Sometimes this happens in lower ranks, but can also just be avoided with better gameplay. Is it true, yeah sometimes. Is it more often just an excuse than anything else still? 100% As someone who’s been plat on the brink of Diamond since around 2018 I can say that players probably are the most variable in terms of skill sets and iq, good and bad. Smurf or not. Some can do air dribbles and flip reset, but are super inconsistent and some can barely aerial, but will still be able to keep up with just consistency on the basics. I definitely was closer to ladder when I played everyday.
This was a fun and insightful experience to be apart of. However Rocket League will have mechanics that higher ranked players don't mind that lower ranked players mind. In my experience of Diamond - Champ 1 I have come to terms with the fact that demos and bumps are apart of the game and have still played since that post and progressed. And in fact EVERYONE demos if the opportunity is given, even me. Rocket League can be a fun game if you don't take it so seriously just like any other video game.
Yeah totally makes sense not taking a COMPETITIVE game serious lmao sounds like a participation trophy mindset. Before you had the 3 big demo payers happen they were not something people went for. You based your rank off actual skill not 1 chaser 1 over ranked player
@@alanspaz5935 Just because it's a competitive game, you can still play it casually.. it's a lot more fun, you should try it. Your rank doesn't mean anything in real life.. besides, once you stop caring, you actually rank up because you'll play better when you no longer care.
Fun fact: if you are mad at demos, and find them to be unfair, you just have what we call a "Skill issue" and you do NOT know what having fun is like ;)
That's indeed a fun fact when you realize that "having fun" is subjective. You do not seem to know what having fun is like for us. I encourage you to broaden your perspective on this! I agree about the skill issue though lol. The game is definitely fair with the same ruleset applying to everyone.
I love the concept! Rocket League without car contact would make me a very sad clown but it's really cool to be able to actually see what it would be like.
It's definitely a skill... but when you say it's not a hard one to learn, makes me think your opponents are bad. There's usually at least 1 demo per game. Whether it's in the air or on the ground, you can't avoid them all.
@@TheSilentMajorityNationwell obviously you cant dodge them all but it definitely helps to use your ears and the backcamera when waiting for a pass/in net
Against people that demo's a lot it's a hard one to learn and a few tricks up your sleeve to know. Awareness and focus on where other players are is tough enough and you don't really start to see that until plat or diamond level players. Also, if you're going fast and being chased (or they're going for you) the timing to just stop and/or reverse when they're near you is a little bit of trial and error. Using the inside of the goal as cover, and if you're being chased to jump inside of your net and use the side of the goal on the inside to jump out again, or air roll upside down to drive cleanly from the roof to exit on ground level etc. These are mechanics that can be tough to learn for some. What to do when they fake bump you (making the goalie jump and then wait for them to come back down) etc. Also in 1v2 situations where one is driving the ball towards net while the other cheats in front to demo it takes a little bit of dodge/recovery action to do right along with the timing before they're too close to do anything about it. If someone is going for a bump on you and isn't super sonic the timing of the dodge and demo them instead is a thing. Recovery when you do get bumped plays a big role to not notice it as much, too. You also need to have less of a predictable driving pattern and not be too stationary in order to dodge it. These are all skills that can be really tough to deal with, or start learning, below champ ranks
If this were an official mode, I think that other cars from your POV need a transparency/ghost effect applied when they are close to you so it's easy to tell that you can pass right through them.
I have played hundreds of hours of Counter Strike surf combat, so I am very used to and comfortable with games having things that hurtle at each other but doesn't collide. I still think demos and bumps should stay in RL, as it does make things more interesting to me, in the end I think this will always be an issue of preference.
Thanks for having me! It was totally an experience and a dream come true lol. Overtime, I just accepted the fact that demos are a part of the game and also a skill that needs practicing(dodging them too). I still wish they nerfed them a little bit tho 😅
yep, that's the reason why in GC and up we twitch with the camera so often hahah. A rule of thumb. If you don't see one of the opponents... He is most likely smelling your exhaust pipe or coming from a blindspot. With enough practice you can time them knowing how long they take to come back after a play lol@@sSuper3roryt
I think it take a lot to both go for demos while not overextending and being able to rotate and dodge them, like being aware of where are your opponent is key for a lot of stuff in RL
@@vq35deALTIMAFlakes Road to SSL without mechanics series helped me quite a bit. I took his advice to not try too hard. That advice alone got me to Gold in 1s.
@@ieatcarsyum8248 Not exactly, there was a transition from game to game. First game Woody and Tooth won by a larger margin. Second game they won but required more effort without the demo's on either team. Third game was even closer. It puts more pressure on those that can normally demo for sure, rather than ending with a 5:1 or 7:1, etc. Now how would that play out if the game had always been contactless? Who knows.
I am a wicked heavy demo player! Sledge you are definitely an inspiration!! both you and Woody!!! I have 33529 demolitions! 1568 Exterminations! in 8906 games played! I try my best to keep up the Savagery!! Sledge you are definitely one of the demolition lords of Rocket League!
I have never have any issues with bumps in the game, but this gameplay is very interesting. Now i think i would like to see this implemented in a cas gamemode and see how meta gameplay shifts
Bumps removed would be so bad. It would be nearly impossible to score an air dribble, defense would be so easy and every game would barely have any goals
I feel as though it would be the opposite. So much of going up as first man isn't even about touching the ball, but forcing, and making contact with the air dribbling car makes it that much easier for your teammates to regain possession. Getting bumped off an air dribble is a sure way to not score one.
One of the best ways to score an air dribble is to make them think youre going to bump them. Since there is none of that air, air dribbles return to 2020, before the bump became super popular off of them. You could easily just hover as first man and what could they do to stop it? They cant go any higher to ouplay you. The 50 on the ball would fire way harder away from the net because of the tightness between cars that don't collide as well. As a defender you never have to commit because the only way to get scored on is to get hard outplayed. It would set the game, as it is played currently, back years.@@HvReagan
@The_Myst1c. So many times I got stopped by being bumped/demo while being in the air going for air dribbles and Aerials, if bumps was off majority of the time they would go through me and I would get a goal. Plus it helps alot when teammate goes for a demo on goal
Personally I would like to see this again not with no contact but with demos turned off and bumps still turned on. I think there’s a lot of potential for bump recovery to become a more prominent mechanical skill like that.
