I am surprised by the amount of people who are shocked that women were married off at 12-14. That was completely normal at the time and was still normal until the 1700’s. I’m also annoyed about how some people assume that this type of marriage only happens in Asia. It’s so offensive. European (white) girls would be married as early as age 9. Main reason is because most people died young.
The times were different , age of maturity and other factors were there as well. It’s not religious , it was happening in Rome and ancient Judaism as well. Not only in Christiandom but Judaism has even younger traditions in Old Testament. The age of maturity at that time was different than the age of physical and psychological maturity. At the time girls were women at age 10 but now times are different and age of maturity has changed.
The proper answer is “we don’t know “ , and we don’t know that the reason is not tell us because “it was she was if normal age”. We don’t know what is not tell to us , but we do know is not relevant. The Bible does not tell us what happened to Jospeh, does not tell us what happen to Jesus during his childhood , nor during his teenage years. Only when it’s relevant (the prophecy about his death or he talking with the scholars at the temple ) is mentioned. Did Jesus have more friends or just Lazaros family? We don’t know because was not important for the message. If Mary was too old to have a child we will have (more likely ) known about the fact. So we know she was not too young or not too old to need a miracle to have a child.
Vanda Saba, I can agree with that but... Mary was chosen, found favor from God. Scripture says we didn't choose God but he chose us. Stop and think about this for a minute. We are also special because scripture says we are his children and his friends and a royal priesthood. So special we are that God sent his son to die, for me and you and all of humanity. Our part is to confess with our mouth, believe in our heart that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead. Some, especially Catholics, get carried away with Mary adoration. Their Mary, is not the Mary of the bible.
12 to 14 was the time of getting married at the age of puberty in older times. It is not know that age is just the norm. it well could have been older to 16-17 but that was somewhat older.
I am very interested in the question, and it makes me feel slightly uneasy. Here is my trail of thought, but I would be really keen to hear the views of others: If Christians are comfortable with the idea that God allowed for a 12-14 year old to become impregnated with a child, then they cannot make the claim that there is something inherently immoral about doing this. If these issues are cultural rather than natural, then the only Christian view would be that (consented) paedophilia is acceptable (or is only acceptable under the constraints of moderns, Western society). I am in no way condemning religion, or Christians in general, and am merely taking this argument in the direction that it leads me. I welcome other people's thoughts
I generally believe time and space shapes world views...Paedophilia would not have been a relatable concept to them in that era because the child is "being prepared" for marriage at an early age and is not concern about education or future careers unlike it will be in the 21st century. Also, most of the grooms would have been the same age as them or a few years older with some exceptions though so their lives will be not be disrupted or the groom having an undue advantage over the bride unlike it will be in present-day situations. The Jews would rather have viewed it as teenage marriages, not Paedophilia due to their culture Hope you understand my point with regards to the culture at that time... NB: I do not condone Paedophilia and believe it should be illegal
2 questions - Matthew 13:55 refers to a later stage in Jesus' life, when he was a man. His closest followers would have been called brothers and sisters. Question No 2 - why did Jesus give his mother to John, at his crucifixion? In Jewish culture at that time, she would have been under the care of one of her other sons - if she had had them. By placing her in the care of John we know that, following Jesus' death, she would have had neither husband or son to look after her.
@@wm6649 NO!! NO!!! AND NO!!! Mary and Joseph had a bunch of kids together! Mary is same as me or any other Mommy that is in relationship with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour! She just had the priviledge to be a Mommy to Jesus when He needed a Mommy as a CHILD!
Cathy clews, well the answer is a rather easy one. John was the one "Jesus loved very much". Scripture says the brothers if Jesus did not become believers until after the resurrection of Jesus. It wasn't a difficult choice for Jesus.
Excellent Thanks for sharing this video and the information. Very well pointed out and interesting points. Which denomination if any are you in. You should allow ratings I'm pretty sure they help with more views
in that time, life expectincy was much lower. Girls were married as soon as possible becaus of it. If they were married in their 20’s or 30’s (like most people today) they could not have had many children (wich was important because many of those children would not survive until adulthood).
