Funny thing is that every dollar bill has to have a serial number to make it legal, but The illegals that are in this country don't have to even be a US citizen to vote, Trump needs to fix the CIA, FBI ATF USDA FEMA and Jail The Rino's that voted against the bill for US citizens voting.
I have a blackpowder revolver that doesnt have any numerical registration. Gun registration has good and bad points, but it's really phucked up that the Mexican government is granted a list of all registered, American gun-owners!
@@ghostwriter1415 I'm curious, where did the _Mexican_ govt get one? It's illegal for the US government or it's agencies to have a list. The pro gun Senators made it clear in the ATF hearing (over that no knock warrant on the Airport exec Malinowski) that a registry is illegal.
That is very true. The second amendment couldn't be any clearer. It's the clarity of the law that causes a problem. Any law that restricts "the people" from owning a bearing a weapon, whoever the "people" are, and whatever the weapon is, is a violation of the second amendment. If it is in fact true that there are situations where it is right and appropriate to restrict the rights of any Americans to bear any weapons - Islamic terrorists and nuclear bombs come immediately to mind - the second amendment needs to be amended. I would suggest that the following; "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be - unreasonably - infringed." That one word would allow courts to decide that gang members should not be allowed to bring sawed off shotguns into a courtroom, or that a juvenile Sheldon Cooper should not be allowed to purchase weapons-grade uranium for his science fair project.
@peterwilson8039 The government should never have the option as to what may be reasonable or not. What ts "reasonable " for the people doesn't seem to ever apply to them.
@@firestarter105G In fact what happens now is that contraventions of the second amendment are allowed if, in the judgement of the judge, the contraventions are consistent with the intent of those who wrote the amendment. I’d rather judges allow contraventions based on reasonability, than upon the judges ability to read the mind of somebody who’s been dead for 200 years. Take the issue of weapons grade uranium, which you cannot buy, only because you could make a weapon out of it. Preventing people from arming themselves with nuclear weapons is a clear contravention of the second amendment. Do we really care about the founding father’s opinions on this issue? Isn’t it more important to consider the reasonableness of the restriction. It’s a similar issues with banning weapons on airplanes.
Prior to 1968 serial numbers were not REQUIRED on FIREARMS!!!! If you make your own, you are not REQUIRED to serialize the weapon unless you plan to sell it!!!!
Post 1968, laws against obliterating serial numbers are unconstitutional. I currently have a case to challenge 18usc922(k) in federal court. PS there are prior suits also like a federal court decision in the Southern District of the United States District Court for West Virginia case No. 2:22-cr-00097 Opinion and Order issued October 12, 2022 which contained in pertinent part: “The burden falls on the Government to “affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the [or analogous to a] historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.” Id. at 2127. The Government has not done so here, and I have no choice but to find 18 U.S.C. § 922(k) unconstitutional.” Id. REVERSED by Fourth Circuit en banc - 22-4609 Doc: 88 Filed: 08/06/2024 But with well reasoned DISSENTS by Judge RICHARDSON and GREGORY
Been a cop for 12 years. We had a pretty major gang case a few years back, and in the course of that, we recovered an old Sears shotgun from the mid-60's. Never was able to find a serial number, even after checking all the possible locations where that model ever had a serial number, and after some research discovered that it never had one and predated the gun control act. Found out later that the local DA's office tried to charge him for having a gun with an altered or abolished serial number, so I had to explain how they can't charge him with that, as it never had a serial number to be altered or destroyed.
@@fuelfreak108 pretty rare to find an officer who would actually go to court to make sure that a false charge like that didn't get pinned on someone even if they were not an outstanding citizen
@@dinadaughtry8993 It was just a lucky catch. My agency didn't charge him with that, but the local DA tried to tack it on at the indictment. I just happened to speak to the detective on the case and he mentioned something about the fact that the DA's office had added that charge, so I explained it and he made a call to the DA's office and got it dismissed. I think it was just ignorance on the part of the prosecutors. If you don't respect the rights of the worst criminals, it's just a slippery slope from there to total tyranny, so it really can't be tolerated.
These cops that immediately jump to "no serial number hurdur" really irritate me. I'm VERY well-versed in our constitution, federal code, my state statutes, and my local ordinances. I'm also a veteran and now a Sheriff's Deputy and K9 Handler. I cannot stand it when I get sent to a call for backup because there's a firearm involved (even if it's just there...) and the first thing I hear from the primary is "he's got a deserialized firearm." First off, here's how I teach my rookies: Is it ACTUALLY DE- serialized, or just UN-serialized. There's a difference and it's very important. If the serial number has been removed or defaced, yes, we have a problem. If it's just never been there, we very likely do not have a problem. Is it an 80%? Can you prove that it isn't an 80% if you think it's not? Is it an antique that was never issued a serial? Is it a legal homemade firearm that has never transferred in ownership? SO MUCH of that is never asked or even thought of. They just assume that it's illegal because "Oooh gun scary bad!" Fucking amateurs... It's a waste of time and resources. Nut up. You were issued a firearm too.
@@Killswitch1411 ever hear of the missing firearms shipped to FFLs? Criminals are everywhere. At least shipped to your home, where you sign for it …. No reason for the restrictions
@@Killswitch1411 So you just have it shipped when you are at home and require a signature for delivery and have insurance. They do that with anything valuable.
The ATFE itself should be deemed unconstitutional, along with every law passed that even mentions firearms. "shall not be infringed" should have meaning as it's not just a suggestion.
I'm envious of the days before the GCA of 1968. My dad and grandfather frequently talked about mail order guns to the door and also guns sold in military surplus stores or hardware stores that were in barrels or crates, pick and choose the war relic you wanted out of a pile, no ID, no paperwork, cash and carry out the door like a box of nails.
serial numbers should ONLY be for manufacturers benefit and like a matress tag, removable by owner, otherwise govt will start abusing general use scratches as things get older as "alteration"
@@stopatredlightsthere are a lot of guns that don't have any serial numbers still out there, made when America was a free nation and you didn't lose your second amendment rights after you completed your sentence if you did something wrong, but you didn't get out with no bail and you actually had to serve your sentence in a not so nice place
I personally think mandating serial numbers raises concerns for those who value privacy and gun rights, especially with the current push against 'ghost guns.' At what point do we cross the line between reasonable regulation and infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens?
They crossed that line with the NFA in 1934. It's been infringement after infringement since then. A death by 1000 cuts so to speak. All of it needs to be repealed in order to be in compliance with our constitution.
You can still make your own with Ghost Gunner III. If the price is prohibitive, go in on one with buddies. Or, if you know how to machine, make it that way.
I told a police officer that it was an antique handed down from my great-grandfather. And so it didn't have a serial number because it was an antique. And it worked because somehow people think antique guns are less dangerous. It was actually a Harrington Richardson break action revolver chambered in 38 Smith & Wesson long. Precursor of 38 special.
