PRO Mastering Engineer VS AI
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- Опубликовано: 10 ноя 2022
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Really enjoyed your speaking through your thoughts about these different versions, great ear!
Of the AI options, I think Ozone 10 has the most potential. With additional manual configuration, I think you could closely match the pro mastering closely. I felt that most of the AI mastering tools just seemed a bit muddy, with too much bass and low end, and the cymbals and high hats too squashed for my personal taste. Ozone, even using presets, had better clarity and separation than the other AI tools, IMO.
Also really dug the tune, Nathan. Sweet vocals👍🏻
Ozone’s AI offers a really great starting point for a master, but shouldn’t be considered a final version. Learning to tweak it to taste after running the assistant is key.
that's how i've gotten my best mixes so far, i mix it as well as i know how to personally then at the end of the creation/mixing process run the assistant. then tweak as needed :)
Shut up ho it sounded good and regular listeners wouldn’t care anyway as long as it sounds good
Logic Artificial intelligence masters it better than ozone artificial intelligence. You will understand what I mean better when you listen with high-quality speakers or headphones.
Ozone 10 sounds best. The instruments are very clear and the overall mix sounds transparent. Good amount of space and separation with a comfortable loudness.
Awesome video! Thanks for the help.
You read my mind!!! I was really needing this video 🥰🥰🥰 so cool
Really helpful video! Thanks man!
Thanks Nathan, this is the exact video I needed, currently looking for mastering options to make my productions sound that much better and this was very helpful.
Ozone mastering sounds really good. I can imagine if you tweaked it you could come up with a very suitable master.
3:17 LAnDR
6:43 Mastering Studio
6:58 emaster
7:14 Original
8:20 Ozone10
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3:17 LAnDR is Way Better! Loud & Clear! That's the Point of Mastering.
Really good informative video. Thank you for doing this!
So helpful Nathan, for my situation Mastering Studio should be more than enough now!
all leveling principles set aside. I like the dynamics you created with your own natural talent. Your ideas have inspired me to try new things! Thank you!
This guy doesn’t reply’s not even a thank you 👌
Fire song🔥🔥🔥loved the intro❤️
Great review. I agree with your take. The pro master was clearly the best, but mastering studio sounded really good. And given that Ozone 10 is a one time cost, it may make a lot of sense to get good at that and see where you wind up. Thanks a lot.
Such a wonderful song🙏🏻
Love the song!
Great song!
I think this was a really thorough review thanks for that Nathan! I'm curious for everyone in the comments though for these services do you also prefer pay as you go or does subscription sound more reasonable?
The thing with mastering is: You kind of pay fpr someones trained ears and super high fidelity monitoring situation. Ozone might give you the tools to achieve similar results, but if you learn how to create a great master, the tool itself is probably the easiest thing to obtain. It takes a lot of practice and you really have to know your monitoring environment to make the master translate well. With the A.I. options available my feeling is that most of them just make loud and overhyped so it might sound more exciting at first (but it most cases ear fatiguing).
If you just want to get your mix loud and ready for streaming platforms, just use Ozone or one of the services, but in my opinion mastering is about something more than that.
Very useful thanks
Thjs is what i wanted to see
I didn't even know these existed. Pretty interesting.
Hope this gets answered as Im considering using Landr for my recent masters. In the Landr example, which Loudness setting did you select for use in this video, "Low, Medium or High" and what Style was used, "Warm, Balanced or Open"? Thanks in advance!
Tx man, great info. Can you do another comparative vid with Bandlab? Could be interesting. I'm hearing good things about it.
Recently used a lovely pro guy from a million pound studio. Problem is they won't spend as much time as you would on your beloved music. Ended up using landr, went back and forth correcting things and then refined with their revision tool and it sounded incredible. Sounds pro on everything. If your good at mixing this is the best way
I don't think AI will ever get good enough be beat a PRO master. Human artistry will always play a roll in all parts of music. That being said it is nice that there are AI tools that can at least get closeish.
The art is in the mix. Mastering is just a way to format things
1000x more naive than 'I don't think a cpu will ever beat a human at chess' and then 'go' etc etc
Underestimating the potential of AI will always be a losing bet
@@daykvibes as a software engineer I am quite aware of the potential of ai. I am sure one day AI will make technically flawless masters. The thing is when it comes to music flawless is not always what makes people want to listen. Completely removing the human decisions from any part of the process will lose some thing even if that something can not be quantified. However people tastes changes over time so maybe AI masters will be exactly what people like here in a decade or less.
@@peterchamplin8767 sometimes I think it'll be a case of like incorporating A I and maybe a human element, but then again who knows what the future of tech has in store
Very helpful comparison. I haven't gotten to mess with Ozone 10 yet, but use Ozone 9 still. I've actually heard some comments from Ozone users that didn't love the changes made in 10. I don't find it overly bright in v9. BUT at the end of the day, the ozone stuff should get you in the ballpark. You have to further tweak it. The longer you use it the more you know what to fix, turn off, enhance, etc.. I would agree though - if you have the budget - pay to have a human do it. There are so many things that AI can't account for. Also - you can find a lot more mastering engineers these days that are honestly pretty comparable to the AI pricing. In the box mastering has opened up a lot of opportunity. Cheaper - but at the end of the day, it's still human ears making decisions.
