I have noticed that any time I even skim the issue of "list-building" or faction-specific mechs, I get flooded by people telling me I don't need to, who all seem to neglect one simple fact: That I want to.
Another note to 40K refugees... Welcome aboard; do not talk about aliens. There are good reasons for the lack of aliens. If you want the long lecture about why we don't want aliens, feel free to ask. We do not want aliens. Just... Don't talk about aliens.
some points of interest between battletech and 40k; battletech was introduced as Battledroids in 1984. due to a George Lucas lawsuit, the game was renamed battletech in 1985. Warhammer 40k was introduced as Rogue Trader in 1987. the 2nd version rules renamed the game as Warhammer 40k. battletech is enjoying the 5th release of the basic rules. thru the 5 releases, nothing has been nerfed, restricted, removed or banned. there is a small corporate detail of the 'unseen' designs due to a lawsuit by Harmony Gold, but that didn't stop people from being able to use them. overall, you can set each of the 5 released rules sets next to each other and they are nearly identical. only a few clarifications and a couple of adjustments. thus, the term 'release'. GW has produced 10 versions of WH 40k. with each version, thereare significant changes to how the game plays. more importantly, various units were changed. this meant nerfs, restrictions, limited banning or outright removal. thru the 10 versions, the game turn sequence has remained basically the same. however, they way various units interact has changed with each version. some, to the point of being nearly unplayable. if you set each core book next to each other, they are not the same! there are some basic similarities, but the game play is significantly different, thus the term 'version'. when battletech began, the game was miniatures agnostic. the box set included paper cut-outs which changed to card stock cut-outs in later box sets. miniatures were originally 3rd party and are currently made by the CGL. WH 40k (Rogue Trader) was originally miniatures agnostic. the core book included pages at the back which were to be copied and cut out. those were the game pieces. as the miniatures became more prevalent and with the release of the 2nd version box set, miniatures started to dominate the game. after the 3rd released rules and box set, the tournament play popularity grew exponentially. by 4th release box set, miniatures agnostic was gone and the push for 'official product' miniatures took over. then, unit specific painting. while both games play very differently, the have some points of common ground. each has over 100 novels of stories and lore. both have a variety of video games. each provide a large variety of factions to explore with their unique histories and influence on the game. there are plenty of source books and material support. as I have experienced both games from the day they first landed on the store shelves (i still have my original Battledroids and Rogue Trader) my perspective is unique. i prefer the small unit tactics of 40k (1 commander and 1 or 2 squads of 10 troops). but i play battletech on a large scale (planetary invasion with fleets of warships down to landing craft and all the fighting units and support). they are both set in the 'grim dark' future of constant war. 40k is more of a 'one-off' game. where battletech plays best as a campaign with role-play aspects added.
Different business model and thats why Battletech never realy grew beyond a certain point. I became more and more cumbersome and just gets more bloated with the addition of more and more equipment. A rule refresh would perhaps have being a boon, also a refresh of the more and more dated Mech models. Battletech is everything but perfect or better then 40k, it is simply a different approach and it works for some better as a customer, in most cased those are grognards that can not handle change that well. B4 you get overly aggressive, I am also prone to that, it took me quite a while to get used to Clans and I am still mostly a 3rd/4th succession wars player. From a business point of view GWs business model works better. Battletech lingers on but will never grow and thats one reason why we will never have the same quality miniatures for Battletech that GW has.
BattleTech is still officially miniature-agnostic, Catalyst still puts out boxes full of cardboard cutouts and people make lots of alternative sculpts for 3D printing. Heck, hardly anyone has minis for infantry, just use pennies or something.
3rd/4th succession wars are IMO what drive off new players. They are a stale overly solved meta with battles taking forever on average because the mechs run hot. @@raphie8488
@@ObiwanNekody do you have the CGL book 'Alternate era's'? complete rules for LAMs. also when they were developed and the renewed efforts to develop them a second time. the game doesn't encourage them, but they were never removed. pg 11, 14, 22, 99-109, 190, 207 covers all aspects of game play. pg 186 BV pg 198-199 Battleforce
Sydney has the most pre-orders of any city in the world for the Mercenaries kickstarter. BT is growing every year, and with CGL at our backs I think the barren days might finally be over.
At Adepticon a few weeks ago, Battletech took a significant percentage of the tables that were used for 40K tournaments in past years. There was a big increase in BT games being played; it was very noticeable. 40K is getting squeezed by Battletech, Marvel Crisis Protocol and Star Wars games. GW probably has the largest slice of the pie at the con, but it’s a smaller slice each year lately.
Yes, with luck we can overturn the GW stranglehold. What we will need before we can do that however, is a dedicated company, or in-house CGL model printing. Sharing the use of Topps with other companies will make it harder to get reliable re-stocks. Not insurmountable, but there is a lot of patience required still. Still, it is a beautiful thing to behold.
@@danroberts007 Definitely a larger slice of the pie by GWs competition. For a long time GW faced but a single serious competitor at a time. But they still out $ BT, MCP & X-Wing combined. Yes, a lot of that is due to the competitions skirmish lvl & GWs massed battles bent. Even at that tho, I'd bet GWs skirmish games outsell BT/MCP/X-Wing. As long as the competition is coming at the market with '4 Models Per Side' & GW is selling outta boxsets with dozens of models... &, in my opinion & probably a majority of players, Alpha Strike just isn't Battletech. So I don't see AS as be the great CGL hope as competition in the massed battles arena. Helz, I think more would play an even 'crunchier' Solaris VII redux than AS currently draws.
Printing your own plastic things is becoming easier and easier everyday. Maybe they should just face the facts that their time may be running out it's not the first time technology has put companies out of business and it won't be the last.
Having a sense of exclusivity regarding the sculpts is nice, and there's still no 3d-printing material that is as supple and easily cuttable as used by the officials. I mod my minis before painting them so that little feature is very pleasant to me. That being said, I'm not necessarily the majority in doing so, and I totally understand wanting to just have a mini. Personally, I don't care if someone uses a MWO sculpt or whatever, as long as it's been painted. Even basecoated or just primed. That's just about having the standard of engagement for me.
Valid points! As someone who fell in love w/ MW in the early 90s & wanted to play BT it seemed hard to find a group without spending all my time at comic/game shops & so in the late 90s I got into 40k which was great, but even then the constant rule creep & especially the cost to build the army(ies) I wanted was just nuts especially as a husband & father with a rapidly growing family so I largely bought used. Well those armies got stolen & I moved & then stumbled into the MW heroclix which is a pale comparison of BT but rekindled my love for the universe as did the new MW4! Well time has passed & my love for MW & the memories of playing that & the clix game with my oldest son who is now 23 resulted in him sending me a pic of his new aGoAC box set so I decided after seeing how the community has grown, the fact I can use anything for a model & the ability to play long distance with my son finally got me into the OG BT. We have a great local community, but with how sensitive & antagonistic some people can be that can change in a heartbeat but you work with what you got & try to protect that. The fact that CGL really does a lot to make the barrier for entry so low is outstanding compared to GW especially the fact you don't need to have the exact model (WYSIWYG) or even have it painted is outstanding though I would add that whike it is a great way to get into the game or try your hand at new units before dropping the cash on them painted & accurate (enough) minis makes tge game not only easier & quicker to play but makes for a much more enjoyable gaming experience especially from an aesthetician standpoint because who doesn't want to see a table of even poorly painted giant stompy death robots! Anyways I'll get off my soapbox, but definitely encourage anyone on the fence to download the quick rules from CGL & give it a try whether you are new to tabletop wargaming or have enough 40k minis to put a kid through college. Thanks for a good video & look forward to checking out more of your content.
