Thank you so much for bearing with me! I can't describe how close it is. Honestly, another weekend or two and it's your guy's forever. I am excited, this animation is going to blow you away. I'm trying to hit the year anniversary for the release date. Stay tuned, March 18th is the goal!!
Hey, Chris! Thank you so much for such an awesome comment. Yes at this moment the animation is about 10 minutes long of pure, uncut, action. I think this is something truly unique to RUclips. I can't imagine what the response is going to be like. I also can't tell you how much encouraging comments mean to content creators. Excited to see you guys when the video is finally published. It's looking like a December release date! Stay tuned
@@monstermash1571 Hey Mash, yes I did! I was actually hoping to watch the premiere but I was on a plane when it aired! Left your 82nd like I think, glad to see it has over 300 now. Sorry I didn't leave a comment before, but yes I loved it! Well done!
Quick Update Everyone! For new subscribers as well as people waiting in eager anticipation. I'm happy to say this video is going to knock it out of the park! I just crossed the 4-minute mark, which makes this my longest project to date! I expect this to be finished in the upcoming weeks, thanks again for your patience! We have something truly special in-store. If I may preface this, the reason this Catfight was made, is because I think these Female icons deserve to be evaluated through a new lens. I think both women were robbed of great, female adversaries, and thus as audience members, we never got to examine these icons under such a circumstance. I personally, don't care for the semantics of the fight, "Black Widow, would destroy Catwoman in seconds, it wouldn't even be close" I understand that sentiment, and I want to honor the characters as best as I can, but I also think its important to have high stakes in the reality I created. I want to surprise you, I want to entice you, I want your heart to race as this fight races towards its epic conclusion. Please go into it with an open mind and enjoy the show when it comes. - MonsterMash
@@weijiancheng Be sure to go in with an open mind. This is just one fan made video. The point isn't to dislike the video if the person you are or are not rooting for wins or looses.
I’m just so pumped to see the changing dynamics that will transpire throughout the fight. It’ll cool to see a confident and sultry Selina dominate parts of the fight as Natasha tries to regain the upperhand or Selina just growing more desperate as the fight goes on as Natasha effortlessly dances around her attacks.
Hey Buddy.....uh...so theres no easy way to say this...but, unfortuantley the animation is not coming out today. I'm writing to you personally to let you know. Believe me, I feel terrible saying that, and this was the forecast release date for a while, but I can't release it today. That said, the animtion is still 98% done. I told everyone on Patreon / Discord and they've seen screenshots and thankfully everyone is still very supportive, and I'm very thankful. Based on the feedback I've gotten from Discord, I know this animation means a lot to a lot of people, However, I did make a comitment to myself that this will be in the best possible shape before It's released into the world. Some of the people on discord have seen the first 5 minutes of the animation and the feedback has been stellar. I think my favorite comment was someone saying "This animation is eseceitally everything we've all wanted to see." I was so careful to make this perfect. I thought long and hard about how to please as many people as possible with this. Right there, what you comented, about the changign dyanmics, its all there in the animation. You, more than anyone I think truly capture what my vision was for this, and inadverntley I think yours will come to life as well, as we had such simialir ideas as we theroized on how this would go down. I'm sure you'll rewatch this, many, many times. I just haven't had the chance to work on it in the last few weeks. I got myself into a bit of romantic trouble, haha, and that, on top of the state of the world, It just wouldn't even feel right uploading it around this time. Bare with me and to be fair, it hasn't even been a year since I released THIS video where I first announced it. So, hang tight. It's coming....
@@monstermash1571 Oh, don’t worry. As much as I wanna watch it, I can tell that it’s not on the list of priorities right now. Just make sure to put this in the back burner if you’re really not able to do it because of personal problems. I’ve been loving what I’ve been seeing and talking with you about what this could shape up to be has really magnified that feeling. Is there any way that I could see the first five minutes? If possible?
Could you provide another link? The current one doesn’t work for me, and it doesn’t work when I try to send a friend request to MonstermashGraveyardSmash
Yoo, I'm glad you reached out dude, I was going to write to you sooner, but I'm glad you had a chance to check Patreon. So yes the animation is about 14 minutes long, with a cool bonus at the end...so we're looking at potentially, 15 minutes. I watched the whole thing on repeat for a few hours this morning. It has came along very well and I am proud of it. I'm also working very hard on preserving the video quality when it finally hits RUclips, I want you guys to be able to see every bit of detail. Nothing should go unnoticed. Id say it's still about 95% done but due to the holidays, plans bring cancelled, plus Omnicron, I just haven't been able to work on it. I don't need much more time, but I just haven't had a moment to breathe as this year ends. Didn't think I'd be working on this in 2022, but here's to the new year. Catch you on the flip side.
@@monstermash1571 Oh I check Patreon whenever I can, each frame has done nothing more than just solidify my excitement for this project. Thank you for being so patient and careful with your work, shows expert craftsmanship. I’m just more blown away that you managed to keep the video length so big. I’d honestly lose my creativity and flow after like the five minute mark if it were in my less capable hands. I’ve written something similar with Black Canary/Catwoman and I was honestly done by the 12th paragraph. Like you would think a fight between Selina and Nat without their signature weapons would just be a five minute tussle but this is proving to be a real slug fest between the two. Did you have a particular moment that just blew you away once finally finished animating it? I gotta say, that heel pin that Catwoman lands on Nat’s neck looks like it’s gonna just end in an endless amount of sass from Selina’s end.
@@raymondrmrz0244 dude, I just want to say thank you...as you commend my hard work, I equally want to say thank you for your support, kind words, and excitement! It's motivating and I want to make you proud. As we get close to the end, it's you who I've been able to bounce ideas off of all this time. Thanks for being there, I mean it. Looking at the comments on this video of everyone saying they can't wait, is humbling but it's also heartbreaking that it's all from 9 and 10 months ago. I truly appreciate the support over all this time, from all of you. Yeah, 14 minutes of action was...a lot ..but you'll see how much work went into each shot. All 250 shots look better than those 5 seconds you see up there! ☝️this whole thing truly feels like a short film brought to life. Originally, it was meant to be 5 minutes long, but while working on it, it just kept needing more. This is an iconic and historical match up. It just deserved to be this grand and epic in scale. There's lightning strikes, water droplets on the camera, lens flares and Amazing cinematography. When watching it, please appreciate the camera shots and angles! It might be what I'm most proud of. You can pause any of 38,000 frames and it'll look incredible. I would know, I've gone through all of them a thousand times. I do think towards the end, the fight kind of jumps the shark...it goes on for a long time, I can admit I overcooked it. There's about 20 seconds that need a lot of touching up... and as you know, there's none of their iconic tool kits..i do regret that, in some ways, but but a desperate fist fight is also exciting in it's own way. It was also important to me to check all the boxes. I couldn't go half way with it. In terms of my favorite parts, I think the indoor round 1 might be my favorite, but I go back and forth...the fight keeps building and it's not meant to ever get boring, something new keeps happening...not to spoil too much, but there's more interaction with the room and environment around them during round 1. When they fight outdoors, it's a flat, barren, rooftop and there's not much they could interact with. They just relentlessly beat the shit out of each other in the finale. I sort of feel like something is missing there, but I know people will be glued to the screen as the fight is about to have a winner. The heel pin is one of the many iconic moments in this fight. Even though it's a short 15 minute animation, I still want these epic shots, and "famous" moments in the fight. While Selina has her pinned, she throws out a sassy and cliche remark, I'm sure you can guess what it is. But I was proud of the dialogue, and banter, it's not perfect, but it adds an extra layer, cause there's great sexual tension, and chemistry between those two. I'm going back home In a few weeks and I'm so excited to publish this when it's done! Thanks again for everything, my Friend
@@monstermash1571 You’re welcome! You’re excitement has equally made me as excited as you to finally see the project come to life. The idea bouncing we’ve had also really solidified the potential of this fight. Even if not every idea can come true, the dynamic of a flirty, confident and snarky Selina clashing with a cunning, manipulative and equally snarky Nat is sure to come to life. The more I think about it, I like the idea of the beginning of the confrontation being more of a chase than a direct fight. Not only does it pad out the run time, it escalates the fight in a nice way that makes the rise of the fight all the more raw and rewarding. It also helps that it characterizes the fight in a bit of a more realistic and character faithful way. Seeing Selina chose to avoid the fight initially and instead initiating a chase she could likely come out ahead of and using to her advantage to tire out Widow is very crafty and in character of her. What’s that they say about cornering a cat? Im excited to see how the finished product looks. The particle effects on the rain and glass must add an incredible amount of realism and tension in the fight. That’s not even touching on the thrill and the pin drop tension that the helicopter blades and headlights will bring upon the two. Every deadly head twisting kick that Selina lashes out, every deceivingly beautiful Black Widow hold that Natasha lands very well being the last move made on that roof top. I’m just amazed that the creativity and passion that’s being oozed onto every paragraph between us has made. I very much agree, a desperate fist fight between the two is all anyone could really hope for. I must imagine tho, if you could have included any of their signature weapons in this, which one would you have picked? Ex-Selina’s claws/Natasha’s gauntlets
@@monstermash1571 wow. The way you talk about your work is really something else. Not only do you seem like a great artist but overall a amazing person.
