Roads to Power Will Save (or Sink) CK3
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- Опубликовано: 4 июн 2024
- Short speculation video on Roads to Power, the DLC I believe should come after it, and the stakes Paradox is facing with this upcoming release. Enjoy.
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Balance is dubious., but most ck3 dlcs have added good features. People 'dislike' them because none of them touched the core gameplay: Feudalism is boring, no peerage, no vassal or council intrigue, the tribals are barebones despite being 3/4 of the world gov, nomads dont exist, economy is a 1 to 100 number, no silk road no trade, culture or faith are complex but just timers at the province level, raising levies eternally is fantasy, pope is a bank, no conclave, caliph is a rank, head of faiths are useless, knights and accolades are Marvel heroes, no weather besides winter?, snowballing is too easy, no coalitions, etc man i could go on ...
You need not go on. Definitely the sentiment I think many share. I know I’ve felt it too.
@@Soul_Tomato Issue is you play CK3 as a board game. The features that have come from the DLCS are innovative and not ripped from CK2 like you wanted. The creativity that goes into CK3 is exemplary and I wish they would gain more respect. Instead people complain that it is not "LIKE CK222!!1!".
@@user-ev8zm7dk4i You are the only person in this thread that mentioned ck2 at all
@@user-ev8zm7dk4i ck3 on steam has the tags: rpg, simulation, grand strategy. Do you play ck3 like the sims or a first person shooter?
You coming to a CK3 channel dedicated to story telling, sharing mods, and creating unique play throughs and having the audacity to assume I have no creativity in gameplay methods is hilarious
The fact that you will have to worry about food and the landless camp gives me hopes that the landless experience won't simply be staying afk and clicking the event options with most green numbers until you get landed like it was in CK2 Rise to Power mod.
Idk if we can assume you won’t have to worry considering that screenshot shows them with a party of 3 and that much food but perhaps it’s a placeholder for now or perhaps food is also used as an upgrade material?
It's modern paradox. Please, you have way too positive outlook on it. It will be you waiting for events to happen while trading resources for food. Paradox doesn't yet get that they have to add more interaction to make their games interesting. Their idea of fun is you waiting until something happens.
@@celwenileran2135so instead of hoping for good things we have to be overly pessimistic about everything? What is this, politics?
@@Whiskers4169right?
Man, I kinda wish that they would obscure the fact that CK3 is a numbers game; make some new cool events, make something that does not give you 100 piety and +5% prestige gain, something that makes the game feel like a medieval game, not a sandbox.
I think hiding those things would go a long way to making it more what you would choose and not whatever is best stat or outcome wise
I think the issue is about balancing the frequency of events. You don't want to be bombarded by events and too many events would result in habing too many county/character modifiers (possibly further breaking the balance of the game). On the other hand, you want events to be impactful so they can't be devoid of consequences.
I think those things could be obscured until you know about stuff like that
How much dev bonus does a certain building give? Well, its "a little"
You have the architect trait? Its exactly 5%
@@Tom-mk7nd well, I'd like to see events where they dont just give you modifiers, but rather, some kind of wider consequence for a specific character, maybe someone dies at the end of a event chain, maybe through multiple events and multiple choices can lower your legitimacy, maybe give you a hook on a character thats in a faction plotting to overthrow you. I can go on and on.
The event window to me is quite annoying. Your 3D model has to show up in the event window, and it does slow down the game if you happen to be bombarded with events. I would actually like to see the old CK2 style paper events make a comeback; with a tiny image of various scenes that set the mood of the event, not the stuffy, bloated event windows we have in CK3
@@anteculjak7447 those outcomes already exist in the game but I agree that they are too rare.
Let's hope this expansion is good...
I’m holding my thumbs
Man i hope its good. Im just excited for landless gameplay, I think it really goes for ck3's rpg experience
I think so too. If it works well it’ll fully set itself apart in the genre.
My favorite playthrough in ck2 was playing Ivar the boneless (who starts tribal) and then conquering the entire empire of Britannia and forming a Merchant Republic. That opened up so many avenues for roleplay which simply doesn't exist in ck3.
Tribal to Republic is gotta be the most fun playstyles in CK2. I keep doing it as the baltics.
Sounds like a blast
I just worry that we are all overhyping what effectively could just be a barony system. I am not a total doomer and I do think the game can recover (ck2 on launch compared to today is completely different) but it just worries me that I expect more.
I am an entirely modded player, rarely touching the actual Feudal Old World scenario, but I do want it to succeed. I want to be a Hedge Knight who is able to land themselves or a trickster who is able to become emperor. I just hope it actually works out as I hope.
If nothing else we can leave it to mods to make it fun. Holding out for Elder Kings to allow landless players to try to become the Nerevarine.
Come Moon and Star
They definitely need more flavor packs similar to northern lords, that DLC made the Norse culture/cultures way more interesting and unique to play, every culture in Europe feel no different to each other, like a different shade of the same color, adding any kind of diversity to any group of region cultures would help to make each new play through feel very different from the other
I still hold Northern Lords as one of my favorites for the game. It and TT are probably my two favorites tbh
I'd pay for more flavor packs per year. One per year isn't enough to flesh out the diverse cultures in the game in a reasonable time. It doesn't have to be an overarching one like the Iberian Struggle and the Iranian Intermezzo, but small ones like the Northern Lords that gives you things to explore is good enough. (Northern Lords is better anyway lol)
I personally enjoy FoI and II as well, but the more open-ended nature of Northern Lords is nice. I hope they add a nomadic government type and some flavor to steppe cultures soon. As it stands there isn't really a reason to play in that region.
I love the flavour packs, I just wish they'd spread them out evenly. I'm European but I'm very happy to play outside of Europe and have a different experience. I'd love to see India, Africa, Tibet and the Steppe developed. Egypt definitely needs one. It would also be good if the Coptics got some love but there are many places that could be made more unique. They don't have to add a struggle each time either, just a big dump of dialogue, clothing, music, unique decisions, the odd mechanic, a special court role and some new dynasty perks would be fine, I'd happily pay for that. Also it would be good if we had more cultures that introduced a selection of troops. The vikings got so much with Coastal warriors that it really handicaps some of the other cultures nearby.