I actually don't mind the demos or even the randomness of spawning on the right or wrong side. Yeah it can get annoying if someone starts focusing on me for demos, but I'll admit that it's a skill issue that I do. What really gets to me, and this is even more prominent in 1v1, but the TIME it takes to respawn. I feel like you're down for too long and the time to respawn reduced by say least a quarter if not by half.
The amount of times I win 50/50s, but get demolished/bumped in the process is unreal. I’d love to be able to try this out just to see if it makes a difference with being able to maintain pressure after 50s.
yeah, imagine how different football would be if the players could just Shadowcat their way through each other like they're fucking x-men. it makes no sense for the cars to pass through each other, I can see an argument against demos, but not against bumps...
YES!!!! I like this idea. But I think you forgot to test out extra modes and limited time modes. I can see rumble and heatseeker benefiting the most from this as usually if you can’t score demoing is the next option, but if you can’t, then players are forced to get creative with their plays.
None of these players probably play extras regularly, so there's not much point in having them play them "differently." They don't have the muscle memory or strategies.
I’m a solid c3 going on gc hopefully and I don’t go for demos nor avoid going for them just depends on the situation if me and my teammate in a 1v2 I will not hesitate to blast someone to clear net. And if I’m on the receiving end it can be annoying but it’s part of the game and falls on me to be more aware. Not the other players lack of skill. I feel the reason it annoys lower ranks so much is because they lack that awareness and therefore get demoed or bumped way more often. Also in those ranks since people usually require perfect setups because if they get even slightly bumped off of a perfect setup and miss an opportunity they probably get frustrated off of that to.
It is refreshing to see an SSL player that uses a car other than the Fennec or Octane and has a "fun" car with bright colors and a topper. It's quite annoying how basic high-level players' car designs are. Well done, Giio
I think also have boost recharging instead of having pads and big boost around the field, will make it more skill based being able to drive around everywhere not having to follow a certain path of pads and no boost steal as well
To me, demos are a huge part of my game, not just strategically but mentally as well. Being an older player, I will mess with people who are more mechanical by bumping/boost starving/demoing. And that is just the way I have learned to keep up. Just turned 30, ayyye
This video just proved to me that I'm right and that rocket league needs a change. Other games change the meta all the time but rocket league doesn't have that much of possibilities to do so. Imo it's time that demos go for at least a few seasons. Change the meta. Adding to that i want to see all the demo clowns cry.
I bump quite a lot. I think it would be a cool game mode and could lead to different techniques and playstyles, but it may be less interesting if implemented universally. It makes sense that bumps and demos exist because it's a physics based game, and I personally don't really care about getting demoed. Just like any offensive move, there is mostly a defensive move to counter it. If people keep demolishing you, then move out of the way. Learn to dodge demos. If you ever find yourself in a handicap match because your teammate abandoned, keep playing the game and someone on the other team will likely chase you to get you to leave the game. This is great practice. You can also develop a different playstyle from playing handicap matches, like I find it freeing to be able to zoom around the field, steal all the boost, and go for whatever touches I want without thinking about my teammate, but it's a different feeling than playing 1v1. Anyways, TLDR, move out of the way if you're getting demoed. If I'm demoing you and you don't like it, demo me back. I will not complain about demos. :P
I find successfully evading demos very rewarding. Specifically at my low rank where it usually means that the oponent who hunts demos then finds himself totally out of position. Very satisfying. Also bumps help unskilled players like me in aerial challenges. If I miss the ball, there's still a chance I bump the oponent.
Awesome! I'd also love to see a mode bumps and demos are enabled but come with some costs to weigh (like mutual demos, losing boost, demo count limit before going into a penalty box, etc).
Honestly for brand new players, gentleman's mode could make a lot of sense. People driving around at 2mph in tight circles missing the ball... When you're getting bumped repeatedly by all 5 other cars in the lobby it's kinda ridiculous. Or maybe just a no-team-contact mode.
I love demos and bumps, brings more action to the game, and it is a skill as well since you have to predict and aim. However I would love to have both modes nevertheless! Well done on the video!
I never had issues with bumps or demos and I think it's a separate skill, and if you think it's unfair you just need to get better at avoiding them. They add a layer of complexity to rocket league and create slower, more thoughtful play in close-quarters situations. However, it would be interesting to see how the game would be if they removed demos but kept bumps. The luck of which side you spawn on would be completely removed, but the extra complexity would still exist in the game because bumps would still exist. Either way, there are no issues with the current gameplay. Can't say the same for trading, though...
Was edging C3 div 4 for multiple seasons but gave up on grinding for gc to play exclusively casual and the tournaments and try and get good mechanics, which has been freeing and I actually enjoy the game again. I have my own gentlemen's rule for demos. I don't go for them, and I actually actively turn away to avoid hitting people. But, if they demo me (and it's not some accidental 50/50 thing) I retaliate once. If they do it again, I channel woody for the rest of the game. If they pull a 2v1 demo goal at any point, again woody. I've noticed a couple things using this method. First, I've had a lot of demo-free games (minus the accidental demos) because I think a lot of people have the same retaliation mindset, albeit subconsciously. Second, my god the hypocrisy, it always looks the same: I go up a couple goals with some good shots and maybe a cool clip, they proceed to bring it back with multiple demo goals in a row, I (as stated above) proceed to win the game with an extermination and then they inevitably call me a no-skill loser demo guy, to which I respond "you started it" and they leave lol. Have I lost games because of this? Yes, but that's a small price to pay for retribution, plus it's casual. Am I spiteful and childish? Ya probably. Would I play a no contact mode? Probably not that much, demos and bumps are a part of the game. People really just be taking casual to seriously.