And apparently there is no more content! You did a good job on this & would like to see more content from you & your side of things even if it against the grain and a tad bit cynical at times like Arch does for 40k afterall we need to keep CGL & the community honest & with the rapid growth of both CGL & the community we need to make sure everyone remembers why we fell in love with this & we don't want another GW!
Indeed we don't. CGL has its own issues, but for those issues they do offer a good product. Remember, while it's good to just proxy the mechs at first, as you said, it's best to have something that looks the part eventually. Battletech offering the quick rules as a legit download is part of why they are good. There's a lot of resources out there for free too, which is the next video's topic: How to actually get started and the things to be aware of.
We don't want another company that makes a great fictional universe & outstanding minis? & GW releases free core rules too. In fact, they'll not only be releasing free core rules, but rules for every valid Fsction & Unit out there, for 10th edition. [To eventually be replaced by Codex's & other supplements, for sure, of course. But still free game wide rules to make 10e fully playable for all, from the start is no small thing!]
Releasing indexes so soon after Guard and World Eaters? Nah, nothing to see here. Astartes Codex #1/??? being busted and powerful against whatever mook is drawn out of the hat to be bad-tier all edition? Nah, it's all good. Some factions being stuck as Index all edition bar 3 months, to be rendered obsolete again when 11e releases? Nah, working as all games should Who cares if the AoS-level rules are free online? I could probably figure them out just by looking at a unit entry in the leaflet that comes with a box set now. The rule book itself will still cost over $80 and the codices not much less. Not to mention the intra-edition supplements that will keep the factions that might win despite not being Astartes from getting too big for their bones. Oh wait, let's also add another paid app that makes our army lists badly.
The best thing about Battletech is that you don't have to buy in to play its ruleset and learn it. Megamek is amazing. I learned so much from it, and would and DO recommend it to anyone who wants to learn how to paly the game. It takes the muss and fuss out of the game while also showing all the work it does for you.
That's great! I've heard a few people say it was a struggle, and I have a small pool of even semi-regular opponents, but it really do be that simple. Good work, my dude, glad to hear you spreading the good word... of blake.
I know that the Clan Invasion: Reinforcements box comes with a large array of stand-up punch-outs. They may not be the nice paintable minis, but it is a very low investment for entry and access to multiples of nearly ALL of the mech options. It was $23 as of the writing of this on the Catalyst webstore. Also, the open beta for the Mercenaries box has a variety of paper cutouts for support units and infantry. I don't know about you, but i've never seen a selection like this for less than potentially $50 investment, which would include the PDF copy of Total Warfare (with the most basic tier to the kickstarter for access to the free open beta files.
Kind of wondering if Henry Cavil will make the migration to the Battletech universe. I was never a 40k player myself, but I did know about it. Steiner scout squad ftw.
I doubt Cavill knows anything about the tabletop BT game. Maybe thru videogames but I doubt that too. He had plenty of time before monetizing his hobbies to shout out to BT.
There's a few documents that are filled to the brim with vehicles, then in later TROs they introduce more in a trickle. However, the minis nust don't sell as well for launching a re-brand so I get it. On the other hand, there's a LOT of 3d printing starting to happen and there's a plethora of STLs. I myself play with a lot of infantry and VTOLs, so there is a way to play without them at least, which is nice.
The Facebook community may or may not be like that, I don't hang out there. However the Reddit community is very welcoming especially to 40k players and we tend to be quite helpful to new players and people looking to get into the hobby. I've never seen anyone answer a question about what paint to get with "You don't need to paint!" if anything it's rather encouraged to start painting.
Exactly. Facebook will be the worst place to get started. Something to do with having our real names up, and having a marketplace tab. There'll be a video on this soon.
I Can't stand reddit or Redditors but the Battletech Reddit community has yet to raise my blood pressure like other parts of Reddit or social media in general for that matter
I haven't been there in a few years. There were a few whiny, bitchy Karens, but most people were pretty cool. One or two paint nazis, but that's about it.
@@rylian21 Well after the last time that GW shot themselves in the foot, with the whole TTS thing, with them trying to get Warhammer+ going, there was a rather large exodus of 40k players, and a lot of them ended up in the Inner Sphere. The Battletech sub grew by like 10% over the course of 2-3 days. The whole community has changed a bit, because suddenly there's a ton of really good painters, but people who didn't know much about the game or lore. So the sub really seemed to come together to help them all.
:grins: I started playing BattleTech in the mid-80's, first using stiff card with things like "Marauder" written on them, along with the Mech and pilot name. Later I took to using the Reinforcements card 'figures', in plastic stands that were often self-fabricated from cut up document binding strips. Never, ever, bought a single mini but did buy every novel, sourcebook and Unit Scenario book released :D. On the other end of the spectrum one of my mates used to craft his own figures - Kurita scum he may be but very talented in modelling :). Very nice those Sword of Light units looked too ... right up to the moment I salvaged them :chuckles: Capt. Dallas Sukerkin, Merchant Adventurers Company, Thackstone's Battalion, 3rd Crucis Lancers RCT, AFFS
as someone who "played" 40k for all of a few hours and only collected the models and books, and never interacts with the fandom as a whole, battletech and 40k are both cool. Neat models, good books, good games. i want to get an IS lance for Davion and a Clan Star for Steel Viper, and i'll probably never touch a tabletop with them
Switching to Battletech has so far been the best thing I've ever done for my hobby life. While the box sets to buy individual units is annoying, I just usually buy the box and see what the options are. The game is complex, but the actual rules are rather simple once you wrap your head around it. The only complexity from there is if you want to run other units such as Infantry, Battle Armor, Tanks, Aircraft, ect. Or when critical components break off. Battletech is also far more narrative of a game. For 40k it's 'I move closer, I shoot you, you die.' For Battletech it's 'I run around the back, making myself harder to hit as I zoom by, I shoot you, hitting your weaker rear armor, breaking internal and damaging your reactor!' The amount of narrative instances that just write stories because of the complexity cannot be overstated. It's beautiful
At one point, 40k people actively spreading the rumour that modern battletech minis were still the old metal Ral Partha ones... Yeah, I'm glad CGL finally got their supply situation sorted out. You encounter the odd grognard in the community, but that is every community.
Never saw anything like that. To be honest most modern 40k-ers barely, if at all, know BT exists. Far too much to argue about within the confines of GWs games to go outside it & argue the merits of other games.
I mean, for a long time they were. The older boxed set that released in 2014(ish?) was just plastic versions of the Ral Partha sculpts and they kinda sucked
@@colbyboucher6391 Fair point- It probably kept me out of the game for a long time personally, even if that situation really arose because of the whole post Wizkids heroclix situation, and frantically backtracking on it. Was still pretty disingenuous for somebody to post 80s models *after* the new catalyst stuff came out, though.
Looking forward to the continuing videos, my dude!
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Is there still a stream of people coming from 40K? I would think that the vast majority of 40K players at the moment are getting hyped for the next edition.
I lot of them are also preparing for stock shortages of the next edition box set being released in the near future. Which isn't surprising since the last two Kill Team boxes, which were both released within the last month, sold out almost immediately. So for some that may be the straw that finally breaks the camels back.
I am new from 40K. I quit 40K but I do play all the Horus Heresy releases...will keep playing them. I'm able to play multiple systems and have fun. The next system I want to get into is Heavy Gear Blitz.
A succinct overview; my only real problem with battletech is that rules lookups can take a minute; an example of which is the infamous Ultra Autocannon lookup, a trap most new players fall into in which one person tries to find where it explains that they use a cluster roll rather than make two attacks by scouring the index of Total Warfare.
@@JMcMillen I get that, but alot of people don't do things the way they're intended, hence why i said it was a trap and that the lookups could use some work.
