Ok but, what about Super Earth's "Humans First" Policy? Are they gonna include all races as equals? Because if not, the aliens out number the Human a 1000 to 1. I only ask because you didn't make mention of that aspect.
I do believe it was adapter policies there xenophobic against stuff that is useful to them that actually fights back against them, but people are aliens that actually join them they would give rights to super is an ideology. It’s not just their system.
@@Commissar-24 see that’s the problem John Hill diver is completely immune to the force as nothing can damage John Hell diver plus he would probably be exposed to the thing that gives the Jedi the force and obviously be one of the strongest force users plus the Highground would immediately weekend Darth Vader to astronomical levels
Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing *starts force choke * General Brasch: I found your lack of propaganda disappointing Out of nowhere indoctrinated rebels appear ready to die for Super Earth
Propaganda? I am an agent from the ministry of Truth, and I find your suggestion that's super Earth lies to its citizens disturbing. You shall be investigated in re-educated
Nah, not really most of the actual best soldiers know better than to join the empire's canon fodder. The stormtroopers are good by all rights but no better than realistically attainable skills. The helldivers on the otherhand are basically super human by the things they're able to accomplish. Death troopers are a closer analog to helldivers but they're still not quite on that level. Divers regularly fight through situations where they are outnumbered by ridiculous amounts of enemies, like hundreds if not thousands. Stormtroopers do what their namesake implies, swarm you from all angles with overwhelming force. Basically the Stormtroopers might be able to pull it off but they'll need a ton of extra support and way more groundforces. Diver's personal arsenals are still leagues better without support from their ships, good enough to get the jobs done when support gets knocked out for whatever reason. The same can't be said for those poor troopers.
Am I the only one Immagining 200.000 super detroyers FTL jumping in Death Star range and sending 20 Hellpod before FTL jump away or get exploded? 24h MO Capture the Death Star
I think one thing you might be missing is how speciest Super Earth is. It's even in the game itself, that even talking to an alien is considered treason and should be punished by death. So basically anyone who isn't human would not want to join and might even be able to convince people to join the empire in order to fight against Super Earth.
I think another point of contention would be with the force. If you are speaking of the expanded universe, Super Earth wouldn't be able to use the force, and we have reason to believe this. When. The Yuuzhan Vong invaded from outside the main Star wars galaxy, they found out that they were both unable to use the force, but we're also immune to it. Granted I don't think that would help the helldiver's much, because the Yuuzhan Vong tech was entirely biological, and therefore had their immunity/inability, as opposed to the helldiver's wearing tech that can be push/pulled/manipulated with the force.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms I don't think that it was retaliation from the force,.I thought it was because they were from a different galaxy and that each galaxy has its own Force
@@joedepersiis9150 No, I distinctly remember learning about that and it being stated the Force retaliated. They messed up their own galaxy so badly that the Force decided to revoke their access privileges.
Empire: destroys a planet because "ThEy dOnT LiKe uS". Super earth: Destroy's a planet because "If we could do something else, we would...but we can't"😮💨
Imagine Super Earth declaring a major order to liberate the death star, just see hundreds of thousands of super destroyers surround it dropping 380s and orbital railcannons and lasers. That would be a sight for warfare xD
No, that is from the Planet's surface, though we do get to see them. A lot of them. Remember the massive fleet that took Cyberstan and that quadrant of the galaxy? The news report about it did show ships! The more you know.
It is stated in lore that they have military spaceships that fight space battles and that they are stated to be as expensive as a single super destroyer. Meaning there is billions of Mooom destroying ships they have that can fight space battles
the cyborgs were originally miners who worked on cyberstan, not rebels, and they started adapting their bodies to survive the cold conditions of their planet and then super earth tried to stop them and that’s why they went to war
The reason the Cyborgs rebelled was because Super Earth's influence, which meant that their influence wasn't as deep. They saw Super Earth for what it was, and they wanted it gone. But we all know how that went.
An interesting fact about helldivers space combat is that we know that there are dedicated space combat ship like the liberty class cruiser, and that they are incredibly effective (at least in the helldivers universe) bc helldivers are only deployed to planets where super earth has complete space superiority as super destroyers in low orbit would be incredibly vulnerable to other star ships. And super earth can establish space superiority pretty mush as soon as a supply line is opened up from another planet.
Role-play aside, yeah, Super Earth is kinda evil with how they deal with other species. However, it isn't as bad as you make it out to be. Firstly, the Cyborgs were the ones who initiated conflict against Super Earth. Cyberstan was originally a mining colony with very harsh conditions, which led the miners to have to get cybernetic limbs and whatnot due to losing limbs. It started when the Cyborgs, who at that point held very different beliefs than Super Earth. So they took the opportunity to break away from Super Earth while they were dealing with the bugs, believing Super Earth wouldn't go after them since they were already at war with something else. They were wrong. Secondly, the Terminids, though not inherently evil, were a highly invasive and slightly aggressive species that happened to have a very unique blood type. But that wasn't the reason for the start of the war. It was pretty much just for territorial reasons originally and to get rid of the invasive Terminids, but by the end of the war, Super Earth had discovered the special properties of the Terminids' blood. Which Super Earth then began to contain and genetically modify the bugs to not be hostile anymore. Which then allowed them to farm the Terminids, just like we do with cows and other livestock. Lastly, the war against the Illuminate was not started instantly, but it was very quick and was sparked when Super Earth High Command had discovered the Illuminate's Planet-Buster bombs, (not fake information by the way, they actually did have those) which were a huge national threat. (and also a really good excuse to invade) which led Super Earth to believe the Illuminate were "plotting against them" and got pretty paranoid about the Illuminate's tech before declaring war against them, and from what I understand, pretty much just to steal their tech not because they were a threat. Plus, it says in the lore that the Illuminate were forced to sign a treaty that made them hand over all their tech and be forced to leave the Milky Way and never return. Which is pretty messed up, but at the very least, they didn't genocide them.
much of that was made up by super earth probably, but yeah (which is what I would say if I was a traitor). Also the bit about the reunification was very wrong, there was a ww3 and afterwards super earth was created.
@Dragonseer666 Yeah, I'm not sure where he got that information from. Also, I agree that some of the information is most likely twisted to fit Super Earth's narrative (which is what I would say if I were a traitor). I believe a lot of it is, to a degree, true.
@@MichaelThomas-q3m they could but they are still out numberet and imperial technology with helldiver tech against imperial technology with more troopers and technically everything is still gonna loose.
I think you forget one thing tho, for every 1 active hell diver that is a super destroyer in orbit, and when the hell divers start gathering on one planet there is 40k+ super destroyers with each having enough weapons to remove a small moon from existence that is enough ships to be able to take out most ISD 2s that would arrive
The galactic empire at its peak had millions of warships at its disposal as well as 25,000 star destroyers each isd has the capability to glass an entire planet
@yunggaryy3088 yes but they were very spread out, plus the super destroyers are just 1 ship in the super earth navy, i think that unless the empire brought a good chunk of its resources together into one major ball super earth would just peace meal the empires navy
@@David-jt9ntnot really. One star destroyer should be worth multiple super destroyers considering the lore. This isn’t counting cruisers, the eclipse star destroyers which are planet busting star destroyers with a death star laser attached. For every type of ship that super earth has the empire has a more powerful ships. Lower-end ships for the empire would be almost on the level of a potential cruiser from super earth. As for ground battles i definitely see hell divers beating out storm troopers for a most part. The weapons of the empire are way more potent. For reference in lore(cannon lore or the only lore we have to go off) blaster bolts are as fast as light. And turbo lasers output more power than the largest nuke we have with modern technology.
@martinezseymore3007 assuming those numbers are accurate the laser on each super destroyer (remember the weakest combat ship in the super earth navy) has a around 22 terawatt laser that it can bring to bare, and with an ISD2 turbo laser being around 20 TW based on what we have seen it do on screen the ISDs are going to have a fight
@@David-jt9nt i never assumed anything in official lore they are known to glass planets. We don’t see this in movies or tv shows because they aren’t told to in the movies or on screen in general. A isd is calculated to have around 450 terrawats of power in a single blast as a low ball and a low end scale. And books actively state star destroyers can turn the surface of a planet into slag. Not multiple are needed to do this just one. This is in official lore but the numbers i gave you earlier were a estimation for the lower end based on the asteroid destruction seen in the empire strikes back. But if you don’t believe The Bounty Hunter Wars Book 2: Slave Ship, page 248 describes the recoil of a turbolaser cannon: The laser cannons being mounted into the open skeletal frames required bracing and recoil-dissipation casings that would have withstood explosions measured in the giga-tonnage range. Anything less, and a single shot fired in battle would rip a destroyer or battle cruiser in two, a victim of its own lethal strength. This implies that the energy release from a turbolaser cannon is comparable to the detonation of a bomb with a yield of at least one gigaton (one thousand megatons). This translates to >4.186E18 joules. This is almost twice the estimate presented above (in relation to Base Delta Zero operations performed by 200 cannons). This is acceptable, since the estimate presented above for melting a planet's surface is very conservative, perhaps by an order of magnitude (this reference was provided by Ethan Platten). Curtis Saxton has also produced figures for the power of the Death Star's superlaser. These are also lower limits. He says that enough energy has to be applied to cause the entire mass of the planet to reach escape velocity, so it will not fall back together. He states: An approximate figure for the binding energy of Alderaan is: U = 2.4E32 joules. The superlaser burst is released over a period of somewhat less than but approximately equal to a second. Therefore the power of this weapon, which needs to exceed the power dissipation rate of any deflector shields of the target, is at least of the order of 2E32 W which expressed in Gigawatts is: 2E23 GW. This is just the energy required to destroy the planet, with the fragments being ejected at escape velocity, which would take hours to complete. Alderaan was destroyed in seconds, so the power level of the weapon is much greater than Mr. Saxton's estimated lower limit. A possibility also exists that the Death Star was not firing at maximum power. Nevertheless, even the low 2.4E32 joule lower limit is approximately 522600 times the power output of Earth's sun!
Biggest gripe I have on this whole fight is space superiority. Whoever controls space control everything, for example yes helldivers are stupid powerful with there strategems. But 1 start destroyer is enough to just 1 hit the regular super destroyer. and without any strategems, orbial support, and air support, there just regular soldiers with regular guns. Now for the SEAF there just going to get destroyed due to the empire space supremacy with the use of orbital bombardments. even if your already invading a planet having no supplies due to the empires blockade and constant orbital bombardments will just tire you out till you either surrender or all get exterminated. This was a cool experiment of which fighting force would win. But the biggest deciding factor was who would control the space. And sadly for the helldivers the empire would just easily take that spot. There entire military is completely focus on there Navy than ground troops.
did you not watch the video? this was talked about, we as the helldivers dont get to see any space combat because helldivers are ground troops, dont assume super earth has zero space combat capabilitys
@@ammonford1122 Yeah i heard it from the video but the main gripe here is that in star wars we see alot of naval combats and each ships capabilities. While helldivers 2 we cant identify how effective there own ships are plus there ships are mainly just armored without shielding compared to regular star destroyers. Also if I remember star destroyers turbo lasers has a far more effective firing range than regular slugs (kenetic rounds) in a space battle.
@@scottrosalejos8202 i think there was a comic were the empire fired an orbital strike and that desimated the surface and had major consequences for the planet.
helldivers might actually be incredibly powerful light side force users, since they're so selfless on the individual level, really they have a lot in common with the Jedi in terms of their indoctrination.
Honestly regardless of power levels any full scale galactic war is going to create enough openings for the rebel alliance to more easily blow up the Death Star and assassinate the emperor.
I think the galaxy would unite at some point because Super Earth will ABSOLUTELY want xenocide of all the alien species they encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd declare the humans in the Star Wars universe inhuman too.
All the helldivers feats depend on the player skill. It's like saying that average stormptooper acts like the one controlled by real player in battlefront.
Something you missed: Super Earth wouldn't be able to use, or even sense, the force right out of the gate. First, the Empires initial cleansing and subsequent continuous monitoring and collection of force sensitive individuals means Super Earth could take years to learn about the existence of the force, and even longer to realize the possibilities. Since they don't have midichlorians, they would have to breed them in by mixing with locals or devise some way to find out which conscripsts are force sensitive.
34:51 Not true; the rebels had to fly into the incomplete death star to reach the core. The vent allowed a straight shot to the core from the surface. That means they must have changed the design, otherwise they would have had a clean shot at the core without Lando risking his life and Han's ship by bringing it within the blast radius of the core.
+ they made shield for death star, if helldivers didnt destory shields(9/10 times they wouldnt because they dont have plot armor) they cannot destory death star And empire was fighting on surfice only when they were defending and when they couldnt destroy rebel shields on hoth. Empire couldnt blow it up so they sended vader to deal with them. Empire turned mandalore from deassert surface to glass because they knew that bombarding was easier. then they outnumbered remaining mandalorians . I dont think that helldivers could win without shields and even if they had them there is death star
The Hell Diver K/D is impressive but highly dependent on heavy weapons, orbital support, and their armor working effectively. If I blaster goes through any better then the divers will suffer.
I’d argue the automatons have a blaster equivalent and so do the helldivers. Helldiver body armor is likely on par if not better than stormtrooper body armor, and that’s disregarding the bubble shield backpack and stationary bubble shield
@captiancholera8459 that's a good point. I'm not entirely sure what the mechanism behind automaton "blasters" is, so we couldn't say for sure how it stacks up to blasters. It does provide a solid benchmark tho.
I think that, initially, Star Wars is just going to be too advanced in space combat to ever lose battles without some huge numerical advantage for Super Earth. On the ground though, the Empire's equipment has been proven to be ineffective to projectiles and their fire rate and range is ridiculously low. Super Earth will gain ground initially through surprise before getting smashed in space. Then Super Earth will come back and own once they've incorporated the Star Wars tech.
yes but empire is most of the time bombarding against strong armies and even mandalorians with almost indestuctible armor died because empire destroyed their planet and turned it into glass only time we see combat on land is empire deffending or capturing rebel basis that are imune to bombardment and i dont think that helldivers have that tech so it wouldnt be so hard for empire
This guy saying how the HDs have great ground support capabilities. Like the Empire don't do Base Delta zero?😂 Star wars. Weapons are literally plasma. This guy says how a stormtrooper weapons can't beat HD armour? And apparently Darth Vader loses to General Dumb..
