MasAir B767 has FLIGHT CONTROL ISSUES landing at LAX | Emergency Declared
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- Опубликовано: 30 сен 2024
- 02/FEB/2021
A MAS Air B767 performing flight from Mexico City to Los Angeles was on final approach for runway 25L when the pilots requested to go around and enter a holding pattern to troublshoot a flight control issue.
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The communication from the MasAir pilots on this one and the one last week was pretty good. Clearly and calmly communicating. ATC on the other hand seemed a little flustered.
I notice both pilots including the one from the engine failure followed the same emergency reporting response to ATC where they declared and emergency and gave them souls and fuel. So that means pilots follow the SOP. Of course last time and this time ATC wasn’t listening anyways.
@@sncy5303 they probably didn’t know what they had at first. We don’t know because we weren’t there but it may have been relatively minor, but enough that once they cross referenced the issue, they did not want to take any chances. They did a stellar job at detecting a possible issue, quickly choosing a go around, and communicating exactly what they wanted to ATC. The only thing that may have made it a little bit easier for ATC is stating, “We are declaring an emergency. Mayday Maday Maday. Prepare to copy souls on board and remaining fuel.”
That may have given ATC a second to process the Mayday call and know that the pilots were going right into souls on board and fuel because they were already ahead of the curve.
LA *is* kinda busy
03:50 the most subdued 'mayday' call ever made in the history of emergencies.
I'm pleased to see her actually saying mayday rather than making some vague statement that ATC then has to clarify whether they've declared an emergency or not.
I don't think it was too out of the ordinary. Just from watching this channel, a lot of emergency fuel calls are quite calm like this. Some emergencies are real emergencies. Others just meet the criteria and could become very real emergencies if they don't have attention from ATC.
@@qbaker20 I agree, nothing special about.
Was 'funny' because they were like:
Pilot: Going around because we have an issue with flight controls.
Tower: So you have an emergency?
Pilot: No, we're fine
*Minute later*
Pilot: MAYDAY!
Tower: Ok what do you want to do?
Pilot: Freely fly around with our flight controls.
(Yes, I know there's more to it than that, but that's just what I played back in my head)
MasAir only has 3 aircraft in their entire fleet and two of them are currently broken. That's....eye opening.
Yah, I was gonna say didn’t they just have engine trouble this week as well
@@karlsandin4515 might be the same aircraft. Both were 767s going to lax. The male pilot sounded like the same one on the other flight to me.
Yes, the last 2 additions were given MX at Wilmington, both 767s are older, nothing wrong with the factory plane.
MasAir according to Wiki has 3 planes. 2 of them have had emergencies at LAX in the past week. Their operations guy at LAX must be pissed.
That woman was GOOD!!!! Kind of let departure know who was in charge. LOL
ATC was making all kinds of mistakes.
3:33 ATC never corrected the incorrect call-back frequency.
@@wjatube If you're referring to 134.35 then VAS just transcribed it incorrectly. MAS pilots' 2s and 3s sound very similar but the pilot did read back 134.35.
@@wjatube if you read while you listen you hear what you read , which isnt always correct
At least their pilots are very polite and do give all relevant information
And prepared very well...
More like NO Mas air, am I right?!
We would just like to hold over CATLY.... *as published.* I love the way she slaps them on the wrist in the world's most polite way.
Thank you Victor for the approach chart overlay -- it helped to clarify MAS' intention and expected approach, especially for those not familiar with KLAX. 👍😁
Nice touch that was. You're welcome :)
ATC gets upset if we the pilots do not get stuff on the first time. This time and last week both emergencies involving Mas Air the pilots had to repeat multiple times their intentions. Their English was perfect, no complain
If you listen closely, you can hear the sounds of other carriers readying better job offers for this pilot. 😆
ATC to pilots: here have 20 infos and i expect you memorize them all and copy in a flash... latly Pilots to ATC here the 3 infos you need.
ATC: can you tell me how many souls again?
I thought this was reupload at first, turns out it's a different incident...
I can only imagine the flight crew, dealing with an emergency and having to repeat their intentions, nature, souls, and fuel, getting very frustrated with ATC. Listen carefully - it's an emergency aircraft - the first time. Ouch.
