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“People do things and say things, and I don’t think they should be held accountable” girl wtf
“we’ve done things a certain way for so long, why would we change it?” like WHAT 😭😭😭😭 no way this is real
yeah that juat didn't make any sense did it lmao
Brainwashed, sadly.
No literally!!!!! Heartbreaking to hear her mindset 😣
Right?! I wanna ask her what DOES hold people accountable 🤨 smh, her logic was all over the place
I love how respectful everyone was to each other, good pairs.
"So a horse is a chair?" killed me, though. 💀
that was dumb cuz she said "a seat", a horse is not a seat
@@someonesomeone9235 you can ride horses, therefore their back is a seat. saddles can also be classified as seats.
@@someonesomeone9235 shut up
@@lovemileyxox that's still stupid. She clearly stated that a seat has back for people to lean on.
I was like “chairs are not living things, horses are” what a fucking idiot😂
Bailey 1000% is the type of person who doesnt read books because she "doesnt get it so it must be wrong" kudos to Riley that man is a true gentlemen
“Tre gentleman” be so fucking fr that bitch was so condescending
Bro she was talking saying “why change something that we’ve had for a long time” and “people say things and shouldn’t be held accountable” like GIRL what the f-ing h-ll are you talking about 💀💀
What an ironically sexist thing to say, you don't have to insult her intelligence
Lmao when she literally said “i don’t think people should be held accountable”
@@taresuriel6651there is none to insult-that’s the point
The guy talking to the lady was so kind and gentle in his explanations. Him explaining "i dont see skin color" being an outdated phrase, explaining to her that she can have her traditional household just let others live the way they wish to, all of it. He was just a class act. Really seemed like he was educating, and she did seem to listen, like the gears were rolling as if shes open to what he was expressing. Loved it
Yea to her credit, she did seem to consider his views instead of just brushing him off. I respect that.
Nah he was just dumb af 🤦🏾♂️ "anyone who wnats to define as one" wtf are we women to you guys-? socks??!!?
He was a loser lmao
Yes I loved him!
@@crystalrainnwalton nah he was cringe af
I really commend how well Riley engaged with Bailey. She's very much stubbornly in her own world. He navigated the discussions really well & tried to show her alternative perspectives. Patient and good active listener. Seems like a nice guy.
Aww thank you, that means a lot :)
And attractive
Right? Love his perspective and how he handled the situation. Def want to see more of him!
Yes, 100% agree, Riley, well done!
@@rileylewisdolan woah it's the guy!
riley has the patience i strive for in my life. i wouldn’t have been able to talk to bailey for more than 60 seconds w/o walking out
What is your ideal world then? 1 ruler - 1 party, something like China or N. Korea?
@@PROVOCATEURSKwhat does that have to do with their comment?
This is the exact reason that the sides stay divided! We need to stay patient with each other and be willing to explain AND listen to the other side.
@@pixelzebra8440the other side should have more coherent beliefs that are even slightly challenging to oppose. Everything she said in this video is very easily argued away, which is why it’s so frustrating. Why can’t they critically think about their own views? The opposite answer is so simple and yet they are willfully ignorant of it. So would having a conversation with this type of person really move their position, when they could’ve easily moved it without our intervention?
It’s not like I couldn’t argue with someone who has different beliefs than me, but I’d prefer to argue with someone who has well thought out beliefs that make me actually think about their position. Because then this person might actually change my mind, or I might change theirs, or at least we’d become aware of a new perspective. At least we’d have a productive conversation.
@@spook6394 Thanks for being the example of why most of us would have walked out
I swear the ‘anti feminist’ guy wasn’t even anti feminist, bro was just confused 😭
Ikr XD
he was just nuanced like most ppl. i hate how ppl say theyre antifeminists cuz we all know feminism is about gender equality. what they usually mean is they aren't for the hardcore radical 4th wave version of feminism
I think he is probably in the manosphere world and might be getting some of those motivational coaches that are saying some incorrect things about women. It skews your perspective on them and how they’re actually thinking and feeling and why. Total assumption though I could be wrong
Bro isn't radicalized and a normal human. A normal human would be seen as anti-feminist today because modern feminism is super hateful and regressive
he said anti fascist lol.
“I’m anti-fascist”, bro doesn’t even know why he’s there 😂
Also, I respect the guy in the plaid SO much. He was so patient with the anti-feminist and omg, his horse comment 💀
that man is absolutely tripping on something 😂
@@emd9430I literally looked at my TV like 🤨🤨🤨 when he said that lmao
Really you think a horse has a Seat and Back to lean against?
Because if you remove the vagina, from a woman's description.
Then your Brother or Father could be your Mother, and that's going to make Mother's Day veeeeery expensive for you.
a chair is an inanimate object with legs (or one leg if it's a stool or one of those fancy schmancy chairs or something) designed for people to sit on. u can treat many things like a chair (such as a horse) but that doesn't it make it so. ppl sit on tables but that doesnt make it a chair. that really wasnt a gotcha at all despite it coming off that way. not sure why it's so hard for ppl to say a women is a biological female adult. believe it or not, most liberals(like me) dont have a problem defining it.
@@MsDudette21 I think you’re defining “sex” and “gender” into the same definition, which they do not. As the guy in the plaid mentioned in this vid, being a woman is a social construct. idk why you had to mention you’re liberal lol
I was the guy in plaid! This definitely was an interesting experience. The whole recording time was an hour long so I was wondering which parts would make it. Lots of more good stuff that was unfortunately cut!
you got the patience of a saint dude
I respected you so much in this video. Your patience, I could never 😂😂
YOU DID SO WELL! The patience you had talking to that women is insane, I really admire that. What did the lady say after your horse comment?
