Everybody is talking about who was evil, who was right and who was wrong.. and I'm just sitting here thinking: woah... Those are some weird clothes Tatsumi is wearing...
The only truly 'good' Shiki was the nurse. She never killed anyone and starved herself to save her friend. In the end, she was murdered anyway, which shows how life is unfair in some regards.
The others only killed for the sake of survival, just like what the humans were doing. Are lions and tigers 'bad' for killing zebra for food rather than starving?
No I don't think they were bad to kill for survival, that's why I put inverted commas around the _good_. This show does a fantastic job of making you question morals, though.
Stephanie Smith Oh I see. Many people claim that the Shiki are evil or the humans are evil when it's neither. The way they made to where neither side is completley in the wrong is what I like so much about it.
omniXenderman I didn't like Megumi but her death was rather harsh. Though I knda wanted to see Kaori kill her. But ys I wish more characters that liked survived. Like Tatsumi, Tohru, Ritsuko, Natsuono Nao ect.
And that's the biggest crime that any of the Shiki could've committed... It's worse than their campaign of mass of genocide... *Not being sarcastic at all*
@@ltraltier6009That's sort of a testament to how good the voice actress is. She's also in Gosick as Victorique de Blois and I've seen a couple of her roles in summer and autumn 2024 anime. As for the Madoka similarity, this video does sort of make her sound a bit similar for a few seconds. Especially when talking about Ozaki.
Just throwing my two cents out there: I think the humans were justified in killing the Shiki because it was for survival, I think the Shiki are justified in attacking humans because it is for survival, the only people not justified are specifically Sukano, and the other Shiki that moved to the village, because they attacked people not out of necessity but selfishness. In the end I think all the villagers were victims of the original Shiki that moved to the village, sukano and the Shiki that moved to the village are the villains and no one else. I get frustrated seeing people lump all the Shiki together when there is clearly a distinct difference between those who kill to live and those who kill out of selfishness
i agree, the villagers were the victims. The shiki drove them to insanity and survival. The villagers may have been too violent and paranoid but like i said, who drove them to be like that in the first place???? exactly. I wish every mf who caused all of this mess died before they started the greatest tragedy.
Sukano had her reason. It was her intention to turn this village into the only safe haven for the Shiki, where they can live free among each other without having to hide, to be scared. To do that they had to make a substaintial amount of Shiki by killing the villagers to take over the village, after that they could go outside to feed just enough without having to kill anyone. Then their society would become a sustainable and free one. It was a life running and hiding for hundred of years, being rejected and chased, that drived her to that decision, as her words implied "Chizuru... it must have hurt... to be hated, to be rejected." From her perspective, it's totally understandable.
Neither the shiki nor the humans were necessarily doing "evil", because both sides were struggling to survive. To begin with, the shiki didn't become what they are of their own will, and if I remember correctly, Sunako says somewhere in the anime that no one wants to be such a creature, and to not have to feed off of humans would be much better. I agree that the shiki brought this upon themselves, but then again, it's for survival, just like how the humans fought to save themselves. This is not like attack on titan, where the titans ate humans for the pleasure of it. I believe that both sides were just trying to survive, just like anyone would want to do
+momo_fishcake Yeah wipeing out a entire forest is evil oh wait we are doing so to feed the growing human population, nevermind. See the logic? I don't know why you would post in a thread arguing against being so biased when you recognize how biased you are and do nothing to lessen the bias I your post.
I expected her to say "Chizuru, it must have hurt ...", meaning the physical pain. "to be hated, to be rejected" ... emotionally meant. When she said that, I could understand the Shiki more and more...it made me so sad
both sides were evil and good at the same time. the shikis were gone on a full killing rampage mostly for turning the village and less for hunger. The humans became way too brutal and feelingless in the shiki purge, when they could have simply killed them quickly.
Are you kidding me... The villagers were minding their business until a couple of Shiki showed up and began murdering the population. They are parasitic in nature since Humans are their only food source. The humans cannot be judged for their measures of killing the Shiki. They killed them as fast as a wooden stake and hammer could go. When they ran out, they resorted to the sun. In general, the humans are not at fault for defending themselves.
+Chucking Reaper i see your point, but, for example, killing people who were innocents (the folks from the temple and other people) wasn't justified with self-defense... i think tgey got mad at the end
The core idea of survival isn't selfish. But when it comes to surviving or doing the right choice, this bitch Sunako clearly was self centered and selfish. I don't see Ritsuko eating her friend even though she was starving to death. She saw with clear eyes and cried about rising. To drink blood was a curse and hurt those around her goes against everything she stood for. Would you bite your friends and families and curse them to the same existence? Would you risk them dying if they didn't rise? Sunako played on the shiki's feelings and brought grief and destruction. The world would have been truly better without her. She caused hundreds of death throughout the years and Seishin should have burned with her. He was a hypocritical pathetic monk that saved no one besides a mass murderer. Oh and he killed someone but then rolled his eyes at his friends who had to sacrifice everything to save the village. He was a coward who ran away from his role and from those who trusted him. They're both selfish and can rot for all I care.
Centrist 922 Learn to read. Ritsuko needed to kill her coworker to survive. Did she do it? NO. She chose to die. Look at Natsuno. He turned into a werewolf but he put himself in danger and chose to fight with everything he had to get rid of the shiki because he could see how wrong their existence was. Did he choose survival? NO. He didn't even let himself drink blood. The whole presentation of the anime was whether you choose yourself and your wishes, or that of the world. Nao failed by killing off her entire family because she was lonely. Sunako failed because with her BS plan they would have eventually ran out of blood and killed off the entire planet or get themselves wiped out anyways when the epidemic gets out of control. Her justification would have gotten her slapped in the face by all those who chose death to protect their loved ones and family. This is not white or black it's picking the right choice no matter how hard the decision is. When dr. Ozaki had to experiment on his wife, many would think that's evil but he's doing it to save the people of his village no matter how hard it is for him. That's literal grey, moron. By the way if I had to choose between surviving or wiping out the entire planet, I wouldn't be picking the latter.
Survival IS selfish if it's at the expense of other people. That is indisputable. It is by the definition of selfish. What you mean to say, is that being selfish is not always wrong.
Seeing Sunako care about her fellow Shiki and staying in order to protect them combined with her grief over Chizuru's death is part of why I like her despite the fact that I feel that she shouldn't have come to the village and start turning people into Shiki. If I were a Shiki, I'd gladly follow her and regard her as an angel that just happens to walk in darkness through no fault of her own.
I actually didn't find this sad I wished death to all of them, Seishin is the biggest traitor in the history of traitors. Why would Sunako be a misunderstood character, she is self-centered, you know someone who kills innocent people over 100+ years just so their "precious" life doesn't fade is something you'd call self-centered. To me the saddest thing about this anime was the fact that everyone had a normal life in the village, they were normal people, in a nice small village, and then you see how they kill each others without any 2nd thought, both the vampires and humans were bad people, although the humans had a much better motive for killing.
Tasorius At least I can differentiate good from bad, what the hell is sad on that? I should feel empathy for a MONSTER that killed countless humans that destroyed countless villages like this, over freaking 100+ years, and yet the only thing that she fears at the end is her life, YOU'VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME MAN! The only sad thing about her is the fact that she is still alive and has probably another village to destroy with Seishin. And well yeah people are different, you can't call someone a sociopath just because he doesn't feel like you, it's almost like calling someone a sociopath because he doesn't love the same person as you, I for myself think it's more sad that there are people in the world that are being killed for nothing, instead of a crying 100+ aged killer vampire, period!
Epsilon Only a sociopath can watch that anime and completely side with the humans, and think that the humans are "good". Vampirism is an illness. The one you should blame is the one who started the chain, those who keep following it are all victims. The humans who died at the beginning of the anime were victims too, but not the humans who were left at the end. The doctor tortured his wife to death and the bearded bastard enjoyed killing. The others sang as they killed the shiki in much more horrible ways than the shiki killed the humans. Some of them killed the humans killed a specific shiki because they did not like him as a human. All of that revealed their true nature. If you cannot see that, you are messed up and lack the empathy a human being should have.
