Personally I think it’s criminal that your channel doesn’t have more subscribers, these videos are always so well done that I find myself listening to them whilst exploring Fallout 76. The Pitt was a very interesting location in terms of story and lore and I’m glad you helped explain it more.
It’s crazy because i was just thinking in my head i wanted to learn more about the pit pre fallout 3 cuz i remember commercials for the DLC for 76 and you upload this video today. Great stuff man
Never played 76 as yet. But when I get the chance definitely will just to play this part of it. The Pitt dlc was ,still is my favourite Fallout dlc, just got that something extra I can't easily explain.. I like how 76 expands on its lore in this prequel setting. For me, I could write a screen play for a Fallout movie just about the Pitt. And I think it might satisfy most Fallout fans, with the inclusion of the BoS in its history. I've had the fan fic ideas in my head since I played the dlc on the console when first came out. Now that I've got all this back story lore too. It would be like going from A to B ,the story just about writing itself, apart from couple own characters I created. It would be streamlined canon lore friendly. You're information, narration is highly detailed, and straight forward. I've watched couple 76 Pitt lore vids before. But nothing as carefully detailed as this. Feel like I've got the whole history of it for now. Til Beth creates some new content of course.
My only issue is that they corrupted the Whitespring in a way I won't accept would have taken place. First we just play like the above ground and the below ground there are somehow separate. Modus runs that place. First Modus wouldn't allow it and second Modus wouldn't be oblivious to what's going on. The Responders would have picked back up in Flatwoods or Morgantown. Morgantown airport has less scorched to clear than the ghouls they cleared at Whitespring and Flatwoods has none around the Responders portion of the town.
I’m not saying this is the case, but what if MODUS is behind the new Responders?His appearance, and the reputation of the Enclave, is likely to be off putting to most wastelanders; what if he is behind them taking up residence in the Whitespring, where we can potentially do the good of the Responders, with some of his own objectives thrown in. The fact that we’re getting Ultracite power cells furnished by a group that is almost certainly the Enclave would suggest they’re onboard with us fighting the Fanatics, at the very least.
@@IrresoluteCartographer If you pass a charisma check while talking with Orlando, they all but outright say that they are working for MODUS, and thus MODUS is the backer for the reborn responders, at least that's how I interpret "Mr. Otis" & the fact that this is all at the Greenbrier, er Whitespring.
Hey just letting you know that the trog striker is an easter egg of sorts when you collect all his logs logs in the pit. Normal ones are called trog devourer. Also I believe coming next update Once in a Blue Moon will remove the ultracite fuel system for repeated expeditions to the pitt, but that might be up to change because could be unbalanced.
So a big reason why the Responders can go to Pittsburgh is because they have Ultracite power cells powering their Vertibirds, right? The incredible capabilities of Ultracite get me wondering why there is just no mention or evidence of it outside of Fo76. Obviously Ultracite and everything else in Fo76 is too new for it to have been mentioned in any previous games. I'm starting to think though that there may be some catastrophe, perhaps having to do with Ultracite, which would make it impossible for it to be mentioned or involved in any way in any game outside of 76. Also, I gotta say as a person who loves learning about history I really do appreciate the bits of real world history you include in your videos. You really do deserve more views and subscribers.
It does seem likely that Ultracite will play a large role in the future of Appalachia, one way or the other. Personally, I’m hoping it goes the opposite direction, and the people of Appalachia use the power from Ultracite to build a better life and then hide themselves from the rest of the wasteland, but it’s entirely possible that its a ticking time bomb in the mines of AMS, just waiting to detonate and wipe Appalachia off the map
I'm thinking maybe Ultracite is a variant of the mineral known as Saturnite in Fallout New Vegas: After all, they both have similar mysterious properties, and you can find large Saturnite crystals in certain areas around the Big Empty that look like red versions of the Ultracite crystals in Appalachia. Who knows: Maybe Saturnite is a stable form that Ultracite eventually decays into after a hundred years or so? That's my theory at least.
