Let me be clear again, I'm Speaking from a commercial DOP point of view. Documentary filmmakers have a different approach as well. So, how do you define "run and gun"? Am I overreacting? Share your thoughts!
I think it really depends. If you're shooting a dialogue scene with 2 frame sizes on each character, being able to shoot 2 different lenses and then switching direction sounds more efficient. Tying your schedule to the lens choice sounds like it'll take more time to move grip gear back and forth
I'm not sure if I follow. That sounds like even more time than planning for that specific scene then changing setups when its time. But yeah every production is different
To me, run and gun is a minimal set up that allows you to quickly get the shots that you need. However, it can easily become convenience focused, and not story focused. I learned in a wedding filmmaking course and that I can have control over the lighting in a space if I just talk to the coordinator. Run and gun, if not planned out, and can cause you to get so convenience focused that you miss little details like that.
I see your point, Joshua, and I’m with you on the importance of pre-production for choosing the right gear. Like you, I value the planning that goes into even the most spontaneous projects. From my recent experience solo-filming in Cuba, I’ve noticed a clear distinction between “run and gun” filmmaking and verite documentary filmmaking, even though they often seem interchangeable. While I was on the move and making decisions on the fly, a significant amount of pre-production was still essential to address potential issues and align the gear with the unfolding activities. What are your thoughts on this overlap between run and gun and verite documentary approaches?
I agree with you. Verite documentary is distinctly different from what is commonly known as run and gun. Verite filmmaking requires you to study your subject thoroughly, which creates an awareness going into filming that subject. it really comes down to where your mentality is. I associate run and gun with just wing it. Which doesn't always yield the best results
@@CineDailies Right on. It sounds like you equate run and gun with a wing-it mindset. I've never thought about it like this because I'm a planner. Do you suspect these are people with little to no experience in video and film production making comments about running and gunning on your last video? I'm curious if any of them provided more context. It seems people mean different things when they run and gun.
Great point! When I talk about run and gun, I don't even have time to do ANY lens swaps at all, lol. I literally have 10 minutes to shoot a video on set sometimes. So to me, the fact that someone mentioned both run and gun and lens swapping in the same sentence is already proof that we often use the same terms for different situations. I think your build for the lidar is really dope! Only thing I don't like about the DJI lidar system is all the wires. I love my PD Movie smart. Used it on a shoot and was very happy with the results, and no wires! It's not perfect but no AF solution is.
i had the same thought about lens swapping with your lidar setup. it doesnt matter if you are a “run and gun” shooter or in a studio setup, that lidar lens build would take way too long to swap out lenses for me to feel like it was a viable solution. just rig everything to the camera. you arent gaining anything by rigging it all to the lens (by also using a $500 priprietary lens clamp) other than maybe slightly less bulk, but you proceeded to build the camera out a bit anyway so what was the point? i get the sense that if you maie a lens swap with that system, and then immediately decide that wasnt the right lens to swap to/you realize you missed a shot and need to swap back, you might be inclined to not swap back because it just took you 3 minutes to swap in the first place. and now your gear has gotten in the way of the creative process which is the antithesis of a good camera build. if it works for you then thats all that matters, but looking at something like your lidar build and thinking “that doesnt look like it would work for me” doesnt point to an issue with how solo shooters/run and gun shoots are perceived.
@@CineDailiesfor sure and i acknowledge that in my comment. but people can have opinions about your workflow/camera builds without it being some deeper issue. and im not disagreeing with the overall thesis of this video either, “run and gun” is a term that has become synonomous with “unplanned, find it in the edit, fix it in post” type shoots which isnt necessarily the same thing.
Man this video hit home. Run n Gun been the story of my life and I’m realizing how crucial planning on preproduction is. More commercial work is the goal. Bless
Autofocus on the Wide Tracking mode doesnt work properly with 6.00 on the XH2S because you'd need to select something for the camera to lock on to for the autofocus to work properly.
@@CineDailies came here to say this too! try out the new tracking mode + eye/face detect. then all you gotta do is tap on your face/eye and it should stick. works fairly well as long as the subject stays in the frame. i will say its less useful this way - since it doesn't re-acquire the eye or face if it loses it without being selected again.