"So a horse is a chair" dusted me 😂
You were AMAZING and so patient and well spoken
Her saying "I don't think he should be held accountable for something that happened years ago" is the mindset supporting and behind so many things that's wrong with this country. Lack of accountability is the issue.
Exactly!! She’d probs say the complete opposite if it was a democrat president 🙄
There are many more things wrong to this country than just mindsets
I think she chose her words really poorly and was just trying to say that he did a great job as president in her opinion. IMO there are very few politicians (on both sides) in today's world which are actual nice and honest people. That does not mean they can not do a good job.
The full transcript of Trump’s “I grab ‘em by the pu55y” conversation is horrifying. Can’t believe a good religious girl like her would defend so complacently a man who views women as objects for his unaccountable interaction. Would she defend her own father if he spoke this way about her friends?
she is right. WHY THE FUCK SHOULD WE TAKE ACCOUNTABILITY FOR SOMETHING HAPPENED AGES AGO? something that most of us didn't even do only because our grandparents did, are you sane? wtf is that mentality holy shit.
she says "people say things and do things and I don´t think they should be held accountable." i´m sorry but WHAT
LMFAOOO IKR THAT GIRL IS SOMETHING ELSE
"I don't believe in consequences"
....if they're white and conservative
yeah right.... And before she speaking about the 10 Commandments.... Like love each other etc.... But I bet if her children are part of the lgbt community she will pray the gay away.....
Ikr😂she was so orthodox and close minded, like she's just been thinking a certain way all her life, ignoring all other perspectives
That’s just her perspective.
Bailey needs saving, you can tell she lives in her own bubble and hasn't been exposed to many other cultures or opinions. The fact she took a shot about rasicm spoke volumes!
America is exposed to multiculture for such a long time. And looks like they keep hating each other for the smallest diferences.
What other culture have you been exposed to ? What other radically different mindset have you encountered ? And by that, I don't mean American immigrant subcultures that have been by now strongly diluted by the "main" American culture - actually different cultures & mindset.
@@bastobasto4866 what relevance does that have? their comment was about bailey, not their personal experience.
@@her7450 "you can tell she lives in her own bubble and hasn't been exposed to many other cultures or opinions." It'd be hypocritical otherwise...
@@bastobasto4866i don’t this it’s fair to call American the main culture at all. American isn’t really a culture on its on. And the original commenters statement doesn’t lose ground regardless if she doesn’t qualify it with proof that she’s “been around” baileys mindset is one rooted in tradition being the best way when anybody who has seen how different people can be will understand that your tradition might not work for someone else.
“People say things and do things and I don’t think they should be held accountable.” Wow that girl is short more than a few brain cells
Sadly, she likely lived in an area with insufficient education. We folks from outside of the US wince at how bad your country's educational systems are.
She just parrots what she heard and learned and doesn't break down the glass house that was built for her. Most of her answers and talking points were verbatim of that whole right wing sphere. I hope she finds a way out eventually and gets some perspective or allow herself to have been duped and used by people who don't believe their own crap they are peddling. It's especially tough to hear that she said that men are "better" and therefore deserve stuff/more.
And she said that with her annoying ass voice too.
Careful now. This comment might be deemed inappropriate in 10-30 years time. You might just find yourself in a lot of trouble because of it. We don't know what will be seen as acceptable in the future...
@@DA-js7xzThat tends to happen when schools tell kids they can be any gender and push feelings over facts...
>"Why change something that's worked for so long?"
>"Maybe worked for some people"
That exchange sums it up for me.
why would people want to change something if it worked for so long?💀
that should have been asked
She said that which such uncertainty so I'm hoping she genuinely questions her own believes.
Nothing works for everyone
@@alblin I think she realized part way through the sentence she was making a bad argument.
SO A HORSE IS A CHAIR???? AHHAHAHA this man has been waiting his whole life to throw this one in, god I nearly died
A chair is a type of seat, typically designed for one person and consisting of one or more legs, a flat or slightly angled seat and a back-rest. It may be made of wood, metal, or synthetic materials, and may be padded or upholstered in various colors and fabrics. Chairs vary in design.
@@hatsuru-hito a chair is not sentient.
Super fail, she said a chair is a seat, horses aren't seats
These were paired together very well, because i know i would get so irritated with some people, while for example, the guy in the plaid shirt was very patient and kind.
And what would you do to people that irritate you with different opinions? Are you for 1 party - 1 ruler dictatorships?
@@PROVOCATEURSK what a great name you have. Yes, of course. There is a very small step from irritation to dictatorship 🤦🏻♀️
Guy wasn't kind. He was gaslighting her.
@@BrutallyBluntDude get your definitions straight
@@luvitrbs it's straighter than your definitions. How would you define a woman and gender then?
There’s a clear difference of level of education between the two groups
literally lMAO
agree, the feminists were clearly indoctrinaded in school, and they can't even define what's a woman..
It's also blatantly obvious in the way they speak and carry themselves too 😭
Its honestly a little tone deaf with one side 😭
@@Woo28 why r u guys all replying to someone who disagrees with ur side what
I’ve never seen someone so calmly bust someone’s ass. That dude was literally walking that woman.
Yeah, he believes male feminist score more....
@@dieterrosswag933we do…
"i dont see skin color." acknowledging that we are different (different race, ethnic backgrounds, experiences, etc.) is the first step to bringing upon actual change. saying you don't see skin color is like debunking or ignoring the fact that everyone is different and that there are some people are against diversity/make assumptions and stereotypes.
I don't think it's intentionally malicious. Some people do use this as a dog whistle, but for a lot of them, they project their own lives on the others. For example, if their life is going well, they assume that other people's lives are going well too. I think what the women meant is that she doesn't focus on the skin color of a person she's talking to, moreso so the character. But yes, it can be seen as being ignorant if heavily leaned into.