Tasorius There's no point arguing with you, you still need to grow up a little bit. Just going to quote Natsuno.... "Your kind started all of this." The shiki wanted it, they got what they deserve.
Sounds like you're saying they are in a relationship. A man on his 30's maybe, with a 12 years old (Physically) and they're dating. He must be a loli lover, then.
While there are definitely shiki I feel deserve some mercy, I also can't deny that the shiki were being killed because they started this whole thing. The humans were just fine until they showed up and began killing them all. I use Nao as my example, because she's one of the only couple of shiki I actually feel sorry for, and my favorite charecter in the anime. As I said, I do feel sorry for her, and I would have probably let her live if she begged me for her life, but I also know that she deserved what she got for killing her entire family. The shiki started the whole thing, and when the humans began to fight back, they didn't want to play anymore... Some shiki I would let go, but overall, I would have to side with the humans. I'm sorry shiki, I know you just wanted to live, but you all got what you deserved...
Ah yes, that is a good point. You're right, she didn't really deserve that, but it was necessary. Just for a minute, let's put ourselves in Dr. Ozaki's shoes. The entire village was being killed by what she had become. I understand he probably could have experimented with any other shiki, and I know I would never have the balls to do what he did. However, the village was running out of time, and if he didn't find out how to take care of the shiki then and there, he'd risk maybe a couple of days the shiki would have to kill them all. Again, you are correct that she didn't deserve that, but it was the only way they could learn how to survive.
DarkPurpleDude Right? I think a LOT of people don't understand that it's the instint to live that drove him to do that. He THINKS he's doing the right thing just like how the Shiki THINK they're doing the wrong thing. At the end of the day it just shows that the will to live is very strong. For any being.
iBeFloe thinking you are doing something that is right does not make it wrong also the shiki know they are doing something wrong but if they don't their families are murdered
darkness6110 Well 6110, after thinking about it for quite some time, and discussing the matter with some other people on this website, I finally realize I don't know who to side with. Reason tells me that the shiki had already died, so they no longer have the right to live, but my emotions tell me that the shiki are still living beings like you and me. My reason and emotions completely contradict each other, making it hard for me to come up with a decision. The only thing I do know from all this is my belief that it would have been better if the shiki never existed in the first place. Sunako wouldn't have to kill all of those people, Nao would still be there with her family, and in the point you first brought up, Ozaki's wife wouldn't have to have gotten that stake in her chest.
I honestly don't think a village of Shiki would have lasted in the long run; too many predators grouped together, not enough food in the area, and people would start to notice the disappearances. The village would have been discovered eventually and the Shiki would have been exposed. Tatsumi revealed (at least in the manga) that he didn't think the village would have lasted. An ecosystem must never have higher numbers of predators than prey or it all falls into chaos, which is what he wanted.
There was no light and dark side, no good or bad, only grey. It all depended on who you sympathized with more. The Shiki did what they did to survive and so did the humans. What’s interesting however, is that in the end only one side actually enjoyed and killed for fun and cruelly and that was the humans. The shiki never enjoyed killing, they wanted everyone they fed from to possibly live.
I thought about this and this is how I'd try to maintain my moral compass if I became a Shiki. The biggest problem would be finding comrades/friends and feeding without losing your conscience. I wouldn't starve like Ritsuko - that is practically impossible because you need blood for survival. So the ideas I came up with are: I'd feed on people who DESPERATELY want to extend their lifespans somehow - people suffering from terminal illnesses, etc who want to live longer to be with their families or take care of unfinished business. Of course, this would be consensual. And they may not have a chance to rise, so it has to be explained to them. Another method of feeding I'd rather enjoy is killing people who torment others - like thugs or criminals-people with no remorse who continue to live as parasites to society. Now this may quickly develop into a Death Note situation so you'll have to have control over your rage and impulses. As cruel as it is, some people only know how to live by robbing others of happiness and their victims will have to go through hell to get justice, if that's even possible. Humans can't live on without feeling sinful or guilty if they kill their tormentors, but Shiki can; since that's how they thrive. If I wanted friends, I'd try to establish relationships with pre-existing Shiki or those whom I consensually created. Then make our own "village" so that our kind can live supporting each other, instead of robbing human settlements.
Piss off with the moralism, dude... Even if I was someone that was somewhat neutral towards both humans and Shiki but also became pro-human in a sense that I thought they were righteously defending themselves from a bunch of hostile invaders in my childhood and maybe early teenager years, I am now beyond humanity's any *superior* argument as humanity has all the resources, nations and militaries and Shiki family we have seen throughout the series DEFINITELY had nothing that could be called or even imagined as anywhere nearly and relatively "superior" compared to all the things that humanity has under their arsenal, which includes most of the world and that alone would become a great DISADVANTAGE for the both races of Shiki and Jinro alike... Especially accurate when you think about it from the side of original Shiki family that moved into Sotoba and realize that they cannot escape or tactically fall-back into anywhere during the *what-if* scenarios which where chasing or soughting a co-existence on the table with a unfairly superior race that is humanity, if misunderstandings became huger and grew out of their control and it resulted in a full-fledged war no matter what or they had to escape due to other reasons which I do not think I have to name or break it down to you based on what I mentioned in this essay-like paragraph, after all.
Does everyone forget the shiki can't survive without blood. Sunako wasn't turned into a shiki of her own will she had no choice in the matter. At that age yea I wouldn't want to kill myself because some monster came out of nowhere and turned me into something I'm not. I agree she didn't need to come into their village and start turning random people into shiki, but they weren't exactly turned of their own will either. Both sides are fighting for survival ( some more brutal than others ), but when you think about it they're fighting for the same thing. Despite your opinion I do feel sorry for the shiki, and even worse for the humans because they became the very thing they were fighting against. Monsters
They started this and even if they needed blood, it did not give them the right to kill or turn others into shiki as well. As they dined, the villagers were in grief. They didn't do anything to them till the truth came out. That enraged the villagers especially after the fact that all this time, they were the cause of so many deaths.
I have to feel sorry for the shiki not to forget that there "urge" is equivalent to our urge to breathe, you just cant stop. also they hoped for their victims to rise. i see the line of guilt and innocence being blured in this series.
This is a sad moment but I think the 2 saddest moments were Tohru crying as he devoured Natsuno and the scene where Sunako and Seishin were in the basement and Sunako was crying saying that the only reason she did the things she did was because she didn't want to die. She really is a misunderstood character.
Personally, I always thought that the saddest moment in the anime was the last 8 minutes of episode 20.5. I don't know why I feel so sorry for Nao, since she murdered her in laws, along with her son and husband. Perhaps it's because she just wanted to be with her family, and now will never be able to, in this life or the next. Maybe it's because of how much she regrets killing her family. Either way, Nao was probably the only reason I started feeling for the shiki at all. If it wasn't for her, I most likely wouldn't care.
Oh yeah Nao's death an despair was up there to. It mentally disturbed me watching them tied up and being exposed to the sunlight. I also felt really bad for Ozaki, Sunako and Tohru.
Yeah. It saddens me that any shiki I felt bad for ended up dying (well, Sunako didn't die, though I'm not 100% sure if I feel bad for her yet). Some shiki I don't care about, like Masao (in fact, I hated him), but it's shiki like Nao and Tohru that I think need a hug.
I hated Megumi worse than Masao but yes, Nao, Tohru and Natsuno should have survived. I'm glad Sunako and Seishin did at least. Sunako was just like the others. She didn't like having to kill but she had to in order to survive. She probably didn't show as much reluctants and grief at that point because she's been a Shiki for 80 years and accepting the fact and not wallowing in self hatred for living is something she managed to due though towards the end she expressed her sadness.
