Simple. Effective. But how strong?
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
- The housed mortise and tenon. It's a bomb proof joint. But it just takes so dang long to cut. So I've come up with a variation that is just as strong and way more efficient. I hope it's a helpful little bit of info for you.
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As a handtool woodworker who is getting into cabinet building ive been doing something similar for years. A dowelled dado.
I did a variation with dowels. I drill and drive them from the outside. I do 'toe nail' them, drilling and driving at a slight angle for a pinching effect. Used that in house framing forever...
Just finished the segment, you answered my question at the end,thanks.
I love it when a plan (and a joint) comes together.
I will be trying this joinery method. Thank you!
I've done STOPPED dados w/ THROUGH mortise and wedged tenons on stool shelves/braces before but realized it was akin to using a three ton floor jack to drop the transmission out of my S-10 so I just went with the through mortise and wedged tenons.
Look at you moving up in the world!! Well done. You are awesome
Thanks for another educational video. I´m new to the woodworking community and trying to figure out different approaches and tecniques. You really inspire me to do things the right way rather than the fast way. Thank you for that. Happy holidays //Tino
Excellent video as always. Did my first stopped dado on a box with inserts this week and it turned out pretty well. Always more to learn.
Love to hear it!
The tablesaw shoulder was an F'n brilliant idea, so simple. Very cool idea. I think I'm going to design one of these jigs on my CNC milled out of acrylic. I personally hate jigs too, but this one certainly seems to be something that will save time in the long run.
Thanks Erik. Not sure I needed another reason to buy a domino (LOL), but this is one that I didn't think of before. Love your content. Hope you have a great Holiday!
Haha happy to give you yet another reason my friend. Happy holidays!
Very cool video~! I just purchased a Domino about a month ago, so I'll be keeping this technique in mind for future projects. Looks like an extremely strong joint, especially for hanging cabinets that don't have a trapped bottom panel. Thanks for sharing this~!
So much knowledge and teaching skills. It's a pleasure to watch these videos!
Thank you!
Love the approach and video! Very informative.
Yes! Please make the plans! Very much appreciate it
Always a great time watching your videos Eric. Have a Merry Christmas and thanks again for all of your inspiring work this year.
Great information. Thank you!
Great idea! Merry Christmas.
Eric (k?), I hope this will encourage you. I am new to woodworking (2 summers) and don't think I could replicate much of what you do (and not because of tools). And this doesn't bother me in the least. You are a fantastic craftsman. I get tips watching your work and listening to your explanations, things that help me consider new ways of looking at projects. I love watching woodworking that exceeds my abilities, and your demeanor in explaining what you are doing and thinking makes watching your channel such a pleasure. And..., thank you for having a woodworking channel that does woodworking. I have no intention of ever doing this for more than a hobby, it's a stress reliever for me and I don't want to lose that.
Anyway, thank you. Keep doing what you are doing, so that this old pastor can keep dreaming big dreams. Happy New Year. Tony
Congratulations on your sponsorship! I am not a Festool guy but I recognize the quality but as a hobbyist, I am not a hater but cannot justify the cost.
Thanks for the video Eric, Happy Christmas and NewYear.👍👍
Another great lesson as always.
I just deleted text complaining about the Aussie $2,000 cost of a Festool 500 domino tool here. And then the final part of your video exposed me to the dowel x dado joint. 1 month ago I made a shelving unit with 12 shelves. All with hand cut sliding tapered dovetale joints. A good experience but I'm thinking the doweled dado next time. Thanks. I learnt something again from you
This was so helpful! Thank you! Happy Holidays!
Glad it was helpful! And likewise!
Great video. Thanks for sharing your excellent and creative work.
Glad you ejoyed my friend.
@ENcurtis Great content once again. Wanted to let you know that I created my first "thing" since I was in high school. I bought some art for my wife and built a frame out of a slab of walnut I bought cheap. I even got to try resawing the slab with my table saw. All went well and I am set to install the points tonight and wrap it up. Turned out excellent. Thanks for the great content that gives us newbies the confidence to get out and build a "thing."
Oh, and I reinforced the miters with 1/4" dowels as the frame was quite thin at 7/16." Worked out wonderfully.
great instructional content that's what i look to you for... Love it
I sure enjoy your content and appreciate the videos you put out.
17:56 For me, as a hobby woodworker, I have shied away from the domino. This has been mainly due to quite enjoying cutting mortise and tenon joints and of course I am not in a hurry to churn work out.
This video is the first I have seen that makes a really good case for owning one as I do a lot of casework and have worried about tension on dado joints in the past. I do not enjoy cutting sliding dovetails so will probably get the domino as a more palatable alternative. Thank you.