@@gastoncoscia5031 force users have blocked it before, Obi wan blocked multiple continuous Lazer beam turrets in the clone wars series and so has Mace windu in the 2003 clone wars.
The mandilorians had a comment that is interesting. They said something along the lines of the most sure way to kill a jedi was to glass the planet, but it still wasn't a garunteed method. ie there was a point where mandaloriams tried to glass a planet to kill a jedi and the jedi survived.
They're also killed by blaster fire at close range by clones. Yeah Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, and some of the better ones might survive against divers. But they are almost never alone. When they are, the common jedi gets cut down pretty quick by concentrated fire from multiple angles. Even some of the greatest went down because of order 66. Numbers, concentrated fire, and the element of surprise almost wiped out the jedi. But we're talking about the sith. Who operate on the rule of 2. Theres only 2 of them. I highly doubt even Vader would stand up for too long against divers it might take hundreds or even thousands, but there are hundreds of millions of divers alone. Super earth's soldiers dealt with precognicient beings once and they did it well. I don't think super earth would have a walk in the park fighting the empire, or even that it would be easy. I think super earth would have the hardest fought victory it's ever had but it will eventually be victorious. Super Earth has manpower on near Tau level from Warhammer 40k. Essentially meaning they've hit a critical mass with their population. Where in spite of the fact that they're at war on two fronts the population is growing rather than shrinking. Meaning more men are approaching the coming of age to serve than is feasibly plausible to kill quickly enough to drop the population by any percentage. Because in the time it takes to kill one diver hundreds maybe even thousands of people are hitting service age for the divers. Basically it won't matter if the star wars empire even has vastly better ships they would eventually be ground into nothing by an enemy who can't be strong armed, or outright overwhelmed, who steals pieces of their tech every time they fight, eventually becoming on par or worse than them, super earth's ships are real war machines intended specifically for war. Where as the empire builds their's for intimidation. Super earth is also far better suited to fighting an enemy force of equal or greater numbers than the star wars empire with Vader and Emperor Palpatine. The star wars empire was always the only big fish. It has no real wartime experience. Crushing rebels isn't quite the same as taking on a fully developed society with all of its own internal logistics. Rebels lose not because they lack numbers but production. They severely lack in their ability to construct ships at a pace necessary to win. So they lose over and over again. 😂
@realsuperbunnyman2460most combat situations, the Jedi/Inquisitors are supported by multiple soldiers who would be either be trained clones or inquisitorious troopers, who would make the focused fire needed to kill them harder to achieve or maintain. The helldiver's would inflict super heavy losses against base force users, but like the war against the mandalorians, they would still be putting in serious work on any squad level combat (probably not for the total war effort, Jedi are good, but probably only worth maybe 10 or so helldiver's) The star wars galaxy has 100 Quadrillion sentients, and has built armies of Quadrillions in the past, like the droid army from scratch in only a couple years. They'd rival the entire imperium of man in population base. The Helldiver's laugh off billions of losses like it's nothing, and between them and SEAF they probably have tens of trillions of soldiers. But in real life war, typically 2 to 10% of the population is recruited, the helldiver's would in all likelihood be dealing with quadrillions of soldiers. In the navy star wars ships have vastly greater firepower, a single ISD can glass entire planets even in the newer canon books. When it comes to the number of ships the legends empire had millions of capital ships, but in Canon it's unclear. We can probably assume the helldiver's have superior ship numbers than canon and while weaker than Star wars capital ships, they could still destroy them in large numbers, tho something like the death star would probably be completely untouchable for any conventional attack by their fleets. Also their superior fleet travel means they can concentrate their fleets better to ensure a constant numbers advantage. The helldivers could send their entire galactic fleet to corusant and overwhelm its fleet within hours The war would be very bloody for both sides and who ever wins would be dealing with trillions dead, but the winning factor more often I think would the Helldiver's, between their logistical advantage in space, and the fact that they have infinitely bigger morale than the empire. The empire consistently fails to inspire loyalty in any of their generals/soldiers/ and officers given how often they defect. Now imagine what happens when the helldivers try to recruit rebels and citizens of the galaxy with propaganda of a new galactic republic
@@RevanReborn3950BBY I've heard that, but somebody in this comment section mentioned how we've seen Jedi block bullets with their sabers and evade shotgun fire in the clone wars series. He even gave out the episode names and listed like 3 other books where they handle it without issue. It seems to be an unsubstantiated fan theory. The fact that guys whose job is to kill Jedi like Cad bane and jango never use slugthrowers as their main weapon pretty much confirms this for me personally.
@ where? I’m going off the old stuff, but jedi were very vulnerable to slug throwers (aka guns) in the mandalorian warand machine guns fire noticeably faster than any laser weapon we see in star wars.
12:36 However the Star wars galaxy is much, much larger and arguably much more populous with hive like worlds like Corusant (to which Super Earth has no equivalent). According to a star wars guidebook the Republic had 1.600.000 Member worlds during the Galactic War with the CIS. It's safe to assume most of them remained Loyal to the Empire as they were the ones who voted Palpatine in in the first place. And even if not, the core worlds and inner rim were very much pro empire or at least apathetic to the Empire and they are certainly much larger than the amount of planets Super Earth controls. And depending on the timeline, the Empire definitelly enjoyed majority support. Until the destruction of Aldeeran most rich worlds supported Palpatine because he advanced their interests. Most humans supported the Empire because of the Human Supremacy. And most former Pro Republican Worlds supported the Empire because it's the successor of the Republic which won them the civil war against the hated CIS. The early rebellion were pretty much just a few disgruntled Senators who lost their power to Palpatine and former CIS Worlds.
...dog helldivers alone in less than a year of its current campaign have taken 2.5 billion casualties and are still fighting... they are not out numbered.
@@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130I’d say 1 million Galactic Empire worlds over the Super Earths 261 worlds is a massive massive outnumbering. The Galactic Empire can sustain loosing billions while Super Earth Federation mathematically can’t.
@@racspartan1helldivers fans have become so delusional to the point they think because it’s a video game super earth has an infinite amount of resources and production capability they can muster up millions of troops and ships because millions of helldivers died over the span of months fighting over a single sector despite the number of active helldivers at the games peak didn’t even exceed 500k 💀
@@yunggaryy3088 Star Wars with over a million planets can sustain losing billions of men in about a year. If it’s spread over the planets evenly it’s about 1900 dead a year if my math is right which is not many of you take a whole planet’s population.
@@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130 empire killed 6 billion rebels on alderaan and they were fighting another 10 years and they are only a rebels + cis had quintilions of droids and they lost so they are out numbered
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Um... Bro... You just forgot about the SUPER Xenophobia of SUPER earth, they'll not gonna fuck up with the huge ammount of aliens in the worlds they would conquer, they'll just gonna kill em' all and that might increase the threath of the rebels that higly defend the lifes of any alien in the galaxy, i mean... Most of the people in the worlds that are not conquered by the Empire have a LOT of people that are just getting married with a 5ft tall bug 💀
Humans are by far the most populous species in the galaxy. I can see Super Earth letting any humans join and start wiping out aliens. So plenty of power hungry humans would join up, but anyone who likes aliens isn’t going to be cool with the alien genocide. I don’t know if it will turn the tide though.
True but super earth likes to colonize and make use of all the resources a planet has and would most likely enslave the whole planet so they could learn about their tech
I mean, they've only fought against 2 alien races, and one of those races was more like animals than sentient beings, and the other had a superiority complex and commie culture. In both cases Super Earth has more reasons to fight the aliens than for being aliens. I'm pretty sure there's lore somewhere that there were plans for peaceful coexistence with the terminids before SE found out their blood was oil.
Tbh I think super earth won’t kill the other unless they don’t submit the democracy or they have something they want. So the hutts, pykes and weequay are definitely going to die hutts and pykes for their spice. Weequay for piracy.
16:00 you can actually see automaton ships in sky if there is a background light source like a sun or a gas giant behind them. You can also see them battling other ships, most likely some other class of SEAF ship as super destroyers provide close air support in most cases/air to ground support
In order to use the Force, you have to have a natural sensitivity to it. Being from another universe, it's questionable if the Helldivers and Super Earth as a whole would even have the Force in them at all, let alone have the capacity to use it. They'd basically be blank spots to the Force, like looking at a cold spot with thermal vision. So they likely wouldn't be capable of weaponizing it at all.
False. Characters in Star Wars who are not attuned to the force have been taught to be attuned. Guns have been made in Star Wars that use the force. The force can be measured via technology with scanners through midichlorians. It’s nowhere near as special as people keep saying.
@@rougarabid What you're describing still relies heavily on people already sensitive to the Force training others and imbuing weapons with Force power. And even then, the upgrade is only temporary. You can't just store the Force into a container, at least not for very long. Not gonna sit here and pretend to be the ultimate expert on the subject, but from what I know, the Force is simultaneously way more complicated and way simpler than people make it out to be. It was basically written that way. But one consistent thing is that you can't just teach some random jobber how to use the Force. Certain conditions need to be met. Being in a place strong with the Force for a long time is one such condition. Even if Super Earth could do it, which is a big "if," it's not like the Empire will just sit back and let that happen. The Empire would double down on efforts to control planets and areas strong in the Force. Also, not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion on who would win. Just pointing out some flaws in your overall argument. This is all still in good fun, and I'm not trying to be a killjoy. I just think it'd be harder to weaponize the Force than you stated.
@@rougarabidyes is very specific and having the force isn’t going to make you Vader 2.0 That guy can take down skyscrapers and stop starships with low effort
@@ThegrandKrildbro saying that vader wouldnt have much impact in the war is an understatement. Vader at the mid way was carriyng the empire. 1000 rebels were surronding him and he just said" all im surronded is by fear and dead man" and killed every single one of them easely. Has for the emperor if he wanted to join the fight it would be another big problem.
@@rougarabidyea this video was biased one vader is stomping over a hundred hell divers. As for the hell divers they are losing big time. Hell divers won’t land on planets if all their destroyers get destroyed before they can exit the ship, blasters from storm troopers will likely melt or severely burn their armor aswell. Not counting other factors like lore. In lore a single destroyer from star wars would be enough to wipe out one helldiver army and even worse counting the actual size of the empire. And if you’re going with on screen storm troopers the helldivers take them out with ease. Legends storm troopers are absolutely doging the helldivers.
Hey bro, I don't know if u knew this, but the empire doesn't really use clones, they use random people from the planets they control, which actually would make them weaker than if they were clones lol
That’s not true. Not all are clones, but there are a very large number of clones throughout the empire. Many storm troopers are just clone troopers from the prequel trilogy.
@@rougarabidthough I have why do you keep using droids I ask since droids are purposely nerf and even with that clone troopers could take out 50 droids except not the big machine for your example so I'll give you that for the helldivers winning in ground combat If you're talking about clone troopers from the prequels and series from the prequels they can as pure storm troopers are basically militia and Clone troopers as stormers are veterans that probably killed 50 or so
@@MarkDXironwill You’re assuming. Clone troopers don’t fight alone and there’s 0 evidence that the clones were killing the droids 50 to 1 especially not in 1v50 fights.
@@rougarabid true the closest to that scenario would be that one episode I can't remember but basically it was a escape mission where the clone left behind to allow the escort to escape took as many droids and super battle droids as much as possible, of course I didn't count exactly how many but super battle droids are worth more than a single droid
@@rougarabidthen they would have to be old considering that clones age faster than non clones. In star wars rebels we see a group of clones from the clone wars series and they are old. Also the empire doesn't really do cloning anymore, most of imperial forces come from recruitment.
I'm guessing this video is gonna go like this "The force ain't that powerful!" "They have a deathstar that doesn't have a stupid hole to blow it up!" "That's without even bringing up John Hell Diver!"
@@Paintballperson-k2lyes they can. Vader could hold an entire planets water from crushing him. Comics and legends have jedi block star fighter power. As if the hell divers weren’t already cooked the jedi are way faster than they are being almost as fast as light.
@@Paintballperson-k2l yea it’s a difference but the main thing is that it means that any jedi or sith especially ones like Vader will be able to dodge almost any attack from the helldivers
16:37 We do know what automatns ships look like. Go to any automatn planet and look into the sky, It's a bit buggy but you can see ships shooting at each other, some even get shot down. And they are pretty big
Death star shooting in less than an our goes crazy Also that weak spot is literally 1 in a million chance even with the computer doing auto-aim While also vader being the best pilot in the entire galaxy destroying capital ships alone with that crazy precognition protecting the weakness (also weaponizing the force isn't a thing, the only weapon with the force are bateries made of jedi almost extint rock that creates lighsabers)
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Dude for Cyn all Super Earth needs to do is send in General Brasch or Jhon Helldiver and she is screwed most other factions like the Covenant, arachnids Grimm or the Read Alert soviets can be delt with by using the same tactics Super Earth uses against the bots and bugs
I feel like star wars from the clone wars has a better chance, the second super earth appears the republic and the CIS reach an alliance and then the helldivers will be fighting on one side trillions of droids and in the other clones that have trained since birth + thousands of jedi
honestly that would be awesome and terrifying, especially with old Sheev Plaply pulling the strings the clone troopers acting as the elite shocktroopers/force whilst the droids just flooding in with the sheer numbers. THAT I would like to see just in general. super earth would be the one's having their "buts f@#$%d" as Rouga puts it.
Rouga, I will say this; the empire has so many planets with so many bodies to throw at super earth that it really doesn’t matter if each helldiver can take out 50 stormtroopers. Also the space aspect would be the deciding factor due to logistics and orbital bombardment.
We don’t know the numbers of either military so I don’t see how you can argue this. We know 2 billion Helldivers have died in the last 7 or so months with no sign of slowing down or them being worried about casualties and they’ve killed 100 billion enemies in the same period. Helldivers are an elite faction of Super Earth and the SEAF which is the main fighting force dwarfs them in numbers. That’s literally all we know. We don’t know how many planets they have or how many they have in reserve. On the Star Wars side no number has ever been given for the amount of troopers. You’re just guessing on both.
So i wanna know about the armor. Stormtrooper armor (at least in legends) could tank bullets from slugthrowers. I don't know the caliber or velocity they shoot at but they could stop them. I don't know much about Helldiver armor but the question is, can helldiver guns penetrate Stormtrooper armor and can Stormtrooper Blasters penetrate Helldiver armor.
