VKAR Bison PROBLEMS and How To Replace The Spur Gear
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One thing I will mention when buying anything that comes from overseas that is rc related is check the screws. For example, I bought a redcat and straight out of the box the spur gear and servo were not screwed in correctly. Just do a once over of the entire rig before the first run.
That is good advice
Anybody who buys an RC car (no matter how highly rated) and doesn't expect it to break are either very naive, or just new to the hobby. Keep doing what you do, the way you do it man, I love your reviews!
+George Costanza thanks for the encouragement
I Bought the Vkar bison v2 as well and I have had a lot of RC's from all the dji phantom series to boats and a few different traxxas RC's and this Bison is one of my favourite. People that seem to talk trash about this truggy must have either got a lemon for their order or literally been going super extreme with it because I have abused the $hit out of this car and I have had no issues so fare. killer Rc for the price hands down and one of the funnest in my opinion.
Glad to hear that you share my opinion Warren. I felt really bad when I was hearing people having issues. I've had no problems with this that I haven't with other cars...and this one is going bigger and faster than my others.
well done mate, my Bison arrives in a few days, I've found a European supplier for parts and they have the suspension bushings, they're on Ebay. I've been watching all your Bison related Vids as well as RC Tanks & Trucks in Australia and i thibk you've both been very fair about this RC. personally, im looking for an RC i can trash whilst building my various shelf queens so thanks for your help in finding a suitable candidate, keep up the great Vids!
Glad you found a supplier. That's great. I looked at some European suppliers, but shipping was going to get me. Ended up using AlieExpress for free...super slow...shipping for the parts I couldn't get here.
nice video, I'm receiving my bison by the end of the week. definitely interested to see if you manage to find a steel spur gear that fits as I'm hoping to try the bison on 4s. also with the bushings do you think a steel/ alloy one would work? as I'm thinking of hitting up a local workshop with a cnc Mill to make a few for me .. maybe the spur gears as well if there are no readily available ones. keep up the good work
I was thinking about a steel bushing. The only thing is...the arm becomes the next weak link and may break. The bushing is super cheap and easy to change vs. a cracked or broken a-arm
CCxRC that actually quite a good point.. maybe I'll just look at the bushings as a consumable item that saves the a arms from breaking haha I'll just have to buy several when I find them in stock somewhere
I ordered 3 bags of them. That should give me 12 to work with. It's only a few screws to replace them which makes it pretty easy to do on the fly when out running at the track.
CCxRC I managed to find a local shop that stocks the helion truggy parts so grabbed two bags of the bushes.. went out today to a bigger bmx track and the bushes didn't break.. I did manage to destroy the wheelie bar and the main chassis though.. ( driver error) the video of the offending crash is on my channel if you want to check it out.. even with the damages it's still a great rc that will be repaired asap!
oh snap! Going to look now. Luckily...you can pick up the Helion chassis. but wow. Wheelie bars are just a part waiting to be broken. lol
Another great video Tony! I have one of these on the way. After seeing how hard you bash it and how much fun your having I couldn't pass it up! I'll order up a few spares.
+RCcrazed awesome! Check over the screws and your gear mesh. I'd also blue locktite the screws and grub screws in metal
hey man, so i have the Helion Select 10sc the short course version. The truck shares a ton of parts with the VKAR Bison. Identical chasis, drive train, shock mounts and such. I have a video im about to upload addressing my issues with the truck after owning it for a year. I had to smile when you said you replaced the front bushing on the hinge pin. Those plague me. lol You may want to look into the oil in your center dif. It may be too thick causing you to strip those spur gears. I just went through and changed all the oil in all three difs. Makes a huge difference.
I also have some of those bushing for the hinge pins if you want them. I'll be happy to get them to you. I keep a ready supply of the things that go wrong with this car.
Thanks for the info Michael! I just looked at the Helion Select 10SC today at Hobbytown. Good looking SC truck. I picked up some of the bushings from there as well. I have 5 now and 3 packs on order from Alieexpress...so I'm good. But thanks for the offer! :) Also picked up an extra spur gear and tail fin mount to be safe. I will say, the shocks and shock towers look smaller, but I'm guessing the bolt and spacers are the same. Should've got more of those too. Luckily most of these are simple and inexpensive fixes to keep it going. I'll take a look at the diff oil next. What weight did you use?
I put 20,000 in the front and rear and 10,000 in the center.
nice hob Tony.. All cars need repairs no matter what you run.. although I think that little plastic piece is a bit chinsy... thumbs up bud.. thanks for sharing 🖒🖒
It is chinsy, but it's $3 for 4 of them and a much nicer break point than an a-arm. lol. The way I hit...I expected a broken arm. This is way cheaper and easier to fix. Got 3 bags of them on the way. :)
Actually that is a good point.. :P
I'm new to RC's and wanted to say thanks for your videos and help.
Glad to hear you like them and they are helpful. It's a super fun hobby
Already ran across the spur gear problem that you mentioned! If it wasn't for you I would not know what to do since I'm new at this!
Many thanks!