Which Preset did you use at Ozone 10 ? There are so big differences 😉 I‘m love Ozone 10 and yes you have to learn how to work with 😅 and then you get amazing results🤩
So good! It's kind of amazing the quality of the videos Nathan posts for free on here...this is a very practical review of why you might use the different Mastering options out there. Another reason you might choose to use a service or plug-in is for pitching a comp...the cost of playing around with lots of mockups is prohibitive for a home producer if you professionally master all of them. Btw, it's content like this that's even more in depth along with his feedback that's made me really happy with his Accelerator course. 👍
I would say e-mastered sounds the best... thanks for sharing your video!
What is the best AI for mixing?
Landr offers you the chance to up load a reference track for mastering if I remember correctly , did you try that out? , I have few a mastering plugins , to my amateur ears they do an okay job of getting the track fit to release ,but I am sure to a pro they sound not to so great.
I master my tracks, using these good VSTs: FG-X2, Slate Digital FGX, Virtual Mix Rack & FabFilter Compressor
I think I preferred Ozone 10 here, even compared to the Pro master, especially since there is a lot of possibilities to tweak in there.
Did you compare the record with Aria?
plugin name ?
Hi everyone
Is this song released somewhere?
Great video Nathan! As an indie writer I feel the exact same way about subscription mastering - it just doesn’t make sense for me and the pro stuff is probably a bit pricey for where I’m at. I will definitely look into Mastering Studio and/or Ozone! Thx!
am i insane? where is the list of sites/tools?
Landar hears my hears, fore real.
Thank you so much, I still am not sure if I should pay for mastering, I do a song every 1-2 weeks.
Tried paid mastering but the result was much worse than my mix after 3 revisions.
Also I want to stay in a 100-200$ range for a song. Probably should find a person with some amount of skills who recently started.
Kindly let me know if you have any advice here.
Btw your songs are so good, I recently rewatched Arcane and then listened to youre music and maaaaaaaaaaaaaan.
(Also been mastering with Bandlabs AI in the past, now mostly Ozon Elements)
Hallo Nathan, very interesting comparison! If only I heard everything you hear. This must have to do my age.
Well, I’m missing another AI mastering app called „Cloud Bounce“ which I‘m sure you know. And if so, it’s probably not as good as those you compare, otherwise you‘d taken it it in consideration too.
Hello do you mastering a song if I send you my vocals??
Someone mentioned that the original mix sounds in mono?
I prefer Ozone version because it fits my taste much more, i guess it has the most audience-friendly vibe with further potential to optimize.
Everyone, is there a good program for mixing ai?? My working environment is earphones
I'm waiting for an ai that automatically mixes.
Is it Neutron 4??
honestlt I like your none mastered mix better than the A.I. mastered ones. The Snare younds bigger where it needs to be. there's more clarity and definition on the raw mix. The A.I masters are louder but it makes the song sound closed in. Just my opinion. Ozone 10 sounds really good. It sounds like your original mix but louder and a littmore defined.
What's the song??
I believe our AI would be a great contestent to the one you've tested! Would be cool if you put to a spin :)
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Ozone sounded the best. Most of these lost all transients, maybe for this genre of music that's ok but I can't stand masters with weak transients. Mastering Studio sounded the worst, perfect example, no transients, bad EQ, separation & completely washed out. Pro Master only slightly better. Landr would probably be good if you didn't choose the loudest setting, it is deff clipping now.
Also, I don't know how you recorded this video, maybe it's something with the routing of your DAW to OBS?. But listen to it on youtube, your decision might be a lot different.
the bass was mixed a little too hot before the mastering. but still a good track...thanks for the videos!
I disagree, it was able to poke through even after being crushed. Sounded nice
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Tf is up with the emojis lol
Why does your mix sounds like its in mono, or did you purposely do that?
Personally after using LANDR for a few projects i decided to swap for emastered. Landr takes away the low warmth away compared to the default emastered mastered version. For the best results with emastered i use the reference track mode. Even with landr reference mode, i can't get it sound good enough. One pro tip. If you want to master your own tracks you need a baseline. Let your first 2 track be mastered by someone who is skilled in this profession. Then use those masters as your own baseline for future master productions. You can then tweak the buttons and compare the output with the mastered version from the pro. Also because these masters are created by yourself, you can replicate it much easier.
Yep - I have found over and over that I can tell when something is mastered by LANDR or not - which is not a good thing. If another person can literally be like "Yeah that sounds like a LANDR master" that's not good - it should just be "that is a great sounding master" and not specific things to point out. LANDR is almost always pushing the highs wayyyy too much and I've been finding a lot of added distortion that just doesnt sound good. I'm all for saturation but it has to make sense and add to the song quality - not just "be there"
I like what Ozone did with the high end. However, my perception of 16kz+ is not what it used to be lol
Ozone much more defined and dynamic. The others to smashed and wooly(even the pro master). But that´s only my taste.
pak agus tolong bahas LANDR. AI mixing
terimakasih
I was trying to find the pro master and mastering studio Ai websites but couldn’t..Can you link where I can find them?
