What life is like on board Royal Navy's compact but capable P2000s

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  • Опубликовано: 25 янв 2025

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  • @TheCrazyMoparDude68
    @TheCrazyMoparDude68 11 месяцев назад +108

    It would be nice to see a longer video on this ship that shows what it is capable of doing (what role it plays, how many sailors are usually on it) I am sure that many people in the UK know what it does, but those of us from different countries don’t.

    • @cwg73160
      @cwg73160 11 месяцев назад +6

      Or you could, you know, look it up on your own. Google’s your friend.

    • @mikeycraig8970
      @mikeycraig8970 11 месяцев назад +12

      I can tell you what it doesn't do, with actual certainty, it doesn't police its own shores, by stopping illegal invaders!

    • @Daz5Daz
      @Daz5Daz 11 месяцев назад +3

      It's a training ship used by Sussex University Royal Naval Unit. It is an unarmed vessel as are it's two sister ships.

    • @MountainMan7.62x39
      @MountainMan7.62x39 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@mikeycraig8970 HAHAHAHAhahahaha

    • @markrainford1219
      @markrainford1219 9 месяцев назад +1

      @@mikeycraig8970 Which is exactly what they were built for.

  • @roderickcharles81
    @roderickcharles81 11 месяцев назад +18

    Lovely to hear the words Coastal Forces again, that would have made my dear old dad's day.He was a member of the Coastal Forces Veterans Association, sadly he has long since " Crossed the bar.

  • @lucyross327
    @lucyross327 11 месяцев назад +50

    As an ex URNU member that was a lovely trip down memory lane. Good times.

    • @richardcook1987
      @richardcook1987 11 месяцев назад

      yeah I was on London UAS but the London URNU very kindly took a friend and me on a weekend trip from portsmouth to southampton and back. (on HMS puncher)
      Really great experience! learned a lot. All the URNU were seasick. We were hungover but no seasickness from us.
      can't believe they actually are sending these things to the arctic! wild.

  • @Albe3331
    @Albe3331 11 месяцев назад +24

    US Navy veteran here. I found your tour very informative. Thanks for the tag along.

    • @timsmith1125
      @timsmith1125 11 месяцев назад +7

      Another US Navy veteran here and also enjoyed the presentation. Smallest ship that I served on was a minesweeper (MSO) while in the Reserves. Although quite small compared to other ships, it was quite spacious compared to this ship. Best wishes for fair winds and following seas.

    • @Albe3331
      @Albe3331 11 месяцев назад +3

      @@timsmith1125 smallest ship for me was the Forrestal.

  • @shroomcloud1292
    @shroomcloud1292 11 месяцев назад +75

    Messdeck picture of Nelson on the bulkhead. Good job!

    • @dynamo1796
      @dynamo1796 11 месяцев назад +7

      Most of the Royal Navy's greatest commanders started out on small ships like this one - awesome formative experience for their crews!

    • @vipertwenty249
      @vipertwenty249 11 месяцев назад +6

      And Blackbeard's last fight with Maynard. You surely didn't miss that?

    • @UsuallyTrolling
      @UsuallyTrolling 11 месяцев назад +1

      alongside Admiral Beatty, a complete buffoon.

  • @darrensmith6999
    @darrensmith6999 11 месяцев назад +43

    We have a couple of these ships moored on the Tyne in Newcastle and i often wonder what they are like inside , more space than i imagined actually . Thank you Sir for the tour (:

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn 8 месяцев назад +1

      Tidy use of space inside. Not TARDIS like though, mate. ;)

  • @trob1731
    @trob1731 11 месяцев назад +5

    I served on USS Ranger, '84-'88. That is a neat little ship. Thanks for the tour.

  • @peenergysolutionslimited8903
    @peenergysolutionslimited8903 11 месяцев назад +10

    Great little boats, spent many a rough sea in one as an URNU. When they decom'd I might buy one!

  • @toontenacity
    @toontenacity 11 месяцев назад +2

    I served on P276 HMS Tenacity, Fishery Protection, loved it

  • @stephenwelch339
    @stephenwelch339 11 месяцев назад +9

    Wish you could do a longer tour of the P2000s and show the engine room ,plus ship's size ,weight ,draft etc.cheers Steve.