I think looking at paradox broadly at the moment makes me optimistic, I dunno if it was the catalyst or just the first but ever since the city skylines 2 dlc fiasco it seems like paradox as a company is taking a big step back and recalibrating how it does releases and dlc and just the whole production process, it’s not a coincidence it took this long for a release date for roads to power to come out (and being so far away) and at the same time spheres of influence gets delayed, city skylines 2 gets a whole… reset? And eu 5 starts getting unofficial dev diaries and close community interaction and being highly receptive to community feedback, it’s clear something is going on and I’m hopeful it’s for the better
It does feel a bit like what CA did and then they delayed thrones for several months so perhaps you’re right.
The fact that they launched without and still to this day do not have a variation of different government types is criminal. The game is very shallow and there is no variation at all. I used to play campaigns of CK2 back to back to back but I generally only pick this game back up for a campaign once every 2 months or so.
Judging by the player spikes at DLC release of around 10-30k more players according to steam id say you’re not alone in that.
I hope that there will be a mod that allows a feudal state to have a house next to its domain for roleplay reasons. Like the old ck2 Mod.
That could be cool
I'm admittedly an almost exclusive Euro Christian player, so stuff like landless, republics, nomads, etc. don't excite me too much, but I am optimistic about Roads to Power. If they pull off the Byzzie rework (hoping and praying), I'll be eager to see them flesh out the HRE and Papacy in time. The HRE at least has a little bit more going for it than the current ERE thanks to princely elective, but otherwise it's still just a pretty bland representation of imo the most fascinating polity of the age. I'd kill to see stuff like the Imperial Diet, electoral bargaining, restrictions on forming kingdom titles (sick of seeing Lothringia, Burgundy, and Italy all form within a century of a 1066 start), and maybe even a better reflection of the itinerant court than the current mechanics allow. And the Papacy as it stands is dreadful, a glorified slot machine. I want to see investiture (for ecclesiastic and secular titles), coronations, anti-popes, and papal mediation between warring Catholics.
Even as a shameless Eurocentric, I do agree that CK3 suffers greatly from every region, religion, government type, etc. basically playing like a reskinned European feudal monarchy. The flip side of that is that even among European feudal monarchies, things are too homogenous and boring. We need more Northern Lords-style DLCs, content focused on expanding specific areas of the game rather than just adding more universal (often bland or obscure) mechanics. Ultimately I have faith in Paradox to leave us with a good final product- late-era CK2, EU4, and Stellaris are all fantastic games- but with the current pace of DLCs, I'm not looking forward to having to wait the better part of a decade to get there.
It kinda dawned on me when I went to play a vanilla campaign that I almost exclusively gravitate to northern lords areas because it actually has flavor
Honestly, for veteran players like me that don't have a lot of money, paradox had their last chance about 12 last chances ago. I decided not to buy CK3 when they didn't even remotely fulfill their promise of having everything included in CK2. By the time CK3 matches up to its predecessor it will cost $300+, an impossible cost for many people that don't live in America.
With the worsening economic situation in the world, I'm just wondering when the hardcore fanboys will be forced to reevaluate their opinions on paradox's DLC policy like the rest of us.
Also based Mount & Blade reference 😎
Yeah the DLC model or rather the price gouging is terrible to put it mildly
I think next year’s dlcs should focus on governments, trade, and religions. Like you said in the video the biggest problem with the games government system is that most just feel like European feudalism with just a random culture paint on them, we need more variety in the government system. Trade could be added along side new governments like republics due to how big they were on trade, plus in general how big trade was in the medieval ages. Religion has always been a bit of a gripe for me, the tenets can be fun when making a custom religion, but my biggest problem with the system is how so many religion groups don’t feel like they have enough unique to them
I would be more than happy if those three were the DLC focus
I highly doubt Paradox will kill CK3 as we have to remember it does have high player numbers just on Steam. Though if Sphere of Influence for Victoria 3 does do badly it probably will be shelved.
Yeah maybe a bit of a stretch on my part to drop one of their most successful series but you never know. Poor Vicky 3 (although tbf I played it twice for maybe 8 hours total and never touched it again)
PDX thought that the newer audience they attracted with CK3 would love V3. Both games are board games, sandboxes, ahistorical, and heavily abstracted. Unfortunately, they dumb down CK3 so much that the players enjoying the game are casuals who don't give a shit about the marvelous construction queue simulator in a marxist pseudo economy.
I'm not sure about Victoria being shelved. Of course, it's impossible for us to assess what Paradox's expectations for the game are, but they did mention in a dev diary that they're aware Vicky is a super niche franchise and that they don't expect it to be among their most-played franchises. Besides, Imperator was in such a bad place that the last major update it received changed the game *fundamentally*. Victoria 3 and CK3 have a lot of issues, but the fact that the developers don't feel the need to totally rework their games gives a sense of hope
@@Qeutron_ What’s pathetic about V3 is that V2 veterans were telling Paradox from almost the very beginning that the direction they were going in was awful and they needed to course correct.
Their feedback was ignored.
Genuinely the only reason I'm playing this game are the mods. It's just not an enjoyable experience without. CK2 had its issues but the base game still had shit tons of varied content to explore. It seems like that just isn't the case with CK3. And then Paradox adds something like plagues, which were already extremely annoying and unfun in CK2 and they somehow manage to make it even worse. I'm not so sure their current path is the right one to take. I think this next DLC will decide if they made the right decision or if most of the past four years of development have practically been for naught. So many of the added mechanics so far are pretty but more annoying than enjoyable because they lack variety.
Mods and their teams and communities are def a huge saving grace for a lot of paradox games - maybe not HOI4 but we don’t talk about them
Let's hope this dlc isn't going to fumble like LOTD.
Idk if the game would survive if that’s the case
@@Soul_TomatoWhat is your opinion about Project Caesar?
Idk if we know enough about for me to say
@@Soul_Tomato It will have 3D characters as seen in the new Tinto Talk today.
It's weird, I was more willing to play the game when it had less features. The newly introduced ones at first glance seemed like exactly what the community was asking for, but the execution was just very lacking and impacts the whole experience. Maybe it's better not to have it than to have a bad one, and it is going to sink the game for me if Roads to Power ends up being a disappointment. Based on their track record they have a very low frequency of revisiting old DLC, if they butcher landless gameplay which is one of the few things that keeps me looking forward for the game's future then that might just be it for Crusader Kings for me.