@@bhelesiola there wasn't enough food available 24/7, many people had to work and farm to produce enough food before machines of the Industrial Revolution. Therefore quality of life and health differs. If they had kids at 18 and die at early age of 30 years old, then their kids should be adults and on their own by the age of 12.
What is the Jewish perspective of Mary's age . Her Father allowed her to visit Elizabeth. I don't think she was that young. But she was mature enough to understand and believe God.
It would be a good question for a Jewish Rabbi . I wouldn't mention Mary to a Rabbi tho . I've spent a lot of time with non Christian Jews ...and I want to say that Jewish tradition teaches that Jews are married at the age of twenty .
Thank you for the video. I am a Muslim, and I find the story of Mary and Jesus (pbuh) very beautiful and heart-trembling. I believe that all the people should read the stories in the Bible and the Quran, because these stories are not just "a bunch of stories" as some suggest, but actually they contain moral code, set of beliefs for people to follow. May Allah shed light on the hearts of those who make dirty allegations of Allah and the Prophets, particularly on social network sites.
Isn't it that the reference for Mary's "other children" or as scripture says it "brothers of Jesus" aren't exactly literal. It's because in the Hebrew text, their word for brother is also used for brother in law or cousin. In the New Testament, Jesus told us to call one another "brothers" in Matthew 23:8. The passage obviously does not mean to suggest that all Christians have the same physical mother.
I'm hearing that girls were betrothed at 12 frequently, but not a lot of support for that fact. The only girl I've read described as specifically 12 (from the Talitha story) is called young girl, little girl, damsel, but even in Greek it's a totally different word than the one used for Mary, virgin, that is also used for all women of marriageable age. Salome (a jewish girl) is also called the same word for "little girl," korasion, and she is still living at home and not mentioned as betrothed.
Yeah when you go to Google search yes it has many results that says Mary was probably 12 to 14. But I don't agree that Mary is 12 or 14. My opinion is that at least Mary was 16 years old. My reasons are: 1. Physiology between girls 12 to 14 during Mary's time and now have no difference what's so ever. A lot of girls at that age are still lanky, boyish not fully developed yet. Granted there are girls who have a woman's body at an early age of 12 but not the majority of them. I used to work on a college with a High School level and every cases we have of pregnancy in High School are girls ages 16 and up and most of them in senior year. We do have a tiny percentage of 3rd year students who got pregnant but their ages are beyond 16. Year in and year out, I could see the vast difference with those girls who are 12-14 and girls who are 16-up. The former are so awkward physically and so childish but they get back from summer into their senior you could really see the difference how womanly they look. Again rare are girls who are already "women" looking in the first and year. Faculty sometimes bet who will be the best looking swan from the ugly ducklings from the seniors when summer is over. 2. Jesus when he was twelve was still considered a child by Mary and Joseph. They were looking for him, BOTH OF THEM like they were looking for a child. Granted in early societies and nomadic societies today it is the age where the boy transitions to manhood -- this is the time when the 12 year olds learn the trade of livelihood BUT still considered not a man but is trained to learn TO BE A MAN. They are expected to help the father in the trade. Again they are still considered a child but is being readied for manhood responsibilities. The girls aren't as looked like that but do get trained to help the mothers in the home. Again the parents still considers them children. Because if Joseph and Mary considered at Jesus as young adults it would only take Joseph to look for him -- a father will have a talk with his son man to man. 3. Related to this is David, who was still considered a child as he is still with his father but was already trained for manhood responsibilities in caring for the sheep. I think David was 14-15 years old when he fought Goliath. But that is just my thoughts sir. Godbless you.
Here is my question: Couldn't Jesus brothers be more like step brothers, sons of Joseph? Because Joseph was married once before and he was an old man when he married Mary...
Forex Not too likely, Jesus learned his trade from Joseph, he went to Jerusalem when Jesus was 12. and that is is the last we hear of him. Joseph was likely to have been in his late 20s or early 30s
with whom he was married? the Bible doesn't mention that. After the birth of Jesus Joseph new her. That means as a husband He new Her and they have boys an girls. The Bible doesn't said that he was marry once, neither he was an old man.