So what about a state like Nevada that prohibits firearms w/o numbers? My understanding of the law and Constitution is that states can't restrict a right the US Constitution guarantees. They can make more free laws, but not less free laws. So how do we fight back on states that restrict rights guaranteed by the USC?
as a resident of Nevada it's my understanding the law you are referencing was over turned and tossed as part of it was deemed unconstitutional after it was appealed .. The Governor has also stated he will not sign any anti 2A legislation
The judicial branch. I currently have a case to challenge 18usc922(k) in federal court. There are other prior suits also, like a federal court decision in the Southern District of the United States District Court for West Virginia case No. 2:22-cr-00097 Opinion and Order issued October 12, 2022 which contained in pertinent part: “The burden falls on the Government to “affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the [or analogous to a] historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.” Id. at 2127. The Government has not done so here, and I have no choice but to find 18 U.S.C. § 922(k) unconstitutional.” Id. . . . BUT . . . REVERSED by Fourth Circuit en banc - 22-4609 Doc: 88 Filed: 08/06/2024 But with well reasoned DISSENTS by Judge RICHARDSON and GREGORY
Anticipating the NFA of 1968 I bought my first handgun, a Ruger Mark I, in an adjacent state in early October 1968. I was 17! I used to think my first 22 from Sears Roebuck had a serial number, but I dug it out recently and it turned out to be a model number.
I had a duty pistol that the serial number obliterated from holster wear it almost was a problem. That's why newer guns have the numbers in low spots that are protected
And did the GCA do anything ? Not really except you can't buy from mail order any more for the most part, in other words it interfered with my life but not the bad guy as much as me.
In the mid 1970s my kids gifted me a CVA Flintlock Pistol Kit for Christmas. We lived in Albany NY, the second most anti-gun city in the second most anti-gun state in the union, NY City and Massachusetts, respectively, being the leaders. I knew and if they didn't know they knew people who did, that a class of antiques and replicas were not considered "firearms" under NY's existing laws and thus were legal to possess, sell, and so on. Great and very thoughtful gift, and I spent many months joyfully digging deep in my woodworking and metalworking skill sets and created a masterful display piece, period accurate rust blue (complete with a fingerprint on the bottom of the barrel compliments of careless handling during the bluing process) and 7 hand rubbed coats of boiled linseed oil finish over a boiled walnut shell stain. I did cheat on the brass furniture and used Brasso to polish it. Proudly displayed on out coffee table in the living room it was a nice conversation starter. Being an NRA instructor and even qualified to teach NY State's required class to obtain a pistol permit (which I did not have, see above about Albany) I also knew about NY's "Gotcha!" loophole in the law; that although that class of guns were not considered "firearms" there was a circumstance that would change that, to wit; possessing the components necessary to load and fire such guns. In other words, a muzzle loading gun was not a firearm except if powder and projectiles were possessed also, even "on the same premises." Being aware of this I also knew that if the gun was rendered otherwise unfireable, it still was not considered a firearm, so before bluing I poured a lead slug into the chamber and then "spiked" the flash hole. And then came the day, the following Christmas, when our house was burglarized and the kid responsible pretty much ignored the modern guns in the gun case upstairs and stole, among other things, the replica. When reported to the police only one officer arrived to begin with, but as soon as I mentioned my stolen replica they came just short of sending out SWAT. Uniforms and detectives crawling all over MY house, looking in places they were not supposed to, asking questions that seemed to imply that I was a criminal, and grilling me about why I had the gun without a license, why I did not know the serial number, and so on. Ironically I had, in a fit of attempted and not very well executed artistry, added my initials, inlaid in silver wire on the bottom of the barrel near the lock plate, so on the eventual police report the serial number became "JFL." Eventually I had a Chief of Detectives from the Firearms Division arrive at the house to lecture me about my "probably illegal" possession of a replica firearm, so I produced my NRA and NY State credentials and he eventually left me alone but that didn't stop him from muttering imprecations as he left. They caught the kid, a contemporary of our son, who had been aware that we were going to the movies that afternoon and knew when we were going to be out of the house. He was convicted of felony and misdemeanor charges for firearm theft, B&E, and other stuff, and his mother went all kinds of ballistic on me about leaving a gun in plain sight and therefore I was responsible and on and one. Initially the police were NOT going to return my gun, and then I escalated through the chain of command and secured recognition, again, that it was not anything more than stolen property, not a firearm under the law and that it would be returned, but then they decided it had to be retained as evidence and then it was either lost, or stored in the NY State Police Crime Lab, or maybe the FBI had it, and then it had to be retained until the criminal exhausted his appeals, and so on. I never did get it back. I did get called upon by a NY State Police Crime Lab person who was contending that the gun could be made to fire with little or no effort by melting out the lead plug, but when I challenged him to find the flash hole and clear the spike he couldn't find it because my bluing job was too good. I finally left NY State.
Hell you used to be able to buy them from Sears, JC Penny, Gun Digest and many many more and have them shipped to your door! The anticipation was wonderful. You would get home thinking it might be there then crap it's not here yet. But when it did arrive it was a moment of great joy! Instant gratification isn't all its made out to be!
@@coreydarr8464 That's dangerous! Not having a serial number automatically turns it into a tactical-nuke launching fully-semiautomatic tactical assault rifle of death!
That rule you showed us about guns with obliterated s/ns only comes into play if you sell or purchase that firearm across state lines. No interstate commerce - no problem, right?
I live 5 miles from a state line. and there is a great gun store in the other state, but I need to use an FFL in my state and wait on My Gun to be shipped. But the NIX check is a FEDERAL FIREARMS CHECK
A serial number serves two purposes. One to provide the information necessary to date the year the weapon was manufactured for the purpose of obtaining repair maintenance or collectors information and two to provide a way to track down the owner. The second serves to control you and void your second amendment rights.
Nope. It is to serve the government. Many models of old has either the creator, patent or model type. I have antiques with each. The stamped serial number is for government tracking. When a ffl closes its doors, they have to turn over sales to atf. Atf has a digital database they copy the documents to. Even though the server cannot do a search, any terminal attached can do a search of it using a browser, the system search panel and a dozen other ways.
@@dougied3449All true. And yet the ATF director testifies before Congress that their registry isn't a database because they paid to have the search button removed in one of their programs that would have been able to search PDF's. And no representative is able to quickly pin him down on the lie. 🚮
@@dougied3449 That doesn't narrow down anything enough to troubleshoot what was happening on an assembly line on a particular date so that recalls can be issued, or manufacturing errors can be identified, based upon the idiosyncrasies of a single item produced on the floor, which is what serial numbers are for.
@@keyboardwarrior6296 not so. There are manufacturing and inspection documents for every part, it coincides with the bar code. With that bar code on the paperwork, it can be tracked back to the very person and even the time of day they made the part. I have filled out millions of them being a shift supervisor.
I am 69. In my life I have owned two firearms that didn't have serial numbers. One was a double barrel 12 gauge with a "Fox" brand. Made sometime in the 1940's, and a .410 pistol with an unknown date of manufacture. Wish I had kept them, but sold to a collector.
Strangely the ATF wanting gunsmiths to serialize a gun that wasn't serialized was trying to get them to commit the crime of altering a serial number... which can only be done with a court order that specifically identifies the extant serial number.
Serial numbers serve no real purpose they can be erased off a firearm, by any criminal. just like vehicle Vin numbers don't stop your car from getting stolen and chopped up.
If you own an older Glock, they used to put a serialized metal tab in the receiver that could easily fall out. The uppers are serialized. Most shops won’t even sell them
this is what im hung up on. they do not say intrastate possession, only interstate and foreign. so by that wording i should be allowed to roll around my home state with unserialized OR obliterated serial firearms, without repercussion.