@@stealthis its still a micro aggression though, if u dont know what that is i suggest looking it up.
@@briar7371 I honestly think microaggressions are too vague and arbitrary to be defined, and it can actually discourage dialogue imo
…Was saying that a microaggression? This is exactly my point…
"I dont see skin color" is being interpreted too literally by commies. It isnt literal. It just means that you dont judge people based on skin color. That is it.
@@stealthis it's incredibly ignorant and as a person of privilege like they are, they should know better.
“People can say things and still be kind and genuine” THE MATHS NOT MATHING
She doesn't believe in consequences but only when it applies to people like her and her way of thinking. But anyone outside of that should be held accountable.
@@tobiaslawrence8928 LITCHERALLY
@@tobiaslawrence8928so she a facist
''People who are kind and genuine don't make mistakes, they're perfect and never say anything they might regret later.'' - Liberal logic
@@nelsonricardocosta mmmm no that's not how that works, but most good people don't do SA... I think it's safe to assume he isn't a very good person.
Bless Riley’s heart! He was so kind and patient with Bailey. And his explanation of why some of us hate that “I don’t see color” phrase was spot on. But also, kudos to Bailey for listening to his responses and being willing, and it seems pretty open, to the conversation.
The crazy lady in tan really said People shouldn’t be held accountable for their actions. Lmao
Literally billions of people want to unalive doctors for working on sabbath day or for leaving the desert religion. Those people should be not held accountable for doing these things.
@@PROVOCATEURSK 😅😅😅
“I only said the n-word! We shouldn’t be held accountable for our actions!” Works by that logic 😭😭
Yes Bailey, you can answer the question, you're just embarrassed about the answer which is why you're taking a shot 😂
Riley was impressively patient and articulate. I could never be that calm in the face of such nonsense. Bravo sir.
All the female antifeminists stating they have a problem with "women who dress how they want and do what they want" have been conditioned to be scared of their own autonomy. It's sad.
Yeah, women suck. Am I right fellas?
It seems you're projecting. Being modest isn't being scared of autonomy, quite the opposite.
@@konroh2you dont get it. there scared of women having the right to choose how they present themselves. modest women are protected under feminism and so are the hoochie mamas
@@jadashinho I understand about presenting oneself. But it's not about being scared how a woman presents herself, it's about recognizing that the way we present ourselves means something. Modesty recognizes the power of femininity, and about not objectifying oneself.
@@konroh2 modesty and femininity have nothing to do with each other. being feminine comes in a array of ways. modesty stems from religion.
Love the guy in the plaid so much. So much respect for his patience and intelligence. The girl he was paired with is what a facepalm would be if it was a person. 🤦🏻♀️
If you seriously think that, then you are just as naive as the man in the video you are speaking about.
@@dominic-deeter🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅🍅
You love the guy in the plaid not enough to be attracted to him because you go for chads and Tyrone Men way above your standards
A lot of times it confuses me that people have so different definitions of feminism. You can google it.
The anti-feminist guy wasn't against feminism. He was against hatred.
Feminism is presented like some sort of negative hatred movement in much of american media-sphere. Much like anti-fascisms.
The “feminism” you talk about doesn’t exist anymore! It died a long time ago, there’s some bias with every feminist today. They don’t care about ALL genders
Imo, he was against criticism of men - not feminist ideologies. However, telling women they can’t criticize their oppressors because it hurts his feelings, seriously disables the movement. You can’t deconstruct something that you aren’t allowed to speak out against. Male allies can be powerful, but an ally that cannot stand to listen to the frustrations and grief of women significantly inhibits his ability to participate in feminism. This goes for all social change. Trying to tone police the language of the oppressed is antagonistic of the movement itself.
@@lauren3227 You got a valid point there - it was a short video and the way he phrased it sounded to me like he doesn't like women who generally hate all men, because of their gender. Which I feel is understandable.
What you say though is very true and that's the majority of men I encounter on a daily basis - they think of themselves as people wanting equal rights for all, but they wouldn't call out a friend harassing a waitress, because that's too much work (just an example).
Feminism is a changing decentralised movement. So therefore there isn't one type of feminist, or rules people have to follow. Anyone can adopt it and change it to their liking. As a result, you can't take a dictionary definition of the word feminism and say that is what the movement is about. People who are anti feminism are usually looking at the movement or the people who use the label and are anti them. Same thing happens with LGBT+ and any other social movements.
I’m in love with Riley. Not (only) because he’s a feminist, but the way he expresses himself and how he handles a different opinion. Mad respect 🙌🏻
He's so patient and calm 😊
Imagine hating your gender
A self hating man is what most feminists want
The “horse is a chair” guy is one of the most eloquent speakers I’ve ever heard, he phrased everything I was thinking perfectly
Guy? He? What makes you think that person is a man?
@@DavinFIGJAM. Great comment, David! You really got them. Way to go, champ! Keep that up.
@@theovanhurtere Can you answer the question or not? If that persons idea of words is that things are so complicated that you can't just put them into a category why do we put them into the category of man?
@@DavinFIGJAM. Yes, David, I can! He commented on this very video identifying himself as "the guy in plaid". I'm really loving what I'm seeing from you, David. Keep it strong, mate.
@@theovanhurtere Do you think you could of figured out whether they were a man without them stating they were?
"Why changing stuff that work for so long?"..... So is she for abortion then? I bet to differ but it's something that was here for SO LONG, no?
It's ironic that you say that because most feminists are pro-choice.
"i want people to be hanged for having a birthmark" energy (in the salem witch trials birthmarks were signs of "witches")
I was about to comment something similar. Just cause something has been around for so long doesn’t mean it should continue to stay that way. Like how about slavery, or animal testing, or technology even? Why evolve?