Demos take awareness and understanding when to be offsides due to pressure. Its absolutely part of rhe game. Anyone who doesnt like them just has no awareness.
I wouldn't mind an option to remove all car contact for funsies, but I think a better alternative would be to remove just demos. Bumping is fine, and I think it adds a huge layer of depth to the game. Needing to be aware of the other cars on the field is integral to the core identity of the game, but demos I think are just *too* impactful. To the point that in many situations, the team that wins is the one that lands a successful demo on the other team. It's not that it doesn't require skill to land demos; it absolutely does. But it also completely shifts your priority as a player. A single demo will very often lead to an open net, and it just never feels good to be taken out of the game for multiple seconds only to spawn in to the ball rolling into an empty net. It's also extremely easy to tilt people, which makes it a killer to most players' morale. Which is really just to say that demos are only a fun mechanic if you're the one doing the demolition, and even then, a lot of players just don't feel good doing them to others. Even if it's not cheap, it *feels* cheap. And I think it's kinda weird for a mechanic that is so integral to success in the game to be one that actively makes the game less fun for most people.
I think it's difficult for some people to accept the environment they're in and try to fully understand the options they have to improve. It's also true that some people hyper-specialize in certain skills. This means that some players will get hard stuck if they go up against players who have skills that combat their own playstyle. Additionally, if you are a player (like myself) who is not as positionally aware as they need to be (yay, inexperience!), demos can become frequent. After each demo, I simply ask myself how I could have played that moment to improve the game (not avoid the demo necessarily). If the demo didn't affect the gameplay and I could rely on my teammates or if that demo looks necessary to take in order to score, I generally ask what I could have done positionally to support the worst possible outcome. At the end of the day, you work within the parameters you are given, and if you can't accept that some people have skills that require you to improve yours, you won't improve. It's not only about humility. It's about being almost overly curious about your flaws and shamelessly tackling those weak points.
So essentially, when it comes to lower ranks, those that say that bumps and demos don't take skill arguably are the ones that have less skill. At a pro level though, it makes no difference, which I sort of would expect.
@@SexMan4 I'm not saying that they're less or more needed at pro levels. But the reason why I said it makes no difference if demos and bumps are disabled is because pros can easily adapt to it and change their strategy within the same game. But at the lower ranks, even when bumps and demos are taken away, those that complain about them all the time still lose at the end of the day. Essentially, it's a skill issue.
I would love to se a sepperate Game mode in RL without Demo even in Ranked... remember me of the good old days in 2016-2018 where you play to have fun and not get demoed every 10- 20 seconds, like it is in Diamond now...
So conceptually, the reason people can dislike demos/bumps is it’s a flow interrupter which is very frustrating. “I could have been there to make that open net/save that shot, but I got demoed/bumped.” Rocket league is a competitive game so it will always be somewhat toxic but any game that has interrupt mechanics will be more toxic than if they didn’t. (Think about MTG, if you removed blue, it would still be toxic but much less so.)
I suppose the problem I have is with people that only demo. It's rare to come across a team where one person is dedicated to demos and bumps while the other two ( in 3's ) have better ball control and/or play faster, but when it happens it's frustrating. Personally, strategic or better yet when well timed bumps and demos I can't even get mad. It's the dying constantly that makes it annoying. While these situations are annoying and make those matches "unplayable" I prefer to keep the mechanic in the game since, as I mentioned a well timed bump or demo adds to the experience. Hell, sometimes it's the only way to score when there's a "goalie god" on the other team.
Had a game recently, where one opponent was salty about not only demoing (I did it only twice), but also stealing boost.😂 Next video: You can't take the boost on the opposite half😅
This is to my teammates: STOP GRABBING BOOST IF YOU LITERALLY JUST GOT BOOST... STOP BALLCHASING! just follow/shadowing and strike once the opportunity is there.. but don't just hit the for the sake of hitting the ball.. that's how you lose games. also, if you spawn at the goal and your teammate goes for kickoff, then grab the boost closest to the goal and not the one in the middle.. That was it. Thanks for listening to my TED Talk. 😂
@@danieltunwase1784 well i tried that but then the ball goes behind me cuz of bad kickoff and I'll have to turn around. (And no, I'm not right behind my tm8, i wait a bit but still) that why i go for boost, it gets shot back to me then, and also have time to save the ball if tm8 fails kickoff. (I hope this made sense haha)
What if rocket league added a 2 second "invincibility" after respawn? You can still be bumped, but not demoed until it ends. As far as i know, it becomes cringe when that one guy just spawn camps demos (which is rare even) Most demos I've seen varies from being helpful for openings, or just inconsequential. But idk. Is this a better alternative? What yall think? Personally, i don't care much about demos, and firmly believe that they are apart of the game now, but it's interesting to think about possible abuses it may have.
The worst is thag you wouldnt be able to do bump airdribbles anymore and all the other genuinely normal offensive/defensive tactics that make use of bumping
If you’re going to demo on purpose, you have to commit pretty deep. If you miss because competent player sees what you’re doing, you can make your team turn into a 2v3 for 3-5 seconds. Every time I purposely try demo and I miss, enemy team usually scores🎉🎉🎉 I’m stuck Plat 1 solo queue and it is my lack of certain skills.