At least the BMM _sort of_ cleaned things up but yeah, Catalyst claiming that Total Warfare is a reference rather than instructions and than making it fail as a good reference is... frustrating
Randomly came across this, Clanner Mechwarrior here and owner of 40k Kill Team Octarius. When I say Mechwarrior, I mean I don't play the board game. But this vid caught my eye due to my dual fandom, and I just wanna say, it's a neat comparison that makes me more interested in the Battletech wargame. You know, considering I do play 40k wargames here and there. And a lot of Mechwarrior, ever since 2, when I was 6 years old. It's heartening to see little videos like this aimed at people who are game 'refugees' as you say. It brightened my day a little. I've scratched the surface of the various problems with the tabletop communities behind both games and I can honestly say, people take themselves too seriously. This video didn't, though. :) Good on you
I first discovered Battletech in the 90's. There were Battletech simulator pods at Parramatta Westfields. It was an expensive game, but still drew quite a crowd. Damn I miss those days. Bought the Game of Armoured Combat Box about a year ago.... Been trying to find some one to play with since. Heard there's a place at Gosford that hosts games, but mostly 40k, and occasionally Battletech. But that's 2 buses and a train each way for me.
We might be soft, but we play alpha strike exclusively. It is closer to a skirmish game that can scale up nicely. We play company level battles pretty often. Alpha strike does not have the depth of classic battle tech, but doesn't have the record keeping either. They are both very good, very well loved games. It is a matter of personal preference. If you are new to the bt miniatures universe, welcome!
I am new to it and am absolutely in love with the universe. My first game will be tomorrow morning with a friend I managed to talk into this. I've just started reading the Legends novels. The Warrior Trilogy first. Also bought the Battletech games from Steam. When I jump in, I jump in head first.
Depressed Star Wars fan here… sick of shit with the IP, jumped to Warhammer and cant get to the tabletop due to PRICE.. now chilling with battletech instead.
I don't know, I still love my Warhammer lore from Games Workshop, Battletech's game system it looks to be better than the tabletop of Warhammer 40k, but as the lore aspect of Battletech looks not very interesting to me tbh.
I'd say BattleTech's _fluff_ is cooler, the lore and stories have their moments but on the whole it's messy, although it's usually messy because someone tries to make it more like Warhammer (see Devlin Stone)
@@hellkitestudios I am glad for you. Also, I will watch more of your videos (once you have them), you seem to be very passionate about battletech and that suits me. Have a good day, sir.
I do like both universes, both have problems. For me battloetech is closer to realism since its closer to known physics, although I feel it would need a bit of a cleanup of some of the silly/irrelevant tech if they ever made a series/film of it. But the fairly recent Paradox Battletech definitely showed you can put a big storyline out that really works well, the universe has depth.
Saying this as someone who migrated from 40K, Battletech's rules are _sooooo_ much easier to wrap your head around. No BS like the nesting dolls of stratagems, command point faffery exceptions to every rule, different exception because of different factions... Ugh, never GW again. Battletech might have a steeper learning curve at the start, but once you know the rules, that's it. You and your opponent are playing the same game from the same book.
Macross does not won the mechs. Studio Nue created the mechs, and owns the designs of the mechs. Big West created the audiovisual product Macross, and Tatsunoko productions owned the rights of distribution of Macross. Tatsunoko sold "all rights" to Harmony Gold. But since everything Tatsunoko had was was distribution rights, not even the ownership of Macross the sudiovisual product. But Harmony Gold did not understand that and believed all rights meant they were the sole owners of all the IP. All this was uncovered when Big West sued Tatsunoko productions in Japan. FASA corporation licensed toys from Twentieth Century Imports. And they do not own the righst on the design. As I said Studio Nue owns the rights. So Harmony Gold sued FASA Corporation and nearly anyone. But the king was naked. Harmony Gold does not even own Macross, and they made Robotech using material from the Macross sudiovisual product. FASA IP ended up in the hands of Topps, which licensed Battletech to Catalyst Game Labs.
I’ve got to find a group that plays locally. I dislike the material Catalyst uses for its models. I buy my models from Iron wind metals. Gotta have those old funky 80s sculpts.
Just have fun. Battletech has an enormous some would say over written universe to play in. Don't worry about having everything painted. Just relax and play with giant stompy robots.
I agree on all points, save the BLP situation... Genuinely speaking, that situation is a can of words that is a such a 'he-said-she-said' shitfest I can't defend it either way and haven't followed enough to put my opinion out. Though that unicorn story is...so ridiculous I have to give it credit
""Faith McKlosky"" is a guy. Not a trans woman, an actual man who was and still is playing pretend as "Ace Kaller" Something about that feels actually like more malice of purpose than being an old boomer whose politics loudly fell out of popularity. I will never side with someone who lies about who they are to garner willing belief of other lies. Don't get me wrong, BLP wasn't long for his spot in the sun anyway, and there are other, actually legitimate, reasons to drop him from the frontline. But turning it into a he-said-he-said is baaaaaaad. Somewhere the means have to be excessive to the ends of "owning the boomers" Otherwise, yeah, I get what you're putting down
'Model agnostic' isn't enforceable tho. CGL may say it's OK but you can't force your opponent to play against even unpainted minis, let alone bottlecaps & scraps of paper. As much as I love the game, I wouldn't play against someone without legit minis. It's a nice+quaint idea but largely in effect not true. Espousing it as a universal truism isn't responsible. As well, GW isn't warhammer-ing all things 'fanmade'. As long as people aren't trying to monetize their 'fan' works there's no probs. I guarantee if there was as big a threat from fan works to CGL as there is to GW, CGL would be cracking down too. But selling it as GW goin after all fanmade stuff is just flatout ridiculousness. Blaster was here... & there's also no way CGL is ok with re-casters!
& yeah, a thriving 'Buy/Sell/Trade' group should put paid to getting the probs of obtaining individual Mechs/Units one wants. That BT has yet to really reach that organized a lvl says something about the state of the game. A community wide B/S/T mindset shoulda put eBay single Mech sellers outta business a while ago.
My playgroup approaches BT with the most casual of mindsets, and we still paint our minis. If someone really wanted to play with scraps of paper or something I’d borrow them a lance to play with.
@Blaster CA to shed a different light on the mini agnostic thing. the battletech IP has passed thru 3 different parent companies and the video games thru several more. as for miniatures, the original metal mini's were made by Ral Partha which later became Iron Wind metals. they have the most variety of mechs/vehicles available. FASA, the original IP creator, attempted to make some plastic mini's in the 90s... they were not a good quality and lacking in detail. when wizkids owned the IP in the early 2000s, the introduced 'clicky-tech' and the dark age story. fans of standard battletech have mixed opinions about the game. the mini's were also a larger scale, nearly twice the size of the typical metal mini's. when TOPPS bought the IP and created CGL to run the IP, they spent years, cleaning up the 20+ years of information that was spread through dozens of source material. with that, you have the hardback book series which contains all the rules. with the 5th release of 'a game of armored combat' box set and the beginner box set, they are able to focus more on the games miniatures component. it is a big task. there are over a thousand unique designs for mechs, vehicles, infantry, vtol, Aerospace, spacecraft and many more. additionally, there are multiple variant designs for each of those. finally, there are design rules that any player can create their own unique units. while the idea of playing with all your forces represented by the appropriate miniatures would be great. the truth of the matter, over half of the known designs don't have an official miniature, let alone the variant options. CGL isn't a dumb company. the recent mercenary kickstarter shows a considerable amount of growth since the previous kickstarter 3 years prior. by allowing and even promoting some 3rd party vendors and by not interfering with the 3D printed items, they see the game expanding even more. I've been playing since 1984. I have thousands of miniatures from all kinds of sources. I am still getting the newer releases from CGL and from others. I hope this puts a small light on the whole mini's thing. I know you can use anything to represent your units, but I prefer a miniature. it just doesn't need to be an 'official product'.
