that event he DID. If I say "I am not going to do my homework until I eat dinner." and I finish dinner, what is implied and expected? Right, me doing my homework. Proof of that? Jesus' half-brothers and sisters. They are clearly mentioned and there is no suggestion otherwise they are not blood kin. Mark 6:3 "Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him." Matthew 13:55,56 "Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?” Note well in the Matthew passage - "all his sisters". So Mary had Jesus. Then four brothers. Then so many sisters they do not list them. Like more than four is implied. Mary had so many kids that she even lost Jesus for a few days at the Temple. A real "Home Alone" experience. Here's what I think, because it is a pattern of God in the Bible: you accept the sacrifice He asks and in so doing, He blesses you beyond your capability to comprehend. I think Mary thought she would never have a family because of how shameful this would look. I think she wept when Joseph said "I will marry you. An angel corrected me. God is at work, fiance'," Then after Jesus was born, God blessed her womb. And she had a boy, a girl, a boy, a girl, a boy, a girl, etc. Because the text paints it that way. That is my take, contra tradition.
@@rdeal8912 how do you know that, for sure, just because the Internet says that doesn’t make it fact, plus even if it was it doesn’t make it any less truth, most story telling back then was oral meaning people didn’t write them down but instead kept them in there own minds and hearts, so it could’ve been a written down perspective copying the oral tradition, personally I believe it to be historically accurate, you should at least read it once and then tell me what you think of it before dismissing it… another story I believe to be a true historical account is Beowulf, it’s about a great Christian Geat warrior in the times of ancient Vikings, I don’t believe it’s just some random poem, I think it’s a accumulation of historical history. Also I believe the books of the Dead Sea scrolls are all Holy scripture so you should get modern English translations of those and check them out too, very interesting stuff.
MARY'S MOTHER WAS STILL ALIVE AT THAT TIME. SHE WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED HER TO MARRY A 90 YEAR OLD? THE KIDS NEED A DAD WHO'S ALIVE NOT NEAR DEATH. A HANDMAID (MARY) OF THE LORD IS NOT A CHILD BUT USUALLY A MAIDEN IN THE CHURCH IS 15 OR OVER, NEVERTHELESS SHE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER HEAVENLY FATHER ALREADY DEVELOPED, SHE WAS FAVOURED. THERE IS NO MENTION OF GOING TO EGYPT WITH OTHER CHILDREN, ONLY JESUS. WHEN THE PARENTS FORGOT ABOUT JESUS (12) IN BETHLEHEM AFTER TRAVELLING A DAY, THEY HAD YOUNGER CHILDREN WITH THEM! WHO FORGETS AN ONLY CHILD? Luke 1:38 And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
I will let the LORD teach you the truth concerning the matter. Adam and Eve were both created in the image of God and on the same day. They were the same age on the same day they were created. So when God initially acknowledges a male as a man and a female as a woman, it is the same age. In Numbers 1:1-4, And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying, 2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls; 3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies. 4 And with you there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers Male according to God the LORD is acknowledged as a man at twenty years old and is may be able to go to war. Deuteronomy 20:5-7 This is the statutes of warfare. “Then the officers shall speak to the people, saying: ‘What man is there who has built a new house and has not dedicated it? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man dedicate it. 6 Also what man is there who has planted a vineyard and has not eaten of it? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there who is betrothed to a woman and has not married her? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man marry her.’ VERSE 7 shows us that you have to be at least a twenty year old man to get get married to at least a twenty year old woman. Meditate on why you have to be at least twenty years old before you do these things. I can show you another time where twenty year olds are the starting age of acknowledging a male is a man. God does owe us wisdom if we seek it without doubt and with faith and understanding of what to seek and how to seek wisdom. The Bible will never show anyone acknowledged as a man or woman in their teenage years or prior born of a woman. This 12 year old Mary lie, and the traditions of the rabbi elders bullcrao has zero basis in Scriptures. None, zilch. There is no such thing as an 18 or 19 year old woman. She is a girl still. The USA has no Biblical basis for that age being the right age to acknowledge an adult. I do have Biblical basis for what I know and understand as true. There are kings in their teens with their specific age in the Bible. Go see if any of them were acknowledged as men.
year 0 and a random dude lived to 93? Is this the claim muslims do to try to make the bible look bad? You have to be joking AJAJDJJSJA. Not only that but its a non biblical source i can't ☠️
@@Floridahehe who you will prove to jewish that marry was virgin when they see her with husbend So we cant blame jewish when they did not beliave in the virginity of mary
@abunusayba1 yes he (Joseph) became Jesus' *LEGAL....* father although not not being his biological father(which offcourse according to Scriptures being a child's *legal father* had more weight/importance than being just his *biological father* Deuteronomy 23:2) hence that is why when you read in the account of Luke 3:23 from the P.O.V. of people back then in Jesus time they obviously naturally thought that Joseph was both Jesus *LEGAL...& BIOLOGICAL* father,which as I said before being his LEGAL father held much more volume than just being his Biological father!!!!
it is a fact..god through the holy spirit impregnated 13 year old Mary and Joseph was over 90 years old married her when she was 13 or 14..this how it's been through millenials..you are born in this century and indoctrinated by man's law not god's law
As well. Also he refers to her as a woman not a child. Scripture always I feel keept child years for children. The Jews didn’t start their learning till 5? At 15 they were learning the grown up stuff. She had a rep as a Virgin I feel because she was in her twenties with no husband. Joseph’s wife died he needed someone to care for kids Anna Mary at her age would benefit from being married finally. So disappointed to see how many of your are quick to group Mary with the rest of the world.