Seems like in a lot of these I hear pilots have to repeat themselves a lot to ATC. Pilots have a lot to do up there. ATC has one job - to listen. Be ready for people talking in your ear and what they have to say folks - it might be important!
Remember these recording trim out ALL of the unrelated audio to the incident. Belive use when we say that atc is VERRY busy managing traffic.
A suggest going to atc24 yourself and listening to any af the sothern cali frequencies and youll see just how busy it gets!
@@BlueSparrow13 Yep, I happen to be a private pilot, and my home airport is within KSAN Bravo, so I'm a tad familiar. Thanks for the suggestion though.
MasAir has been on a roll lately 😬
@@fntimah thanks 😅
They are a total mess... embarrassing!
@Chloe Feleciano next week: gear failure
@@AviatorGamer 😋
@Chloe Feleciano I was just about to say that.
Am I the only one who is concerned that ATC was giving instructions (in error) to 6814 but 1820 was answering, all without any correction of the callsign? Isn't this the exact purpose of a readback?
Thankfully 1820 was taking the instructions for her own and 6814 was not on frequency yet.
I have flown into regional airspace in which they tried to speak at 150mph. Here you have one of the busiest airspaces in the world and they are all speaking at a normal speed and clearly (though ATC didn’t confirm readbacks correctly). I can still appreciate the clear diction and not trying to speak like an auctioneer.
The pilot’s tone never changed. Amazing!
The pilot working the radio was superb.
Super superb. She's a credit to her company.
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She handled it very well. Nice job.
She gave all details clearly to ATC regarding fuel and souls on board and ATC asks again not listening the first time brutal ATC
That's the problem with reporting info in the very first call. ATC is not ready to write down all that.
@@VASAviation Not a pilot, watch these videos. Should they only tell issue when asked?
culdeus Telling the issue is fine. However, saying something with numbers (such as fuel, souls) before asked basically puts the ATC in a position where they’re not prepared to write it down right away, as they are already busy doing several things at once.
@@818R6 It does seem like, from watching these videos, eventually for an emergency at a major airport the primary ATC gets a secondary ATC to ask those relevant questions (fuel/souls) and arrange for ground support while the primary does the vectors for all aircraft in the area to make space. Not having any aviation experience at all, this seems like a good system provided the ground crew has time to do their basic tasks in an emergency.
It happened recently with another mas Air and the controller was not ready to copy. I think the company policy dictates to deliver the info and not wait until atc ask for it.
MAS Air's havin' a tough week...
You would too if you had to deal with those controllers. One wouldn't shut up and one wouldn't listen.
Okay tower, this is what we are doing, yea my way. Lol
ATC reminded me of the other MasAir incident.
I like how she just casually declared "mayday, mayday mayday ...." :D
Again a VERY competent mayday declaration.... and shitty handling by ATC. Offer them the visual: "The airport is at your 9 oclock, I can clear you for the visual anytime you like". Great! You give them an option, great! Then when they answer with a very specific: "no thanks, we'd like.... " Accept that and help them do it the way they like.
In this case, the pilots had a "stable flying plane" and plenty of time to figure out what to do. No rush, no high workload in the cockpit, so they were able to make their request again. But what if it was a real "urgent" emergency with things happening fast? As it stands, the extra radio communication might distract them enough, combined with the "flight control issue" that they crash the plane.
That's 2 MAS Air 767's in a week with problems. Hmmm.
Quality of that atc is below standards.
NoMasAir?
It is VERY clear ATC and ALL pilots need to be put through 3 months of reviews including 3 times in the simulator.
Thank You Vas.
You can clearly hear the tension in the pilot's voices but they still communicate super well under the circumstances. Bravo.
Love your videos. Hope you're earning a fair wage.
This is definitely not what I expected from LAX controllers. Smh 🤦🏻♂️
That was a pretty calm event for flight control issues. Considering where it was called maybe it was a flap issue. That’s technically a flight control issue
Or did they confuse wake turbulence from the 777 with a control issue?
@@rcnfo1197 I would say not. They went to a hold, checked stuff, then declared the emergency
Sounds like Masair needs to take a look at their maintenance
MAAS Air B-767 ´s needs a replacement quiclky, second incident in less than a Month. , ..
6:40 did he just ask for a runway inspection of 25R right as the emergency aircraft started a 5 mile final?