@@bruced648 Been playing since the first BT boxset with standees! I understand the intent of saying *Miniatures Agnostic*. But too many think it's an enforceable 'Rule' 'stead of a tenet. The prob is with the way its being bandied about. In concept, fine, cool even. In practice tho... I'd never go back to playing against standees, let alone bottlecaps, pocket lint, gravel stuck in my opponents shoe & all that 'miniatures agnostic' implies. It's not enforceable, certainly not to any lvl of tossing it around like it's normal. &... I guarantee CGL wouldn't be ok with someone showing up to a CGL sponsor'd public event with 40k minis as proxies! So if CGL likely wouldn't abide 'miniatures agnostic' for a big public event, I'm gonna call schtako on the whole thing. Blaster was here ... & thinks it's quaint, it's cute, but it can't be put out there as if it's a commonly accepted 'sure, pennies & rocks & poker chips are fine' type thing!
@@hellkitestudios The 40K fandom has a legitimate issue with people unironically sympathizing with the Imperium. Not in the 'hahah, it's funny to meme about violently squashing dissent and purging everyone that isn't us' way. In the 'I desire my real world nation and society to be a jingoistic authoritarian theocracy' kind of way.
Then they will play as 6th of June adventists. Or CCAF. The wheel keeps turning. When people play the game, their politics won't make the gun shoot harder just because they like the idea of a Heinleinian society. Defeat them. :)
@@hellkitestudios I gotta respect the political game. You really deflected out of that topic. Sounds like me at work, when people are talking to me about controversial stuff I don't want to engage with, but I still have to engage with them. Legit, not as infuriating as I thought it'd be.
While he may have been starting to show his age and the resultant disconnect from the social meta, yes. It doesn't excuse some guy pretending to be a woman who was in turn pretending to be a different woman, using a false persona to garner simps and clout and lie about things BLP did, then issuing a non-apology while saying he only issued it to make it right to those he hurt along the way (while then disdaining them as they brought up their umbrage). "Ace Kaller" is hardly in the right. This is a case of stupid vs petty.
@@negatorxx I'm not going to cry over the Lost Causer who shat out Hour of the Wolf. Or took time in a Battletech novel to bemoan the removal of Confederate Monuments. Or who writes Right Wing fantasies about EEVUL LIBRUL takeovers of the USA like his "Blue Dawn" series, or writes defenses of J6 for fucking American Greatness and it's ilk. It might have been triggered by the nonsensical actions of a crazy person, but he sure as hell made It easy for the publisher and his agent to drop him.
I have invited many onto my show for a friendly debate to convince me that painting your miniatures is necessary to enjoy the game (I paint mine quasi-regularly, when the mood strikes me). I have yet to meet a single taker.
It’s a preference thing. If your preference isn’t the same, then it’ll be hard to persuade you. I would never play with grey models. Games of BattleTech tell a story, and to me, the visual representation of who is at war is essential.
To you. I know enough to know what I do and don't have on my team. I know enough to know the Gunslinger I'm shooting at isn't on my team because I know I didn't put one on my roster. I know I'm forgetful, but spleesh, you'd think I could at least remember what machines I brought to the dance whether or not they are painted. "You can still die no matter how fancy your crap is."
What are you gonna do when you find out I hate painting the same stuff over and over? So now I have a company with like 8 different paint jobs among the miniatures. You gonna complain then, too?
@@BattleBound It’s not about forgetting what you have, it’s just a visual. You’re missing my point. I play BT for fun, I don’t really care if I win or lose, obviously I prefer to win, but this game to me is spinning a cool narrative in battle. When I want a competitive game, I play Chess. Chess has no Sarna, no lore. There’s no backstory to the armies at war, the pieces are named for no real reason but to make the visualization of the game easier. King is leader, so if he dies the game is over. Knights are Calvary, and the L movement mimics Calvary charges into the flank, etc. That’s all you need to know. For BT, Sarna has huge essay sized write ups for every mech design, the history of each nation, their relationships to one another, etc. The game is an excellent vehicle to tell those stories, and that’s how I prefer to play. It’s my *preference.* It’s hard for me to enjoy myself when the enemy Cheeto is attacking my Dorito’s flank.
Then don't have a food fight with straw men? I mean, I dunno what else to tell you...your preference is your preference. Same as anyone else. A lot of folks think it's cool to shame people for how they enjoy this hobby. It's not, it's boring. Focus on what you like and let people enjoy things however they feel like. I didn't miss the point. You want to know who's who ... I'm just saying I can usually tell who is on my side and who isn't just by virtue of knowing what machines I brought to the dance. I don't... I just don't have that problem, so I don't know what else to say about it. 😅🤷 I get it. You enjoy one thing, and someone else enjoys it differently. You both enjoy it. Isn't that enough?
Having trouble hearing you even on max volume on my phone. Will watch this on my TV later but I will say that Battletech is way more welcoming. In the several years I was a 40k fan with the exception of FLGS regulars here and Imperial Guard fans, most 40k people I met were absolute dickheads especially when it came to playing a certain way. I have yet to meet grognards in Battletech but I know they exist here as with any community. Battletech has some fun tabletop, video games and I have to say the fan animations I have both watched (and been part of!) have been wonderful showing how much love the community has. I am unsure what your message is in the video for now, but I want you to know coming over here has to be one of the best decisions I made because quite frankly big stompy robots are my thing.
You might want to invest in a new mic.
That's literally what I did when I heard how quiet the audio is. Rest assured, this is going to be remedied.
He spent all the money on the new Urbanmech Company box
I literally cannot near nor understand him on my TV. Very faint gibberish.
Calm down, first video on his channel, let him cook lol
I have noticed that any time I even skim the issue of "list-building" or faction-specific mechs, I get flooded by people telling me I don't need to, who all seem to neglect one simple fact: That I want to.
That said at least the subreddit doesn't make fun of me for my crap paint jobs
You can if you want, not as many people do though
TL;DR use the Master Unit List (google it.)
Feels like you want to play some lore-accurate lances, why'd everybody be against this?
Some Faction get really $#it mech build......some get really good one.......and BV it is OK at best(not perfect nothing is...)
Another note to 40K refugees... Welcome aboard; do not talk about aliens.
There are good reasons for the lack of aliens. If you want the long lecture about why we don't want aliens, feel free to ask. We do not want aliens.
Just... Don't talk about aliens.
I always felt like it was more towards *intelligent* or *humanoid* aliens. Alien fauna is totally a-ok
As long as it's not Far Country lol
@@hellkitestudios heavens no lol
Squawk?
@@rylian21 N O . Stop that! BAd!
some points of interest between battletech and 40k;
battletech was introduced as Battledroids in 1984. due to a George Lucas lawsuit, the game was renamed battletech in 1985.
Warhammer 40k was introduced as Rogue Trader in 1987. the 2nd version rules renamed the game as Warhammer 40k.
battletech is enjoying the 5th release of the basic rules. thru the 5 releases, nothing has been nerfed, restricted, removed or banned. there is a small corporate detail of the 'unseen' designs due to a lawsuit by Harmony Gold, but that didn't stop people from being able to use them. overall, you can set each of the 5 released rules sets next to each other and they are nearly identical. only a few clarifications and a couple of adjustments. thus, the term 'release'.
GW has produced 10 versions of WH 40k. with each version, thereare significant changes to how the game plays. more importantly, various units were changed. this meant nerfs, restrictions, limited banning or outright removal. thru the 10 versions, the game turn sequence has remained basically the same. however, they way various units interact has changed with each version. some, to the point of being nearly unplayable. if you set each core book next to each other, they are not the same! there are some basic similarities, but the game play is significantly different, thus the term 'version'.
when battletech began, the game was miniatures agnostic. the box set included paper cut-outs which changed to card stock cut-outs in later box sets. miniatures were originally 3rd party and are currently made by the CGL.