Matthew 1:24 (KJV) Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: So where exactly did Jesus tell Joseph that???
@@victorgachuiri7816 I would have to disagree those verses are clear the Angel in reference is God but not the God the father ….has to be Jesus. One of those verse I sent literally says he wrestled with God and did not die. How is this possible. Genesis 18 the same 3/angel that met Abraham met Jacob. Abraham calls the angel God in the first sentence of the chapter. How is everyone seeing god and not dying????why are the seeing angels and calling them God???? I can send you more verses. Yes I was wrong about first I just learning this teaching
The common argument hinges on the word “until”, so let’s take a deeper look: “Until” is often used in Scripture as part of an idiomatic expression similar to our own usage in English. Someone might say to you, “Until we meet again, God bless you.” Does that necessarily mean after you meet again, God curse you? By no means. A phrase like this is used to emphasize what is being described before the until is fulfilled. It is not intended to say anything about the future beyond that point. Here are some biblical examples: "The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool." After his enemies are subdued, does Jesus stop sitting at the Father’s right hand? No. “Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (1 Timothy 4:13) Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes? No. “For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.” (1 Corinthians 15:25) Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? Of course not! As these examples from scripture show, the word “until” does not require the cessation or reversal of the activity in question, Matthew 1:25 does not require that Mary lost her virginity, and this verse cannot be used to prove otherwise.
If this is true Then mohammed married iesha we cant talk. This is weird omg😮 Cant picture god allowing a 93 year old to mount a 12 year ild. What is going on here?
Dalam Alkitab. tidak pernah di sebutkan berapa usia Maria saat bertunangan dengan Yusuf dan berapa usianya, saat melahirkan Yesus, juga tidak pernah di catat di dalam Injil sahih, sama sekali tidak pernah di sebutkan. Maria hnya di sebutkan sebagai sosok perempuan muda yg masih perawan suci. tetapi bukan seorang gadis AbGe, saat melahirkan dan mengasuh Yesus. yg pasti Maria adalah sosok perempuan dewasa yg sudah matang secara fisik, mental, keimanan, perilaku dan tindak tanduknya. sedangkan jika di katakan Maria berumur sekitar 13 - 14 tahun saat melahirkan Yesus, itu hanya perkiraan orang orang saja. tidak ada data dan fakta yg valid soal itu, hnya tebak tebakan saja. sedangkan pada jaman dahulu kala, wanita mengalami menstruasi, pertumbuhan payudara , yg di sebut masa pubertas adlh umur sekitar 14 -16 tahun. sangat tidak mungkin, TUHAN memilih Maria sebagai ibu dari sang Mesias dan Juru Selamat dunia, kepada seorang gadis belia yg baru pubertas. sedangkan wanita umur 13 - 14 tahun itu masih tergolong anak- anak di bawah umur. dari segi fisik, reproduksi, pola pikir, psikologis, mental dan perilaku saja belum matang. sama saja namanya tuhan merampas hak dan masa depan Maria menikmati masa remajanya, tiba-tiba menjadi seorang ibu, yg belum berpengalaman dalam perkawinan dan belum waktunya berumahtangga. TUHAN tidak sekonyol itu. Sedangkan pernikahan dini tidak umum di kalangan masyarakat Yahudi, sejak jaman para Nabi dan jaman sekarang. mereka di biarkan tumbuh menikmati masa kanak-kanak dan remaja sambil bekerja membantu orang tuanya, sekaligus menempuh pendidikan. Maria ibu Yesus, berjodoh dengan Yusuf, bukan karena di jodohkan oleh orang tuanya, tetapi karena usianya sudah waktunya untuk menikah dan berumahtangga. atas dasar suka sama suka atau cinta sama cinta, bukan karena di jodohkan orang tuanya.
You’re using a painting incorrectly depicting Jesus’ hair and eye color to defend a 51 year old marrying a 9 year old. (Here’s the part where I should say CLOOOOWNS.)
Palestine did not exist until decades after Jesus’ ascension…even if anyone actually believed Jesus was blond with blue eyes, that’s a very small detail against literal pedophilia…
In my perspective, I don't think Joseph is a man who is in his 90s. Because God already knew Herod would haunt them & have to flee before his soldiers reach them. My point is Joseph, is not only Mary's husband but also the guardian appointed by God to protect Mary & Baby Jesus. So he must be quick both mentally & physically.