Misaka Imouto For Sunako, I'm still weighing the scales on whether I feel for her or not. Seishin is my 2nd favorite character, my 1st being Nao. With him able to be with the shiki as a human, I wondered if coexistence could have been an option. Natsuno literally wanted to die and blew himself up, so I don't really feel for him. At least he got what he wanted (well, some of it, but he also wanted all the shiki dead, so...) Don't get me wrong, Megumi deserves to rot in Hell, but character wise, she was ok, which is the only thing that keeps me from completely hating her. I was kinda surprised that anyone could hate a character more than Masao. I just wanted to rip him in half. He's a little whiney baby that gets a kick out of trying to make others feel bad. Tohru and Nao, if I ever saw them crying because of what they did, I'd go up and hug them... well, maybe I'd ask them to not bite my neck first, I would prefer if I could stay alive as a human.
humans are the worst of the series in my opinion. im not answering anyone who says that humans aren't the worst. cause the humans are the worst in the series
I must say, you got me there. I suppose that the villagers got caught up in the moment of anger, revenge, superstitious, and all sorts of negative emotions to have thought it through. But They were ignorant. I don't think they were too aware of the strategic force behind the shikis. Viewers are able to judge the humans so harshly because we've been exposed to the human side of shikis. I see a lot of people say "I use to hate the shikis but i felt sorry for them after they got hunted"
Unfortunately Sunako and her gang got greedy. They didn't just want blood but the entire town as well and the people as food. You wanna be someone else's dinner?! Think about it. How long do you think her mother would last and how do you she would last? In that episode, one shiki even killed his granddaughter and grandson! That is truly monstrous!
Always coming back to this makes me remember how much I hate her. She's one of those characters who are "I have a sad past, please feel sorry for me, please, please, even though I've done so many things that are wrong, it's because I have a sad past"
@@DarkAdonisVyers She did everything wrong lmao I don't think what she did haphazard is gonna do shit, since what she did was HER GOALS. It wasn't a lack of plan, since that was her true plan. To take over a village and create a safe space of shikis that they can take control of If that's the case, then the humans did nothing wrong. But I'm 100% sure the reason why people despise what the humans did because unlike the Shiki, they did everything smoothly, while humans did it bloodily. Both still stupid, but I hate the shiki's actions more.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Well...remove the killing aside since she is a vampire so maybe it wouldn't be avoided. Let's start with the fact that instead of building a new town somwehre, she decided to take over a human town (obviously she also had plenty of spite inside her due to her past so she wanted to remove humans like humans tried to remove her), she was willing to sacrfice many lives (since not all humans rise as vampires) She manipulated people to kill either family members (with the hope they would live together forever) or people they hated (to take revenge) and she even used her own grey morals to manipulate other people to kill with less remorse (which could still be "sweet" in an essence she didn't want people around her to feel bad but still...a bit messed up...) Last but not least, she never truly recognized what she did was wrong. She initially shifted the blame to her hunger, then to her need for a place to belong and finally to god for not stopping her. In modern day world she could do so much with her wealth and experience but she chose mayhem. Of course one can understand where she comes from but still...her methods are not exactly the best to say the very least
It feels really sad to hear that from you. At first I though you were more than that but I guess I was just wrong. There is nothing more for us to talk about, so goodbye.
Agreed. Ozaki didn't want to torture his wife but she is now shiki and will be a threat to others, thus he had to find out how to fight and kill them and sadly his wife was the only available one there. Even if the village burned down, they can rebuild it and hopefully their lives as well.
No, most of the residents died and the ENTIRE AREA burned down there is no rebuilding it. And they brought that upon themselves by going mad and giving into mass hysteria
Actually, it's implied that Shiki don't need to drain their victims dry in order to feed, but from what it seems, becoming a Shiki seems to affect your inhibitions in some way. It MIGHT be possible, but Sanuko handled so poorly, it's no wonder it fell apart.
"responsible for protecting the whole village?" As a resident of the village, and maybe as a human being in general maybe? I hated him for that too, but he had to do it, the least he could have done is apologized so she wouldn't be so clueless.
The good shikis just looked the other way and nevertheless participated in the killing of even children. The good shiki was Ritsuko because she refused to kill even as her best friend was thrown to her for food. She became a nurse to help people not to kill them. She never forgot that even as a shikis. Shikis were taught to kill by Tatsumi who enjoyed torturing others. Nao killed even her sister-in-law and her family out of jealousy.
Tell that to humanity as a whole that has been doing that to itself since the beginning of time. Making what the vampires did seem like a trivial matter that's hardly worth mentioning.
The shikis were the ones who started this mess. Killing people night after night. If that wasn't enough they planned to take over the village and make slaves out of them. That really was the last straw and that's why the humans went ballistic in killing them.
If anything the deaths of the shiki should be advocated, that must be a really horrible exsistance to depend on the death of people just to stay alive.
Nah I've never felt sad for her, ofc I understand her but she was the VILLAIN It's like if I'd have leprosy and I would have been banished by my people, I'd feel so alone, sad and angry that I would start infecting everyone in order to they be able of understand me and not feeling sad and alone anymore. What kind of logic is that? SUFFER LIKE ME TO UNDERSTAND ME that's so egoistic. I mean, she knew how terrible was to be a shiki and what she does? Yes transform people into shiki (and crossfingers bc some of them didn't came back to life) And that's exactly why Natsuno claimed, "YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE", yeah bc she pushed all the new shikis to become assassins. And that's why I loved the nurse character she was so strong and even when she was so hungry she didn't try anything, and tried to save her friend instead. In the end, Sunako is not a misunderstood character she is a villain that doesn't want to recognize what she is, and the same goes to the monk. 2 hypocrites that deserved "a Berserk death"
Same here. Even if the village burned down, the villagers will rebuild it. If they were strong enough to get rid of the shiki, they are strong enough to build what was destroyed. My favorite character was Sadafumi because he led the fight in the pipeline.
+Waranger5 Oh. I wonder what a hybrid of all three would be like. What would they feed on? What would be their name? What would be their weaknesses? Could you kill them? If so, what would it take to kill them? Would they have any type of supernatural abilities? Would they survive the purge in the village? So many questions!
+Waranger5 Maybe, Coz they're a hybrid of 3 different creatures, they would have three "lives". And, in order to kill them the first time, you had to shoot them specifically in the center of the forehead with a singular silver bullet blessed by a holy priest. Then, in order to end their second life, you had to stab them with a wooden stake, LEAVE THE STAKE IN THEM, then slice off their head, and limbs, and burn them with fire created from specifically golfer wood (IN THAT EXACT ORDER WITH THOSE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS). And finally, in order to end their 3rd life, after they have resurrected from their 2nd life, all you have to do is behead them. But, killing a hybrid and ending either of their lives would be very difficult, since their flesh, organs, and muscles have hyper elasticity, and every bone in their body was 10x harder than diamond. Let's also make their bones be completely hollow and light, enabling the hybrids to move quickly and nimbly. And they will have accelerated healing.
To put this in an idea that I can comprehend I tend to compare it to scenarios from WWII, you feel sorry for the Russians during that start because of what the Germans are inflicting upon them, but then the spectrum gets flipped and you start feeling sorry for the Germans because the Russians are doing much worse things, but then you take a step back and see that if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing, this wouldn't have happened, this scenario can be applied to this show here.
Newell Joseph Germany didn't start everything, it all started with the assassination of archduke Ferdinand. The two situations are not comparable, and also filled with propaganda.
I was talking about the actions of Nazi Germany and there involvement during WWII I was not stating historical facts, I was making a comparison to the actions during the war as compared to the actions in the series. Read my statement more carefully and you'll see that I'm only talking about the Germans fighting the Russians during World War II not the whole genesis of historical events.
NeonNuki He was referring to the German/Soviet conflict the second World War, not the start of WWI. I think it's a decent analogy. Of course the situations don't line-up perfectly, but it highlights the main conflict. The Germans struck the USSR first, and the Soviet soldiers committed a number of atrocities in formerly occupied German territories.