Life update: Hey Man, sorry its been so long since i've last written! I have been juggling a handful of things in life. I got my Vaccine booster a few days ago and I wanted to shoot myself, I was in so much pain. That plus, some deadlines for work, and Animation has been put on the backburner for a little bit. Animation completion update: At this point, I'm going through the most minute details. Going back to certain shots and just double-checking that the bottom eyelashes are where they are supposed to be. REALLY little things like that. I've done most of the reshoots that I wanted to do, actually. And in fact, I'm at the point where select people have actually SEEN the animation! I'm starting to send it out to people to start getting feedback, and its been overwhelmingly positive. I've shared the first 5 minutes with some fans, and people have loved it. Thankfully, I think most of the sound effects are done, I'm still tinkering with the music, but even that is pretty close to being done. Now I'm at a point where I'm just really taking a step back from the whole thing and I'm finally seeing the bigger picture, and each shot feels like the best It could be. I mean, even the most insignifcant seeming shots, took me as many as 9 or 10 takes. Either way, we all know the time and effort thats being put into this. Here's something I wanted to get your take on! There are some great lines of Dialouge that I wanted to include. There's a line that Selina may say to Natasha where she says "Shame, you're throwing away a valuable friendship". It's a great line and I think it paints a bit more of a history between Selina and Natasha, that they had so much in common, but has to be ignored bcause of their conflicitng interest. The only problem is, its clearly not Anne Hathaways voice, but I might inclue it anyway. I'd love to hear your thoughts Selina in TDKR doesn't get a ton of lines, so there are some that I've taken from the films, that might not fit in PERFECTLY, but I wanted to include as much as I could. I'm torn on including other voice acted lines from different properties. What do you think? Cause you bring up a good point, that the poll I have on my Patreon, its actually split down the middle. I made an important distinction though! I asked who do people WANT to see win, instead of who actually wins. Anyone I ask, casual or hardcore fans, all say that Black Widow wins. And going into this project, I knew that. However, a friend of mine did another poll and he has a much bigger audience, and I believe 82% of people said that Black Widow would win. I think with my animation, fans like flirting with the ideas of the "Heroine" loosing cause its just different. Its like a weird alternate ending. Now having said that, I like that idea that in this story, both Selina and Natasha operate in somewhat Grey areas. I guess this story takes place in 2010....Before the Dark Knight Rises...and After Ironman 2, which is an interesting thought. In this story, neither one is fully good or fully evil. I think they both have conflicting interets, which leads them to clash! I could see the animation hitting the web sometime next month! Easy. And I actually mean that!!! Either way Hope you've been well! Looking forward to hearing your breakdown with this project finally hits RUclips!
@@monstermash1571 Oh don’t go stressing about it then, I just like to pop in and ask stuff now and then. It’s more about thoughts that just come and go rather than just wanting for this to hurry up or anything lmao. Yeah that’s about what I’ve been kind of expecting. Animation can just be such a grueling progress that can make the animator such a perfectionist for all the right reasons. I mean yeah it’s easy enough to have a shot of Natasha kicking at the side of Selina’s ribs, it’s how you frame it to get the full impact of the meaty kick that really makes the blow look like it landed and winded her. Oh yeah, the dialogue is what I’m most excited for. I would really like to see you go for their voice lines from all of their mediums to do it some real justice. I actually have one that’s kinda perfect if you want it. I really like that line, just shows that Selina’s flirtatious nature is the one thing that can get under Natashas nerves to get some lucky licks in. Even that is surprising to be honest, Natasha is a fan favorite and she still is equally matched with Selina’s can reception. But I do agree, I do think that it’s a case of people just wanting to see a more surprising kind of end. It really does help that they’re both in a place where both of their skills are comparable and make for an incredibly fair fight.
Whats up, Buddy....I wanted to reach out to you and tell you, personally. Dude....I did it. It's finished. Black Widow vs Catwoman is finally finished. I believe I just saw the final version of the animation. I can't describe what that just felt like. But I think I just saw every version of every shot / edit I wanted to use. Grand total is looking like 14 and a half mintues long. Even though I've seen the animation over a thousand times, just now, I feel like I just saw the whole thing for the first time. Its truly surreal. I went through it and I realized more than half of the shots, I had to do more than once. Seeing it all play out in front of you was like watching a year of my life go by in a few mintues. I mean, you know how many countless hours I poured into this and there hasn't been anyone else I've discussed this with at length, as much as I have with you. Thank you again for your patience, you will be rewarded! In terms of an offical release date, I think its offically coming out February 18th or the 25th...I haven't decided. I think I'd like to set a premire ont he 25th and I'd love to watch it live for the first time with viewers! I think that would be such a great experience! Hope that works out. There's still a handful of nitpicks and some dialouge I'm thinking of cutting and just a handful of music and sound effects I want to add. But otherwise. I think we've got a final draft on our hands. I'm tempted to send this to you separately... although its basically done, I do want to just sit on it for a little longer and just really process what it is I'm about to share with the world. Either way' we're finally at the finish line. Thanks for all your kindness and support all this way. It went further than you know!
@@monstermash1571 Hey, man. That’s really great to hear! Must be incredible to see what you fully envisioned so long ago come to reality. I know for a fact that it’s going to be really surreal for me, I’ve been thinking about this since TDKR and IM2 have come out. Thanks for that, I for know for sure that if I had half your skills, I would come up with something similar in terms of choreography and story because of how similar our views on this are. I’m just eager to see it come. I would like an earlier release date but I’ve waited this long, it won’t kill me to wait a little longer. The only thing I’d like is maybe just one or two extra shots of the fight on Patreon. I’m rooting for my girl Nat, but she could use some humbling and be battered around for a fight by an equally feisty femme fatale. You’re free to send it to me separately but only do it if you are for sure confident in doing so.
