DID WE REALLY NEED A TERMINATOR 2 ?

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  • Опубликовано: 15 ноя 2024

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  • @MatthewMaloney-fj4zz
    @MatthewMaloney-fj4zz Месяц назад +1

    Terminator 2 was really made for one overriding reason and it wasn't just a cash grab: Cameron wanted to realize the liquid metal effect. He'd had that idea way back when conceiving the first movie but couldn't do it because of the limitations of the technology back then. So he dropped it for the first movie but as the '80s developed and he experimented with a prototype of that effect on The Abyss, he realized that CGI was making his dream of a liquid metal Terminator a real possibility. It also helped that by 1991 Schwarzenegger was a much bigger star than in 1984, so any new Terminator movie starring him was bound to be a box office hit. Plot-wise, though, you're right, I've always considered T2 just a rehash of T1 but with a twist: this time they're after the boy and not his mother.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      It was definitely an important step for the industry and sci fi movies. Much came form the effects innovations. Thanks for the comment!

    • @MatthewMaloney-fj4zz
      @MatthewMaloney-fj4zz Месяц назад

      @@robsmoviecollection3715 Not all the consequences were good though. There's a good article online I recommend called "Terminator 2 at 30: Groundbreaking sequel that led to CGI laziness". Well worth a read.

  • @nigeldonaldson1647
    @nigeldonaldson1647 Месяц назад +3

    I agree about another Terminator film being unecessary.
    But the sequel was very well made (although repeating the chase story again) it didnt disgrace the original film, as so many sequels so often do, TERMINATOR 2 is perhaps the more important film of the two, because of the emphesis on the nuclear threat more, & the struggle to survive was even more amped up, Cameron didnt want anyone else directing a sequel which explains the long time gap between the 2 films.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      The sequel WAS very well made and it gave us one of the most unique characters in sci fi in the T-1000 so despite it all I'm glad we have it. And you made a great point about it not disgracing the original film. So many of these sequels and continuation these days can't seem to handle that and they often end up killing the originals characters we grew up with (see my video-Stop killing my guys). A great comment thank you very much!

    • @nigeldonaldson1647
      @nigeldonaldson1647 Месяц назад

      @@robsmoviecollection3715 I'm glad to please & inform.

  • @Jonatan-Sidvall
    @Jonatan-Sidvall Месяц назад +2

    Well, I think the idea that another evil Terminator and a protector were sent back in time could be explained by Kyle being briefed on a need-to-know basis. And I think that was Cameron's intention with the Future War sequences he wrote but never filmed for T2. Anyway, subscribed!

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      Very good point!

    •  Месяц назад +2

      Is it in the novellisation?

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      That's a good point too. Often there are extra bits of info in these novelizations.

  • @Hello-World-x
    @Hello-World-x Месяц назад +3

    Fun fact, you can count from good to bad just in regular order.. T1, T2, ... T3, T4,.... T5, T6

  • @audio9679
    @audio9679 Месяц назад +7

    I agree on just T1 and T2. Because they do find the Arm and Cpu. , its like technology getting a advanced push in these findings, and getting the T1000 arriving

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +2

      FInding the arm and destroying it and the T-800 was a good call. I would have liked the happy ending with Sarah as a grandmother.

  • @SteveNeil-h9e
    @SteveNeil-h9e Месяц назад +7

    T1 and T2 and that is the end.

  • @papabird4425
    @papabird4425 Месяц назад +15

    T2 is cinematic perfection.

    • @eluberimabib4070
      @eluberimabib4070 Месяц назад

      No

    • @papabird4425
      @papabird4425 Месяц назад

      @eluberimabib4070 alright, I will politely hear your complaints. Just know that if it involves the philosophical and logical failures of time travel, I'm discounting that out of hand.

    • @eluberimabib4070
      @eluberimabib4070 Месяц назад

      @@papabird4425 oh it does not, I assure you. I guess you just had to be 15 years old to watch the first one. It has atmosphere. T2 does not have that.