Because she hasn’t been experiencing how women in Asia, India, and many places are being treated. She’s uneducated.
You get to know how informed are feminists, how they don’t get caught on their own bubble, and learning from other people experiences, not just under “if this worked for a long time, we should keep it that way”
Informed on what? They want what benefits them, not equality.
@@PROVOCATEURSKthat’s a blanket statement based of a radical minority that the media loves to push on everyone’s faces. It’s not credible to base an entire movement off of such a small section. Feminism isnt advocating for women to get everything. It’s advocating for everyone ,regardless of race sex gender or otherwise, to be assured they’re rights as humans to have control over they’re bodies and autonomy
@@PROVOCATEURSK equality would benefit everyone so yeah pretty much
@@squidge4728 They discriminate in schools and court rooms: they only pretend to want equality.
I only see that you are uninformed that:
- women only work 36 hours a week onaverage while men work 40 hours a week, despite women pretending they are unfairly paid
- women choose do less dangerous jobs even if it means dangerous jobs are better paid
- women drop out of stressful jobs far far more often even if the job pays more
- boys are discriminated against in academia and in exam marking
- courts profit from husbands being falsely accusations of abuse
- men are accused of cheating on a daily basis despite women cheating far more
- male cancer patients are ignored despite being the most at risk
- feminism was originally founded as a supremacist group that was for white women only
- the salem witch trials was about a man who was tortured to death over a false accusation of witchcraft by two women
- even before the equal rights movement, men would be hanged for rape and many times they were false accusations: this includes two black men who were lynched over a false accusation
- a study from Harvard claimed that 70% of domestic violence was caused by women
- 70-90% of incarcerated criminals, including rapists, were from single mother households, while single fathers contributed little to no more crime than families with both parents
women have molested children and the worst they get is about two weeks in prison
men are usually left with nothing in a marriage, and women will do everything the can to stop them spending time with their children
- abuse shelters (the majoriety of which run by women) discriminate against male victims while women pretend that men prevent other men from talking about abuse
- men are far more likely to be murdered but society only cares about women being victims
- the crime rate among women has only ever gone up over the years
- male suicides are far higher but are always ignored and men are pretty much always mocked, vilified and harassed in the media
- girls with no fathers end up lacking confidence
There are somany other points to mention, but above is just a small amount of examples right under your nose while you pretend others than yourself live in a bubble.
Conclusion: you're the ones living in a bubble and that your ignorance only encourages people to never ever trust galsighting, abusive feminists ever again: you are the problem, here.
"People do say things and do things, and I don't think people should be held accountable."
yah she is not representing anti feminists correctly
Smartest conservative
Tbh it sounded like they edited this clip dirty here. You could tell she was going to say something after and they cut it off.
@@poejavelski148 I mean, the editors can say things and do things and not be held accountable… ya know, literally based on her logic
@@emd9430 Not if only the part of the logic came out on the end material, then you're basing it on a lie, not someone's actual idea.
Kudos to the dude with the horse as a chair lady. You could tell he was trying to be patient.
Horses don’t have a backrest so he kinda messed up.
@@speedmetalmassiah567 he said a back, not a backrest. horses have backs
@@Emma-gq5ou a separate seat for one person, typically with a back and four legs. Horses are not seats Chairs are seats horses are horses
@@sukunawillstillwin obviously a horse isn’t a chair. That’s the guy’s point; definitions can be too difficult to define.
@@sukunawillstillwin when someone is riding a horse is it not functioning as a seat?
Charity and Emily were so patient with each other. They were both ready to listen to what the other had to say. I was also glad they both learned something in the end.
A HORSE IS A CHAIR I love this man
he was so prepared for that
@@angelamitchel3984 yes he was😂😂 GIT ER 👏🏽👏🏽
DRAG HERRRR
Yes! That girl was awful!
@@later_skateboards why
They couldnt even give feminists a compliment? They had to take a shot? Grow up.
The one needs to yes, definitely. However, the other one that suggested shots with the other woman and gave a compliment is fine.
right. feminism is the reason she has the freedom to be who she wants to be.
ik but you could tell they were childish by their identification as “anti feminist”
literally couldn’t even be like thanks for working on gaining woman the right to fucking vote 😭
@@MsDudette21 she doesn't understand that because she likely grew up being brainwashed by men, since we still live in a society that gives them more power (patriarchy).
We need more Riley's in the world. He is an absolute saint. I certainly do not have the patience for the Bailey's out there.
“My own definition of a feminist is a man or a woman who says, yes, there’s a problem with gender as it is today and we must fix it, we must do better. All of us, women and men, must do better.”
― Chimamanda Ngozi Adichie, We Should All Be Feminists
This is a quote that says nothing other than to stir the pot.
what problems do women face that men dont?
@@LeonidasIV how does it stir the pot exactly? it’s not polarizing in any way
@@millauy5685 Yes it is, we don't need to "fix" other people, that's not our role. Feminism was about LEGAL RIGHTS, not social engineering where we try to "fix" gender as if it's broken. Now we're at the level where you have men saying they're women
@@fin267 pink tax, getting human trafficked, getting dehumanized by active porn-users (yes both male and female
Bailey’s just generalizing all women as what she believes. She’s living in her own world and everyone is obligated to follow her. She’s absolutely delusional.
Honestly, I also think she’s not very informed on what she’s saying…
She’s never stepped outside of her hometown and it shows
@@elisaguilez7561Coming from the feminists who are unable to tolerate other opinions, even when theirs is factually incorrect...
Leave your echo chamber
You just described leftism. Projection much?