I think it would be very hard for me to continue covering it as a primary aspect of the channel if Roads turns out to be another LOTD
They should bring back the old building systems and raised army system and it will improve the game greatly
I hear this often. I’d welcome at least a toggle option for it
Not even just feudal Europe. Feudal anglo-french Europe. Though CK2 had the same issue with feudalism.
I think that people would genuinely care a lot less about there being a mediocre dlc if there wasnt such long waits between these updates, or there was a custodians team. Royal Court and Tours and Tournaments really should have both been in the game at launch. But here we are in 2024 still missing so many core mechanics that CK2 had. By this point into CK2's dev cycle, we had 11 full fledged expansions, starting with Sword of Islam up to Conclave. With CK3, we have 6, and three of those are regional flavor/struggle packs. At this rate, it will take a VERY long time for us to catch up to CK2's content. The stuff they're doing to Roads of Power and Wandering Nobles is very interesting to me on paper, but I am deeply worried at the depth of said mechanics. CK3 would really benefit from a custodians team akin to Stellaris. I think there'd be much more hope and goodwill if Legends got a revamp, royal courts get get more court events, new artifacts and 3d models every patch, etc... These expansions NEED upkeep to justify their price gouged prices of $25 (the price of many good full standalone games). Not to mention as time goes on its going to become very samey if no new activity events are ever added.
Completely agree on the idea of a custodian team. That would be huge for the game.
I am optimistic, either way, for me mods are really the saving grace anyways, and if Imperator is now fun due to mods-CK3 will be fine in the worst case scenario.
Ideally though, of course, this dlc slaps and subsequent DLCs focus on Republics and Nomads, who are dying for a big rework. I didn't play Republics much in CK2, but they were a great addition. Not adding trade is baffling, its in mods already. Pdox is embarrassing itself the longer such a crucial aspect of medieval life is absent.
I agree with your assessment.
I also think modders would hold the game up without paradox - since they’ve already done so much with what we have.
@@Soul_Tomato More Bookmarks, Godherja, AtE, Bronze Age, etc. these mods have been holding CK3 up from day one more or less, like many Pdox games lmao
The biggest thibg for me is that the Byzantine flavor updates better be good. Playthrough definingly good. I don't want the Eastern Roman Empire to be the richest feudal in the european backwater, they need to feel like Rome.
New in depth mechanics would be great to see. We have enough funny pop-ups. Give me something to sink my teeth into!
Agreed
What Throwymew said.
New Anbennar and praising of the cube when
Yeah, I don’t have high hopes, 4 years of expensive nothing burger dlc and every country still plays the same.
We shall see
Game should have released with at least near CK2-parity as far as fundamental functionality. Instead, it had the ability to make your starting character a monster. Much as has happened with Payday 3 and its relationship to Payday 2, by having expensive DLC that don't bring in the good parts of the previous game and instead do things no one is asking for, players are left playing the game that has what they want and not the new one - denying developers and publishers the money they want.
Islam, Buddhism, Paganism, Astaru, Orthodoxy, Catholicism... Should all have very real ramifications to governance and play. Nomads, Imperials, Holy Roman Imperials, Kingdoms, Princedoms, Petty Kingdoms, Tribals, Republics of various types... We should have started with them all and they should have mattered.
If the sequel is not a superiour product, there is no pull to buy it.
I didn’t used to think it mattered as much but the second paragraph I definitely agree with. It’s not an opinion I’m proud to previously have had but I for sure see the light that we’ve been a bit duped. I do like CK3 (obviously) I just want it to be better.
The thing is, that's not true. More people play CK 3 than those who played CK 2. Just look at the steam charts, even the daily players have a huge gap and CK 2 base game is free to play...
@@l4nd3r CK3 players are a newer audience of casuals. The game is for them. Also, they didn't like V3. Thats why there are critics of both games but CK3 is succesful when V3 is a failure.
And both games are not liked by seasoned PDX players and simply strategy games players.
Have you thought about making a video on your one singular dream DLC, keep it realistic with the amout of content and singular focus of past DLCs. - For me it would be greater war diplomacy, maybe the ability to convince lords to betray their ruler and join your side in exchange for the promise of greater lands or a royal marriage, or the ability to send a spy into enemy camps to gain bonuses or assassinate a commander or Knight. Or maybe if you have enough dread, you may have the ability to negotiate with a count that you are besieging and will have a very small chance of them instantly surrendering, or if it is a civil war/same culture they may even join your side - I've been rereading Fire And Blood recently and can't help but think how cool CK3 could be with the war diplomany that happens in The Dance Of The Dragons.
Honestly I don’t think I’ve ever thought about it. Ideally I’d like certain areas with the same amount of flavor as Northern Lords like the Slavs and Nomads. But I’d also like to see a complete rework of the war system since it’s incredibly simplistic and not terribly challenging most of the time. Really I think it would be depth, I want more depth. I want to not feel like I’ve seen everything the second I become a king or emperor. I want a reason to be one.
@@Soul_Tomato Those are all good points and I completely agree. Great videos also, I love your content!
I'm really curious if Rodrigo Diaz de Vivar will get a boost in the new DLC, given that he's already related to an achievement and has his own legend seed
I think he was confirmed as one of the ones they were planning content for
I feel like paradox is losing touch with what players of most of their games want, ck2 was a dynastic grand strategy... ck3 is a medieval strategy RPG and it suffers the paradox slog which makes it unbearable to stick around for 8 years while they make it a complete game with 20 DLCs...
paradox needs to stop appealing to the royalty life sim role player crowd via 5 million pop ups and shore up the entire gameplay section with their DLCs like paradox does with literally every other title before this
I can’t imagine I’d stick around much longer if I wasn’t a channel dedicated mostly to it tbh. Especially if roads is bad.
CK3 is not EU4.
@@user-ev8zm7dk4i shut it, bot
@@user-ev8zm7dk4i Why is every comment I've seen you type just telling other people their opinion is wrong while offering absolutely nothing valuable to the conversation?
I dont even think CK3 is good for roleplaying because it's literally just pre-written events that lose their novelty if you've literally seen it multiple times in a single character's lifetime. It lacks dynamisms in a decisional level to pursue "roleplay" and ironically reduces *actual* roleplay potential.
For example, the stupid adamantite event instead of being the same exact event for everyone, it could be a randomized heretical religion or even just a random weirdo religion in general.