Both Matthew and Luke tell us that Mary gave birth to her firstborn son(Jesus) .No where do Matthew and Luke write that Mary did not give birth to no other children. In fact both tell us that Mary gave birth to 4 other sons and gave birth to daughters. As a former Roman Catholic who has been set free from the Vatican, I tell you the Popes are no more than Caesars and the Cardinals the modern Roman Senate. The Roman Empire did not totally disappear, it lives in the Roman Catholic Church.
Maybe Mary's family told her that she was special all along, that was the reason that she wasn't afraid to follow God's plan for her. I also wonder about Joseph, there just isn't a lot of information about him.
God didn't tell the virgin birth story. Two out of the four gospel writers did. They don't say how they knew, or how they could have possibly known, any of this stuff.
GOD SENT PROPHETS BEFORE Mathew Peter Luke and John! Are you going to ignore the fact that 40 different prophets wrote in the OT? God dictates , prophets write!
Jewish priests were jealous of Jesus and his miracles. So they decided to kill him and Pontious Pilate just supported the decision of Jewish high priests.
Why are we all reading from different bibles??? This is more confusing than the bible itself. Where I’m from, Ireland, the KJV is for Protestants and we read a Catholic one. Protestants here don’t believe in the virgin birth, yet you seem too. Can people see why this is confusing? 😳
I think it's a useless exercise to try to get all of the details out of the story. With every translation and iteration of the Bible comes changes with the grammar, vocabulary, and sentence structure that just changes the meaning of each sentence just slightly. If you read it in order languages you'll notice that the it's all slightly different. I think that after the 1000th iteration, trying to extract details from a story told through a game of telephone is futal.
The Virgin birth of Jesus is one of the most profound things surrounding the story of Jesus. Anyone who doesn't believe it should go back to Isaiah where he States it severally in different chapters.
I have read the Bible many many times and years ago I noticed old women being referred to as " virgin" or "pure".....not only that these women were never far from their husbands . A few weeks ago I was reading the Bible and there was another old virgin crying for the husband of her Youth . And I have come to understand that the Bible teaches that a woman who has been faithful in marriage never loses the title of virgin ....this is why marriage is holy . And is a sacrament of the Holy Roman church.
Before her husband new her , She got pregnant By the Holly Spirit, the Angel apear to Josep in a dream and told him, That Mary was conceive by the Holly Spirit. Later on they have boys and girls
Sounds like something a Muslim might say. Are you a Muslim? If you are, I'd be happy to have a healthy discussion with you. After all we're all a part of the human family.
No, Judas was a common name for that time, because earlier in Jewish history there was a Judas Maccabeus who rallied the Jews. Read the books of Maccabees in the Catholic bible for more info.
I dont think many/any people became over 70 years old in that time... I see what you're doing, trying to create a very young girl with a really old man situation like Muhammad and Aisha.
he didnt try to create it, was it. And was very commum and normal to woman to marry young. But what happen with Muhammad sws and Khadija r.o only happen with Muhammad sws and Khadija.
Id like to know why people call yashwa Jesus when the Letter j is one of the youngest words in alphabet. And in this day in age u go to jail for putting a baby in a teenager. And I know the most high is not a perve so why follow a man made book if it as so many contradictions. And if this book is true were are the graves of the holy family and why was the book written hundreds if not thousands of years after Jesus death by hear say. And were are the missing books and y do we need a new testament if the old one should tell it all.
I am surprised by the amount of people who are shocked that women were married off at 12-14. That was completely normal at the time and was still normal until the 1700’s. I’m also annoyed about how some people assume that this type of marriage only happens in Asia. It’s so offensive. European (white) girls would be married as early as age 9. Main reason is because most people died young.
The times were different , age of maturity and other factors were there as well. It’s not religious , it was happening in Rome and ancient Judaism as well. Not only in Christiandom but Judaism has even younger traditions in Old Testament. The age of maturity at that time was different than the age of physical and psychological maturity. At the time girls were women at age 10 but now times are different and age of maturity has changed.
The proper answer is “we don’t know “ , and we don’t know that the reason is not tell us because “it was she was if normal age”. We don’t know what is not tell to us , but we do know is not relevant. The Bible does not tell us what happened to Jospeh, does not tell us what happen to Jesus during his childhood , nor during his teenage years. Only when it’s relevant (the prophecy about his death or he talking with the scholars at the temple ) is mentioned. Did Jesus have more friends or just Lazaros family? We don’t know because was not important for the message. If Mary was too old to have a child we will have (more likely ) known about the fact. So we know she was not too young or not too old to need a miracle to have a child.