    • @papabird4425
      @papabird4425 Месяц назад +1

      @eluberimabib4070 it's a different atmosphere, certainly. I like both for different reasons.
      One is like cyberpunk horror, the other is full on action. I can appreciate both

    • @deydraniadiancecht8298
      @deydraniadiancecht8298 Месяц назад

      @@eluberimabib4070 It didn't have the same atmosphere, but it did have its own atmosphere. It was a great movie. It made 4 times as much money as T1.

  • @LukeLovesRose
    @LukeLovesRose Месяц назад +2

    Not necessarily but the world of cinema would definitely be a lesser place without Terminator 2: Judgment Day. It is arguably the greatest, most influential and timeless action film ever made

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +2

      I have to agree. Despite it all it has had an an incredible influence on cinema and special effects!

  • @eagle-eye125
    @eagle-eye125 Месяц назад +5

    You make a perfectly valid point, but really movies will always put profit above story, so sequels will inevitably degrade. Best thing to do is use your own head cannon to decide what to keep or discard.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      That's true. And don't get me wrong, I'm glad they made it because it's a great film. I'm just talking from a story point of view.

    • @tommyhatcher3399
      @tommyhatcher3399 Месяц назад +1

      it use to be like that, now it's just about worshipping women. A new femenist movie comes out every day and they lose money but these movies keeping getting made. They're not happy about it, which is why they insult they call the audience sexist, but these movies aren't slowing down. It isn't about profit anymore.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      @@tommyhatcher3399 Well said. No one likes to be preached to when they go see an entertaining movie especially in this genre. Sure there are good films with messages but these days they hit you over the head with it and if you don't agree 100 percent, it's like you say-You're a sexist pig! Give the character a good story and a good character arc regardless of gender and you'll have a successful movie. Going back a la Dark fate and erasing the "terrible man savior" and replacing hi with a woman just alienates your audience.

  • @BornAgainRN
    @BornAgainRN Месяц назад +1

    If he’s gonna make another terminator film, it should come out in 2029, which was the year mentioned in the original film when Kyle Reese is sent back in time to 1984 to protect Sarah Connor. By then, CGI and AI should be advanced enough where they can make the Kyle Reese character look exactly like Michael Biehn at that age. But then that should be it! Although they attempted to do this in Genisys, all you saw was a few brief scenes of this, but they completely polluted the timeline unnecessarily.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      Oh my God I thought I felt old when we hit 2015 and I realized it was the "future" that Marty McFly went to in Back to the future 2! Now were only a couple of years away from the Terminator future-and the end of that war, lol!

  • @tommyhatcher3399
    @tommyhatcher3399 Месяц назад +1

    I think so. The Terminators look so awesome, up there with aliens and predators, and the story and setting and music and everything is something so cool, it's worth returning to as much as possible. The sequels sucked, yes, but if they stuck with real effects instead of CGI, maintained the horror, made the bad guy actually seem threatening, they couldn't go wrong. Terminator movies are like Mega Man games in that way. People these days go on about Ripley and Sarah, but the main draw of those films were Arnie in the first one, and T-1000 in T2.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      You're right, Ripley and Sarah are great characters and heroes but every hero is only as good as their opponent and they have fantastic ones in the Terminators and the xenomorphs for sure Love the comment i really appreciate it!

  • @matthewjohnson6886
    @matthewjohnson6886 Месяц назад +2

    Aliens was epic and a worthy sequel.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Yeah, another example. Not really needed from a story point of view but glad they made it because it was amazing and it helped that the tone was so different than the first one. That current one that's playing seems to be a retread of the first one with modern day CGI. But I haven't seen it so I'm just going by what I've heard and seen in the many trailers. A lot of people seems to have liked it and its done well at the box office I guess.

  • @deydraniadiancecht8298
    @deydraniadiancecht8298 Месяц назад +2

    Yes we did. It was a great movie. We didn't need 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, etc....