Black Widow vs Catwoman Teaser: One Year Later: Hey Guys, I wanted to write on the anniversary of this video! The Release date is next Friday! Buckle Up, and mark your calendars, and watch it live with me! It’s going to be an awesome ride! Thank you so much for the year of patience you guys had. I can’t tell you how many late nights I spent working on this. There were so many times I wanted to quit. When my renders were crashing after 8 or 12 frames, I didn’t think it was possible. But guys, you gotta keep pushing, if you want something in life, go get it. This animation will stand as my greatest artistic achievement. This project is truly my heart and soul, so please enjoy and be respectful! This animation is made, trying to please as many people as possible. It was foolish of me to think this project would of taken less than a year, and I do apologize for all the delays…but we’re finally at the finish line boys. I have written an authors note, for those curious to know more about my motivations and vision. You can find that for free on my Patreon, if you’re curious. See you guys next week
@@monstermash1571 Did you have a special version of Black Widow in mind that is tackling this fight? Like in your mind, if this fight was cannon. At what point in their lives are they fighting one another? (Selina after the TDKR, or Black Widow before IM2 as an example)
@@raymondrmrz0244 another good question! I actually answer your last question with a pretty long paragraph but I guess it was never sent. I suppose this would be somewhere after Ironman 2 but before the Avengers and for Catwoman this is I guess before The Dark Knight Rises in the eight years were bad man was missing an action. I think was most important is that hypothetically these two are evenly matched at this point.
@@monstermash1571 How many scenarios did you go through for this fight? I recall you saying Catwoman is the protagonist but also the bad guy of the story. Did you ever have some other scenarios prior to this? Like Catwoman robbing Avengers tower; only to be intercepted by Natasha
@@raymondrmrz0244 Yeah, another great question. Its fun going back and forth with you. You should find me on Discord it might be easier to conitnue this conversation there. @MonstermashGraveyardSmash. I should be easy to find. Yeah, so although this idea has been cooking in my mind for a decade, I never really had a concrete scenario / story set up. Even now with the animation, I had to work wiht what I had. Early concepts of the animation, the fight was supposed to take place on a Shield Helicarrier, during Sunset. Thought that could of been cool, but it was too difficult to get the models and enviorments and so on. I do think in a PERFECT world, there'd be more of a story to this. I imagine the avengers send Natasha to intercept Catwoman from stealing something important. Natasha tells the boys to enjoy the show and she goes in confiently. The Avengers assure her that the place has cameras and they'll be watching. Black Widow goes in confidently, but finds herself strugglign more than she anticipated. The Avengers might urge her to pull back, but determined she continues the fight. Even whe nthe odds aren't on her side. That set up frames Natasha as more of the protagonsit and given the struggle she faces, I think it adds more drama to the fight. I wish I could bring it to life, to that extent, but I think its too difficult to really conjour a story that elaborate. Unfortunatley, I do ask the audeince to fill in a ton of the gaps for the context surrounding the fight, becuase theres only so much I can do.
Hey buddy, I really liked your last comment. Glad we're starting a new thread on this comment. I was hit with a wave of Somberness when I realized you thought it was coming out soon, ( In terms of March of earlier this year ). I remember back in December, last year, it took me months to finally get started. Getting everything into position, finalizing the character models, environment, and lighting. I was so nervous to start, I put it off for months. Wow, crazy to think how long this has been cooking. I can't tell you how many ridiculously late hours I spent working on this over the last 11 months, and how much I've lived through on an emotional level. Its not an exaggeration to say this project is the driving force in my life right now. Just to overshare for a moment, I'm in the middle of switching jobs and I have 3 weeks to myself to make progress! I'm hoping to get the majority of it done by mid-November. Then finishing touches for a few weeks then the release date will be in Early December. But yes, I confidently say this is going to truly be an epic masterpiece. Just 10 minutes of these characters, being these characters, and us enjoying them for what could be the best representation of their outing. You had a suggestion last time that I thought was brilliant. There is distinctly a bit when Natasha stays calm and confident and Selina can't keep her cool. You hear her frustration as her moves become more desperate and violent. I did that solely because of your suggestion and I think it works very well. I think you know this, but I do animate at 60 frames per second, and so many things on screen are moving at once. Helicopters fly in, and they both have dual propellers, and of course there's the rain, the light-emitting from the choppers, police cars have to roll in the lights from the siren have to be keyframed. All this shit happens SIXTY TIMES a second! Needless to say... it's a lot of work and I took up a pretty insane challenge. To answer your most recent question, I'm thinking of putting the dialogue in CC' 'd so non-English speakers can also read along and if there are any lines they can't catch, they can be read below. This isn't as dialogue-heavy as I would have liked but the instances where there are verbal exchanges all serve a great purpose. Alright, now with all the said *Cracks Knuckles* Let's get back to work!! Best!!
@@monstermash1571 Oh I can only imagine the amount of hours that you have poured onto this. Despite our conversation, animation remains to still be a pretty new subject to me that I honestly can’t fully grasp. It all feels so time consuming and complicated that part of me might not even want to know at this point. Hey, that’s really great man! I’d say to just up and enjoy that free time and make sure you work on this only when you feel like you want too. I’ve waited this long, what’s another two months anyways? I’m sure you’re viewers will appreciate this whenever this comes put; I surely will. Oh, thanks! I’ve spitballed a lot of suggestions onto this fight and I’m glad even one thing managed to wiggle it’s way onto the animation. That idea is probably up there on one of my favorite ones that I’ve thought up. It’s probably tied with the imagery of Selina’s Cheshire like grin being spread across her face at the sight of a (seemingly) defeated Widow weakly swaying on her feet back and forth. The idea of Widow letting herself be toyed and battered to just finish getting the leg up when it really matters is just so amusing to me. Awesome. Dialogue is sure to make this a lot more engaging and fun, especially when it comes down to the final quips before the hard out knockout that follows.
Hahaha, hey there, my friend. I didn't forget to answer, it's a really beautiful question and I tried thinking of a good answer. as it warrants a detailed response.I'm answering this after spending about 8 hours working on it today, so it'll be nice to reflect on this with you. It's tough to say, what my favorite part has been. I just completed my 211th shot of the Animation and each and every single one, was a day of my life, each one took multiple attempts and each one was handled with so much care. I promise you, nothing in this animation came easy...As for my favorite sequence...It's hard to say...But I think it's the chase in the rain. That was the moment, I knew that Black Widow vs Catwoman, wasn't going to be the 5-minute, short animation I envisioned, it was going to be something much bigger in scope, much more intense, and much more dramatic. The first time I completed the chase, I rewatched it hundreds of times. Each time I was impressed, taking in every single frame and choice I made. The music and sound effects, everything! Obviously, part of it, is what you see here in this video....and the foundation for it started way back in March! But when I more or less finished the chase scene and moved onto the final battle, seeing the chase in its entirety was truly something special. Being a 3D artist too, It was great because there was nothing I can't do. This fight scene is BIG and I mean, BIG. Glass shatters, Helicopters arrive on the scene, lightning strikes in the background, Police cars roll in, the environments change, the characters sweat, there's voice acting too! It's a pretty damn, cinematic experience. I have also very much enjoyed animating their final fight... At this point, now that I'm at the VERY CLIMAX, I have a YEAR more experience as a 3D artist than I did when I started, so I'm coming from much more wisdom, insight, and talent. That's why I think the ending is I found some great bits of voice acting and dialogue that fit just so damn well. Some of the edits and cuts feel REALLY natural and get a kick every time I see a certain scene. Right now I'm animating the final staredown between Selina and Natasha before one of them lands the finishing blow on the other. I have pictured this moment in my head for almost a year, and I'm finally at its doorstep. It's an amazing feeling, having the vision, then getting the lights and camera in position. Lining up the shot, and thinking to yourself "Yeah, that's it. That's the angle, that's the motion capture, that's it!" It's indescribable having these visions come to life. I want you to know that I'm VERY close to the ending. I think the fight will be over in the next 30 seconds, and to give you an idea I got 7 seconds done today. So I'm geared up to have this be done in a little bit. Beyond excited to finally put this project behind me. Nothing would make me happier than uploading this to RUclips, tons of people love it and I can rest knowing these characters had a great, fan-made send-off. That to me....is what its all about. I'm really excited to hear your breakdown and analysis of the animation once it's finished! It wont be long now, my friend.