@@tuurd that phrase is used to cover if it has EVER moved across a border for commercial sale. That's how they charged a homeless guy with 'felon in possession of ammunition' for 2 shotgun shells he found in some trash.
I have a pre 1967 .410 break action single shot shotgun that has no serial number or any makers marks what so ever. Not even the .410 caliber on the barrel and it was bought from the sears catalog and delivered to my grandfather home. Just in time for my birth and it was waiting for me when I came home from the hospital from being born. So I literally owned a gun my whole life, you could say it’s part of my heritage.
Vermont state law S.209 (Act 120): An act relating to prohibiting unserialized firearms and unserialized firearms frames and receivers, and unfinished frames and receivers.
Until the enactment of 1968 Gun Control Act, serial numbers weren't required by Federal Law. Today, all commercially produced firearms are required to be serialized. Home built firearms aren't required as long as they are built for yourself. It's suggested, but not legally required.
@@dinadaughtry8993 I worked in IT, both in and out of the military, for more than 30 years. Waaayyy back in 2007, I was managing Servers in Iraq, that stored Relational Databases containing BIOMETRIC data such as height, weight, finger prints, etc AND known associates. Today, we have finger print readers on ATM machines, pay with your palm, pay with your face, gate analysis, facial recognition, retinal scans, voice prints, DNA, geo fencing (cell phones), remote video/audio on WebCams/cell phones/Alexa/Onstar, etc. Instead of triagulation between cell towers (miles apart). You now have 5G antennas on EVERY city block. Antique 2G cell phones could take pictures. But, "modern" EXTREME RESOLUTION phone cameras like the Apple iPhone 16 now boasts a 48MP camera. METADATA embeded in EACH and EVERY picture is uploaded to the cloud, and scoured by the NSA. When "they" want to search for someone attending "an event", YOUR family pictures "at that same event" are flagged for review, to see if the person of interest was walking past you in the background, and can be placed "at the scene of the crime". And, the last example that I want to touch on (in this rant) is the RING Doorbell. Is your delivery being stolen off of your front portch? Is your wife receiving "visitors" after you've left for work? Was there a drive-by bang bang across the street? Yes. License plates can be read from that distance, while moving. I ive in the Philippines, on what used to be Clark Airforce Base. I took my family to a buffett lunch at a hotel & casino today. When I exited the parking, the LED screen displayed that I had been in the parking for 3-hours and 58-minutes. 😳😳😳 I was an unregistered GUEST. It read my license plate, and entered it into a database. The Mark Of The Beast doesn't "need" to be inside you. Google Pink Floyd: The Wall, and read the lyrics. Same for Mike & The Mechanics: Silent Running. Now, go use your TAP To Pay card, to replace the Depends diapers that you just soiled.
No they don't have the first and don't do the second Speaking of the second when I read it it appears to say SHALL NOT be infringed nowhere in it did I read except..... Therefore ALL gun laws are unconstitutional
Another plausible interpretation of the regulaton you cited would be that as long as the fire arm that has been de-serielized is NOT transported interstate or international, then that arm is legal. If that interpretation was not within the legislative intent the why would that sentence exist at all since it would be stated such that it is always illegal to obliterate or remoce such seriel numbers. Thus the law is ambiguous and the legal advantage is to be in favor of the citizen and NOT the gubmint. The law is also unconstitutional since it is obviously an infringement on arms that was not generally in effect during the founding period.
The 68 Act also required a drivers license to purchase any ammunition that could be used in a hand gun. 1970 just before deer season, went with my father to get deer cartridges, and also a box of 22 Mag. My dad was shocked that they asked for his ID for the 22 caliber
I have never been asked for ID for any ammo purchases. When I was 19 I wanted to buy .22 long rifle ammo. I was told it was handgun ammo. I said right on the box it says rifle not handgun. He said it can be used for both so no. I just went elsewhere.
Under the Gun Control Act, a federally licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or collector shall not sell or deliver any rifle or shotgun or ammunition for rifle or shotgun to any individual less than 18 years of age, nor any handgun or ammunition for a handgun to any individual less than 21 years of age.[
@@SauerKream I would guess if you look over 21 no need to see an ID. There is no federal requirement to document ammo sales on a consumer level purchase.
@@timf2279 that makes sense, I was thinking along the same lines too. I suppose I probably agreed to being over the age of 21 somewhere in the T&C for various websites when ordering online.
If it is a model of gun that was made after 1968 and it doesn't have a serial number then it was tampered with for sure or it's a homemade firearm that is not supposed to be transferred to another person other than that if you don't see any file or grinding marks a machine shop might be able to get them to show up with a magnet and magnaflux powder like how they check engine blocks and heads for hairline cracks, maybe
Not being able to buy interstate LMAO.. I tried buying in the same state and was told NO because my ID was from one City and I was tying to buy a 22 rifle in another city in the SAME STATE. So I could go target shooting with my friends I was staying with at the time. I changed my ID and then had no problems as I had already passed the background check.
As always, you two are awesome, informative and entertaining young law-talents. Add here your elders William Kirk, Tom Grieve et al. 2A legal eagles (w. honorable mention to non-lawyer Brandon Langley): collectively, you provide a formidable deterrence (not a complete barrier) to my utterances of jokes that diss lawyers. Really--and more important--is that my son is finishing law school at the end of this year. Crediting his maturity of years and life/professional experience, he's well past the age of knowing better. Which I enormously respect and appreciate. Me: I'm eons past the age of any sensible embarkation upon the legal profession. But I stay closely tuned in, as an avocation. God bless you both and your continued work on behalf of the law-abiding in the US.
So even if one could print a gun with no metal parts it is asinine to talk about X-ray detection. I would suggest that any government official suggesting otherwise be removed for their lies.
It has been serialized so that it can fall within their registrar and therefore fall within their jurisdiction. Why do you think that you as a human being also have a number, in this case you call it a social security number....
I am SO reminded of the Chevy dealer service manager I once worked for. Sometimes we the dealer might need some kind of supplies from an auto-parts store where we had an account. So I might be sent to pick something up there, and, I suppose because we were this "big business auto dealer", the counterman would request/require a purchase order number. I doubt the dealership ever cut a purchase order, except perhaps to GM for some cars, but, anyway, I'd have to call back and ask for P O #. So Clifford would tell me "3" or some such, and that's what was recorded on the invoice. Dunno how many times he gave them 3, or 7, or even 1.
I'm lost. There weren't any high profile people shot in Florida before 1968. Police shot some people at 1967 Tampa riots, but they weren't high profile. The Kennedys were shot by people involved with the agency. MLK & Malcom X were shot; but all of those happened in Dallas, L.A., Memphis, and NYC respectively.
@@bullbarnes9300serial number is kinda mute in the Trump case, they caught the guy and they have the gun so how is a serial number important to prosecute the guy, he was caught red handed and that is all they need,traceing it back to whoever bought it back in the 90s won't help them with the case, it probably been bought and sold a couple times and stolen by who knows
I had a S&W model 586 pistol with a square butt. At the time round butt was not an option. It took over six (6) months to get approval from ATF to turn it into a round butt, the serial number on the bottom of the butt was removed but restamped, did not remove anything, but ATF about had a cow.
If you put half a thought to the fact of a lower component of an ar 15 it comes into absolutely zero contact with the components that are used in connection to a crime! Just goes to show the ignorance of laws about lower recievers.
In California, altering or obliterating a serial number, manufacturer name, or model information is a felony. Possession of such a gun is a misdemeanor.