@@notsorrybricksanimationstu4917 We know the velocity to be hypersonic, at least the slugthrowers in the Shatterpoint novel, but the caliber is unknown
Most helldiver weapons have armor piercing rounds, and that includes their energy weapons. Unless stormtroopers have heavy vehicle grade armor, the helldivers won't have much issue.
Well I have survived two consecutive tank cannon shots, one eaten by my shield the other caught to the chest, Heldivers armour is pretty premium, have also survived strikes from eagle strafes though that’s a big gamble
Well the DSS, while much smaller than the Death Star, was built in only a few months. In a leaked video, it’s said the DSS obliterated a small moon in its first test run. Helldivers are also only allowed to fight when total aerial superiority is achieved, meaning every planet they can fight on, their automation or illuminate fleets have already been destroyed. Martechi has some cool concept animations of possible super earth ships. The weapons of super destroyers may also have a slight advantage over Star destroyers, as they have turbo lasers which in the lore are plasma and relatively slow, but super earth ships have railcannons and powerful (and real) laser beams. This is a similarity between the covenant and unsc from halo, as covenant had shielded ships that could still be pierced by MAC cannons.
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725 really important to know the actual size of the moon. Cause the smallest of moons like Diemos can be destroyed by conventional nukes since it's so small, smaller than 9 kilometers. It has to be smaller than our own moon, so assuming it's half the actual moons size it'd be a little smaller than Pluto. That kinda firepower is somewhat matched by star wars frigates, who can canonically blast melt ice moons 1000 kilometers wide (Star Wars complete vehicles new edition) this is ironically more powerful than just blowing up a 1000 kilometer moon (Edit, I was wrong, still very close, like 2/3s the energy needed) In every on screen depiction of orbital bombardment, turbolazers rounds cross thousands of miles within seconds. They are quite fast
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo Isn't Complete Vehicles New Edition a Legends lore book? I've heard from more dedicated SW fans that some of the legends numbers are kinda BS. I can't recall any onscreen battles where ships engage each other beyond like 10 miles, and you can follow the speed of the lasers fairly easily. When Thrawn bombarded Atollon, they weren't that far off as it only takes a couple hundred miles to orbit Earth, Atollon must be close to earth's size because of gravity. It also took longer than a few seconds for them to come in, but of course editing could been to make it seem longer or shorter for the beams to hit. Plasma is also matter, so it would be assisted by gravity. They are also relatively easy to dodge.
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725The complete vehicles new edition is canon and was published 2021, you are thinking of the ICS. If you look at how small the earth sized planets are in view for all on screen bombardments, it's thousands of miles away. Remember the ISS is 200 miles above earth and earth covers their entire view from the window. Stuff like the battle of Hoth is shown to be more like 6,000 miles away (we can compare to actual satellite images 6,000 miles away). In the admiral trench arc of the clone wars, in order to hide from an orbiting fleets turbolazers, a republic fleet had to hide behind an actual moon, the average moon is hundreds of thousands of miles away from their planets, if we take the smallest moon to planet distance we know of its still 6,000 miles. This lines up with books like the ROTS novel, where ranges of hundreds of thousands of kilometers are explicitly stated. The small battle ranges and slow moving rounds are simply to look cool on screen
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo I see, but if we can track them so easily with the naked eye, do they not move slowly (relative to a bullet per se) since they are also plasma, or do they actually move slow beacuse of the plot/make it look cool?
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725 probably to look cool, turbolazers are like blasters where no matter the scene, they always take a couple frames to hit their target. So in up close battles, they move slow, and then in far off battles or orbital bombardments, they move at insane speeds. Directors don't care for the consistency only storytelling
The super destroyer is not the only ships super earth has. You know there has to be a larger ship since the regular army of Super Earth is not being deployed or transported by a super destroyer. In my honest opinion, super destroyers are probably truly classified as frigates since they have a small crew compliment and have one hanger.They also probably have cruiser, battleship, carriers, orbital invasion ships, and long range arty ship
The Empire does have its own elite teams as well; like Inferno Squad. The TL-50 Heavy Repeater and the NT-242 Heavy Sniper can do some serious damage. Also, since clone troopers were discussed, there’s also the Republic Commandos and ARC Troopers with their various arsenals.
Ok i think all non humans in the galactic empire would support the empire and even the humans would to cuz humans in super earth hate aliens but star wars humans don't so i think the rebels at some point would stop fighting the empire
Im litteraly going to explode into a pile of meat if you think a storm trooper and a clone trooper are the same thing They have very similar armor BUT their helmet is masisvley different and in terms of which is better a stormtrooper cant shoot anything infront of them, recruited by the empire and is usually canon fodder A clone trooper is a clone made from the physically strongest human alibe with quick reaction time and learning speed and on avarage kill 200 droids before dying The republic and the empire are 2 VERY different things
Honestly Stormtroopers are menacing as hell, their portrayal in the films and sometimes other media’s just gives them a bad rep. They are supposed to be incredibly dangerous troops the empire has. Well not including the higher elites, but either way that being said. It depends on which portrayal of the stormtroopers we talking about.
@@ultraoverloadx9333yeah if you judge them by the movies they aren’t good since plot armor (main characters are main characters) but in the real lore storm troopers are elite
@@ultraoverloadx9333 yes they only lost because they were caught of guard and they were fighting locals with rebels but on hoth we could see that even if they made lot of mistakes they would won.
Video ideas UNSC Vs Super Earth Ahsoka Tano (Star Wars) vs Fred-104 (Halo) Cyn (Murder Drones) vs lore accurate General Brasch and Jhon Helldiver Death Troopers (Star Wars) vs Sisters of Battle (Warhammer 40K) Master Chief (Halo) vs Senator Armstrong (Metal gear rising) Pixy (Ace Combat Zero) vs Crimson 1 (Project Wingman) Task Force 141 (COD) vs Alpha 9 (Halo)
@Wildgamer2205 united nations security Council vs helldivers. The Un is not beating future earth😭 then Fred 104 vs ahsoka with no plot armor is... not going well.. then Cyn vs general brash or John helldiver. Cmon. The death troopers would take only a few sisters out before all dying. Their just stormtroopers with better aim and fancy armor.. then crimson 1 is the whole villian, I dont think pixy could win but almost. Then a COD group vs halo guys is... like the tech Mashups are... Anyway if I made mistakes pls tell me I would like to know more bout each of these guys
@@Paintballperson-k2l 1 I meant The United Nations Space Command from halo. 2 the sisters of battle have very little in terms of armor protection and most of them only carry swords, so I think the Death Troopers have a shot at winning. 3 ODST in Alpha-9 use ballistic weapons such as the M7S SMG, MA5C Assault rifle and M6 Magnum pistol so pitting them against Task Force 141 isn't crazy. 4 Crimson 1 and Pixy are the villains of their respective games, and they are both great pilots in their own right, so their fight is going to be much closer than you think. 5 while yes Ahsoka can't beat Fred by just stabbing him with her lightsabers and their reaction time is close enough where a fight between the two would be 50/50 imo. General Brasch bench pressed a tank just by drinking Liber-Tea and he tanked lasers like nothing from the bots and caught a missile mid-flight and threw it back at the enemy so yeah, I think Cyn is going to have a tough time beating him
@@Wildgamer2205 You misunderstood the Brasch one, he's going to stop Cyn into nonexistence in the name of democracy without even using his shield that makes him immune to all damage. He was wrong about why but UNSC still has no shot against Super Earth, they have a fraction of the numbers and even if each Spartan is worth 500 Helldivers that's still less casualties than the Creek. The Sisters are absolutely as powerful as he made them sound, 40k isn't as OP and unbeatable as people act like it is but they are very OP. Crimson 1 is a better pilot with a better aircraft, but that one real would be kinda close. ODSTs stomp anything from any COD by pure virtue of dramatically better weapons and armor, yeah Halo uses similar calibers but with more advanced propellants, and modern rounds would struggle to break their armor.
Based destruction is spectacular but as he says, "clones" and even imperials have ion weapons. These turn helldiver power armored soldiers into heavy non powered statues.
Personally i think a halo wars/command and conquer type helldivers game would be sick Also Stormtrooper armor is optimised for plasma weaponry not bullets
Just want to say that the super Earth Navy does have more ships other than the Super Destroyer which are more powerful. We do hear about them in game such as the Liberty class cruiser, so we can assume they have other larger ships as well. That said we have no clue what they look like
@@thatall1145 I think that's just the old super dd. Still, if it isn't, the super dd changed so much in design between the games in the 100 years between them, that it's safe to assume the other ships also would.have gotten a massive make over
Helldivers can actually kill jedis very easily since the light sabers don’t block physical slugs and force isn’t fast enough to repel them. These guns did exist in Star Wars too but both sides agreed to never use them for some reason.
The Jet Brigade ship implies that Super Earth has quite sizeable space combat ships (most likely different to a super destroyer) also the DSS is just the first combat space station, others literally must exist
I wanna see how Darth Vader would deal with any of the following: 2 AC-8 Autocannon crews unloading their entire backpacks on full-auto 4 GR-8 Recoilless Rifles at once 4 RS-422 Railguns on unsafe mode 8 EAT-17s in quick succession 4 M-105 Stalwarts mag-dumping at maximum RPM 4 RL-77 Airburst Rocket Launchers from various directions 4 FAF-14 Spear launchers 16 "Oops, all barrages" at once Orbital Laser
he could probably catch any rockets with the force, but yeah, anything that fires bullets is gonna be a problem, like say, an orbital airburst strike, just thinking about how viscerally those rounds slam into the ground, yeah nah he done
@@canadiangopnik7007napalm, arc thrower, tesla tower, eagle strafing run and of course the airburst strike. There are several things that could put the dark lord in the dirt. Surround him with several hundred SEAF personnel, yeah he’s gonna win that. Surround him with several dozen helldivers? Yeah Vader is put in the dirt.
@ I feel like an arc thrower or Tesla tower wouldn’t be impossible for him cuz yknow, force lightning can be blocked, but even just a few simple heavy machine guns would do it
BTW, regular projectile weapons are pretty effective against lightsabers. When struck by a lightsaber, bullets tend to fragment which can send shrapnel into the weirder. Not to mention, shotguns are just gonna be goated against a jedi/sith
It's important to note that Super Destroyers are built for ground-support. All of its weapons are downwards facing. It would be restricted to some awkward maneuvers to bring its weapons to bear on a target that's not on the ground.
While the Canon numbers of the galactic military are unknown, in legends they were said to have around ten trillion soldiers, and it wouldn't be that far off to assume canon had a similar number, considering how stormtroopers seem to be near everywhere across the galaxy, even being so common as to be doing basic police work. Also if they really wanted to, they could probably mass produce droid armies if they needed to, the CIS canonically numbered in the quadrillions and was made in just a few years (star wars allies and adversaries) and the Empire already uses several droid sentry units regularly. The DT-Series sentry droid was so common it was used to guard unmanned trade vessals. If they're industry matches just 10% of the Canon CIS, the helldivers would be outnumbered in a matter of months Spaceship wise the galactic empire in canon had 25,000 ISD and at least 4 times that number in light frigates. In legends the empire had millions of capital ships, canon probably as well since this number likely doesn't count the planetary defense fleets most planets had as personal protection. Canon Ships in star wars are vastly superior to helldivers, with a single ISD being able to glass entire planets in an operation called base delta zero. And the turbolazers on a munificent class crusier, a CIS frigate so disposible it can't even be refeuled, has enough firepower to blast melt ice moons the size of pluto (star wars complete vehicles new edition). They would have trouble dealing with just light frigates, I can't really see them dealing with something like the death star. Also the galactic empire has top tier navy admirals like Thrawn, who would make this power imbalance even more dispraportionate Canon Vader and Sidious are insanely strong opponents for the helldivers to deal with, but kinda nonfactors given the sheer scale of the conflict. They could individually slaughter thousands of helldiver's and tear entire starships out of the sky (in a recent canon comic Sidious casually force crushed a Suma verminath, a space beast so big it dwarfs Star Destroyers) but the average planet in helldivers has millions of casualties already. Also inquistors are pretty much irrelevant as well, their terribly inneffective. All in all the helldivers are likely outnumbered, or would be the moment the empire conscripts %1 of its population, whcih numbers over 100 Quadrillion. And their spaceships, tho more numerous are far weaker, and as far as I know they don't really have an answer to the death star, so the empire should have the advantage, tho the divers would make it a good fight
If the Empire uses the Death Star, Super Earth will use black hole tech, which they've used once before in Canon. And they will use it just to say "hey, we can destroy planets too. So cut that Death Star shit out, or our next target is Coruscant."
@@Roosauec They had to make planetfall and inject it, and it took several days. The death star is instant, and the helldiver's method is countered by planetary shields. Planet covering shield's exist in both legends and canon, important worlds like coruscant have them. Unless the helldiver's have continental or planetary shields, a single canon ISD or handful of frigates could glass planets and achieve the same result within hours without having to make planetfall or waste time breaking down planetary shields
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo Super Earth advances at an incredibly fast rate. They have the technology to make black hole tech at that kind of range, they just never needed to do it before. I mean, when you're the only one in the universe who has world destroying tech, why improve it? But you see someone else who has it, and you're going to want your tech updated pretty quickly. And they can update their their tech pretty quickly. Super Earth took the Illuminant's technology for curing diseases like cancer, and weaponized it. And then they used it against the Illuminants. I'm pretty sure once they learn of the Death Star, ranged black hole tech will be available next week
That’s not an argument and that’s usually a joke that’s not actually serious to the lore. Within the lore itself they are elite soldiers with insane accuracy and have defeated many armies while being outnumbered just like helldivers
@@StormtrooperCommander within the lore their helmets were made worse on purpose so they lost their aim assist becasue they didnt want the rbeles taking their technology
@@SketchyKetchy69Their helmets are ID locked *not* made intentionally worse. Rebels can’t see well out of them since the UI in them won’t turn on. Also why would you make your equipment worse just to deny insurgents from using them? That’s like giving all your foot soldiers sticks instead of guns just so the enemy doesn’t gain anything from stealing them.
The scale of the universes are incomparable. The empire controls more than 1 million planets. Super earth just a handful… it’s not even fair to compare them. The destruction of Meridia was a one-off event for super earth; while the comparable destruction of Mandalore was just a repeatable event for the Empire.