Now, why would I want to spoil that? ;) But good question! Please think about this...I'm using the likenes of two beloved and amazing American actors, who I have tremendous respect for. Why woud I want ot murder them at the end of the animation? Its already weird that I've gone this far. I think feels just a little goulish to just kill one of them. I mean, the point of these aniamtions isn't to kill women...I don't really feel great about doing that and theres nothing "sexy" about that, at least in my eyes. I know pepolpe are going to bitch me out over the ending no matter what I do. And the viewer isn't meant to "Dislike" the video just cause the person they were rooting for lost, or it didn't end in the way you wanted it to. Theres no way to please everyone in this, so I'm just gonna have to stick to my gut on this. I considered doing two alternate endings....just in an attempt to please everyone, and if theres demand for that, then I'm considering it....sorry, long winded answer to your question. The point is, it hasn't been animated yet and my mind could change, but I think I have a unique and surprising ending in mind that feels right to me. I can only hope you guys feel the same way. What do you want to see and why? Happy to bounce ideas around!
@@monstermash1571 Yeah I find death in these things gratuitous as well. I just wanted to know if this was death battle thing like the other show. As for what I wanna see, not much really. I’d like to see Black Widow win, but only managing to pull off the win after a real bad beat down from Selina that she comes back from. Selina has a tendency to play around with her opponent, so seeing that be her downfall would be nice. Like she just teases Natasha by leaning in for a kiss but then doing a backflip and kicking her chin and sending her reeling back. Natasha should definitely snag the win, though in my opinion.
@@raymondrmrz0244 Awesome!! I really like your take! I won't spoil anything, but I think you'll be pleased when this one comes out haha...Based on what you said, and the conversations I've had around this, we all are on the same page of what a Catwoman / Black widow fight could and should look like. It's going to start off with them sizing each other up, but as the fight goes on it becomes more intense as, they each become more desperate to win. Their fight should be acrobatic, raw, and heart pounding. This animation is going to be what I think we all want to see. Although the end is up in the air, there will be a definitive winner...not saying who. I'm working on it as we speak....even though I can't seem to go more than half a second of rendering before blender crashes....speaking of death, this makes me want to blow my brains out.
@@monstermash1571 Yeah, definitely. Black Widow just feels like she should come out on top for me, not even as an accuracy kinda thing but it just feels like a natural outcome in a fight between these two. I’d like to see it be close, though. Catwoman should fight dirtier, but Natasha fights smarter. Like Selina just has Natasha on the ropes after a deadly combo of slashes and kicks that leaves her in a mortal kombat-readytobefatalitied daze. But Selina just can’t help it and she just tries to humiliate Natasha by caressing her face and head butting her. Natasha was waiting for this, though and knows that luring her into a false victory would end this in a quick manner. So then she turns the tables and gets her with a quick punch that sets her up for a bombardment of punches and kicks that just leave Selina sprawled on the floor. Natasha can can even turn the roles and just softly heel her crotch to get her to groan and blowing a kiss before using that foot to knock her out with a swift quick. That sucks to her, but hey that’s four minutes off the to do list at least. Hope you meet your deadline, I can tell this is a passion for you,-sucks you can’t fully enjoy it😅
@@raymondrmrz0244 ohh, look at you go! Where were you months ago?! We could of written the script for this together! Haha, I agree, Selina tends to fight dirtier. Some of her hits are lucky, and she might get a burst of adrenaline if and when circumstance calls for it. But there's no doubt that widow is the better fighter. I get what you're saying that it feels right that Widow wins, but doesn't Black widow win everything? Maybe it'll be exciting seeing her lose for once...who knows. (; . I'll say this. The story kind of follows Catwoman, but she's also the villain in this video, you should feel a mix of emotions watching this. I want you to feel conflicted, surprised and enticed! Animating is and can be a ton of fun when things are working! Either way, no one else was going to make this, and someone has to do it! (;
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Hey there, friend. nice hearing from you as always. Yes, Happy to say progress is going well! I think I've had my last creative block, the end is clearly in sight. I'm right up on the 6-minute mark, and 2 months ago, I was on the four-minute mark, so I'm looking at getting about a minute of footage per month. Given that the whole thing should hit around 7 minutes, I'd say it's safe to say it's one month away...Feels surreal to say that. It's gonna be weird when the day finally comes and I upload it to RUclips...Easily my crowning, artistic achievement. I'll tell you this though, in my room, I had all sorts of storyboards, scripts, and bullet points for things I wanted to happen in the climax. Turns out I surprised myself many times. Although the animation has taken 8 months, you'd be shocked if you saw how much was just decided on the fly, right there in the moment. But believe me, every choice feels right and for the better. I noticed patterns that allowed for subtle storytelling. How Selina positions herself when she's losing and how she tries to position herself for a cheap victory, as it's her only chance to live. So many things are going on, it's really great. There are times I step back and look at the big picture....I mean the REALLY big picture and I have my doubts and reservations...but overall, I'd say I'm proud of it...I sought out to do something...and I did it.
@@monstermash1571 I’m kinda the same way too, to be honest. I’ve always had so many ideas if these two were to fight and ive let them be known in our previous dialogues. I want to see Nat win but seeing Her be teased and battered by Selina here and there is a bit of fun. Like I can already imagine the smile that would spread across Selina’s face if she managed to pin Nat to the ground. Did you ever struggle with getting the actresses’ likeness down?
@@raymondrmrz0244 Yeah its 5AM here and I've been working on the animation all night..... No exaggeration, and I'm just about to call it a day. I'll tell you though, I'm nervous about living up to expectations. And I'll tell you this now. when it finally comes out, it won't be perfect, by your standards or mine. I'll always wish I could of done more with this, but thats just the reality we have. I just wish I wasn't the only one who had this passion / drive. Graned, not everyone could comit to something like this, but this was just something that was never made by anyone before me, and I doubt would be afterwards....its a weird feeling. Thats why I want to do right by you, and others who are excited for this. Thats why I spend almost every minute of my free time working on it, people deserve this, and someone needed to make this. It's funny, cause I have to come back to this video each time we speak, and what the animation turned into comapred to how it started with what you're seeing above...they're in such different places. So much happened from that time and tonight. This project was really part of my life for a year. Because you mentioned the likeness of the actresses, I shared a photo on Patreon, check it out if you get the chance. All things considered, I did the best that I think anyone in my position could. Capturing their likeness was really important, cause thats half the fun. The character model I had for Selina looks pretty damn good, and so is Natasha's Widow. I'm glad they are equally detailed, and I go back and forth on which one I think is better. I'd say the jury is out. Also in terms of the winner/ending...I still have a fitting conclusion in mind....but nothing is set and stone till one of them throws THAT final move... I don't know if my mind will change just like it always has, but if I don't think of a better outcome before getting to the ending, I'll stick with. Hoping to make a bit more progess on it tomorrow! Catch you then
@@monstermash1571 Oh yeah, for sure. This would be a lot of fun to see in different forms from all different perspectives or even iterations of the characters. I can imagine that getting the models of the characters is already hard enough, but getting their mannerisms and likeness down would be exceptionally difficult if you didn’t have the talent or time. I’m excited regardless, seeing these two fight will be entertaining regardless. Oh, wow. I wasn’t aware that you still weren’t sure on who to win so far into production, I get the decisiveness in that decision, though. As much as I would love to see my girl Nat come out on top and finish her with a thigh grab into suplex, Selina is femme fatale that won’t make that easy. If she got lucky enough to leave her swaying in the wind, she would no doubt flaunt her around like a scarf and finish her off with a move of her choice.😅
@@monstermash1571 That’s good to hear! Hoping to see this fight that I have been thinking since 2012 come to life. It’s become obvious that BW would win as the franchise continued but starting from a point where they’re both around each other’s level is gonna be great. Hoping Black Widow pulls through, but I want to see her only barely scape through and get humbled
@@wa-bu3ke Well, I just checked and Black Widow vs Black Cat, is still very public, with 33,000 views...double check, its still out there. Black Cat vs the hot blonde I made that video private back in...June...I'm shocked people still ask about that one. I rewatched it recently and its so shitty, but glad people really took something away from it. Find me on Discord, I can send you a link to it so you can view it. Now, I don't want to sound like a douche, but just know, its is my channel and I can do what I want with my videos, just bare that in mind. Regardless, Black Widow vs Catwoman is going to be fucking epic!! Stay tuned! This one is going to seem like a feature film compared to those other two. Thanks for the....support...?