New to the woodworking community and genuinely enjoy your videos and style. I'd be very interest in the plans to the jig you made and apply the same to my evolving skillset.
👍👍👍👍👍although i don't currently have a domino, i appreciate the content as it helps me rethink how I've been building carcasses.
As always, great video, and I am looking forward to trying this technique.
Hope you enjoy it!
As always another amazing video I would definitely be interested in plans for this jig. Thanks for sharing and Merry Christmas and Happy New Year
When I was starting to learn woodworking, my uncle who was a master craftsman, made most of shelf joints with sliding dados. So I had to learn, thru trial and error, how to make this joint. Glad we now have dominos, biscuits, etc., because over 60 years ago we did not. Thanks Erik, for all your informative videos. Look forward to watching them from a master craftsman like yourself. Merry Christmas to you and yours. Semper Fi bud.
Thanks, Will. Merry Christmas brother.
It was another great coffee morning and a video. And to answer the question, i think if you built plans for anything, it would be a great way for me to support your channel, and i would be happy to buy them. Thanks for another great video
*sees the MDF guide on the wall, puts on sunglasses* Looks like the jig is up. YEEEEEAAAAAHHH
thank you Eric.
i never knew! brilliant 👏🏾
Great video & Merry Christmas!
Thank you and likewise!
I think that is awesome and I would purchase a jig for sure. Love your channel .
I totally agree with you Eric, I have a domino joiner and make chairs with it on a regular basis. I recently had a job putting the finishing touches on a stairs case and the domino places the balesters perfectly 😂
I like the versatility of this, and the strength it adds. I also like that if you don't have a domino, you can still make the mortises by swapping a smaller bit and plunging deeper at measured intervals without changing the fence whatsoever. Step down from a 1/2" to a 1/4" and boom! perfectly centered mortises. A bit more layout, but definitely a good option.
Really enoy your videos, thanks for sharing. I would echo several other posts in asking how you perfectly centered the dominos in the thickness of the male tenon. It would seem that those also have to be perfectly centered in order for this joint to fit properly.
Okay then. I like your stuff and your style (or lack thereof!). And I am an amateur wood worker, furniture maker and this makes a difference. Because I seldom make things for sale and when I do my clients know that they had better be patient, time and efficiency are not really a factor in my construction methods. Interest and fun are. To that end, when I have to make carcasses I will somethings use some version of a sliding dovetail, stopped for example. It is easy enough to make with a router jig and will hold against vertical forces almost to the death. Now you are a far better maker than I and so I am sure you have considered this type of joint. The only real short coming I can see for it is that it can be hard to assemble if you get the tolerances too tight.
Trying to center my Domino has been my bane - so I'd cut the mortices first, then the dado. With your jig, that kinda says dado first, Domino last. Never ever considered this joint, even on sleepless nights; but dang. You make a good point. Happy Holidays.
I have been watching your videos and hoping you would make a video on this very topic!! I am looking forward to taking your Textured Whiskey Cabinet class at MASW in June and learning many more techniques from you. I would really enjoy the chance to make this jig in my shop so I can work with this new joinery technique. I just bought a Domino for Christmas and look forward to using it for these housed mortise and tenon joints. Thanks, Mike
As always an awesome video, never would have thought about doing this.
Thanks Jeff!
@@ENCurtis I hope you have a great holiday season!
I really like this jig! It’s pretty slick looking! I’d be interested in a set of plans.
I can certainly see how took like the Domino or Shaper Origin would help a small shop stay competitive. For now, a bit of tool envy in my part. 😉. Thanks for sharing your housed mortise and tenon explanation & happy holidays Eric!
Haha thanks and likewise!
Enjoyed.
As many people i agree that the price point of the domino is a huge Hurdle to get over. That being said, the acuracy and build quality is probably even greater than you might imagine. I was fortunate enough to be in the position to pick onw up about a year ago and holy crap! I dont think ive made many joints without it since. And did i mention it was accurate? 😁
The price point is absolutely a hurdle for some folks, but it's truly a game changer. Glad you've been enjoying yours!
I totally second this, it’s one of those tools that you wonder if it’s really worth the money. Then when you finally buy it, you kick yourself for not buying it sooner. It’s a game changing tool, so much so that I bought the other domino a few months later. (Professional user in the Marine industry)
Wouldn’t it be less complicated to use a sliding dovetail instead of a straight dado?
Almost forgot merry Xmas and thanks for your guidance.
Eric, please make a set of plans for the jig. Thanks and keep the videos coming!
You could also keep the bottom from falling off with a sliding dovetail.