Hey Tony, love your channel. I've had the Bison for about 3 or 4 months now and the only problem so far is the front arm holder plates bending easily. If you bash the front of car at the right angle and force. I've replaced both of these and also the metal parts that go around the front hub carrier that hold the arm holder plates in place. No problems since then, but any advice or suggestions on how to prevent that from happening again? Thanks, Lio!
Don't crash? :) I usually bend mine back into place if it gets bent on a hard crash. This is where I say that metal upgrades aren't always better. Plastic flexes and returns to its original shape (or breaks), but metal bends and stays bent.
I tried changing the spur gear on my bison just like you showed in your video, but I ran into some issues. Firs, I could not set the correct gear and motor mesh to match up. Only two of the wheels on the bison now spin. The second issue, As soon as I apply throttle, I can smell a burning odor. I'm not entirely sure what it is. But I think it could be the new spur gear being stipped by the pinion gear on the motor? When I stop applying throttle, the smell goes away. The third issue is that I cannot figure out what screw goes where. Just like you mentioned in your video, I tried to put the screws in the same position as when I removed them from the car, but I managed to, no pun intended, screw that up. Any thoughts as to the burning smell and spur to pinion gear matching up? Any help will be greatly appreciated. I should mention that I am a newbie at this whole hobby. Plus, I've never been mechanically inclined. if there is a way to screw up, I can find it.
How important is adjusting the pinion-spur mesh once you have the axle in place? Also, do you have to apply any grease to it? Thanks
You've convinced me. I ordered 2 little vortex by WL toys & was impressed by their speed & so by mid-week of the following week of having received them I wanted something bigger. My buddy who apparently has like a $2000 car told me not to buy these cheap Chinese knock offs. Because sourcing parts & shipping & such. However with this Bison you have convinced me that it would make a great Learner car. It will be my very 1st big rc & I (since I'm-experienced ) will not be driving this thing to a skate park & immediately flipping it or hitting hi jumps. Hopefully by the time I get it & learn it everything will be squared away with the parts issues. Thanks for the boost of interest & helping with ur research. I'm going to order this thing today after work. & in a week myself & 3 year old son will be enjoying a day on a hardball field just driving away having fun. Thanks again.
Glad to hear it Michael! Parts availability is definitely the main selling factor for me. I let one of the guys at the local hobby shop use it in a competition and everyone was floored by it. Things will break. It happens, but you can get most parts easily in the US for it. I talked to Gearbest last week because of all the interest and asked if I could get a discount code to use on my channel. If you use: CCxRC during check out, you can save 10% on it.
If you use this link to buy, it helps out my channel as I am an affilliate with them now: bit.ly/VKAR_BISON
Also, I just got a new WLTOYS Shortcourse truck to try out. It's a little bigger than the Vortex. Keep your eyes open for that review.
Thanks Michael and have fun RCing.
CCxRC how long does it take to arrive here in the states?
+Michael S. Hard to say. It varies. Anywhere from 10-20 days. Sometimes a bit longer. Sometimes I just pay the DHL express shipping rate...depending how much it is. That seems to get it here much faster.
CCxRC just ordered it, was going to have to wait until after work to place the order because my found were just shy of the closing cost but with ur discount code I was able to order it & get the insurance 👍.
Here's a tip I just learned from one of my experiences. After you order, go back and login. Then go to your orders. On the right, there is a "Dispatch Faster" button. For some reason, they typically wait 2-3 or more days to ship your order. Clicking this is supposed to prioritize your order. Not sure why they do this, other than the old way with online ordering had a built in processing time (like ebay sellers use).
Nice informative vid man. Always blows my mind how people won't do their own research on items and only take the word of one or two people as to how good something is. Then they want to blame someone else when they decide what they bought wasn't worth it. Thanks for posting.
It's all good. Glad you found the video useful.
Thanks for the heads up, waiting for mine to arrive. By the way did you happen to check the fluids in the shocks and diffs? Just curious if they were full and viscosity levels. Thanks
I didn't, but I do know that some people have said the diffs need an a change. My shocks felt sweet out of the box so I didn't check. Honestly, to get this out and make videos, I didn't strip it down. I'm going for the out of box experience people can expect. Then I'll dial it in.
Must admit am having issues with mine also. Maiden run on 2S and a defective Servo and 3 seized bearings. Quick and easy fix. However I can't work out my cogging issue on startup though.
But I love the versatility of 2-4S and if you do a proper post run check and maintain it as you should all rigs it'll do the job! I have put a review of sorts in a Bison thread on the rcgroups forum if you're interested. 😎
Interesting about the cogging. I'll check out the review.
Could you please show how it actually comes apart. I can not pull it away from the body/ drive shaft as the other half of the spur gear is in the way of me pulling it away. I got 4 minutes use from this waste of money before I heard grinding the second time I brought it out. the first time was fine as I ran the battery down no problem, no jumps or anything, just driving. I just wanted to know how to take it apart so when the spur gear is available again online I can buy a few and replace it
Hei, i`m an 60 year "young boy" getting in to RC. From Norway, i depend on guys like you telling about RC vehicles, how to, why and so on...are someone complaining on you??Never mind them...you`r doing great, so continue as you do. I can get Helion spurgear on Ebay for $6.45 + $18.24 shipping..so i hope Banggood, where i bought it, soon get spareparts..thumbs up
Check AlieExpress. I got free shipping on spare parts from them...just have to wait 30 days or so. These are my first experience with unknown brands, but I'm honestly loving this one. I walked into my hobbytown today and bought a bag of the arm bushings, another spur gear, and rear fin support (just in case). Got it all for $15. Going to try the rear fin on the JLB 21101 to see if it will fit the one I broke. Here's hoping
thanks..