"I think they should also remove the jump button. I really suck at jumping, and I really think it would be such a better game without being able to jump and flip. Only terrible players jump anyways"
I don't like the RL meta at the moment, mainly because it is so reliant on demolitions. I have no issue with car to car contact but demolitions have a few problems. My main gripe is the fact that demolitions force you to not play the game. You get demo'd, you have to wait 3 seconds to actually play the game again. Even then you need to get back into the rotation costing more time. The consensus in most games is that mechanics that force you to wait are frustrating and generally unejoyable. Think of auto-scrollers in platformers, waiting for time dependant events to prgress or even Ads on RUclips. Not fun. My second problem is that you have to consider that this is an online game, car interactions are often unpredictable and inconsistent, adding a mechanic that punishes you heavily for car contact, in this case demos, can feel cheap or undeserved in such a volatile environment. With all that being said though, demolitions and car contact in general are an integral part of this game, it makes the gameplay dynamic, it does take some skill to execute consistently. However most players, including the players I play against in GC, rely on it to the point where matches devolve into a zombies mode. They throw themselves at you, you get free goals, they often get free goals, overall it makes for unsatisfactory gameplay. I've been playing RL on and off for almost 7 years now and the past year and a bit I really have dropped the game. Some of this due to the game becoming repetitive but some of the reasoning is because the gameplay is uninteresting now.
yup, cause in real football the players just pass through each other when they tackle, don't they? I will never understand why people hate bumping and demos, and wow, they're not gonna say GG if someone demo's you? oh noes...
You said you ran 1000 replays from SSL to get how many demos would happen. I'm curious, how many demos average for GC were there? Cause I feel like it'd be higher since GCs are worse at avoiding them than SSLs? Anyways, would love to see the GC average demo stat if you have it
Demos per game always goes down with rank. For a variety of reasons including the fact that the gameplay is slower. I don't have the most recent data but in the past GC1 was around 0.6 to 0.7 per player per game in 2v2.
I don't see how any element of the game is unfair or overpowered when every player and team has access to the exact same elements. To say so would be like saying chess is unfair because the opponents queen can move in any direction... yeah, but so can yours. How you use it is up to you.
There should definitely be a no bump/demo temporary casual mode. Just to see how it goes. In that same note, unlimited flips should also be a game mode.
Demos do take skill. I know we all have tried to demo and miss way more than we get them. Also knowing when a demo may be coming and avoiding it is a whole other skill. I hate demo chasers but you gotta adapt.
I get that demos are a part of the game and that if you *really* want to not get demoed then learning to dodge is imperative, but at the same time interference in every single other sport known to man is illegal, and even hitting in other sports just takes you off the play instead of removing you from the entire field. It just feels antithetical to how a sport ought to look like, in my opinion; especially with soccer as the inspiration where most contact of any kind is punishable.
I love watching noobs cry about demos it’s so funny. It makes it so much easier for them to blame their incompetence on these “unbalanced” demolitions when they are forgetting that if they had a brain they could do that too.
I can't count the amount of times I flick or cut the ball past the opposing last man but am unable to score because they accidentally bump me while trying to challenge. Definitely an annoying mechanic, but calling it unfair is a reach.
I mean, demos are more real though. Name any modern sport which does not rely upon people deliberately harming one another to hinder their performance, especially in hockey and football
There will always be that one guy who says "those guys lied about their rank, I'm Plat, and I could easily beat them if demos were off"
He'll always be full of excuses honestly.
If only it was one guy... But to be fair the RL community is very young so they don't know better.
Sometimes this happens in lower ranks, but can also just be avoided with better gameplay. Is it true, yeah sometimes. Is it more often just an excuse than anything else still? 100%
As someone who’s been plat on the brink of Diamond since around 2018 I can say that players probably are the most variable in terms of skill sets and iq, good and bad. Smurf or not. Some can do air dribbles and flip reset, but are super inconsistent and some can barely aerial, but will still be able to keep up with just consistency on the basics. I definitely was closer to ladder when I played everyday.
Bro u couldnt beat a diamond if was a 1v2 n u both demoing
Yeah i would have won that 1v1 torney if i didnt get demod
This was a fun and insightful experience to be apart of. However Rocket League will have mechanics that higher ranked players don't mind that lower ranked players mind. In my experience of Diamond - Champ 1 I have come to terms with the fact that demos and bumps are apart of the game and have still played since that post and progressed. And in fact EVERYONE demos if the opportunity is given, even me. Rocket League can be a fun game if you don't take it so seriously just like any other video game.
My goat 🐐 his demo arc is coming
Yeah totally makes sense not taking a COMPETITIVE game serious lmao sounds like a participation trophy mindset. Before you had the 3 big demo payers happen they were not something people went for. You based your rank off actual skill not 1 chaser 1 over ranked player
@@alanspaz5935 Just because it's a competitive game, you can still play it casually.. it's a lot more fun, you should try it. Your rank doesn't mean anything in real life.. besides, once you stop caring, you actually rank up because you'll play better when you no longer care.
Fully agreed. I think we all don't like it when we get demoed...But we all can agree if the demo is available we go for it.
@@hhaste I read your reply and I had to say yes. When you stop caring so much the game is way more fun.
Fun fact: if you are mad at demos, and find them to be unfair, you just have what we call a "Skill issue" and you do NOT know what having fun is like ;)
What a stupid comment. Just because some people including me don't like demos doesn't mean we can't deal with them.
That's indeed a fun fact when you realize that "having fun" is subjective. You do not seem to know what having fun is like for us. I encourage you to broaden your perspective on this!
I agree about the skill issue though lol. The game is definitely fair with the same ruleset applying to everyone.
I love the concept! Rocket League without car contact would make me a very sad clown but it's really cool to be able to actually see what it would be like.
Either you or another minion of yours made me a sad boi on more than one occasion! Thank you, and fack you *kindly. Lol
I thought your name stood for a different kinda bump…
@@syth429
Honestly, avoiding demos is a skill, and not a hard one to learn.
It's definitely a skill... but when you say it's not a hard one to learn, makes me think your opponents are bad. There's usually at least 1 demo per game. Whether it's in the air or on the ground, you can't avoid them all.
@@TheSilentMajorityNationwell obviously you cant dodge them all but it definitely helps to use your ears and the backcamera when waiting for a pass/in net
Against people that demo's a lot it's a hard one to learn and a few tricks up your sleeve to know. Awareness and focus on where other players are is tough enough and you don't really start to see that until plat or diamond level players. Also, if you're going fast and being chased (or they're going for you) the timing to just stop and/or reverse when they're near you is a little bit of trial and error.