God favored Mary from all the women of this world. She must have been extremely special.
Vanda Saba, I can agree with that but... Mary was chosen, found favor from God. Scripture says we didn't choose God but he chose us. Stop and think about this for a minute. We are also special because scripture says we are his children and his friends and a royal priesthood. So special we are that God sent his son to die, for me and you and all of humanity. Our part is to confess with our mouth, believe in our heart that he is Lord and that God raised him from the dead. Some, especially Catholics, get carried away with Mary adoration. Their Mary, is not the Mary of the bible.
Yes absolutely and she was the right woman being an of the line of David
12 to 14 was the time of getting married at the age of puberty in older times. It is not know that age is just the norm. it well could have been older to 16-17 but that was somewhat older.
God is great
I am very interested in the question, and it makes me feel slightly uneasy. Here is my trail of thought, but I would be really keen to hear the views of others: If Christians are comfortable with the idea that God allowed for a 12-14 year old to become impregnated with a child, then they cannot make the claim that there is something inherently immoral about doing this. If these issues are cultural rather than natural, then the only Christian view would be that (consented) paedophilia is acceptable (or is only acceptable under the constraints of moderns, Western society).
I am in no way condemning religion, or Christians in general, and am merely taking this argument in the direction that it leads me. I welcome other people's thoughts
I generally believe time and space shapes world views...Paedophilia would not have been a relatable concept to them in that era because the child is "being prepared" for marriage at an early age and is not concern about education or future careers unlike it will be in the 21st century. Also, most of the grooms would have been the same age as them or a few years older with some exceptions though so their lives will be not be disrupted or the groom having an undue advantage over the bride unlike it will be in present-day situations. The Jews would rather have viewed it as teenage marriages, not Paedophilia due to their culture
Hope you understand my point with regards to the culture at that time...
NB: I do not condone Paedophilia and believe it should be illegal
I cant help wondering where all Jesus's siblings were when he was the cross?
2 questions - Matthew 13:55 refers to a later stage in Jesus' life, when he was a man. His closest followers would have been called brothers and sisters. Question No 2 - why did Jesus give his mother to John, at his crucifixion? In Jewish culture at that time, she would have been under the care of one of her other sons - if she had had them. By placing her in the care of John we know that, following Jesus' death, she would have had neither husband or son to look after her.
Wanda Morales the perpetual virginity of Mary is a myth, a Catholic tradition. The Bible is literal when speaking about Jesus’s brothers and sisters.
@@wm6649 NO!! NO!!! AND NO!!! Mary and Joseph had a bunch of kids together! Mary is same as me or any other Mommy that is in relationship with Jesus Christ as their Lord and Saviour! She just had the priviledge to be a Mommy to Jesus when He needed a Mommy as a CHILD!
Cathy clews, well the answer is a rather easy one. John was the one "Jesus loved very much". Scripture says the brothers if Jesus did not become believers until after the resurrection of Jesus. It wasn't a difficult choice for Jesus.
Excellent Thanks for sharing this video and the information. Very well pointed out and interesting points. Which denomination if any are you in. You should allow ratings I'm pretty sure they help with more views
I'm just very curious about the basis for the idea that 12 year olds were typically considered women prepared for marriage.
in that time, life expectincy was much lower. Girls were married as soon as possible becaus of it. If they were married in their 20’s or 30’s (like most people today) they could not have had many children (wich was important because many of those children would not survive until adulthood).
Lifespan and fertility.
That was the culture around the world then,still some people practice it today.
@@lavenderhuman how? Women can bear healthy babies in their 20s
@@bhelesiola there wasn't enough food available 24/7, many people had to work and farm to produce enough food before machines of the Industrial Revolution. Therefore quality of life and health differs. If they had kids at 18 and die at early age of 30 years old, then their kids should be adults and on their own by the age of 12.
Ohh brother is so beautiful to hear you I wanted to keep learning with you
You can not speculate on that the Bible is silent about that
What is the Jewish perspective of Mary's age . Her Father allowed her to visit Elizabeth. I don't think she was that young. But she was mature enough to understand and believe God.