Got to say you are getting pretty good with the Appalachia pronunciation! It’s nice to hear it the way I’ve always heard it pronounced. As for my thoughts on the Pitt I have to say I’m pretty surprised too about the amount of actually interesting lore they filled this place with. At first I felt a little put off to have a location we knew so well already in the game but if they manage to keep up this world building that doesn’t ruin the future lore. I’d love to see more return locations in expeditions.
I think this chapter of The Pitt ends like this: Eventually the remaining Union members evacuate, seeing how the toxic environment of the city is starting to affect them too, the fanatics linger on for a few years until the lack of food and the worsening of the trog illness destroy their faction from the inside. And until the Brotherhood's arrival the city descends into absolute anarchy of cannibalism and insanity caused by the toxic air and mutations.
Another thing I wanna comment on is the food issue. I live in western NY 20 minutes from PA. I can't speak for Pittsburg directly but I've spent a fair bit of time in PA and WV. We aren't like I think people think we are. We have canning cupboards full. Freezers full. Buckets of wheat berries. We grind our own flour. We hunt deer and rabbit. Personally I wouldn't have to even leave my house for 8 months maybe a year. I'm of the belief the people who survive the initial blast and the following few days are the preppers. The people with too many guns... I speculate the player character wouldn't be so rare... Fallout has always painted the survivors as not as smart or prepared as they actually would be.
to be fair considering the refugees in the whitespring a lot of people are realizing the pitt is lost. i do wish the union were more honest about wanting to control the pitt and I'm willing to bet a lot of the fanatic power armor frames are ones they built alongside the scrap armor ontop of it. the ability to build multiple power armor troops. who could resist
While your closing arguments about why life in the Pitt is ridiculous make sense, frankly, it's a problem that the entire Fallout franchise has always had. For me, one of the funniest and most telling moments in the whole IP is a comment made by Arcade Gannon in FO:NV, where he asks the player to research home remedies saying something along the lines of "we can't just keep raiding hospitals for our medical supplies forever"... Honestly, the only way I can get past it is to just shrug and surrender to suspension of disbelief; putting it in the same category of gamification sacrifices as the truncation of world maps and populations, the hilarious extremes of retconning that go into keeping FO staples like the universal adoption of caps as a currency across games, etc.
Though we can see it cause of game limitations i like to think that the responders are able to use some type of rail system or they have working vehicles.
I like what fallout 76 has become but I still can’t help but be confused as to why we have never once heard about vault dwellers saving people in the Pitt or about the scorch beasts had think something that important would be talked about but this can all be fixed simply by saying soft reboot in a new universe
When it comes to the Scorch Beasts, I believe that as of the close of 2102, early 2103, they effectively lost the ability to reproduce. I could be wrong about that, but I believe that the loss of the Queen means that we're killing whatever remains of their brood. We're still able to repeat the SBQ fight because it's the climax of the story of vanilla Fallout 76, but I don't believe the constant nuking of that site, and endlessly battling the same enemy is the actual canonical story. This would mean that by 2277, when the Lone Wanderer explores the Capital Wasteland, they've been extinct for probably over 150 years. By that time, the Pitt had fallen into even more extreme chaos, been cleansed by the Brotherhood, and had risen to become something else entirely. 150+ years is a long time. It wouldn't' shock me at all if all trace of the Union and Fanatics had been wiped out by then.
