:D for sure, and this is far from the worst. Like most militaries ours love their abbrevations. Pvpjtgb reads out "Pansarvärnspjästerrängbil", roughly in english "Anti-tank gun terrain vehicle".
Worth noting that the name is exactly what the vehicle is: pansarvärnspjästerrängbil = pansarvärnspjäs (anti-tank artillery) terrängbil (all terrain vehicle). So in swedish the name is actually easy to remember because its just literally what the system is 😅
This vehicle (without the RR gun) was featured in a couple of seasons of "The Man in the High Castle", depicting a vehicle replacing the Kubelwagen in the alternate timeline 1960s.
Thank you Stefan et al. These types of gun carriers tend to be ignored, although they filled important roles and had higher availability than tracked vehicles. Also much quicker and easier to set up camouflage nets with their underlying scrim. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
It also makes it really easy to repair after a crash once you get the impaled driver off of the steering wheel end...😬 But it was the most popular milsurp vehicle of my childhood.
@@SonsOfLorgar haha yeah seems like they really wanted to take the chest-impaler feature of the jeep to the next level! Still would love to drive one of these though
4:23 ”It’s a hell of a bang” … I concur. During your military service, I happened to traverse the terrain behind a group of these during a live fire exercise. At perhaps 100 meters it feels like my guts were ripped. Further, I think the crew were supplied with a face mask to protect from the cold (especially useful when driving) and extra thick gloves.
Weather like that it's actually really nice as long as it's not windy. The sun warms nicely, the air is really fresh and nice, and as long as you move around just a little bit it's easy to stay warm (generally so warm you need to start opening/peeling off layers of clothes).
Kind of feel it's a bit of a design flaw that to use the recoilless rifle you've got to fold the roll cage out of the way .... In a war that's going to be annoying , but with a conscript army I can see the necessity , boys will be boys after all
The roll cage wasn't part of the original design, it was added a few months after the vehicle entered service after half a dozen off and onroad rollovers killed or crippled, on average 3/5 of the crew each time... Crews consisting of 18yo to 20yo conscripts fresh out of highschool with parents and sibblings that expected them to be back home 10-18 months later... And the Roll cage wasn't all useless, it was great for tying on foliage, saplings, tarp and cammo netting in a way that meant it only took half a minute to mask and unmask what other vehicle crews had to spend up to twenty minutes total to do every time the unit halted for food or rest...
This kind of AT-weapon is not for rapid attac tactics. You roll in a position where you can wait to enemy to come in your sight and firing range. You try to never expose the vehicle to enemies, only the gun and gunner should be above a cover. You shot one or two rapid shots and then leave.
The idea of free-floating on a gimball instead of having to crank handwheels to follow a target seems quite interesting to "hip-shoot" an then run. Is the gun balanced loaded? Seems a bit nose heavy when empty, I guess with the round in the chamber is perfectly balanced.
A target moving at constant speed and no bobbing around up and down is surprisingly easy to follow. The high velocity of the HEAT grenade help if the advance of the reticle ("hair cross") is not perfect. Mind you an enemy tank is and was several meters long. With the gun on the carriage one could move to positions not expected by an enemy and keep a literately low profile. The gun is in use in Ukraine now. de SA3BOW
@@drontobil thanks for the info. I'm still convinced that aiming moving the gun with your body (like the shoulder rest on Matilda II) is easier than coordinate two hands on two axes on separate hndwheels.