It's only natural that both sides would try to survive. It's nature of course but I still say the vampires had it coming more. They both murdered but who started it? The shiki. They'll get no sympathy for me.
In shiki there is no thing like purely good or purely evil. Not even Megumi was absolutely evil. An annoying, bad mouthed, spoiled, egocentric nuisance of a brat yes. But not absolutely evil
Lmao she even isnt like that, the anime just made her that way because they needed actually entertaining characters and the only way to do that was to make her bitchy
The Shiki chose to kill humans in order to create more Shiki, Tooru proved they don't need to when he fed on Natsuno without killing him The Shiki were evil
Is just an anime show, not real life. I am glad that REAL Vampires are not real (SO FAR, APPARENTLY)for they could add even more brutality to our already violent human world.
" visiting them constantly" Well yeah, a bitch has got to eat. "she had just risen" I don't know how accurate that is, but I'll concede. "The spread is not usually exponential." That brings up a good point.
OK, now I'm really confused. Should we feel sorry for the shiki who are being brutally killed by the humans, or cheer for the humans fighting for survival? I was pro-shiki, but now that girl seemed psychotic. "This village is almost dead." Who the hell says that?!
Watch the first part of anime. When those fuckers are acting so smug, when they're slowly invading and felling "oh so superior". And then watch again them crying and pleading for mercy when suddelny odds are against them. I had no problem with chosing sides.
Tasorius Not really, this anime really wasnt black and white. At the start of it vampires seemed to be evil creatures but as the story progressed we find out that the humans are as bad if not worse than the vampires. This is one of the most grey animes that I have seen, an aspect that I definetly enjoyed.
Tasorius No. The humans were just mad because you know. The vampires did kill half of their loved ones and then planned on killing them next. Not saying the humans were in the right though. This anime just showed what had to be done for survival. Vampires drank human blood to live, humans killed vampires so they wouldn't die. Some of the humans even killed the vampires in humane ways
Dexter Perry It's like they have an illness that strengthen their instincts, and makes them unable to resist killing humans. Megumi's death for example, showed what the humans who were left had become.
@@treehann I finished Death Note first. I was looking for something similar and found it. I am somewhat disturbed by blood but the story seemed interesting. And these 2 animes are perfect! They are a bit haunting like. They make you question your thoughts and how humanity or human nature is awful. Even the Shikis experienced emotions which really made you feel pity and anger for both in some way.
neither side is evil. In the end, Humans and Shiki wanted to survive, and were scared. The humans just forgot at one point, the shiki they were killing were once they're friends
If it were me I'd only assume demons possessed their corpses and took on their appearance because no loved one of mine would willingly take the life of another so brazenly. The humans were justified, the shiki were 99.9% evil (Ritsuko and Kyouko included as the 0.1%). The Shiki did simply want to exist but did the justify casual murder? And upon your friends and family too boot? Add up all the deaths and you hit enough numbers to effortlessly equal genocide. But yeah, I guess the Shiki causing genocide which would've become a holocaust had they won isn't evil at all *sarcasm*
Everybody is talking about who was evil, who was right and who was wrong.. and I'm just sitting here thinking: woah... Those are some weird clothes Tatsumi is wearing...
+XionNobodyGirl hahaha same here :)
I agree XD
LOL 😂
ikr but I was thinking about the dark circles under his eyes
that boy is wearing booty shorts
The only truly 'good' Shiki was the nurse. She never killed anyone and starved herself to save her friend. In the end, she was murdered anyway, which shows how life is unfair in some regards.
The others only killed for the sake of survival, just like what the humans were doing.
Are lions and tigers 'bad' for killing zebra for food rather than starving?
No I don't think they were bad to kill for survival, that's why I put inverted commas around the _good_. This show does a fantastic job of making you question morals, though.
Stephanie Smith Oh I see. Many people claim that the Shiki are evil or the humans are evil when it's neither. The way they made to where neither side is completley in the wrong is what I like so much about it.
i wanted megumi to get away.....about blew a fuse when they killed her like that.....hated the way the series ended
omniXenderman I didn't like Megumi but her death was rather harsh. Though I knda wanted to see Kaori kill her. But ys I wish more characters that liked survived. Like Tatsumi, Tohru, Ritsuko, Natsuono Nao ect.
Wow Tatsumi talk about a fashion disaster...
IKR
Yoshi Taka ikr I was like *"nigga wtf are you wearing?"*
And that's the biggest crime that any of the Shiki could've committed... It's worse than their campaign of mass of genocide... *Not being sarcastic at all*
Yoshi Taka and we goung to now
lol yeah
The Japanese voice acting of this anime is godlike.
No the sad one is when the girl is getting dragged down the tunnel screaming and she's crying and looking at flash backs of her family
+Closed Down I think all really brutal deaths where dead sad
eric23443219091 That only deaths i think was sad was megumi's and nao's
you mean the scene where she was tearing up that cops ass
+StrauberryCheesecake lol true she was grabbing dat ass like there was no tomorrow
A fitting comment considering the circumstances that took place.
The fact that Sunako has the same voice actress as Madoka makes this anime even better.
She sounds more like Tanya than Madoka, though... 😂
Also Futaba and Diane
I didn’t get a madoka impression out of this. She actually sounds like a completely different character.
Don't forget tatsumaki, hibiki and the giant waifu
@@ltraltier6009That's sort of a testament to how good the voice actress is. She's also in Gosick as Victorique de Blois and I've seen a couple of her roles in summer and autumn 2024 anime.
As for the Madoka similarity, this video does sort of make her sound a bit similar for a few seconds.
Especially when talking about Ozaki.
Just throwing my two cents out there: I think the humans were justified in killing the Shiki because it was for survival, I think the Shiki are justified in attacking humans because it is for survival, the only people not justified are specifically Sukano, and the other Shiki that moved to the village, because they attacked people not out of necessity but selfishness. In the end I think all the villagers were victims of the original Shiki that moved to the village, sukano and the Shiki that moved to the village are the villains and no one else.
I get frustrated seeing people lump all the Shiki together when there is clearly a distinct difference between those who kill to live and those who kill out of selfishness
i agree, the villagers were the victims. The shiki drove them to insanity and survival. The villagers may have been too violent and paranoid but like i said, who drove them to be like that in the first place???? exactly. I wish every mf who caused all of this mess died before they started the greatest tragedy.
I’m glad someone gets it
Sukano had her reason. It was her intention to turn this village into the only safe haven for the Shiki, where they can live free among each other without having to hide, to be scared. To do that they had to make a substaintial amount of Shiki by killing the villagers to take over the village, after that they could go outside to feed just enough without having to kill anyone. Then their society would become a sustainable and free one.
It was a life running and hiding for hundred of years, being rejected and chased, that drived her to that decision, as her words implied "Chizuru... it must have hurt... to be hated, to be rejected." From her perspective, it's totally understandable.
The only bad guy here was the dude who bit Sunako.
Lolz
+Nisska Gowrie o the foreigner lol
eric23443219091 and those were the origins of xenophobia
+ousou78 he was a jinrou according to the wikia
Daniel Reyes yeah because he was out in the sun
I love Sunako's attitude of leadership and her dress
she is like a very young leader of a imperial vampire clan trying to save her and all other shikis however she is like 150 years
@@franciscodavi1323 Just over 100 according to the wiki.
@@DarkAdonisVyers oh.
This anime is everything.
I miss this so much..
Saaaameee
Ikr
Same
Same...
Neither the shiki nor the humans were necessarily doing "evil", because both sides were struggling to survive. To begin with, the shiki didn't become what they are of their own will, and if I remember correctly, Sunako says somewhere in the anime that no one wants to be such a creature, and to not have to feed off of humans would be much better. I agree that the shiki brought this upon themselves, but then again, it's for survival, just like how the humans fought to save themselves. This is not like attack on titan, where the titans ate humans for the pleasure of it. I believe that both sides were just trying to survive, just like anyone would want to do
Bingo
+momo_fishcake
Yeah wipeing out a entire forest is evil oh wait we are doing so to feed the growing human population, nevermind.