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Never said it WASN'T a great movie. I think it's one of the best. My point is just from a story point of view. And I agree the ones that came after were not needed and only ended up deconstructing the franchise and it's characters.

  • @dr.juerdotitsgo5119
    @dr.juerdotitsgo5119 Месяц назад +1

    Absolutely, positively did NOT need a sequel. The fact that a great summer blockbuster was made is beside the point.

  • @xavierramirez1911
    @xavierramirez1911 Месяц назад +1

    i say it makes sense the original terminator had a sequel. but what they should’ve done instead of making genysis was make a sequel to salvation and have it circle back to the first film where future john sends kyle reese back in time

  • @captainhowlerwilson508
    @captainhowlerwilson508 Месяц назад +1

    I will agree that it may not have been necessary at first, but when it was made, it ended up not only being great and in my personal opinion better than the original. When it comes to the movie explaining things, I have to say that I don't even think the first movie explains everything about time travel either. It explains enough and doesn't bombard you with exposition, but I doubt Kyle Reese's knowledge was complete and there might have been gaps in what he knew about the time machine that would be left to interpretation.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Thank you that was a great comment! We know that Kyle certainly didn't know that he had fathered John Conner so I guess it makes sense that there would be other info that John may have kept from him.

  • @QuidamByMoonlight
    @QuidamByMoonlight Месяц назад +1

    I don’t consider T2 a cash grab because it was clear both Schwarzenegger and Cameron had a lot more they wanted to do and explore there artistically. Cameron was no longer limited by a small budget, and that created some cool moments. But yeah, in retrospect, everything after T2 was really not necessary.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Good comment! They certainly had more to add form a effects point of view. The technology that created the T-1000 was a leap forward in special effects that benefited the whole film industry for decades. And we certainly got one of the best character arc for Sarah Conner. She was so different in the second film!

  • @ericstaples7220
    @ericstaples7220 Месяц назад +1

    I think the Skynet that sent the T-1000 back is a different Skynet from the one in the first movie. That can explain how they sent back new Terminators.
    T2 is still relevant as giving us one of the greatest heroines in cinema.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      I agree about the heroine. Sarah Conner is one of the greats and I even think she's already heroic in the first one two, especially at the end. I t was great character arc for her.

  • @MrFrankey28
    @MrFrankey28 Месяц назад +1

    For me Terminator 1 and 2 are the best movies ever made with Arnold Schwarzenegger as the cyborg. After that it became more worse. Terminator 1 was a dark, creepy movie where he was the real Terminator..That fearless unstoppable killing machine! In Terminator 2 he more became the good guy the protector who wasn't allowed to kill anymore, but it has a great storyline with lot of action. But after that the Terminator became more civillized, especially in Terminator Dark Fate wich is a great movie with Linda Hamilton back in action. I always wonder why he stays the same Terminator the T800 in all the movies, and never give him a upgrade like the T1000 or T-X. However Arnold Schwarzenegger will always be the one and only Terminator, no one can replace him.

  • @theretrogamer1
    @theretrogamer1 Месяц назад +6

    Terminator 3 wasnt directed by james cameron and us rubbish but T1 and T2 are perfect!

    • @kyleday5026
      @kyleday5026 Месяц назад +1

      what issues with 3

    • @lowlowseesee
      @lowlowseesee Месяц назад +1

      @@kyleday5026 terrible story, terrible acting. and much more lol

    • @kyleday5026
      @kyleday5026 Месяц назад +3

      @@lowlowseesee what made it terrible the tx was great and movie was not as bad as people say not like the sequels

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      @@kyleday5026 You're right about the sequels in my opinion. Genesis and Dark Fate make T3 look like a masterpiece!