Those "Planets" we deploy to are actually core places in a System. Meridia Sector has a core planet we deploy to. Also the tech between the two are still a wide stretch. Super Earth has a faster FTL travel than Star Wars. It's also more reliable. Super Earth has extremely reliable networking and Logistics to be able to keep in very much, PERFECT contact from Super Earth to the Edges of the Milky Way
@@mightywizard83 you're only kinda right. Because the population of super earth citizens is literally nutty. Hundreds of millions of the helldivers die in campaigns and helldivers couldn't actually be anything more than like 1% of their armed forces. Armed forces have never exceeded 10% in any country ever. So that means the 1% of the 10% are capable of losing hundreds of millions without collapsing in on itself from cost and unsustainable losses. Those losses could only be absorbed without consequences by a nation-like entity numbering in the TRILLIONS. Trillions plural, just 1 Trillions is incomprehensible but trillions plural?! Bro you'd have to kill millions of people every second to even hope to keep up. Helldivers verse is actually crazy in terms of population for its size. In short form. It might be a smaller loaf but it's far denser. The helldivers also fight the automatons. Which by all metrics are far more dangerous than anything the stormtroopers have faced. Bots are also just capable of causing far more problems for the divers than some other dude in roughly equivalent armor. Divers deal with automatons. Stormtroopers would get stomped by the bots, those bots aren't b1s. Automatons have better coms, accuracy, target acquisition, and unit cohesion than any biological being short of those possessing "magic" powers. B1s were known to be terribly ineffective but they were super cost efficient. The automatons are war machines and there is no doubt the only thing terrible about them is how efficient they are at murder. Lol
@@realsuperbunnyman2460 Ever is a stretch. During ww2 its estimated the soviets and germans had mobilized 20% and 23% respectively of their population to fight. Super Earth is in a pretty similar position as the germans were
Exactly the sheer weight of numbers for the Empire is overwhelming. Super Earth coming into the Star Wars universe with less than 300 planets backing them seems quite underwhelming.
@@HenryArchive Those weren't technically armed forces, roughly half of the people that were mobilized were mobilized as logistical support. So that means that they were still not even scratching 15% of the population as armed forces. So no, not once ever has any nation had more than 10% of their pop be true armed forces. In the US not even 1% of our population is in the military. Out of those in the military only about 15% of them are combat units. We're talking about real fighting men and women not a peasant with a pitch fork or some dude who drives a truck for the army. Soldiers. Helldivers are a special forces unit. One capable of sustaining hundreds of millions of casualties in the span of of days without even so much as stuttering from loss. Thats literally insanity. It's far more people than the empire has stormtroopers. I will say again the divers are a force that's at least in the billions. The regular armed forces in the diver's verse far outnumber the diver's so there's absolutely no doubt at all that the numbers are far closer than you think. They're actually likely favoring the diver's verse on shear numbers. Smaller loaf, much denser bread. Most planets in star wars don't have more than a few million people. In the helldiver verse a hundred million helldivers die for some desert planet. They may not have as big of a territory as the galactic empire but the helldiver verse may very well dwarf it in numbers.
A couple things. Depending on where Super Earth enters the galaxy they would have to contend with other factions such as the Hutts. Super Earth also has no idea where the planets are, where the safe places are, and cannot use the lightspeed lanes. The Empire would find out where the portals are and set up perimeters. Also, the Empire has the space combat advantage. So...how are the Helldivers going to resupply or use the things they need their ships to deploy...of their ships are destroyed? No ships, no helldivers. I feel the Empire wins this based on that alone
Great points but that would be if the empire has a perfect response to the situation. I don't believe they have ever dealt with an invading force of the magnitude super earths. Plus if super if finds a planet and take it over quickly they probably have a map somewhere of planets that are nearby so they could spread quicker through that maybe
@Tengu-Atlas Still doesn't stop the Empire from destroying all their ships. If the Divers have no ships, they will eventually fall. Im not saying the Empire would slaughter them, but they would win in the end. Sure they lose a lot of worlds, but that's trivial
@@GielSalamour the hell divers actually do have a lot of ships like a lot of ships. It’s something like 10 times the number of super destroyers it’s wild. You just never see them since you’re not allowed to deploy on a plant that you don’t already have full space control over.
@RevanReborn3950BBY That's fair. But the Empire has a lot of ships too. If we include the First Order (which we absolutely should) the Empire has a weapon that can wipe out an entire system and a massive fleet anywhere in the galaxy. I also imagine that Super Earth isn't nearly as skilled in small ship to ship combat (though I admittedly don't know) where the Empire has a near endless supply of every type of TIE fighter so my point remains. The Empire wins due to space superiority. Also the Divers could not access, let alone weaponize the force as they have no midiclorians. Cloning won't work nor would a blood transfusion. My main problem with these latest videos is that he cherry picks the lore of the things the Divers go against to favor them. Either use all the lore or don't do it
@ We shouldn’t use the first order since they aren’t the empire, and you have to decide at some point between canon and legends, but I understand where you’re coming from in regards to lore usage in the video, I also felt he was cherry picking. In regard to fleet combat, the Super Earth’s biggest advantage is time. Their FTL travel is instantaneous, and therefore they can outnumber the Empire in every fight, taking on fleets one by one, rather than facing their full might.
This is hilarious and dope! As a Star Wars fan and Helldiver player I never thought to put these two against each other. One small correction, there are 2 DSS space stations, the first is near mars and shown in the training scene, the 2nd is under construction. I think they could give a star destroyer a run for its money with a ship if orbital lasers, 380s and 500kgs are used against ships in space. Close fight... appreciate the breakdown!
The 500 kg is from the eagle so our super destroyers technically wouldnt be shoot those but we do have the precision strike. Ems potentially could be devastating and shut down some ships for a time
I do recall this line: "The average helldiver mission approaches the cost of a Liberty Class Cruiser." So we do know they have bigger and stronger space ships for space combat, we just don't see it.
Theirs a a couple interesting things to add on, a lot of the enemy units seem to be based on more clone wars era stuff in helldivers, but still effected by bullets. In star wars real guns were entirely phased out and discarded because the basic armor became so advance not even anti-material rifles were useful anymore, they became reliant on entirely this laser plasma mix of blasters which to this day still can't even be entirely garunteed to protect you even with high quality armor like beskar. That alone puts helldivers on a 1 to 1 beneath even storm troopers at the start, they do have plasma eletric and gas weapons which should work. Also the storm troopers are more just the army, if were comparing a helldiver to more of a elite force, dark troopers (the old school ones, not those shitty robot ones) and storm commandos are far far more inline with helldivers, having some of the scariest kill-death ratio and extremely convenient weapons on hand. The star wars galaxy is also practically 3 or 4 x larger then the helldivers one and would be the biggest problem in even controller a fraction of the galaxy for helldivers, they would have to employ bounty hunters for scouting and missions im sure, but jaba clan is powerful enough that even the super space racism that is the empire wouldn't dare blow up their Planets. So im sure it wiuld be a issue, Or a no touch zone. Im not really sure what would happen, it depends how well negotiation could be manipulated through palpatine since he basically.. turned a democracy into a full on empire. Maybe they would get along scarily well together and i think palpatine would take over the government underhandedly, or be invited to the circle group of the super earth.
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Please try them against the combine. I think it would be very interesting if you know half-life
Ok but, what about Super Earth's "Humans First" Policy? Are they gonna include all races as equals? Because if not, the aliens out number the Human a 1000 to 1. I only ask because you didn't make mention of that aspect.
I do believe it was adapter policies there xenophobic against stuff that is useful to them that actually fights back against them, but people are aliens that actually join them they would give rights to super is an ideology. It’s not just their system.
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Star Wars: Heats up weapon then has to cool it down again.
Helldivers: Replaces cooling system.
"Changing I.C.E!"
Honestly, this is so one-sided what is Darth Vader going to do when John hell diver does a triple backflip on to the Highground
Isn't it obvious, scream, I hate you as he turns into a burnt chicken nugget
@@Commissar-24 see that’s the problem John Hill diver is completely immune to the force as nothing can damage John Hell diver plus he would probably be exposed to the thing that gives the Jedi the force and obviously be one of the strongest force users plus the Highground would immediately weekend Darth Vader to astronomical levels
@@Commissar-24 It's the other way around. John Helldiver would launch himself extremely fast at Vador, leaving a big hole in the sith lord.
@@florianchabaud8548Truly democratic unlike the fascist empire…..
….I love democracy
50 droids and an AT-ST? Killed by one stormtrooper? No chance.
By one Clone Trooper? Incredibly believable.
@@Prince_Luci in legends it’s believable considering stormtroopers have done some pretty insane shit
You criminally underestimate Storm Troopers, Storm Troopers are SPECIAL FORCES, they're not just random Imperial Armed Forces
@V4LOUR_ most people know the movies so they see the stormtroopers of the movies with are trash
@@xhontafaruci3445 which is the problem on screen there is reasons for this and off screen stormtroopers are actually insane
@@StormtrooperCommander yeah yeah I watched the film theory video they were missing on purpose
Darth Vader: I find your lack of faith disturbing *starts force choke *
General Brasch: I found your lack of propaganda disappointing
Out of nowhere indoctrinated rebels appear ready to die for Super Earth
i dont even think General Brasch would even be affected by the force due to sheer patriotism. he's so democratic that it would ACTUALLY protect him XD
@@frozeneyemanyt9228DEMOCRACY PROTECTS!
Propaganda? I am an agent from the ministry of Truth, and I find your suggestion that's super Earth lies to its citizens disturbing. You shall be investigated in re-educated
@@frozeneyemanyt9228plus plus plus plus plus the op shield he gets that makes him invincible
(I'm not kidding this is canon)
An entire platoon of Stormtroopers couldn't handle what 4 helldivers tackle in an afternoon
Stormtroopers are the best of the best as long as the enemy doesn’t have plot armor
Nah, not really most of the actual best soldiers know better than to join the empire's canon fodder. The stormtroopers are good by all rights but no better than realistically attainable skills.
The helldivers on the otherhand are basically super human by the things they're able to accomplish. Death troopers are a closer analog to helldivers but they're still not quite on that level.
Divers regularly fight through situations where they are outnumbered by ridiculous amounts of enemies, like hundreds if not thousands. Stormtroopers do what their namesake implies, swarm you from all angles with overwhelming force.
Basically the Stormtroopers might be able to pull it off but they'll need a ton of extra support and way more groundforces. Diver's personal arsenals are still leagues better without support from their ships, good enough to get the jobs done when support gets knocked out for whatever reason. The same can't be said for those poor troopers.
Yeah , because the Emperire can just send a planetary bombardment with just one destroyer
1 hellbiber.
Or 1 stormbiber.@@protion_2312
Am I the only one Immagining 200.000 super detroyers FTL jumping in Death Star range and sending 20 Hellpod before FTL jump away or get exploded?
24h MO Capture the Death Star
hell divers drop on the death star and just go in to close qaurters with flamthoers droped right with them before the destoer dips hard
Just trow a bunch of armed hellbombs instead of helldivers
“We may not have laser swords or space wizards, but I got something just as fun.”
“What’s that?”
“No Geneva convention.”
I think one thing you might be missing is how speciest Super Earth is. It's even in the game itself, that even talking to an alien is considered treason and should be punished by death. So basically anyone who isn't human would not want to join and might even be able to convince people to join the empire in order to fight against Super Earth.
I think another point of contention would be with the force. If you are speaking of the expanded universe, Super Earth wouldn't be able to use the force, and we have reason to believe this. When. The Yuuzhan Vong invaded from outside the main Star wars galaxy, they found out that they were both unable to use the force, but we're also immune to it. Granted I don't think that would help the helldiver's much, because the Yuuzhan Vong tech was entirely biological, and therefore had their immunity/inability, as opposed to the helldiver's wearing tech that can be push/pulled/manipulated with the force.
I think that Super Earth would see humans and aliens mixed together and adapt to not have things get out of hand.
@@joedepersiis9150 The reason the Vong were like that is because of retaliation by the Force itself, the helldivers wouldn't have that same issues.
@@irystocrattakodachithatmooms I don't think that it was retaliation from the force,.I thought it was because they were from a different galaxy and that each galaxy has its own Force
@@joedepersiis9150 No, I distinctly remember learning about that and it being stated the Force retaliated. They messed up their own galaxy so badly that the Force decided to revoke their access privileges.
Sidious: *force lightnings a Helldiver*
The other 3 Helldivers with Arc Blitzers: *our time has come*
All the cutting edge enjoyers:"that it, I can kill this asshole with my secondary..."
Helldivers with cutting edge armor: “haha, that tickles”
The 95% lightning resistance armor.
he could just force choke them
Cutting edge armour: "....You.. GIVE.. ME THE LAUGHS."
Empire: destroys a planet because "ThEy dOnT LiKe uS". Super earth: Destroy's a planet because "If we could do something else, we would...but we can't"😮💨
They destroyed the planet as a test tho? Super earth did it as a last resort. The empire did it as a test to make sure their weapons worked
Imagine Super Earth declaring a major order to liberate the death star, just see hundreds of thousands of super destroyers surround it dropping 380s and orbital railcannons and lasers. That would be a sight for warfare xD
"Liberate the deathstar"
- 1 hour later
*DEATH STAR LIBERATED*
*25 medallions*
@@Lyheroes FUCK YES DEMOCRACY!
I’m 17 minutes deep in and I could swear that i can see automaton ships in the sky firing upon super earth ships.
No, that is from the Planet's surface, though we do get to see them. A lot of them. Remember the massive fleet that took Cyberstan and that quadrant of the galaxy? The news report about it did show ships! The more you know.
Theres also an automaton ship in the top left of the cover art provided in the escalation of freedom update
Clone troopers were fazed out at the beginning of the empires reign, most storm troopers are definitely afraid of dying
It is stated in lore that they have military spaceships that fight space battles and that they are stated to be as expensive as a single super destroyer. Meaning there is billions of Mooom destroying ships they have that can fight space battles
Small correction, one of their cruisers is as expensive as the cost to run the super destroyer for a SINGLE helldiver mission
@ fair enough but still you get my point they have some pretty strong ships
The ship lady mentioned a "Liberty Class Cruiser" if I'm not mistaken
the cyborgs were originally miners who worked on cyberstan, not rebels, and they started adapting their bodies to survive the cold conditions of their planet and then super earth tried to stop them and that’s why they went to war
The reason the Cyborgs rebelled was because Super Earth's influence, which meant that their influence wasn't as deep. They saw Super Earth for what it was, and they wanted it gone. But we all know how that went.