Festool as a sponsor, WOW that's great ! Thank you so much for all your time and effort. What do you think about Swelling Biscuits ? Why, because I have a biscuit cutter. You know I love that book in the background. Thanks again,, 1 in 7.
Biscuits are great! Use them all the time. For a joint in tension, however, they might not be ideal.
Cool jig and I have both the router and domino you were using. I have never used that joint, I would like to make a jig like that to make that joint in the future.
Thanks, I will give this joint a try. It's interesting that the Festool router is in Imperial and the Domino is in metric.
That is brilliant. I never thought about the fact that a mortise is a high-aspect-ratio blind-dado. 🤣
I would totally want a plan for this!
I recently asked the question about how to do this joint on the sedgetool channel. I just make a jelly cabinet yesterday. I used my of1400 to do the dado and wondered how to add dominos and get the spacing and the DEPTH right.
Just found your channel and really enjoy your style and content. I would be very interested in plans for that jig. I subscribed to help you on your 100k goal. Looking forward to learning from you, as I reach for my goal to move from making functional outdoor projects to finer interior ones. Cheers!
Any advice on how to adjust Domino to make sure that the cut placement on the positive piece is dead center (thickness dimension)?
The truth is that his dominos are not exactly dead center, even though he said that they were. I went back and watched the video several times and if you watch real closely you can see that his domino mortises are closer to one edge than the other. So in reality you still need to pay attention in how your material is oriented.
I need to go measure what the centerline is on my Domino since I am pretty sure that it is something north of 10mm.
Another thought: floating tenons versus dowels. If long-grain-to-long-grain gluing is sufficiently desirable, then in this joint dowels are better. The long-grain on the side of of the floating tenon mostly contacts short grain in dadoed board. But then I doubt this matters much. Thoughts?
thank you a very helpful demonstration. I'll use the dowel version on my current project being a vey new woodworker, bout 2.5 years. My question is rather off topic from one bearded dude to another what dust mask would you recommend I've tried several and still feel like I'm breathing dust. Your tutorials are extremely helpful.
I’d appreciate plans! AND commentary on whether there’s a way to use a biscuit joiner for either of these operations-I’m assuming biscuits themselves add insufficient strength over even dowels, but I found myself wondering when you mentioned budget.
I would love some plans for this jig, love your videos
Genius, would love to see dimensioned plans for the jig. Agree the Domino is a must have for a serious woodworker, love mine.
I gotchu 👊
Awesome video. Plans would be cool.
I like this joint. I am going to go try a few. 11:30 I am vascillating. Whether figuring out the secondary fence for the domino is easier. Or if just throwing the right size bit in the router and cutting the dado side mortices with it. You are already setup to be centered, so it's just lateral placement and width that's an issue then. And I am assuming those don't need to be perfect (depending on application), so are freehandable... I'll try both.
Great video, as usual. The use of positive/negative as opposed to male/female, is that a new thing? Never heard it used in a woodworking context before. Thanks for posting. Mark
Thanks for another great educational video. Would you suspect this could also be used on a biscuit jointer?
A minor tweak to the jig; put a hinge on the extra piece so that, when you’ve cute the dado, you can just flip that piece over to align the domino.
Really interesting, thanks for sharing . One question even tho off topic - what is this kind a cool glas you’re wearing at the table saw 😅?
Just received one of your shirts during our family Christmas gift exchange yesterday! Don't have a Domino yet, but would like plans. My issue right now is building an assembly / outfeed table for my shop. Let's talk!
What kept popping into my head was "housed dowels". Ah! I see you got there as well.
Thanks for another great video! I noticed when you use your Festool router against a fence, you ride the flat part of the router plate along the fence. Does that pose an issue of having to keep the router body from rotating in the slightest so your cut is the perfect distance from the fence versus just running the round part of the router plate against the fence where some rotation of the router body would be permitted without affecting the distance of the bit from the fence? Just curious on that method. Many thanks.
Great video. Plans would be awesome.
Noted!
I wouldn't call that joint bougie at all. As someone who does dadoes with a router, this would be way easier than getting the sizing exact taking multiple passes. Just do one undersized and then it's a simple adjustment to the router/fence to trim the rabbets for a perfect fit. MUCH easier and as a bonus probably gives you a little additional racking strength too.
I love it. However I can see a slight modification for those without a Domino. Dado first, mortise with an appropriate sized router bit plunged at tenon/mortise locations. Then maybe use a Morley jig for the floating tenons in the ends of the board. 👍
That's essentially what I've been doing for years. Never woulda crossed my mind to do a floating tenon since it's not hard to just drop the router bit on the second pass to make the mortises.