Using the inside of the goal as cover, and if you're being chased to jump inside of your net and use the side of the goal on the inside to jump out again, or air roll upside down to drive cleanly from the roof to exit on ground level etc. These are mechanics that can be tough to learn for some. What to do when they fake bump you (making the goalie jump and then wait for them to come back down) etc. Also in 1v2 situations where one is driving the ball towards net while the other cheats in front to demo it takes a little bit of dodge/recovery action to do right along with the timing before they're too close to do anything about it.
If someone is going for a bump on you and isn't super sonic the timing of the dodge and demo them instead is a thing. Recovery when you do get bumped plays a big role to not notice it as much, too. You also need to have less of a predictable driving pattern and not be too stationary in order to dodge it. These are all skills that can be really tough to deal with, or start learning, below champ ranks
If this were an official mode, I think that other cars from your POV need a transparency/ghost effect applied when they are close to you so it's easy to tell that you can pass right through them.
Orrrr just make a different game mode that says "no demo mode" or smth like that
I think this highlights how if two entities are hurling towards each other it does not make sense for a collision to not exist between them.
I have played hundreds of hours of Counter Strike surf combat, so I am very used to and comfortable with games having things that hurtle at each other but doesn't collide. I still think demos and bumps should stay in RL, as it does make things more interesting to me, in the end I think this will always be an issue of preference.
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Yeah, I don't know why I said it like that
I should have phrased it;
"it does make sense for a collision to exist between them."
Thanks for having me! It was totally an experience and a dream come true lol.
Overtime, I just accepted the fact that demos are a part of the game and also a skill that needs practicing(dodging them too). I still wish they nerfed them a little bit tho 😅
Wok you had some cracked shots!
How you gonna nerf demos there's only explosion, unless you're talking about the time you're dead
You should definitely Start Learning how to dodge / predict a demos
Cuz I don’t think they will Add the “no dems mod”
Any time soon or “update”
Took you way too long holy shit
yep, that's the reason why in GC and up we twitch with the camera so often hahah. A rule of thumb. If you don't see one of the opponents... He is most likely smelling your exhaust pipe or coming from a blindspot. With enough practice you can time them knowing how long they take to come back after a play lol@@sSuper3roryt
Non contact would be a funny April fools thing to do and if received well put in a limited time mode
Or make it a parallel comp set
“I’m just picturing 3 plats inside each other” -Legendary quote from Rocket Sledge
3 Plats Inside Each Other vs Every Rank Until They Lose.
@@Rocket_Sledgethinking of new videos already
@@Rocket_Sledge kinda like a Mighty Whiffin Power Ranger
3 plats, one ball.
I think it take a lot to both go for demos while not overextending and being able to rotate and dodge them, like being aware of where are your opponent is key for a lot of stuff in RL
Asking woody and toothbot to play without demos is like asking a pro player to play without aerialling
Guess you never heard of flakes...
@@vq35deALTIMAFlakes Road to SSL without mechanics series helped me quite a bit. I took his advice to not try too hard. That advice alone got me to Gold in 1s.
Not really since they still won pretty handily
@@ieatcarsyum8248 Not exactly, there was a transition from game to game. First game Woody and Tooth won by a larger margin. Second game they won but required more effort without the demo's on either team. Third game was even closer. It puts more pressure on those that can normally demo for sure, rather than ending with a 5:1 or 7:1, etc. Now how would that play out if the game had always been contactless? Who knows.
I am a wicked heavy demo player! Sledge you are definitely an inspiration!! both you and Woody!!! I have 33529 demolitions! 1568 Exterminations! in 8906 games played! I try my best to keep up the Savagery!! Sledge you are definitely one of the demolition lords of Rocket League!
"Slight rank disadvantage"
Unfortunately I have no skill beyond demos, see you guys in gold 2 soon 😢😢
I could easily beat demos if SSLs were turned off.
I'm plat and I could've beat woddy and toothbot in a 1v2 ez
Can confirm, I'm his plat teammate
Fax
Careful might put you in a video
Same!
Woody* 🤓🤓gl on the content grind soon man i know there'll be some good stuff coming soon
demos are a part of the game, i played woody recently in rumble and his demos are insane, they are so good it should be considered a skill
Been wanting to see this for a long time! Thanks for organising it Sledge
I have never have any issues with bumps in the game, but this gameplay is very interesting. Now i think i would like to see this implemented in a cas gamemode and see how meta gameplay shifts
it would just be a dead gamemode
Bumps removed would be so bad. It would be nearly impossible to score an air dribble, defense would be so easy and every game would barely have any goals
I feel as though it would be the opposite. So much of going up as first man isn't even about touching the ball, but forcing, and making contact with the air dribbling car makes it that much easier for your teammates to regain possession. Getting bumped off an air dribble is a sure way to not score one.
so many air dribbles are scored without bumps or demos
One of the best ways to score an air dribble is to make them think youre going to bump them. Since there is none of that air, air dribbles return to 2020, before the bump became super popular off of them. You could easily just hover as first man and what could they do to stop it? They cant go any higher to ouplay you. The 50 on the ball would fire way harder away from the net because of the tightness between cars that don't collide as well. As a defender you never have to commit because the only way to get scored on is to get hard outplayed. It would set the game, as it is played currently, back years.@@HvReagan
@The_Myst1c. So many times I got stopped by being bumped/demo while being in the air going for air dribbles and Aerials, if bumps was off majority of the time they would go through me and I would get a goal. Plus it helps alot when teammate goes for a demo on goal
@@Focalpoint223 just hit the ball
Personally I would like to see this again not with no contact but with demos turned off and bumps still turned on.
I think there’s a lot of potential for bump recovery to become a more prominent mechanical skill like that.
Demos off but being hit at super sonic launches you at 216kph.