    • @Chemical_Argentum
      @Chemical_Argentum Месяц назад +1

      @@kyleday5026Not only did T3 simply rinse and repeat stuff that we’d already seen in the 2 previous movies, but it also had WAY too much humor. T1 & 2 had intensity, and NONE of that were in T3. Or well, till the end anyway. Honestly, the twist at the end was the ONLY interesting thing about that movie

  • @kermitsghost
    @kermitsghost Месяц назад +2

    You make a good point Rob, I’ve always preferred the first Terminator movie more, perhaps because it was the only film in the franchise for a while and like you thought it was going to be a stand alone movie. I do enjoy them all to be fair and never considered the fact that T2 wasn’t necessary 🧐 surely they can’t ask Arnie back for another film 😬 (what about the TV show as well, there are dozens of Terminators in that 😮) take care mate👍😃👍

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      Some people seem to think I'm against it but they obviously didn't pay attention. I agree it's a great film and I'm glad to have it on my collection. BUt from a story point if view it was finished in the first film. Thanks ALan!

  • @marcushale1931
    @marcushale1931 Месяц назад

    T2 was unnecessary because it was a reboot disguised as a sequel. It had lost the gritty edge of the first movie and felt like a PG13 family movie, to make matters worse.

  • @GentsGiftGuide-premium
    @GentsGiftGuide-premium Месяц назад +1

    Cyberdyne problem was not solved in T1. In deleted scenes Sarah planed to go for it. So T2 was necessary to close this chapter.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      That brings up an interesting question: should deleted scenes be taken as canon? At the end of Superman 2 the phantom zone criminals lose their powers and slide down into the ice prompting Henry Cavill fans to say that Superman has killed before the whole snapping of Zod's neck. And yet in a deleted scene you can see the very much alive criminals being arrested as Superman and Lois talk to Lex Luthor. Should we consider that? But in a deleted scene of the Kevin Smith movie Clerks, Dante is killed by a robber in the store. If we considered that canon then their wouldn't have been a Clerks 2 or 3.

  • @jacobdiekhuis102
    @jacobdiekhuis102 Месяц назад +1

    That just comes to tell you that movie producers are running out of ideas I mean look at all the sequels that we've been getting I mean God made live versions of a bunch of Disney movies

  • @Fredhalldirectedition
    @Fredhalldirectedition Месяц назад +3

    Terminator 2 was a very good movie

  • @TheBthn
    @TheBthn Месяц назад +3

    İ agree too. Another Chapters was far away from this horror style.

  • @eluberimabib4070
    @eluberimabib4070 Месяц назад +1

    T1 is better than T2. T2 is just CGI and shit. T1 is perfection.

    • @captainhowlerwilson508
      @captainhowlerwilson508 Месяц назад

      I can understand you prefering the first movie, but T2 is not shit at all.

    • @eluberimabib4070
      @eluberimabib4070 Месяц назад

      @@TheWatchernator where did I say it was a shitty movie?

    • @eluberimabib4070
      @eluberimabib4070 Месяц назад

      @@TheWatchernator no worries. Basically all I'm saying is that I like T1 better than T2. The CGI effects in T2 were amazing for the time of course, but well. I guess I'm just from a different generation. T1 was massive.

  • @bijoybiswas1932
    @bijoybiswas1932 27 дней назад

    Yeah we did.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  27 дней назад

      That was a bit short. Could you possibly expand on that a bit? It's ok to have an opinion on it. Why did you think that? And keep in mind that my point was from a story/plot point of view. And please keep it civil.

    • @bijoybiswas1932
      @bijoybiswas1932 26 дней назад

      @@robsmoviecollection3715 nothing to explain. It's a banger, I love it every time I watch it and that I do a lot.