Make the plan please or a printable template. Great teaching as always.
18:38 I would buy plans for that jig, provided they were not as costly as a festool domino. I’ve become a recent fan of your videos.
This is obviously a good joint for additional mechanical strength. But in most cases for this application if I wanted strength, both mechanical and from the glue, I would use a sliding dovetail. It would also be best for wood movements because in a hardwood panel you would only glue the front allowing the panel to expand toward the back. With the wood trapped by the tenons, wouldn't it have a chance of splitting the panel?
His grain direction (and therefore the wood movement) is in the same direction and won’t cause failure. Still, your point is right enough. A slider would work.
Hi, why did you use the flat face of your router base instead of the round one to reference against your fence ? Thx
First thought, as a couple people have mentioned, was if you’re using a bushing instead of a fence like Eric did, you could cut both the dado and mortise with the router using two different bits and no extra setup. Would require changing bits or using a second router with the same size bushing but definitely cheaper than a domino. Love the jig and the video!
I also thought that at first, but how do you get the dowel holes centered on the positive piece? Now you need another jig...which is what I'd have to do since I don't have a domino either.
@@user-kb6vm6cu5m i would just use a 1/4 bit in the router and just plug down to make a hole for the dowel, that way you use the same jig. I have an issue with dowels to begin with just because you have to be so precise with lining them up. Would rather use the router to make floating mortises.
Love the concept! Could you cut the domino first and then the dado? Would that be easier to keep the domino centered?
I am enjoying your content very professional and informative the . But I have a couple of comments. It seems to me it might have been easier to just route the mortises with the router seeming as it’s already st for the correct location. With the strength in the joint in the side grain contact it could aford to have some play. Also I don’t like the left to right router direction. Routing left to right pulls the router against the fence and has a much less chance of the bit wandering.Thanks for the video and please keep them coming.
Mark
I for one am happy Festool is sponsoring you on this video. Trying to get that comment in early before all the Festool haters get in their two cents in the comment section
Much obliged my good man!
@encurtis what is that sign over your left shoulder?
If you don't mind showing the joinery, I have used through mortise and (floating) tenons into an assembled dado joint. Real easy, you get the full width of the perpendicular piece and you can go as deep as you want into the corresponding piece.
Love your woodworking style Eric and your videos are so informative. As a beginner, I am no where near your level of craftmanship but I am curious. Would it be easier or as precise to do the domino before the dado? I am just trying to get out of making a jig. LOL
That is what I was thinking, seems to me that it takes another measurement point away which IMO is always a good thing, as you would just line up pencil marks like you do when you don’t use a dado slot. Personally do not like the shoulder in the dado either why make an edge thinner?, but that is just my thinking and I could be wrong.
Could you find center of the dado, then cut the mortise first, then cut the dado?
Doesn't like jigs, then proceeds to make a jig to make the joinery.
When is the sliding dovetail appropriate & what's the difference from this enhanced dado?
Eric, thanks for showing us a really interesting joint, very neat. One question: since you've got the perfect router jig set up already, why not cut the floating tenon slots first with an upcut bit and then cut the dado? Not a festool hater here, they're nice tools, it's just that you've got the router out already.
You could absolutely do that but if the name of the game is efficiency, swapping out router bits with each layout is a huge time suck. However if you don't own a domino that is a perfectly reasonable approach!
I just use a long dovetail works great to keep the bottom in place just need a dovetail bit and a router table
Would a sliding dovetail work as well or not?
Hey Erik. Very inspiring and entertaining video. One more ;-). May I ask, what is that pointed router bit you use to center the router on the center line. And why are you routing with the straight side of the router at the "fence" instead of the rounded side? If the router (or rather the router bit) is correctly calibrated, the rounded side will be less prone to misalignment, isn't it? Thank for explaining. Cheers from Germany Thorsten
Thanks. I appreciate your approach to problem-solving. What do you think about using a sliding dovetail joint? Wouldn't that be a little easier to produce? BTW - I really like your finish formula.
Honestly it really depends on your setup. If you've got sliding dovetails really dialed in with a good jig, it may be. But they can often be finicky. And if anything is just out of square or flat, forget about it. But yes, they are a useful tool to keep in the arsenal as well.
Sliding dovetail works well on 2 opposing joints (ie sliding a shelf in), add a third or a fourth (ie base and top of a cabinet) and assembly becomes very complicated.
Could you put the second fence on the other side of you jig base? If the 2-1/2” to the right and 10mm to the left would allow both tools to do their jobs, then one jig for both steps without moving anything.
Did you sample the domino for the pop sound effect?