Exactly. Demolitions are actually less disruptive. They put you back in your end with 33 boost.
I actually don't mind the demos or even the randomness of spawning on the right or wrong side. Yeah it can get annoying if someone starts focusing on me for demos, but I'll admit that it's a skill issue that I do. What really gets to me, and this is even more prominent in 1v1, but the TIME it takes to respawn. I feel like you're down for too long and the time to respawn reduced by say least a quarter if not by half.
The amount of times I win 50/50s, but get demolished/bumped in the process is unreal. I’d love to be able to try this out just to see if it makes a difference with being able to maintain pressure after 50s.
yeah, imagine how different football would be if the players could just Shadowcat their way through each other like they're fucking x-men.
it makes no sense for the cars to pass through each other, I can see an argument against demos, but not against bumps...
Demos are essential and if you dodge them correctly, you gain a positional advantage.
"gentlemen's mode" if you need a physical barrier stopping you from going for bumps, are you really a gentleman 🤔😂
YES!!!! I like this idea. But I think you forgot to test out extra modes and limited time modes. I can see rumble and heatseeker benefiting the most from this as usually if you can’t score demoing is the next option, but if you can’t, then players are forced to get creative with their plays.
None of these players probably play extras regularly, so there's not much point in having them play them "differently." They don't have the muscle memory or strategies.
I’m a solid c3 going on gc hopefully and I don’t go for demos nor avoid going for them just depends on the situation if me and my teammate in a 1v2 I will not hesitate to blast someone to clear net. And if I’m on the receiving end it can be annoying but it’s part of the game and falls on me to be more aware. Not the other players lack of skill. I feel the reason it annoys lower ranks so much is because they lack that awareness and therefore get demoed or bumped way more often. Also in those ranks since people usually require perfect setups because if they get even slightly bumped off of a perfect setup and miss an opportunity they probably get frustrated off of that to.
It really baffles me how demos can go under the skin so badly.. just shake it off and continue playing
I love Woody, that dude’s got the skills to pay the bills. Never stop Woody never stop 😊
Great video! I love the whole bump and demo meta tho, so I'd miss it dearly. But as a special event mode, sure!
I’d love to see freestylers try team freestyling with this
definitely need to have some change like this even a new mode with 4v4 and 3 jump ,less boost i don't know we should explore all way
It is refreshing to see an SSL player that uses a car other than the Fennec or Octane and has a "fun" car with bright colors and a topper. It's quite annoying how basic high-level players' car designs are. Well done, Giio
I think also have boost recharging instead of having pads and big boost around the field, will make it more skill based being able to drive around everywhere not having to follow a certain path of pads and no boost steal as well
Excatly the opposite
To me, demos are a huge part of my game, not just strategically but mentally as well. Being an older player, I will mess with people who are more mechanical by bumping/boost starving/demoing. And that is just the way I have learned to keep up. Just turned 30, ayyye
This video just proved to me that I'm right and that rocket league needs a change. Other games change the meta all the time but rocket league doesn't have that much of possibilities to do so. Imo it's time that demos go for at least a few seasons. Change the meta. Adding to that i want to see all the demo clowns cry.
I bump quite a lot. I think it would be a cool game mode and could lead to different techniques and playstyles, but it may be less interesting if implemented universally. It makes sense that bumps and demos exist because it's a physics based game, and I personally don't really care about getting demoed. Just like any offensive move, there is mostly a defensive move to counter it. If people keep demolishing you, then move out of the way. Learn to dodge demos. If you ever find yourself in a handicap match because your teammate abandoned, keep playing the game and someone on the other team will likely chase you to get you to leave the game. This is great practice. You can also develop a different playstyle from playing handicap matches, like I find it freeing to be able to zoom around the field, steal all the boost, and go for whatever touches I want without thinking about my teammate, but it's a different feeling than playing 1v1.
Anyways, TLDR, move out of the way if you're getting demoed. If I'm demoing you and you don't like it, demo me back. I will not complain about demos. :P
bumps take no skill? So let a champ chase a ssl around for field for days and never get a demo lol
The last 15 seconds of the SSL game gave me insane deja vu... That was weird.
I find successfully evading demos very rewarding.
Specifically at my low rank where it usually means that the oponent who hunts demos then finds himself totally out of position. Very satisfying.
Also bumps help unskilled players like me in aerial challenges. If I miss the ball, there's still a chance I bump the oponent.
I have been waiting a very long time to see someone do a no-contact mode for RL. Thank you Sledge.
this should improve the 7v1 experience
Awesome! I'd also love to see a mode bumps and demos are enabled but come with some costs to weigh (like mutual demos, losing boost, demo count limit before going into a penalty box, etc).
Sideswipe 3D
Wait if someone was dribbling and someone go for him what happenes?
Honestly for brand new players, gentleman's mode could make a lot of sense. People driving around at 2mph in tight circles missing the ball... When you're getting bumped repeatedly by all 5 other cars in the lobby it's kinda ridiculous. Or maybe just a no-team-contact mode.
I love demos and bumps, brings more action to the game, and it is a skill as well since you have to predict and aim.
However I would love to have both modes nevertheless!
Well done on the video!
Demo takes alot of skill, the same as it take skill to Dodge them
bro literally said after he was asking for bumps to be removed "so weird you can go through cars now"
Always cool seeing random people I've played with/against in casuals on these videos. Til next time, Woody and Exiled
I never had issues with bumps or demos and I think it's a separate skill, and if you think it's unfair you just need to get better at avoiding them. They add a layer of complexity to rocket league and create slower, more thoughtful play in close-quarters situations. However, it would be interesting to see how the game would be if they removed demos but kept bumps. The luck of which side you spawn on would be completely removed, but the extra complexity would still exist in the game because bumps would still exist. Either way, there are no issues with the current gameplay. Can't say the same for trading, though...