93 years old man married a 16 years old woman it's very sad poor mary ! i think joseph should leave her for his grandson or pobably great grandson .I don't know how can mary be virgin when joseph or may be other made sex with her for jisus
I agree with you on that but how old was mary?
what perspective are you a scholar in Christianity ? can god not make a 90 year old fit enough to protect his wife and god's child?
@@Jenice_ruShe was 12. Mary went to the temple at 3 and she dwelled in the temple of the lord for 9 years. Then when she was 12 they would mary the girls.
no one cares about your point of view, as far as i am concerned joseph could get a light saber and a hover craft to escape them.
Jesus was not even blond with blue eyes. Liars
@Worstje Knak In scandanavia
He(Jesus) was a Jew. Most Jewish people doesn't look like Western. They were a part of Middle East in ancient history. They just have white skin (i'm guessing because it's European Jew?). Back then, Israelites were like Arabs and both were distant cousins even the languages they speak so similar. But after they(Jews) were spread around the world it's no surprise there's the European Jews and the Middle East one. So that's probably how they got the white skin descendants.
But i agree, Jesus was not blonde and blue eyes like some kind of English man. He must've been looked like the Jews we see today ezcept the white skin. Brunette/Black hair, brown eyes and brown skin (since he was born and lived in Jerusalem Nazareth).
@@redhakiim789 dayumm
Jesus was not a prophet either
Where in the new testament does the blond hair and blue eyes of Jesus in mentioned? Who are you calling liars?
The western people might have depicted a statue of Jesus according to their views and culture, it is not from bible. Byzantine Christians have depicted a brown colored Jesus. Eastern Orthodox Christians also depict Jesus as brown colored.
There are protestants who doesn't even have the statues that catholics have, because its idol worship.
Read the bible or listen to any sermons regarding the death and resurrection of christ and what does it means for you and the entire humanity. Following Adam's sin the entire humanity was under the influence of sin and humans cannot find atonement for their sins.
In Genesis, in the sacrifice bonding the covenant of Abraham and Lord God, Abraham kills and places the offering on the stones, but it is fire from God (Gen 15 :17), who consumes and establishes this covenant. Because humans have fallen because of their sins and Only Jesus Christ the one who was with out sin ,a righteous man who was crucified with out any causes (Mathew 27 : 15 -24 ), so that the human race won't perish but can achieve redemption from their sins and bondages of it through his sacrifice.
So they do blasphemy on Prophet Muhammad while the truth is in Abrahimic religion the age of marriage is according to the Puberty and Aisha was 9 and it was normal back then.
They just want to mock muslims but after you tell them the age of Rebecca and Mary according to their bible then its like woahhhh noooo thats fake blahblahblah!
Then show us in the BIble her age, you can not. Momo consummated the marriage at 9.
@@d3adp94 i could say the same back. show us in the quran aishas age. The truth is you're just coping with that fact that post puberty is when the age of marriage is okay for abrahamic religions.
@@niyazmeah7142 pretty sure no one in the Bible married a girl playing with dolls. Nice try buddy. I’m glad to know how you feel about marrying little kids.
@@niyazmeah7142 I can show you in a Hadith which are as good as your Quran according to Muslim scholars. 😂
Joseph was 90 years old it in the bible and Mary 12 so stop your double standard
Where???
3:10 ...listen carefully
Not in the Bible. Also mary had a virgin birth around 14 or 15 that's a big difference than having sex with a 9 year old.
Tunjukan di bible..?
You know nothing
Honestly there’s no way he could have been 90+ years old. People like to ignore the verse in Matthew where it says Joseph knew Mary after Jesus was born. Also, all of the walking Joseph would have had to do. Also, I know someone who uses the excuse of Joseph being old to prey on young girls because he genuinely thinks if it was okay with Mary and Joseph, then God is okay with him going for young girls. What I know is, God isn’t perverted. And he wouldn’t make Joseph that much older. Also, there’s no reason for Mary to be a perpetual virgin, and I don’t know why people believe that, and completely ignore canonized scripture (Matthew). It didn’t call them his half brothers, it called them his brothers. Any way, we should stop arguing over doctrine and things that don’t really matter when it comes to our salvation. God wants unity between his believers, not division.
Well said fair points
Joseph was Jesus real father and both Mary and Joseph had some perverted 6 giving birth to your god
Jesus was israeli. How come he is white blond and blur eyed? Mockery or lies?
Abrahamic religions and other religions are full of lies, people are crazy following this cult worship in the modern world, where science has advanced so much.
Where in the new testament does the blond hair and blue eyes of Jesus in mentioned? Who are you calling liars?
The western people might have depicted a statue of Jesus according to their views and culture, it is not from bible. Byzantine Christians have depicted a brown colored Jesus. Eastern Orthodox Christians also depict Jesus as brown colored.