Been shooting mainly esports docs and live events. Believe my definition of "run and gun" is more of being adaptable to the unknown (unscripted). While I do have some shots planned for storytelling such as interviews etc. Most of the content is at the moment due to the fairly unpredictable events that unfold. I plan with certain focal lengths and compositions and adapt to those shots unless I find periods where I change lens for either a wider or tighter shot to either show intimacy of a moment or scale.
maybe i use the phrase wrong, but to me its simply a setup i can literally run and gun with that's not heavy, not intrusive, very simple and not overly complex [no external battery, most times no LCD screen except back of camera, just carry extra batteries if i need them]. i have been looking at that DJI system and LOVE your front ring w/ rails setup and lidar on front [going right now to check that video out!]. so with my intentions of R&G, it looks like a perfect setup tbh, i dont switch lenses out and base it off a zoom lens with a certain range [either 16-35 to be up close or my 24-70 to give some space, or i just commit to one prime lens]. of course im not a professional, i dont do it for other people... i do it for myself so i dont have to pay other people and explain to them what i want. that said, not sure why people want to debate others setups at all. seems fairly pointless... but this is the internet. people should just use what they like and work best with that fits their personal needs.
In my opinion the difference in perspectives is unfortunately due to the continuing 'shrinkification' of production roles. The line between what is necessary to create conversions and gain audience attention has changed, business profit margins are only increasing and unfortunately it's the working class and especially the arts that is suffering. A great example is if you'd ever had a look at what an inhouse private company (not a production company) video/ photo professionals position description looks like. It will often consist of being experienced and specialised in every facet of the production, along with the distribution and retention and to do so all alone, no outsourcing (because the budget isn't there) and no guidance from a superior because they have zero experience in video production. With these restrictions and expectations in place you are left to be a 'content creator' and run and gun means to put in the minimum amount required to meet expectations but get the maximum outcome that would be expected from an entire team of professionals not so long ago. Not because you want to be putting in the minimum but because there is little to no room for finesse or experimentation. I pick equipment that I know will provide the least stress but still get to what my superiors are expecting. This means mostly zooms, 1 light, lav mics and instead leaning into experience to elevate the visuals and outcomes. There is no room to lean on other professionals or utilise their equipment (be it grip, elec etc) because they aren't there. You are producer, director, dp, editor, motion designer and social media expert rolled into one. Most of the time I'm operating the camera, monitoring audio, lighting and interviewing the subject at the same time while considering how the responses will turn out in the edit. I really miss being able to bounce ideas off of other artists and work with passionate creatives that want to go above and beyond to create something special instead of needing to fill out the socials calendar for the week ahead.
After watching both videos my big concern is the additional weight/stress on the lens. Not an issue for the Nisi's due to the robust PL mount and the fact you have the adapter locked down to your cage... My concern is more on the vintage lenses. I saw you calibrating some of those. My fear would be snapping the lens mount off as those were not designed to having anything more than a simple filter/hood combo attached. Is there any way to carry the weight down to the 15mm rods?
Sure, here's the translation: "I think you might not be aware of the disaster caused by the latest Fuji update for the X-H2S. Could you use your reach to let the company know about this issue? By the way, great content in this video. Thanks."
Could we please simply not use this term anymore? I've dispensed with it from my own filmmaking vocabulary. I find it antithetical to the entire filmmaking process. It implies that violence and aggression is coincident with my process. I don't want my creative process to be likened to a military operation. Language shapes behavior. Using the phrase contributes to and normalizes the everyday implicit, and sometimes explicit, violence we experience here in the USA. Improvisational filmmaking, spontaneous filmmaking, dynamic capture, on-the-fly filming, fluid motion, go with the flow, filming - these are a few of the phrases I've adopted. To me they're more descriptive and less violent. Thanks for listening.