Hope you make new videos of the Bison when you have new experiences..
after my first test drive with the bison I noticed alot of front tire ballooning so I checked the diffs and all 3 only had a little grease works alot better with some heavy diff oil in the center diff.
Good deal! Always got to double check RTR when things seem a little wonky. Never know how it was assembled....unfortunately.
very nice video 👌 I'm adding this one to my collection shortly.
+RC JOE cool man! This has become my favorite RC
you can get a Steel spur gear 52T on a web site call gear best that is were I go my bison from
Nice video. I'm just curious, why buy this over the Helion? Does VKar offer warranty services like Helion?
+Theibault just that it's $200 cheaper.
+CCxRC I think the Helion is probably worth the extra for the motor, esc, receiver and transmitter it comes with, but if you are on a budget...a $330 brushless truggy powerhouse seems like a deal. And the few problems I have had seem like they would be the same for the Helion since those parts are similar.
What's the cost difference?
+Theibault on sale...the Bison has dropped to $277. The Helion Four 10TR is $500
CCxRC That's a bit of difference. :)
Nice Video, by experience. Provided the Spur gear is made of good quality nylon plastic and always checked for a proper mesh, It will outlive a metal spur gear. A metal spur gear seem logically a more durable alternative but a metal spur gear will alway wear out your pinion gear a lot faster. And pinion gear is more expensive than a plastic spur gear.
Gotta revisit your video here, Tony - it looks like mine needs some repair 😄
Thx for the video, blew out my spur gear on 4s,
the A arm bushes break when the Allen screws loosen on the retaining plate which allows the arm pin to pull out. lock-tite them in and no more problems.
thanks for the info and the tip!
Hey man, I have a question. My bison did not turn left and sometimes it run by itself for a lil bit. Do you think is the receiver or the ESC?
Hard to say. I’d check the controller/receiver first. If it won’t turn left, it may be that an impact messed up the servo.
Sorry for all the questions man . I️ hope you have time to answer another one ! what battery size and type do you recommend running in the bison? Can you put to large of a 3s one in it that could cause damage? If so where would be a good stopping point ?
Thanks a lot for your time
Hey Cole, it can handle 3S. The larger it is in Mah rating is really just capacity. That just means it will last longer. No 3S should be too much power for it. I think that 3S 5000mah 50C batteries work awesome in it.
CCxRC thanks for the reply. I just wanted to make sure the esc would be able to take the power from any 3s battery.
CCxRC I️m having a little bit of a problem with not having the same turning radius both ways. I️ have turned the transmitter and car off in the wrong order a few times. Could this be the problem and how can I️ fix it??
Did you crash it into anything with one of the tires? it may be that the servo gears got messed up. Shouldn't be your on off order. My kids just messed up my Zombie servo crashing into the fence too many times. Does it drive straigth when the steering setting on the remote are near the 0 point (mid-point). If the steering arm was not centered when attached...that could make it off
CCxRC I️ haven’t hit anything hard that I know of. Even when I️ drove it the first time I️ had to adjust the steering trim a little. I️ took the Servo arm off and re centered the arm and it may be a little better but still doesn’t have the turning radius to the right like I️ want it to
Awesome video mate. Would you happen to know where I can find replacement spuregear for the Vkar Bison online that ship to Australia?
All good mate just found the right parts on eBay thanks to your video.
+RC “SVRC” Vella eBay, Aliexpress and banggood have parts for it.
RC Vella might be to late bro but Hobby Station nz got vkar parts,proably closer and faster for u in oz
How has the Zombie 8E been holding up for you?
Man I just got mine today and would you know the front/four wheel drive quit working and the rear is slipping badly. I don't see how to adjust it, any suggestions?
Glad you got it sorted.
Thank you for this excellent video
What if you used the Spur Gear Of metal Are cause any problem
I ordered a metal spur. Just waiting for it to arrive
Please help me tell me where I can find one
say what you will about the gen 1 cheetah, it comes with all metal gears and that bulletproof aluminum chassis. not without its shortcomings tho!! keep up the good work!
That it does! Never ran one of those. Only gen2 and I like it.
Howdy Tony! Nice blog!! Just have one question for you as to the cordless driver setup you were using in the video. I noticed that is was a Ryobi driver, however, what combination of a Bit Set were you using. Would like to have the same setup. Thanks. Keep up with the great Blogs!
Regards,
WatchDog1776
+WatchDog1776 thanks man! I sure do love this setup. It an Integy Hobby RC Model C23303 7pcs Hex Tip Set w/ 1/4 Inch Adapter (0.05 1.5 1/16 5/6... www.amazon.com/dp/B00XQPLOFQ/ref=cm_sw_r_sms_c_api_GR6jzbGF0FGG0
Can you recommend any other model at that price point ? How does the Bison compare to the REMO Hobby 8065 ?