@@monstermash1571 Yeah I see it now. Just looked like one when I checked earlier. But your other BC video is great! It’s not bad. Idk why you say it’s bad. It has the best bust in your videos! (the double bust) Of course you can do what you want, that’s why I said PLEASE, lmfao
Amazing, I can't wait for the final product! Good job, buddy! \m/
I'm very excited for this! Can't wait for the full video.
Thank you so much for bearing with me! I can't describe how close it is. Honestly, another weekend or two and it's your guy's forever. I am excited, this animation is going to blow you away. I'm trying to hit the year anniversary for the release date. Stay tuned, March 18th is the goal!!
I read below that you are nearing the end and I’m really excited to see your hard work revealed! Congrats on the accomplishment!
Hey, Chris! Thank you so much for such an awesome comment. Yes at this moment the animation is about 10 minutes long of pure, uncut, action. I think this is something truly unique to RUclips. I can't imagine what the response is going to be like. I also can't tell you how much encouraging comments mean to content creators. Excited to see you guys when the video is finally published. It's looking like a December release date! Stay tuned
@@monstermash1571 can’t wait.
Yooo Chris, did you see it??
@@monstermash1571 Hey Mash, yes I did! I was actually hoping to watch the premiere but I was on a plane when it aired! Left your 82nd like I think, glad to see it has over 300 now. Sorry I didn't leave a comment before, but yes I loved it! Well done!
Quick Update Everyone! For new subscribers as well as people waiting in eager anticipation. I'm happy to say this video is going to knock it out of the park! I just crossed the 4-minute mark, which makes this my longest project to date! I expect this to be finished in the upcoming weeks, thanks again for your patience! We have something truly special in-store. If I may preface this, the reason this Catfight was made, is because I think these Female icons deserve to be evaluated through a new lens. I think both women were robbed of great, female adversaries, and thus as audience members, we never got to examine these icons under such a circumstance. I personally, don't care for the semantics of the fight, "Black Widow, would destroy Catwoman in seconds, it wouldn't even be close" I understand that sentiment, and I want to honor the characters as best as I can, but I also think its important to have high stakes in the reality I created. I want to surprise you, I want to entice you, I want your heart to race as this fight races towards its epic conclusion. Please go into it with an open mind and enjoy the show when it comes.
- MonsterMash
When will the video be posted？
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I want catwoman win
@@weijiancheng Be sure to go in with an open mind. This is just one fan made video. The point isn't to dislike the video if the person you are or are not rooting for wins or looses.
@@monstermash1571 I’m sure it’ll be great either way it goes
I can't wait for this video
So VERY very cool! and great news Black Widow 2020 is finally set for release May 7 2021. I cant wait :) 👍
When does your video come out？
Man,Black Widow really doesn't like cats
Which cat themed lady could she take down next? hmm
@@malalalalala2985 Let her get past this cat lady first lol
I know I'm late to this but this is awesome. Can't wait for the fight. It's gonna turn out great
I’m just so pumped to see the changing dynamics that will transpire throughout the fight. It’ll cool to see a confident and sultry Selina dominate parts of the fight as Natasha tries to regain the upperhand or Selina just growing more desperate as the fight goes on as Natasha effortlessly dances around her attacks.
Hey Buddy.....uh...so theres no easy way to say this...but, unfortuantley the animation is not coming out today. I'm writing to you personally to let you know. Believe me, I feel terrible saying that, and this was the forecast release date for a while, but I can't release it today. That said, the animtion is still 98% done. I told everyone on Patreon / Discord and they've seen screenshots and thankfully everyone is still very supportive, and I'm very thankful. Based on the feedback I've gotten from Discord, I know this animation means a lot to a lot of people, However, I did make a comitment to myself that this will be in the best possible shape before It's released into the world.
Some of the people on discord have seen the first 5 minutes of the animation and the feedback has been stellar. I think my favorite comment was someone saying "This animation is eseceitally everything we've all wanted to see." I was so careful to make this perfect. I thought long and hard about how to please as many people as possible with this.
Right there, what you comented, about the changign dyanmics, its all there in the animation. You, more than anyone I think truly capture what my vision was for this, and inadverntley I think yours will come to life as well, as we had such simialir ideas as we theroized on how this would go down. I'm sure you'll rewatch this, many, many times.
I just haven't had the chance to work on it in the last few weeks. I got myself into a bit of romantic trouble, haha, and that, on top of the state of the world, It just wouldn't even feel right uploading it around this time. Bare with me and to be fair, it hasn't even been a year since I released THIS video where I first announced it. So, hang tight. It's coming....
@@monstermash1571 Oh, don’t worry. As much as I wanna watch it, I can tell that it’s not on the list of priorities right now. Just make sure to put this in the back burner if you’re really not able to do it because of personal problems.
I’ve been loving what I’ve been seeing and talking with you about what this could shape up to be has really magnified that feeling. Is there any way that I could see the first five minutes? If possible?
@@monstermash1571 what’s your discord?
Or do I need to pay to be in it?
Hey
looks like another cat's about to get whooped by Black Widow! Can't wait!
At least catwoman lands on her feet can’t say the same for splatasha
Nat flopped ngl
@@ravensolos4076 Context dude, context.
@@_Spectrum_288 tf ym
@@ravensolos4076 Natasha chose to die in Endgame....
when for the full movie
Can we get a release date now?
Is your discord still active? Link doesn’t work for me
We started fresh, here's an invite!
discord.gg/nEcMbnnD
Chat with me @MonsterMashGraveyardSmash
I need the 4 digit code at the end of your name before i can send you a friend request (God I hate discord)
@@yarmen1268 2224!
Could you provide another link? The current one doesn’t work for me, and it doesn’t work when I try to send a friend request to MonstermashGraveyardSmash
Dude, the fact that you hit the 14 minute mark on this is crazy.
Yoo, I'm glad you reached out dude, I was going to write to you sooner, but I'm glad you had a chance to check Patreon.
So yes the animation is about 14 minutes long, with a cool bonus at the end...so we're looking at potentially, 15 minutes. I watched the whole thing on repeat for a few hours this morning. It has came along very well and I am proud of it.
I'm also working very hard on preserving the video quality when it finally hits RUclips, I want you guys to be able to see every bit of detail. Nothing should go unnoticed.
Id say it's still about 95% done but due to the holidays, plans bring cancelled, plus Omnicron, I just haven't been able to work on it. I don't need much more time, but I just haven't had a moment to breathe as this year ends.
Didn't think I'd be working on this in 2022, but here's to the new year.
Catch you on the flip side.
@@monstermash1571 Oh I check Patreon whenever I can, each frame has done nothing more than just solidify my excitement for this project. Thank you for being so patient and careful with your work, shows expert craftsmanship.
I’m just more blown away that you managed to keep the video length so big. I’d honestly lose my creativity and flow after like the five minute mark if it were in my less capable hands. I’ve written something similar with Black Canary/Catwoman and I was honestly done by the 12th paragraph.
Like you would think a fight between Selina and Nat without their signature weapons would just be a five minute tussle but this is proving to be a real slug fest between the two.
