How Asian Americans Break The Bamboo Ceiling | Forbes
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- Опубликовано: 19 янв 2016
- Three high level Asian American’s share how diversity in the executive levels of an organization can lead to greater success, as well as how other Asian American’s can break the 'Bamboo Ceiling' and make their way to the top.
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Thanks for bringing this issue to light but there’s so much incorrectness in this video and failure to address the root cause. It’s interesting whenever the topic of “bamboo ceiling” is brought up, it’s always the Asian Americans’ fault for being too Asian (not fitting in) and somehow ALL AAs must fit in this one stereotype. There are a lot of American born Asians with high education who speak perfect English and behave like their Caucasian peers. Let’s be honest, do they really get treated the same in corporate America? Somehow, we live in a perfect color blind country, sure keep believing that. For AAs, I see 2 options: open your business or hope that one day (hopefully before you retire) more Asian companies will become global players and they see the value in you. But then again, why do we have fewer options ? That’s the million-dollar question that corporate America and mainstream media always “miss”.
Amen! That’s why I’m happy to see Chinese and Korean companies thriving, besides the Japanese companies that are already acknowledged! Although some will criticize China, Korea, and Japan, but their successes has put us Asian Americans more favorable in many markets in the West.
Exactly
Who said the world is fair? That's what all Asian kids learned when they were little. They are not the same as the kids of the other races. But we persevere because of our culture heritage that values education and morality. Never forget who you are. I am proud to be Asian.
This title is extremely misleading. It makes it seem as though Asians Americans who break the ceiling are succeeding, when in fact the bamboo ceiling is a systemic issue. You shouldn’t applaud a few for overcoming it if everyone else is still troubled by it.
East Asian's hard work is out of our comprehensible senses. Their culture takes it for granted that you work hard. If you translate that mentality in America, they do twice or three times the work the average non-East Asian do, that includes other minorities. When they work hard for 200%, they only get credit for 110%. While White Americans get 100% work for 100% credit, since they set the standard. In reality, and technically speaking, Asians are far more qualified to dominate most academic fields. This isn't racism, or hate, this is purely speaking the truth. Asians are under-represented. You don't believe me? Go to Asia. Japan has 80hr work week, Korean students are in school for amost 15 to 20 hours per day. Things never close in Asia. Most shops are 24 hour. You know why? It's because Asian students don't have time during the day to work since they have school. They need to work at late night or early morning to work, not to mention a lot of family run business and restaurants simply won't survive to close earlier than their competition. When you take individuals from these environments to America, of course they should dominate. Right now, it's not a domination, as it should be. And they deserve it because they went through far more enduring pain of pressure and hardwork than we can ever imagine.
*they waste 200% of time to get the same job done.
I fixed that for you. It is well known that asian spent more times at work then they actually work. In asian countries (like Korea) it is inappropriate to leave the work before your boss, so people will just sit there doing nothing.
@Europa Man Protesting or surrendering?
If this were true, East Asians should be dominating in business by 200%, but they are not. The reason is because East Asians are not trained to think analytically.
Don't compare the average American to East Asians in the US. East Asians in America = 4%. You need to compare the top 4% of White Americans with East Asians. Obviously, it is the top 4% of White Americans who dominate the upper managerial/executive seats in companies. If you make a fair comparison with the top 4% of Whites, obviously East Asians in the US have still much to learn about how to properly compete in the real market, e.g. East Asians in the US tend to be from working class families, usually 1st or 2nd generation college graduate, 1st generation home owners in the US, attends public school rather than private school, etc.
I agree. Asian tend to suffered lots because they lost in war against america. I reseached the history, the reason america win is because of the individuality itself, and we lose because we have collectivity that i call "slavery mentality" system. We asian have protocol mentality, that means we are self critical as society are critical to you.
When things are in emergency, we instead wait to higher ups management for next instructions, while america people already analyzed the situation and goals, then move to reach the goals, they dont care if management against or not. That would mean we win in the group but we lost in the group too. That's the reason why we lost from america. Hardwork are just no more than demon's whisper created by business people so they can caged you mentality.
In reality, those who win are those who are willing to take the risk.
I am gonna ask question to you : how many times you always beat-up by america before you're satisfied?
Twice as good
Half the chance
Most Asian Americans I know are hard working and complain less but they are usually not into office politics.
I'd take a higher salary over a managerial position title though
How to break the ceiling? Open your own business.
@Jason Luo not really. opening a company is difficult and risky and many of the traditonal parents in Asia may prefer their kids to live stably.