An interesting fact about helldivers space combat is that we know that there are dedicated space combat ship like the liberty class cruiser, and that they are incredibly effective (at least in the helldivers universe) bc helldivers are only deployed to planets where super earth has complete space superiority as super destroyers in low orbit would be incredibly vulnerable to other star ships. And super earth can establish space superiority pretty mush as soon as a supply line is opened up from another planet.
Stormtroopers get shot once they go down
Helldivers get shot they get more excited, shrug it off, and start screaming “my body for super earth!!!”
Role-play aside, yeah, Super Earth is kinda evil with how they deal with other species. However, it isn't as bad as you make it out to be.
Firstly, the Cyborgs were the ones who initiated conflict against Super Earth. Cyberstan was originally a mining colony with very harsh conditions, which led the miners to have to get cybernetic limbs and whatnot due to losing limbs. It started when the Cyborgs, who at that point held very different beliefs than Super Earth. So they took the opportunity to break away from Super Earth while they were dealing with the bugs, believing Super Earth wouldn't go after them since they were already at war with something else. They were wrong.
Secondly, the Terminids, though not inherently evil, were a highly invasive and slightly aggressive species that happened to have a very unique blood type. But that wasn't the reason for the start of the war. It was pretty much just for territorial reasons originally and to get rid of the invasive Terminids, but by the end of the war, Super Earth had discovered the special properties of the Terminids' blood. Which Super Earth then began to contain and genetically modify the bugs to not be hostile anymore. Which then allowed them to farm the Terminids, just like we do with cows and other livestock.
Lastly, the war against the Illuminate was not started instantly, but it was very quick and was sparked when Super Earth High Command had discovered the Illuminate's Planet-Buster bombs, (not fake information by the way, they actually did have those) which were a huge national threat. (and also a really good excuse to invade) which led Super Earth to believe the Illuminate were "plotting against them" and got pretty paranoid about the Illuminate's tech before declaring war against them, and from what I understand, pretty much just to steal their tech not because they were a threat. Plus, it says in the lore that the Illuminate were forced to sign a treaty that made them hand over all their tech and be forced to leave the Milky Way and never return. Which is pretty messed up, but at the very least, they didn't genocide them.
much of that was made up by super earth probably, but yeah (which is what I would say if I was a traitor). Also the bit about the reunification was very wrong, there was a ww3 and afterwards super earth was created.
@Dragonseer666 Yeah, I'm not sure where he got that information from. Also, I agree that some of the information is most likely twisted to fit Super Earth's narrative (which is what I would say if I were a traitor). I believe a lot of it is, to a degree, true.
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@@IanSaputra-s9x That doesn't sound very Democratic brother-
WE ARE *SUPER* SERIOUS!
Fleet: okay.
Ground Forces: WTF!
nah , eagle 1 would win.
Pelican: "Would you lose Eagle-1?"
Eagle: "..they'd cause me a lil a trouble.."
Pelican: "..But would you lose?"
Eagle: "...Nah, Id win."
@@Lyheroes*intense eagle screaming sound starts playing
The Helldivers are also aggressively adaptable.
Yeah like if they get their hands on all the empire technology like ships vehicles and weapons they just re-engineering them quickly
@@MichaelThomas-q3m they could but they are still out numberet and imperial technology with helldiver tech against imperial technology with more troopers and technically everything is still gonna loose.
I think you forget one thing tho, for every 1 active hell diver that is a super destroyer in orbit, and when the hell divers start gathering on one planet there is 40k+ super destroyers with each having enough weapons to remove a small moon from existence that is enough ships to be able to take out most ISD 2s that would arrive
The galactic empire at its peak had millions of warships at its disposal as well as 25,000 star destroyers each isd has the capability to glass an entire planet
@yunggaryy3088 yes but they were very spread out, plus the super destroyers are just 1 ship in the super earth navy, i think that unless the empire brought a good chunk of its resources together into one major ball super earth would just peace meal the empires navy
@@David-jt9ntnot really. One star destroyer should be worth multiple super destroyers considering the lore. This isn’t counting cruisers, the eclipse star destroyers which are planet busting star destroyers with a death star laser attached. For every type of ship that super earth has the empire has a more powerful ships. Lower-end ships for the empire would be almost on the level of a potential cruiser from super earth. As for ground battles i definitely see hell divers beating out storm troopers for a most part.
The weapons of the empire are way more potent. For reference in lore(cannon lore or the only lore we have to go off) blaster bolts are as fast as light. And turbo lasers output more power than the largest nuke we have with modern technology.
@martinezseymore3007 assuming those numbers are accurate the laser on each super destroyer (remember the weakest combat ship in the super earth navy) has a around 22 terawatt laser that it can bring to bare, and with an ISD2 turbo laser being around 20 TW based on what we have seen it do on screen the ISDs are going to have a fight
@@David-jt9nt i never assumed anything in official lore they are known to glass planets. We don’t see this in movies or tv shows because they aren’t told to in the movies or on screen in general. A isd is calculated to have around 450 terrawats of power in a single blast as a low ball and a low end scale. And books actively state star destroyers can turn the surface of a planet into slag. Not multiple are needed to do this just one. This is in official lore but the numbers i gave you earlier were a estimation for the lower end based on the asteroid destruction seen in the empire strikes back. But if you don’t believe
The Bounty Hunter Wars Book 2: Slave Ship, page 248 describes the recoil of a turbolaser cannon:
The laser cannons being mounted into the open skeletal frames required bracing and recoil-dissipation casings that would have withstood explosions measured in the giga-tonnage range. Anything less, and a single shot fired in battle would rip a destroyer or battle cruiser in two, a victim of its own lethal strength.
This implies that the energy release from a turbolaser cannon is comparable to the detonation of a bomb with a yield of at least one gigaton (one thousand megatons). This translates to >4.186E18 joules. This is almost twice the estimate presented above (in relation to Base Delta Zero operations performed by 200 cannons). This is acceptable, since the estimate presented above for melting a planet's surface is very conservative, perhaps by an order of magnitude (this reference was provided by Ethan Platten).
Curtis Saxton has also produced figures for the power of the Death Star's superlaser. These are also lower limits. He says that enough energy has to be applied to cause the entire mass of the planet to reach escape velocity, so it will not fall back together. He states:
An approximate figure for the binding energy of Alderaan is:
U = 2.4E32 joules.
The superlaser burst is released over a period of somewhat less than but approximately equal to a second. Therefore the power of this weapon, which needs to exceed the power dissipation rate of any deflector shields of the target, is at least of the order of 2E32 W which expressed in Gigawatts is:
2E23 GW.
This is just the energy required to destroy the planet, with the fragments being ejected at escape velocity, which would take hours to complete. Alderaan was destroyed in seconds, so the power level of the weapon is much greater than Mr. Saxton's estimated lower limit. A possibility also exists that the Death Star was not firing at maximum power. Nevertheless, even the low 2.4E32 joule lower limit is approximately 522600 times the power output of Earth's sun!
Biggest gripe I have on this whole fight is space superiority. Whoever controls space control everything, for example yes helldivers are stupid powerful with there strategems. But 1 start destroyer is enough to just 1 hit the regular super destroyer. and without any strategems, orbial support, and air support, there just regular soldiers with regular guns.
Now for the SEAF there just going to get destroyed due to the empire space supremacy with the use of orbital bombardments. even if your already invading a planet having no supplies due to the empires blockade and constant orbital bombardments will just tire you out till you either surrender or all get exterminated.
This was a cool experiment of which fighting force would win. But the biggest deciding factor was who would control the space. And sadly for the helldivers the empire would just easily take that spot. There entire military is completely focus on there Navy than ground troops.
They do have vessels for space combat, the seaf are just for helldivers
did you not watch the video? this was talked about, we as the helldivers dont get to see any space combat because helldivers are ground troops, dont assume super earth has zero space combat capabilitys
@@ammonford1122 Yeah i heard it from the video but the main gripe here is that in star wars we see alot of naval combats and each ships capabilities. While helldivers 2 we cant identify how effective there own ships are plus there ships are mainly just armored without shielding compared to regular star destroyers. Also if I remember star destroyers turbo lasers has a far more effective firing range than regular slugs (kenetic rounds) in a space battle.
@@scottrosalejos8202 i think there was a comic were the empire fired an orbital strike and that desimated the surface and had major consequences for the planet.
@@Fiddlefiddle5000-qv1ly We also see it in the old republic where a sith fleet turned an entire metropolis planet into ruins.
helldivers might actually be incredibly powerful light side force users, since they're so selfless on the individual level, really they have a lot in common with the Jedi in terms of their indoctrination.
"My allegiance is to the Republic! TO DEMOCRACY!"
- General Kenobi
Honestly regardless of power levels any full scale galactic war is going to create enough openings for the rebel alliance to more easily blow up the Death Star and assassinate the emperor.
I think the galaxy would unite at some point because Super Earth will ABSOLUTELY want xenocide of all the alien species they encounter. I wouldn't be surprised if they'd declare the humans in the Star Wars universe inhuman too.
All the helldivers feats depend on the player skill. It's like saying that average stormptooper acts like the one controlled by real player in battlefront.
What I'm hearing is super earth is the good guys
Something you missed: Super Earth wouldn't be able to use, or even sense, the force right out of the gate. First, the Empires initial cleansing and subsequent continuous monitoring and collection of force sensitive individuals means Super Earth could take years to learn about the existence of the force, and even longer to realize the possibilities. Since they don't have midichlorians, they would have to breed them in by mixing with locals or devise some way to find out which conscripsts are force sensitive.
20:00 so essentially it'll be like Japan invading Korea in the 1500s, one side has a superior army while the other has a superior navy
If the helldivers use the arc resistance armour palpatines screwed 🤣
The back story of helldivers sounds like the good guys won as it should
34:51 Not true; the rebels had to fly into the incomplete death star to reach the core. The vent allowed a straight shot to the core from the surface. That means they must have changed the design, otherwise they would have had a clean shot at the core without Lando risking his life and Han's ship by bringing it within the blast radius of the core.
+ they made shield for death star, if helldivers didnt destory shields(9/10 times they wouldnt because they dont have plot armor) they cannot destory death star
And empire was fighting on surfice only when they were defending and when they couldnt destroy rebel shields on hoth. Empire couldnt blow it up so they sended vader to deal with them.
Empire turned mandalore from deassert surface to glass because they knew that bombarding was easier.
then they outnumbered remaining mandalorians .
I dont think that helldivers could win without shields and even if they had them there is death star
The Hell Diver K/D is impressive but highly dependent on heavy weapons, orbital support, and their armor working effectively. If I blaster goes through any better then the divers will suffer.
are we gonna ignore automatons and stims?
I’d argue the automatons have a blaster equivalent and so do the helldivers. Helldiver body armor is likely on par if not better than stormtrooper body armor, and that’s disregarding the bubble shield backpack and stationary bubble shield
@captiancholera8459 that's a good point. I'm not entirely sure what the mechanism behind automaton "blasters" is, so we couldn't say for sure how it stacks up to blasters. It does provide a solid benchmark tho.
I think that, initially, Star Wars is just going to be too advanced in space combat to ever lose battles without some huge numerical advantage for Super Earth. On the ground though, the Empire's equipment has been proven to be ineffective to projectiles and their fire rate and range is ridiculously low.
Super Earth will gain ground initially through surprise before getting smashed in space. Then Super Earth will come back and own once they've incorporated the Star Wars tech.
yes but empire is most of the time bombarding against strong armies and even mandalorians with almost indestuctible armor died because empire destroyed their planet and turned it into glass
only time we see combat on land is empire deffending or capturing rebel basis that are imune to bombardment and i dont think that helldivers have that tech so it wouldnt be so hard for empire
This guy saying how the HDs have great ground support capabilities. Like the Empire don't do Base Delta zero?😂
Star wars. Weapons are literally plasma. This guy says how a stormtrooper weapons can't beat HD armour?
And apparently Darth Vader loses to General Dumb..
Random syth trying to stop scythe laser would be funny.
Suprise figure eight!
"Sees lazer weapo* oh just like at home "continuos lazer" not like home not like home!!!
@@gastoncoscia5031 force users have blocked it before, Obi wan blocked multiple continuous Lazer beam turrets in the clone wars series and so has Mace windu in the 2003 clone wars.
@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo continues Lazer fire, not continues Lazer, now imagine trying to defend 2 Lazers with 1 ligthsaber.
@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo now they can become bbq whitout their plot armor
The mandilorians had a comment that is interesting. They said something along the lines of the most sure way to kill a jedi was to glass the planet, but it still wasn't a garunteed method. ie there was a point where mandaloriams tried to glass a planet to kill a jedi and the jedi survived.
They're also killed by blaster fire at close range by clones. Yeah Obi-Wan, Yoda, Mace Windu, and some of the better ones might survive against divers. But they are almost never alone. When they are, the common jedi gets cut down pretty quick by concentrated fire from multiple angles. Even some of the greatest went down because of order 66. Numbers, concentrated fire, and the element of surprise almost wiped out the jedi.
But we're talking about the sith. Who operate on the rule of 2. Theres only 2 of them. I highly doubt even Vader would stand up for too long against divers it might take hundreds or even thousands, but there are hundreds of millions of divers alone.
Super earth's soldiers dealt with precognicient beings once and they did it well. I don't think super earth would have a walk in the park fighting the empire, or even that it would be easy. I think super earth would have the hardest fought victory it's ever had but it will eventually be victorious.
Super Earth has manpower on near Tau level from Warhammer 40k.
Essentially meaning they've hit a critical mass with their population. Where in spite of the fact that they're at war on two fronts the population is growing rather than shrinking. Meaning more men are approaching the coming of age to serve than is feasibly plausible to kill quickly enough to drop the population by any percentage. Because in the time it takes to kill one diver hundreds maybe even thousands of people are hitting service age for the divers.
Basically it won't matter if the star wars empire even has vastly better ships they would eventually be ground into nothing by an enemy who can't be strong armed, or outright overwhelmed, who steals pieces of their tech every time they fight, eventually becoming on par or worse than them, super earth's ships are real war machines intended specifically for war. Where as the empire builds their's for intimidation. Super earth is also far better suited to fighting an enemy force of equal or greater numbers than the star wars empire with Vader and Emperor Palpatine.