@@fabiogalletti8616 Yes it is so with this gun. The gunners position don't allow much side travel. But training to shoot fast and get away is the key here. Agan the high speed grenade is a benefit. Compare that with a wire guided robot. Flight time is longer so the field of observation/lead with no obstacles must be wider. With this gun only a narrow slot in the woods is enough to get a "lead" and shoot. And the "hip shoot'n" as you call it has a few more advantages than a hand cranked gun have: Simpler, lighter, cheaper design that equals more guns produced. Can be moved with a smaller crew. In the end it mean more grenades can be delivered to target. And talking from experience from art pieces: No cogs where debris get the gun stuck. It is easy to spray ones empties from the gun crews then normal weapon 9 mm SMG. Those empties find peculiar ways to wrong places. Development shown in Ukraine have now made this gun less useful compared to FPV. Still it show that Sweden was right making this gun to fight contemporary vehicles and that it worked even at the start of russian full scale aggression in Ukraine. Side notes: the optic sight was made also to allow semi indirect fire. But no grenade was developed for that. The top mounted gun is an example of a historical habit in the Swedish army: Combine and reuse stuff for something it was not intended. The innovative and brave Ukrainians master this now. de SA3BOW
Two men on skis in tandem and two more, one on each side of the two tandemskiers. in downhill the two on the sides act for breaking speed. Have tried that, the pulk is made of glasfiber and has a bracket for the gunmount so you fire from the pulk. :-)
that ride was fun! thanks! could we maybe get a ride inside the m21? what happens if you use the gun with the rollbars up? were covers/cab enclosures ever improvised by crews?
Basically, yes. It is a legendary engine, that was improved upon and developed into several versions. It is known to be one of those "immortal" engines that will outlive the veichle it is in, as long as it is serviced and cared for. It was also used in Volvo PV, Volvo p1800 and volvo 142, as far as I know.
Spring in Sweden - good to see - and an interesting gun-car, very mobile. Rangefinding via infantry gun - with increasing distance, the difference in trajectories increases, gun looses much of its precision, right ...?
The smaller calibre round is ballisticly matched with the recoilless rifle, and is a tracer. The gunner fires burst or single shot until the small round strikes the target, then fires the main weapon. Our anti tank platoon guys (US 105mm mounted on a SWB Landrover Series 2) used to boast the tank crew would hear the ‘ping’ of the small round, milliseconds later, turret ripped open. The 105 used a ballisticly matched fifty caliber ‘spotter’ rifle.
It's usually with a matched ballistics out to a certain range (normally the effective range of the main weapon). It was a common and quick way to rangefind before laser rangefinders were a thing and were even used on tanks like the Centurion, Chieftain and Vickers export models.
Is it really? Ukraine uses the Soviet SPG-9 and maybe they've got their hands on US M40 recoilless rifles, but do they really have any of the Swedish ones?
Yes, there are some videos of it in Ukraine. I don't think there are many of them, and I don't think they are used in the most active sectors. I don't think there is a lot of ammunition for these but if they are only used once, then it's better than nothing. The origin of it is a little unclear from what I've seen. It was probably transferred to Estonia in the 90's as military aid, and then given to Ukraine by Estonia. But it may have come from Sweden though, as part of the first shipments of surplus. Sweden went public with some of the flashy stuff for PR reasons, but typically don't publish the content of the military aid.
B-styrka, meaning "B-force". Sometimes with an added "...from great power red". This was a completely fictional term that did not indicate any real country as we were neutral. (Great power red always came over the Baltic Sea and sometimes Great power blue who was also fictional established convoys with supplies to gothenburg or evacuated refugees to the northwest. )
Australia purchased the Charlie Gutsache….Carl Gustuv, but because of involvement in Vietnam, a conflict which Sweden disliked, they would not supply ammo. I believe this lingering bitterness went against the selection, or even consideration of CV90 for Land 400, lest Swedish decide Australia is fighting the wrong enemy again.
Generally Sweden has been against supplying weapons to unnecessary and offensive wars. Basically, if you intend to use our weapons for other reasons than self defense, we're not keen on selling them to you. It caused some controversy when the USA chose to invade and occupy Iraq in 2003, it was one thing to sell weapons to the USA when they invaded Afghanistan as it could be construed as a sort of self defense, but there were no real excuses for Iraq, so there was a public outcry to rip up trade agreements concerning the sale of the AT-4 and other swedish weapons in US service. (Don't think those agreements actually were broken, as we're in a place in time where economic agreements are more important than human rights.)
An interesting thing is that Sweden continued to develop the HEAT ammo so the country became one of the most successful, also with the american 105 mm aviable, that Sweden it self never used.
You Swedes have definitely knack for vehicle names that are hard to spell and remember :D
:D for sure, and this is far from the worst. Like most militaries ours love their abbrevations. Pvpjtgb reads out "Pansarvärnspjästerrängbil", roughly in english "Anti-tank gun terrain vehicle".