Then again, I don't think true roleplay should be in events - it should be mechanical expressions and interaction with the world, this is why I like cultural traditions more than court events and that's the only reason why I even like the Royal Court DLC.
I don't think the game is dying, or "being saved" anytime soon, i think it will stay in that range of quality
Probably a bit of hyperbole on my part but I know personally I wouldn’t play much longer if roads fails
@@Soul_Tomato yeah I can understand why. But I don't think road to power, even if it is done perfectly, would be that game changing. Because it's not trying to affect the core gameplay of most regions (only Byzantine will be really affected), but it's adding new things. It's like putting 18 sauces on a steak, it won't save it if the steak is burned.
Because even if road to power really succeeds, it will just add a unlanded phase to the game, without changing the core aspects that need to be changed the most : economy (via trade) and warfare
Thankfully I play modded so it would be huge for that if it’s a good system but I definitely understand
@@Soul_Tomato oh same I started playing modded quite recently so that would be good for me too. But that's not the dlc that will save core ck3. Trade would
I had never tried CK2 before but I finally decided to have a stab at it the other day.
Well I can't deny that it's an ugly ass game and its UI is downright prehistoric when compared to ck3 but even after just 5 hours of gameplay it's so much deeper.
-Vassals get pissed of if you keep their troops raised
-troops being raised from each individual counties (instead of each ruler getting his deathblob anywhere he wants)
-Societies
-Ships
-The council actually has an agenda and the personality of your councillors matters
-so many more kingdom laws (instead of just succession law and crown authority)
-more flavor events bakied into regular play (even just getting a physician is way more interesting: I restarted the game to see a few possibilities and got a crazy nun licking the boils off of the sick; a blind jewish mystic and a possible wizard getting a stay of execution for joining my court)
-The personality of your character isn't static : My character got a random event giving him the Lustful trait for sleeping with his wife during pregnancy (You can't get something like that in CK3 outside of stress events)
-council of cardinals
-saints
-county focus
And that's all within a 5 hour cursory overview mainly spent fiddling with the UI and the map modes. I haven't even touched the vikings, republics or nomads just yet.
Many of these mechanics or flavor events could be added back to CK3 with little to no hasstle. i don't understand why they haven't done it yet. Raising troops localy for example is a no brainer
Republics was my favourite way to play in CK2 followed by landless using the landless mod... I really hope they don't fail me on the landless gameplay this expansion.
Landless and new start date look really good although I expect theyll both be a part of free update, looking forward to new Byzantine mechanics
I’m curious what will be in the free update actually
@@Soul_Tomato I’m not fully sure but if they follow the pattern of previous content like legends of dead where major mechanics like plague were in the free update, just not as flushed out, then I’d expect some versions of major mechanics like being landless and hopefully the new start date too
@@RubberToeYT I think it would be better to have landless gameplay either fully free (unlikely) or completely behind paying for the DLC. I can't imagine where you would divide it in two without severely compromising the free version or making the paid part little more than cosmetic.
I think estates are better for the free update, assuming, as many have speculated, that they will be a big part of CK3s version of republics.
Byzantine? You mean Roman
Medieval merchant republics were small in terms of territory but large in terms of influence and reach. A Republic the size of an empire doesn't really make sense to me and I wish that they will implement a system to reflect that (maybe akin to the tradepost system in CK2 but better fleshed out).
I also think that republics shouldn't have access to the same MAA but be more limited to militias and dependent on mercenaries.
Another potential gameplay challenge would be addind disloyal or turncoat mercenaries (although I'm not sure it would appeal the general playerbase).
I like that idea a lot actually
Republics - Trade - and the completion of the eastern side of the map could go hand in hand in the next season of DLC. Especially since we now have a new start date, which does sit quite closely to when Marco Polo traveled Eastward. A character who could function well under the landless character concept.
Or, giving the Republics Trade as a bigger part of their game.
Oh I hadn’t even considered Marco Polo. Excellent observation.
@@Soul_Tomato And since Marco Polo does meet Kublai Khan, there could be an argument for a Horse Lords style DLC as part of the Republics and Trade season.
Yeah, let's hope. I feel paradox has gotten worse throughout the years. I remember when Paradox used to make more detailed games that was immersive.
It certainly seems to point in that direction which is a shame because I was recommend CK3 by a friend who adored CK2 and Paradox as a whole. It seems what’s come since hasn’t quite lived up to the standards of many aside from a rare few things. I still thing TT and Northern Lords are great DLC and features of the others also good.
The eu4 side of paradox is doing a really good job imo. But that can all change depending on how eu5 is.
I hear Stellaris is as well
@@Soul_Tomato Stellaris' most recent DLC is probablly the second best in the game so far and the player numbers have gone up to about CK3's 20,000 on Steam. It has very positive on Steam.
I think it is looking good so far but I am concerned about performance. Flavour looks really deep which I would say is the biggest issue in modern Paradox Grand Strategy Games.
Seriously CA and Paradox should've learn to give players what they want back in 2022 and 2023 and not tease us for years while giving lack luster dlcs. Wasted development time and opportunity cost
At least it SEEMS CA and Paradox are making moves to fix it. The new TW:W3 DLC was pretty good
yep i will buy it but if it will be bad i think that it will be the last ck3 dlc i will buy. I stopped playing regulary like 2 dlc's ago and while the persia one was ok for what it was, the dlc come slowly and are expensive while not fixing the core gameplay no tribal content no deeper religius mechanics only fluff and all dlc's feel self contained and badly conected with what came before.
We shall see
Have you given Knights of Honor 2 a fair chance? I just recently played it and a lot of character focused features that I personally feel like they lack in CK3 are in KoH2. I would highly appreciate it if Paradox gets CK3 content out more quickly.
Not heard of it until this moment. May have to check it out
All the promised features honestly sound great. A new start date alone will do wonders, but estates and such were always my favorite part of CK2, and why i played Merchant Republics so often.
I hope they deliver because it could be great
Yeah, I stoped caring with the release of Tours & Tournaments. That DLC made me see everything that CK3 could be, and everything it was not.
Heavy but fair
@@Soul_Tomatoyeah, I kinda want to get into game development to make what I saw, a true 4x RPG.
I found Legends of the Dead to be meh. I hope that Road to Power will be good. I usually don't play with mods with Paradox games.