In my safe are two older Winchesters. One is a Model 12, a John Moses Browning design, an actual piece of Americana. My grandfather traded a single-shot 16 gauge for it with a neighbor, plus some cash, of course, in 1920. That shotgun has a serial number, and it was built in 1919. That firearm has been in our family for over 100 years. There is also a single shot 22 LR. According to some research, it was built post-WWII but pre-1968. It has no serial number, never did have one either.
@Armed Attorneys There is an exception to the rule and that exception rest in the Technical Division of the ATF and it has to do with engravers. Being as I am an engraver I will fill you in on the exception. When engraving a gun it is common to ‘surface’ the ‘panels’ which are to be engraved to make them completely flat so they can be polished. In that process it is often necessary to obliterate the markings in a gun. It is common practice to take photos of the gun to be engraved so there is a reference to engrave the same exact markings in the same exact place or even to move them on the gun. This procedure is commonly referred to the Technical Division of the ATF whereupon they allow such a procedure. Ask me how I know.
Knew someone would ask and knew what the answer would be, needed the humor, this was a horrible week, my pet bearded dragon got out and I have not been able to find him, my daughter got him for me when I was laid up healing from a serious jeep accident (flipped and rolled it down the highway at 60mph) that was two years ago and I got quite attached to the little guy so thanks for that it kinda made me chuckle
I lived in NM back in the 60's. I went into a pawn shot to buy a gun for plinking. A nice .45 semi auto had the serial number removed but the owner advised me not to buy it. He said I would get into trouble with it. I guess he was waiting to sell it to a potential criminal!
yup yup.....illegal car stopped, they shook his hand , nice to meet u Jose....i fix car test drive n charged w false registration. SAME Small town. Guy been stopped many times....I drove his car home a few times after a stop.
Emily it is easy for the you not to posses a fire arm and obliterate the serial number. 1st Richard takes and puts in a vice and walks away. you walk into the room with a Laser and you laser off the serial number and walk away you never physically posses it. though I guess under the the clear rule that says if you can be in proximity able to pick up up you could posses it. Though i am sure any lawyer worth their salt could argue you never possessed it
I guarantee you that your firearm will operate just fine without a serial number.
💯 fcukin percent!!
Funny thing is that every dollar bill has to have a serial number to make it legal, but The illegals that are in this country don't have to even be a US citizen to vote, Trump needs to fix the CIA, FBI ATF USDA FEMA and Jail The Rino's that voted against the bill for US citizens voting.
I disagree. I'd say they work _better_ without them.
Why? Because the ATF has proven time and time again it's untrustworthy.
I have a blackpowder revolver that doesnt have any numerical registration. Gun registration has good and bad points, but it's really phucked up that the Mexican government is granted a list of all registered, American gun-owners!
@@ghostwriter1415 I'm curious, where did the _Mexican_ govt get one? It's illegal for the US government or it's agencies to have a list.
The pro gun Senators made it clear in the ATF hearing (over that no knock warrant on the Airport exec Malinowski) that a registry is illegal.
For a right that "...shall not be infringed..." there is a staggeringly large amount of bewildering laws infringing upon it.
That is very true. The second amendment couldn't be any clearer. It's the clarity of the law that causes a problem. Any law that restricts "the people" from owning a bearing a weapon, whoever the "people" are, and whatever the weapon is, is a violation of the second amendment. If it is in fact true that there are situations where it is right and appropriate to restrict the rights of any Americans to bear any weapons - Islamic terrorists and nuclear bombs come immediately to mind - the second amendment needs to be amended. I would suggest that the following; "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be - unreasonably - infringed." That one word would allow courts to decide that gang members should not be allowed to bring sawed off shotguns into a courtroom, or that a juvenile Sheldon Cooper should not be allowed to purchase weapons-grade uranium for his science fair project.
Like 50000 infringements.....
@peterwilson8039 The government should never have the option as to what may be reasonable or not. What ts "reasonable " for the people doesn't seem to ever apply to them.
@@firestarter105G In fact what happens now is that contraventions of the second amendment are allowed if, in the judgement of the judge, the contraventions are consistent with the intent of those who wrote the amendment. I’d rather judges allow contraventions based on reasonability, than upon the judges ability to read the mind of somebody who’s been dead for 200 years. Take the issue of weapons grade uranium, which you cannot buy, only because you could make a weapon out of it. Preventing people from arming themselves with nuclear weapons is a clear contravention of the second amendment. Do we really care about the founding father’s opinions on this issue? Isn’t it more important to consider the reasonableness of the restriction. It’s a similar issues with banning weapons on airplanes.
That's what happens when the citizens become domesticated and weak.
Prior to 1968 serial numbers were not REQUIRED on FIREARMS!!!! If you make your own, you are not REQUIRED to serialize the weapon unless you plan to sell it!!!!
This needs to be pinned at the top
Seems like the only place that had serial numbers on a standard basis pre-GCA were with military arms.
Post 1968, laws against obliterating serial numbers are unconstitutional.
I currently have a case to challenge 18usc922(k) in federal court.
PS
there are prior suits also like a federal court decision in the Southern District of the United States District Court for West Virginia case No. 2:22-cr-00097 Opinion and Order issued October 12, 2022 which contained in pertinent part:
“The burden falls on the Government to “affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the [or analogous to a] historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.” Id. at 2127. The Government has not done so here, and I have no choice but to find 18 U.S.C. § 922(k) unconstitutional.” Id.
REVERSED by Fourth Circuit en banc - 22-4609 Doc: 88 Filed: 08/06/2024
But with well reasoned DISSENTS by Judge RICHARDSON and GREGORY
I would love to learn to make own firearms for my personal use and nothing else. Meaning I have ZERO plans to sell guns anyways
Imagine the liability if you serialize it and sell it.
The gun control act of 1968 needs to be challenged. I'm pretty sure there's no way shape or form it would pass the Bruen test.
Repeal the 68 law, and the NFA. Then disband the ATF, DEA, FBI, NSA, and CIA.
And get rid of the Hughes and Lautenburg amendments
Just about everything on the books wouldn't pass the Bruen test, but it hasn't done much of anything to stop them.
@@stephen-ngyou forgot the IRS
@@sociopathmercenary yup, Bruen doesn't just apply to the 2A, it applies to everything.
Been a cop for 12 years. We had a pretty major gang case a few years back, and in the course of that, we recovered an old Sears shotgun from the mid-60's. Never was able to find a serial number, even after checking all the possible locations where that model ever had a serial number, and after some research discovered that it never had one and predated the gun control act. Found out later that the local DA's office tried to charge him for having a gun with an altered or abolished serial number, so I had to explain how they can't charge him with that, as it never had a serial number to be altered or destroyed.
I have my Dad's 20 gauge shotgun from when he was given to from his Dad in 1950 . There are no numbers on it.
@@fuelfreak108 pretty rare to find an officer who would actually go to court to make sure that a false charge like that didn't get pinned on someone even if they were not an outstanding citizen
The law is for everybody to follow, regardless of the alleged criminal. That’s a good example of how the LEOs should be.
@@dinadaughtry8993 It was just a lucky catch. My agency didn't charge him with that, but the local DA tried to tack it on at the indictment. I just happened to speak to the detective on the case and he mentioned something about the fact that the DA's office had added that charge, so I explained it and he made a call to the DA's office and got it dismissed. I think it was just ignorance on the part of the prosecutors. If you don't respect the rights of the worst criminals, it's just a slippery slope from there to total tyranny, so it really can't be tolerated.