See the logic? I don't know why you would post in a thread arguing against being so biased when you recognize how biased you are and do nothing to lessen the bias I your post.
All this does is justify both sides. in this case, the victor will decide who is right.
EXACTURY
+momo_fishcake SHUT UP IF U WHERE A SHIKI U WOULD NOT THINK THAT!
I expected her to say "Chizuru, it must have hurt ...", meaning the physical pain. "to be hated, to be rejected" ... emotionally meant. When she said that, I could understand the Shiki more and more...it made me so sad
You know you did it right when to this day there are still countless people arguing over if the vampires were good or not. best anime i have watched
both sides were evil and good at the same time.
the shikis were gone on a full killing rampage mostly for turning the village and less for hunger.
The humans became way too brutal and feelingless in the shiki purge, when they could have simply killed them quickly.
Both are bad at the same time
+MopeTheDope exactly
+LittleKLas Right!
Are you kidding me...
The villagers were minding their business until a couple of Shiki showed up and began murdering the population. They are parasitic in nature since Humans are their only food source.
The humans cannot be judged for their measures of killing the Shiki. They killed them as fast as a wooden stake and hammer could go. When they ran out, they resorted to the sun.
In general, the humans are not at fault for defending themselves.
+Chucking Reaper i see your point, but, for example, killing people who were innocents (the folks from the temple and other people) wasn't justified with self-defense... i think tgey got mad at the end
Can we all just agree that Tatsumi rocks all those weird outfits he wore across the anime
The core idea of survival isn't selfish. But when it comes to surviving or doing the right choice, this bitch Sunako clearly was self centered and selfish. I don't see Ritsuko eating her friend even though she was starving to death. She saw with clear eyes and cried about rising. To drink blood was a curse and hurt those around her goes against everything she stood for. Would you bite your friends and families and curse them to the same existence? Would you risk them dying if they didn't rise?
Sunako played on the shiki's feelings and brought grief and destruction. The world would have been truly better without her. She caused hundreds of death throughout the years and Seishin should have burned with her. He was a hypocritical pathetic monk that saved no one besides a mass murderer. Oh and he killed someone but then rolled his eyes at his friends who had to sacrifice everything to save the village. He was a coward who ran away from his role and from those who trusted him. They're both selfish and can rot for all I care.
Sunako was a human. Humans struggle to survive. You talk a big game but if you needed to kill to survive, you would be no different than Sunako
You miss the basic point of the series.
You think in moral absoultes. White and black. Good and bad. No in between.You're naive and childish moral code show you're immaturity.
Centrist 922 Learn to read. Ritsuko needed to kill her coworker to survive. Did she do it? NO. She chose to die. Look at Natsuno. He turned into a werewolf but he put himself in danger and chose to fight with everything he had to get rid of the shiki because he could see how wrong their existence was. Did he choose survival? NO. He didn't even let himself drink blood.
The whole presentation of the anime was whether you choose yourself and your wishes, or that of the world. Nao failed by killing off her entire family because she was lonely. Sunako failed because with her BS plan they would have eventually ran out of blood and killed off the entire planet or get themselves wiped out anyways when the epidemic gets out of control. Her justification would have gotten her slapped in the face by all those who chose death to protect their loved ones and family.
This is not white or black it's picking the right choice no matter how hard the decision is. When dr. Ozaki had to experiment on his wife, many would think that's evil but he's doing it to save the people of his village no matter how hard it is for him. That's literal grey, moron.
By the way if I had to choose between surviving or wiping out the entire planet, I wouldn't be picking the latter.
Survival IS selfish if it's at the expense of other people. That is indisputable. It is by the definition of selfish. What you mean to say, is that being selfish is not always wrong.
Sunako's voice is adorable
she is madoka and the blonde from vampire bund
@@alansakatagintoki007 Both Mina Tepes from Dance in the Vampire Bund and Krul Tepes from Seraph of the End.
屍鬼懐かしい、いまでもめちゃ好き
I’ve just realized Tatsumi’s voice is that of OBITO UCHIHA of Naruto
Woah amazing obito is my favorite character Rip obito
"You have to torture them to death?"
I found them letting them burn in the sun wrong too. They were once human and deserve some pity for that.
were, they could also drink once and change human. They didn't need to kill them.
Seeing Sunako care about her fellow Shiki and staying in order to protect them combined with her grief over Chizuru's death is part of why I like her despite the fact that I feel that she shouldn't have come to the village and start turning people into Shiki. If I were a Shiki, I'd gladly follow her and regard her as an angel that just happens to walk in darkness through no fault of her own.
She traveled to the village to make it a home for her kind because of how Seishin described it in his books.
What Sunako is wearing is a popular japanese fashion called lolita. This outfit particularly is dark lolita
*Confused screaming *
I actually didn't find this sad I wished death to all of them, Seishin is the biggest traitor in the history of traitors.
Why would Sunako be a misunderstood character, she is self-centered, you know someone who kills innocent people over 100+ years just so their "precious" life doesn't fade is something you'd call self-centered.
To me the saddest thing about this anime was the fact that everyone had a normal life in the village, they were normal people, in a nice small village, and then you see how they kill each others without any 2nd thought, both the vampires and humans were bad people, although the humans had a much better motive for killing.
If you did not find it sad, you are a messed up sociopath.
Tasorius At least I can differentiate good from bad, what the hell is sad on that? I should feel empathy for a MONSTER that killed countless humans that destroyed countless villages like this, over freaking 100+ years, and yet the only thing that she fears at the end is her life, YOU'VE GOT TO BE FREAKING KIDDING ME MAN!
The only sad thing about her is the fact that she is still alive and has probably another village to destroy with Seishin.
And well yeah people are different, you can't call someone a sociopath just because he doesn't feel like you, it's almost like calling someone a sociopath because he doesn't love the same person as you, I for myself think it's more sad that there are people in the world that are being killed for nothing, instead of a crying 100+ aged killer vampire, period!
Epsilon Only a sociopath can watch that anime and completely side with the humans, and think that the humans are "good".
Vampirism is an illness. The one you should blame is the one who started the chain, those who keep following it are all victims.
The humans who died at the beginning of the anime were victims too, but not the humans who were left at the end.
The doctor tortured his wife to death and the bearded bastard enjoyed killing.
The others sang as they killed the shiki in much more horrible ways than the shiki killed the humans. Some of them killed the humans killed a specific shiki because they did not like him as a human.
All of that revealed their true nature.
If you cannot see that, you are messed up and lack the empathy a human being should have.
Tasorius There's no point arguing with you, you still need to grow up a little bit.
Just going to quote Natsuno....
"Your kind started all of this."
The shiki wanted it, they got what they deserve.
Tasorius you realize how funny this is, to read your comments and look at your avatar at the same time right?
The Monk was my favorite character and I really like the relationship that he had with Sunako, I'm truly happy that they both survived.
Me too
+Dirty Deeds But it sad Megumi had to die
super17a ...
PandaMage2000 ...
Sounds like you're saying they are in a relationship. A man on his 30's maybe, with a 12 years old (Physically) and they're dating. He must be a loli lover, then.
The saddest thing to me was Tatsumi's getup. :/
While there are definitely shiki I feel deserve some mercy, I also can't deny that the shiki were being killed because they started this whole thing. The humans were just fine until they showed up and began killing them all. I use Nao as my example, because she's one of the only couple of shiki I actually feel sorry for, and my favorite charecter in the anime. As I said, I do feel sorry for her, and I would have probably let her live if she begged me for her life, but I also know that she deserved what she got for killing her entire family. The shiki started the whole thing, and when the humans began to fight back, they didn't want to play anymore... Some shiki I would let go, but overall, I would have to side with the humans. I'm sorry shiki, I know you just wanted to live, but you all got what you deserved...
yeah cause dr.ozaki's wife deserved to get a stake through her heart
Ah yes, that is a good point. You're right, she didn't really deserve that, but it was necessary. Just for a minute, let's put ourselves in Dr. Ozaki's shoes. The entire village was being killed by what she had become. I understand he probably could have experimented with any other shiki, and I know I would never have the balls to do what he did. However, the village was running out of time, and if he didn't find out how to take care of the shiki then and there, he'd risk maybe a couple of days the shiki would have to kill them all. Again, you are correct that she didn't deserve that, but it was the only way they could learn how to survive.