Same! Did it go out of business? If you found the link, please post it here!
@@TheLeeCohen Same!
I only have air pods, but it all sounded the same to me except ozone…
let me get that beat fam
You should've included Aria Mastering which is one of the better AI services that uses all analog gear.
Dam iZotope has really done it. It sounds so much better.
Ozone i liked the most on this Song. It cleaned a lot of unclarity.
ozone 10 doesn't sound bad at all!
Is this your song?
I'd really be curious how the WAVES compares to the others here on this track.
You know what's really sad? Half the people that might listen to the landr version in their car would instantly go pump up treble and bass, I always scream at people and say WE HAVE DONE THE EQ FOR YOU lol. In any modern GOOD car system you should always leave a commercially mastered mix flat, simple as that.
I'm waiting for a AI mastering tool in Cubase. I'm a composer and arranger and think all this mix/eq/master hubbub is overrated. I want to let AI analyze my songs, then use the best (or at least appropciate) EQ etc settings and be good with it.
I like ozone better than the "pro"
don't base mastering price over quality it's quality over everything i don't care about the price when it comes to doing what i love
That ozone track was perfect until you messed with it lol good video though man
I wish somebody would do a video on mastering with A PROFESSIONAL MIX! These “at home” mixes aren’t a good way to test this. The diy mix I’d basically confusing the algorithm of the ai. Mastering can’t fix a mix
What are the professionals using? Maybe AI also. 😂 I just saying. Great video
Yes, plugins are standard these days. I master using a chain I created, then i ozone 9 it. After that i use a few more ai plugins to tweak the ozone master and I'm done.
Add a bunch of echo outs to the vocals. Chop it up
Although I think nothing could beat a professional mastering engineer, I still appreciate AI and I do use it because I can't afford a professional at this point. AI mastering isn't bad but hopefully I will be able to afford professional mastering in the future.
I'm a bit surprised that the AI would be separate from professional mastering. I use very advanced tools - but despite AI use, it's not a mill & still requires a human. NOTE: You really do need to consider stressing the importance of loudness adjusting parallel tracks for comparison. Check out my services & consider submitting the same track for a gratis mastering demo. Best wishes.
ozone was better, just needed some change.
You must be crazy to pay 150 for one track with these minimal difference. Know your audience, your customers. Unless they are master mixers engineers, 99% will not give a f about the quality of the audio (from this comparison). I must be one of the first bedroom producers since 2006 till 2011 providing music libraries with royalty free music. I made huge profits, but if I had the mastering tools they have now I would be 3 times a millionaire.
For me the mix isnt great to begin with therefore masters arent great. Mix through a master chain your mixes will improve. Be curious to see you try this again in the future. Also level match them. Good luck on your journey
ozone 10
Technology is amazing! Don't take this the wrong way, but why not become a pro mastering engineer? It would make you that much better!
AI- Ozone by far. Love the definition in the bass.
But as far as overall, the Pro master wins. But it's uncomfortably close lol
This song sounds like AI
Mastering and mixing is measured in frequencies, levels, DATA. People mastering and mixing will disappear. It´s a question of time.
Mastering studio is the best. In comparison, during the switch, you have a moment of bewilderment because the others are more open and clear, but they are more empty in reality and have less presence. Mastering studio is less bright but it has the best drum, best bass and best voice and everything is softer.
the real problem here is that your mix just isn't great. throw a better mix to all these options and it will be a different comparison entirely.
Mix going in was so poorly produced going in, that its a wonder any of them did anything of use.
I think the mix isn't that good really.
Emastered sounds ten times better
Emastered was much better
AI mastering makes zero sense. The point of mastering is for another professional to quality check the mix and prepare it for playback. AI cannot make those decisions. It’s only able to (at the most) analyze spectrally and match a target tonal balance. You making those small decisions in Ozone 10 is not considered AI. You’re influencing the outcome by lowering the clipping and changing the target curve genre. Which is awesome! But not consider an AI master. It’s what it says.. assistance. The human factor is essential in mastering. Otherwise it’s hit or miss.
Definitely do not disagree - I still use a professional mastering engineer for any kind of official release and when it comes to licensing/TV (which is what I do more now) I am doing my own mastering (not with Ozone or AI but old fashioned mastering chain) but Ozone did a great job, and I am definitely gonna be digging into it more.
When I was earlier on I did use LANDR and found overall "good" results but like you said - you cannot get consistency which is a major downside. I just got another song mastered by my mastering guy, and I am able to tell him specifically what I want which is huge. Did a major cinematic pop track that has massive hits and impacts and I can tell him "Hey, we need to accentuate the hits but still retain clarity" or "I want the lows to be big but not hogging up space" and he can do that. And he can do it pretty much every time without needing revisions.
So it's one of those things that if you CAN hire a great mastering engineer - it is awesome, but I was definitely impressed with Ozone 10.
Music quality is a fools errand.
Music gave up being original decades ago
Ai mastering 😂 creating phase issues