Did you steal his gun?
These cops that immediately jump to "no serial number hurdur" really irritate me. I'm VERY well-versed in our constitution, federal code, my state statutes, and my local ordinances. I'm also a veteran and now a Sheriff's Deputy and K9 Handler. I cannot stand it when I get sent to a call for backup because there's a firearm involved (even if it's just there...) and the first thing I hear from the primary is "he's got a deserialized firearm."
First off, here's how I teach my rookies: Is it ACTUALLY DE- serialized, or just UN-serialized. There's a difference and it's very important. If the serial number has been removed or defaced, yes, we have a problem. If it's just never been there, we very likely do not have a problem. Is it an 80%? Can you prove that it isn't an 80% if you think it's not? Is it an antique that was never issued a serial? Is it a legal homemade firearm that has never transferred in ownership? SO MUCH of that is never asked or even thought of. They just assume that it's illegal because "Oooh gun scary bad!" Fucking amateurs... It's a waste of time and resources. Nut up. You were issued a firearm too.
I'm glad you understand and respect the constitution and do your best at teaching others how to understand law and what is legal
So glad we have law enforcement folks like you out there. Thank you for what you do for us.
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Nut up and quit being/ working for tyrants.
As long as the propaganda continues, the sheep will get dumber and the govt will get stronger!
What pisses me off is not being able to buy a gun from the Sears catalogue and having it delivered right to my door with no background check!!!
And we didn't have all the problems we have today
I'm not ok with that at the fact shit gets lost in shipping all the time or porch pirates. Better having it shipped to a actual reputable place
When we take our country back soon we will have our civil rights returned.
@@Killswitch1411 ever hear of the missing firearms shipped to FFLs? Criminals are everywhere.
At least shipped to your home, where you sign for it …. No reason for the restrictions
@@Killswitch1411 So you just have it shipped when you are at home and require a signature for delivery and have insurance. They do that with anything valuable.
I check with the bill of rights, doesn’t mention serial number once! I’m good 👍👍
I remember pre-GCA they advertised mail order guns in magazines. Military surplus ones were like $25
@@davidward1259 pretty sure o3a3s that my Dad bought from the NRA magazine were less than that.
The ATFE itself should be deemed unconstitutional, along with every law passed that even mentions firearms. "shall not be infringed" should have meaning as it's not just a suggestion.
The Stasi was never revoked until the Germans lost the war.
Yeah because it makes their searchable registry much easier to use
that should not even exist.
@@rogermorris-zd4dpno it should not but we are not stupid and we know exactly what they are up to
Are you referring to the searchable registry that the ATF claims they don't have?
Crazy. Firearm Owners Protection Act of 1986 banned federal gun registration en mass but they use agencies and 4473 collection to get around it.
@@dalehazard8016 "What registry?"
- AFTE agent, probably.
I'm envious of the days before the GCA of 1968. My dad and grandfather frequently talked about mail order guns to the door and also guns sold in military surplus stores or hardware stores that were in barrels or crates, pick and choose the war relic you wanted out of a pile, no ID, no paperwork, cash and carry out the door like a box of nails.
Just as the founding fathers knew it ought to be.
You could buy a Ballester Molina from a gun magazine's ad for $24.95 in those days.
BUT THINGS HAVE CHANGED .......SCARY STUFF HAPPENS .......JUST DO WHAT YOU WANT AND STOP THE WORRY !
the 60s had some good but 80% bad
The CMP still mails M-1's to your home address.
The officer hassling someone about a non-law should face repercussions. As for interstate purchase - your right it should be fine.
18usc242
serial numbers should ONLY be for manufacturers benefit and like a matress tag, removable by owner, otherwise govt will start abusing general use scratches as things get older as "alteration"
They have already done that to people saying we can't read the serial number if they painted it. Even though you could chip it off or use a solvent.
@@jonahkolell They just hate artistic creativity. If I wanna hydrodip my hi-point in the color of skittles vomit, I have every right to do so!
My Name is Michael Pedrick and I have to Thank you American Patriot's. God Bless America and Every FREE AMERICAN PATRIOT. Love and Respect always
Why is there an apostrophe on the word Patriots? Did you finish third or fourth grade?
@@stopatredlights Also, what is going on with the haphazard use of capitalization?
Thanks, Richard & Emily 👍
My uncle has a 410 shotgun he bought when he was a kid that is unserialized because it was manufactured before the GCA.
That is a fascinating story. So glad you wrote it.
@@stopatredlightsthere are a lot of guns that don't have any serial numbers still out there, made when America was a free nation and you didn't lose your second amendment rights after you completed your sentence if you did something wrong, but you didn't get out with no bail and you actually had to serve your sentence in a not so nice place
Federal criminal... arrest him
I personally think mandating serial numbers raises concerns for those who value privacy and gun rights, especially with the current push against 'ghost guns.' At what point do we cross the line between reasonable regulation and infringing on the rights of law-abiding citizens?
That point was back in 1968.
@@williamandrews1683actually it was a little earlier,1934 and they were working on it earlier than that
They crossed that line with the NFA in 1934. It's been infringement after infringement since then. A death by 1000 cuts so to speak. All of it needs to be repealed in order to be in compliance with our constitution.
The line has been crossed, it's not hyperbole but my honest take having lived in multiple west coast states as a member of the military
You can still make your own with Ghost Gunner III. If the price is prohibitive, go in on one with buddies. Or, if you know how to machine, make it that way.
Minnesota has at least one young man against the wall on this right now for a P80 build
I told a police officer that it was an antique handed down from my great-grandfather. And so it didn't have a serial number because it was an antique. And it worked because somehow people think antique guns are less dangerous. It was actually a Harrington Richardson break action revolver chambered in 38 Smith & Wesson long. Precursor of 38 special.
Worked once, wait till you get a woke drone Leo
So what about a state like Nevada that prohibits firearms w/o numbers? My understanding of the law and Constitution is that states can't restrict a right the US Constitution guarantees. They can make more free laws, but not less free laws. So how do we fight back on states that restrict rights guaranteed by the USC?
This is the biggest issue with all gun laws, imo. Decades of challenges with no decisions and no protection of the constitution.
as a resident of Nevada it's my understanding the law you are referencing was over turned and tossed as part of it was deemed unconstitutional after it was appealed .. The Governor has also stated he will not sign any anti 2A legislation
The judicial branch.
I currently have a case to challenge 18usc922(k) in federal court.
There are other prior suits also, like a federal court decision in the Southern District of the United States District Court for West Virginia case No. 2:22-cr-00097 Opinion and Order issued October 12, 2022 which contained in pertinent part:
“The burden falls on the Government to “affirmatively prove that its firearms regulation is part of the [or analogous to a] historical tradition that delimits the outer bounds of the right to keep and bear arms.” Id. at 2127. The Government has not done so here, and I have no choice but to find 18 U.S.C. § 922(k) unconstitutional.” Id. . . . BUT . . .
REVERSED by Fourth Circuit en banc - 22-4609 Doc: 88 Filed: 08/06/2024
But with well reasoned DISSENTS by Judge RICHARDSON and GREGORY
So if you build one stamp some numbers on it. That way if it’s stolen you can identify it easier.