The star wars empire was always the only big fish. It has no real wartime experience. Crushing rebels isn't quite the same as taking on a fully developed society with all of its own internal logistics. Rebels lose not because they lack numbers but production. They severely lack in their ability to construct ships at a pace necessary to win. So they lose over and over again. 😂
@realsuperbunnyman2460most combat situations, the Jedi/Inquisitors are supported by multiple soldiers who would be either be trained clones or inquisitorious troopers, who would make the focused fire needed to kill them harder to achieve or maintain. The helldiver's would inflict super heavy losses against base force users, but like the war against the mandalorians, they would still be putting in serious work on any squad level combat (probably not for the total war effort, Jedi are good, but probably only worth maybe 10 or so helldiver's)
The star wars galaxy has 100 Quadrillion sentients, and has built armies of Quadrillions in the past, like the droid army from scratch in only a couple years. They'd rival the entire imperium of man in population base. The Helldiver's laugh off billions of losses like it's nothing, and between them and SEAF they probably have tens of trillions of soldiers. But in real life war, typically 2 to 10% of the population is recruited, the helldiver's would in all likelihood be dealing with quadrillions of soldiers.
In the navy star wars ships have vastly greater firepower, a single ISD can glass entire planets even in the newer canon books. When it comes to the number of ships the legends empire had millions of capital ships, but in Canon it's unclear. We can probably assume the helldiver's have superior ship numbers than canon and while weaker than Star wars capital ships, they could still destroy them in large numbers, tho something like the death star would probably be completely untouchable for any conventional attack by their fleets. Also their superior fleet travel means they can concentrate their fleets better to ensure a constant numbers advantage. The helldivers could send their entire galactic fleet to corusant and overwhelm its fleet within hours
The war would be very bloody for both sides and who ever wins would be dealing with trillions dead, but the winning factor more often I think would the Helldiver's, between their logistical advantage in space, and the fact that they have infinitely bigger morale than the empire. The empire consistently fails to inspire loyalty in any of their generals/soldiers/ and officers given how often they defect. Now imagine what happens when the helldivers try to recruit rebels and citizens of the galaxy with propaganda of a new galactic republic
@@JamesMeadows-b4bsomething to consider regarding force users is that they are notoriously weak to bullets which the heldivers have in large supply
@@RevanReborn3950BBY I've heard that, but somebody in this comment section mentioned how we've seen Jedi block bullets with their sabers and evade shotgun fire in the clone wars series. He even gave out the episode names and listed like 3 other books where they handle it without issue. It seems to be an unsubstantiated fan theory. The fact that guys whose job is to kill Jedi like Cad bane and jango never use slugthrowers as their main weapon pretty much confirms this for me personally.
@ where? I’m going off the old stuff, but jedi were very vulnerable to slug throwers (aka guns) in the mandalorian warand machine guns fire noticeably faster than any laser weapon we see in star wars.
12:36 However the Star wars galaxy is much, much larger and arguably much more populous with hive like worlds like Corusant (to which Super Earth has no equivalent). According to a star wars guidebook the Republic had 1.600.000 Member worlds during the Galactic War with the CIS. It's safe to assume most of them remained Loyal to the Empire as they were the ones who voted Palpatine in in the first place. And even if not, the core worlds and inner rim were very much pro empire or at least apathetic to the Empire and they are certainly much larger than the amount of planets Super Earth controls.
And depending on the timeline, the Empire definitelly enjoyed majority support. Until the destruction of Aldeeran most rich worlds supported Palpatine because he advanced their interests. Most humans supported the Empire because of the Human Supremacy. And most former Pro Republican Worlds supported the Empire because it's the successor of the Republic which won them the civil war against the hated CIS. The early rebellion were pretty much just a few disgruntled Senators who lost their power to Palpatine and former CIS Worlds.
...dog helldivers alone in less than a year of its current campaign have taken 2.5 billion casualties and are still fighting... they are not out numbered.
@@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130I’d say 1 million Galactic Empire worlds over the Super Earths 261 worlds is a massive massive outnumbering. The Galactic Empire can sustain loosing billions while Super Earth Federation mathematically can’t.
@@racspartan1helldivers fans have become so delusional to the point they think because it’s a video game super earth has an infinite amount of resources and production capability they can muster up millions of troops and ships because millions of helldivers died over the span of months fighting over a single sector despite the number of active helldivers at the games peak didn’t even exceed 500k 💀
@@yunggaryy3088 Star Wars with over a million planets can sustain losing billions of men in about a year. If it’s spread over the planets evenly it’s about 1900 dead a year if my math is right which is not many of you take a whole planet’s population.
@@t.o.g.thatoneguy5130 empire killed 6 billion rebels on alderaan and they were fighting another 10 years and they are only a rebels + cis had quintilions of droids and they lost so they are out numbered
Would These Medieval/Fantasy Characters Survive Game of Thrones?
-Aragon (Lord of the Rings)
-Apollyon (For Honor)
-Conan The Barbarian (Comics)
-Thorfinn (Vinland Saga)
Apollyon would be having the time of her life in Game of Thrones.
for honor mentioned ahhhhhh!!!!!!!
If they don't fuck around with dragons or some weird as sicknesses they should be fine
Bro Canon would fit right in
Apolyon the Girl that survived a short sword to the belly
If helldivers makes Space combat the same way Warframe does it then HELL YES THAT WOULD BE AWSOME!!!!!
Um... Bro... You just forgot about the SUPER Xenophobia of SUPER earth, they'll not gonna fuck up with the huge ammount of aliens in the worlds they would conquer, they'll just gonna kill em' all and that might increase the threath of the rebels that higly defend the lifes of any alien in the galaxy, i mean... Most of the people in the worlds that are not conquered by the Empire have a LOT of people that are just getting married with a 5ft tall bug 💀
Humans are by far the most populous species in the galaxy. I can see Super Earth letting any humans join and start wiping out aliens. So plenty of power hungry humans would join up, but anyone who likes aliens isn’t going to be cool with the alien genocide. I don’t know if it will turn the tide though.
True but super earth likes to colonize and make use of all the resources a planet has and would most likely enslave the whole planet so they could learn about their tech
I mean, they've only fought against 2 alien races, and one of those races was more like animals than sentient beings, and the other had a superiority complex and commie culture.
In both cases Super Earth has more reasons to fight the aliens than for being aliens. I'm pretty sure there's lore somewhere that there were plans for peaceful coexistence with the terminids before SE found out their blood was oil.
“WHAT?! MARRYING A BUG?! THAT’S THE MOST UNDEMOCRATIC THING I’VE HEARD IN MY WHOLE LIFE!!!”
-General Brash probably-
Tbh I think super earth won’t kill the other unless they don’t submit the democracy or they have something they want. So the hutts, pykes and weequay are definitely going to die hutts and pykes for their spice. Weequay for piracy.
16:00 you can actually see automaton ships in sky if there is a background light source like a sun or a gas giant behind them. You can also see them battling other ships, most likely some other class of SEAF ship as super destroyers provide close air support in most cases/air to ground support
Master John helldiver, there are to many of them.
What are we going to do?
John:"Helldivers never surrender!"
9:40 "I'M REPORTING YOU TO THE NEAREST DEMOCRACY OFFICER FOR THOUGHT CRIMES!" - Admiral Lakoto.
Now i wanna see a few hundred thousand destroyers just launching hellpods at the death star.
Helldivers with the force would be sick
Your honesty at the opening of this video is appreciated.
Now face the wall.
In the sky you can see our ships shoot down automaton ships including others as well there are full space fights.
In order to use the Force, you have to have a natural sensitivity to it. Being from another universe, it's questionable if the Helldivers and Super Earth as a whole would even have the Force in them at all, let alone have the capacity to use it. They'd basically be blank spots to the Force, like looking at a cold spot with thermal vision. So they likely wouldn't be capable of weaponizing it at all.
False. Characters in Star Wars who are not attuned to the force have been taught to be attuned. Guns have been made in Star Wars that use the force. The force can be measured via technology with scanners through midichlorians. It’s nowhere near as special as people keep saying.
@@rougarabid What you're describing still relies heavily on people already sensitive to the Force training others and imbuing weapons with Force power. And even then, the upgrade is only temporary. You can't just store the Force into a container, at least not for very long.
Not gonna sit here and pretend to be the ultimate expert on the subject, but from what I know, the Force is simultaneously way more complicated and way simpler than people make it out to be. It was basically written that way. But one consistent thing is that you can't just teach some random jobber how to use the Force. Certain conditions need to be met. Being in a place strong with the Force for a long time is one such condition.
Even if Super Earth could do it, which is a big "if," it's not like the Empire will just sit back and let that happen. The Empire would double down on efforts to control planets and areas strong in the Force.
Also, not necessarily disagreeing with your conclusion on who would win. Just pointing out some flaws in your overall argument. This is all still in good fun, and I'm not trying to be a killjoy. I just think it'd be harder to weaponize the Force than you stated.
@@rougarabidyes is very specific and having the force isn’t going to make you Vader 2.0
That guy can take down skyscrapers and stop starships with low effort
@@ThegrandKrildbro saying that vader wouldnt have much impact in the war is an understatement. Vader at the mid way was carriyng the empire. 1000 rebels were surronding him and he just said" all im surronded is by fear and dead man" and killed every single one of them easely. Has for the emperor if he wanted to join the fight it would be another big problem.
@@rougarabidyea this video was biased one vader is stomping over a hundred hell divers. As for the hell divers they are losing big time. Hell divers won’t land on planets if all their destroyers get destroyed before they can exit the ship, blasters from storm troopers will likely melt or severely burn their armor aswell. Not counting other factors like lore. In lore a single destroyer from star wars would be enough to wipe out one helldiver army and even worse counting the actual size of the empire. And if you’re going with on screen storm troopers the helldivers take them out with ease. Legends storm troopers are absolutely doging the helldivers.
Hey bro, I don't know if u knew this, but the empire doesn't really use clones, they use random people from the planets they control, which actually would make them weaker than if they were clones lol
That’s not true. Not all are clones, but there are a very large number of clones throughout the empire. Many storm troopers are just clone troopers from the prequel trilogy.
@@rougarabidthough I have why do you keep using droids I ask since droids are purposely nerf and even with that clone troopers could take out 50 droids except not the big machine for your example so I'll give you that for the helldivers winning in ground combat
If you're talking about clone troopers from the prequels and series from the prequels they can as pure storm troopers are basically militia and Clone troopers as stormers are veterans that probably killed 50 or so
@@MarkDXironwill You’re assuming. Clone troopers don’t fight alone and there’s 0 evidence that the clones were killing the droids 50 to 1 especially not in 1v50 fights.
@@rougarabid true the closest to that scenario would be that one episode I can't remember but basically it was a escape mission where the clone left behind to allow the escort to escape took as many droids and super battle droids as much as possible, of course I didn't count exactly how many but super battle droids are worth more than a single droid
@@rougarabidthen they would have to be old considering that clones age faster than non clones. In star wars rebels we see a group of clones from the clone wars series and they are old. Also the empire doesn't really do cloning anymore, most of imperial forces come from recruitment.
I'm guessing this video is gonna go like this
"The force ain't that powerful!"
"They have a deathstar that doesn't have a stupid hole to blow it up!"
"That's without even bringing up John Hell Diver!"
I mean I was pretty close. He did glaze the deathstar.
Orbital rail cannon strike vs jedi. bro cannot block that
@@Paintballperson-k2lyes they can. Vader could hold an entire planets water from crushing him. Comics and legends have jedi block star fighter power. As if the hell divers weren’t already cooked the jedi are way faster than they are being almost as fast as light.
@@martinezseymore3007 almost as fast as light isnt the same as, as fast as light. Also bringing up vader is like bringing up john hell diver
@@Paintballperson-k2l yea it’s a difference but the main thing is that it means that any jedi or sith especially ones like Vader will be able to dodge almost any attack from the helldivers
In the navy thing, one of your crew members mentions a "Liberty Class Cruiser" although I would love to see what the main fleet looks like
16:37 We do know what automatns ships look like. Go to any automatn planet and look into the sky, It's a bit buggy but you can see ships shooting at each other, some even get shot down. And they are pretty big
Death star shooting in less than an our goes crazy
Also that weak spot is literally 1 in a million chance even with the computer doing auto-aim
While also vader being the best pilot in the entire galaxy destroying capital ships alone with that crazy precognition protecting the weakness (also weaponizing the force isn't a thing, the only weapon with the force are bateries made of jedi almost extint rock that creates lighsabers)
I became a member to watch this early. Damn it man, you convinced me! 😂
Appreciate it, man. Thanks for the support.