At this price...the similar Helion Select Four 10TR at Hobbytown is a good price. The DHK Zombie is one of my favorite at this price point. Can' flip like the Bison and isn't as fast...but it's awesome.
thanks for the advice, much appreciated
Hi great vids. My bison will not reverse do you know what the problem would be?
It could be something with the ESC. It might be in 'race" mode which disables reverse.
You can put a steel spur in here. This truck is the same as the T2M PIRATE FURIOUS and they made a steel spur 52T, it will probably fit since it is the same chassis
+Timothée Liens thanks for the tip! There is a steel spur for this too, but it requires an upgrade to the center diff
CCxRC
Don't make that mistake my man.
The plastic spur is there for a reason, because if there's some problem in the gear mesh or anything similar, the damage will be limited to the plastic spur ONLY.
A steel spur will just transfer motion anyhow and mess with your diffs.
Hi
I hope you can help me my bison will not cotect to my controller, what is the wiring like on the car. reciver
Please help only played with it a few time.
Hello I just got my bison as well but not sure on the transmitter what's the switches on the left hand side of the transmitter what do they do??? Could you help please
I think those are just reverse switches for turning and throttle. Once it is set, you shouldn’t have to worry about them.
There are good news for those VKAR BISON owners since metallic spun gear as well as chassis are available in the market. These optional parts are much worthy for upgrading.
+Tsang Daniel so glad to see the metal chassis brace
have you found a metal replacement for this spur gear yet? i chewed mine up as well lol
Shane's Oddworld I think so. Still waiting for it to arrive from Aliexpress.com
Shane's Oddworld pretty sure it requires a center diff upgrade as well
awesome let me know how you go and please post a vid once its done if possible :) i'm currently working on a solution to those stupid end caps i have the gear now just need to time to build it and test it once that is done if it works i'll post a vid and share you you as well if like me your tired of that arm popping out lol
Depends on how you drive em and conditions. They are made for fun too
I noticed you do not have the drive shaft cover. the part is not on helions part list for the 10tr but it is on the 10sc part list. I bought it and covered mine because dirt git into my gear mess and chewed mine up too.
I do not. I had not see the 10SC one. I'll have to try that out.
CCxRC the parts list for the SC also shows a few more aluminium upgrades like the arms and front hub/spindle. I am not sure if they can be used in the tr.
The arms are much smaller in the SC truck
I just ordered the bison paid 313 for it.. I'm just getting it for cruising around the yard and stuff with kids and wifey.. It was between bison and jlb cheetah.. Seems like Alot of opinions here said cheetah the way to go.. What do you think? Cheetah or Bison? Seems like the bison breaks down in short period of time... Dang...
I have more fun with tehI have more fun with the Bison, but there are parts that will break on it if you hit a tree or curb at a decent speed. What I like is that I can easily get parts for it from the Helion version. My Cheetah is only 2WD right now and I've got to wait for parts. With teh Bison, I just go to Hobbytown or order them Helion parts from Amazon. So it really comes down to preference. The cheetah is stronger...but when something goes wrong...there is a wait period for parts.
CCxRC Thanks so much for your amaziness and reply! I definitely won't be doing any bashing like you.. Lol.. Just cruising around yard and field and such.. So chances are quite a bit less.. Appreciate all you do! God bless you bro!! I subscribed!!
hey i wanted to ask when did u get it and how long did u have it for does it still run like does the esc and motor still work?
I've had it for about 4 months and abused it like no other RC. I did just crack the chassis, but already replaced it. I'm also adding a chassis stiffener to prevent that from happening again. But I'm jumping it 20+ feet off huge BMX jumps. The motor and ESC are still going strong...as is the Servo. I've probably broke about $30 in parts during that time.
lol im watching your videos they are awesome I really hope this thing goes down in price a little i want this or the jlb cheetah but what do u think is better jlb or bison and I don't really bash i take my rcs pretty serious so yah i don't jump it I usually just go up and down the hill and sometimes just. drive around the yard but never crazy jumping lol
Jiggly puffs I think it's $259 right now. Not sure it will go much lower than that. Hard to find something for that price with these features and this speed. Haha
how much mph are you getting
not sure about the speed. I don't have a speedometer for it yet.
hey thanks for the link and video for the spur gear
+Jeremiah Mejias glad it was helpful!
Have you found any metal spur gear I'm having the same problem with the plastic ones
+heroid bytyqi I have ordered a new center diff and steel spur for it from Aliexpress. The steel diffs don't fit on the stock center diff.
CCxRC is it this one ? m.aliexpress.com/s/item/32760345318.html
+heroid bytyqi according to the manual that came with the Bison...yes. But you still have to buy the steel spur to go on it I believe. Still waiting for mine to verify.
Hi Tony. What diff oil viscosity would u recommend? Seems like center diff is the only one has oil in it, others have grease like. Thx.