@Jason Luo OK, everything is semi true though.
Kevin Huang true, why do you think America is so racist to successful minorities? Because they want to keep us in our place. That’s why I admire the Asians so much... y’all work your asses off even through adversity, I hope y’all make it. I wish my black people were the same
@@icedynamite1560 Black America is socially more accepted than Asians in Western. Culture. They are more cool than us.
Get rid of Pepsico and find a company that doesn't poison its patrons.
Jojo Jo hi 5, or maybe they need to sponsor you to change your mind lol
Jojo Jo do not drink it stupid.
Wait Deloitte? I was there for a school tour!!😂
Think about :How the CEO of top 15 software companies , including Microsoft, IBM are from India?
Interesting theory
South Asian Americans are not necessarily viewed as "Asians" by whites. Asians are mostly viewed as coming from East Asia.
Sadly, Asian generally means East Asians. They exclude, Russia, turkey, India, and even some Southeast Asia. Why? So they could say all Asians look alike, just like the “model minority myth”, and when we don’t fit the stereotype, one suddenly becomes “not Asian enough”
The bamboo ceiling doesn't affect Indian males for some reason
The US is a land of endless opportunities. I wouldn't be able to afford an MBA from where I came from. It's always a constant struggle but it's worthwhile when you get to the top.
I learnt in being in the Air Force stationed in Japan, Korea and Philippines that you do not have to be loud and complaining that you are not being treated fairly but to stay on the road until the dirt, mud and rocks evaporates and smooth roads become the norm. Many African Americans can learn from Asian Americans about this issue. So I am thankful for having lived in those countries and learn things that help me today.
Thankyou america for giving us the right environment
Indians are an exception
Plenty of Indian CEOs
oh my God. This title is sooooo racist.
It's a real term lol
That's what I thought😂😂😂😂
yeah a real racist term lol
not in China
Agreed , why not call it the yellow ceiling and get it over with .
You break the bamboo ceiling you got do it yourself. Open your own company.
Exactly! Do just that and hire asians and minorities and promote fairly
Wrong! Middle Eastern descent is NOT Asian. If they are then why isn't Russians considered "Asian?"
Middle east is in Asia. Middle East is west asia.
Russia is geographically an Asian country. There are a lot of Russians north of the Chinese border who look like Chinese.
India and Pakistan are not in the middle East they're South Asian countries.
Many Russians call themselves Asian, but white in color. And not all Chinese are Asian looking. Mind blowing right? Just like when I travel outside America, and most people can’t understand how I’m American, but have Asian features. I prefer to call myself Yellow, rather than Asian American. Just like Many whites don’t like being called European Americans cause it makes them sound like they Fresh Off the Boat.
Why do they call it bamboo ceiling. I thought the saying was glass ceiling.
They couldn't find another narrator? This one can barely read the promptor.
Most Asians are business owners vs working in corporate America! When I worked and lived in Seattle for Paccar Inc, we only had one Asian lady. When I worked for the IRS, one Asian lady. Now that I live in Houston, we have two Asian dudes in my office. Now if you work in the Tech industry, you will see more Asians etc.
Tigerbelly Bobby lee broke through the bamboo ceiling in comedie
Wow that is a great example. I remember when he kept talking about how managers kept gaslighting him. Crazy he changed the game
Do you remember what episode he said that on. I kept hearing him talk about how badly they treated him
Yeah but that number is growing now. It's pretty common in the healthcare and STEM sectors to see Asians being in managerial positions. Maybe not so in other industries. But I work in healthcare and every single one of my manager or supervisor or executive had been Asian, so far. I think it might have to do with the sector, I don't see very many asians in Marketing or Sales sectors.
How? Be excellent at what they do and work their way up to the top. Work hard and work smart. Of course.
1) Those stats are from five tech companies willing to release this information. The bigger picture might be different.
2) how is this underrepresentation when asians make up 5 or so percent of the country?
Open to discussion over here
If anybody really cares..I was thinking about the situation. It gets a little bit more complicated. These companies are located in the bay area, and apparently the bay area consist of approximately 30 % asian or so. Still, you have to factor in the % of asians and % of whites and % of whoever that actually make it into these companies to begin with.
There is a simpler way of looking at it though.
You look at the % of a company that is asian and a % of a company that is white. You then find out the % of asians or whites that make it to the leadership position. You compare those values. Those values are basically expressions of "How many of a racial group within a company is in the leadership position". And I took the time to look at google's data (you can find it on diversity.google). Indeed, there is a discrepancy, at least in google. The % of total whites that are in leadership position is 1.56 times the % of total asians that are in leadership position.