@@IrresoluteCartographer it just feels highly improbable someone recorded information we had a inoculation on top of a whole branch of the brotherhood aware of the threat they would have recorded information of some sort. The Pitt would still have some kinds of sign of the union and fanatics maybe lore? If we can find information from 200 years ago I feel we’d Find a terminal or something about Appalachia
It’s hard to say, because though there are many similarities, there are also many differences. Similar: you’re building what amounts to a small settlement where ever you want, with more decorative options than are available in 4 Different: it’s just you, and potentially one NPC lite companion there. Players can visit of course, but the settlement mechanics aren’t there. Along with that, instead of having most of the decorations available from the start, a large portion have to be found or earned over a long period of time. If you’re wanting to dip your toe in, but don’t want to potentially throw your money away if you end up not liking it, I’d recommend waiting for a free weekend, or if you have a game pass, playing on that
@@IrresoluteCartographer good to know. Although the 1 other person thing per CAMP is kind of strange. It seems like putting the players in the shoes of Aradesh from Fallout 1 and having to build up your own little city or tribe would’ve been a perfect premise for the kind of game 76 is.
That would be a neat concept (building a settlement like Shady Sands. In this case, the lite companions are ‘lite’ because they don’t follow you as you travel, instead they hang around your camp. In a couple cases they give you quests. The two most detailed are Commander Daguerre (An astronaut that crashed into Appalachia in 2103), and Beckett (a former Blood Eagle raiders working to destroy his old compatriots)
The Pitt update was a contributing factor to my walking away from FO76. The game was all grind with no real reward, and then I find out I have to grind even more, not to unlock the Pitt but everytime I wanted to go to the Pitt. Just done. Good idea with a dogshit execution at every turn.
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Personally I think it’s criminal that your channel doesn’t have more subscribers, these videos are always so well done that I find myself listening to them whilst exploring Fallout 76. The Pitt was a very interesting location in terms of story and lore and I’m glad you helped explain it more.
Same, these vids are awesome. No bull, no prolonging stuff for no reason, just good info. My new favorite fallout lore channel.
I would have been happy waiting if Bethesda made the Pitt an expansion map with its own quests, bases, etc.
That would be nice
Excellent rundown. The Pitt is never going to have a happy ending sadly..but with this..we now have a great glimpse inside the guts of the city.
It’s crazy because i was just thinking in my head i wanted to learn more about the pit pre fallout 3 cuz i remember commercials for the DLC for 76 and you upload this video today. Great stuff man
Never played 76 as yet. But when I get the chance definitely will just to play this part of it. The Pitt dlc was ,still is my favourite Fallout dlc, just got that something extra I can't easily explain.. I like how 76 expands on its lore in this prequel setting. For me, I could write a screen play for a Fallout movie just about the Pitt. And I think it might satisfy most Fallout fans, with the inclusion of the BoS in its history. I've had the fan fic ideas in my head since I played the dlc on the console when first came out. Now that I've got all this back story lore too. It would be like going from A to B ,the story just about writing itself, apart from couple own characters I created. It would be streamlined canon lore friendly.
You're information, narration is highly detailed, and straight forward. I've watched couple 76 Pitt lore vids before. But nothing as carefully detailed as this. Feel like I've got the whole history of it for now. Til Beth creates some new content of course.
My only issue is that they corrupted the Whitespring in a way I won't accept would have taken place. First we just play like the above ground and the below ground there are somehow separate. Modus runs that place. First Modus wouldn't allow it and second Modus wouldn't be oblivious to what's going on. The Responders would have picked back up in Flatwoods or Morgantown. Morgantown airport has less scorched to clear than the ghouls they cleared at Whitespring and Flatwoods has none around the Responders portion of the town.
I’m not saying this is the case, but what if MODUS is behind the new Responders?His appearance, and the reputation of the Enclave, is likely to be off putting to most wastelanders; what if he is behind them taking up residence in the Whitespring, where we can potentially do the good of the Responders, with some of his own objectives thrown in. The fact that we’re getting Ultracite power cells furnished by a group that is almost certainly the Enclave would suggest they’re onboard with us fighting the Fanatics, at the very least.
@@IrresoluteCartographer If you pass a charisma check while talking with Orlando, they all but outright say that they are working for MODUS, and thus MODUS is the backer for the reborn responders, at least that's how I interpret "Mr. Otis" & the fact that this is all at the Greenbrier, er Whitespring.