Was edging C3 div 4 for multiple seasons but gave up on grinding for gc to play exclusively casual and the tournaments and try and get good mechanics, which has been freeing and I actually enjoy the game again. I have my own gentlemen's rule for demos. I don't go for them, and I actually actively turn away to avoid hitting people. But, if they demo me (and it's not some accidental 50/50 thing) I retaliate once. If they do it again, I channel woody for the rest of the game. If they pull a 2v1 demo goal at any point, again woody. I've noticed a couple things using this method. First, I've had a lot of demo-free games (minus the accidental demos) because I think a lot of people have the same retaliation mindset, albeit subconsciously. Second, my god the hypocrisy, it always looks the same: I go up a couple goals with some good shots and maybe a cool clip, they proceed to bring it back with multiple demo goals in a row, I (as stated above) proceed to win the game with an extermination and then they inevitably call me a no-skill loser demo guy, to which I respond "you started it" and they leave lol. Have I lost games because of this? Yes, but that's a small price to pay for retribution, plus it's casual. Am I spiteful and childish? Ya probably. Would I play a no contact mode? Probably not that much, demos and bumps are a part of the game. People really just be taking casual to seriously.
Would be interested to see a gamemode with demos disabled, but still allowing car contact with reduced knockback.
Demos take awareness and understanding when to be offsides due to pressure. Its absolutely part of rhe game. Anyone who doesnt like them just has no awareness.
need bumps but no demos so people can see that demos are a kindness given to us by psyonix so you're not taken across the field.
I wouldn't mind an option to remove all car contact for funsies, but I think a better alternative would be to remove just demos. Bumping is fine, and I think it adds a huge layer of depth to the game. Needing to be aware of the other cars on the field is integral to the core identity of the game, but demos I think are just *too* impactful. To the point that in many situations, the team that wins is the one that lands a successful demo on the other team.
It's not that it doesn't require skill to land demos; it absolutely does. But it also completely shifts your priority as a player. A single demo will very often lead to an open net, and it just never feels good to be taken out of the game for multiple seconds only to spawn in to the ball rolling into an empty net. It's also extremely easy to tilt people, which makes it a killer to most players' morale. Which is really just to say that demos are only a fun mechanic if you're the one doing the demolition, and even then, a lot of players just don't feel good doing them to others. Even if it's not cheap, it *feels* cheap.
And I think it's kinda weird for a mechanic that is so integral to success in the game to be one that actively makes the game less fun for most people.
it would be a nice mode to add during parts of the year.
the 0.8 demos in ssl games doesnt take into account bumps or just demo threats which can just have as much of an impact
THAT FIRST GAME LOL
the crybaby diamonds gonna be real happy about this one
Honestly I don't like demos, but then again when I realize that the demo is there and it would help.....I do it.
Great test man
W video as per usual
I think it's difficult for some people to accept the environment they're in and try to fully understand the options they have to improve. It's also true that some people hyper-specialize in certain skills. This means that some players will get hard stuck if they go up against players who have skills that combat their own playstyle. Additionally, if you are a player (like myself) who is not as positionally aware as they need to be (yay, inexperience!), demos can become frequent. After each demo, I simply ask myself how I could have played that moment to improve the game (not avoid the demo necessarily). If the demo didn't affect the gameplay and I could rely on my teammates or if that demo looks necessary to take in order to score, I generally ask what I could have done positionally to support the worst possible outcome. At the end of the day, you work within the parameters you are given, and if you can't accept that some people have skills that require you to improve yours, you won't improve. It's not only about humility. It's about being almost overly curious about your flaws and shamelessly tackling those weak points.
I need this in my life
i've never understood the desire to remove bumps and demos from the game,
and those who say it's easier to bump and demo than hit the ball, just wow.
So essentially, when it comes to lower ranks, those that say that bumps and demos don't take skill arguably are the ones that have less skill. At a pro level though, it makes no difference, which I sort of would expect.
You saying demos at higher ranks are less needed?
@@SexMan4 I'm not saying that they're less or more needed at pro levels. But the reason why I said it makes no difference if demos and bumps are disabled is because pros can easily adapt to it and change their strategy within the same game. But at the lower ranks, even when bumps and demos are taken away, those that complain about them all the time still lose at the end of the day. Essentially, it's a skill issue.
I would love to se a sepperate Game mode in RL without Demo even in Ranked... remember me of the good old days in 2016-2018 where you play to have fun and not get demoed every 10- 20 seconds, like it is in Diamond now...
The average diamond 2v2 game has 2.5 demos. Total.
There will be hell to pay if they get rid of demos and bumps.
Yooooop shouts out bumpotheclown I've seen him so frequently in my casual matches so it's crazy to see he's the 4th highest bumper/demoer in RL
So conceptually, the reason people can dislike demos/bumps is it’s a flow interrupter which is very frustrating. “I could have been there to make that open net/save that shot, but I got demoed/bumped.” Rocket league is a competitive game so it will always be somewhat toxic but any game that has interrupt mechanics will be more toxic than if they didn’t. (Think about MTG, if you removed blue, it would still be toxic but much less so.)
I suppose the problem I have is with people that only demo. It's rare to come across a team where one person is dedicated to demos and bumps while the other two ( in 3's ) have better ball control and/or play faster, but when it happens it's frustrating. Personally, strategic or better yet when well timed bumps and demos I can't even get mad. It's the dying constantly that makes it annoying.
While these situations are annoying and make those matches "unplayable" I prefer to keep the mechanic in the game since, as I mentioned a well timed bump or demo adds to the experience. Hell, sometimes it's the only way to score when there's a "goalie god" on the other team.
Had a game recently, where one opponent was salty about not only demoing (I did it only twice), but also stealing boost.😂
Next video: You can't take the boost on the opposite half😅
This is to my teammates:
STOP GRABBING BOOST IF YOU LITERALLY JUST GOT BOOST... STOP BALLCHASING!
just follow/shadowing and strike once the opportunity is there.. but don't just hit the for the sake of hitting the ball.. that's how you lose games. also, if you spawn at the goal and your teammate goes for kickoff, then grab the boost closest to the goal and not the one in the middle..