Welcome to the FW6.0!!! It's been making the rounds the last few weeks. Maybe you can get hold of Fuji cause it's been shown to be rather terrible now on the H2s
There is no problem with “run and gun” unless you are trying to put a round peg into a square hole. The more experience you have the more you know when and how to deploy your resources - and when you’re in over your head 😉
Hi I think you nailed the problematic...you do pro work in mostly controlled environment with pre rehearse planned worked Good comparaison is you play in a music band whatever style and your prepare for the concert (the shooting Day)...and most of RUclipsrs are Jamsession guys which are a totally different world and and different mindsetup at work. So the problem is the meaning of "run and gun" is a semantic problem and how people you interpret it imho. For me you are more a classical,band player which rehearse for the gig and most of other are Jamsession guys doings wedding and live event... They are also prepping but in a different way... Personally I shoot mostly live event classical music concert so I am more of a hybrid between prod and run and gun, 8 of ten cameras are fixed prepared "must have" shots depending on the situation Solo,lead vocals ,drums etc and usually 2,3 are maned or PTZ which give you more dynamic movement...I rehearse some moves which could been used but it is more a live impro... I am a pro musician in my Day (Night) Job😂😂😂 Great content you have in your channel and happy that not just Pana has AF C issues 😂😂😂 Pana fan boy here!!!
Let me be clear again, I'm
Speaking from a commercial DOP point of view. Documentary filmmakers have a different approach as well. So, how do you define "run and gun"? Am I overreacting? Share your thoughts!
Rig mounted ready, power on, shoot. great videos
I think it really depends. If you're shooting a dialogue scene with 2 frame sizes on each character, being able to shoot 2 different lenses and then switching direction sounds more efficient. Tying your schedule to the lens choice sounds like it'll take more time to move grip gear back and forth
I'm not sure if I follow. That sounds like even more time than planning for that specific scene then changing setups when its time. But yeah every production is different
To me, run and gun is a minimal set up that allows you to quickly get the shots that you need. However, it can easily become convenience focused, and not story focused.
I learned in a wedding filmmaking course and that I can have control over the lighting in a space if I just talk to the coordinator. Run and gun, if not planned out, and can cause you to get so convenience focused that you miss little details like that.
So true and I can attest to that.
You're not overreacting. I low-key hate the term too and feel as you do that it's more an excuse to not plan for the shoot.
totally! lets do away with "run and gun" lol
Plan and be flexible;)
I see your point, Joshua, and I’m with you on the importance of pre-production for choosing the right gear. Like you, I value the planning that goes into even the most spontaneous projects.
From my recent experience solo-filming in Cuba, I’ve noticed a clear distinction between “run and gun” filmmaking and verite documentary filmmaking, even though they often seem interchangeable.
While I was on the move and making decisions on the fly, a significant amount of pre-production was still essential to address potential issues and align the gear with the unfolding activities.
What are your thoughts on this overlap between run and gun and verite documentary approaches?
I agree with you. Verite documentary is distinctly different from what is commonly known as run and gun. Verite filmmaking requires you to study your subject thoroughly, which creates an awareness going into filming that subject.
it really comes down to where your mentality is. I associate run and gun with just wing it. Which doesn't always yield the best results
@@CineDailies Right on. It sounds like you equate run and gun with a wing-it mindset. I've never thought about it like this because I'm a planner.
Do you suspect these are people with little to no experience in video and film production making comments about running and gunning on your last video?
I'm curious if any of them provided more context. It seems people mean different things when they run and gun.
Great point! When I talk about run and gun, I don't even have time to do ANY lens swaps at all, lol. I literally have 10 minutes to shoot a video on set sometimes. So to me, the fact that someone mentioned both run and gun and lens swapping in the same sentence is already proof that we often use the same terms for different situations. I think your build for the lidar is really dope! Only thing I don't like about the DJI lidar system is all the wires. I love my PD Movie smart. Used it on a shoot and was very happy with the results, and no wires! It's not perfect but no AF solution is.
Hahahah bro you are so right about that! Yeah the wires are annoying. But working with it for sure
i had the same thought about lens swapping with your lidar setup. it doesnt matter if you are a “run and gun” shooter or in a studio setup, that lidar lens build would take way too long to swap out lenses for me to feel like it was a viable solution. just rig everything to the camera. you arent gaining anything by rigging it all to the lens (by also using a $500 priprietary lens clamp) other than maybe slightly less bulk, but you proceeded to build the camera out a bit anyway so what was the point? i get the sense that if you maie a lens swap with that system, and then immediately decide that wasnt the right lens to swap to/you realize you missed a shot and need to swap back, you might be inclined to not swap back because it just took you 3 minutes to swap in the first place. and now your gear has gotten in the way of the creative process which is the antithesis of a good camera build. if it works for you then thats all that matters, but looking at something like your lidar build and thinking “that doesnt look like it would work for me” doesnt point to an issue with how solo shooters/run and gun shoots are perceived.