  • @marcozr3138
    @marcozr3138 Месяц назад +1

    No he's right he's exaggerating that they dident need a terminator 2 but I think that they butcherd this franchise they made to many of them terminator 1 and 2 is enouf I think that terminator 1 and 2 was enouf and they should of stopped at 2

  • @grey1951
    @grey1951 Месяц назад +1

    I've only seen T1 and T2. That was because I was challenged to watch them. In fact, a friend from work handed me the DVD of T1 and said: "Here. Watch it, Mike!" I liked T1, but T2 was just sort of OK. I never had any desire to see them again or see any sequels. Just not my style at all. I choose to ignore these franchises. You make some very good points here.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      HI Mike. You don't really need to see any more beyond T2. They get progressively worse and insulting. I'm glad we have T2 but I'm just saying the story was finished in the first one. But it's almost not worth getting into any franchise these days. They just keep ruining them!

  • @Watcherw1
    @Watcherw1 Месяц назад +1

    Maybe, terminator 2 should have been the first and only terminator film. I know people like the first one.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      My favorite is still the first one. But I don't hate the second one. I will always enjoy it but they should have stopped after that.

  • @1789balzac
    @1789balzac Месяц назад +3

    I have always thought this! T2 is good but the first movie is truly great.

    • @lowlowseesee
      @lowlowseesee Месяц назад

      they are so different in tone. just like alien and aliens. alien and t1 are essentially horror films. t2 and aliens are action films. t1 gets slept on because t2 is a cover song of t1 that is palatable for all audiences and visually captivating. t1 will give must folks paranoia lol

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Yes, I will always prefer T1 but I did enjoy T2 and it did provide the industry with some amazing special effects innovations.

  • @johnnycang
    @johnnycang Месяц назад +1

    No.. I love the first Terminator. But, never liked T2. Alotta people always said that was great and I never understood it. Terminator as the good guy never worked for me.

  • @derbrandmeister4660
    @derbrandmeister4660 Месяц назад +2

    No, there was no need for T2 really but it turned out to be a great movie. But I agree, there was no real need.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Agreed. A lot of people seem to be thinking that I don't think it should have been made. On the contrary I'm glad it was because I love it. I'm just talking story wise.

  • @lowlowseesee
    @lowlowseesee Месяц назад +1

    you guys forget that these guys want attention. its not about money anymore. old guy gets less sexy...how does old guy get young girls to see him as a rock star......you get your name everywhere and have jobs to offer

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      Yeah, Arnold doesn't seem to care much about story or legacy when they flash some cabbage in his face, lol!

  • @JuilanXAnime3188
    @JuilanXAnime3188 Месяц назад +1

    I agree i saw terminator 1 first and then seeing 2 second wasn’t much a fan of it as i was with T1 and it’s darker slash horror tone and chase along with the very believable character of Reese as a soldier with ptsd from the future I wanted more movies like this BADLY
    For me T1 over T2 anyday any year Iam still waiting for another horror slasher tone like T1 sci fi tone!
    I know I’ll get so much hate for this but oh well go suck and egg it’s my experience and opinion after all in my opinion sometimes less is better.
    I still have yet to watch the anime that came out recently
    Terminator Zero iam hearing good things about it like it sticks more to dark sci fi tones of the first terminator.

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад +1

      Hey you have a right to your opinion. Thanks for the comment and watch!

    • @JuilanXAnime3188
      @JuilanXAnime3188 Месяц назад +1

      @@robsmoviecollection3715 no problem anytime and great video by the way.

  • @HorribleHomeVideo
    @HorribleHomeVideo Месяц назад +1

    T1 is the best one, only the slowest of people will argue T2 is the best one.
    If a robot from the future was stalking me.. I'd think that is pretty scary, ah T1 is not just scifi but also a slasher & horror. T2 is watered down and removes the the fact it would be scary, making T2 only scifi & action.. it should be creepy and unsettling as well (but it never captures what T1 captured vibe wise).
    T2 is good, T1 is a masterpiece. The rest do not exist to me

    • @kyleday5026
      @kyleday5026 Месяц назад

      t1 not a horror

    • @robsmoviecollection3715
      @robsmoviecollection3715  Месяц назад

      A lot of people are expressing the horror point of view. That never occurred to me. I always saw it as a sci fi movie but I guess it does have a lot of the same qualities as a stalker/slasher type of movie.