Hey just letting you know that the trog striker is an easter egg of sorts when you collect all his logs logs in the pit. Normal ones are called trog devourer. Also I believe coming next update Once in a Blue Moon will remove the ultracite fuel system for repeated expeditions to the pitt, but that might be up to change because could be unbalanced.
Thanks for sharing, on both points!
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So a big reason why the Responders can go to Pittsburgh is because they have Ultracite power cells powering their Vertibirds, right? The incredible capabilities of Ultracite get me wondering why there is just no mention or evidence of it outside of Fo76. Obviously Ultracite and everything else in Fo76 is too new for it to have been mentioned in any previous games. I'm starting to think though that there may be some catastrophe, perhaps having to do with Ultracite, which would make it impossible for it to be mentioned or involved in any way in any game outside of 76.
Also, I gotta say as a person who loves learning about history I really do appreciate the bits of real world history you include in your videos. You really do deserve more views and subscribers.
It does seem likely that Ultracite will play a large role in the future of Appalachia, one way or the other. Personally, I’m hoping it goes the opposite direction, and the people of Appalachia use the power from Ultracite to build a better life and then hide themselves from the rest of the wasteland, but it’s entirely possible that its a ticking time bomb in the mines of AMS, just waiting to detonate and wipe Appalachia off the map
I'm thinking maybe Ultracite is a variant of the mineral known as Saturnite in Fallout New Vegas: After all, they both have similar mysterious properties, and you can find large Saturnite crystals in certain areas around the Big Empty that look like red versions of the Ultracite crystals in Appalachia. Who knows: Maybe Saturnite is a stable form that Ultracite eventually decays into after a hundred years or so? That's my theory at least.
because it is a retcon
Got to say you are getting pretty good with the Appalachia pronunciation! It’s nice to hear it the way I’ve always heard it pronounced. As for my thoughts on the Pitt I have to say I’m pretty surprised too about the amount of actually interesting lore they filled this place with. At first I felt a little put off to have a location we knew so well already in the game but if they manage to keep up this world building that doesn’t ruin the future lore. I’d love to see more return locations in expeditions.
Thanks! I’m hoping we get at least one more expedition that takes us to The Mill, and we get to take down the head of the Fanatics
Thanks for the video! I love going to The Pitt, and now that we don’t have to do those annoying daily quests, it has basically no downsides
I think this chapter of The Pitt ends like this:
Eventually the remaining Union members evacuate, seeing how the toxic environment of the city is starting to affect them too, the fanatics linger on for a few years until the lack of food and the worsening of the trog illness destroy their faction from the inside. And until the Brotherhood's arrival the city descends into absolute anarchy of cannibalism and insanity caused by the toxic air and mutations.
Class is in session!
Another thing I wanna comment on is the food issue. I live in western NY 20 minutes from PA. I can't speak for Pittsburg directly but I've spent a fair bit of time in PA and WV. We aren't like I think people think we are. We have canning cupboards full. Freezers full. Buckets of wheat berries. We grind our own flour. We hunt deer and rabbit. Personally I wouldn't have to even leave my house for 8 months maybe a year. I'm of the belief the people who survive the initial blast and the following few days are the preppers. The people with too many guns... I speculate the player character wouldn't be so rare... Fallout has always painted the survivors as not as smart or prepared as they actually would be.
to be fair considering the refugees in the whitespring a lot of people are realizing the pitt is lost. i do wish the union were more honest about wanting to control the pitt and I'm willing to bet a lot of the fanatic power armor frames are ones they built alongside the scrap armor ontop of it.
the ability to build multiple power armor troops. who could resist
The pitt lore and world building is so good i wish we got to spend more time here in a proper explorable dlc
Oh yeah, another awesome video! Keep on crushing it! Just started watching, and of course it’s as high quality as ever.
the union sounds super cool i hope they make factions like it if we ever get a fallout in the mid west
At least we got to see how chaotic Pittsburgh was in 2104 and it was still chaotic when the lone wanderer came 173 years later in 2277.