@@LonC1966 Can I use "2A" as the serial number?
only if it had one to start with, or was made after 1968. many old guns never had one.
Anticipating the NFA of 1968 I bought my first handgun, a Ruger Mark I, in an adjacent state in early October 1968. I was 17! I used to think my first 22 from Sears Roebuck had a serial number, but I dug it out recently and it turned out to be a model number.
I had a duty pistol that the serial number obliterated from holster wear it almost was a problem. That's why newer guns have the numbers in low spots that are protected
This is what happens when standards disappear. Training and standards are important not the pure nonsense hiring practices to satisfy special groups.
Which special interest groups? Most of the problem is white male officers.
Those were the days as the saying goes
880 hours of training in the academy here, the majority of which is self defense. Should be another 880 hours on constitutional law IMHO.
And did the GCA do anything ? Not really except you can't buy from mail order any more for the most part, in other words it interfered with my life but not the bad guy as much as me.
In the mid 1970s my kids gifted me a CVA Flintlock Pistol Kit for Christmas. We lived in Albany NY, the second most anti-gun city in the second most anti-gun state in the union, NY City and Massachusetts, respectively, being the leaders. I knew and if they didn't know they knew people who did, that a class of antiques and replicas were not considered "firearms" under NY's existing laws and thus were legal to possess, sell, and so on.
Great and very thoughtful gift, and I spent many months joyfully digging deep in my woodworking and metalworking skill sets and created a masterful display piece, period accurate rust blue (complete with a fingerprint on the bottom of the barrel compliments of careless handling during the bluing process) and 7 hand rubbed coats of boiled linseed oil finish over a boiled walnut shell stain. I did cheat on the brass furniture and used Brasso to polish it. Proudly displayed on out coffee table in the living room it was a nice conversation starter.
Being an NRA instructor and even qualified to teach NY State's required class to obtain a pistol permit (which I did not have, see above about Albany) I also knew about NY's "Gotcha!" loophole in the law; that although that class of guns were not considered "firearms" there was a circumstance that would change that, to wit; possessing the components necessary to load and fire such guns. In other words, a muzzle loading gun was not a firearm except if powder and projectiles were possessed also, even "on the same premises." Being aware of this I also knew that if the gun was rendered otherwise unfireable, it still was not considered a firearm, so before bluing I poured a lead slug into the chamber and then "spiked" the flash hole.
And then came the day, the following Christmas, when our house was burglarized and the kid responsible pretty much ignored the modern guns in the gun case upstairs and stole, among other things, the replica. When reported to the police only one officer arrived to begin with, but as soon as I mentioned my stolen replica they came just short of sending out SWAT. Uniforms and detectives crawling all over MY house, looking in places they were not supposed to, asking questions that seemed to imply that I was a criminal, and grilling me about why I had the gun without a license, why I did not know the serial number, and so on. Ironically I had, in a fit of attempted and not very well executed artistry, added my initials, inlaid in silver wire on the bottom of the barrel near the lock plate, so on the eventual police report the serial number became "JFL." Eventually I had a Chief of Detectives from the Firearms Division arrive at the house to lecture me about my "probably illegal" possession of a replica firearm, so I produced my NRA and NY State credentials and he eventually left me alone but that didn't stop him from muttering imprecations as he left.
They caught the kid, a contemporary of our son, who had been aware that we were going to the movies that afternoon and knew when we were going to be out of the house. He was convicted of felony and misdemeanor charges for firearm theft, B&E, and other stuff, and his mother went all kinds of ballistic on me about leaving a gun in plain sight and therefore I was responsible and on and one.
Initially the police were NOT going to return my gun, and then I escalated through the chain of command and secured recognition, again, that it was not anything more than stolen property, not a firearm under the law and that it would be returned, but then they decided it had to be retained as evidence and then it was either lost, or stored in the NY State Police Crime Lab, or maybe the FBI had it, and then it had to be retained until the criminal exhausted his appeals, and so on. I never did get it back.
I did get called upon by a NY State Police Crime Lab person who was contending that the gun could be made to fire with little or no effort by melting out the lead plug, but when I challenged him to find the flash hole and clear the spike he couldn't find it because my bluing job was too good.
I finally left NY State.
Glad you got out, living in a place where law enforcement is as paranoid and hot-headed as you described honestly sounds like a nightmare.
A blackpowder gun is not a 'firearm' for purposes of infringement.
Hell you used to be able to buy them from Sears, JC Penny, Gun Digest and many many more and have them shipped to your door! The anticipation was wonderful. You would get home thinking it might be there then crap it's not here yet. But when it did arrive it was a moment of great joy! Instant gratification isn't all its made out to be!
I have a .22 rifle with out a serial number! My farther bought the rifle in the 50's before he married my mother and had 5 kids! (LOL)😂
This Halloween, build a G...gun😅
Is it a J.C Higgins?
@@beelikestowatch Montgomery wards
@@coreydarr8464 That's dangerous! Not having a serial number automatically turns it into a tactical-nuke launching fully-semiautomatic tactical assault rifle of death!
That rule you showed us about guns with obliterated s/ns only comes into play if you sell or purchase that firearm across state lines. No interstate commerce - no problem, right?
Shall no be infringed. Not sure how clearer it can get
Still a problem , if it HAD been moved across state lines at some point. Good luck with that one 🙄
@@pcalna3202 shall not be infringed... state lines don't halt the constitution
@@Saaaahdoood no but they do give the federal government an easy "in". 👎🏻
Chicago is here ✊🏾💪🏾✊🏾
And yes you're absolutely 💯% right I should be able to go to another state in buying a firearm with no problem's
SMFH
I live 5 miles from a state line. and there is a great gun store in the other state, but I need to use an FFL in my state and wait on My Gun to be shipped. But the NIX check is a FEDERAL FIREARMS CHECK
A serial number serves two purposes. One to provide the information necessary to date the year the weapon was manufactured for the purpose of obtaining repair maintenance or collectors information and two to provide a way to track down the owner. The second serves to control you and void your second amendment rights.
Nope. It is to serve the government. Many models of old has either the creator, patent or model type. I have antiques with each. The stamped serial number is for government tracking. When a ffl closes its doors, they have to turn over sales to atf. Atf has a digital database they copy the documents to. Even though the server cannot do a search, any terminal attached can do a search of it using a browser, the system search panel and a dozen other ways.
@@dougied3449All true. And yet the ATF director testifies before Congress that their registry isn't a database because they paid to have the search button removed in one of their programs that would have been able to search PDF's. And no representative is able to quickly pin him down on the lie. 🚮
@@dougied3449 That doesn't narrow down anything enough to troubleshoot what was happening on an assembly line on a particular date so that recalls can be issued, or manufacturing errors can be identified, based upon the idiosyncrasies of a single item produced on the floor, which is what serial numbers are for.
@@keyboardwarrior6296 not so. There are manufacturing and inspection documents for every part, it coincides with the bar code. With that bar code on the paperwork, it can be tracked back to the very person and even the time of day they made the part.
I have filled out millions of them being a shift supervisor.
@@dougied3449 Your documents can't id a part in possession of a customer.
Thank you for your channel and content
Nope. Just like social security numbers for illegals
I am 69. In my life I have owned two firearms that didn't have serial numbers. One was a double barrel 12 gauge with a "Fox" brand. Made sometime in the 1940's, and a .410 pistol with an unknown date of manufacture. Wish I had kept them, but sold to a collector.