He probably wasn't most cultures depict Jesus as themselves, there's Asian, African, Middle Eastern versions of Jesus it's just the European depiction is most popular
Couldary have been raped my a white guy with blue eyes and blond hair and to not bring shame to Mary or Joseph he just hushed it out
Absolute B.S why don't they stop making stuff up and stick to the scriptures.
Mary was 12 dont lie
Mary was not 12 dont subtract years to create a narrative, I've seen some sources that even state she was 14-19
On what context, or prediction
@@TONY-ATOM Protoevnagelium of James
@@akeel6328 it's doesn't really put spot lights so it on God, god chooses the young woman for his play roll , so it up to god but mahamad subject with 11 women is really not attain with Christ
@@TONY-ATOMThe context is that Jewish law at that time only allowed engagements for girls under the age of 13.
I believe Joseph was in his late 20s. Mary arnd 15 or 16. Joseph had to be fit enough to take care of a woman and child and be a father to Jesus. I can’t imagine a 93 year old man trekking to Bethlehem, taking care of a pregnant woman then trekking to Egypt in a rush and back home. It’s not like they could take the train. It was with a sturdy donkey.
Yes good logic. Joseph was 33 years old when he married Mother Mary on her 14th birthday. They married in the temple in Jerusalem where Joseph was supernaturally chosen among other men to be her wife.
Isn't that pedophilia? She was only a teen
why do you believe this? where is your evidence?
Mary was 12 don't add years from your head
@@Sabrielova Mary was not 12 dont subtract years to create a narrative, I've seen some sources that even state she was 14-19
So dates and ages of people born in the past living hundreds of years and names of their children were supposedly documented yet when it comes to the story of Mary and Joesph it is guessing ages and dates. Something like that would have been important to document. Why did everyone stop living so long all of a sudden?
The effects of eternity wore off over time because of sin.
I broke these perspectives down for my Sunday School class a couple of Christmases ago. We just happened to have a 93-year-old man in our class. He found that being considered a “safe” age very humorous. And not a little insulting. 😂
Do your own research peeps. It's unlikely based on many factors that joseph wasnt any older than 35-42 years old. People usually didn't have a long life expectancy. Most of the research I've done states that Mary was between 12 and 16 and Joseph somewhere between 18 and 35. Most likely Joseph was in his early twenties because men had to be financially stable to provide for his wife and children.
Your age ranges are correct. Mother Mary was married to Joseph on her 14th birthday to Joseph who was 33 years old.
@@nicholaslibri9804According to what source ? The catholic encyclopedia of his history states that when they wanted to mary Joseph to mary at 12 he refused because he said he was of old age and has kids. Then the priests told him to fear your lord and told him to not defy.
@@nicholaslibri9804The age was estimated to be 90-95
@@ef4768 the Mystical City of God by Mary of Agreda (aka - Mary’s Autobiography). Has all the information you need to know about Mary’s Immaculate Conception, Christs incarnation and passion.
The answer.
We don't know. People have made speculation about the ages, but nothing in the bible reall confirms it. I don't think he was 90. At best I believe he was no older than 40.
Mary? Well, she was a teenager by the time she gave birth.
Now, there really wasn't a term for teenagers, but we know Mary had to be between 13 and 19 years old. In old times, 13 is not "underage." Sorry, but just because you find it bad now does not mean it was bad back then. It is just how it is.
Things have changed, we have grown as society in some ways and perhaps lost some things along the way.
I am sure many back then would call us ungrateful today.
How can they be Jesus's half siblings? Joseph has no biological relationship to Jesus and Mary had not biological relationship to Joseph's children from his first wife.
@surfanor that is because you are trying to merge biblical truths with fable stories from the Apocrypha(not God inspired books)!!!
@@ChevyNova632bigblockchevy "Biblical Truths" is one hell of an oxymoron lol.
Joseph was atleast 58 years old and Mary was 13 years old..I did the calculations
Wait what calculations?
How can you calculate this?
@@pedrogomespg.5882 simple equation...
- Mary married Joseph at 13 years old
- Jesus died 33 years old (April 3, AD 33)
According to the apocryphal "Story of Joseph the Carpenter", the holy man reached his hundred and eleventh year when he died, on 20 July (A.D. 18 or 19)
According to the bible whenJoseph died, he was 110. Reference: Genesis 50:22-26 AMP
- Joseph died at 111 years old on 20 AD
So Joseph would have been 90 years old when he Jesus was born..and we know that Jesus was born within a year or less of Joseph marrying Mary
@@habazlambazazathe6th989 where is written that she had 13?
@@pedrogomespg.5882 i replied but youtube or someone deleted it
lol the second pic is definitely fictional. Jesus was not blond hair blue eyed. So that doesn’t help at all
According to some accounts, Joseph was 93 when he married a 13 year old Mary.