Awesome job. Good news, next update you won't have to do the Whitespring Dailies anymore to start an expedition!
While your closing arguments about why life in the Pitt is ridiculous make sense, frankly, it's a problem that the entire Fallout franchise has always had. For me, one of the funniest and most telling moments in the whole IP is a comment made by Arcade Gannon in FO:NV, where he asks the player to research home remedies saying something along the lines of "we can't just keep raiding hospitals for our medical supplies forever"...
Honestly, the only way I can get past it is to just shrug and surrender to suspension of disbelief; putting it in the same category of gamification sacrifices as the truncation of world maps and populations, the hilarious extremes of retconning that go into keeping FO staples like the universal adoption of caps as a currency across games, etc.
I can’t stop watching your videos. I just can’t. Too good to stop.
Though we can see it cause of game limitations i like to think that the responders are able to use some type of rail system or they have working vehicles.
Most of the rail infrastructure is still there, just 27 years after the war. It’d be great if they restored at least some of it
I like what fallout 76 has become but I still can’t help but be confused as to why we have never once heard about vault dwellers saving people in the Pitt or about the scorch beasts had think something that important would be talked about but this can all be fixed simply by saying soft reboot in a new universe
When it comes to the Scorch Beasts, I believe that as of the close of 2102, early 2103, they effectively lost the ability to reproduce. I could be wrong about that, but I believe that the loss of the Queen means that we're killing whatever remains of their brood. We're still able to repeat the SBQ fight because it's the climax of the story of vanilla Fallout 76, but I don't believe the constant nuking of that site, and endlessly battling the same enemy is the actual canonical story. This would mean that by 2277, when the Lone Wanderer explores the Capital Wasteland, they've been extinct for probably over 150 years. By that time, the Pitt had fallen into even more extreme chaos, been cleansed by the Brotherhood, and had risen to become something else entirely. 150+ years is a long time. It wouldn't' shock me at all if all trace of the Union and Fanatics had been wiped out by then.
@@IrresoluteCartographer it just feels highly improbable someone recorded information we had a inoculation on top of a whole branch of the brotherhood aware of the threat they would have recorded information of some sort. The Pitt would still have some kinds of sign of the union and fanatics maybe lore? If we can find information from 200 years ago I feel we’d Find a terminal or something about Appalachia
If I enjoy the settlement building in Fallout 4, is 76 worth getting for the CAMP features?
It’s hard to say, because though there are many similarities, there are also many differences.
Similar: you’re building what amounts to a small settlement where ever you want, with more decorative options than are available in 4
Different: it’s just you, and potentially one NPC lite companion there. Players can visit of course, but the settlement mechanics aren’t there. Along with that, instead of having most of the decorations available from the start, a large portion have to be found or earned over a long period of time.
If you’re wanting to dip your toe in, but don’t want to potentially throw your money away if you end up not liking it, I’d recommend waiting for a free weekend, or if you have a game pass, playing on that
@@IrresoluteCartographer good to know. Although the 1 other person thing per CAMP is kind of strange. It seems like putting the players in the shoes of Aradesh from Fallout 1 and having to build up your own little city or tribe would’ve been a perfect premise for the kind of game 76 is.
That would be a neat concept (building a settlement like Shady Sands. In this case, the lite companions are ‘lite’ because they don’t follow you as you travel, instead they hang around your camp. In a couple cases they give you quests. The two most detailed are Commander Daguerre (An astronaut that crashed into Appalachia in 2103), and Beckett (a former Blood Eagle raiders working to destroy his old compatriots)
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The Pitt update was a contributing factor to my walking away from FO76. The game was all grind with no real reward, and then I find out I have to grind even more, not to unlock the Pitt but everytime I wanted to go to the Pitt. Just done. Good idea with a dogshit execution at every turn.
The concept of doing charitable work for the Responders in order to gain the ability to do charitable work for the Union was an odd choice.