WH 40k (Rogue Trader) was originally miniatures agnostic. the core book included pages at the back which were to be copied and cut out. those were the game pieces. as the miniatures became more prevalent and with the release of the 2nd version box set, miniatures started to dominate the game. after the 3rd released rules and box set, the tournament play popularity grew exponentially. by 4th release box set, miniatures agnostic was gone and the push for 'official product' miniatures took over. then, unit specific painting.
while both games play very differently, the have some points of common ground. each has over 100 novels of stories and lore. both have a variety of video games. each provide a large variety of factions to explore with their unique histories and influence on the game. there are plenty of source books and material support.
as I have experienced both games from the day they first landed on the store shelves (i still have my original Battledroids and Rogue Trader) my perspective is unique. i prefer the small unit tactics of 40k (1 commander and 1 or 2 squads of 10 troops). but i play battletech on a large scale (planetary invasion with fleets of warships down to landing craft and all the fighting units and support). they are both set in the 'grim dark' future of constant war. 40k is more of a 'one-off' game. where battletech plays best as a campaign with role-play aspects added.
Different business model and thats why Battletech never realy grew beyond a certain point. I became more and more cumbersome and just gets more bloated with the addition of more and more equipment.
A rule refresh would perhaps have being a boon, also a refresh of the more and more dated Mech models.
Battletech is everything but perfect or better then 40k, it is simply a different approach and it works for some better as a customer, in most cased those are grognards that can not handle change that well.
B4 you get overly aggressive, I am also prone to that, it took me quite a while to get used to Clans and I am still mostly a 3rd/4th succession wars player.
From a business point of view GWs business model works better.
Battletech lingers on but will never grow and thats one reason why we will never have the same quality miniatures for Battletech that GW has.
BattleTech is still officially miniature-agnostic, Catalyst still puts out boxes full of cardboard cutouts and people make lots of alternative sculpts for 3D printing. Heck, hardly anyone has minis for infantry, just use pennies or something.
3rd/4th succession wars are IMO what drive off new players. They are a stale overly solved meta with battles taking forever on average because the mechs run hot. @@raphie8488
I read what you have to say but wish to mention LAMs.
@@ObiwanNekody do you have the CGL book 'Alternate era's'? complete rules for LAMs. also when they were developed and the renewed efforts to develop them a second time.
the game doesn't encourage them, but they were never removed.
pg 11, 14, 22, 99-109, 190, 207
covers all aspects of game play.
pg 186 BV
pg 198-199 Battleforce
Sydney has the most pre-orders of any city in the world for the Mercenaries kickstarter.
BT is growing every year, and with CGL at our backs I think the barren days might finally be over.
At Adepticon a few weeks ago, Battletech took a significant percentage of the tables that were used for 40K tournaments in past years. There was a big increase in BT games being played; it was very noticeable. 40K is getting squeezed by Battletech, Marvel Crisis Protocol and Star Wars games. GW probably has the largest slice of the pie at the con, but it’s a smaller slice each year lately.
Yes, with luck we can overturn the GW stranglehold. What we will need before we can do that however, is a dedicated company, or in-house CGL model printing.
Sharing the use of Topps with other companies will make it harder to get reliable re-stocks. Not insurmountable, but there is a lot of patience required still. Still, it is a beautiful thing to behold.
@@danroberts007 Definitely a larger slice of the pie by GWs competition. For a long time GW faced but a single serious competitor at a time. But they still out $ BT, MCP & X-Wing combined. Yes, a lot of that is due to the competitions skirmish lvl & GWs massed battles bent. Even at that tho, I'd bet GWs skirmish games outsell BT/MCP/X-Wing.
As long as the competition is coming at the market with '4 Models Per Side' & GW is selling outta boxsets with dozens of models...
&, in my opinion & probably a majority of players, Alpha Strike just isn't Battletech. So I don't see AS as be the great CGL hope as competition in the massed battles arena. Helz, I think more would play an even 'crunchier' Solaris VII redux than AS currently draws.
Printing your own plastic things is becoming easier and easier everyday. Maybe they should just face the facts that their time may be running out it's not the first time technology has put companies out of business and it won't be the last.
Having a sense of exclusivity regarding the sculpts is nice, and there's still no 3d-printing material that is as supple and easily cuttable as used by the officials. I mod my minis before painting them so that little feature is very pleasant to me.
That being said, I'm not necessarily the majority in doing so, and I totally understand wanting to just have a mini. Personally, I don't care if someone uses a MWO sculpt or whatever, as long as it's been painted. Even basecoated or just primed. That's just about having the standard of engagement for me.
I came to battletech from 40k because GW just doesn't care and are actively attacking fans.
"After all, you used to play 40K." Emotional damage!
Valid points! As someone who fell in love w/ MW in the early 90s & wanted to play BT it seemed hard to find a group without spending all my time at comic/game shops & so in the late 90s I got into 40k which was great, but even then the constant rule creep & especially the cost to build the army(ies) I wanted was just nuts especially as a husband & father with a rapidly growing family so I largely bought used. Well those armies got stolen & I moved & then stumbled into the MW heroclix which is a pale comparison of BT but rekindled my love for the universe as did the new MW4! Well time has passed & my love for MW & the memories of playing that & the clix game with my oldest son who is now 23 resulted in him sending me a pic of his new aGoAC box set so I decided after seeing how the community has grown, the fact I can use anything for a model & the ability to play long distance with my son finally got me into the OG BT.
We have a great local community, but with how sensitive & antagonistic some people can be that can change in a heartbeat but you work with what you got & try to protect that. The fact that CGL really does a lot to make the barrier for entry so low is outstanding compared to GW especially the fact you don't need to have the exact model (WYSIWYG) or even have it painted is outstanding though I would add that whike it is a great way to get into the game or try your hand at new units before dropping the cash on them painted & accurate (enough) minis makes tge game not only easier & quicker to play but makes for a much more enjoyable gaming experience especially from an aesthetician standpoint because who doesn't want to see a table of even poorly painted giant stompy death robots! Anyways I'll get off my soapbox, but definitely encourage anyone on the fence to download the quick rules from CGL & give it a try whether you are new to tabletop wargaming or have enough 40k minis to put a kid through college. Thanks for a good video & look forward to checking out more of your content.
And apparently there is no more content! You did a good job on this & would like to see more content from you & your side of things even if it against the grain and a tad bit cynical at times like Arch does for 40k afterall we need to keep CGL & the community honest & with the rapid growth of both CGL & the community we need to make sure everyone remembers why we fell in love with this & we don't want another GW!
Indeed we don't. CGL has its own issues, but for those issues they do offer a good product. Remember, while it's good to just proxy the mechs at first, as you said, it's best to have something that looks the part eventually. Battletech offering the quick rules as a legit download is part of why they are good. There's a lot of resources out there for free too, which is the next video's topic: How to actually get started and the things to be aware of.
We don't want another company that makes a great fictional universe & outstanding minis?
& GW releases free core rules too. In fact, they'll not only be releasing free core rules, but rules for every valid Fsction & Unit out there, for 10th edition.
[To eventually be replaced by Codex's & other supplements, for sure, of course. But still free game wide rules to make 10e fully playable for all, from the start is no small thing!]
Releasing indexes so soon after Guard and World Eaters?
Nah, nothing to see here.
Astartes Codex #1/??? being busted and powerful against whatever mook is drawn out of the hat to be bad-tier all edition?
Nah, it's all good.