DarkPurpleDude Right? I think a LOT of people don't understand that it's the instint to live that drove him to do that. He THINKS he's doing the right thing just like how the Shiki THINK they're doing the wrong thing.
At the end of the day it just shows that the will to live is very strong. For any being.
iBeFloe thinking you are doing something that is right does not make it wrong also the shiki know they are doing something wrong but if they don't their families are murdered
darkness6110 Well 6110, after thinking about it for quite some time, and discussing the matter with some other people on this website, I finally realize I don't know who to side with. Reason tells me that the shiki had already died, so they no longer have the right to live, but my emotions tell me that the shiki are still living beings like you and me. My reason and emotions completely contradict each other, making it hard for me to come up with a decision. The only thing I do know from all this is my belief that it would have been better if the shiki never existed in the first place. Sunako wouldn't have to kill all of those people, Nao would still be there with her family, and in the point you first brought up, Ozaki's wife wouldn't have to have gotten that stake in her chest.
Sunako, the most adorable little monster ever.
I loved her sweet little voice it's so soothing
I honestly don't think a village of Shiki would have lasted in the long run; too many predators grouped together, not enough food in the area, and people would start to notice the disappearances. The village would have been discovered eventually and the Shiki would have been exposed.
Tatsumi revealed (at least in the manga) that he didn't think the village would have lasted. An ecosystem must never have higher numbers of predators than prey or it all falls into chaos, which is what he wanted.
There was no light and dark side, no good or bad, only grey. It all depended on who you sympathized with more. The Shiki did what they did to survive and so did the humans. What’s interesting however, is that in the end only one side actually enjoyed and killed for fun and cruelly and that was the humans. The shiki never enjoyed killing, they wanted everyone they fed from to possibly live.
True but if I was a human and I know that if there turning my friends or anyone that dear to me I will fight back.
She cares for her kind
This is my first time watching anything related to the anime HER EYES FREAKED ME OUT
Lol u get used to it, at first i thought she had no eyes xD
I thought about this and this is how I'd try to maintain my moral compass if I became a Shiki. The biggest problem would be finding comrades/friends and feeding without losing your conscience. I wouldn't starve like Ritsuko - that is practically impossible because you need blood for survival.
So the ideas I came up with are:
I'd feed on people who DESPERATELY want to extend their lifespans somehow - people suffering from terminal illnesses, etc who want to live longer to be with their families or take care of unfinished business. Of course, this would be consensual. And they may not have a chance to rise, so it has to be explained to them.
Another method of feeding I'd rather enjoy is killing people who torment others - like thugs or criminals-people with no remorse who continue to live as parasites to society. Now this may quickly develop into a Death Note situation so you'll have to have control over your rage and impulses. As cruel as it is, some people only know how to live by robbing others of happiness and their victims will have to go through hell to get justice, if that's even possible. Humans can't live on without feeling sinful or guilty if they kill their tormentors, but Shiki can; since that's how they thrive.
If I wanted friends, I'd try to establish relationships with pre-existing Shiki or those whom I consensually created. Then make our own "village" so that our kind can live supporting each other, instead of robbing human settlements.
Drink from a blood bag
Wtf is Tatsumi wearing lol
lmao i thought i was only one
that's the gayest outfit I've ever seen
After knowing her past and watching this creepy but interesting anime, I consider Sunako as my favorite character and villain from Shiki.
To me she felt like side vilain
Tatsumi’s outfit is a huge fashion no-no, no wonder this is sad.
Purge the undead with the radious light of the sun!!!
Why? "kill the creature with radiation from a floating ball of games because they killed innocent people even though we do to"
That's torture. Torture is the up most evil.
Piss off with the moralism, dude... Even if I was someone that was somewhat neutral towards both humans and Shiki but also became pro-human in a sense that I thought they were righteously defending themselves from a bunch of hostile invaders in my childhood and maybe early teenager years, I am now beyond humanity's any *superior* argument as humanity has all the resources, nations and militaries and Shiki family we have seen throughout the series DEFINITELY had nothing that could be called or even imagined as anywhere nearly and relatively "superior" compared to all the things that humanity has under their arsenal, which includes most of the world and that alone would become a great DISADVANTAGE for the both races of Shiki and Jinro alike...
Especially accurate when you think about it from the side of original Shiki family that moved into Sotoba and realize that they cannot escape or tactically fall-back into anywhere during the *what-if* scenarios which where chasing or soughting a co-existence on the table with a unfairly superior race that is humanity, if misunderstandings became huger and grew out of their control and it resulted in a full-fledged war no matter what or they had to escape due to other reasons which I do not think I have to name or break it down to you based on what I mentioned in this essay-like paragraph, after all.
Does everyone forget the shiki can't survive without blood. Sunako wasn't turned into a shiki of her own will she had no choice in the matter. At that age yea I wouldn't want to kill myself because some monster came out of nowhere and turned me into something I'm not. I agree she didn't need to come into their village and start turning random people into shiki, but they weren't exactly turned of their own will either. Both sides are fighting for survival ( some more brutal than others ), but when you think about it they're fighting for the same thing. Despite your opinion I do feel sorry for the shiki, and even worse for the humans because they became the very thing they were fighting against. Monsters
Finally someone who understands!
I fell i love with your comment
Thank you, and I like your profile pic 😘
They started this and even if they needed blood, it did not give them the right to kill or turn others into shiki as well. As they dined, the villagers were in grief. They didn't do anything to them till the truth came out. That enraged the villagers especially after the fact that all this time, they were the cause of so many deaths.
Teresa Müller It's a predator vs prey thing.
I want Sunako to whisper into my left ear gently.
Every scene in Shiki is a sad Shiki scene
During this show I had so many emotions creepiness sadness happiness and made me question who are the real monsters here us or them
すなこの目の色が好き
I have to feel sorry for the shiki not to forget that there "urge" is equivalent to our urge to breathe, you just cant stop. also they hoped for their victims to rise. i see the line of guilt and innocence being blured in this series.
sunako is so adorable :o
yet horrible and like 150 years old
I'd still do her
Karen Lemmens we all know seishin is tapping sunako i mean it's pretty obvious lol
This is a sad moment but I think the 2 saddest moments were Tohru crying as he devoured Natsuno and the scene where Sunako and Seishin were in the basement and Sunako was crying saying that the only reason she did the things she did was because she didn't want to die. She really is a misunderstood character.
Personally, I always thought that the saddest moment in the anime was the last 8 minutes of episode 20.5. I don't know why I feel so sorry for Nao, since she murdered her in laws, along with her son and husband. Perhaps it's because she just wanted to be with her family, and now will never be able to, in this life or the next. Maybe it's because of how much she regrets killing her family. Either way, Nao was probably the only reason I started feeling for the shiki at all. If it wasn't for her, I most likely wouldn't care.
Oh yeah Nao's death an despair was up there to. It mentally disturbed me watching them tied up and being exposed to the sunlight. I also felt really bad for Ozaki, Sunako and Tohru.
Yeah. It saddens me that any shiki I felt bad for ended up dying (well, Sunako didn't die, though I'm not 100% sure if I feel bad for her yet). Some shiki I don't care about, like Masao (in fact, I hated him), but it's shiki like Nao and Tohru that I think need a hug.