It would be a good question for a Jewish Rabbi .
I wouldn't mention Mary to a Rabbi tho .
I've spent a lot of time with non Christian Jews ...and I want to say that Jewish tradition teaches that Jews are married at the age of twenty .
Was not the angels name Gabriel?
good information.
Thank you for the video. I am a Muslim, and I find the story of Mary and Jesus (pbuh) very beautiful and heart-trembling. I believe that all the people should read the stories in the Bible and the Quran, because these stories are not just "a bunch of stories" as some suggest, but actually they contain moral code, set of beliefs for people to follow. May Allah shed light on the hearts of those who make dirty allegations of Allah and the Prophets, particularly on social network sites.
How do you know this and where can I see proof of this Just curious
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Isn't it that the reference for Mary's "other children" or as scripture says it "brothers of Jesus" aren't exactly literal. It's because in the Hebrew text, their word for brother is also used for brother in law or cousin. In the New Testament, Jesus told us to call one another "brothers" in Matthew 23:8. The passage obviously does not mean to suggest that all Christians have the same physical mother.
I'm hearing that girls were betrothed at 12 frequently, but not a lot of support for that fact. The only girl I've read described as specifically 12 (from the Talitha story) is called young girl, little girl, damsel, but even in Greek it's a totally different word than the one used for Mary, virgin, that is also used for all women of marriageable age. Salome (a jewish girl) is also called the same word for "little girl," korasion, and she is still living at home and not mentioned as betrothed.
Yeah when you go to Google search yes it has many results that says Mary was probably 12 to 14.
But I don't agree that Mary is 12 or 14. My opinion is that at least Mary was 16 years old.
My reasons are:
1. Physiology between girls 12 to 14 during Mary's time and now have no difference what's so ever. A lot of girls at that age are still lanky, boyish not fully developed yet. Granted there are girls who have a woman's body at an early age of 12 but not the majority of them. I used to work on a college with a High School level and every cases we have of pregnancy in High School are girls ages 16 and up and most of them in senior year. We do have a tiny percentage of 3rd year students who got pregnant but their ages are beyond 16. Year in and year out, I could see the vast difference with those girls who are 12-14 and girls who are 16-up. The former are so awkward physically and so childish but they get back from summer into their senior you could really see the difference how womanly they look. Again rare are girls who are already "women" looking in the first and year. Faculty sometimes bet who will be the best looking swan from the ugly ducklings from the seniors when summer is over.
2. Jesus when he was twelve was still considered a child by Mary and Joseph. They were looking for him, BOTH OF THEM like they were looking for a child. Granted in early societies and nomadic societies today it is the age where the boy transitions to manhood -- this is the time when the 12 year olds learn the trade of livelihood BUT still considered not a man but is trained to learn TO BE A MAN. They are expected to help the father in the trade. Again they are still considered a child but is being readied for manhood responsibilities. The girls aren't as looked like that but do get trained to help the mothers in the home. Again the parents still considers them children. Because if Joseph and Mary considered at Jesus as young adults it would only take Joseph to look for him -- a father will have a talk with his son man to man.
3. Related to this is David, who was still considered a child as he is still with his father but was already trained for manhood responsibilities in caring for the sheep. I think David was 14-15 years old when he fought Goliath.
But that is just my thoughts sir.
Godbless you.
Mary was supposed to be 14 years old. She had been prepared for years by the Esssenes.
Here is my question: Couldn't Jesus brothers be more like step brothers, sons of Joseph? Because Joseph was married once before and he was an old man when he married Mary...
Forex Not too likely, Jesus learned his trade from Joseph, he went to Jerusalem when Jesus was 12. and that is is the last we hear of him. Joseph was likely to have been in his late 20s or early 30s
Yes.
with whom he was married? the Bible doesn't mention that. After the birth of Jesus Joseph new her. That means as a husband He new Her and they have boys an girls. The Bible doesn't said that he was marry once, neither he was an old man.
Both Matthew and Luke tell us that Mary gave birth to her firstborn son(Jesus) .No where do Matthew and Luke write that Mary did not give birth to no other children. In fact both tell us that Mary gave birth to 4 other sons and gave birth to daughters. As a former Roman Catholic who has been set free from the Vatican, I tell you the Popes are no more than Caesars and the Cardinals the modern Roman Senate. The Roman Empire did not totally disappear, it lives in the Roman Catholic Church.