Some factions being stuck as Index all edition bar 3 months, to be rendered obsolete again when 11e releases?
Nah, working as all games should
Who cares if the AoS-level rules are free online? I could probably figure them out just by looking at a unit entry in the leaflet that comes with a box set now. The rule book itself will still cost over $80 and the codices not much less. Not to mention the intra-edition supplements that will keep the factions that might win despite not being Astartes from getting too big for their bones.
Oh wait, let's also add another paid app that makes our army lists badly.
The best thing about Battletech is that you don't have to buy in to play its ruleset and learn it. Megamek is amazing. I learned so much from it, and would and DO recommend it to anyone who wants to learn how to paly the game. It takes the muss and fuss out of the game while also showing all the work it does for you.
I had no issue finding people to play battle tech with. All I did was ask my local game store to stock Battletech and players arrived on their own.
That's great! I've heard a few people say it was a struggle, and I have a small pool of even semi-regular opponents, but it really do be that simple. Good work, my dude, glad to hear you spreading the good word... of blake.
I know that the Clan Invasion: Reinforcements box comes with a large array of stand-up punch-outs. They may not be the nice paintable minis, but it is a very low investment for entry and access to multiples of nearly ALL of the mech options. It was $23 as of the writing of this on the Catalyst webstore.
Also, the open beta for the Mercenaries box has a variety of paper cutouts for support units and infantry. I don't know about you, but i've never seen a selection like this for less than potentially $50 investment, which would include the PDF copy of Total Warfare (with the most basic tier to the kickstarter for access to the free open beta files.
honestly if youre really strapped for cash, get sticky notes and write the units name on it
Good luck getting that box though. I've had a copy on backorder for over a year here in Australia
Kind of wondering if Henry Cavil will make the migration to the Battletech universe. I was never a 40k player myself, but I did know about it. Steiner scout squad ftw.
Would be bad publicity now that he will do the 40k series with Amazon. I guess he would have to play Battletech in secrecy with the new AI deck ;D
I doubt Cavill knows anything about the tabletop BT game. Maybe thru videogames but I doubt that too. He had plenty of time before monetizing his hobbies to shout out to BT.
The one thing i wish battletech would pay more attention to is the non mech units.
But i get it, its a game with the focus on giant walking mechs
There's a few documents that are filled to the brim with vehicles, then in later TROs they introduce more in a trickle. However, the minis nust don't sell as well for launching a re-brand so I get it. On the other hand, there's a LOT of 3d printing starting to happen and there's a plethora of STLs. I myself play with a lot of infantry and VTOLs, so there is a way to play without them at least, which is nice.
The "Mercenaries" box about to hit the shelves add in tanks, helos, infantry, etc en masse. New force boxes, solo rules, the whole shebang.
The Facebook community may or may not be like that, I don't hang out there. However the Reddit community is very welcoming especially to 40k players and we tend to be quite helpful to new players and people looking to get into the hobby. I've never seen anyone answer a question about what paint to get with "You don't need to paint!" if anything it's rather encouraged to start painting.
Exactly. Facebook will be the worst place to get started. Something to do with having our real names up, and having a marketplace tab. There'll be a video on this soon.
I Can't stand reddit or Redditors but the Battletech Reddit community has yet to raise my blood pressure like other parts of Reddit or social media in general for that matter
I haven't been there in a few years. There were a few whiny, bitchy Karens, but most people were pretty cool. One or two paint nazis, but that's about it.
@@rylian21 Well after the last time that GW shot themselves in the foot, with the whole TTS thing, with them trying to get Warhammer+ going, there was a rather large exodus of 40k players, and a lot of them ended up in the Inner Sphere. The Battletech sub grew by like 10% over the course of 2-3 days. The whole community has changed a bit, because suddenly there's a ton of really good painters, but people who didn't know much about the game or lore. So the sub really seemed to come together to help them all.
Very welcoming? I got kicked off for talking about crossover fiction! No joke!
:grins: I started playing BattleTech in the mid-80's, first using stiff card with things like "Marauder" written on them, along with the Mech and pilot name. Later I took to using the Reinforcements card 'figures', in plastic stands that were often self-fabricated from cut up document binding strips. Never, ever, bought a single mini but did buy every novel, sourcebook and Unit Scenario book released :D.
On the other end of the spectrum one of my mates used to craft his own figures - Kurita scum he may be but very talented in modelling :). Very nice those Sword of Light units looked too ... right up to the moment I salvaged them :chuckles:
Capt. Dallas Sukerkin, Merchant Adventurers Company, Thackstone's Battalion, 3rd Crucis Lancers RCT, AFFS
as someone who "played" 40k for all of a few hours and only collected the models and books, and never interacts with the fandom as a whole, battletech and 40k are both cool. Neat models, good books, good games. i want to get an IS lance for Davion and a Clan Star for Steel Viper, and i'll probably never touch a tabletop with them
Switching to Battletech has so far been the best thing I've ever done for my hobby life. While the box sets to buy individual units is annoying, I just usually buy the box and see what the options are. The game is complex, but the actual rules are rather simple once you wrap your head around it. The only complexity from there is if you want to run other units such as Infantry, Battle Armor, Tanks, Aircraft, ect. Or when critical components break off.
Battletech is also far more narrative of a game. For 40k it's 'I move closer, I shoot you, you die.'
For Battletech it's 'I run around the back, making myself harder to hit as I zoom by, I shoot you, hitting your weaker rear armor, breaking internal and damaging your reactor!'
The amount of narrative instances that just write stories because of the complexity cannot be overstated. It's beautiful
At one point, 40k people actively spreading the rumour that modern battletech minis were still the old metal Ral Partha ones... Yeah, I'm glad CGL finally got their supply situation sorted out. You encounter the odd grognard in the community, but that is every community.
Never saw anything like that. To be honest most modern 40k-ers barely, if at all, know BT exists. Far too much to argue about within the confines of GWs games to go outside it & argue the merits of other games.
I mean, for a long time they were. The older boxed set that released in 2014(ish?) was just plastic versions of the Ral Partha sculpts and they kinda sucked
@@BlasterCA2000 It's true, they just won't even look into it.
@@colbyboucher6391 Fair point- It probably kept me out of the game for a long time personally, even if that situation really arose because of the whole post Wizkids heroclix situation, and frantically backtracking on it. Was still pretty disingenuous for somebody to post 80s models *after* the new catalyst stuff came out, though.
Looking forward to the continuing videos, my dude!
Is there still a stream of people coming from 40K? I would think that the vast majority of 40K players at the moment are getting hyped for the next edition.
I lot of them are also preparing for stock shortages of the next edition box set being released in the near future. Which isn't surprising since the last two Kill Team boxes, which were both released within the last month, sold out almost immediately. So for some that may be the straw that finally breaks the camels back.
I am new from 40K. I quit 40K but I do play all the Horus Heresy releases...will keep playing them. I'm able to play multiple systems and have fun. The next system I want to get into is Heavy Gear Blitz.
A succinct overview; my only real problem with battletech is that rules lookups can take a minute; an example of which is the infamous Ultra Autocannon lookup, a trap most new players fall into in which one person tries to find where it explains that they use a cluster roll rather than make two attacks by scouring the index of Total Warfare.
And thus have a 60% chance to only land 1 shot.
I'd still rather a UAC 2 over an LBX 2. At least the clusters deal full damage.
New players should start in the 3025 era. Once they have the basics down then you start to introduce I.S. mechs with new technology.
@@JMcMillen I get that, but alot of people don't do things the way they're intended, hence why i said it was a trap and that the lookups could use some work.