Man, this sucks.
I've been seeing a disturbing consistency of 767 problems over the last 12 months.
And that sucks because i always liked the 767. It's one of the OG wide body jets. /:
Mas Air only has three aircraft in their fleet, and they only fly to eight destinations, why do they need a 6800 series and an 1800 series flight numbers? Is it based on a tail number or something? Why not make it easy on their pilots and say, This is plane 3, flying route 12, so you are flight 312.
Me thinking the female’s voice in the beginning was the tower 🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️🤦🏻♀️ #femalepilotsrock 💪🏽💪🏽
That MAS Air pilot is PROFESSIONAL AF!
Why can't it just land? Is it better to understand the aircraft's issue than leave it all to technician? Or its to make sure pilot can control the aircraft rather than assume it will land?
When she she’s flight control issues, what exactly does that mean? What’s the aircraft doing? She was great with her communication to LAX tower.
Could be anything from a rudder issue, to aileron issue or maybe flaps. I’m guessing she just didn’t want to try and specify what the issue was exactly.
Pilot sounding a little tight lipped there. ;-)
Can I ask...if you're having issues in the air, why not get it on the ground ASAP? Why go around and possibly experience more issues?
When they are on final, they need to keep the aircraft on a stabilized approach so they can come in smoothly and touch down where they are supposed to on the runway. If something happens on final that causes the aircraft to destabilize, they need more time to figure out what is happening and be able to reestablish their approach. If they only take the minute or two they have before touchdown to figure it out, that is not enough time. Unless it is something absolutely catastrophic, such as a dual engine failure, the safer decision is to go around. They establish into a holding so they can assess what went wrong, run checklists to try and fix or improve the issue, and create a plan of action from there. Sure, they would not want to spend more time than necessary in the air, but they have procedures that they need to go through in order to make sure they can land as safely as possible. Once they have everything under control, then they can go back and try the approach over again
@@spelldaddy5386 Makes sense, thank you for the info.
Deja vu. I just seen this video before...
No this is the controller who wouldn't listen. The other one was the one that wouldn't shut up.
This happens regularly now huh with masair
That was Direct entry right?
I felt the lady was saying m'aidez, m'aider, m'aidez rather than Mayday.
Does MasAIR mean they are Mexican nationals and speak Spanish?
It's MAYDAY
@@VASAviation Yes, I know, the book surely says 'Mayday'.
But, as far as I understood some years ago - the term originates from French language.
In French "help me" or "help us" is written "m'aidez, m'aider" and it is spoken very similiar to what I heard from the lady pilot.
I got this from Wkipedia:
The spelling is used as a phonetic representation of a cry for help [mede], and this either as a jussive infinitive M’aider, possibly shortened from Venez m’aider! 'Come help me!' Or M’aidez as an imperative M’aidez! 'Help me!'
I know that
No más!
Very professional! Well done!
When she she’s flight control issues, what exactly does that mean? What’s the aircraft doing? She was great with her communication to LAX tower.
Overall decent job ATC and pilots. Nitpicking it to death in favor of one or the other is non productive and not indicative of the outcome IMO.
Did MAS pilot(s) ever indicate what the issue actually was with which flight controls, or did I miss it?
I noticed in a few of these videos that LA ATC seems a little inattentive at times. With the Mas Air situation it could be the accent of the pilot.
Did MAS Air just run into wake turbulence from the 777?
Sounds like Masa Air has a bunch of crap airplanes. 2nd emergency in LAX this week.
Good ol memories working in masair birds back in 2013
Pan-pan, pan-pan, pan-pan vs MayDay on this. Thoughts?
I think it is very reasonable to call a mayday with a flight control issue. They don't specify on frequency what the issue is, but you can imagine something like a yaw damper inop or runaway trim stabilizer can be life threatening enough to call mayday.
Pan-pan is "We have an urgent issue and would like to get on the ground ASAP, but we are under control of the aircraft".
Mayday is "We are out of control/cannot maintain altitude or heading, or we cannot guarantee we will remain in control".
This emergency falls into that last part. With a flight control issue they obviously thought was serious, they did not want to chance losing control in a busy airspace with other aircraft nearby. The Mayday is telling the controllers "Clear the area, please."