You guys need to bring back the "Side Bar" videos and let Emily get back into the wine again.
Very entertaining.
Thanks for another great video. I really enjoy listening to you two.
Strangely the ATF wanting gunsmiths to serialize a gun that wasn't serialized was trying to get them to commit the crime of altering a serial number... which can only be done with a court order that specifically identifies the extant serial number.
Thank y'all for covering this topic!
Serial numbers serve no real purpose they can be erased off a firearm, by any criminal. just like vehicle Vin numbers don't stop your car from getting stolen and chopped up.
Aside from that, the wrong part has the serial number. The fact is that I can change my handgun’s barrel quite easily.
Awesome content as always!!
Most of mine don't have serial numbers and they never will.
Most definitely enjoyed the conversation. It was time to "re-blue" the answers to those questions.
GOA all the way!!
If you own an older Glock, they used to put a serialized metal tab in the receiver that could easily fall out. The uppers are serialized. Most shops won’t even sell them
But only if "moved in interstate of foreign commerce."
this is what im hung up on. they do not say intrastate possession, only interstate and foreign. so by that wording i should be allowed to roll around my home state with unserialized OR obliterated serial firearms, without repercussion.
@@tuurd that phrase is used to cover if it has EVER moved across a border for commercial sale. That's how they charged a homeless guy with 'felon in possession of ammunition' for 2 shotgun shells he found in some trash.
@@tuurd That's how I read it.
I have a pre 1967 .410 break action single shot shotgun that has no serial number or any makers marks what so ever. Not even the .410 caliber on the barrel and it was bought from the sears catalog and delivered to my grandfather home. Just in time for my birth and it was waiting for me when I came home from the hospital from being born. So I literally owned a gun my whole life, you could say it’s part of my heritage.
I made it all by myself with a hacksaw and a couple of files. They can shovel it where the sand don't pound shine.
They do that in third world countries, and turn out some surprisingly good copies.
Thanks for the information!!
Vermont state law S.209 (Act 120): An act relating to prohibiting unserialized firearms and unserialized firearms frames and receivers, and unfinished frames and receivers.
Which I ignore every single day as a 7th generation Vermonter.
I own a (wait for it) a bolt action detachable magazine 20 ga. shotgun purchased through the Montgomery Ward catalog with no serial number.
Until the enactment of 1968 Gun Control Act, serial numbers weren't required by Federal Law.
Today, all commercially produced firearms are required to be serialized.
Home built firearms aren't required as long as they are built for yourself. It's suggested, but not legally required.
It's not legal or required by anyone
Good Information
Serial numbers on your gun to serial numbers on the arm. That's where these politicians will go next.
How do you know you don't have one already inside you somewhere? Would you put it past them?
@@dinadaughtry8993 I worked in IT, both in and out of the military, for more than 30 years. Waaayyy back in 2007, I was managing Servers in Iraq, that stored Relational Databases containing BIOMETRIC data such as height, weight, finger prints, etc AND known associates. Today, we have finger print readers on ATM machines, pay with your palm, pay with your face, gate analysis, facial recognition, retinal scans, voice prints, DNA, geo fencing (cell phones), remote video/audio on WebCams/cell phones/Alexa/Onstar, etc. Instead of triagulation between cell towers (miles apart). You now have 5G antennas on EVERY city block. Antique 2G cell phones could take pictures. But, "modern" EXTREME RESOLUTION phone cameras like the Apple iPhone 16 now boasts a 48MP camera. METADATA embeded in EACH and EVERY picture is uploaded to the cloud, and scoured by the NSA. When "they" want to search for someone attending "an event", YOUR family pictures "at that same event" are flagged for review, to see if the person of interest was walking past you in the background, and can be placed "at the scene of the crime". And, the last example that I want to touch on (in this rant) is the RING Doorbell. Is your delivery being stolen off of your front portch? Is your wife receiving "visitors" after you've left for work? Was there a drive-by bang bang across the street? Yes. License plates can be read from that distance, while moving. I ive in the Philippines, on what used to be Clark Airforce Base. I took my family to a buffett lunch at a hotel & casino today. When I exited the parking, the LED screen displayed that I had been in the parking for 3-hours and 58-minutes. 😳😳😳 I was an unregistered GUEST. It read my license plate, and entered it into a database. The Mark Of The Beast doesn't "need" to be inside you. Google Pink Floyd: The Wall, and read the lyrics. Same for Mike & The Mechanics: Silent Running. Now, go use your TAP To Pay card, to replace the Depends diapers that you just soiled.
I never could understand Jews for Gun Control.Can someone explain that to us.
Like a social number for our security?
Thank you for the info.
Can Congresspeople be charged with possession of common sense? Or worse yet, adherence to the US Constitution?
No they don't have the first and don't do the second Speaking of the second when I read it it appears to say SHALL NOT be infringed nowhere in it did I read except..... Therefore ALL gun laws are unconstitutional
@@MDAdams72668 Infiltrators have taken occupancy of key senior positions of all level of government. That's the problem.
@@MDAdams72668but they say "oh it's not that simple" treason at it's highest level and nothing happens, sickening
Like that shirt Richard, need to add to the merch store! Thanks for all the fun discussion, and the grimace on occasion.
I have a few pre serial number firearms.
Good job giving them a reason to look at you 🤣
@@kellyash45
They are perfectly legal pre '68 imports.
@@kellyash45; Like they need one
@@Vibe77Guysome are not imports, my brother has a Winchester 22semiauto that our grampa got him many years ago and it has no serial numbers
Always an outstanding video and presentation.
Another plausible interpretation of the regulaton you cited would be that as long as the fire arm that has been de-serielized is NOT transported interstate or international, then that arm is legal. If that interpretation was not within the legislative intent the why would that sentence exist at all since it would be stated such that it is always illegal to obliterate or remoce such seriel numbers. Thus the law is ambiguous and the legal advantage is to be in favor of the citizen and NOT the gubmint. The law is also unconstitutional since it is obviously an infringement on arms that was not generally in effect during the founding period.
I have a Remington 22 that only has makers marks that when I looked them up i found the rifle was manufactured in the later half of 1936.
The 68 Act also required a drivers license to purchase any ammunition that could be used in a hand gun. 1970 just before deer season, went with my father to get deer cartridges, and also a box of 22 Mag. My dad was shocked that they asked for his ID for the 22 caliber
I have never been asked for ID for any ammo purchases. When I was 19 I wanted to buy .22 long rifle ammo. I was told it was handgun ammo. I said right on the box it says rifle not handgun. He said it can be used for both so no. I just went elsewhere.
Under the Gun Control Act, a federally licensed importer, manufacturer, dealer or collector shall not sell or deliver any rifle or shotgun or ammunition for rifle or shotgun to any individual less than 18 years of age, nor any handgun or ammunition for a handgun to any individual less than 21 years of age.[
Was this later changed? Because for years I have never been carded for any ammo before, granted, much more recently than 1970
@@SauerKream I would guess if you look over 21 no need to see an ID. There is no federal requirement to document ammo sales on a consumer level purchase.
@@timf2279 that makes sense, I was thinking along the same lines too. I suppose I probably agreed to being over the age of 21 somewhere in the T&C for various websites when ordering online.
Great video. Thanks
HOW do I KNOW if a firearm I am buying has previously had a serial number obliterated?