The only empire capable of challenging john helldiver and general brash is the blockats from stellaris and it might not even be close
Would These Invaders
(Starcraft) Zerg
(Starcraft) Protoss
(Halo) Banished
(Halo) Covenant
(Halo) Flood
(Battlestar Galactica) Cylon
(Doctor Who) Cybermen
(Star Trek) Borg
(Star Gate) Replicators
(XCOM) Aliens
(Stellaris) Prethoryn Scourge
(Prey) Typhon
(Starship Troopers) Arachnids
(The Tomorrow War) White Spikes
(Fallout) Zetans
(Killzone) Helghast
(Destiny) Fallen
(Destiny) Vex
(Destiny) Cabal
(Destiny) Hive
(RWBY) Grimm
(Bionicle) Bohrok
(Resistance) Chimera
(Transformers Bayverse) Decepticons
(The Mist) Mist
(Minecraft Legends) The Leaders and Piglins
(Minecraft Dungeons) Heart of Ender and Enderlings
(Murder Drones) Cyn/Absolute Solver and Disassembly Drones
(Mass Effect) Reapers
(The Great Wall) Tao Tei
(Warhammer 40k) Orks
(Gears of War) Locust
(Gears of War) Swarm
(Half-Life) Combine
(Half-Life) Xen
(Opposing Force) Race X
(Warhammer 40k) Tyranids
(Warhammer 40k) Chaos Daemons
(DOOM) Doom Demons
(A Quiet Place) Death angels
(Skibidi Toilet) Astro Toilets
(Sonic) Doctor Eggman and Eggman Empire
(Sonic X) Metarex
(Warframe) Grineer
(Warframe) Corpus
(Warframe) Infested
(Warframe) Sentient
(Doctor Who) Daleks
(Doctor Who) Sontarans
(Sonic) Black Arms
(Command & Conquer) The Brotherhood Of Nod
(Command & Conquer:Red
Alert) The Soviets
(Command & Conquer) The Scrin
(Xeelee Sequence) Xeelee
(Fallout) Enclave
(Fallout) The Master and Super Mutants
(PSO2) Falspawns
(PSO2:NGS) Starless
(Quake) Strogg
(Prey 2006) The Keepers and the Sphere
(C&C Red Alert 2:YR) Yuri
(SMT: Strange Journey) Schwarzwelt
(SMT) Law and Chaos Demons
(R-Type) Bydo Empire
(Captain Power and the Soldiers of the Future) Lord Dread and the Bio-Dread Empire
(Warhammer 40K) Necrons
(Andromeda) Magog
Survive Helldivers
What other invaders should be on this list
Edit
(Mega Man) Dr Wily with Robot Army
(Mega Man) Sigma with Maverick Army
(Invader Zim) Irken Armada
(Ben 10) Vilgax with Army
(Ben 10) Incurseans
(Ben 10) Highbreed
(Ben 10) Fulmini
(Ben 10) Xerge
(Borderlands 1) ATLAS
(Borderlands 2) Hyperion
(Borderlands 3) Children of The Vault
(Invincible) Viltrum Empire
(DBZ) Frieza Force
(Marvel) Ultron
Dude for Cyn all Super Earth needs to do is send in General Brasch or Jhon Helldiver and she is screwed most other factions like the Covenant, arachnids Grimm or the Read Alert soviets can be delt with by using the same tactics Super Earth uses against the bots and bugs
Xcom mentioned. Sleeper cell activated
Why’s skibdi toilet on here 😭
@@darkreflection9087 BLOCKATS VS HELLDIVERS, HALO GUYS, AND SPACE MARINES
@@EuropeguyYT that one was a request
I feel like star wars from the clone wars has a better chance, the second super earth appears the republic and the CIS reach an alliance and then the helldivers will be fighting on one side trillions of droids and in the other clones that have trained since birth + thousands of jedi
honestly that would be awesome and terrifying, especially with old Sheev Plaply pulling the strings the clone troopers acting as the elite shocktroopers/force whilst the droids just flooding in with the sheer numbers. THAT I would like to see just in general. super earth would be the one's having their "buts f@#$%d" as Rouga puts it.
Now this is very intriguing indeed 🤔🤔
Rouga, I will say this; the empire has so many planets with so many bodies to throw at super earth that it really doesn’t matter if each helldiver can take out 50 stormtroopers.
Also the space aspect would be the deciding factor due to logistics and orbital bombardment.
We don’t know the numbers of either military so I don’t see how you can argue this. We know 2 billion Helldivers have died in the last 7 or so months with no sign of slowing down or them being worried about casualties and they’ve killed 100 billion enemies in the same period. Helldivers are an elite faction of Super Earth and the SEAF which is the main fighting force dwarfs them in numbers. That’s literally all we know. We don’t know how many planets they have or how many they have in reserve. On the Star Wars side no number has ever been given for the amount of troopers. You’re just guessing on both.
So i wanna know about the armor. Stormtrooper armor (at least in legends) could tank bullets from slugthrowers. I don't know the caliber or velocity they shoot at but they could stop them. I don't know much about Helldiver armor but the question is, can helldiver guns penetrate Stormtrooper armor and can Stormtrooper Blasters penetrate Helldiver armor.
@@notsorrybricksanimationstu4917 We know the velocity to be hypersonic, at least the slugthrowers in the Shatterpoint novel, but the caliber is unknown
Most helldiver weapons have armor piercing rounds, and that includes their energy weapons. Unless stormtroopers have heavy vehicle grade armor, the helldivers won't have much issue.
I mean the 50 50 armour of helldivers is a bit broken HAHAHAHA
Well I have survived two consecutive tank cannon shots, one eaten by my shield the other caught to the chest, Heldivers armour is pretty premium, have also survived strikes from eagle strafes though that’s a big gamble
Well the DSS, while much smaller than the Death Star, was built in only a few months. In a leaked video, it’s said the DSS obliterated a small moon in its first test run. Helldivers are also only allowed to fight when total aerial superiority is achieved, meaning every planet they can fight on, their automation or illuminate fleets have already been destroyed. Martechi has some cool concept animations of possible super earth ships. The weapons of super destroyers may also have a slight advantage over Star destroyers, as they have turbo lasers which in the lore are plasma and relatively slow, but super earth ships have railcannons and powerful (and real) laser beams. This is a similarity between the covenant and unsc from halo, as covenant had shielded ships that could still be pierced by MAC cannons.
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725 really important to know the actual size of the moon. Cause the smallest of moons like Diemos can be destroyed by conventional nukes since it's so small, smaller than 9 kilometers. It has to be smaller than our own moon, so assuming it's half the actual moons size it'd be a little smaller than Pluto. That kinda firepower is somewhat matched by star wars frigates, who can canonically blast melt ice moons 1000 kilometers wide (Star Wars complete vehicles new edition) this is ironically more powerful than just blowing up a 1000 kilometer moon (Edit, I was wrong, still very close, like 2/3s the energy needed)
In every on screen depiction of orbital bombardment, turbolazers rounds cross thousands of miles within seconds. They are quite fast
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo Isn't Complete Vehicles New Edition a Legends lore book? I've heard from more dedicated SW fans that some of the legends numbers are kinda BS.
I can't recall any onscreen battles where ships engage each other beyond like 10 miles, and you can follow the speed of the lasers fairly easily. When Thrawn bombarded Atollon, they weren't that far off as it only takes a couple hundred miles to orbit Earth, Atollon must be close to earth's size because of gravity. It also took longer than a few seconds for them to come in, but of course editing could been to make it seem longer or shorter for the beams to hit. Plasma is also matter, so it would be assisted by gravity. They are also relatively easy to dodge.
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725The complete vehicles new edition is canon and was published 2021, you are thinking of the ICS. If you look at how small the earth sized planets are in view for all on screen bombardments, it's thousands of miles away. Remember the ISS is 200 miles above earth and earth covers their entire view from the window. Stuff like the battle of Hoth is shown to be more like 6,000 miles away (we can compare to actual satellite images 6,000 miles away). In the admiral trench arc of the clone wars, in order to hide from an orbiting fleets turbolazers, a republic fleet had to hide behind an actual moon, the average moon is hundreds of thousands of miles away from their planets, if we take the smallest moon to planet distance we know of its still 6,000 miles. This lines up with books like the ROTS novel, where ranges of hundreds of thousands of kilometers are explicitly stated. The small battle ranges and slow moving rounds are simply to look cool on screen
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo I see, but if we can track them so easily with the naked eye, do they not move slowly (relative to a bullet per se) since they are also plasma, or do they actually move slow beacuse of the plot/make it look cool?
@@legitbetterthanvinny9725 probably to look cool, turbolazers are like blasters where no matter the scene, they always take a couple frames to hit their target. So in up close battles, they move slow, and then in far off battles or orbital bombardments, they move at insane speeds. Directors don't care for the consistency only storytelling
The super destroyer is not the only ships super earth has. You know there has to be a larger ship since the regular army of Super Earth is not being deployed or transported by a super destroyer. In my honest opinion, super destroyers are probably truly classified as frigates since they have a small crew compliment and have one hanger.They also probably have cruiser, battleship, carriers, orbital invasion ships, and long range arty ship
I'd imagine it would take around a decade for hd2 space battles in a completely diff game
2:42 I’m reporting you to the nearest democracy officer for slandering super earth
The Empire does have its own elite teams as well; like Inferno Squad. The TL-50 Heavy Repeater and the NT-242 Heavy Sniper can do some serious damage. Also, since clone troopers were discussed, there’s also the Republic Commandos and ARC Troopers with their various arsenals.
Ok i think all non humans in the galactic empire would support the empire and even the humans would to cuz humans in super earth hate aliens but star wars humans don't so i think the rebels at some point would stop fighting the empire
good point
16:37 Did you seemingly forgot the FTL speed ships that attacked cyberstan when we thought they were gone.
The REAL army came.
Super earth vs the covenant from Halo
Im litteraly going to explode into a pile of meat if you think a storm trooper and a clone trooper are the same thing
They have very similar armor BUT their helmet is masisvley different and in terms of which is better a stormtrooper cant shoot anything infront of them, recruited by the empire and is usually canon fodder
A clone trooper is a clone made from the physically strongest human alibe with quick reaction time and learning speed and on avarage kill 200 droids before dying
The republic and the empire are 2 VERY different things
Tho in a 1v1 between a clone and a helldiver eith no stratagems im still pretty sure the clone is dying
Honestly Stormtroopers are menacing as hell, their portrayal in the films and sometimes other media’s just gives them a bad rep. They are supposed to be incredibly dangerous troops the empire has. Well not including the higher elites, but either way that being said. It depends on which portrayal of the stormtroopers we talking about.
@@ultraoverloadx9333yea the game storm troopers(jedi order/survivor) can actually aim and elites can duel jedi
@@ultraoverloadx9333yeah if you judge them by the movies they aren’t good since plot armor (main characters are main characters) but in the real lore storm troopers are elite
@@ultraoverloadx9333 yes they only lost because they were caught of guard and they were fighting locals with rebels but on hoth we could see that even if they made lot of mistakes they would won.
Video ideas
UNSC Vs Super Earth
Ahsoka Tano (Star Wars) vs Fred-104 (Halo)
Cyn (Murder Drones) vs lore accurate General Brasch and Jhon Helldiver
Death Troopers (Star Wars) vs Sisters of Battle (Warhammer 40K)
Master Chief (Halo) vs Senator Armstrong (Metal gear rising)
Pixy (Ace Combat Zero) vs Crimson 1 (Project Wingman)
Task Force 141 (COD) vs Alpha 9 (Halo)
These are NOT fair matchups
@@Paintballperson-k2l now I get the Master Chief vs Armstrong fight but how are the rest unfair
@Wildgamer2205 united nations security Council vs helldivers. The Un is not beating future earth😭 then Fred 104 vs ahsoka with no plot armor is... not going well.. then Cyn vs general brash or John helldiver. Cmon. The death troopers would take only a few sisters out before all dying. Their just stormtroopers with better aim and fancy armor.. then crimson 1 is the whole villian, I dont think pixy could win but almost. Then a COD group vs halo guys is... like the tech Mashups are...
Anyway if I made mistakes pls tell me I would like to know more bout each of these guys
@@Paintballperson-k2l 1 I meant The United Nations Space Command from halo. 2 the sisters of battle have very little in terms of armor protection and most of them only carry swords, so I think the Death Troopers have a shot at winning. 3 ODST in Alpha-9 use ballistic weapons such as the M7S SMG, MA5C Assault rifle and M6 Magnum pistol so pitting them against Task Force 141 isn't crazy. 4 Crimson 1 and Pixy are the villains of their respective games, and they are both great pilots in their own right, so their fight is going to be much closer than you think. 5 while yes Ahsoka can't beat Fred by just stabbing him with her lightsabers and their reaction time is close enough where a fight between the two would be 50/50 imo. General Brasch bench pressed a tank just by drinking Liber-Tea and he tanked lasers like nothing from the bots and caught a missile mid-flight and threw it back at the enemy so yeah, I think Cyn is going to have a tough time beating him
@@Wildgamer2205 You misunderstood the Brasch one, he's going to stop Cyn into nonexistence in the name of democracy without even using his shield that makes him immune to all damage. He was wrong about why but UNSC still has no shot against Super Earth, they have a fraction of the numbers and even if each Spartan is worth 500 Helldivers that's still less casualties than the Creek. The Sisters are absolutely as powerful as he made them sound, 40k isn't as OP and unbeatable as people act like it is but they are very OP. Crimson 1 is a better pilot with a better aircraft, but that one real would be kinda close. ODSTs stomp anything from any COD by pure virtue of dramatically better weapons and armor, yeah Halo uses similar calibers but with more advanced propellants, and modern rounds would struggle to break their armor.
Super Earth's gonna adapt, they've proven themselves against the Illuminate and they'll most likely do that again.
Based destruction is spectacular but as he says, "clones" and even imperials have ion weapons.
These turn helldiver power armored soldiers into heavy non powered statues.
This just reminded me of the ground to space Ion cannon on Hoth that was disabling ISDs
live never gave us lemons, we invented them by our self - Emperor of humanity
Personally i think a halo wars/command and conquer type helldivers game would be sick
Also Stormtrooper armor is optimised for plasma weaponry not bullets
General Brash solo empire, i mean everyone knows what he cand do to factory striders with blank rounds.
Just want to say that the super Earth Navy does have more ships other than the Super Destroyer which are more powerful. We do hear about them in game such as the Liberty class cruiser, so we can assume they have other larger ships as well. That said we have no clue what they look like
If you go to the Helldivers 1 trailer I think you see a ship that not a super destroyer could be the liberty class.
@@thatall1145 I think that's just the old super dd. Still, if it isn't, the super dd changed so much in design between the games in the 100 years between them, that it's safe to assume the other ships also would.have gotten a massive make over
The Illuminate: *cures cancer*
Super Earth: *creates the literal cancer-plague from the cure*
Helldivers can actually kill jedis very easily since the light sabers don’t block physical slugs and force isn’t fast enough to repel them. These guns did exist in Star Wars too but both sides agreed to never use them for some reason.
There was a comment that said that no, lightsabers HAVE blocked slugthrowers and other physical projectiles.
@@justyouraverage_machine9578 well they're wrong(according to wookiepedia)
@@unothecard21 Tell that to the guy who made the comment (if you can find said comment), I’m just saying someone said they could.
Heh, just wait til John Helldiver gets his hands on Palpatine.
The Jet Brigade ship implies that Super Earth has quite sizeable space combat ships (most likely different to a super destroyer) also the DSS is just the first combat space station, others literally must exist
I wanna see how Darth Vader would deal with any of the following:
2 AC-8 Autocannon crews unloading their entire backpacks on full-auto
4 GR-8 Recoilless Rifles at once
4 RS-422 Railguns on unsafe mode
8 EAT-17s in quick succession
4 M-105 Stalwarts mag-dumping at maximum RPM
4 RL-77 Airburst Rocket Launchers from various directions
4 FAF-14 Spear launchers
16 "Oops, all barrages" at once
Orbital Laser
he could probably catch any rockets with the force, but yeah, anything that fires bullets is gonna be a problem, like say, an orbital airburst strike, just thinking about how viscerally those rounds slam into the ground, yeah nah he done
@@canadiangopnik7007napalm, arc thrower, tesla tower, eagle strafing run and of course the airburst strike. There are several things that could put the dark lord in the dirt. Surround him with several hundred SEAF personnel, yeah he’s gonna win that. Surround him with several dozen helldivers? Yeah Vader is put in the dirt.