Yeah...a lot of RTR cars come with grease in the diffs. From what I've read...that is comparable to 1k wt. For the center...the heavier you go will send more power to the rear...this will help stop ballooning the front tires, but at some point it will also not let you corner as well. I'd go somewhere around 7k or 10k for the center.
CCxRC . Thx. Most recommended 7-10-3k. I'll try that. Just wanted ur opinion because u drive the hell of it. 😂
Haha. I’m not trying to get crazy performance from mine...just power and big air! Lol. That is recommended. Some doe 7-10-5 if it’s really loose coming out of corners
CCxRC . I'm kinda new to RC. Just wanna have a little fun, nothing crazy, yet. Maximus should b here today, I hope. Also purchased Vkar short course truck, should b here next week. Thx for all ur vids.
which is more durable this one or jlb cheetah newer version
Ashish Amatya most parts of the JLB / Cheetah are more durable. I don't care for their lower arms that sometimes twist, but other than that it is pretty durable. I like the DHK Zombie for what I do.
Hello bro I have the vrracing bison v2 but my pinon keeps slipping out
CAN SOMEONE HELP ME? My Bison is new i drove it for a day or two. It wont reverse anymore. It does brake but wont reverse PLEASE HELP
+Lachie Porter if you are on Facebook, search VKAR Bison and join the group page. Lots of helpful people in there. Then you can post pictures of the transmitter you received with yours
Well after much abuse I broke the arm bushing and sheared the arm holder in which that holds the arm bushing and the arm pin. Order the parts from the Helion four 10TR . The arm holder and bushing fit the Bison!! In doing so I went ahead and checked the diff, There was very little grease or fluid in there so I cleaned and filled it with 30k diff fluid, good to go again. Gonna check rear diff next.
Very cool Dan! The Helion parts will work because this is the "factory" version of it, so parts should be no problem. Hope you were having fun with it when the carnage happened. :)
What if you printed the bushings from a softer fill so it had some flex to it and didn't break? Still waiting on mine to arrive from China. Just thinking ahead.
Mine didn't actually break, it just spread the opening so much the pin kept popping out. So it might be too soft already.
Ahh, okay. Got ya.
We tried to go online on hobby town and put in the item numbers from video and did not come up? for the v car bison...
Kristy Peterson the parts are for the Helion Four 10TR. I have a link in the video description for the Helion page. Under support link there is a manual for it. Use those part numbers on hobbytown. What part do you need?
are the parts expensive?
I'm ready to go bash when ever your down! It's a bummer that it's supposed to be so cold this weekend! Just looking at the Rc's plastic parts they'd probably break!
I'm all for a Snow Run. May not go as big though due to plastic parts.
Hey question, Can i put a 4s Battery 45c 5200mah in my Vkar bison.?
If it fits, it should be ok. Many people run theirs in 4s. I don’t do it very often. It’s crazy enough for me on 3s
will jlb spur fit on this?
hey this my first time and I been looking at videos and I really want this car I always liked rc cars and I really like the bison and I like your videos man keep it up
Thanks. It's a pretty awesome RC that doesn't break the bank.
So my center differential on my bison v2 has too much play. I took it apart and the shaft that goes go to the rear has too much play and when running it grinds like crazy. Upon closer inspection I know it aint the rear inclosed differential but the whole assembly that's connect with the spur gear. I tried looking for a complete differential drivetrain with no luck. The helion website only sells them by piece but not a complete one any suggestions. Thanks
I ordered this one and a metal spur gear to test it out. Still waiting for it to arrive. www.aliexpress.com/item/Rc-car-VKAR-Bison-Short-Truck-Mount-Upgrade-Kit-MA601-Central-Differential-Vicat-V1-V2-Available/32760345318.html
CCxRC I did see that one but it seems like it wasn't going to work, but like you said it's worth a try. I found this one off the helion website but it's for the short course truck www.amazon.com/Helion-HLNS1064-Center-Complete-410SC/dp/B01D8XHW4C
In theory that should work too. This center diff is listed in the optional parts in the Bison manual. That's why I went with it even though it says their SC Truck. Should've pulled the Helion SC truck to get it locally. haha. This style should support a metal spur
CCxRC The only thing I see missing on the helion sc truck drivetrain is the bearings that fit in between the rear differential. For the one you order where can I find the missings parts like the gearing. Thanks again for all your help and feedback.
+pedronova74 looks like mine may have arrived today!
We're can I find the spur gear I'm in Uk
hello ,dose anyone knows where to get the frame for bison, hit a car and cracked the frame in half .
Thanks for the video great as always as far as the people complaining, they should stop 🛑 that’s what is great about the hobby!!! Run+bash+fun=fix&repeat!!!!
I trust your recommendation every single time!!!