Trivia: What was the legal age of marriage in 1700 UK?
The minimum legal age was 12 years for women and 14 years for men. In addition, it was possible for the couple to get engaged at the age of 7.
Proof? Show me a verse from the Bible that says " Joseph was 90 and Mary was 13"! Also what does UK marriage laws have to do with this?
@user-bs5mv9cx5y
What u on about?
12 is still legal today
Throughout most of human history all people were married and were having children at early young ages it was necessary because life expectancy was low and people didn't live long. Throughout most of human history all people were married and were having children at 13 14 15 and 16.
She, Mary has revealed that she was born in what we call 16 BC.
That is to say in 1984 it was 2,000 years since she was born.
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The year Christ was born is not known for sure.
Possibly the year 1 or 2
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That would make Mary no younger than 16 at the birth of Christ.
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Mary was said to have been just Delighted to be engaged to
Joseph. I Doubt he was much older than 30.
Wow, where did you get that year for her birth from? I've read the Mystical City of God where Mother Mary said that she was born on 8th September and was 15 years 3 months and 17 days old when Christ was born on the 25th December. Which means Christ was born in 1BC - 25th December and circumcised 8 days later on January 1st 0AD. Absolutely mindblowing.
Joseph married Mother Mary at 33 years old on her 14th birthday.
Isn't that pedophilia?
This is good he is just exposing some lies and what source they use, they are not biblical, not because church don’t want it but because it not historical
Joseph 93. Mary 13. That was the nature of the time. Heck. Even a few years ago Texas allowed marriage at 13. Times are different now. Can’t compare the two eras
It was nearly 2020 years ago
Then why christians blame prophet muhammad marry ayesha??
@@laylaalthawadi3012 Ayesha was 18 or 19 when she got married per some sources. Nobody can tell her exact age
@@camkahn not only that, but people of that time never tracked birthdates. My dad for example, he’s from Afghanistan and he doesn’t even know how Old he is right now lol. You can only image how it was back then. We don’t deny the fact Aisha RA narrated the Hadith mentioning her age being 6, but again she most likely didn’t even know her age. We also can track through historic documentation how old she could have been. Sheikh Uthman Ibn Farooq has a great video on this on his Masjid Ribat Channel giving a bunch of reliable sources. Give it a watch!
@@Billal2332 I don't think she narrated the hadith herself. But you are right that in mid 1900 people say that their parents said they were born during the season of lychee or mangoes
വിശുദ്ധ മാതാവിന് വേറെ മക്കളില്ലാ എന്നതാണ് സത്യം🙏❤️ യേശു മാത്രമേ മകനായൊള്ളു🙏❤️
Jesus grace is greater!
And REBECCA 3 YEARS OLD MARRIED ISHAK 43 YEARS OLD....😂
yes a 3 year old that was capable of riding a camel and carry a bucket of water.... Time in the context of the ancient world isnt like the current world. Rebecca wasnt 3 just study the text
Mary was in her early 20s lmao, there's no biblical evidence to support Joseph was 90, no biblical evidence to support Mary was 12. Y'all are goofy
Protoevangelium of James says she was 12. What makes you say she was 20?
@@akeel6328just trust me bro
Shouldn't mary be in school? She shouldn't be married at that age.
Lmao they didn't have schools back then
If the Joseph's children are from another woman, then they R NOT half brothers and sisters!!
They talk bad about Mohammed then they accuse god of having a child with a 12 years child mary.😂😂😂😂😂
God became a child and entered her womb. Try to understand
So they didn’t consummate until after she gave birth? Y’all expect me to believe that? Also no way he was 16-17 way too “convenient”
@kingsaw5282 because it says so in the Holy Scriptures bro....
Well then there’s no way muhhamad heard the voice of god telling him to have sex with a nine year old it’s way to “convenient”
She was 12 according to Protoevangelium of James.
Not consummated? Come on! Be honest, truth hurts but we gotta be honest. What is there you are afraid to reveal?
Joseph ain't muhhamad, joseph was a good man unlike the false prophet, also joseph never had s3x slaves and work hard on his entire life
How old is Aish4 again when your pr0ph3t married her??????????
The truth is we cannot find the flying donkey that your prophet ride from mecca to jerusalem that hurts🤣
When people desciplbed a couple teaveling they called them a man and a woman. They never said a girl and an older man, or a girl and a boy. So they were close to the same age. I would assume she was 17 since her face would have matured. So no one ever mistook her for a child
If that’s not specific in the scripture, then you are adding to the scriptures! Revelation talks about this in Chapter 22…BEWARE!
So what is the truth? There are so many stories...
I'll give you my Bible-informed viewpoint.
Here goes: Mary was a regular girl who had never heard of a virgin birth. Hence her questioning the angel Gabriel. If she herself had been immaculately conceived as the RC church says, she would have responded "Oh. Even as I was born."