Did you have a particular moment that just blew you away once finally finished animating it?
I gotta say, that heel pin that Catwoman lands on Nat’s neck looks like it’s gonna just end in an endless amount of sass from Selina’s end.
@@raymondrmrz0244 dude, I just want to say thank you...as you commend my hard work, I equally want to say thank you for your support, kind words, and excitement! It's motivating and I want to make you proud. As we get close to the end, it's you who I've been able to bounce ideas off of all this time. Thanks for being there, I mean it.
Looking at the comments on this video of everyone saying they can't wait, is humbling but it's also heartbreaking that it's all from 9 and 10 months ago. I truly appreciate the support over all this time, from all of you.
Yeah, 14 minutes of action was...a lot ..but you'll see how much work went into each shot. All 250 shots look better than those 5 seconds you see up there! ☝️this whole thing truly feels like a short film brought to life.
Originally, it was meant to be 5 minutes long, but while working on it, it just kept needing more. This is an iconic and historical match up. It just deserved to be this grand and epic in scale. There's lightning strikes, water droplets on the camera, lens flares and Amazing cinematography. When watching it, please appreciate the camera shots and angles! It might be what I'm most proud of. You can pause any of 38,000 frames and it'll look incredible. I would know, I've gone through all of them a thousand times.
I do think towards the end, the fight kind of jumps the shark...it goes on for a long time, I can admit I overcooked it. There's about 20 seconds that need a lot of touching up... and as you know, there's none of their iconic tool kits..i do regret that, in some ways, but but a desperate fist fight is also exciting in it's own way. It was also important to me to check all the boxes. I couldn't go half way with it.
In terms of my favorite parts, I think the indoor round 1 might be my favorite, but I go back and forth...the fight keeps building and it's not meant to ever get boring, something new keeps happening...not to spoil too much, but there's more interaction with the room and environment around them during round 1. When they fight outdoors, it's a flat, barren, rooftop and there's not much they could interact with. They just relentlessly beat the shit out of each other in the finale. I sort of feel like something is missing there, but I know people will be glued to the screen as the fight is about to have a winner.
The heel pin is one of the many iconic moments in this fight. Even though it's a short 15 minute animation, I still want these epic shots, and "famous" moments in the fight. While Selina has her pinned, she throws out a sassy and cliche remark, I'm sure you can guess what it is. But I was proud of the dialogue, and banter, it's not perfect, but it adds an extra layer, cause there's great sexual tension, and chemistry between those two.
I'm going back home In a few weeks and I'm so excited to publish this when it's done! Thanks again for everything, my Friend
@@monstermash1571 You’re welcome! You’re excitement has equally made me as excited as you to finally see the project come to life. The idea bouncing we’ve had also really solidified the potential of this fight. Even if not every idea can come true, the dynamic of a flirty, confident and snarky Selina clashing with a cunning, manipulative and equally snarky Nat is sure to come to life.
The more I think about it, I like the idea of the beginning of the confrontation being more of a chase than a direct fight. Not only does it pad out the run time, it escalates the fight in a nice way that makes the rise of the fight all the more raw and rewarding. It also helps that it characterizes the fight in a bit of a more realistic and character faithful way. Seeing Selina chose to avoid the fight initially and instead initiating a chase she could likely come out ahead of and using to her advantage to tire out Widow is very crafty and in character of her. What’s that they say about cornering a cat?
Im excited to see how the finished product looks. The particle effects on the rain and glass must add an incredible amount of realism and tension in the fight. That’s not even touching on the thrill and the pin drop tension that the helicopter blades and headlights will bring upon the two. Every deadly head twisting kick that Selina lashes out, every deceivingly beautiful Black Widow hold that Natasha lands very well being the last move made on that roof top.
I’m just amazed that the creativity and passion that’s being oozed onto every paragraph between us has made. I very much agree, a desperate fist fight between the two is all anyone could really hope for.
I must imagine tho, if you could have included any of their signature weapons in this, which one would you have picked?
Ex-Selina’s claws/Natasha’s gauntlets
@@monstermash1571 wow. The way you talk about your work is really something else. Not only do you seem like a great artist but overall a amazing person.
Helicopter Pilot 1: Should we stop them?
Helicopter Pilot 2: No, let them fight...
It’s crazy how Selina has only had one movie and she’s tied in the voting poll with Natasha
Life update:
Hey Man, sorry its been so long since i've last written! I have been juggling a handful of things in life. I got my Vaccine booster a few days ago and I wanted to shoot myself, I was in so much pain. That plus, some deadlines for work, and Animation has been put on the backburner for a little bit.
Animation completion update:
At this point, I'm going through the most minute details. Going back to certain shots and just double-checking that the bottom eyelashes are where they are supposed to be. REALLY little things like that. I've done most of the reshoots that I wanted to do, actually. And in fact, I'm at the point where select people have actually SEEN the animation! I'm starting to send it out to people to start getting feedback, and its been overwhelmingly positive. I've shared the first 5 minutes with some fans, and people have loved it.
Thankfully, I think most of the sound effects are done, I'm still tinkering with the music, but even that is pretty close to being done. Now I'm at a point where I'm just really taking a step back from the whole thing and I'm finally seeing the bigger picture, and each shot feels like the best It could be. I mean, even the most insignifcant seeming shots, took me as many as 9 or 10 takes. Either way, we all know the time and effort thats being put into this.
Here's something I wanted to get your take on! There are some great lines of Dialouge that I wanted to include. There's a line that Selina may say to Natasha where she says "Shame, you're throwing away a valuable friendship". It's a great line and I think it paints a bit more of a history between Selina and Natasha, that they had so much in common, but has to be ignored bcause of their conflicitng interest. The only problem is, its clearly not Anne Hathaways voice, but I might inclue it anyway. I'd love to hear your thoughts
Selina in TDKR doesn't get a ton of lines, so there are some that I've taken from the films, that might not fit in PERFECTLY, but I wanted to include as much as I could. I'm torn on including other voice acted lines from different properties. What do you think?
Cause you bring up a good point, that the poll I have on my Patreon, its actually split down the middle. I made an important distinction though! I asked who do people WANT to see win, instead of who actually wins. Anyone I ask, casual or hardcore fans, all say that Black Widow wins. And going into this project, I knew that. However, a friend of mine did another poll and he has a much bigger audience, and I believe 82% of people said that Black Widow would win. I think with my animation, fans like flirting with the ideas of the "Heroine" loosing cause its just different. Its like a weird alternate ending. Now having said that, I like that idea that in this story, both Selina and Natasha operate in somewhat Grey areas. I guess this story takes place in 2010....Before the Dark Knight Rises...and After Ironman 2, which is an interesting thought. In this story, neither one is fully good or fully evil. I think they both have conflicting interets, which leads them to clash!
I could see the animation hitting the web sometime next month! Easy. And I actually mean that!!!
Either way Hope you've been well! Looking forward to hearing your breakdown with this project finally hits RUclips!
@@monstermash1571
Oh don’t go stressing about it then, I just like to pop in and ask stuff now and then. It’s more about thoughts that just come and go rather than just wanting for this to hurry up or anything lmao.
Yeah that’s about what I’ve been kind of expecting. Animation can just be such a grueling progress that can make the animator such a perfectionist for all the right reasons. I mean yeah it’s easy enough to have a shot of Natasha kicking at the side of Selina’s ribs, it’s how you frame it to get the full impact of the meaty kick that really makes the blow look like it landed and winded her.
Oh yeah, the dialogue is what I’m most excited for. I would really like to see you go for their voice lines from all of their mediums to do it some real justice. I actually have one that’s kinda perfect if you want it. I really like that line, just shows that Selina’s flirtatious nature is the one thing that can get under Natashas nerves to get some lucky licks in.