I hated Megumi worse than Masao but yes, Nao, Tohru and Natsuno should have survived. I'm glad Sunako and Seishin did at least. Sunako was just like the others. She didn't like having to kill but she had to in order to survive. She probably didn't show as much reluctants and grief at that point because she's been a Shiki for 80 years and accepting the fact and not wallowing in self hatred for living is something she managed to due though towards the end she expressed her sadness.
Misaka Imouto For Sunako, I'm still weighing the scales on whether I feel for her or not.
Seishin is my 2nd favorite character, my 1st being Nao. With him able to be with the shiki as a human, I wondered if coexistence could have been an option.
Natsuno literally wanted to die and blew himself up, so I don't really feel for him. At least he got what he wanted (well, some of it, but he also wanted all the shiki dead, so...)
Don't get me wrong, Megumi deserves to rot in Hell, but character wise, she was ok, which is the only thing that keeps me from completely hating her.
I was kinda surprised that anyone could hate a character more than Masao. I just wanted to rip him in half. He's a little whiney baby that gets a kick out of trying to make others feel bad.
Tohru and Nao, if I ever saw them crying because of what they did, I'd go up and hug them... well, maybe I'd ask them to not bite my neck first, I would prefer if I could stay alive as a human.
humans are the worst of the series in my opinion.
im not answering anyone who says that humans aren't the worst. cause the humans are the worst in the series
Sunako has to be one of my favorite character Shiki, she is adorable, hopeful, wise, and she is also a victim.
I must say, you got me there. I suppose that the villagers got caught up in the moment of anger, revenge, superstitious, and all sorts of negative emotions to have thought it through.
But They were ignorant. I don't think they were too aware of the strategic force behind the shikis. Viewers are able to judge the humans so harshly because we've been exposed to the human side of shikis. I see a lot of people say "I use to hate the shikis but i felt sorry for them after they got hunted"
Unfortunately Sunako and her gang got greedy. They didn't just want blood but the entire town as well and the people as food. You wanna be someone else's dinner?! Think about it. How long do you think her mother would last and how do you she would last? In that episode, one shiki even killed his granddaughter and grandson! That is truly monstrous!
Still a better story then Twilight.
I Agree!
Almost anything is a better story than "Twilight", so that doesn't say that much about the series.
It's a better story than many things
What do you mean "still"??
It's fucking great story.
Ik this comment is 4 years old, but man I'm offended
You know, it kinda makes me sad seeing people say both sides were evil, when the humans kill each other, and have little to no emotion-
Tatsumi wears the weirdest outfits throughout the whole anime. My favorite was his spiky biker looking outfit.
Always coming back to this makes me remember how much I hate her. She's one of those characters who are "I have a sad past, please feel sorry for me, please, please, even though I've done so many things that are wrong, it's because I have a sad past"
Except she did nothing wrong, just haphazard.
@@DarkAdonisVyers
She did everything wrong lmao
I don't think what she did haphazard is gonna do shit, since what she did was HER GOALS. It wasn't a lack of plan, since that was her true plan. To take over a village and create a safe space of shikis that they can take control of
If that's the case, then the humans did nothing wrong. But I'm 100% sure the reason why people despise what the humans did because unlike the Shiki, they did everything smoothly, while humans did it bloodily. Both still stupid, but I hate the shiki's actions more.
@@gil2644 Nothing wrong with siring a coterie, but there's usually a better system to do so.
@@DarkAdonisVyers Well...remove the killing aside since she is a vampire so maybe it wouldn't be avoided. Let's start with the fact that instead of building a new town somwehre, she decided to take over a human town (obviously she also had plenty of spite inside her due to her past so she wanted to remove humans like humans tried to remove her), she was willing to sacrfice many lives (since not all humans rise as vampires)
She manipulated people to kill either family members (with the hope they would live together forever) or people they hated (to take revenge) and she even used her own grey morals to manipulate other people to kill with less remorse (which could still be "sweet" in an essence she didn't want people around her to feel bad but still...a bit messed up...)
Last but not least, she never truly recognized what she did was wrong. She initially shifted the blame to her hunger, then to her need for a place to belong and finally to god for not stopping her. In modern day world she could do so much with her wealth and experience but she chose mayhem.
Of course one can understand where she comes from but still...her methods are not exactly the best to say the very least
@@katerinaaqu What she tried to do or how she went about it? I did say that she was being haphazard... Or do you know not what that word means?
0:45 まさおいて草
This whole anime is an sad scene honestly.
*Gasp* She wears the cone of shame!
I remember when I was 10 years old I had crush on sunako
am i the ONLY person who loves sunako??
Because of that kind of reasoning, That is why you are the one who governs the world. With "intelligents" and "tactful reasoning"
Whatcha wearing there Tatsumi....
Dang im just gonna say that i love megumi"s outfits ^^ 😘😘 love it
The sexiest clothes you can wear
It feels really sad to hear that from you. At first I though you were more than that but I guess I was just wrong. There is nothing more for us to talk about, so goodbye.
Agreed. Ozaki didn't want to torture his wife but she is now shiki and will be a threat to others, thus he had to find out how to fight and kill them and sadly his wife was the only available one there. Even if the village burned down, they can rebuild it and hopefully their lives as well.
No, most of the residents died and the ENTIRE AREA burned down there is no rebuilding it. And they brought that upon themselves by going mad and giving into mass hysteria
Actually, it's implied that Shiki don't need to drain their victims dry in order to feed, but from what it seems, becoming a Shiki seems to affect your inhibitions in some way. It MIGHT be possible, but Sanuko handled so poorly, it's no wonder it fell apart.
Sunako orders a counter slaughter in the town ... I still support her.
Should have trained up skills and disciplines first.
"responsible for protecting the whole village?"
As a resident of the village, and maybe as a human being in general maybe?
I hated him for that too, but he had to do it, the least he could have done is apologized so she wouldn't be so clueless.
he's a jinrou, a werewolf :D
I binged watched shiki and i cried a lot
The good shikis just looked the other way and nevertheless participated in the killing of even children. The good shiki was Ritsuko because she refused to kill even as her best friend was thrown to her for food. She became a nurse to help people not to kill them. She never forgot that even as a shikis. Shikis were taught to kill by Tatsumi who enjoyed torturing others. Nao killed even her sister-in-law and her family out of jealousy.
It's fun to read the comments
This show was so hamfisted that no one would revive the whole concept until 2011
I love This Anime Sad :(( .. .
That doesn't justify killing people and leaving their love ones in grief!
Tell that to humanity as a whole that has been doing that to itself since the beginning of time. Making what the vampires did seem like a trivial matter that's hardly worth mentioning.
The true monsters in this anime are the humans
Why?
It's just like if vegetarians killed us just cus we ate meat
Bry-Bry DG (im not being racist) or blacks killing us cuz we r white
The shikis were the ones who started this mess. Killing people night after night. If that wasn't enough they planned to take over the village and make slaves out of them. That really was the last straw and that's why the humans went ballistic in killing them.
allsportsbandfan actually they just wanted a place where they can hang out and be themselves and not have to hide from the humans
If anything the deaths of the shiki should be advocated, that must be a really horrible exsistance to depend on the death of people just to stay alive.
You don't need to kill to feed, only to sire.
... I do feel bad for Sunako.... Chizuru was like a daughter to her.... :/
Nah I've never felt sad for her, ofc I understand her but she was the VILLAIN It's like if I'd have leprosy and I would have been banished by my people, I'd feel so alone, sad and angry that I would start infecting everyone in order to they be able of understand me and not feeling sad and alone anymore. What kind of logic is that? SUFFER LIKE ME TO UNDERSTAND ME that's so egoistic.
I mean, she knew how terrible was to be a shiki and what she does? Yes transform people into shiki (and crossfingers bc some of them didn't came back to life)
And that's exactly why Natsuno claimed, "YOU DIDN'T GIVE THEM A CHOICE", yeah bc she pushed all the new shikis to become assassins. And that's why I loved the nurse character she was so strong and even when she was so hungry she didn't try anything, and tried to save her friend instead.