At least the BMM _sort of_ cleaned things up but yeah, Catalyst claiming that Total Warfare is a reference rather than instructions and than making it fail as a good reference is... frustrating
Randomly came across this, Clanner Mechwarrior here and owner of 40k Kill Team Octarius. When I say Mechwarrior, I mean I don't play the board game. But this vid caught my eye due to my dual fandom, and I just wanna say, it's a neat comparison that makes me more interested in the Battletech wargame. You know, considering I do play 40k wargames here and there. And a lot of Mechwarrior, ever since 2, when I was 6 years old.
It's heartening to see little videos like this aimed at people who are game 'refugees' as you say. It brightened my day a little. I've scratched the surface of the various problems with the tabletop communities behind both games and I can honestly say, people take themselves too seriously. This video didn't, though. :) Good on you
They are putting out mystery boxes so you can get a random mech for only $10
Looking forward to more battletech videos
Hailing from the inland tracts of barren Australian desert. We actually have a thriving BattleTech community here. Not so much 40K though.
Im new to BT and love seeing that the Aussie scene is alive!
I first discovered Battletech in the 90's. There were Battletech simulator pods at Parramatta Westfields. It was an expensive game, but still drew quite a crowd. Damn I miss those days.
Bought the Game of Armoured Combat Box about a year ago.... Been trying to find some one to play with since. Heard there's a place at Gosford that hosts games, but mostly 40k, and occasionally Battletech. But that's 2 buses and a train each way for me.
I'd be down to see this video re-recorded, otherwise this is some good shit
3D printing the model you want always helps.
You have an Titanicus force and migrate to BT.
TITANS: THE OMNISIAH HAS ABANDONED US! Why is the GOD ENGINE 🥵
Suddenly a batch of homebrewed superheavies terrorise the local scene
We might be soft, but we play alpha strike exclusively. It is closer to a skirmish game that can scale up nicely. We play company level battles pretty often.
Alpha strike does not have the depth of classic battle tech, but doesn't have the record keeping either.
They are both very good, very well loved games. It is a matter of personal preference. If you are new to the bt miniatures universe, welcome!
I am new to it and am absolutely in love with the universe. My first game will be tomorrow morning with a friend I managed to talk into this. I've just started reading the Legends novels. The Warrior Trilogy first.
Also bought the Battletech games from Steam. When I jump in, I jump in head first.
Depressed Star Wars fan here… sick of shit with the IP, jumped to Warhammer and cant get to the tabletop due to PRICE.. now chilling with battletech instead.
I don't know, I still love my Warhammer lore from Games Workshop, Battletech's game system it looks to be better than the tabletop of Warhammer 40k, but as the lore aspect of Battletech looks not very interesting to me tbh.
I'd say BattleTech's _fluff_ is cooler, the lore and stories have their moments but on the whole it's messy, although it's usually messy because someone tries to make it more like Warhammer (see Devlin Stone)
I love them both. The Battletech Legends novels are excellent.
I am not trying to be mean, but there is something wrong with your microphone.
Yes, it was on its way out, which I have since remedied. :)
@@hellkitestudios I am glad for you. Also, I will watch more of your videos (once you have them), you seem to be very passionate about battletech and that suits me.
Have a good day, sir.
I do like both universes, both have problems.
For me battloetech is closer to realism since its closer to known physics, although I feel it would need a bit of a cleanup of some of the silly/irrelevant tech if they ever made a series/film of it. But the fairly recent Paradox Battletech definitely showed you can put a big storyline out that really works well, the universe has depth.
Saying this as someone who migrated from 40K, Battletech's rules are _sooooo_ much easier to wrap your head around. No BS like the nesting dolls of stratagems, command point faffery exceptions to every rule, different exception because of different factions... Ugh, never GW again. Battletech might have a steeper learning curve at the start, but once you know the rules, that's it. You and your opponent are playing the same game from the same book.
hey bro, the audio is extremely quite might wanna work on that, but love the message
Macross does not won the mechs. Studio Nue created the mechs, and owns the designs of the mechs. Big West created the audiovisual product Macross, and Tatsunoko productions owned the rights of distribution of Macross. Tatsunoko sold "all rights" to Harmony Gold. But since everything Tatsunoko had was was distribution rights, not even the ownership of Macross the sudiovisual product. But Harmony Gold did not understand that and believed all rights meant they were the sole owners of all the IP.
All this was uncovered when Big West sued Tatsunoko productions in Japan.
FASA corporation licensed toys from Twentieth Century Imports. And they do not own the righst on the design. As I said Studio Nue owns the rights.
So Harmony Gold sued FASA Corporation and nearly anyone. But the king was naked. Harmony Gold does not even own Macross, and they made Robotech using material from the Macross sudiovisual product.
FASA IP ended up in the hands of Topps, which licensed Battletech to Catalyst Game Labs.
I’ve got to find a group that plays locally. I dislike the material Catalyst uses for its models. I buy my models from Iron wind metals. Gotta have those old funky 80s sculpts.
oh dear what a joke a lot of us old guard battleTech fans are also old guard 40k fans as well played both from the 80s onwards.
I know WH40K is a nightmare for Latinamerican fans (regarding the miniatures of course), so how is collecting Battletech different?
3d printing is so prolific and available for roughly the same price, that's the good thing.
@@hellkitestudios Thanks for answering! Have a nice day.
....ok someone has either had a very bad experience with facebook or maaaaaybe a little sensitive. Its all dry humor here bucko. Nice vid.
My humour is like the Australian mainland. Dry as a witch's tit. Enjoy. :)
Battletech was, is, and always will be better than 40k. It's the best tabletop game in existence.
I am everything but a refugee, I play both since the early 90s and will do so untill my death.
Based Hellkite!
Do you all have aphantasia? People are commended for their ability to play notational chess, but fail to paint the minis &….
Just have fun. Battletech has an enormous some would say over written universe to play in. Don't worry about having everything painted. Just relax and play with giant stompy robots.
Was difficult to listen to, but good video
I agree on all points, save the BLP situation...
Genuinely speaking, that situation is a can of words that is a such a 'he-said-she-said' shitfest I can't defend it either way and haven't followed enough to put my opinion out. Though that unicorn story is...so ridiculous I have to give it credit
""Faith McKlosky"" is a guy. Not a trans woman, an actual man who was and still is playing pretend as "Ace Kaller"
Something about that feels actually like more malice of purpose than being an old boomer whose politics loudly fell out of popularity. I will never side with someone who lies about who they are to garner willing belief of other lies.
Don't get me wrong, BLP wasn't long for his spot in the sun anyway, and there are other, actually legitimate, reasons to drop him from the frontline. But turning it into a he-said-he-said is baaaaaaad.
Somewhere the means have to be excessive to the ends of "owning the boomers"
Otherwise, yeah, I get what you're putting down
'Model agnostic' isn't enforceable tho. CGL may say it's OK but you can't force your opponent to play against even unpainted minis, let alone bottlecaps & scraps of paper. As much as I love the game, I wouldn't play against someone without legit minis. It's a nice+quaint idea but largely in effect not true. Espousing it as a universal truism isn't responsible.
As well, GW isn't warhammer-ing all things 'fanmade'. As long as people aren't trying to monetize their 'fan' works there's no probs. I guarantee if there was as big a threat from fan works to CGL as there is to GW, CGL would be cracking down too. But selling it as GW goin after all fanmade stuff is just flatout ridiculousness.
Blaster was here... & there's also no way CGL is ok with re-casters!
& yeah, a thriving 'Buy/Sell/Trade' group should put paid to getting the probs of obtaining individual Mechs/Units one wants. That BT has yet to really reach that organized a lvl says something about the state of the game. A community wide B/S/T mindset shoulda put eBay single Mech sellers outta business a while ago.
My playgroup approaches BT with the most casual of mindsets, and we still paint our minis. If someone really wanted to play with scraps of paper or something I’d borrow them a lance to play with.