Even that is surprising to be honest, Natasha is a fan favorite and she still is equally matched with Selina’s can reception. But I do agree, I do think that it’s a case of people just wanting to see a more surprising kind of end. It really does help that they’re both in a place where both of their skills are comparable and make for an incredibly fair fight.
Whats up, Buddy....I wanted to reach out to you and tell you, personally. Dude....I did it. It's finished. Black Widow vs Catwoman is finally finished. I believe I just saw the final version of the animation. I can't describe what that just felt like. But I think I just saw every version of every shot / edit I wanted to use. Grand total is looking like 14 and a half mintues long. Even though I've seen the animation over a thousand times, just now, I feel like I just saw the whole thing for the first time. Its truly surreal. I went through it and I realized more than half of the shots, I had to do more than once. Seeing it all play out in front of you was like watching a year of my life go by in a few mintues. I mean, you know how many countless hours I poured into this and there hasn't been anyone else I've discussed this with at length, as much as I have with you. Thank you again for your patience, you will be rewarded!
In terms of an offical release date, I think its offically coming out February 18th or the 25th...I haven't decided. I think I'd like to set a premire ont he 25th and I'd love to watch it live for the first time with viewers! I think that would be such a great experience! Hope that works out.
There's still a handful of nitpicks and some dialouge I'm thinking of cutting and just a handful of music and sound effects I want to add. But otherwise. I think we've got a final draft on our hands.
I'm tempted to send this to you separately... although its basically done, I do want to just sit on it for a little longer and just really process what it is I'm about to share with the world.
Either way' we're finally at the finish line. Thanks for all your kindness and support all this way. It went further than you know!
@@monstermash1571 Hey, man. That’s really great to hear! Must be incredible to see what you fully envisioned so long ago come to reality. I know for a fact that it’s going to be really surreal for me, I’ve been thinking about this since TDKR and IM2 have come out. Thanks for that, I for know for sure that if I had half your skills, I would come up with something similar in terms of choreography and story because of how similar our views on this are.
I’m just eager to see it come. I would like an earlier release date but I’ve waited this long, it won’t kill me to wait a little longer. The only thing I’d like is maybe just one or two extra shots of the fight on Patreon. I’m rooting for my girl Nat, but she could use some humbling and be battered around for a fight by an equally feisty femme fatale.
You’re free to send it to me separately but only do it if you are for sure confident in doing so.
Black Widow vs Catwoman Teaser: One Year Later:
Hey Guys, I wanted to write on the anniversary of this video! The Release date is next Friday! Buckle Up, and mark your calendars, and watch it live with me! It’s going to be an awesome ride!
Thank you so much for the year of patience you guys had. I can’t tell you how many late nights I spent working on this. There were so many times I wanted to quit. When my renders were crashing after 8 or 12 frames, I didn’t think it was possible. But guys, you gotta keep pushing, if you want something in life, go get it. This animation will stand as my greatest artistic achievement.
This project is truly my heart and soul, so please enjoy and be respectful! This animation is made, trying to please as many people as possible. It was foolish of me to think this project would of taken less than a year, and I do apologize for all the delays…but we’re finally at the finish line boys.
I have written an authors note, for those curious to know more about my motivations and vision. You can find that for free on my Patreon, if you’re curious.
See you guys next week
Next Friday… 3/25?
@@barabara_kenshi yup, it' looking like it, my friend.... seriously, you better like the video and leave a kind comment (;
Wow this is awesome! I guess Black Widow moved onto the next round since Black Cat* lost
Is this new vid coming on your YT channel?
It's coming out here at the end of the month! See you soon!!
Why is it in a short teaser?
How long have you been planning on making this a matchup?
10 years and counting (;
@@monstermash1571 Did you have a special version of Black Widow in mind that is tackling this fight? Like in your mind, if this fight was cannon. At what point in their lives are they fighting one another?
(Selina after the TDKR, or Black Widow before IM2 as an example)
@@raymondrmrz0244 another good question! I actually answer your last question with a pretty long paragraph but I guess it was never sent. I suppose this would be somewhere after Ironman 2 but before the Avengers and for Catwoman this is I guess before The Dark Knight Rises in the eight years were bad man was missing an action. I think was most important is that hypothetically these two are evenly matched at this point.
@@monstermash1571 How many scenarios did you go through for this fight? I recall you saying Catwoman is the protagonist but also the bad guy of the story. Did you ever have some other scenarios prior to this? Like Catwoman robbing Avengers tower; only to be intercepted by Natasha
@@raymondrmrz0244 Yeah, another great question. Its fun going back and forth with you. You should find me on Discord it might be easier to conitnue this conversation there. @MonstermashGraveyardSmash. I should be easy to find.
Yeah, so although this idea has been cooking in my mind for a decade, I never really had a concrete scenario / story set up. Even now with the animation, I had to work wiht what I had. Early concepts of the animation, the fight was supposed to take place on a Shield Helicarrier, during Sunset. Thought that could of been cool, but it was too difficult to get the models and enviorments and so on. I do think in a PERFECT world, there'd be more of a story to this. I imagine the avengers send Natasha to intercept Catwoman from stealing something important. Natasha tells the boys to enjoy the show and she goes in confiently. The Avengers assure her that the place has cameras and they'll be watching. Black Widow goes in confidently, but finds herself strugglign more than she anticipated. The Avengers might urge her to pull back, but determined she continues the fight. Even whe nthe odds aren't on her side. That set up frames Natasha as more of the protagonsit and given the struggle she faces, I think it adds more drama to the fight. I wish I could bring it to life, to that extent, but I think its too difficult to really conjour a story that elaborate. Unfortunatley, I do ask the audeince to fill in a ton of the gaps for the context surrounding the fight, becuase theres only so much I can do.
Can’t wait
Im exited
Have you thought of adding dialogue onto the description or anything?
Hey buddy, I really liked your last comment. Glad we're starting a new thread on this comment. I was hit with a wave of Somberness when I realized you thought it was coming out soon, ( In terms of March of earlier this year ). I remember back in December, last year, it took me months to finally get started. Getting everything into position, finalizing the character models, environment, and lighting. I was so nervous to start, I put it off for months. Wow, crazy to think how long this has been cooking. I can't tell you how many ridiculously late hours I spent working on this over the last 11 months, and how much I've lived through on an emotional level. Its not an exaggeration to say this project is the driving force in my life right now.
Just to overshare for a moment, I'm in the middle of switching jobs and I have 3 weeks to myself to make progress! I'm hoping to get the majority of it done by mid-November. Then finishing touches for a few weeks then the release date will be in Early December. But yes, I confidently say this is going to truly be an epic masterpiece. Just 10 minutes of these characters, being these characters, and us enjoying them for what could be the best representation of their outing.
You had a suggestion last time that I thought was brilliant. There is distinctly a bit when Natasha stays calm and confident and Selina can't keep her cool. You hear her frustration as her moves become more desperate and violent. I did that solely because of your suggestion and I think it works very well.
I think you know this, but I do animate at 60 frames per second, and so many things on screen are moving at once. Helicopters fly in, and they both have dual propellers, and of course there's the rain, the light-emitting from the choppers, police cars have to roll in the lights from the siren have to be keyframed. All this shit happens SIXTY TIMES a second! Needless to say... it's a lot of work and I took up a pretty insane challenge. To answer your most recent question, I'm thinking of putting the dialogue in CC' 'd so non-English speakers can also read along and if there are any lines they can't catch, they can be read below. This isn't as dialogue-heavy as I would have liked but the instances where there are verbal exchanges all serve a great purpose. Alright, now with all the said *Cracks Knuckles* Let's get back to work!!
Best!!
@@monstermash1571 Oh I can only imagine the amount of hours that you have poured onto this. Despite our conversation, animation remains to still be a pretty new subject to me that I honestly can’t fully grasp. It all feels so time consuming and complicated that part of me might not even want to know at this point.