I agree, but as far as names go, can you think of one more Swedish than 'Stefan Karlsson?'
It is a counter intelligens operation.
Makes sense in Swedish tho 😂
Worth noting that the name is exactly what the vehicle is: pansarvärnspjästerrängbil = pansarvärnspjäs (anti-tank artillery) terrängbil (all terrain vehicle). So in swedish the name is actually easy to remember because its just literally what the system is 😅
Interesting vehicle. The best part is Stefan's narration. Please keep producing these videos...
This vehicle (without the RR gun) was featured in a couple of seasons of "The Man in the High Castle", depicting a vehicle replacing the Kubelwagen in the alternate timeline 1960s.
2:22 HAHAHAHA! You were so right to put this popup message there!
Stepfan knows how to make interesting videos I love this channel
Thank you Stefan et al. These types of gun carriers tend to be ignored, although they filled important roles and had higher availability than tracked vehicles. Also much quicker and easier to set up camouflage nets with their underlying scrim. Cheers from NZ🇳🇿.
Great video with a great straight talking presenter. Thank you. Huzzah!! 😊
Same engine as my old Volvo 122S "Amazon" sedan, which we called "Trixie".
Tack för trevligt reportage/film! Hoppas kunna besöka Arsenalen i sommar.😀😀
first vehicle I see with an external steering column :) That looks like a ton of fun to drive!
It also makes it really easy to repair after a crash once you get the impaled driver off of the steering wheel end...😬
But it was the most popular milsurp vehicle of my childhood.
@@SonsOfLorgar haha yeah seems like they really wanted to take the chest-impaler feature of the jeep to the next level! Still would love to drive one of these though
@@warci Its very nice to drive.
Otroligt roliga fordon att framföra men föredrar "valpen" vilken dag som helst...dom Good Yeardäcken kommer alltid vara min favorit.
Very interesting video, as always.
Very nice Video. Interesting vehicle and gun. Also nice to see you having some fun :)
Aloha; well done! Looks like lot of fun to drive in the summer. Mahalo
A beautiful Spring morning with ice covered puddles does not compute! A great vid, as always, thank you.
It’s Sweden….
It's sunny, the air is fresh and nice, it's not windy, and it's not way below zero. What's not amazing about it? :D
Fantastiskt kanal & en värd i världsklass 👍🏻🥇
haha a v12 in that would be a monster! stefan, you'd want a v12 in a VW! 😊
Your videos are the best!
Hell of a bang. Lovely
Yes!
4:23 ”It’s a hell of a bang” … I concur. During your military service, I happened to traverse the terrain behind a group of these during a live fire exercise. At perhaps 100 meters it feels like my guts were ripped.
Further, I think the crew were supplied with a face mask to protect from the cold (especially useful when driving) and extra thick gloves.
please more videos
I hope this ends up in warthunder for everyone to experience , will be difficult to use with its bad gun depression but it will be fun overall
Sneaky but fun vehicle, you have my support. 😁👍
Very neat vehicle. thanks.
Tack för en intressant video.
Ingenious folding roll bar.
Great video, please do the TGB 1111 next!
Springtime in Sweden looks bloody cold.
It definitely can be, Stefan's part of Sweden is around the same lattitude as Newfoundland...
meh.... after a few months of double digit minus temperatures, 4C feels actually rather balmy, especially in the sun.
Weather like that it's actually really nice as long as it's not windy. The sun warms nicely, the air is really fresh and nice, and as long as you move around just a little bit it's easy to stay warm (generally so warm you need to start opening/peeling off layers of clothes).
Vår? Jo jo din optimist. Förresten. Ett sådant åk har jag önskat mig länge😅
Kind of feel it's a bit of a design flaw that to use the recoilless rifle you've got to fold the roll cage out of the way .... In a war that's going to be annoying , but with a conscript army I can see the necessity , boys will be boys after all
The roll cage wasn't part of the original design, it was added a few months after the vehicle entered service after half a dozen off and onroad rollovers killed or crippled, on average 3/5 of the crew each time...