Thanks 🙏
Very good job , nice explanation !!
thanks buddy
I purchased the VKAR BISON Dec. 11, 2016 from Banggood. It was delivered the Dec. 29, 2016. I charged the battery and installed it in the Bison, and that is as far as I have gotten. Nothing happened the lights did not come on or anything. Thinking that maybe I needed to turn on the controller and try to bind it with the Bison, I put in new batteries in the controller and turned it on. Well nothing happened, I could not even get the controller to come on. Here is my question - does the Bison have a power switch to turn it off and on? If yes then that is my problem with the Bison, because there is no, I repeat no power switch (on/off switch) what so ever on my Bison. The controller is another problem. It does not look like the controller in the manual and all of the controllers I see on RUclips are the same and mine does not look like them. I have tried and tried to get some support from Banggood without any success. From watching your videos, I have come to the conclusion that you can point me in the right direction. Thank you for any information you can give me.
+Dronefliertoo Waller just getting back from being away after having a tooth pulled. 1. There should be an on/off switch. 2. The receiver may be different. Seen several different transmitters which probably have different receivers. 3. Join the Facebook VKAR Bison group for input from others who may have the same transmitter and receiver you have. Though it should've been bound and ready to drive on arrival.
Hi! Need some help! I broke my left rear suspension arm and I noticed I broke my pin as well. Where can I buy one?? HELP!!!
www.amazon.com/Helion-HLNS1202-Suspension-Rear-Four/dp/B01MA0CYBI/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1503499689&sr=8-2&keywords=helion+four+10tr+arm
and I believe the pin you want is in the HLNS1267 which can be purchased here: helion-rc.com/Select/Four10TR/parts.asp
Thank you so much! Also, have you found a metal spur gear, if so where?
I think the pin is different, it's the one closer to the diff not the tire but I got it off Ali express
Hello went threw a little puddle now is not working turns on but dosnt work can any one help
I charger battery for vkar bison and I also charge battery for the remote soon as I try to run it the car shut down on me and the green light was blinking any advise would be appreciate
Hmmm. It sounds like the battery might not have fully charge. Hard to say without seeing it.
Broh my bison won't go it's like slipping or sum it js t won't go all my gears are Gud can u help me please
I agree I own one. It's been great to me. Yes it's broke but I beat on it and all of my RC have been beat and broke. My Bison doesn't break more than any of my other RCs
These just go faster and flip more than a lot of RCs. So it has more potential to break. :)
I really appreciate your video, my boys and I have been sad since our Bison is having issues after the 2nd run and we had no ideas what's wrong. At first it made loud noise which I think was from the spur gear, now it won't move at all but we hear the motor running. It could also be the motor gear which I will check out first per your advice. I didn't bash the truck at all though I'm also new to the hobby grade RCs. Btw, may be you can make a quick video about useful tools for RCs - those basic L shape allen wrenches are not the easiest to work with after some time. Again, huge thank you for your video and I'll be checking out your other videos as well.
Sorry to hear about the problems with your Bison. These things are becoming notorious for shipping with a bad gear mesh that causes the plastic spur gear to get destroyed. I can do a video about the tools I use, but there are only a few specialty tools I use. RC Network has a ton of Tool Tuesday videos showcasing RC tools. I'll do a quick all-in-one video that shows the main tools I use on a regular basis. Good idea.
Also, I ordered a new center differential that can old a steel spur gear. Still waiting on it to arrive (it's been about 2-3 weeks already) from Aliexpress. I'll post a video about it if it works out.
CCxRC - Btw, I can't seem to get the gear mesh cover off, it's just one screew, right? Ok, got it out finally. Man, you're right all these gears are bone dry - what the heck are they thinking? So, is silicone gear ok for this gear mesh? I think my spur is worn as well. Thanks!
jowowetan don't remember...I thought 2. I'll take a look tomorrow. It's an odd fit though and takes some work.
No worries, I think I'd rather not mess around with it since it's still within a return period. I believe I received a lemon unit so I'm waiting from GearBest at the moment. If not, I will file a chargeback through Paypal.
I finally realized what the problem was with my car and you pretty much nailed it. The mesh wasn't properly lined up and that gear was bone dry just like the spur, my spur wasn't that bad though I ordered the new part. I put 50K oil, adjusted the mesh and everything is now smooth. Once again, thank you for this video!
Here is probably the next thing that you will need for the car. I have already seen a video of another owner of this car break his servo after a couple of runs. My Bison has broken on almost every run. First was the lost pin, then the Arm hinge bushing now it is the Servo. Total run time on this car is about 45 minutes max. I have never gone through an entire battery without the car breaking and I have not jumped the car once. It has flipped a couple of times on grass but that is it. My ACME 1/16 has seen extensive abuse that I could not imagine the VKAR taking and it was $79.00 off of Bangood.com. Excellent Basher. I also have the equivalent to the ACME which is the Hobbyking Bad Basher but that has been Okay. I got way more runs out of that car before I had a few issues with it, unlike the VKAR. Even my $63.00 WLToys A959b has been a way more durable and fun car. Of course they are a different scale and class but still. I guess that you really flip a coin when you purchase an RC. Sometimes you get a good one from the factory and sometimes they are nothing but problems from the factory. Quality assurance might be the downfall for VKAR on this one. I think that the hinge pin design needs to be addressed and they need to ship this car with a better Servo and Spur gear. The VKAR has been nothing but problems since day one for me especially since Gearbest sent me the car without a battery. Well, here is the Servo that I got off of Amazon. Once again, thank you for your videos. You are doing an awesome job. Have fun RC-ing!!!!