Not to mention the dude said a horse is a chair and couldn't even define what a woman is LOL
@@Digger-Nick Exact! That's exactly what the leftists do! Plus those who identify themselves as I don't know what other stupid things and expect us to enter their crazy world.
I knew I was going to get baffled and frustrated when watching this but that Bailey woman really took things to a whole other level. The things she said literally made my skin crawl. Let's all be glad she's (hopefully) not in any position of power to make grand, sweeping changes. Kudos to Riley for his unwavering patience...and his comment about a horse being a seat! The look on Bailey's face made me LOL.
"What do you think of Trump's comments on women?"
"...You know people say things, do things, and I don't think that people should be held accountable."
Yikes.
Which just means "he said this over 20 years ago, why should i care?"
And shes correct.
@@weefy117 I suppose it depends yes if he said it over 20 years ago and has changed no point dwelling on something that isn’t relevant, the problems stems from the fact he said something 20 years ago and he still thinks the same things about women
She seems really scared to have her own thoughts. Doesn't seem like she grew up in a safe and healthy environment.
@@weefy117 and that 20 years ago was the present 20 years ago, yet those people still had the same reaction.
@@naariznica3133 no they didnt. That recording was leaked 20 years or so after it took place
This is really "I want each woman to choose their own role in society" vs "I want each woman to fall into the one role that I think is best, according to me." I see this same pattern for abortion, religion, and LGBT issues. Conservatives are insane. Your beliefs are YOURS, and it's not up to you to dictate how others should behave.
It's hard because those people usually grow up in areas with poor education, and small communities recycling the same garbage and indoctrinating the next generations with the same dangerous and outdated beliefs.
If everyone of those confused and mostly mentally-ill people listened to conservatives, the world would be a way better place. Many liberals feel way too comfortable.
Also you:
IF YOU DONT THINK DWAYNE ROCK IN A WIG IS A WOMAN YOURE A NAZI BIGIOT FACIST AND EVIL AHHHHHHHH AGREE WITH ME NOWWWW
@@juliaaeliseeNo it’s not
@@juliaaelisee About what? the fundamental difference between right and left? the left is pretty much just a tool for the zionist globalists while the right are simply average everyday people.
for example starting a family having a religion that is considered right wing.
Being an onlyfans wh0re and telling people it’s okay to be 800 lbs? that is left wing.
one is beneficial and the other is a tool used by the elites to destroy society. the left is told what to think and the right thinks for themselves
Bailey was out here looking a whole fool. 😂 "I don't think people should be held accountable..." Girl please. The absolute mental gymnastics these people have to do to make their "logic" work in their head...
I am really disappointed that they didn't really talked about the definition of feminism, which would have been a really good base for that conversation.
because when you bring in the definition, the whole discussion is over. You cannot disagree with it in that case
Because it depends on what time period you're referring to. Most people(at least in the U.S.) would support the ideals of the original feminist movement(especially after seeing how it's played out) like right to vote and buy property etc., but when advocating women to have extra rights and privileges beyond men, that's where people get upset.
It's the notion of having your cake and eating it too.
@David Hunt what are " extra " rights? And what rights of men are being threatened or jeopardized ?
@@davidhunt6508 feminism is literally just wanting equality. You’re making stuff up with the “women want MORE rights than men”. Get off Fox News and go read about intersectional feminism
@@kn7833 exactly the argument is that feminists see there are more rights to be won to achieve equality while anti-feminists see the same issue as rights being taken from men.
how can you even be anti-feminist, like you don't want to be equal to other human beings?
I'm sure you're smart enough to know that's not what feminism is about anymore
No, feminism means for woman. If u want to say equality then it’s equalitism dummy
because feminism itself since long time stopped being about equality and became something else
Have you heard of supremacists, lol
If you believe women and men are already treated equally, you will most likely be anti-feminist. And actually most people are NOT feminist, for that exact reason. So..... open your eyes maybe.
i feel like they hardly even talked about feminism in this video like the questions were so dumb
“So a horse is a chair”
I AM SCREAMING. Ate her right up respectfully!
I disagree, it made him look foolish to be honest. The definition she gave him didn't even qualify a horse to be a possible answer. He was just trying to score a "gotcha" and it failed.
@@metashadow3924 Shut up goofy.
@@metashadow3924 Horse.
Something you can take a seat on. Check.
Something with 4 legs. Check.
Something with a back. Check.
Horse= Chair. What's not clicking?
@@alblin The part where a horse is not the same as a chair. But it's amusing to see that you think they are the same thing apparently.
@@metashadow3924 yes, they are absolutely not the same, but by her definition they are.
THAT'S the point he's trying to make, not that a horse is a chair but that there's a lot of nuance and sort of "grey space" when defining things.
3:09 "people do say things and do things, and I don't think, that people should be held accountable. especially for things that happened years and years and years ago - people can say things and still be kind/genuine people". --- how tf am I not accountable for my past?
This was way better than i expected. It genuinely looked like 2 friends who had 2 different viewpoints talking over drinks instead of 2 people yelling and screaming at each other trying to prove points. I wish it was longer
3:12 “ People say things, and do things I don’t think we should hold them accountable” 😭😭😭 she is soo funny like girl WHATTT
Flannel shirt was cooking all episode, "so a horse is a chair" that was poetic
A chair is a type of seat, typically designed for one person and consisting of one or more legs, a flat or slightly angled seat and a back-rest. It may be made of wood, metal, or synthetic materials, and may be padded or upholstered in various colors and fabrics. Chairs vary in design.
She didn't define a chair 5:06
A chair is a man built piece of furniture designed for people to sit on. That's the definition. What she did was a description and that's different than definition.