Well said brother... Thank God for His grace and mercy upon you
Thank you❤
I don't know whether the Jews believe in angel Gabriel.
how do you know that?
She was 14 or 15.
Maybe Mary's family told her that she was special all along, that was the reason that she wasn't afraid to follow God's plan for her. I also wonder about Joseph, there just isn't a lot of information about him.
God didn't tell the virgin birth story. Two out of the four gospel writers did. They don't say how they knew, or how they could have possibly known, any of this stuff.
GOD SENT PROPHETS BEFORE Mathew Peter Luke and John! Are you going to ignore the fact that 40 different prophets wrote in the OT? God dictates , prophets write!
have you heard of The Holy Spirit? Didn't Jeremiah 31:31-34 not say God himself will teach us?
Why did they crucified Jesus and the Apostoles?
Jewish priests were jealous of Jesus and his miracles. So they decided to kill him and Pontious Pilate just supported the decision of Jewish high priests.
Thank you Mr. May God guide us all.
Why are we all reading from different bibles??? This is more confusing than the bible itself. Where I’m from, Ireland, the KJV is for Protestants and we read a Catholic one. Protestants here don’t believe in the virgin birth, yet you seem too. Can people see why this is confusing? 😳
I think it's a useless exercise to try to get all of the details out of the story. With every translation and iteration of the Bible comes changes with the grammar, vocabulary, and sentence structure that just changes the meaning of each sentence just slightly. If you read it in order languages you'll notice that the it's all slightly different. I think that after the 1000th iteration, trying to extract details from a story told through a game of telephone is futal.
Protestants believe in Mary...but we dont keep it as a doctrine or mediator of salvation
The Virgin birth of Jesus is one of the most profound things surrounding the story of Jesus. Anyone who doesn't believe it should go back to Isaiah where he States it severally in different chapters.
How can a woman remain virgin after she gets married? You are saying that Mary was a virgin and was married to Joseph. Can you please elaborate
I have read the Bible many many times and years ago I noticed old women being referred to as " virgin" or "pure".....not only that these women were never far from their husbands .
A few weeks ago I was reading the Bible and there was another old virgin crying for the husband of her Youth . And I have come to understand that the Bible teaches that a woman who has been faithful in marriage never loses the title of virgin ....this is why marriage is holy . And is a sacrament of the Holy Roman church.
When Joseph found out that Mary was pregnant by the Holy Spirit he did not have sex with her until after she gave birth.
Before her husband new her , She got pregnant By the Holly Spirit, the Angel apear to Josep in a dream and told him, That Mary was conceive by the Holly Spirit. Later on they have boys and girls
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Sounds like something a Muslim might say. Are you a Muslim?
If you are, I'd be happy to have a healthy discussion with you. After all we're all a part of the human family.
Thank you for your insight.
Still this age of marry is not the fact
Where can I get a bible?
You can access a bible on Google.
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I have a question the Judas one of Jesus' (siblings of the four) is it the very same Judas who betrayed him?
NO.Judas Iscariot , Jesus' Disciple Betrayed Him.
No, Judas was a common name for that time, because earlier in Jewish history there was a Judas Maccabeus who rallied the Jews. Read the books of Maccabees in the Catholic bible for more info.
I dont think many/any people became over 70 years old in that time...
I see what you're doing, trying to create a very young girl with a really old man situation like Muhammad and Aisha.
he didnt try to create it, was it. And was very commum and normal to woman to marry young.
But what happen with Muhammad sws and Khadija r.o only happen with Muhammad sws and Khadija.
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Finally, a religious guy who makes sense.
Id like to know why people call yashwa Jesus when the Letter j is one of the youngest words in alphabet. And in this day in age u go to jail for putting a baby in a teenager. And I know the most high is not a perve so why follow a man made book if it as so many contradictions. And if this book is true were are the graves of the holy family and why was the book written hundreds if not thousands of years after Jesus death by hear say. And were are the missing books and y do we need a new testament if the old one should tell it all.
damyll2011 well said and I agree
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