Crews consisting of 18yo to 20yo conscripts fresh out of highschool with parents and sibblings that expected them to be back home 10-18 months later...
And the Roll cage wasn't all useless, it was great for tying on foliage, saplings, tarp and cammo netting in a way that meant it only took half a minute to mask and unmask what other vehicle crews had to spend up to twenty minutes total to do every time the unit halted for food or rest...
Mostly there so as not to kill young boys on peacetime exercises, how many would have bothered with it in war is a different matter. :)
The rollcage would be dismounted in wartime. I was a platoonleader in a AT-company with these jeeps ;-)
This kind of AT-weapon is not for rapid attac tactics. You roll in a position where you can wait to enemy to come in your sight and firing range. You try to never expose the vehicle to enemies, only the gun and gunner should be above a cover. You shot one or two rapid shots and then leave.
" Klart bakåt Helvete kommer "
The idea of free-floating on a gimball instead of having to crank handwheels to follow a target seems quite interesting to "hip-shoot" an then run.
Is the gun balanced loaded? Seems a bit nose heavy when empty, I guess with the round in the chamber is perfectly balanced.
A target moving at constant speed and no bobbing around up and down is surprisingly easy to follow.
The high velocity of the HEAT grenade help if the advance of the reticle ("hair cross") is not perfect.
Mind you an enemy tank is and was several meters long.
With the gun on the carriage one could move to positions not expected by an enemy and keep a literately low profile.
The gun is in use in Ukraine now.
de SA3BOW
@@drontobil thanks for the info. I'm still convinced that aiming moving the gun with your body (like the shoulder rest on Matilda II) is easier than coordinate two hands on two axes on separate hndwheels.
@@fabiogalletti8616 Yes it is so with this gun. The gunners position don't allow much side travel.
But training to shoot fast and get away is the key here. Agan the high speed grenade is a benefit.
Compare that with a wire guided robot. Flight time is longer so the field of observation/lead with no
obstacles must be wider.
With this gun only a narrow slot in the woods is enough to get a "lead" and shoot.
And the "hip shoot'n" as you call it has a few more advantages than a hand cranked gun have:
Simpler, lighter, cheaper design that equals more guns produced.
Can be moved with a smaller crew. In the end it mean more grenades can be delivered to target.
And talking from experience from art pieces: No cogs where debris get the gun stuck.
It is easy to spray ones empties from the gun crews then normal weapon 9 mm SMG.
Those empties find peculiar ways to wrong places.
Development shown in Ukraine have now made this gun less useful compared to FPV.
Still it show that Sweden was right making this gun to fight contemporary vehicles and that it
worked even at the start of russian full scale aggression in Ukraine.
Side notes: the optic sight was made also to allow semi indirect fire. But no grenade was developed
for that. The top mounted gun is an example of a historical habit in the Swedish army: Combine and
reuse stuff for something it was not intended. The innovative and brave Ukrainians master this now.
de SA3BOW
I like the version of that gun when it's mounted on a pulk. Ammo in another pulk. Can anone tell me a bit more about that?
Two men on skis in tandem and two more, one on each side of the two tandemskiers. in downhill the two on the sides act for breaking speed. Have tried that, the pulk is made of glasfiber and has a bracket for the gunmount so you fire from the pulk. :-)
that ride was fun! thanks! could we maybe get a ride inside the m21?
what happens if you use the gun with the rollbars up? were covers/cab enclosures ever improvised by crews?
I swear Clutch should be gunning this out of the Pit in a G.I. Joe comic!
The tires are mounted correct. But why like that? Is it like the French, we have to be different because we can?
Wait, isn't that the same engine as Volvo Amazon?
Basically, yes. It is a legendary engine, that was improved upon and developed into several versions. It is known to be one of those "immortal" engines that will outlive the veichle it is in, as long as it is serviced and cared for.
It was also used in Volvo PV, Volvo p1800 and volvo 142, as far as I know.
Any on the surplus market. Nice vehicle.
with the roll-bars, it wouldn't be very difficult to make a soft-top, help keep the winter out.
The replacement to this vehicle came with a soft-top.
The Gausshog we have at home
What is the tire size on the vehicle and brand. Very cool vehicle. Thanks for sharing.