@@records26 Thank you for educating a non-pilot aviation lover on the proper usage, i appreciate it.
ATC sounded quite alarmed after hearing of flight control issues, what was the reason for this? I would love to hear the Atcs description of this instance ( I know this will never happen), it would be great to get some extra context. You can tell from the pilots relatively calm voices that they are not exactly experiencing extreme G-Forces and flight control issues were minor considering they were asking to head over to CATLY.
Flight control issues can rapidly escalate unexpectedly. Without knowing more it could have been runaway trim which could lead to loss of vertical control, a major problem at low altitude on approach.
It makes you wonder if the labor union representing MAS Air's maintenance had their contract expire at the end of 2020?
Can / may ATC deny once you request a go-around?)))
You dont really request a go around, you just anounce it and go, period.
They just mispoke the word, or jumbled the sentence, as the next thing they said was requesting the missed approach route.
Jeez Mas Air has had a bad couple of weeks in Los Angeles
Sounds like they fly a bunch of trash.
Man, the state of ATC in this country is pretty embarrassing if your videos from the last few months are anything to go by. Pretty hard to listen to.
Only at LAX
Cool
Was it the same tail number as last weeks?
No, that was N363, this was N773
N363 is having its #2 engine replaced at KONT currently
What’s with mas air and LA?
Lead paint in the tower. It has a sweet taste, and apparently they won't stop eating it.
A "flight control issue" is too generic. If there is any trouble steering the aircraft then ATC needs to think about not having other airplanes full of people and fuel, such as presumably Alaska 220, near the runway. God forbid this emergency affected low speed directional control and the 767 left the side of the runway into one or more aircraft. Sorry to sound like a pessimist.
All atc NEEDS to know is that there is a problem, telling them what the problem specifically would not only be time cosuming on both sides, but slso distrscing for everyone involved. As there are Vastly more important things to do/communicate
Now to the second part of the comment,
By the time they are 3-5 miles out they are already pretty close to landing speed. At which time they would already know about any low speed control issues, and would likely communicate it to atc, making sure any safty hazzards are out of the way. probably doing a go around first, a rule #1 about landing is; make sure your stabilized!
I hope this helped to shed at least a little light on the subject :)
You’re right
No wonder no audio was found on 134.350, even after telling him to go to that twice, the guy still went to 124.350... (Minute 3:35)
Nice work from all involved.
Same 767 from last week?
No
The one from last week is still having its #2 engine being replaced at kont.
I'm visualizing MAS aircraft with garish paint and a horn playing La Cucaracha
Thanks as always!!
No worries!
Thats 2 MAS air emergencies out of LAX in a short time, Maybe they need to look into their maintenance
True
WTH is going on with MAS Air and their fleet? Sounds like either maintenance issues or an incredible run of bad luck! OK...I always slam Asian pilots for poor English skills, especially under stress, but both Pilot and Copilot deserve credit here for their clarity and communication. In fact, it was ATC who was having the communication difficulties! This is the second or third time I have heard Mas Air pilots give fuel remaining, SOB and dangerous goods status with the mayday declaration. The training staff are, at least, doing that right. ATCs sounds like an annoyance to most emergency flight crews when they have to ask for those stats multiple times during a mayday scenario.
Masair is a Mexican airline
@@jr13227 Yes...I know...my reference to Asian pilots was generic...that's what I always cite in my complaints about non native speakers communicating with ATC...I didn't write that sentence well!🤪
I bet they programmed the FMC wrong and panicked. Always requesting fix's and procedure's after they blew the approach.
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Beginning to look like MAS Air has some deficiencies in their aircraft maintenance program.
Based on two crew who landed planes having issues without a single sweat raised? Hardly say its all a maintenance issue. Considering one was an engine failure/vibration.
The term "flight control malfunction" is fine when first going around, but it really would be helpful to be easier for everyone to narrow it down prior to landing.
I suspect that the phrase is in the checklist and the crew's English is limited to the required vocabulary.
Good job by all. Crew took charge and seemed to stay on top of things, specify what they wanted and declared the emergency. Better than some domestic US pilots.
And of course ATC needs to ask emergency aircraft the same questions again. It's the American way!
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I'm having difficulty understanding the MAS Air pilots, especially the woman who often mumbles when she speaks.
She speaks great