    • @juk-hw5lv
      @juk-hw5lv 11 месяцев назад +7

      Yeah, maybe they should show you the encryption modules and the sound characteristics too? Seriously, that's a military vehicle in active service and NATO is currently on its toes, they won't be keen to share sensitive data and show photos of those parts of the ship that are vital

    • @lukestewart3930
      @lukestewart3930 11 месяцев назад +2

      @@juk-hw5lvyet everything op asked for, except a tour of the engine room is on Wikipedia and there would be even more information in Jane’s…

    • @booty49
      @booty49 2 месяца назад

      hello Steve, I served on P2000s for i2 years, I have a lot of footage of the boats if you are interested, cheers Steve G>

  • @walboyfredo6025
    @walboyfredo6025 4 месяца назад +1

    Since the two Chief's happen to be the XO and the MEO, l take it the the Captain is the only Officer on board.

  • @chrisogle6569
    @chrisogle6569 11 месяцев назад +1

    She's very similar to smaller-sized US Coast Guard ships. I loved having the opportunity to operate with Her Majesty's Navy during my USCG time. Fair winds and following seas, HMS RANGER!

  • @williamrobinson7435
    @williamrobinson7435 11 месяцев назад +8

    V interesting! I suppose it must take a while to get used to not bumping ones head on a vessel like this!
    The nation is grateful to you people for your work. ♥️🇬🇧👍

  • @PhilCobProductions
    @PhilCobProductions 11 месяцев назад +17

    Would have liked to see the flying bridge too!

  • @AutieTortie
    @AutieTortie 11 месяцев назад

    "...and this table folds down and provides an extra bed as well..."
    Aw, how cute. My camper has the same feature. You Boy Scouts have some cute little ships there in Britain.

  • @EdMcF1
    @EdMcF1 11 месяцев назад +1

    Had a tour of Diesel sub HMS Otus as a cadet many years back, that is far more spacious and pleasant, but it's all relative.

  • @finneysimon
    @finneysimon 11 месяцев назад +6

    Also spotted the airfryer in the galley. Great bit of kit.

    • @richardcook1987
      @richardcook1987 11 месяцев назад

      looks like a ninja foodi dual zone.

    • @boejiden5933
      @boejiden5933 7 месяцев назад

      They have a slow cooker as well, or at least Express did

  • @djcfrompt
    @djcfrompt 11 месяцев назад +1

    Reminds me of the USCG's cutters. Had the pleasure to tour one once. Actually a bit bigger than this I think though - you could actually stand up. Must get to be quite close with your shipmates.

  • @lmaoroflcopter
    @lmaoroflcopter 11 месяцев назад +13

    Thats way bigger a ship on the inside than I gave it credit for.
    So 5 crew and 6 more personel berths too. That's a cracking little ship. Armament wise I'm presuming its gpmgs and rifles rather than anything built into the boat?

    • @michaelmulligan0
      @michaelmulligan0 11 месяцев назад

      @@Mariner108-np6ffalso says on Wiki complement is 12-18

    • @LoanwordEggcorn
      @LoanwordEggcorn 8 месяцев назад +1

      According to the Wikipedia page for P2000, they were designed for 20mm cannons but not fitted, and 12 of the 16 are unarmed. 4 have GPMGs.

  • @iceman7975
    @iceman7975 11 месяцев назад +5

    Hms Ranger and Hms Trumpeter were stationed here at Gibraltar for many years.

  • @wkuntjoro6130
    @wkuntjoro6130 11 месяцев назад +2

    Very nice tour on this wonderful ship.

  • @terencericketts8017
    @terencericketts8017 11 месяцев назад +3

    Thank you for sharing ⚓️ take care enjoy your seatime

  • @oml81mm
    @oml81mm 11 месяцев назад +3

    I remember Ranger from her time with HMS Caroline, and later the Gibraltar Squadron. From an ex Royal Irish Ranger

  • @Mat-eq8mk
    @Mat-eq8mk 11 месяцев назад +7

    That's enormous compared to what I expected.

    • @ukeyaoitrash2618
      @ukeyaoitrash2618 11 месяцев назад

      Well its over 20 meters long and there's 5 crew aboard so...

    • @Mat-eq8mk
      @Mat-eq8mk 11 месяцев назад

      @@ukeyaoitrash2618 you'll have to finish that sentence.