I hope the Byzantine Empire administration system will be good. I missed the Republic system and nomadic, but I do miss the trade system.
I hope this DLC will be good, I missed CK2 with it stuff, despite its jank.
I hope it’s good too. We shall see
You’re so right about about how mechanical it all feels. With no real variance between the current government types gameplay is absolutely crippled in comparison to CK2. It’s such a shame it took them this long to (maybe) finally add the features which gave CK2 so much replay value
We shall see what they do once roads to power releases
Would def say that Tribal and Feudal governments need a deepening of its mexhanics and way how one interacts with ai rulers, be it vassals as a liege or with co-vassals. Hooks should have far more ways to be spent, more mechanics and new historical events.
I love the idea of landless gameplay. I think it will be another step in the right direction after tours and tournaments
I hope so!
I want Trade/Republics, Navies, and Unique Imperial mechanics at the top of my personal list, but I do not expect to get all of them.
I’m in the more optimistic camp when it comes to CK3’s development, I find it hard to believe that CK3 would get dropped similar to how Imperator did. Crusader Kings is one of PDS’ flagship games, whilst I believe Johan described Imperator as his “Passion project” in the comments of one of the Tinto Talks. Though what keeps me optimistic for CK3 is the recent dev diary (DD 147) where in they talked about how they’re looking towards working on older content, like court events, and improving it either through balancing or adding/replacing events. Though while I’m optimistic about the new DLC and changes in development I still hold some skepticism on it’s execution, for me I saw Legends of the Dead as a “meh” kind of DLC and my gripe with the DLCs is more that after maybe 2 playthroughs I’ve kind of seen it all and find it all to be a bit repetitive. Nonetheless I’m hopeful that the addition of not only administrative government, but also landless gameplay would give me more hope and expand my horizons when it comes to future runs.
Last bit to note is that I’ve heard people say that the reason why they chose September 24th as their release date is due to the higher ups in PDX wanting a Q3 release date but the devs wanted more time to work on the DLC in light of the recent DLC for Vic3 getting pushed back and the whole City Skylines 2 upheaval, so September 24th not only allows the devs more time to work on the DLC but also satisfies the Q3 deadline.
I swear, if it wasn't for mods like Princes of Darkness and the ones you've mentioned, I don't know how involved I would be in the game. I kinda just got all the achievements and then stuck almost exclusively to modded versions.
All the achievements is pretty impressive ngl. Some of them are pretty nuts
@@Soul_Tomato I would thank Tarkus for making an excellent guide on getting most of them in a fast manner, I did many on my own but he definitely helped me do some way faster.
Besides mayor stuff what i really want (and i knoww a lot of people will disagree) is an option to have bigger court rooms, wwhy am i as the emperor of Italy and Spain limited to 3 big wall things and 3 small wall things just as the small and poor king of Ireland? i constantly end up with an inventory full of furs, skulls, cool wepons and trapesties and after around 100 years in game i just have 0 reason to employ an artisan to make anything :/
I agree. You should be able to display every item. I realise that they limit the amount out on show so that you don't have super stacked buffs. But you could still have it on display. Sometimes, as an example, it is fun collecting all of the war banners. I wouldn't care if I didn't get any buffs from them but it would be nice to display them all.
@@jackochainsaw I honestly don't even care that much about the bonuses too, oh wow a +0,04 to renown if i put this furniture or a +0,2 to prestige per knight if i put this coffer how helpfull. i like the stuff for the roleplay value over anything else. except for the books, a solid +30% to experience can help aa lot.
I think at the very least empires should have their own court for each government type
its the last dlc i will buy from paradox if it flops..
Let’s hope it doesn’t. It would be a wonderful addition
Please my brother just wait for the reviews to come out before buying.
Pre-orders and day one purchases are the main reason why these companies feel so comfortable giving us garbage.
Affect their bottom line if you want real change 😤
Yea one of my favourite places to play in is the county of Moskau and forming the Russian empire 200-400 years early and then facing down the mongols as an end game boss but the mongols never get to me and if I use console commands to strengthen them so that they can by the time they do get to me they’re super weak and an absolute pushover, so I’ve been waiting for an update to the mongols and other nomadic tribes since launch it’s been 4 years i need this…
i REALLY dont want paradox to fuck this up
Same tbh
Will it really sink if it fails? I'm wondering because I don't really see many medieval family strategy roleplaying storytelling sims out there. I wish there was some competition, I just don't see anything I could play instead if the roads to power fail. Even if it is unplayable, I'll just roll back to a previous version and go on playing the game I enjoy.
"Rome:Imperator" seems to have failed mostly because it is kind of a mix of other paradox games, but other games do better at things it borrowed from them.
And Vicky3... is just factorio with maps, isn't it? I mean, I like it, I just hit the roof every time my government fails to vote for new laws at 90% success chance with three setbacks in a row.
I think it would honestly. You can only underperform so many times, plus the next dlc is lackluster in comparison to roads so it would be a pretty long wait between wandering nobles and another dlc (generally seems about 6 months between chapters)
As someone who has refused to make the migration from CK2 to CK3 because of the lack of quality, I assume if they continue to underperform people are literally just going to go back to the previous title, to say nothing of the people that are still waiting for it to get better so they can actually buy it.
@@Soul_Tomato I don't... I don't even find it underperforming, tbh. Flawed -- yes, sure, but I don't expect it to be flawless, they seem to be experimenting a lot with ck3 and making plenty of risky desisions. I still enjoy the new features and the most important thing to me is whether I still want to play the game. And I'm not sure either of us can estimate player satisfaction very well. I, for one, am terrified to write anything positive even in the comments here, lest I get bullied into oblivion for liking the wrong things and being too much of a fangirl :D
Let alone leaving steam reviews. Although I suppose I should if I enjoy the roads to power. Being able to play landless was something I've been dreaming of since ck2, and the mod that does it wasn't really playable to me.
Hey announced on my birthday :)
Oh happy birthday friend
@@Soul_Tomato thank you my man :)))
IMO CK3 has 2 Huge problems originating from before lunch that really crippled game... and its effects we see now...