She does not. But she realizes this honor has a price: her entire future. She will be pregnant out of wedlock and Joseph will divorce her. It is the end of her happiness. God will get His child - but that will be the end of it. Then something wonderful happens, even as Joseph DOES consider divorcing her [legally ending the marriage contract] but without rancor or publicity - "quietly" we are told.
Joseph is visited by an angel in his dreams. He is told it will be OK. To not be afraid. Essentially, "Calm down. She did not cheat on you. This is of God."
So Joseph marries her. And of course everyone now thinks he "jumped the gun" - no man would marry a woman carrying another man's child. Technically, they were married, but still... they were supposed to wait.
So "he had no union with her until she gave birth..." that means after that event he DID.
If I say "I am not going to do my homework until I eat dinner." and I finish dinner, what is implied and expected? Right, me doing my homework.
Proof of that? Jesus' half-brothers and sisters. They are clearly mentioned and there is no suggestion otherwise they are not blood kin.
Mark 6:3
"Isn’t this the carpenter? Isn’t this Mary’s son and the brother of James, Joseph, Judas and Simon? Aren’t his sisters here with us?” And they took offense at him."
Matthew 13:55,56
"Is not this the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother called Mary? And are not his brothers James and Joseph and Simon and Judas? And are not all his sisters with us? Where then did this man get all this?”
Note well in the Matthew passage - "all his sisters".
So Mary had Jesus.
Then four brothers.
Then so many sisters they do not list them. Like more than four is implied.
Mary had so many kids that she even lost Jesus for a few days at the Temple. A real "Home Alone" experience.
Here's what I think, because it is a pattern of God in the Bible: you accept the sacrifice He asks and in so doing, He blesses you beyond your capability to comprehend.
I think Mary thought she would never have a family because of how shameful this would look. I think she wept when Joseph said "I will marry you. An angel corrected me. God is at work, fiance',"
Then after Jesus was born, God blessed her womb.
And she had a boy, a girl, a boy, a girl, a boy, a girl, etc.
Because the text paints it that way.
That is my take, contra tradition.
@@Justiciar1284so, how old was she 😂
Mary was 12 and Joseph was 90 when they were married…
where are you getting this info
@@rdeal8912 a book called “The History Of Joseph The Carpenter”.
@@jeremiahdavidmichaelgraham7777 That’s a 5th century text lol.
@@rdeal8912 how do you know that, for sure, just because the Internet says that doesn’t make it fact, plus even if it was it doesn’t make it any less truth, most story telling back then was oral meaning people didn’t write them down but instead kept them in there own minds and hearts, so it could’ve been a written down perspective copying the oral tradition, personally I believe it to be historically accurate, you should at least read it once and then tell me what you think of it before dismissing it… another story I believe to be a true historical account is Beowulf, it’s about a great Christian Geat warrior in the times of ancient Vikings, I don’t believe it’s just some random poem, I think it’s a accumulation of historical history.
Also I believe the books of the Dead Sea scrolls are all Holy scripture so you should get modern English translations of those and check them out too, very interesting stuff.
@jeremiahdavidmichaelgraham7777 Is this catholic?
MARY'S MOTHER WAS STILL ALIVE AT THAT TIME. SHE WOULDN'T HAVE ALLOWED HER TO MARRY A 90 YEAR OLD? THE KIDS NEED A DAD WHO'S ALIVE NOT NEAR DEATH.
A HANDMAID (MARY) OF THE LORD IS NOT A CHILD BUT USUALLY A MAIDEN IN THE CHURCH IS 15 OR OVER, NEVERTHELESS SHE HAD A RELATIONSHIP WITH HER HEAVENLY FATHER ALREADY DEVELOPED, SHE WAS FAVOURED.
THERE IS NO MENTION OF GOING TO EGYPT WITH OTHER CHILDREN, ONLY JESUS.
WHEN THE PARENTS FORGOT ABOUT JESUS (12) IN BETHLEHEM AFTER TRAVELLING A DAY, THEY HAD YOUNGER CHILDREN WITH THEM! WHO FORGETS AN ONLY CHILD?
Luke 1:38
And Mary said, "Behold, I am the handmaid of the Lord; let it be to me according to your word." And the angel departed from her.
I will let the LORD teach you the truth concerning the matter. Adam and Eve were both created in the image of God and on the same day. They were the same age on the same day they were created.
So when God initially acknowledges a male as a man and a female as a woman, it is the same age.
In Numbers 1:1-4, And the LORD spake unto Moses in the wilderness of Sinai, in the tabernacle of the congregation, on the first day of the second month, in the second year after they were come out of the land of Egypt, saying,
2 Take ye the sum of all the congregation of the children of Israel, after their families, by the house of their fathers, with the number of their names, every male by their polls;
3 From twenty years old and upward, all that are able to go forth to war in Israel: thou and Aaron shall number them by their armies.
4 And with you there shall be a man of every tribe; every one head of the house of his fathers
Male according to God the LORD is acknowledged as a man at twenty years old and is may be able to go to war.