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00DQQNV1A/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
P.S.
I have also heard that if your local Hobby Town carries the Helion Four 10TR or the 10SC, they might have parts.
Bummer Dexter. Sounds like you have had a tough go with it for sure. I'll tell you what...those little WLTOYS cars are amazing and so much fun to mess around with. I have a feeling that the slipper clutch isn't set to be forgiving on the spur gear from factory....but we get impressive wheelies that way. :) I'm planning to loosen mine up a bit until I can get a better spur gear.
How do you like the Savox servo in this car? Does it feel underpowered for the big wheels on this?
The Damn Servo is too big!!! Any suggestions????
Would recommend going with the 80A esc rather than the 120A because of the plastic spur gear??
Nope, you will probably just burn the 80A ESC because it is not enough for the Stock motor.
Hi, i just got my Bison and after a while of running, the motor just stops if i turn the esc off and turn it back on it will work for only a couple seconds, theres a blinking red light on the esc when it happens but i can still turn the wheels. Please help!
You say, after a while of running....how long? It sounds like the LiPo cutoff when your battery runs low.
yeah i think it was but the battery died very quickly.
how hot is the motor or esc can you touch it or is it to hot
I have replaced four of the bushings...my fault due to crashes. Two broke and the others popped out. I got a bag of four from Hobby Town (Helion bushings...worked perfect). They had them in stock.
Oh...and thanks for all the videos and all the help. I don't feel led astray at all because I love this thing! I have not had to replace the spur gear yet, but when I do, I sure would like to have a metal one! Happy New Year!
Tinstar2 thanks for the tip! I'll have to check my local shop. Online they are backordered everywhere in the US. It's a bit of a weird design. Traxxas did something similar with the xmaxx with plastic pieces holding in pins and I've had to replace those as well. Makes it easy to work on, but has some drawbacks as well. Probably saves the a-arm from breaking 😆
Tinstar2 glad to hear you are having fun with it! Aliexpress does have a steel spur gear for it, but it doesn't look the same. I have one on order to test the fit before I recommend it. May just require a bit more disassembly of the center diff to get it on. Definitely doesn't twist over like this one does. I've seen full center diff replacements with the steel spur and the mount for it is different. Hopefully this mount will still line up.
Tinstar2 I'm taking the old one up to a hobby shop to look at other 32p 52t spurs and see if any look like they'll fit.
Cool. Hope you find something! Appreciate your help.
is the bison waterproof stock?
I don't fully trust it, but it claims to be.
ok ill take ur word and not drive it through puddles
so....i just broke the servo rod on my bison and they are currently out of stock. does anyone know of anothe part that may fit from another rc?
Hi Caleb, were you looking up Helion parts? If it is the servo rod, you should be able to get something threaded that you can adjust the length of. If you use Facebook, there is a Facebook Group for the VKAR Bison where you can post photos and ask questions. Lots of people finding parts and fixes there.
im not on facebook...was just hoping someone had already had the same issue with resolution. got my steel spur in along with the center diff, but have not installed. how bout you
I charge the battery on Sunday and when put it on the charger it only charger for 10 minutes I might have get a new battery and start with the first thanks man
how did you get the spur gear apart from the drive shaft??? you skipped that part!!....im having a HELL of a time!!..
0:17 that happened to me like 5 times I’m getting a new part for it
How similar is this to the Helion Four 10TR? what is different about it?
The roller is identical. The Helion has nicer electronics (motor, ESC, receiver, transmitter and servo), but this one does pretty well with what it has. Not sure who builds the Helion RTR, but like most, it is best to check screws and gear mesh to make sure you don't have any issues on the first run.
If i could pick up the Helion for $599 and i could pick up the Bison for $430 what would you lean towards. What im saying is - is the $170 worth the upgrade?
That's the difference we have. It's $500 for the Helion and $330 for the Bison. That's a tough call. Depends what your budget is. If I was spending $599, I'd probably look at an ARRMA.
But the Bison is really good in the low price budget. One of my favorite cars I own. Right now it is up there with my X-maxx at the top 2
Cool - Thanks for you advice mate!
very good.was looking for someone who would show how to fix the front arm piece because mine broke off and is still sitting there because I don't have the piece and don't know how to fix it.ANY WHO THANKS
+karl timmo is it the plastic arm bushing?
CCxRC yes it is
Luckily it's cheap. Unfortunately it's hard to find right now. I have one and I'm going to use it as a reference to try to get a 3D print sketched up
CCxRC cool man good luck keep making these videos very helpful and no one makes these types so yeah
Hey can you upgrade the bison spur gear to an Traxxas stamped steal gear work.
Rc Flyer not easily. The mount is different, so it would take a lot more than just switching the spur gear.
I just replaced it with a VKAR steel spur gear
No slipper clutch? why it's breaking the gears if it don't have one.
It does have a slipper clutch. You put a hex key in it and then rotate the rear wheels to tighten or loosen it.