1) Poor game direction and lack of Flexibility. From my perspective ck3 looks like some high up managers have looked at some numbers gathered from ck2 development cycle created plan on how game should be developed for even few years after lunch and gave this plan to devs and said "Execute it" and forbid to deviating from it. Unfortunately predicting what people want few years in to the future usually ends up badly... Imo that's why for fist 2 chapters most of DLC's were nothing fans wanted and devs couldn't do anything about it coz "Plan needs to be executed"... Plan evidently didn't worked and now they don't have any clear vision for the game so they started frantically responding to complines players had since day one. Quickly "fixing" things without further plan. Like plages that are just not fun to play with but added them since they were requested...
2)I know it my sound like HERESY for most of CK3 players but IMO CK3 has TOO BIG MAP... Devs have limited time, resources ect. before lunch so there was no way that devs could give justice to all regions of the world so they had to create core systems that will "kinda" work everywhere... That's why gameplay feels so diluted. No mater if its southern India or northern England core system needs to work for both. So how you do it ? You need to strip most cultural differences that make them unique and place something sterile and artificial. That's why cultural DLCs are so praised... they add uniqueness in place of this favourless slop that bounds all those different cultures together. By reducing map they wouldn't have to make compromises to fit core mechanics to soo many different cultures and focus on mechanics working well with games real point of interest... "Crusader Kings" I kinda doubt anyone buying game called "Crusader Kings" will attribute title with Tibetan kingdoms or central African tribes... but maybe its just me since NEVER play outside of Europe or "Islamic world"
I mean, you pretty much said it all
I’m sure there’s more but this is just how I’ve been feeling
@@Soul_Tomato Sure, there's always more to be said about any topic potentially, but from your videos, not just this one, I appreciate the articulation and the restraint you, no doubt, choose to display. Very refreshing, keep it up brother
One caveat. You said that PDX said they wouldn’t add new start dates. That’s wrong, they said they wouldn’t add any start dates that are pre 867
Ah my b. Must’ve misinterpreted
Wich sucks a charlemagne start would be nice
I think ck3 should add more ways to change your government, kinda like religions and culture. As a king I feel that you have too little ways to actual rule.
A good point
CA hasn't "turned the ship from the rocks" lol. Need to see your reasoning on that one.
I said if they want to not that they have
We soon will have CK4 ie Project Caesar ^^
That would be kinda of insane of that was what that project ended up being. Like an late Roman republic into empire CK style game
What bugs me is that whilst this will be a good DLC (I sense it will) there will be issues. I'm not big into the Byzantines. A lot of people like them for two reasons, they have the most central position on the map and they are the most powerful at the beginning of the game (which permits easy map painting) with the most baked in flavour from the get go. I'm not a byzanto-whore/phile so the fact that it feels like they had to bow to the noisy community on giving them this bugs me. We could have had something more interesting but this is what we got. That said there are some new mechanics that look cool. The adventure one is the one I'm most excited by, but I also like the sound of some of the personal estate stuff you can do so it would tempt me to give it a whirl. I'm a bit mid on it to be honest. I feel like both Legacy of Persia and Legends of the dead came out a bit lumpy from the oven and if they rush it again this will one will come out a bit dicey as well. What also bugs me is that when these drop, they aren't finished properly, so will we have all of the hotfix updates that we did last time. Will the balance be borked again? I'm not sure on this. As the Byzantine Empire (ERE or Byzantium as it is otherwise known) is so central, big changes to it could unsettle the balance in the campaign, which you could argue could be a great thing or a terrible thing depending on what way it goes.
A lot to ponder with that. I’ve never played there so I’m curious to try and work my way through the ranks but we will see
I just want more events that relate to my family instead of them being just a resource to spend.
Some more diversity and immersion, First of all realism would be what I Wish for ck3.
Yeah they have said in the past that was their aim but that seems to be contradictory to the actual game
I love the game and all that comes with it - I own all dlc except the music and all 3 series - the game come far and hope it keeps going - for a ck4 maybe - like adding the cool trailers in the game - like for certain events that be cool - just started with some mods like agot - that's fun - to bad the devs didn't come up with the idea - not saying the mods arnt great - there awesome - thanks for the vids
I have over 1000+ hours in CK3. I was one of the biggest defenders from naysayers over the years but it’s gotten to a point where everything is stale. When there is so many good games out there including some in Paradox’s own library CK3 just isn’t rising to the top of the playlist anymore. I haven’t played it for more than 10-15 hrs since the last DLC so I’m hoping this one will at least renew some interest
I was right there with you. I mean one of my most viewed videos on the channel is basically a defense of it in comparison to CK2 at the same age. But I’d be lying if its lack of variety hasn’t worn on me recently.
i mean i loved stellaris +DLC+mods for like the first four years. but its almost unrecognizable now and just not a game i want to play (mainly their inability in 8 years to fix the late game lag, not wanting any of the new DLC plus needing relearn almost everything, due to power creep/and or update nerfing) hoping that doesn't happen with ck3.
I can’t imagine it would but that sounds awful
@@Soul_Tomatoin defense of Stellaris, I do have to say it has consistently some of the better rated dlcs and has some of the best variance in Paradox games. Plus I do have a pretty good PC so end game lag is rarely a big issue, with stuff like HOI being way worse for me.
However, I do agree it’s lost “that” feeling awhile ago. I think most of the modern stuff is pretty good and well worth the money (except the vassal dlc since I hate how the ai do it) but it has lost a bit of that charm as the years go by. Not a bad game at all, infact it’s my favorite paradox game followed by CK3, and its content has made people routinely, but it just doesn’t feel the same anymore.
I don't play Stellaris since the launch but, and while your point on late game lag is fair, the updates and dlc they have made seem very good to me when it comes down to content and it doesn't seem like you particularly disagree with that either, Paradox has done a lot of mistakes but criticizing Paradox for you not wanting to learn how to play the new content and because you feel nostalgic towards the earlier version is just stretching it a bit too far and just criticizing for the sake of criticizing
Stellaris were reworked hardly atleast twice, in 2.2 megacorp and 3.0 nemesis updates. If person went on coma in 2018, and then waked up 6 years later, he wouldn't recognise stellaris at all, for it's not just energy, food, minerals and science, and with 1 tile - 1 pop system. Now it's system with districts, building slots, advanced resources and with planets, sometimes having hundreds of pops, instead of 25 max in old one. Many not understood, or just not liked total economic rework, and just gone, or sometimes appearing to say old stellaris is better. But i looking at these days from today, and saying what rework is indeed were good idea, and i can't realise, how they could have put ecumenopolis, or how mods would made birch worlds or, actually, any big/infinitely expanding habitats/worlds.