Shush! They want the pastey wimpy soft boy to look smart
Bro called feminist fascist in the intro bro is out from smoke before sh*t began
He wasn't far off
she doesn't think people should be held accountable ok girl!!!! he slayed dealing w her answers
Mr. Riley sir, you’re a very kind and patient human being. Thank you.
Riley failed, she said a chair is a seat with 4 legs and he said then a horse is a chair, horses aren't seats
She was ill prepared for that question. It’s bogus and reductive reasoning. A definition has to be general enough that it can be useful to convey ideas, but not so specific that every single chair in existence needs to look the same.
It’s a concept in any introductory philosophy course. Plato’s theory of forms. The theory suggests that the physical world is not as real or true as "Forms". According to this theory, Forms-conventionally capitalized and also commonly translated as "Ideas"-are the non-physical, timeless, absolute, and unchangeable essences of all things, of which objects and matter in the physical world are merely imitations. Plato speaks of these entities only through the characters (primarily Socrates) in his dialogues who sometimes suggest that these Forms are the only objects of study that can provide knowledge.
Riley ate that girl UP. She was saying so many questionable things.
That was way more nuanced and respectful than I expected, awesome.
She really said "I don't think people should be held accountable for things they say." When I tell you my jaw dropped..
“So a horse is a chair” *slow clap* Bravo sir
Honestly, it wasn't perfect. Like the definition she said isn't perfect. If she'd have mentioned a horse being a living thing he could just ask "So a buffalo is a chair?"
That’s only a smart comparison to dumb people. A chair is a non-living piece of furniture. A horse isn’t. Which is why they are treated differently. If someone hit a chair with a baseball bat no one would give AF, but if someone hit a horse with a bat it would be animal abuse because the two are grossly different.
@@skinsfanh88 THANK YOUUUUU! most of these comments are ppl astonished by that stupid comparison.
@@skinsfanh88 I'm glad you comment the difference between a chair and a horse. Only stupid people could praise that guy with his stupid comparison.
@@skinsfanh88 "A chair is a non-living piece of furniture." Not really. A tree can be carved into a chair without killing the tree, so your definition fails.
Chairs do not have standard definitions. Beanbags, recliners, benches, couches, stools, thrones, are all chairs, yet they do not all have the exact same features that the standard chair has (seat, back, 4 legs). A chair may have 3 or 4 legs, or may have none. A chair may have a back, they may not. A chair may be made from plastic, or can be carved within a living tree. A short table can be a chair for a tall person. The definition of a chair is based on its utility, which is a subjective definition. Same with jar-opening machines.
If a rocking horse or a taxidermy horse chair can be considered chairs because we sit on them, then a living horse can be considered a chair because we sit on them as well. The same way a man can be considered a jar-opener since they can open jars.
Horses and man/woman do have descriptive definitions though. So we can accurately define what horse and woman is.
I aspire to be like that horse guy. Calm, collected, smart & gets his point across smartly
Smart, isn't the word I would use to describe any of the feminists on this video.
@@dominic-deeter the feminists were much more well spoken than the anti feminists. But it's your own opinion ig
@@All-ze9cl neither were well spoken at all lol.
@@dominic-deeter the male feminist was very respectful and was able to catch the girl slipping up cleverly.
@@All-ze9cl that "horse comment" wasn't clever in the slightest lol I could definitely tell neither were the most intelligent
"i don't think that people should be held accountable" KILLED MEEEE
The person in the red shirt did a great job to make his conversation partner reflect on her beliefs. She was just too stubborn to admit that his logic actually adds up and her believes might be wrong. I don't know if I could have stayed so calm and patient. Also you can tell he actually read some social and /or feminist theories and his answers were much more based on facts then "personal experiences". I mean sure personal experiences are valid but to set them as the "norm" and say that everybody should live a certain way because of your own personal experiences or religious believes, while completely ignoring the existence of systematic discrimination or facts, is just a bit...stupid I guess (or instilled). Also "it's right because it has always been this way" is not a valid point. 🤡
want an extended version of this asap lmao
for real they cut out so much it feels unfinished atp 😭
@@maivrse RIGHT LIKEEE 😭
I hope they release one! I was the guy in plaid and we filmed for over an hour, lots of important stuff that unfortunately had to be cut for time I guess
@@rileylewisdolan i thought so, thanks for replying! your explanations were fantastic, i was clapping throughout ahhahaha
fr this felt so short and like nothing even happened
I haven't watched a cut video in a while that got me this fiery. Bless these calm people... I couldn't do it
"I don't think people should be hold accountable", I bet on everything I own she supports the death penalty and has double standards when it comes to holding bipoc people accountable
Y’all need to get someone on here who has absolutely no fear of getting cancelled and speaks exactly what’s on their minds
I dont think that’s going to happen because lefties care about being politically correct and righties love to try to seem like they are sophisticated
I mean Bailey comes pretty close
@@megancurtis9502 feels like the casting wasn't very representative of good arguments out there. on purpose or not. i've met many anti-feminists that have made amazing arguments and counterpoints as to why they identify with that stance.
@@catcabrera6448 the thing is, I don't understand why they are advocating for less rights tho. The feminist movement lead to voting rights, property rights, the right to have your own bank account. It took till 1998 in Belgium for women to be allowed to drive a train. 1998 for fucks sake. If they wanna be housewives, let them be housewives, but they shouldn't enforce their beliefs of being the small town faithful Christian girl upon everyone else by voting for big government conservatives
@@chrisdecokere2899 Because we are witnessing the collapse of society. Women having the same rights as men plus without the consequences men would normally have for their decisions has proven to be a catastrophe. Sexual exploitation of lonely - mentally ill men (onl*fans), being favored in family courts against men, destroying the birth rate to be slaves for their bosses which leads to massive migration from violent countries, going ballistic over not being able to "unalive" their babies, turning promiscuous to the point they are incapable of being in a long lasting relationship, raising criminal/mentally ill sons as single moms, emasculation of their male partners for their selfish needs and the destruction of long marriages because they're "bored".