  • @MervynPartin
    @MervynPartin 11 месяцев назад +1

    I would also like to see a bit more of the vessel, including the machinery space and a bit of info on the ship's complement- who does what etc., including watchkeeping duties.
    It is quite small, and the whole accommodation would probably fit into my 2/E suite on my last couple of ships, LOL.

  • @hiigara2085
    @hiigara2085 11 месяцев назад

    😆 I love that air fryer. Really is a game changer

  • @LordDustinDeWynd
    @LordDustinDeWynd 11 месяцев назад +1

    Greetings and Salutations from Temple, Texas, USA!

  • @tomaszyeager6654
    @tomaszyeager6654 11 месяцев назад

    Retired USN officer here: first, I’d like to express our appreciation for repurposing the name of John Paul Jones first naval command and the first U.S. Navy ship to receive a gun salute recognizing our sovereignty in 1778 (also conducted probably the first U.S. raid on British territory at Whitehaven in April that year, but it didn’t accomplish much so we won’t dwell on it here). Second, any chance I can get recalled to duty as an exchange officer on one of those. It looks like quite a nice little ship.

  • @Temp0raryName
    @Temp0raryName 11 месяцев назад +3

    I feel for those in rough seas in the Artic in such a cosy ship!

    • @johnstarkie9948
      @johnstarkie9948 11 месяцев назад +1

      Arctic. As in ‘Arctic Ocean’.
      ‘Artic’ is an abbreviation for ‘articulated’, as in ‘articulated lorry’.

    • @Temp0raryName
      @Temp0raryName 11 месяцев назад

      @@johnstarkie9948 I know they are small, but I don't think they would fit in a lorry? Is that why you want them abbreviated?

  • @geraldnesbitt2123
    @geraldnesbitt2123 11 месяцев назад +1

    I was a msmber of the RNXS Belfast branch we had p170 Exploit

  • @adrianbanks2089
    @adrianbanks2089 11 месяцев назад +5

    A Great Vessel to Work on ! ( EX R,N ) 😊

  • @jamieward4083
    @jamieward4083 10 месяцев назад

    Throwback to some great times onboard with Sussex URNU💪

  • @jeremynorman1330
    @jeremynorman1330 11 месяцев назад +1

    Was on Example when she was ''XSV'' based in Lowestoft. Thanks for the tour.

    • @garrymathers9
      @garrymathers9 11 месяцев назад +1

      My dad was at Rosyth RNXS and they had Exploit

  • @bmxingsheep864
    @bmxingsheep864 11 месяцев назад +7

    Could you choose to get posted to one of these smaller boats or is it just whatever boat youre told youre going on

    • @abrahamdozer6273
      @abrahamdozer6273 11 месяцев назад +3

      I like small ships, myself. If I were RN and not Canadian and active, not retired, I'd love to be posted on one of these.
      Some people like submarines too.
      No accounting for taste.

  • @richardmarsden5610
    @richardmarsden5610 11 месяцев назад +2

    HMS Ranger, RN replacement for HMS Queen Elizabeth and Prince of Wales in Nato (PMC) exercises.

  • @DRNewcomb
    @DRNewcomb 11 месяцев назад

    I knew the former CO of the RN's one time smallest ship, HMS Gleaner. He said that this gave him the honor of sitting to the left side of HM the Queen at the banquet for all the RN ships' commanders.

  • @allythevan
    @allythevan 11 месяцев назад

    Clyde division HMS Graham in Glasgow had HMS smiter way back in the late 80s. Sailed on her once. I broke the top bunk in the jrs mess landed on top of a guy below.

  • @reginaldjohnson1917
    @reginaldjohnson1917 11 месяцев назад +9

    What about the engine room?

    • @AtheistOrphan
      @AtheistOrphan 11 месяцев назад

      The crew stick oars over the side and row it.

    • @t.wcharles2171
      @t.wcharles2171 11 месяцев назад +1

      ​@AtheistOrphan , they stick their feet out the back and paddle.

  • @samanthamaxwell7339
    @samanthamaxwell7339 11 месяцев назад

    Thank you for the insight. Loiks compact & cosy but i bet you have great teamwork on board!