The point is its my rig and workflow ha
@@CineDailiesfor sure and i acknowledge that in my comment. but people can have opinions about your workflow/camera builds without it being some deeper issue. and im not disagreeing with the overall thesis of this video either, “run and gun” is a term that has become synonomous with “unplanned, find it in the edit, fix it in post” type shoots which isnt necessarily the same thing.
Man this video hit home. Run n Gun been the story of my life and I’m realizing how crucial planning on preproduction is. More commercial work is the goal. Bless
yeah man, we all go through it! but to scale your work, better planning is a must!
Autofocus on the Wide Tracking mode doesnt work properly with 6.00 on the XH2S because you'd need to select something for the camera to lock on to for the autofocus to work properly.
NOTED - I'll test that out
@@CineDailies came here to say this too! try out the new tracking mode + eye/face detect. then all you gotta do is tap on your face/eye and it should stick.
works fairly well as long as the subject stays in the frame.
i will say its less useful this way - since it doesn't re-acquire the eye or face if it loses it without being selected again.
@@ijovy3 very interesting! Thanks for coming to my rescue y'all!
It doesnt work properly in any mode
Been shooting mainly esports docs and live events. Believe my definition of "run and gun" is more of being adaptable to the unknown (unscripted). While I do have some shots planned for storytelling such as interviews etc. Most of the content is at the moment due to the fairly unpredictable events that unfold. I plan with certain focal lengths and compositions and adapt to those shots unless I find periods where I change lens for either a wider or tighter shot to either show intimacy of a moment or scale.
Totally fair for the work you do.
You doing a series on building your space? If not, you should haha
I'm working on it haha
That setup for the music video looks fire!
I'll post a few stills later!
UPDATE 6.0 really messed up the XH2s Autofocus ://
Seriously
@@CineDailies Wasnt very good before either but now it is as bad or much worse than a gh5
maybe i use the phrase wrong, but to me its simply a setup i can literally run and gun with that's not heavy, not intrusive, very simple and not overly complex [no external battery, most times no LCD screen except back of camera, just carry extra batteries if i need them]. i have been looking at that DJI system and LOVE your front ring w/ rails setup and lidar on front [going right now to check that video out!]. so with my intentions of R&G, it looks like a perfect setup tbh, i dont switch lenses out and base it off a zoom lens with a certain range [either 16-35 to be up close or my 24-70 to give some space, or i just commit to one prime lens]. of course im not a professional, i dont do it for other people... i do it for myself so i dont have to pay other people and explain to them what i want.
that said, not sure why people want to debate others setups at all. seems fairly pointless... but this is the internet. people should just use what they like and work best with that fits their personal needs.
This right here! So much truth and insight in these 9 minutes and 29 seconds - thank you! 🙏
Glad it was helpful!
Love the tinkering ⚒️
Run n gun for me means zoom lens!
In my opinion the difference in perspectives is unfortunately due to the continuing 'shrinkification' of production roles. The line between what is necessary to create conversions and gain audience attention has changed, business profit margins are only increasing and unfortunately it's the working class and especially the arts that is suffering. A great example is if you'd ever had a look at what an inhouse private company (not a production company) video/ photo professionals position description looks like. It will often consist of being experienced and specialised in every facet of the production, along with the distribution and retention and to do so all alone, no outsourcing (because the budget isn't there) and no guidance from a superior because they have zero experience in video production.
With these restrictions and expectations in place you are left to be a 'content creator' and run and gun means to put in the minimum amount required to meet expectations but get the maximum outcome that would be expected from an entire team of professionals not so long ago. Not because you want to be putting in the minimum but because there is little to no room for finesse or experimentation. I pick equipment that I know will provide the least stress but still get to what my superiors are expecting. This means mostly zooms, 1 light, lav mics and instead leaning into experience to elevate the visuals and outcomes. There is no room to lean on other professionals or utilise their equipment (be it grip, elec etc) because they aren't there. You are producer, director, dp, editor, motion designer and social media expert rolled into one. Most of the time I'm operating the camera, monitoring audio, lighting and interviewing the subject at the same time while considering how the responses will turn out in the edit.