Bottom line (for google): Within the company, whites are favored for the leadership position. Is this necessarily because of racism alone? Absolutely not. It's probably multifactorial. Could it involve racism? Yes.
Exactly when they said only half are executives WELL DUH NOT EVERYONE WILL BE AN EXECUTIVE SMU
Wait what about indians
It's not even due to cultural difference misunderstandings, White people just like to help their own people employed and hold on to power. White people promote White people in decision making roles, the ethnics are only meant to be placed in operating roles. White people would prefer to give decision making roles to White candidates with no university or college degrees rather than the ethnic who's done a master. They say they prefer candidates with experience, but the trick is to provide work experience more readily to White people than ethnics. That way White people would always have that advantage. Also overseas work experiences don't count other than from Commonwealth Countries (White) when it comes to getting work in Australia. It saves White people a degree. This is corporate Australia for you. Look at universities, commerce students are 80% ethnic and 20% white these days, however graduate roles 80% who get a job is White and only 20% of grads are ethnic.
When they hire an ethnic to fill the role of a White, they expect the ethnic to stay back, and generally less pay. Also in analytical roles, they prefer the ethnic to do the grunt work and give them the numbers to do decision making, saves them time. They would make important company information available to themselves and not keep the ethnic in the loop for the decision making, therefore Whites are always 1 step ahead. The ethnic would be given only instructions but not the why to get something done. Also key positions like data mining, are usually reserved for Whites to monopolise the entire information loop. information and data is power in an organisation.
Now tell me which part of the above is due to cultural misunderstanding?
This is true. But all cultures practice this. Say Hispanic owned companies, black companies, Asian companies. All tend to promote within the race, and maybe have a few token “outsider” for PR
@@Ecoean I acknowledge that is true to some extent. However to hire someone without a degree over someone with a Master degree for a technical role, albeit entry level, is too light for the word preference its prejudice. Basically means there's nothing someone can do to improve their situation and social mobility is determined by race and what you for fun. That's when the frustration kicks in.
Is there a bug on her nose. Why is the host staring at her nose?
Pakistanis are apart of the greater middle east and south asia
Half the country is Iranic
what wrong with her eyes
Kurkure is pepsi whaaaaaaat
Yes
Bamboo ceiling? Is that not cringily borderline racist? Why don't just say panda ceiling or chopsticks ceiling then.
Southeast Asians ie Indians, Pakistanis etc... are culturally more outgoing in their own countries. Not comparable to East Asians. That’s why they are at C-levels in Western companies. East Asians ie Chinese, Koreans are more reserved and less Westernized culturally as well as less united as one compared to other minorities in the US.
Pakistan is not westernized at all
East Asians are way more westernized than south asians
E.g. Microsoft, Google , MasterCard, Pepsi, Adobe etc all CEO are Indian. The reason Asian are more successful because their family bond and support is robust. Education is part of their daily oxygen. Moreover, within Asian groups and their family they support each other zillion times more than any other race.
Indian men are represented not Asian men
Where is she looking
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Just because there is a disparity or misrepresentation in a certain field, that does not mean there is a mystical force that is impeding a certain group of people from entering that field. The fact that there are 27% of Asian Americans in the professional field and 14% of Asian Americans in the executive field destroys the whole notion of a "bamboo ceiling".
uhh, black and hispanic scientists and engineers have more chance of being promoted into upper management in science than asians when asians get the most citation on average than other people in engineering and science.
Moelo zofo
Agreed. There ARE non-discriminatory factors at play.
They should’ve had the narrator look into a different camera and film her from an angle to reduce her extremely crossed eyes.
You should learn to be nice to people that are paying for your shelter, food and clothing.... maybe consider getting a job
MrRevelation2012 asians? As in me?? I’m korean lol
@@breaknfiction21 I live in LA... lol.... don't talk about koreans....I know koreans...lol
MrRevelation2012 I don’t even know what your saying at this point. You’re telling me, an actual Korean, not to talk about koreans?...ok
MrRevelation2012 anyways don’t assume all suggestions/criticism are racially/sexually/politically/etc motivated. The host has has an unsettling gaze that could be improved with good camera angles. Just like how certain angles make certain people look more attractive. It was just an objective suggestion.
East Asians make up 4-5% of the US population, so fair would look like this: professional: 4-5%, executive: 4-5%. (0:26)
Boo hoo
Ewww her eyes
Ewww ur eyes
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Why don’t they work in china ???