  • @TheRealist2022
    @TheRealist2022 6 месяцев назад

    I served aboard Biter, P270. Great fun!

  • @vipertwenty249
    @vipertwenty249 11 месяцев назад

    Not a navy man myself but I can appreciate what you do - I have ex-navy friends including ex-submariners. That looks as cramped as a submarine without the benefit of being able to dive out of the weather - must get pretty bumpy at times! That head looks seriously difficult to keep clean around the base - doubtless that'd be my job!

  • @Oldladysgin
    @Oldladysgin 11 месяцев назад

    A great improvement on the Ley Class minehunter I served on. It was just as compact but the Heads were in the middle of the messdeck! I wonder if the new ones leak quite as much. I rarely had clothing that was wasn´t damp or mildewed.

  • @johnboothr1
    @johnboothr1 11 месяцев назад

    that haircut at the beginning! were they showing mad max associates around also 🤣🤣🤣

  • @AnthonySejda
    @AnthonySejda 11 месяцев назад

    Lt. Jacob is a good narrator on board, the accomodations are small, and these modules are for polar climate. I wonder how much the storage compartment, are there guns on board.

  • @waynesteffen3262
    @waynesteffen3262 11 месяцев назад

    “Cozy” seems to be a theme 😊.

  • @robleary3353
    @robleary3353 11 месяцев назад +1

    Built for purpose!. Good on you for doing the job you do! Nuff said!. 🙂

  • @phillipsuttles1926
    @phillipsuttles1926 11 месяцев назад

    Very nice tour

  • @B1900pilot
    @B1900pilot 11 месяцев назад +2

    Very nice ship!

  • @sputnikone6281
    @sputnikone6281 11 месяцев назад +6

    where are the turrets of the 16" gun battery? or do you have a taser as your only armament?

    • @lukeallison3713
      @lukeallison3713 11 месяцев назад +3

      A 16 inch gun turret weighs more than twice as much as one of these things

    • @sputnikone6281
      @sputnikone6281 11 месяцев назад

      @@lukeallison3713 of course it does, my post was satirical but does reflect the sad state of the RN in todays dangerous world. An unarmed patrol ship is a luxury that the UK cannot afford!

    • @robertwillis4061
      @robertwillis4061 11 месяцев назад +3

      ​@@sputnikone6281They aren't heavily armed, but they can call in Larger vessels or the RAF for any direct action. . Not designed for fire fights, just presence.

    • @sputnikone6281
      @sputnikone6281 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@robertwillis4061 a waste of money & manpower - armed patrol boats are needed not pleasure craft

    • @andreww2098
      @andreww2098 11 месяцев назад +1

      @@robertwillis4061 it's main job is fishery protection, not going to need a lot of firepower for that, most modern trawlers are unarmed!

  • @fastfreddy19641
    @fastfreddy19641 11 месяцев назад +5

    Nice airfryer

  • @christopherwilson3575
    @christopherwilson3575 4 месяца назад

    Lt Mikurenda, I'd reconsider keeping that deep fryer in the galley

  • @itsmegareth9663
    @itsmegareth9663 11 месяцев назад +2

    How many migrates can you fit on?

  • @leetshots
    @leetshots 11 месяцев назад +2

    its comforting to hear we have at least one ship that can make it out of port

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 11 месяцев назад

      And here in the US it’s weird to see any navy ships in port, currently have 3 carriers in Newport, which is pretty much unheard of.

  • @fregzilla9414
    @fregzilla9414 2 месяца назад

    can you do a video on a rookie first on a ship. I want to join the navy but worried about sea sickness

  • @uisguexjack
    @uisguexjack 11 месяцев назад

    Very nice boat... Cheers!

  • @Kesk1978
    @Kesk1978 11 месяцев назад

    Saw 2 of these badboys, visting Esbjerg Denmark yesterday. Must be a pretty rough crossing! 😅

  • @landrecce
    @landrecce 11 месяцев назад

    I love that thing!! I want one!!

  • @kristiangoransson6104
    @kristiangoransson6104 11 месяцев назад

    Surprisingly many heads on such a small vessel

  • @tamharkins6280
    @tamharkins6280 11 месяцев назад +2

    1st Command Platform for baby matelot ruperts, never mind the task in hand! 😂

    • @RogersRamblings
      @RogersRamblings 11 месяцев назад +1

      Note he said he's got two Chief POs to keep the officers on the straight and narrow. 🤣🤣

    • @rapido2963
      @rapido2963 11 месяцев назад

      Why sneer?