Saying about lag, pop were most lag generating since megacorp, but the thing what devs put effort in making less laggy, so now pops is still major lag generator, but it's only second/third after hyperrelays and having big ass navy, which lag game hard too.
@@tenshihinanawi4546 ah yes the ol' avoid lag strat of just play a tall, peaceful pacifist non-map painter in our map painter game...
I don't know...I really enjoy this game. I love how you can say f all and literally bring a demon to life and just change the history of cultures, faiths, etc... I wish they would release more things that could alternate history in my opinion. Im really into experimenting
Hate to say it but the only part if this dlc thats exciting is landless play I wish they were just selling that for $10
It could potentially be part of the free update but I would be surprised if
@@Soul_Tomato no way they're going to do all that work for free lol
Hmmm idk about the dlc but i hope they dont flop the landless part cause thats the core selling point. The other dlc is abit lack in depth in terms gameplay just numbers game nothing adds to the story just oh you have this legacy that gives some bonus. It will be cool tho if the AI reply to your message and refers to you as the legacy title maybe idk. Just spouting nonsense right now hahaha. Looking forward for lore video.
Nonsense is fine, which this wasn’t, but it’s always welcome
I think I played ck3 for like a week and then I got bored and never bothered again, which is wild because I loved ck2. I just feel like there is no depth to the game. The only thing that's made me want to start again is watching some of the mods, but even then not sure I want to bother with the dlc
Mods are def worth the time. Things like Princes of Darkness might as well be their own game for how much they add
They've got a good bit of time indeed
Better cook up something good
The sack of Constantinopel was such a shitstorm. The attack on Constantinopel wasn't just to repay Venice. The crusader choice in attacking Constantinopel was to install Alexios IV Angelos after Alexios III Angelos had removed The former emperor Isaac II Angelos.
The fourth crusade was a shitstorm.
But one note you should know is that the majority if the crusaders did not partake in the attack on Constantinopel but continued to the city of Acre.
the OSRS music is a good choice
Thanks! An all timer
sure I'm optimistic and of course i want ck3 to be great... now quick help me inflate this liferaft.
I hear copium is a great flotation device
@@Soul_Tomato the rising copium lifts all boats or something.
Venice during the Fourth Crusade: *we do a little trolling*
A simple plundering if you will
4:48 Tribal is in the end also just a step before you have to go Feudal/Clan do not get crushed from more advanced neighbours and Clan is locked to Muslim Religion.. yeah the choice is not rly that impressive tbh
Which sort of furthers the point it needs to be expanded then. diversity in gameplay styles is what will keep the game alive. We’ve all played it to death at this point.
@@Soul_Tomato Yeah also some regions feels really dont worth playing/dead.. i tried Siberia once well.. no special decision.. Khazaria to your South.. and even if you can create a Empire the Mongols are literally before your doorstep when Genghis Khan spawns.. No wonder most of the People play in Europe or somewhere around Arabia etc.
Atleast some special form of Goverment like Nomad what i also see in the video would bring some spice in that more overseen area.
I think nomad would be hugely popular if brought back - I know I’d play it
New Start Date Fuckin FINALLY
What bother me the most with CK3 is that the AI is passive as hell, it's never a danger without the player messing things up. I have to restrain myself from using mechanics to have any kind of challenge.
Sometimes it's seem more like playing with a doll house and creating the challenge and story in your head than playing a video-game.
Even when i force myself to make bad moves and set up an interesting succession crisis, most of the time nothing happen and everything is back to normal in one war, i killed commonners that were rotting in my jail and my vassals are too afraid to make any moves/alliance that could overthrow me. The player have too many get out of jail free cards
Most of the game is reading meaningless event that result in a stress modifier and pretending something happened
it's painful how there aren't republics and trade in the game
To be honest, I really need that trade. I noticed this whilst playing an Emperor start for a change (I normally play a lower level for more challenge). I started as the Seljuk Emperor and with all that money that you get with an emperor start, it does really make life a whole lot easier. I dislike how much of a money sink so many events and decisions are and how they scale rather hideously at the mid and late game. The corrections that paradox made to prevent "inflation" to both prestige and piety were rather annoying as they make some artefacts worthless.
The problem with these big costs are that they force you into patterns that you repeat over and over again which takes the fun out of the game. One example is changing your religion to have communion so that as the head of faith, you get paid for other people's sins. Trade would be challenging but at least would be satisfying as a supplement to other methods of money generation. It would lower the need for cheese strats so Paradox wouldn't have work so hard with the nerf bat.
I can't comment on Republics. I never played CK2 so I have no point of reference on that one.
They just need to make the game harder and make the AI more active. Every game of CK3 plays exactly the same and it’s frustrating
Mods do a good job of this but the base game might as well be a ghost town half the time
The AI is really brain dead when William takes the crown of England. Phillip never tries to take the duchy of Normandy back. I had to pay the pope for a claim and give it back to him. Playing as a vassal is way more hard not because of the restrictions, but your liege is always an idiot.
In regards to trade, the DLC is called "Roads to Power", so surely it includes the *Silk* Road, right? Not adding trade in a DLC like that is like not adding coronations in a DLC about legitimacy. Oh wait.
This game seriously needs a good custodian team.
Wouldn’t hurt
Firstly, I don't have the context of CK2.
Every time I see a "why isn't x in ck3 yet it was in CK2!" the TOP reply, especially for nomads and even for republics, is almost always "do you really want it implemented like it was in CK2? It wasn't that good". Furthermore, pdx have repeatedly said that if something like that was in 2 but isn't in 3, it's because they weren't satisfied with how it turned out in 2 and they want to do it better.
I swear, sometimes I think parts of this fan base want development on 3 to be canceled and for no new players to jump in.
This dlc look cool as hell
Im ready for nomads
Let me wander
I think fixing the console would help the 5% of player base
The console stuff is a whole other can of worms. It’s nuts how behind it is but didn’t they switch the people porting it?
@@Soul_Tomato I just dont know but they aren’t doing much considering I can play for 20mins without it crashing and potentially deleting my save
New start date is spicy and the DLC has so much potential. If done right, this will singlehandedly save the game.