That was it. Thanks for listening to my TED Talk. 😂
@@RogerH_CxPin kickoffs you should cheat up to support your teammate not go for boost
@@danieltunwase1784 well i tried that but then the ball goes behind me cuz of bad kickoff and I'll have to turn around. (And no, I'm not right behind my tm8, i wait a bit but still) that why i go for boost, it gets shot back to me then, and also have time to save the ball if tm8 fails kickoff.
(I hope this made sense haha)
i would love a no contact gamemode, that way i would be rid of all those crybabies who cant handle pressure :D
1:20 those camera settings though...
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What if rocket league added a 2 second "invincibility" after respawn? You can still be bumped, but not demoed until it ends.
As far as i know, it becomes cringe when that one guy just spawn camps demos (which is rare even)
Most demos I've seen varies from being helpful for openings, or just inconsequential.
But idk. Is this a better alternative? What yall think?
Personally, i don't care much about demos, and firmly believe that they are apart of the game now, but it's interesting to think about possible abuses it may have.
The worst is thag you wouldnt be able to do bump airdribbles anymore and all the other genuinely normal offensive/defensive tactics that make use of bumping
as the ssl's said, a more ballchasey meta, which idrk if i would consider a good thing
If you’re going to demo on purpose, you have to commit pretty deep. If you miss because competent player sees what you’re doing, you can make your team turn into a 2v3 for 3-5 seconds.
Every time I purposely try demo and I miss, enemy team usually scores🎉🎉🎉
I’m stuck Plat 1 solo queue and it is my lack of certain skills.
u should only do low risk demos, for example your rotating back and demoing then because you wont be over committing if u miss anyways
"I think they should also remove the jump button. I really suck at jumping, and I really think it would be such a better game without being able to jump and flip. Only terrible players jump anyways"
I don't like the RL meta at the moment, mainly because it is so reliant on demolitions. I have no issue with car to car contact but demolitions have a few problems.
My main gripe is the fact that demolitions force you to not play the game. You get demo'd, you have to wait 3 seconds to actually play the game again. Even then you need to get back into the rotation costing more time.
The consensus in most games is that mechanics that force you to wait are frustrating and generally unejoyable. Think of auto-scrollers in platformers, waiting for time dependant events to prgress or even Ads on RUclips. Not fun.
My second problem is that you have to consider that this is an online game, car interactions are often unpredictable and inconsistent, adding a mechanic that punishes you heavily for car contact, in this case demos, can feel cheap or undeserved in such a volatile environment.
With all that being said though, demolitions and car contact in general are an integral part of this game, it makes the gameplay dynamic, it does take some skill to execute consistently. However most players, including the players I play against in GC, rely on it to the point where matches devolve into a zombies mode. They throw themselves at you, you get free goals, they often get free goals, overall it makes for unsatisfactory gameplay.
I've been playing RL on and off for almost 7 years now and the past year and a bit I really have dropped the game. Some of this due to the game becoming repetitive but some of the reasoning is because the gameplay is uninteresting now.
why is comm not in this video
Because it would have exposed the fact that without demos he's a plat.
yup, cause in real football the players just pass through each other when they tackle, don't they?
I will never understand why people hate bumping and demos, and wow, they're not gonna say GG if someone demo's you? oh noes...
That post was hilarious, that's for sure.
Now could an octane dribble the ball with a dominus driving inside flick the ball?
You said you ran 1000 replays from SSL to get how many demos would happen. I'm curious, how many demos average for GC were there? Cause I feel like it'd be higher since GCs are worse at avoiding them than SSLs? Anyways, would love to see the GC average demo stat if you have it
Demos per game always goes down with rank. For a variety of reasons including the fact that the gameplay is slower. I don't have the most recent data but in the past GC1 was around 0.6 to 0.7 per player per game in 2v2.
IMO bumping or demoing is just a tactical strat, however chaining demos or just continuously bumping people is toxic
No collision would mean no rule 1 and I would not like to live in a world without rule 1
I don't see how any element of the game is unfair or overpowered when every player and team has access to the exact same elements. To say so would be like saying chess is unfair because the opponents queen can move in any direction... yeah, but so can yours. How you use it is up to you.
Exactly
What about always demolishing both cars on contact at supersonic speed as a compromise?
There should definitely be a no bump/demo temporary casual mode. Just to see how it goes.
In that same note, unlimited flips should also be a game mode.
What decal is Woody using?
Surely now us ssls are going to drop to champ right?
it'd be a fun casual gamemode, but never add it to comp
Demos do take skill. I know we all have tried to demo and miss way more than we get them. Also knowing when a demo may be coming and avoiding it is a whole other skill. I hate demo chasers but you gotta adapt.
I get that demos are a part of the game and that if you *really* want to not get demoed then learning to dodge is imperative, but at the same time interference in every single other sport known to man is illegal, and even hitting in other sports just takes you off the play instead of removing you from the entire field. It just feels antithetical to how a sport ought to look like, in my opinion; especially with soccer as the inspiration where most contact of any kind is punishable.
I love watching noobs cry about demos it’s so funny. It makes it so much easier for them to blame their incompetence on these “unbalanced” demolitions when they are forgetting that if they had a brain they could do that too.
Imagine losing to Woody with demos turned off 😂. I'd easily win even with demos turned on.
You got to admit sledge is committed for removing his channel out of rocket league just for a video.
I can't count the amount of times I flick or cut the ball past the opposing last man but am unable to score because they accidentally bump me while trying to challenge. Definitely an annoying mechanic, but calling it unfair is a reach.
I mean, demos are more real though. Name any modern sport which does not rely upon people deliberately harming one another to hinder their performance, especially in hockey and football
this is kinda like regular sideswipe, except with regular rl.
No car contact means No Rule 1 or Rule T or Rule 34. For that reason, no thank you
Something aint right about this comment but I just cant put my finger on it.