No society can survive for long with irresponsible and narcissistic women in charge. Meanwhile you look at more traditional socities, especially in Islam and you see strong marriages, supportive women of their husbands, a lot of children, stable households, etc. So please explain it to me very carefully. What good has equality brought to society because I don't see it.
Fully convinced women who aren't feminists don't understand what feminism actually is
Oh I see thn explain what actually the feminism is😂😂😂
“Why change something that have worked for so long?” Ain’t not way she said that 💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀💀
Man: So a horse is a chair?
Lady: Dafuq?
*horse
@@gammafrostI mean he's right 😂
he used her logic
A chair is an object, and a horse is a living animal. How exactly are the two the same? Some people just don't want to admit what's true is true.
@@khadijahbegum3546 he initially said borse
Also I think we can all learn a lesson from Riley here; educating calmly and without judgment is the only way to more openness, respect and understanding, from both sides. I don't think Bailey will become a feminist but I'm quite sure her conversation with Riley will clearly have put a few of her prejudices down.
The woman that said "I don't see skin color" showed how antiquated and ignorant she truly is.
This is gonna be interesting
shoutout to the guy talking with the lady, he was so nice and calm about his beliefs!
Yes, the fact that we've been doing the same thing for a long time is a GREAT argument to keep doing it 😂😂😂😂 Guess Bailey would've liked to keep slavery as well, seeing as that lasted hundreds of years?? 🤯🤦🏼♀️
Why change something that works? -White slave-owners
FUN FACT, slavery didn't work for hundreds of years, in fact it hindered early America. It wasn't a coincidence that after slavery was abolished that America made such large strides in the areas of industry, transportation, and education. The traditional nuclear family has also not violated any human rights such as slavery has. The notion that you could compare the ideas of keeping the traditional nuclear family with keeping slavery is absolutely idiotic. This comment section has really destroyed my faith in the future generations of America.
The nuclear family idea with two kids and a dog was from the 1950's. The traditional nuclear family in history allowed women to bo raped by their husband and it is also allowed women to bo beaten by their husband.
@dominic-deeter First of all - where do you see me compare nuclear families to slavery?? I merely used the example of slavery to point out that doing something for a long time doesn't automatically mean it's a positive thing or that it should be kept going and I used slavery to illustrate this point. You want to defend the view that conservative views are a good thing? Use better arguments than "we've been doing it for a long time".
Second of all - don't even dare deny that the USA wasn't built with money coming from colonisation and slavery. You say it "hindered" early America?? Exactly how do you think the "large strides in the areas of industry, transportation and education" were even financed?? Money made off the backs of slaves. Same in Western Europe and the UK. Why do you think these areas of the world are still so well off today?!
And third - don't you worry, I'm European and very happily so. Incredibly grateful that I don't have to spend my life living in the dumpster fire that is the USA.
@@FleuriAnneViolet I will dare to deny the fact that slavery hindered America. It was still terrible and horrific, but I will deny that fact. there are facts that back the point that I made. In hindsight I'm not sure why I compared the nuclear family to slavery lmao but my other point still stands. If the industrial revolution in America was backed by money from slaves than how was it the North that had the biggest succes in the industrial field without any slave money? I would much rather live in the usa than live somewhere in Europe. We may have our issues but that definitely doesn't mean that Europe doesn't.
Man really said so a horse is a chair 😂😂😂😂😂
That guy needs help, dumbass comparison
Difference in intelligence is insane
“I don’t see skin color” 😭 this argument stands for not being able to see the struggle of those who are of color 😂😂
If you’re blind to color then you don’t see what the world is really like !!!!
Only if you misunderstand people deliberately. When people say this, they usually mean they don't discriminate on the basis of a person's skin colour, it's just expressed in an out-dated way.
"I think the definition of feminism has changed over the past 60-70 years, I've seen it move towards being hateful towards men and their ideals of what is/isn't masculine"
That statement struck a chord with me, since that used to be my exact opinion on feminism before I had somewhat of a paradigm shift right when I finished high school. I think that idea/that mindset is a root cause of perceptions of feminism being warped in the minds of impressionable men, particularly teenagers/youths.
Generally, from what I've observed on the net (and from personal experience/reflection), someone will make a misandrist tiktok, then one or both of these will happen: some internet influencer people are subscribed to will either react to clips of that 1% of misandrists in some kind of compilation video/just a clip on a platform somewhere expressing how cringe it is, or algorithms will recommend edgier and edgier content to people due to an overlap in audiences. As a result, there's some sort of idea generated that 'This is Feminism, this is what the Liberals want you to believe people are fighting for when they identify as one' and that seed is planted. It's a dangerous climate and a big issue: it's how conservative grifters get traction, leading to impressionable fanbases (specifically young men like the beanie guy) getting these dangerous ideas and beliefs planted in their brains.
Something I really hope to see in the future is more clarity about it, and that the misconception that feminism = misandry = toxic can be nipped in the bud.
To be honest, feminists are doing a very poor job at fighting misandry. They rather bitch about misogyny on situations where it isn't present rather than actually fighting obvious misandry.
And apart from that, feminists are making certain beliefs mutually-exclusive to feminism like being pro-choice or believing that transwomen are women. That can be true if they can somehow prove it, but their arguments fail to do so.
For example, when it comes to abortion, pro-lifers genuinely believe that the right of the fetus exceeds the right of the mother in normal situations. If they have the same stance if men are the ones getting pregnant, then it means that feminism and pro-choice are not mutually exclusive since they hold men and women to the same standard if both genders could get pregnant. It just so happens that women carry the burden of getting pregnant. It's also not sexist to say that men should be prioritized in the draft because men are the physically stronger sex. Men are lucky to have stronger bodies, so they have the burden of fighting in combat. But if women and men are equal in strength, then both genders should be drafted with no discrimination.