    • @RogersRamblings
      @RogersRamblings 11 месяцев назад

      @@rapido2963 It's called "Service humour". Anyone who has served will understand.
      For the unenlightened, junior officers are regarded as inept, whatever the truth, and therefore subject to mickeytaking from those with longer service.

  • @dcpack
    @dcpack 11 месяцев назад +1

    I noticed one of the heads had illustrated instruction on how to wash your hands.

  • @ronaldgulliver6636
    @ronaldgulliver6636 11 месяцев назад

    we have them in milford haven some times in the docks ,wonder what there had on board

  • @opshortonmetaldetecting
    @opshortonmetaldetecting 11 месяцев назад +2

    Old ships as an RN Gunner when it first went to Belfast in 1988 for the RNR alongside HMS Caroline & HMS Helford great times 😊

  • @philgreen815
    @philgreen815 11 месяцев назад

    Does the ship have any defence capability ? Radar, firearms ?

  • @darthkek1953
    @darthkek1953 11 месяцев назад

    Well this fella looks fighting fit.

  • @jacobhillenbrand1017
    @jacobhillenbrand1017 11 месяцев назад

    Is the M/V HMS Arrow still in service or has it been deleted?

  • @booly5
    @booly5 11 месяцев назад

    whaat a great looking ship shes a ship that small but right dangerous

  • @288theabe
    @288theabe 11 месяцев назад

    With a galley that small, how long can this class of ship deploy for? A couple of days?

  • @mikegnau3803
    @mikegnau3803 11 месяцев назад

    More please

  • @alalder1533
    @alalder1533 11 месяцев назад +5

    Pleased to see pictures our naval heroes displayed!

  • @johnsails5436
    @johnsails5436 11 месяцев назад

    Why do I feel like this would be advertised as a lovely cosy flat in London

  • @milesdee1806
    @milesdee1806 11 месяцев назад

    Rather compact yet looks laid out as highly efficient. Is it possible to share what a total crew count would be?

  • @edwardmclaughlin7935
    @edwardmclaughlin7935 5 дней назад

    "Embarked personnel"?
    And what about the crew?

  • @josephinebennington7247
    @josephinebennington7247 11 месяцев назад

    Compact video, n‘all!

  • @TheCaptainSplatter
    @TheCaptainSplatter 11 месяцев назад

    Sounds like something useful for the coast guard or rivers

  • @heatpump8566
    @heatpump8566 11 месяцев назад +2

    Would be great to see cameras on her for a trip?

  • @FlyWithMe_666
    @FlyWithMe_666 11 месяцев назад

    Why didn’t they show the planes and hangar? Or is it a submarine? I don’t know much about tanks, sorry.

  • @thingstodoinguernseychannel
    @thingstodoinguernseychannel 11 месяцев назад

    I like the way he says driving the ship but everyone knows you don't drive the ship. You stare a ship and you drive a car and ride a motorbike. 😂

  • @mas2491
    @mas2491 11 месяцев назад +1

    Good Luck 🇱🇰 👍

  • @randlerobbertson8792
    @randlerobbertson8792 11 месяцев назад

    Impressive ship, another dozen or so would not go amiss and shoulder launched manpad capable and or Martlet mounted and of course, a GP machine gun.

  • @herbertjohnston4608
    @herbertjohnston4608 11 месяцев назад +1

    That would be the ship for me.🇬🇧👍👌

  • @nearestyoutube
    @nearestyoutube 11 месяцев назад +1

    Ship or boat?
    Driving or steering/piloting?

    • @KingdaToro
      @KingdaToro 11 месяцев назад

      Ship vs Boat is determined by how it leans while turning. If it leans inward, it's a boat. If it leans outward, it's a ship.

  • @grezjoseph6257
    @grezjoseph6257 11 месяцев назад

    What weapons does it have.