Deuteronomy 20:5-7 This is the statutes of warfare.
“Then the officers shall speak to the people, saying: ‘What man is there who has built a new house and has not dedicated it? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man dedicate it. 6 Also what man is there who has planted a vineyard and has not eaten of it? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man eat of it. 7 And what man is there who is betrothed to a woman and has not married her? Let him go and return to his house, lest he die in the battle and another man marry her.’
VERSE 7 shows us that you have to be at least a twenty year old man to get get married to at least a twenty year old woman.
Meditate on why you have to be at least twenty years old before you do these things. I can show you another time where twenty year olds are the starting age of acknowledging a male is a man. God does owe us wisdom if we seek it without doubt and with faith and understanding of what to seek and how to seek wisdom.
The Bible will never show anyone acknowledged as a man or woman in their teenage years or prior born of a woman. This 12 year old Mary lie, and the traditions of the rabbi elders bullcrao has zero basis in Scriptures. None, zilch. There is no such thing as an 18 or 19 year old woman. She is a girl still. The USA has no Biblical basis for that age being the right age to acknowledge an adult. I do have Biblical basis for what I know and understand as true. There are kings in their teens with their specific age in the Bible.
Go see if any of them were acknowledged as men.
93 year old Carpenter....Wooow , very interesting
and getting a 14-16 year old wife? looks like there were no young marriageable age man around for Mary.
year 0 and a random dude lived to 93? Is this the claim muslims do to try to make the bible look bad? You have to be joking AJAJDJJSJA.
Not only that but its a non biblical source i can't ☠️
Thank you Jesus ❤
So if Joseph married Marry BEFORE Jesus was born doesn't that make Joseph Jesus's father???????🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔🤔
@@Floridahehe who you will prove to jewish that marry was virgin when they see her with husbend
So we cant blame jewish when they did not beliave in the virginity of mary
@@Floridahehe
Answer me
@abunusayba1 yes he (Joseph) became Jesus' *LEGAL....* father although not not being his biological father(which offcourse according to Scriptures being a child's *legal father* had more weight/importance than being just his *biological father* Deuteronomy 23:2) hence that is why when you read in the account of Luke 3:23 from the P.O.V. of people back then in Jesus time they obviously naturally thought that Joseph was both Jesus *LEGAL...& BIOLOGICAL* father,which as I said before being his LEGAL father held much more volume than just being his Biological father!!!!
so you guys love the story of joseph a 90 year old with an underage child! smh shame on yall
Can you show us a source? (One that’s at least written in the 200 years since Joseph’s death)
it is a fact..god through the holy spirit impregnated 13 year old Mary and Joseph was over 90 years old married her when she was 13 or 14..this how it's been through millenials..you are born in this century and indoctrinated by man's law not god's law
Mary fooled Joseph with that lie. How come she got pregnant without any man? Joseph, a complete fool.
Who is a fool? Angel himself appeared to Joseph and explained to him about miraculous birth
As well. Also he refers to her as a woman not a child. Scripture always I feel keept child years for children. The Jews didn’t start their learning till 5? At 15 they were learning the grown up stuff. She had a rep as a Virgin I feel because she was in her twenties with no husband. Joseph’s wife died he needed someone to care for kids Anna Mary at her age would benefit from being married finally. So disappointed to see how many of your are quick to group Mary with the rest of the world.
Fun fact it was Jesus himself who told Joseph not sleep with his mom before he was born Mathew 1:24
Matthew 1:24 (KJV) Then Joseph being raised from sleep did as the angel of the Lord had bidden him, and took unto him his wife: So where exactly did Jesus tell Joseph that???
@@victorgachuiri7816 I was wrong, but Jesus is called the angel of the Lord sometimes in the OT sometimes I could be wrong
@@victorgachuiri7816 genesis chapter 31 1-11 “angel of God” Genesis 32 1-30
@@derrickdarden6963 yes you are wrong again brother.
@@victorgachuiri7816 I would have to disagree those verses are clear the Angel in reference is God but not the God the father ….has to be Jesus. One of those verse I sent literally says he wrestled with God and did not die. How is this possible. Genesis 18 the same 3/angel that met Abraham met Jacob. Abraham calls the angel God in the first sentence of the chapter. How is everyone seeing god and not dying????why are the seeing angels and calling them God???? I can send you more verses. Yes I was wrong about first I just learning this teaching
Stop believing what others say! Read your bibles!! These fools will add to the scriptures and this alone is dangerous to ALL YOUR SOULS!!
The common argument hinges on the word “until”, so let’s take a deeper look:
“Until” is often used in Scripture as part of an idiomatic expression similar to our own usage in English. Someone might say to you, “Until we meet again, God bless you.” Does that necessarily mean after you meet again, God curse you? By no means. A phrase like this is used to emphasize what is being described before the until is fulfilled. It is not intended to say anything about the future beyond that point. Here are some biblical examples:
"The LORD said to my Lord, Sit at my right hand until I make thine enemies thy footstool." After his enemies are subdued, does Jesus stop sitting at the Father’s right hand? No.