Is the engine the same as the other versions of the chassis?
Spring in Sweden - good to see - and an interesting gun-car, very mobile.
Rangefinding via infantry gun - with increasing distance, the difference in trajectories increases, gun looses much of its precision, right ...?
The smaller calibre round is ballisticly matched with the recoilless rifle, and is a tracer. The gunner fires burst or single shot until the small round strikes the target, then fires the main weapon. Our anti tank platoon guys (US 105mm mounted on a SWB Landrover Series 2) used to boast the tank crew would hear the ‘ping’ of the small round, milliseconds later, turret ripped open. The 105 used a ballisticly matched fifty caliber ‘spotter’ rifle.
It's usually with a matched ballistics out to a certain range (normally the effective range of the main weapon). It was a common and quick way to rangefind before laser rangefinders were a thing and were even used on tanks like the Centurion, Chieftain and Vickers export models.
But is that not 4 wheel drive?
All joking aside, yes a spring ride👍... perhaps you'll run into some left over winter slop😉
This Gun is used in Ukraine today.
Still knocking out armoured vehicles.
Is it really? Ukraine uses the Soviet SPG-9 and maybe they've got their hands on US M40 recoilless rifles, but do they really have any of the Swedish ones?
Baltic surplus ones of swedish orgin.
Yes, there are some videos of it in Ukraine. I don't think there are many of them, and I don't think they are used in the most active sectors. I don't think there is a lot of ammunition for these but if they are only used once, then it's better than nothing.
The origin of it is a little unclear from what I've seen. It was probably transferred to Estonia in the 90's as military aid, and then given to Ukraine by Estonia.
But it may have come from Sweden though, as part of the first shipments of surplus.
Sweden went public with some of the flashy stuff for PR reasons, but typically don't publish the content of the military aid.
Did the Swedish army have a specific nickname for the simulated bad guys in training?
Russians!😉
B-styrka, meaning "B-force". Sometimes with an added "...from great power red". This was a completely fictional term that did not indicate any real country as we were neutral. (Great power red always came over the Baltic Sea and sometimes Great power blue who was also fictional established convoys with supplies to gothenburg or evacuated refugees to the northwest. )
@@lindahl01 Thank you, those are very appropriate totally fictional designations, lol.
The weapon on that vehicle is currently reaping russian tanks in Ukraine.
Looks like the Jeep from G.I. Joe😊
OK Video
Stowing roll-cage before firing - I suppose it just wouldn't be Swedish if there weren't some assembly required. 😂😂
Umm!, How much?, without the rifle?.
Raggen går
Australia purchased the Charlie Gutsache….Carl Gustuv, but because of involvement in Vietnam, a conflict which Sweden disliked, they would not supply ammo. I believe this lingering bitterness went against the selection, or even consideration of CV90 for Land 400, lest Swedish decide Australia is fighting the wrong enemy again.
Generally Sweden has been against supplying weapons to unnecessary and offensive wars. Basically, if you intend to use our weapons for other reasons than self defense, we're not keen on selling them to you.
It caused some controversy when the USA chose to invade and occupy Iraq in 2003, it was one thing to sell weapons to the USA when they invaded Afghanistan as it could be construed as a sort of self defense, but there were no real excuses for Iraq, so there was a public outcry to rip up trade agreements concerning the sale of the AT-4 and other swedish weapons in US service. (Don't think those agreements actually were broken, as we're in a place in time where economic agreements are more important than human rights.)
@@lavrentivs9891and besides.. USA made them on license. so ripping up the contracts wouldnt make any difference at all.
@@Skuggan84Ripping up contracts would, I presume, include revoking the license as well.
An interesting thing is that Sweden continued to develop the HEAT ammo so the country became one of the most successful, also with the american 105 mm aviable, that Sweden it self never used.
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I’ll give you $749.00 American for it.
It looks French. 😅
Nah, the French used an anti tank vespa - TAP150
most developed countries used a recoiless rifle or big gun or ATGM on a car of this form including japan, usa, france and italy
For the sake of preserving European values, you must transfer all the operating equipment of the museum to Ukraine!