CCxRC O good... Then adjust it correctly and your gears should not get messed up...I always here guy's saying there gears break all the time ( even in cars that I owned) but they never adjust there slipper clutch and just leave it fully locked down so of curse your gears are going to fail.
slipper clutch...that's what it's there for why not use it right?
Don't know how you have it adjusted but I would definitely plat around with it.
Don't take this the wrong way not being a smart ass just saying it because most guy's buy a RC and just run it out of the box and don't properly adjust the slipper unit I found.
I will admit that I didn't adjust mine...even though I knew better.
CCxRC when I had mine apart I didn't see any slipper clutch I think if it has the center diff there is no slipper i could be wrong but I think there's two versions one with slipper and one with center diff but like I said I could be wrong.
I saw it in the manual, but I honestly don't remember seeing it when I pulled it out. So it might be the pro model that has it. I know there are two version of the the center diff.
My Bison broke the third time I took it out. No crazy jumps or anything. It just stoppped turning. I have to take it apart to figure out exactly whats going on, but from first look it looks like something is stripped. Im so sad.
endz4twizz check from the servo to the front end to make sure everything is intact. Hopefully servo is ok. Also make sure it didn't come unplugged at the receiver.
Ill take it apart and keep ya posted. Im not well versed with these things, This is my first RC car. If the servo is the the little stearing control motor I think thats ok. Its what that connects to that kinda looks stripped, but I wont know tilli get a better view.
So I made a video and posted it on the FB group and it looks like my servo arm is stripped or loose. Thanks for showing your viewers that group btw. Your video is the reason I bought this car. I know friends that have Traxxas E Revos and they break all the time. All these RC cars break and I expected that much from a hobby grade RC car. So now I have to figure out how to get to this screw, wish me luck....lol.
+endz4twizz if that's all it is, you should be able to get a replacement pretty easily. Are you in the US?
Yup. Florida.
The car is actually pretty easy to fix I noticed the little Allen screws come loose after a few times of driving but overall the car is pretty rugged
I'm using Carter pin for instead of factory pins my stearin isn't working though
If steering isn’t working, I’d try a new servo. A lot of people use the DS 20kg servos on Amazon. They are cheap, but have metal gears
I suggest if replacing spur gear, check diffs. I checked and serviced all 3 diffs and the rear had no fluid. Just traces of grease. The center wasn't much better. After filling all diffs with diff fluid, it's a different and better Bison. Just saying.
Good tip!
That's funny I beat the he'll out of mind and it keeps going. Love the car
Awesome! Glad to hear it. I’ve only had a few problems...the latest is a cracked chassis. Need to replace it. I have the part
Good luck I bought it new stripped the spurr gear three or four years ago and still haven't drove it
hobbystation out of new zealand offers a steel spur gear if you buy with the entire center diff, they also offer the extreme version of the bison....whick comes with a steel spur and 4s lipo....smaller motor though. I have one on order.
+Caleb Phelps I saw those, but wasn't sure about the shipping. Ordered some from Aliexpress
Hey Bison owners,
There is a Facebook group that was create for VKAR Bison / Helion Four 10tr people to share info related to these vehicles. Great spot for us all to collaborate beyond RUclips Comments. facebook.com/groups/167329297082070/
hey I'm looking to get a bison but gearbest is the only spot I can find it and some people are saying they never sent their item and I don't really want to pay $300 to a website I don't know is safe
Ask on the FB page for the VKAR Bison. I've not had any issues other than it can take a while for some shipments. The longest I've waited is 20 days, but I've never had anything now arrive. I have heard of them not accepting payment, but I use PayPal and haven't had a problem there either. I'm guessing some Credit Cards may hesitate on the international web order thinking it is suspicious...but I don't know.
sorry I'm new here but what is the FB page?
fb = facebook
wehe I can buy the spur gear for this car
If you want to put 17mm wheels on. Get the JLB Cheeta CVD Part. NO:EA1061. It's a perfect fit for 17mm tires.Been messing with the Bison. I hate the front end on the Bison!!! It's garbage.
Cool video and car, just a pity that my broke in half during the first drive. I do not know what you sent from this store and how he is able to eligible for the discount, such whips. Because my he capitulated after a meeting with a small curb. Housing broke the udeżeniu him at a speed not exceeding 20 Km / h.
I sincerely advise against buying this car!
+Bakak HCGaming I advise against hitting curbs. You notice I hardly run mine on streets. It's hard on them. Curbs are going to break any rc. Don't rule this out because of it. Luckily...parts are very easy to get and are cheap.
you'll find the best prices on ebay under helion four 10tr. amazon has crazy high prices right now.
I need a battery for Vkar bison
Is it a Tekno? No, it's not but it's a good car. It has decent parts support, not Team Associated level but good. It has good plastics, it has good electrics. If I were to rate it I'd rate it a 7.5 out of 10. Maybe it should score higher when you take into account the price.
I'd go with you on the 7.5 or 8 out of 10. It's not perfect, but considering the price...it's gets a higher score. It sure does rip and handles so well. I've never run a Tekno. :)
I found Carta pins are actually better to use then the pins just drill threw the plastic bushings way better than the factory design you can get at any home Depot
That's a great tip. Thanks for sharing