“Until I come, attend to the public reading of scripture, to preaching, to teaching. (1 Timothy 4:13) Does this mean Timothy should stop teaching after Paul comes? No.
“For he (Christ) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.” (1 Corinthians 15:25) Does this mean Christ’s reign will end? Of course not!
As these examples from scripture show, the word “until” does not require the cessation or reversal of the activity in question, Matthew 1:25 does not require that Mary lost her virginity, and this verse cannot be used to prove otherwise.
No they sleep together so stop your lie stop 🛑
If this is true Then mohammed married iesha we cant talk. This is weird omg😮 Cant picture god allowing a 93 year old to mount a 12 year ild. What is going on here?
Your quran even proves mary was a virgin, there was no mounting...
12 according to protoevangelium of James.
Dalam Alkitab. tidak pernah di sebutkan berapa usia Maria saat bertunangan dengan Yusuf dan berapa usianya, saat melahirkan Yesus, juga tidak pernah di catat di dalam Injil sahih, sama sekali tidak pernah di sebutkan. Maria hnya di sebutkan sebagai sosok perempuan muda yg masih perawan suci. tetapi bukan seorang gadis AbGe, saat melahirkan dan mengasuh Yesus.
yg pasti Maria adalah sosok perempuan dewasa yg sudah matang secara fisik, mental, keimanan, perilaku dan tindak tanduknya. sedangkan jika di katakan Maria berumur sekitar 13 - 14 tahun saat melahirkan Yesus, itu hanya perkiraan orang orang saja. tidak ada data dan fakta yg valid soal itu, hnya tebak tebakan saja.
sedangkan pada jaman dahulu kala, wanita mengalami menstruasi, pertumbuhan payudara , yg di sebut masa pubertas adlh umur sekitar 14 -16 tahun.
sangat tidak mungkin, TUHAN memilih Maria sebagai ibu dari sang Mesias dan Juru Selamat dunia, kepada seorang gadis belia yg baru pubertas. sedangkan wanita umur 13 - 14 tahun itu masih tergolong anak- anak di bawah umur. dari segi fisik, reproduksi, pola pikir, psikologis, mental dan perilaku saja belum matang.
sama saja namanya tuhan merampas hak dan masa depan Maria menikmati masa remajanya, tiba-tiba menjadi seorang ibu, yg belum berpengalaman dalam perkawinan dan belum waktunya berumahtangga.
TUHAN tidak sekonyol itu.
Sedangkan pernikahan dini tidak umum di kalangan masyarakat Yahudi, sejak jaman para Nabi dan jaman sekarang. mereka di biarkan tumbuh menikmati masa kanak-kanak dan remaja sambil bekerja membantu orang tuanya, sekaligus menempuh pendidikan.
Maria ibu Yesus, berjodoh dengan Yusuf, bukan karena di jodohkan oleh orang tuanya, tetapi karena usianya sudah waktunya untuk menikah dan berumahtangga. atas dasar suka sama suka atau cinta sama cinta, bukan karena di jodohkan orang tuanya.
This pastor is a dishonest person. Shame on you. Mary was 12 and Joseph was to be estimated 90-95. Not very christian like of you pastor.
Shame on your lack of common knowledge, a 90 year old carpenteer in the years near 0... Very islamic of you to missinterpret though
One can justify anything if it suits your narrative.
Can I tell my opinion? I think Joseph was 33 year old and Mary was 28. That is it, I don't know why this is just a strong feeling. 😢
😂😂😂😂 wrong
Jesus defo wasnt blonde
Lol wasn’t Joseph in his 90s when he took in Mary at 13 🥴
So we should believe the artist with portrait that shows Jesus having blonde hair *CLOOOOWNS*
You’re using a painting incorrectly depicting Jesus’ hair and eye color to defend a 51 year old marrying a 9 year old. (Here’s the part where I should say CLOOOOWNS.)
Wrong
Also numbers 14:29-31 tells the age of census which is 20. Read it
incredible find. thanks
NO NO,,, THIS CAN NOT BE BECOS THIS COULD BE WORST LIKE MUHAMMAD
I think Mary was Lolita
Jesus was from Palestine and he is blonde with blue eyes????
Palestine did not exist until decades after Jesus’ ascension…even if anyone actually believed Jesus was blond with blue eyes, that’s a very small detail against literal pedophilia…
He was never white but again that is what people do
93 or 39 i am confused
Can’t be that old as he was a carpenter for years
@@dmanletsgoYour own opinion does not work here..he was 90 year old
You want any source
@@mohammadsamshu2948a 90 year old dude in year 0 as a Carpenter yeah bro so true.
From a non biblical source
He was a 22 years old!
He was 80
@@giajolee6169Source?
Without proof