I really miss being able to bounce ideas off of other artists and work with passionate creatives that want to go above and beyond to create something special instead of needing to fill out the socials calendar for the week ahead.
Super helpful Joshua! Keep ‘em coming’! 👏🏼👏🏼👏🏼
Thanks! Will do!
The observations you made, the strong and weak points of the system would be very interesting.
Yeah I'm working on that video now
@@CineDailies Looking forward to that!
I know this is a off topic question, but there is any way to downgrade X-H2S firmware to 5.10 ? I have tried yesterday without success :(
So far no 😭
After watching both videos my big concern is the additional weight/stress on the lens. Not an issue for the Nisi's due to the robust PL mount and the fact you have the adapter locked down to your cage... My concern is more on the vintage lenses. I saw you calibrating some of those. My fear would be snapping the lens mount off as those were not designed to having anything more than a simple filter/hood combo attached.
Is there any way to carry the weight down to the 15mm rods?
For sure- I wouldn't use this rig on vintage lenses. And yeah of course - just use a baseplate with 15mm rods to move the motor to. Which is standard
Unrelated question, what mount do you use for your monitor to wooden camera top handle? I like how it’s not tall.
Viltrox Lenses are very sensitive to firmware changes. That's always been one of viltrox's weaknesses IMO.
Sure, here's the translation:
"I think you might not be aware of the disaster caused by the latest Fuji update for the X-H2S. Could you use your reach to let the company know about this issue? By the way, great content in this video. Thanks."
Hahahaha I plan on making a video soon about this
Could we please simply not use this term anymore? I've dispensed with it from my own filmmaking vocabulary. I find it antithetical to the entire filmmaking process. It implies that violence and aggression is coincident with my process. I don't want my creative process to be likened to a military operation. Language shapes behavior. Using the phrase contributes to and normalizes the everyday implicit, and sometimes explicit, violence we experience here in the USA. Improvisational filmmaking, spontaneous filmmaking, dynamic capture, on-the-fly filming, fluid motion, go with the flow, filming - these are a few of the phrases I've adopted. To me they're more descriptive and less violent. Thanks for listening.
I hear you
Welcome to the FW6.0!!! It's been making the rounds the last few weeks. Maybe you can get hold of Fuji cause it's been shown to be rather terrible now on the H2s
Dang, what's that massive softbox at 04:21? Great tips, btw. Thanks.
I believe its an umbrella
Watch my whats in my doc bag. I talk about it there
There is no problem with “run and gun” unless you are trying to put a round peg into a square hole. The more experience you have the more you know when and how to deploy your resources - and when you’re in over your head 😉
Told you bruhhh😭 Xh2s AF is broke now this is very shameful
Yep smh
Hi
I think you nailed the problematic...you do pro work in mostly controlled environment with pre rehearse planned worked
Good comparaison is you play in a music band whatever style and your prepare for the concert (the shooting Day)...and most of RUclipsrs are Jamsession guys which are a totally different world and and different mindsetup at work.
So the problem is the meaning of "run and gun" is a semantic problem and how people you interpret it imho.
For me you are more a classical,band player which rehearse for the gig and most of other are Jamsession guys doings wedding and live event...
They are also prepping but in a different way...
Personally I shoot mostly live event classical music concert so I am more of a hybrid between prod and run and gun, 8 of ten cameras are fixed prepared "must have" shots depending on the situation Solo,lead vocals ,drums etc and usually 2,3 are maned or PTZ which give you more dynamic movement...I rehearse some moves which could been used but it is more a live impro...
I am a pro musician in my Day (Night) Job😂😂😂
Great content you have in your channel and happy that not just Pana has AF C issues 😂😂😂
Pana fan boy here!!!
Finally OpenGate content
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@@CineDailies bro I have the huawei 3:2 screen at home. I’m watching your content like I’m watching Oppeinheime in IMAX theater
The firmware is simple BAD. I didn't upgrade and I am so lucky. 2024 and fuji firmware update give us a shit AF...it's a joke.
run and gun and nun! hahahahahaha
Lolol
@@CineDailies hahaha savage!
ITS CUZ YA BLACK!
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This man is human Fax Machine 📠
Facts on facts on facts
Mannnnn just trying to get through my long list of ideas ha