It would depend on how it was removed, grind and file marks are obvious
If it is a model of gun that was made after 1968 and it doesn't have a serial number then it was tampered with for sure or it's a homemade firearm that is not supposed to be transferred to another person other than that if you don't see any file or grinding marks a machine shop might be able to get them to show up with a magnet and magnaflux powder like how they check engine blocks and heads for hairline cracks, maybe
Why does it matter?
@@Saaaahdoood
"Why does it matter?"
So I know what to put in my lawsuit.
@@2Truth4Liberty what part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED confuses you
Thank you for your posts! You keep me connected and have good common sense! Love your content!
Lots of firearms made before 1968 did not have serial numbers.
Not being able to buy interstate LMAO.. I tried buying in the same state and was told NO because my ID was from one City and I was tying to buy a 22 rifle in another city in the SAME STATE. So I could go target shooting with my friends I was staying with at the time. I changed my ID and then had no problems as I had already passed the background check.
So the law should have to get a warrant to search your weapon for a serial number even if carrying the weapon?
As always, you two are awesome, informative and entertaining young law-talents. Add here your elders William Kirk, Tom Grieve et al. 2A legal eagles (w. honorable mention to non-lawyer Brandon Langley): collectively, you provide a formidable deterrence (not a complete barrier) to my utterances of jokes that diss lawyers. Really--and more important--is that my son is finishing law school at the end of this year. Crediting his maturity of years and life/professional experience, he's well past the age of knowing better. Which I enormously respect and appreciate. Me: I'm eons past the age of any sensible embarkation upon the legal profession. But I stay closely tuned in, as an avocation. God bless you both and your continued work on behalf of the law-abiding in the US.
So even if one could print a gun with no metal parts it is asinine to talk about X-ray detection. I would suggest that any government official suggesting otherwise be removed for their lies.
Love you guys…thank you!
I carry both a handmade P80 and a Florida CCW license daily.
Si, great content as always!
Oregon HB 2005 screwed all of us here. TOTAL BS.
I love the lady in this show, she is smart, articulate and rather funny! Well done!
It has been serialized so that it can fall within their registrar and therefore fall within their jurisdiction. Why do you think that you as a human being also have a number, in this case you call it a social security number....
In 2018, I left the country. NEVER moving back!!!
Shall no be infringed is confusing to you how
as usual, great information.
Didn't they require passing a 4473 to get your gun back???
No, absolutely not!!
I am SO reminded of the Chevy dealer service manager I once worked for.
Sometimes we the dealer might need some kind of supplies from an auto-parts store where we had an account. So I might be sent to pick something up there, and, I suppose because we were this "big business auto dealer", the counterman would request/require a purchase order number. I doubt the dealership ever cut a purchase order, except perhaps to GM for some cars, but, anyway, I'd have to call back and ask for P O #. So Clifford would tell me "3" or some such, and that's what was recorded on the invoice. Dunno how many times he gave them 3, or 7, or even 1.
I'm lost. There weren't any high profile people shot in Florida before 1968. Police shot some people at 1967 Tampa riots, but they weren't high profile. The Kennedys were shot by people involved with the agency. MLK & Malcom X were shot; but all of those happened in Dallas, L.A., Memphis, and NYC respectively.
They were comparing the multiple assassinations of the 60s to the unmentionable event last week in Florida.
@@bullbarnes9300serial number is kinda mute in the Trump case, they caught the guy and they have the gun so how is a serial number important to prosecute the guy, he was caught red handed and that is all they need,traceing it back to whoever bought it back in the 90s won't help them with the case, it probably been bought and sold a couple times and stolen by who knows
@@bullbarnes9300 Got it thanks
Thank you
In some states, it is unlawful to make one’s own g4n
That's literally infringement. Do it anyway and shut yer yap.
NOPE!!
No it's not lol
@@Saaaahdoood
Correction, it is unlawful in WA to make an unserialised g4n
I had a S&W model 586 pistol with a square butt. At the time round butt was not an option. It took over six (6) months to get approval from ATF to turn it into a round butt, the serial number on the bottom of the butt was removed but restamped, did not remove anything, but ATF about had a cow.
Guess one is not required if you're going after former presidents.
No serial number on John Wilkes Booth's pistol. You can never trust any actor.
Good explanation! I left Newyorkistan for a reason.
If you put half a thought to the fact of a lower component of an ar 15 it comes into absolutely zero contact with the components that are used in connection to a crime! Just goes to show the ignorance of laws about lower recievers.
In California, altering or obliterating a serial number, manufacturer name, or model information is a felony. Possession of such a gun is a misdemeanor.
You aren’t getting older just more beautiful every day.
I 2nd THAT EMOTION!!
Thank you!
Why obliterate the serial number? Just replace the barrel and move on.
Serial numbers for many hole punches are on the receiver.
Or frame
In my safe are two older Winchesters. One is a Model 12, a John Moses Browning design, an actual piece of Americana. My grandfather traded a single-shot 16 gauge for it with a neighbor, plus some cash, of course, in 1920. That shotgun has a serial number, and it was built in 1919. That firearm has been in our family for over 100 years. There is also a single shot 22 LR. According to some research, it was built post-WWII but pre-1968. It has no serial number, never did have one either.
Very cool collection Howard!
@Armed Attorneys There is an exception to the rule and that exception rest in the Technical Division of the ATF and it has to do with engravers. Being as I am an engraver I will fill you in on the exception. When engraving a gun it is common to ‘surface’ the ‘panels’ which are to be engraved to make them completely flat so they can be polished. In that process it is often necessary to obliterate the markings in a gun. It is common practice to take photos of the gun to be engraved so there is a reference to engrave the same exact markings in the same exact place or even to move them on the gun. This procedure is commonly referred to the Technical Division of the ATF whereupon they allow such a procedure. Ask me how I know.
How do you know?
@@1johnnygunn I’m a firearms engraver!
Knew someone would ask and knew what the answer would be, needed the humor, this was a horrible week, my pet bearded dragon got out and I have not been able to find him, my daughter got him for me when I was laid up healing from a serious jeep accident (flipped and rolled it down the highway at 60mph) that was two years ago and I got quite attached to the little guy so thanks for that it kinda made me chuckle
Excellent video
Michigan requires pistol registration but you can register a pistol without a serial number you just fill in the blank with n o n e
Dont register nothing stop complying
Good God. Don't voluntarily register any gun you don't have to.
@@Macdonald-we4gxbingo
@@fryingpanhead8809example of one you have to: __________.
I lived in NM back in the 60's. I went into a pawn shot to buy a gun for plinking. A nice .45 semi auto had the serial number removed but the owner advised me not to buy it. He said I would get into trouble with it. I guess he was waiting to sell it to a potential criminal!
Someone will say “my straw man obliterated it” 😅
yup yup.....illegal car stopped, they shook his hand , nice to meet u Jose....i fix car test drive n charged w false registration. SAME Small town. Guy been stopped many times....I drove his car home a few times after a stop.
Emily it is easy for the you not to posses a fire arm and obliterate the serial number. 1st Richard takes and puts in a vice and walks away. you walk into the room with a Laser and you laser off the serial number and walk away you never physically posses it. though I guess under the the clear rule that says if you can be in proximity able to pick up up you could posses it. Though i am sure any lawyer worth their salt could argue you never possessed it