In the end, Sunako is not a misunderstood character she is a villain that doesn't want to recognize what she is, and the same goes to the monk. 2 hypocrites that deserved "a Berserk death"
the monk was hypocrite
I love this anime
Same here. Even if the village burned down, the villagers will rebuild it. If they were strong enough to get rid of the shiki, they are strong enough to build what was destroyed. My favorite character was Sadafumi because he led the fight in the pipeline.
Of course, you'd identify with the paranoid sadist.
You actually LIKE that pos???
All three races here! (ningen, shiki, jinrou)
What are Ningen?
men
+Waranger5 Oh. I wonder what a hybrid of all three would be like. What would they feed on? What would be their name? What would be their weaknesses? Could you kill them? If so, what would it take to kill them? Would they have any type of supernatural abilities? Would they survive the purge in the village? So many questions!
+Waranger5 Maybe, Coz they're a hybrid of 3 different creatures, they would have three "lives". And, in order to kill them the first time, you had to shoot them specifically in the center of the forehead with a singular silver bullet blessed by a holy priest. Then, in order to end their second life, you had to stab them with a wooden stake, LEAVE THE STAKE IN THEM, then slice off their head, and limbs, and burn them with fire created from specifically golfer wood (IN THAT EXACT ORDER WITH THOSE EXACT SPECIFICATIONS). And finally, in order to end their 3rd life, after they have resurrected from their 2nd life, all you have to do is behead them. But, killing a hybrid and ending either of their lives would be very difficult, since their flesh, organs, and muscles have hyper elasticity, and every bone in their body was 10x harder than diamond. Let's also make their bones be completely hollow and light, enabling the hybrids to move quickly and nimbly. And they will have accelerated healing.
+Waranger5 This would all make ending at least a hybrid's _first_ life tremendously difficult.
Guys,
This anime doesn't show who is the true monster, the humans or the shiki.
It just shows how emotional unstable and fickle we are xD
That just explains the nature of us humans, no?
Erik P.T. Yeah, how we once despised the shiki for killing people, then despising the humans for killing shiki. How fickle we are.
Exactly.
To put this in an idea that I can comprehend I tend to compare it to scenarios from WWII, you feel sorry for the Russians during that start because of what the Germans are inflicting upon them, but then the spectrum gets flipped and you start feeling sorry for the Germans because the Russians are doing much worse things, but then you take a step back and see that if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing, this wouldn't have happened, this scenario can be applied to this show here.
"if it wasn't for the Germans starting the whole thing" Haha, good ignorant sheep.
The fuck are you talking about?
Newell Joseph Germany didn't start everything, it all started with the assassination of archduke Ferdinand. The two situations are not comparable, and also filled with propaganda.
I was talking about the actions of Nazi Germany and there involvement during WWII I was not stating historical facts, I was making a comparison to the actions during the war as compared to the actions in the series. Read my statement more carefully and you'll see that I'm only talking about the Germans fighting the Russians during World War II not the whole genesis of historical events.
NeonNuki He was referring to the German/Soviet conflict the second World War, not the start of WWI.
I think it's a decent analogy. Of course the situations don't line-up perfectly, but it highlights the main conflict. The Germans struck the USSR first, and the Soviet soldiers committed a number of atrocities in formerly occupied German territories.
They're both human and shiki just want to live
1:23 I saw this frame... I wanted to cry... I just wanted to give her a hug. She looks so pitiful. ;-;
It's only natural that both sides would try to survive. It's nature of course but I still say the vampires had it coming more. They both murdered but who started it? The shiki. They'll get no sympathy for me.
I really love their clothes
entire final of this anime is sad.
The only thing worse than almost entire Shiki cast's hairstyles is that Tatsumi outfit.
In shiki there is no thing like purely good or purely evil. Not even Megumi was absolutely evil.
An annoying, bad mouthed, spoiled, egocentric nuisance of a brat yes. But not absolutely evil
Lmao she even isnt like that, the anime just made her that way because they needed actually entertaining characters and the only way to do that was to make her bitchy
She's truly just a girl who wants a better life and to follow her dreams in the actual story
The Shiki chose to kill humans in order to create more Shiki, Tooru proved they don't need to when he fed on Natsuno without killing him
The Shiki were evil
Welcome to the comment section! We have lots of heartless people that take things too seriously! (Pls. don't hunt me down)
Serina Seabolt Oh noes.
Is just an anime show, not real life. I am glad that REAL Vampires are not real (SO FAR, APPARENTLY)for they could add even more brutality to our already violent human world.
Zachery Concepcion may i come in...
@@Wolfen443 if vampires existed I would've destroyed them with army with more brutal ways
@@sn4ke16 Unless they controlled the stock market. Have fun fighting a vigilante war with no money.
" visiting them constantly"
Well yeah, a bitch has got to eat.
"she had just risen"
I don't know how accurate that is, but I'll concede.
"The spread is not usually exponential."
That brings up a good point.
I'm on the shiki's side!!
I cannot agree with you more dude. The shikis got what was coming to them.
Tf
OK, now I'm really confused. Should we feel sorry for the shiki who are being brutally killed by the humans, or cheer for the humans fighting for survival? I was pro-shiki, but now that girl seemed psychotic.
"This village is almost dead." Who the hell says that?!
Watch the first part of anime. When those fuckers are acting so smug, when they're slowly invading and felling "oh so superior". And then watch again them crying and pleading for mercy when suddelny odds are against them.
I had no problem with chosing sides.
Tasorius Not really, this anime really wasnt black and white. At the start of it vampires seemed to be evil creatures but as the story progressed we find out that the humans are as bad if not worse than the vampires. This is one of the most grey animes that I have seen, an aspect that I definetly enjoyed.
Dexter Perry The humans were definitely worse.
Tasorius No. The humans were just mad because you know. The vampires did kill half of their loved ones and then planned on killing them next. Not saying the humans were in the right though. This anime just showed what had to be done for survival. Vampires drank human blood to live, humans killed vampires so they wouldn't die. Some of the humans even killed the vampires in humane ways
Dexter Perry It's like they have an illness that strengthen their instincts, and makes them unable to resist killing humans.
Megumi's death for example, showed what the humans who were left had become.
we meet again tatsumi...
on this forward I will not bring victory to the empire anymore.....
THIS ISNT SAD ITS STUPID!
just finished watching this for the second time. The ending is so heart wrenching. Hope this scene doesn't spoil anything for the next viewers. xD
Woah, this was 9 years ago. I hope you finished it.
@@user-yh3bf3zk4t I did and it's still one of my favorite horror anime! They're kind of hard to come by.
@@treehann I finished Death Note first. I was looking for something similar and found it. I am somewhat disturbed by blood but the story seemed interesting. And these 2 animes are perfect! They are a bit haunting like. They make you question your thoughts and how humanity or human nature is awful. Even the Shikis experienced emotions which really made you feel pity and anger for both in some way.
Both I meant as in the two sides. What makes a side, a side.
because they knew they'd hunt them even if they came out in the open and tried to make peace * just like dance in the vampires bund
Saddest scene was the huge old guy dying
Idkw but i missed these kinds of anime
Fighting in behalf of creatures trying to drink u sounds counterproductive
Not if you secretly have an axe to grind with your own species.
neither side is evil. In the end, Humans and Shiki wanted to survive, and were scared. The humans just forgot at one point, the shiki they were killing were once they're friends
If it were me I'd only assume demons possessed their corpses and took on their appearance because no loved one of mine would willingly take the life of another so brazenly. The humans were justified, the shiki were 99.9% evil (Ritsuko and Kyouko included as the 0.1%). The Shiki did simply want to exist but did the justify casual murder? And upon your friends and family too boot? Add up all the deaths and you hit enough numbers to effortlessly equal genocide. But yeah, I guess the Shiki causing genocide which would've become a holocaust had they won isn't evil at all *sarcasm*