@ I feel like an arc thrower or Tesla tower wouldn’t be impossible for him cuz yknow, force lightning can be blocked, but even just a few simple heavy machine guns would do it
BTW, regular projectile weapons are pretty effective against lightsabers. When struck by a lightsaber, bullets tend to fragment which can send shrapnel into the weirder. Not to mention, shotguns are just gonna be goated against a jedi/sith
Or shoot an Autocannon that has a 5 foot wide explosion.
@@rougarabidtheres the force to just to launch the projectile backwards
@@ThegrandKrildgood luck reacting in time to stop a railgun shell.
@@curom6593Don’t some of the stronger jedi\sith have future sense?
It's important to note that Super Destroyers are built for ground-support. All of its weapons are downwards facing. It would be restricted to some awkward maneuvers to bring its weapons to bear on a target that's not on the ground.
While the Canon numbers of the galactic military are unknown, in legends they were said to have around ten trillion soldiers, and it wouldn't be that far off to assume canon had a similar number, considering how stormtroopers seem to be near everywhere across the galaxy, even being so common as to be doing basic police work. Also if they really wanted to, they could probably mass produce droid armies if they needed to, the CIS canonically numbered in the quadrillions and was made in just a few years (star wars allies and adversaries) and the Empire already uses several droid sentry units regularly. The DT-Series sentry droid was so common it was used to guard unmanned trade vessals. If they're industry matches just 10% of the Canon CIS, the helldivers would be outnumbered in a matter of months
Spaceship wise the galactic empire in canon had 25,000 ISD and at least 4 times that number in light frigates. In legends the empire had millions of capital ships, canon probably as well since this number likely doesn't count the planetary defense fleets most planets had as personal protection. Canon Ships in star wars are vastly superior to helldivers, with a single ISD being able to glass entire planets in an operation called base delta zero. And the turbolazers on a munificent class crusier, a CIS frigate so disposible it can't even be refeuled, has enough firepower to blast melt ice moons the size of pluto (star wars complete vehicles new edition). They would have trouble dealing with just light frigates, I can't really see them dealing with something like the death star. Also the galactic empire has top tier navy admirals like Thrawn, who would make this power imbalance even more dispraportionate
Canon Vader and Sidious are insanely strong opponents for the helldivers to deal with, but kinda nonfactors given the sheer scale of the conflict. They could individually slaughter thousands of helldiver's and tear entire starships out of the sky (in a recent canon comic Sidious casually force crushed a Suma verminath, a space beast so big it dwarfs Star Destroyers) but the average planet in helldivers has millions of casualties already. Also inquistors are pretty much irrelevant as well, their terribly inneffective.
All in all the helldivers are likely outnumbered, or would be the moment the empire conscripts %1 of its population, whcih numbers over 100 Quadrillion. And their spaceships, tho more numerous are far weaker, and as far as I know they don't really have an answer to the death star, so the empire should have the advantage, tho the divers would make it a good fight
those are those just helldiver casualty we see in display we still dont know the seaf casualty
and helldivers are already outnumbred anyways
If the Empire uses the Death Star, Super Earth will use black hole tech, which they've used once before in Canon. And they will use it just to say "hey, we can destroy planets too. So cut that Death Star shit out, or our next target is Coruscant."
@@Roosauec They had to make planetfall and inject it, and it took several days. The death star is instant, and the helldiver's method is countered by planetary shields. Planet covering shield's exist in both legends and canon, important worlds like coruscant have them. Unless the helldiver's have continental or planetary shields, a single canon ISD or handful of frigates could glass planets and achieve the same result within hours without having to make planetfall or waste time breaking down planetary shields
@@CorneliusChimp-hm2vo Super Earth advances at an incredibly fast rate. They have the technology to make black hole tech at that kind of range, they just never needed to do it before. I mean, when you're the only one in the universe who has world destroying tech, why improve it? But you see someone else who has it, and you're going to want your tech updated pretty quickly.
And they can update their their tech pretty quickly. Super Earth took the Illuminant's technology for curing diseases like cancer, and weaponized it. And then they used it against the Illuminants. I'm pretty sure once they learn of the Death Star, ranged black hole tech will be available next week
Thanks, some one is trying to use numbers and not just things out of their imagination
Aint no way super earth will figure out how to use the force
One thing that wasn’t taken into account:
Storm Troopers cannot for their fucking life and kids, hit another person lol.
That’s not an argument and that’s usually a joke that’s not actually serious to the lore. Within the lore itself they are elite soldiers with insane accuracy and have defeated many armies while being outnumbered just like helldivers
@@StormtrooperCommander within the lore their helmets were made worse on purpose so they lost their aim assist becasue they didnt want the rbeles taking their technology
@@SketchyKetchy69 that’s wrong their helmets were actually very good and had automated systems if someone stole it so they couldn’t see out of it
@@SketchyKetchy69Their helmets are ID locked *not* made intentionally worse. Rebels can’t see well out of them since the UI in them won’t turn on.
Also why would you make your equipment worse just to deny insurgents from using them? That’s like giving all your foot soldiers sticks instead of guns just so the enemy doesn’t gain anything from stealing them.
35:52 HE SAID THE FUNNY MAN!!!!
My brother in Christ a do you know how biology works adaptation doesn't work like that 6:09
Yea right!?!? Like oh yea sure nature will make you resistant to bullets or slash real well it wont make your blood not be blood no more😂😂
LITERALLY MY REACTION-
I was literally gonna comment this. That’s not how evolution works brother, you can’t just change your fucking blood
Well he’s clearly an uneducated bug/bot sympathizer
Yall realize he’s bullshitting right 💀
What would happen if the helldivers were in the genshin impact
we actually do know what one of the automaton's spaceship ship types look like, you can see it in the escalation of freedom artwork
Wrong! During the automaton comback, the news broadcast shows a fuckload of them.
23:52 as we know we have the dss 77 presidential canons. We go shoot people.
24:45 OOH RAH!!!
The scale of the universes are incomparable. The empire controls more than 1 million planets. Super earth just a handful… it’s not even fair to compare them. The destruction of Meridia was a one-off event for super earth; while the comparable destruction of Mandalore was just a repeatable event for the Empire.
Those "Planets" we deploy to are actually core places in a System. Meridia Sector has a core planet we deploy to. Also the tech between the two are still a wide stretch. Super Earth has a faster FTL travel than Star Wars. It's also more reliable. Super Earth has extremely reliable networking and Logistics to be able to keep in very much, PERFECT contact from Super Earth to the Edges of the Milky Way
@@mightywizard83 you're only kinda right. Because the population of super earth citizens is literally nutty.
Hundreds of millions of the helldivers die in campaigns and helldivers couldn't actually be anything more than like 1% of their armed forces. Armed forces have never exceeded 10% in any country ever. So that means the 1% of the 10% are capable of losing hundreds of millions without collapsing in on itself from cost and unsustainable losses.
Those losses could only be absorbed without consequences by a nation-like entity numbering in the TRILLIONS. Trillions plural, just 1 Trillions is incomprehensible but trillions plural?! Bro you'd have to kill millions of people every second to even hope to keep up.
Helldivers verse is actually crazy in terms of population for its size. In short form. It might be a smaller loaf but it's far denser.
The helldivers also fight the automatons. Which by all metrics are far more dangerous than anything the stormtroopers have faced. Bots are also just capable of causing far more problems for the divers than some other dude in roughly equivalent armor. Divers deal with automatons.
Stormtroopers would get stomped by the bots, those bots aren't b1s. Automatons have better coms, accuracy, target acquisition, and unit cohesion than any biological being short of those possessing "magic" powers. B1s were known to be terribly ineffective but they were super cost efficient. The automatons are war machines and there is no doubt the only thing terrible about them is how efficient they are at murder. Lol
@@realsuperbunnyman2460 Ever is a stretch. During ww2 its estimated the soviets and germans had mobilized 20% and 23% respectively of their population to fight. Super Earth is in a pretty similar position as the germans were
Exactly the sheer weight of numbers for the Empire is overwhelming. Super Earth coming into the Star Wars universe with less than 300 planets backing them seems quite underwhelming.
@@HenryArchive Those weren't technically armed forces, roughly half of the people that were mobilized were mobilized as logistical support. So that means that they were still not even scratching 15% of the population as armed forces. So no, not once ever has any nation had more than 10% of their pop be true armed forces. In the US not even 1% of our population is in the military. Out of those in the military only about 15% of them are combat units.
We're talking about real fighting men and women not a peasant with a pitch fork or some dude who drives a truck for the army. Soldiers.
Helldivers are a special forces unit. One capable of sustaining hundreds of millions of casualties in the span of of days without even so much as stuttering from loss. Thats literally insanity. It's far more people than the empire has stormtroopers. I will say again the divers are a force that's at least in the billions. The regular armed forces in the diver's verse far outnumber the diver's so there's absolutely no doubt at all that the numbers are far closer than you think. They're actually likely favoring the diver's verse on shear numbers.
Smaller loaf, much denser bread.
Most planets in star wars don't have more than a few million people. In the helldiver verse a hundred million helldivers die for some desert planet. They may not have as big of a territory as the galactic empire but the helldiver verse may very well dwarf it in numbers.
Unlike stormtroopers, Helldivers can actually aim
Until i start getting overrun and mag dump in every direction
A couple things. Depending on where Super Earth enters the galaxy they would have to contend with other factions such as the Hutts. Super Earth also has no idea where the planets are, where the safe places are, and cannot use the lightspeed lanes. The Empire would find out where the portals are and set up perimeters.
Also, the Empire has the space combat advantage. So...how are the Helldivers going to resupply or use the things they need their ships to deploy...of their ships are destroyed? No ships, no helldivers. I feel the Empire wins this based on that alone
Great points but that would be if the empire has a perfect response to the situation. I don't believe they have ever dealt with an invading force of the magnitude super earths. Plus if super if finds a planet and take it over quickly they probably have a map somewhere of planets that are nearby so they could spread quicker through that maybe
@Tengu-Atlas Still doesn't stop the Empire from destroying all their ships. If the Divers have no ships, they will eventually fall. Im not saying the Empire would slaughter them, but they would win in the end. Sure they lose a lot of worlds, but that's trivial
@@GielSalamour the hell divers actually do have a lot of ships like a lot of ships. It’s something like 10 times the number of super destroyers it’s wild. You just never see them since you’re not allowed to deploy on a plant that you don’t already have full space control over.
@RevanReborn3950BBY That's fair. But the Empire has a lot of ships too. If we include the First Order (which we absolutely should) the Empire has a weapon that can wipe out an entire system and a massive fleet anywhere in the galaxy. I also imagine that Super Earth isn't nearly as skilled in small ship to ship combat (though I admittedly don't know) where the Empire has a near endless supply of every type of TIE fighter so my point remains. The Empire wins due to space superiority. Also the Divers could not access, let alone weaponize the force as they have no midiclorians. Cloning won't work nor would a blood transfusion.
My main problem with these latest videos is that he cherry picks the lore of the things the Divers go against to favor them. Either use all the lore or don't do it
@ We shouldn’t use the first order since they aren’t the empire, and you have to decide at some point between canon and legends, but I understand where you’re coming from in regards to lore usage in the video, I also felt he was cherry picking. In regard to fleet combat, the Super Earth’s biggest advantage is time. Their FTL travel is instantaneous, and therefore they can outnumber the Empire in every fight, taking on fleets one by one, rather than facing their full might.
To my knowledge it is said that the Super Destroyer of Super Earth are powerful enough to destroy a small moon
This is hilarious and dope! As a Star Wars fan and Helldiver player I never thought to put these two against each other. One small correction, there are 2 DSS space stations, the first is near mars and shown in the training scene, the 2nd is under construction.
I think they could give a star destroyer a run for its money with a ship if orbital lasers, 380s and 500kgs are used against ships in space. Close fight... appreciate the breakdown!
The 500 kg is from the eagle so our super destroyers technically wouldnt be shoot those but we do have the precision strike. Ems potentially could be devastating and shut down some ships for a time
@@Tengu-Atlas And the Eagle is *a single* fighter
Bro we dont have 2 dss where did you get that from
@@nitrocool2.0-1check the map near Super Earth and also do the training again. You launch from the first DSS.
I do recall this line: "The average helldiver mission approaches the cost of a Liberty Class Cruiser."
So we do know they have bigger and stronger space ships for space combat, we just don't see it.
Helldivers shoot more accurate than stormtroopers :P
Being from outside the Star wars universe there a good chance there not able to use the force.
Agreed they may be so low in force abilities it’s not even detectable. Almost like the Tau in 40k incredibly low in psychic abilities.
Theirs a a couple interesting things to add on, a lot of the enemy units seem to be based on more clone wars era stuff in helldivers, but still effected by bullets.
In star wars real guns were entirely phased out and discarded because the basic armor became so advance not even anti-material rifles were useful anymore, they became reliant on entirely this laser plasma mix of blasters which to this day still can't even be entirely garunteed to protect you even with high quality armor like beskar.
That alone puts helldivers on a 1 to 1 beneath even storm troopers at the start, they do have plasma eletric and gas weapons which should work. Also the storm troopers are more just the army, if were comparing a helldiver to more of a elite force, dark troopers (the old school ones, not those shitty robot ones) and storm commandos are far far more inline with helldivers, having some of the scariest kill-death ratio and extremely convenient weapons on hand.
The star wars galaxy is also practically 3 or 4 x larger then the helldivers one and would be the biggest problem in even controller a fraction of the galaxy for helldivers, they would have to employ bounty hunters for scouting and missions im sure, but jaba clan is powerful enough that even the super space racism that is the empire wouldn't dare blow up their
Planets. So im sure it wiuld be a issue, Or a no touch zone.
Im not really sure what would happen, it depends how well negotiation could be manipulated through palpatine since he basically.. turned a democracy into a full on empire. Maybe they would get along scarily well together and i think palpatine would take over the government underhandedly, or be invited to the circle group of the super earth.