Same with the trans topic. If people believe that men and women deserve equal rights, what has recognizing that trans people are the gender that they identify as got to do with it? The terms "man" and "woman" (both cis and trans) should be based on biology, which feminism has nothing to do with. Feminism should strive for equal rights and privileges for both sexes, regardless of whether the gender ideology is true or not.
Thank you so much for sharing your experience and perspective here, you make some really important points. I've also seen how young women can get sucked down these algorithm-fueled rabbit holes too, and it's a bit frightening
"maybe it works for some people"... She never thought about nobody else outsite her household
I wanna marry that guy
I know right😮
fag
"...so a horse is a chair?"
JNBDHUBDGUHBFGUB LMFAO
A chair is a type of seat, typically designed for one person and consisting of one or more legs, a flat or slightly angled seat and a back-rest. It may be made of wood, metal, or synthetic materials, and may be padded or upholstered in various colors and fabrics. Chairs vary in design.
Half these people dont understand feminism. Feminism is not against gender roles. Its about people being able to decide if they fit into that role or if they want to take another pathway for their life. No one wants women that only work and men that stay in the house. Its all about self empowerment
Feminism has become corrupt
the guy who compared a horse to a chair is delusional ,no logic at all
A chair is a man-made object that has a seat. Horses are animals that we tie seats to😂
Bailey is what the world thinks America is 😂
talking calmly and eloquently to someone over Issues That Matter is so, so hard -- even if you know what you want to say, under pressure it can be so much harder to make those points on the fly. especially in a conversation where someone else might interrupt or grasp a different straw, thus distracting you from what you wanted to say in the first place. plaid shirt did such a good job!!!!!
Plaid shirt guy is goated
honestly i like how everyone’s respectful in the video
I don't think we need to now about your sexual preferences
5:13 bro really said horse is a chair… that is the dumbest argument I’ve ever heard
oh boy i sure do hope there will be civil and respectful conversations happening in the comments of this wonderful video
Its better than I expected honestly. Still the occasional troll, but hey
“People say things and do things and I don’t think they should be held accountable.” LMFAO
6:56 to see the legitimate thought process of her realizing that he's kind of right is why I enjoy this channel. It goes to show that a HUGE part of human rights, equality and love all stem from the inability to understand OTHERS. Having these conversations, putting humans behind a political statement really helps people of ALL SIDES to stop, think, relate, and sometimes even agree.
The woman who mentioned women wanting to sleep with whoever they want and why should we change traditional roles- I would say the point is for a woman to be able to choose for themselves. Whether they want to wait til marriage or not, whether they want to follow traditional roles or not. We can choose for ourselves but not for others.
what do you choose
i will never understand how women can be anti-feminist
Because they're not brainwashed?.
@@thomasalmond3311 it's not about brainwashing, it's about women getting the respect and rights they deserve
@@enola8800 There's a LOT of women who don't consider themselves feminists, have you ever heard of Honey Badgers?, in case you haven't they're women who support the Men's Rights Movement which I support as well.
@@thomasalmond3311 what rights do men NOT have??? when will men stop trying to victimise themselves and make themselves look like THEY’RE the ones not being treat right
@@thomasalmond3311 obv you're a man so you don't like women fighting to have the same rights you always had, feeling threatened ?
can i just say cut matched these people so well, like i feel like if certain people were paired differently in this video then maybe there would have been more tension/arguments. but these conversations were super productive partly because they all seem like good matches!!
Normal person: A chair is a seat with four legs and a back.
Feminist: So it's an animal.
😂 I want to see this wimpy, weak chinned little soft boy try and tell a wild horse "You're a chair and I am entitled to sit on you! Dont throw me off or YOU'RE PROBLEMATIC!!" 😂😂😂
I hope Riley gets every good thing in this life
I believe in equal according to ability... worked with a woman who could not lift the other half of the strecher while working as a paramedic...
Proud of my people (the feminists) for being so calm and patient in explaining things. I wouldn’t have been as patient. I facepalmed a hundred times
Why becoming a feminist didn´t give you zen level patience and virtues?
@@PROVOCATEURSK that’s not what they said lol. stop trying to twist their words. they are very evidently talking about how the anti-feminists were so out of touch with reality that it was frustrating to watch. they applaud the feminists for being patient. not that it was frustrating for someone to become a feminist in general lol??? that literally has no relation to their original comment.
They were so calm you know. It couldn't be me 😫
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You can't explain away Amber Heard, discrimination against males in education and schools, feminism being started as a supremacist movement for white women only, Roe v Wade being a lie women doing less work than men, male cancer patients being ignored, men commiting suicide at higher rates, 70-90%of criminals being from single mother households, the lynching of black men who were falsely accused of rape, courts being paid to find men guilty of abuse even if they were innocent.
You and your people are nothing more than gaslighters.
Whenever I try to do something like this everyone starts screaming and insulting the other
the feminist man was so well-spoken. props to him for being such a great ally; we need men like this
“I do not hate women, every woman is beautiful in her own way” ok thanks I guess, but feminism has nothing to do with women wanting to be called beautiful, it’s about all genders having equal rights.
Seems more to be pro women
What rights are you fighting for if y'all can't even define a woman? What is a woman and what rights do they need?
@@SosukeTYBW a woman is anyone who identifies as a woman. And women, non-binary people and all other genders, “need” (deserve, are entitled to) the same rights as men. The goal is for gender to not play a part in how people are treated in the world. How is that not clear?