  • @fredbloggsreturns9200
    @fredbloggsreturns9200 11 месяцев назад +1

    Looks like border agency taxi service are going to inherit some cosy taxis

    • @andrewpease3688
      @andrewpease3688 11 месяцев назад

      RN has declared itself too posh to patrol UK waters

  • @heartofoak45
    @heartofoak45 11 месяцев назад +2

    Perhaps another video on the ship's capability. Whilst the captain was explaining of various places doubling up for other uses, I am reminded that even Vice Admiral Nelson's day cabin became a battle station etc, although a little more capacious than Ranger not to mention his fine furniture that wouldn't go amiss on 'Antiques Roadshow' I am currently reading a most interesting book 'Nelson's Captains' by the late Ludovic Kennedy. Keep up the hard work, Captain, one day they may give you your own frigate to play with. God Bless you and your crew.

  • @robinwhitebeam3955
    @robinwhitebeam3955 11 месяцев назад

    Cosy! Where are the Christmas decoration mountings?

  • @uzziel2005
    @uzziel2005 11 месяцев назад

    Was that an airfryer? Was he the first person on the planet not to mention owning one?

  • @ianscott3180
    @ianscott3180 11 месяцев назад +2

    As an amateur sailor I would have liked a bit more technical detail. Power, speed, range ect. Interesting never the less.

    • @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606
      @loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 11 месяцев назад

      Speed is 25 knots
      Range 550 nmi
      2 shaft Cat C18 Acert Diesel engines
      54T displacement
      Length 20.8m or 68’3ft
      Operation crew capacity is 12 with accommodations for 18 total
      Armament is 3 GPMG machine guns with a fitting for a 20mm auto cannon.
      Not sure of power output, it seems they are geared more for torque/power than for speed as the ships could theoretically hit 45 knots

    • @garyyoung3179
      @garyyoung3179 5 месяцев назад

      @@loganbaileysfunwithtrains606 The engines certainly used to have governers fitted to limit the available rpm.

  • @scotthendry6298
    @scotthendry6298 11 месяцев назад +1

    It would be nice if they would patrol the channel???

  • @bz4750
    @bz4750 11 месяцев назад

    What is the role of this ship please?

  • @Richard-pe4cx
    @Richard-pe4cx 11 месяцев назад

    i was hoping to see the engine room

  • @vintagethrifter2114
    @vintagethrifter2114 11 месяцев назад

    The ship was as about as small as you can get and still have a name.

  • @christophergregory2839
    @christophergregory2839 11 месяцев назад

    I want a decommissioned one for trips to catilina island

  • @NoahSpurrier
    @NoahSpurrier 11 месяцев назад

    What is the typical crew count?

  • @johnmarkey4862
    @johnmarkey4862 11 месяцев назад

    How many crew!

  • @KarlWheeler-d3q
    @KarlWheeler-d3q 11 месяцев назад

    Not being military, is she classed as a warship ? i'd expected a coastal patrol vessel to have some kind of fixed fore and aft gun emplacement ( LMG or something with a bit more punch like dual 50's )

    • @trooperdgb9722
      @trooperdgb9722 11 месяцев назад +1

      Absolutely classed as a Warship. White Ensign and HMS designation confirm that. It may seem counter intuitive but even Navy Survey vessels (In the RAN painted white) are technically "Warships". As a young Midshipman I spent time on two of the RAN's old (tiny) "General Purpose Vessels" (GPV's) HMAS BASS and HMAS BANKS... It was hilarious hearing Port control call us up as "Warship Bass"...but quite correct! They were indeed Commissioned vessels of the RAN. We were fitted FOR (but not with) 2 x M2 Browning HMG's... Some of these Archer Class P2000's similarly are fitted FOR (but not with) a 20mm Oerlikon on the Focs'le Several are used to escort Nuclear Submaries from and to base, and those ARE armed with 3 pintle mounted MG's...

  • @ConstableGrey
    @ConstableGrey 11 месяцев назад

    The cameraman pans in the opposite direction every time he points to something off screen!

  • @paulgibbons2320
    @paulgibbons2320 11 месяцев назад

    Similar to a Trent class life boat. Visually anyway.

  • @chethemerc7841
    @chethemerc7841 11 месяцев назад +1

    Where do the tomahawks go?

  • @rob20452
    @rob20452 11 месяцев назад

    How nice

  • @robertyboberty7495
    @robertyboberty7495 11 месяцев назад

    Well, if I only had my time again, I know what I’d be doing