@@jake53105 Based. That's the spirit we should be holding for new players.
@Blaster CA to shed a different light on the mini agnostic thing. the battletech IP has passed thru 3 different parent companies and the video games thru several more.
as for miniatures, the original metal mini's were made by Ral Partha which later became Iron Wind metals. they have the most variety of mechs/vehicles available. FASA, the original IP creator, attempted to make some plastic mini's in the 90s... they were not a good quality and lacking in detail.
when wizkids owned the IP in the early 2000s, the introduced 'clicky-tech' and the dark age story. fans of standard battletech have mixed opinions about the game. the mini's were also a larger scale, nearly twice the size of the typical metal mini's. when TOPPS bought the IP and created CGL to run the IP, they spent years, cleaning up the 20+ years of information that was spread through dozens of source material. with that, you have the hardback book series which contains all the rules.
with the 5th release of 'a game of armored combat' box set and the beginner box set, they are able to focus more on the games miniatures component. it is a big task. there are over a thousand unique designs for mechs, vehicles, infantry, vtol, Aerospace, spacecraft and many more. additionally, there are multiple variant designs for each of those. finally, there are design rules that any player can create their own unique units.
while the idea of playing with all your forces represented by the appropriate miniatures would be great. the truth of the matter, over half of the known designs don't have an official miniature, let alone the variant options.
CGL isn't a dumb company. the recent mercenary kickstarter shows a considerable amount of growth since the previous kickstarter 3 years prior. by allowing and even promoting some 3rd party vendors and by not interfering with the 3D printed items, they see the game expanding even more.
I've been playing since 1984. I have thousands of miniatures from all kinds of sources. I am still getting the newer releases from CGL and from others.
I hope this puts a small light on the whole mini's thing. I know you can use anything to represent your units, but I prefer a miniature. it just doesn't need to be an 'official product'.
@@bruced648
Been playing since the first BT boxset with standees! I understand the intent of saying *Miniatures Agnostic*. But too many think it's an enforceable 'Rule' 'stead of a tenet.
The prob is with the way its being bandied about. In concept, fine, cool even. In practice tho... I'd never go back to playing against standees, let alone bottlecaps, pocket lint, gravel stuck in my opponents shoe & all that 'miniatures agnostic' implies. It's not enforceable, certainly not to any lvl of tossing it around like it's normal.
&... I guarantee CGL wouldn't be ok with someone showing up to a CGL sponsor'd public event with 40k minis as proxies! So if CGL likely wouldn't abide 'miniatures agnostic' for a big public event, I'm gonna call schtako on the whole thing.
Blaster was here ... & thinks it's quaint, it's cute, but it can't be put out there as if it's a commonly accepted 'sure, pennies & rocks & poker chips are fine' type thing!
Please leave your unironic love for actual fascism at the door.
You do know what Battletech is right?
Because this is about Battletech. Maybe remove the tinfoil
@@hellkitestudios The 40K fandom has a legitimate issue with people unironically sympathizing with the Imperium.
Not in the 'hahah, it's funny to meme about violently squashing dissent and purging everyone that isn't us' way. In the 'I desire my real world nation and society to be a jingoistic authoritarian theocracy' kind of way.
Then they will play as 6th of June adventists. Or CCAF. The wheel keeps turning. When people play the game, their politics won't make the gun shoot harder just because they like the idea of a Heinleinian society. Defeat them. :)
@@hellkitestudios I gotta respect the political game. You really deflected out of that topic.
Sounds like me at work, when people are talking to me about controversial stuff I don't want to engage with, but I still have to engage with them. Legit, not as infuriating as I thought it'd be.
I don't paint my Battletech minis for the same reason I do not paint my 40k minis, my hands are shaky as fuck and it hurts to do it
MS_Paints should have some strategies for you :)
@@hellkitestudios no
Blaine Lee Pardoe being fired is a positive for the game
was his presence restricting sales?
While he may have been starting to show his age and the resultant disconnect from the social meta, yes. It doesn't excuse some guy pretending to be a woman who was in turn pretending to be a different woman, using a false persona to garner simps and clout and lie about things BLP did, then issuing a non-apology while saying he only issued it to make it right to those he hurt along the way (while then disdaining them as they brought up their umbrage).
"Ace Kaller" is hardly in the right. This is a case of stupid vs petty.
A good thing happened for a very stupid reason.
@@EmperorPylades im not sure that it was good
@@negatorxx I'm not going to cry over the Lost Causer who shat out Hour of the Wolf. Or took time in a Battletech novel to bemoan the removal of Confederate Monuments. Or who writes Right Wing fantasies about EEVUL LIBRUL takeovers of the USA like his "Blue Dawn" series, or writes defenses of J6 for fucking American Greatness and it's ilk.
It might have been triggered by the nonsensical actions of a crazy person, but he sure as hell made It easy for the publisher and his agent to drop him.
I have invited many onto my show for a friendly debate to convince me that painting your miniatures is necessary to enjoy the game (I paint mine quasi-regularly, when the mood strikes me). I have yet to meet a single taker.
It’s a preference thing. If your preference isn’t the same, then it’ll be hard to persuade you. I would never play with grey models. Games of BattleTech tell a story, and to me, the visual representation of who is at war is essential.
To you. I know enough to know what I do and don't have on my team. I know enough to know the Gunslinger I'm shooting at isn't on my team because I know I didn't put one on my roster.
I know I'm forgetful, but spleesh, you'd think I could at least remember what machines I brought to the dance whether or not they are painted.
"You can still die no matter how fancy your crap is."
What are you gonna do when you find out I hate painting the same stuff over and over? So now I have a company with like 8 different paint jobs among the miniatures. You gonna complain then, too?
@@BattleBound It’s not about forgetting what you have, it’s just a visual. You’re missing my point.
I play BT for fun, I don’t really care if I win or lose, obviously I prefer to win, but this game to me is spinning a cool narrative in battle. When I want a competitive game, I play Chess. Chess has no Sarna, no lore. There’s no backstory to the armies at war, the pieces are named for no real reason but to make the visualization of the game easier. King is leader, so if he dies the game is over. Knights are Calvary, and the L movement mimics Calvary charges into the flank, etc. That’s all you need to know.
For BT, Sarna has huge essay sized write ups for every mech design, the history of each nation, their relationships to one another, etc. The game is an excellent vehicle to tell those stories, and that’s how I prefer to play. It’s my *preference.* It’s hard for me to enjoy myself when the enemy Cheeto is attacking my Dorito’s flank.
Then don't have a food fight with straw men? I mean, I dunno what else to tell you...your preference is your preference. Same as anyone else. A lot of folks think it's cool to shame people for how they enjoy this hobby. It's not, it's boring. Focus on what you like and let people enjoy things however they feel like.
I didn't miss the point. You want to know who's who ... I'm just saying I can usually tell who is on my side and who isn't just by virtue of knowing what machines I brought to the dance. I don't... I just don't have that problem, so I don't know what else to say about it. 😅🤷
I get it. You enjoy one thing, and someone else enjoys it differently. You both enjoy it.
Isn't that enough?
Having trouble hearing you even on max volume on my phone. Will watch this on my TV later but I will say that Battletech is way more welcoming. In the several years I was a 40k fan with the exception of FLGS regulars here and Imperial Guard fans, most 40k people I met were absolute dickheads especially when it came to playing a certain way. I have yet to meet grognards in Battletech but I know they exist here as with any community.
Battletech has some fun tabletop, video games and I have to say the fan animations I have both watched (and been part of!) have been wonderful showing how much love the community has. I am unsure what your message is in the video for now, but I want you to know coming over here has to be one of the best decisions I made because quite frankly big stompy robots are my thing.