But the precedent? The CK3 team hasn't done anything right and there is no reason to believe they'll change any time soon. Legends of the Dead was a perfect too and look how that ended up.
Yeah I do worry that the great on paper concept will remain on paper but I hope to be pleasantly surprised.
They seem to suffer a dilemma of whether to focus on historical gameplay or roleplaying. Picking one side upsets the other, but trying to include both is leaving both sides unsatisfied. Given they're the ones handling the source code, it would make more sense to focus on new gameplay mechanics and roleplaying opportunities unavailable to modders. We already know from the community that historical immersion mods are easily made, and somewhat more accurate to the game than what the devs make.
I see the png and already know a fellow fallen eagle fan
The problem is the play button. As soon as you hit it, you are moving into "ahistorical" waters. Unless you scripted the entire game from end to end with historical events, you are not going to get a "true" historical game. Functioning gameplay mechanics are what we want. Roleplaying opportunities do add the flavour. I think they should do more like what they did recently with the starter characters. Giving them some more dialogue and special decisions was a good move. That way you cut some kind of historical path but with some alternative options which take you off the track.
doesnt matter ill still play this slop for 15 hours a day
God speed John Crusader Kings
@@Soul_TomatoJohn III Crusader Kings*
Make or break or save or sink ?? Bro I actually have 3266.9 hours played on CK3 and 447 hours on CK2 also I’m not talking about Stellaris or EU, CK3 is a Solid 87%. With all DLC’s for every game except EU 4. I don’t like the legend system from Legends of the dead DLC.
CK3 needs more Northern Lords like DLC
Will this even be on console?😭 Me and my friends love CK3 but you can’t even play it on console without it crashing every 5 minutes literally it takes longer for us to party back up than for it to crash again 😭
Console is broken it seems. I have no idea when it’ll even catch up
Idk with the new dev update for EU5, I still think for some reason EU5 will be a better medieval strategy game than CK3. But this update will probably be a good one but its too little too late. I think CK3 will probably be abanodoned too. Atleast by me. And I'm a big fan. The features feel childish or something, not sure how to explain. But there already is barely any strategy in this game and what is left of the strategy is waterd down to bigger number beats smaller number haha my family tree is a circkle. I hate it. Trade is a MUST for any respectable medieval simulator. its honestly as if they're ignoring their historical advisors or just have people who dont care about history in their team. So many mistakes and weird choices have been made for this game. The enitre game feels childish.
It’s def made to appeal to a wider audience but little is done to appeal to old fans of late
CK3 lacks interaction. Paradox's idea of gameplay is to create cheap events that even AI could write, slap them together, add triggers for them and call it a day. Let the player experience them by waiting. Let player interact with others by waiting for events to happen.
When was the last time they added PLOTS? When was the last time they added schemes?
Why does being on council do ABSOLUTELY NOTHING beside some modifiers. Where are the events, interactions, special powers you get for being a councillor? Why does only regent have to have special events and powers?
You know why Tours and Tournaments is so good? It added interactions and ways to influence the world. It was great. Compare that to Legends of the dead which is a waiting simulator with mediocre rewards.
I have no hope for CK3 until developers get their shit together and actually start adding more player interaction.
Completely agree mate, the same events over and over make the experience bland, you end up being there for your own gameplay carving your own stories but beyond that for the base feudal game Paradox offered very little. And indeed the council is a joke.
the issue with this DLC is that customers are expected to pay money for a DLC that was a DLC for the prior game. Then unfortunately the prior DLCs have been bad to annoyingly tedious. I've moved on from CK3. Looking back on the game, it is a game that I don't think was ever good. It should have had most if not all the features of the DLCs from CK2. I think you should be critical of Paradox, unless you want them to end up like Creative Assembly. To be honest, it looks to be to late to save the game but I think Creative Assembly would be a different company if players (mostly RUclipsr shills) would have kept the pressure going when they made extremely poor decisions.
Yea if this fails then I’m done supporting ck3 and will just be praying that eu5 turns out decent. I think the biggest issue ck3 suffers from is a lack of flavor stop making everything a struggle mechanic and actually invest in new government types/flavour mechanics for different cultures or regions; I can’t believe they turned Persia into to just another struggle mechanic!
Isn't CK3 their most played game right now? It doesn't make any financial sense for them to abandon it, even if this next dlc bombs
yeah EU4 is full of shitty dlc release and still arround
Yeah man, the DLCs have all been solid, I’ve have little complaints about any of them. The real problem is how slow they’re released. If we got 4 or 5 flavor packs similar to Northern Lords in a year this game would pop tf off.
I think that’s probably not far off. When I made my review of chapter 2 I’m fairly certain I mentioned that if they leaned into more flavor content vs stuff like friends and foes the game would be much better
If they had a year dedicated to flavour packs, they would clean up. If they followed the same path of adding a unique mechanic each time, all of the art and music, they would make bank. If anything they would benefit by having a team solely doing flavour packs end to end. Then another team doing the other DLC (Expansion, Core, Story). I realise its not as simple as that but it would definitely get the CK3 heart beating properly.
The community shouts out exactly what the game is lacking. They are just very slow in getting to it.
The game has its fair share of problems
But the simple fact of the existance of mods like elder kings realms in exiles and games of thrones make it highly unlikely that the core players enthusiasts will ever abandon their the ship
Just look at hearts of iron 4
The game today is a hell lot different from day 1 publishing with a ton of features and modes that make playing it like a new game experience
Just be real guys
No this dlc will not sink ck3
Like the biblical flood of dlc didn’t sink Europa universalis 4 stellaris and hoi 4
Some player will not like it
But most people that has already bought and play the base game will buy the new dlc
Mods are the saving grace for me - obviously. If only EK2 would update…
@@Soul_Tomato ck2 was a good game but it is frankly outdated in term of visual
i frankly cannot force myself to return to ck2 after experiencing ck3
but i understand the feeling
mods are essential to keep a game alive
just look at the older total war
hel i still have medieval 2 total war installed on my pc just to play divide and conquer of LOTR or elder scroll total war
If this dlc adds a lot of flavor to Byzantium,i think CK3 is saved
Idk if that’s enough but if the new government system is cool and unique I think it’ll hold us over for a bit
I'm not sure how CK3 could sink..... the games amazing. I'm maybe on my 15th playthrough... already got my moneys worth 10 times over.