Hey, that’s really great man! I’d say to just up and enjoy that free time and make sure you work on this only when you feel like you want too. I’ve waited this long, what’s another two months anyways? I’m sure you’re viewers will appreciate this whenever this comes put; I surely will.
Oh, thanks! I’ve spitballed a lot of suggestions onto this fight and I’m glad even one thing managed to wiggle it’s way onto the animation. That idea is probably up there on one of my favorite ones that I’ve thought up. It’s probably tied with the imagery of Selina’s Cheshire like grin being spread across her face at the sight of a (seemingly) defeated Widow weakly swaying on her feet back and forth. The idea of Widow letting herself be toyed and battered to just finish getting the leg up when it really matters is just so amusing to me.
Awesome. Dialogue is sure to make this a lot more engaging and fun, especially when it comes down to the final quips before the hard out knockout that follows.
@@monstermash1571 do you have a favorite moment and what did you have to go through to accomplish it?
@@monstermash1571 My bad if I’m bothering you but I think you forgot to answer the question 😅
Don’t answer it if it’s too spoilery or anything
Hahaha, hey there, my friend. I didn't forget to answer, it's a really beautiful question and I tried thinking of a good answer. as it warrants a detailed response.I'm answering this after spending about 8 hours working on it today, so it'll be nice to reflect on this with you. It's tough to say, what my favorite part has been. I just completed my 211th shot of the Animation and each and every single one, was a day of my life, each one took multiple attempts and each one was handled with so much care. I promise you, nothing in this animation came easy...As for my favorite sequence...It's hard to say...But I think it's the chase in the rain. That was the moment, I knew that Black Widow vs Catwoman, wasn't going to be the 5-minute, short animation I envisioned, it was going to be something much bigger in scope, much more intense, and much more dramatic. The first time I completed the chase, I rewatched it hundreds of times. Each time I was impressed, taking in every single frame and choice I made. The music and sound effects, everything! Obviously, part of it, is what you see here in this video....and the foundation for it started way back in March! But when I more or less finished the chase scene and moved onto the final battle, seeing the chase in its entirety was truly something special. Being a 3D artist too, It was great because there was nothing I can't do. This fight scene is BIG and I mean, BIG. Glass shatters, Helicopters arrive on the scene, lightning strikes in the background, Police cars roll in, the environments change, the characters sweat, there's voice acting too! It's a pretty damn, cinematic experience.
I have also very much enjoyed animating their final fight... At this point, now that I'm at the VERY CLIMAX, I have a YEAR more experience as a 3D artist than I did when I started, so I'm coming from much more wisdom, insight, and talent. That's why I think the ending is I found some great bits of voice acting and dialogue that fit just so damn well. Some of the edits and cuts feel REALLY natural and get a kick every time I see a certain scene. Right now I'm animating the final staredown between Selina and Natasha before one of them lands the finishing blow on the other. I have pictured this moment in my head for almost a year, and I'm finally at its doorstep. It's an amazing feeling, having the vision, then getting the lights and camera in position. Lining up the shot, and thinking to yourself "Yeah, that's it. That's the angle, that's the motion capture, that's it!" It's indescribable having these visions come to life. I want you to know that I'm VERY close to the ending. I think the fight will be over in the next 30 seconds, and to give you an idea I got 7 seconds done today. So I'm geared up to have this be done in a little bit. Beyond excited to finally put this project behind me. Nothing would make me happier than uploading this to RUclips, tons of people love it and I can rest knowing these characters had a great, fan-made send-off. That to me....is what its all about. I'm really excited to hear your breakdown and analysis of the animation once it's finished! It wont be long now, my friend.
When is the full video coming out
March 25th
Will the battle end in a death or knockout?
Now, why would I want to spoil that? ;) But good question! Please think about this...I'm using the likenes of two beloved and amazing American actors, who I have tremendous respect for. Why woud I want ot murder them at the end of the animation? Its already weird that I've gone this far. I think feels just a little goulish to just kill one of them. I mean, the point of these aniamtions isn't to kill women...I don't really feel great about doing that and theres nothing "sexy" about that, at least in my eyes. I know pepolpe are going to bitch me out over the ending no matter what I do. And the viewer isn't meant to "Dislike" the video just cause the person they were rooting for lost, or it didn't end in the way you wanted it to. Theres no way to please everyone in this, so I'm just gonna have to stick to my gut on this. I considered doing two alternate endings....just in an attempt to please everyone, and if theres demand for that, then I'm considering it....sorry, long winded answer to your question. The point is, it hasn't been animated yet and my mind could change, but I think I have a unique and surprising ending in mind that feels right to me. I can only hope you guys feel the same way. What do you want to see and why? Happy to bounce ideas around!
@@monstermash1571 Yeah I find death in these things gratuitous as well. I just wanted to know if this was death battle thing like the other show. As for what I wanna see, not much really. I’d like to see Black Widow win, but only managing to pull off the win after a real bad beat down from Selina that she comes back from. Selina has a tendency to play around with her opponent, so seeing that be her downfall would be nice. Like she just teases Natasha by leaning in for a kiss but then doing a backflip and kicking her chin and sending her reeling back. Natasha should definitely snag the win, though in my opinion.
@@raymondrmrz0244 Awesome!! I really like your take! I won't spoil anything, but I think you'll be pleased when this one comes out haha...Based on what you said, and the conversations I've had around this, we all are on the same page of what a Catwoman / Black widow fight could and should look like. It's going to start off with them sizing each other up, but as the fight goes on it becomes more intense as, they each become more desperate to win. Their fight should be acrobatic, raw, and heart pounding. This animation is going to be what I think we all want to see. Although the end is up in the air, there will be a definitive winner...not saying who. I'm working on it as we speak....even though I can't seem to go more than half a second of rendering before blender crashes....speaking of death, this makes me want to blow my brains out.
@@monstermash1571 Yeah, definitely. Black Widow just feels like she should come out on top for me, not even as an accuracy kinda thing but it just feels like a natural outcome in a fight between these two. I’d like to see it be close, though. Catwoman should fight dirtier, but Natasha fights smarter. Like Selina just has Natasha on the ropes after a deadly combo of slashes and kicks that leaves her in a mortal kombat-readytobefatalitied daze. But Selina just can’t help it and she just tries to humiliate Natasha by caressing her face and head butting her. Natasha was waiting for this, though and knows that luring her into a false victory would end this in a quick manner. So then she turns the tables and gets her with a quick punch that sets her up for a bombardment of punches and kicks that just leave Selina sprawled on the floor. Natasha can can even turn the roles and just softly heel her crotch to get her to groan and blowing a kiss before using that foot to knock her out with a swift quick.
That sucks to her, but hey that’s four minutes off the to do list at least. Hope you meet your deadline, I can tell this is a passion for you,-sucks you can’t fully enjoy it😅
@@raymondrmrz0244 ohh, look at you go! Where were you months ago?! We could of written the script for this together! Haha, I agree, Selina tends to fight dirtier. Some of her hits are lucky, and she might get a burst of adrenaline if and when circumstance calls for it. But there's no doubt that widow is the better fighter. I get what you're saying that it feels right that Widow wins, but doesn't Black widow win everything? Maybe it'll be exciting seeing her lose for once...who knows. (; . I'll say this. The story kind of follows Catwoman, but she's also the villain in this video, you should feel a mix of emotions watching this. I want you to feel conflicted, surprised and enticed!
Animating is and can be a ton of fun when things are working! Either way, no one else was going to make this, and someone has to do it! (;
Just wondering, would you be up for sending a new discord link to chat? Would definitely been down for chatting about this project.
You can find me at monetermash#2224 shoot me a message, I'd love to hear what you're most excited to see! Release date is next Friday!!
@@monstermash1571 can’t find you.
@@TommyMax88 You should be able to
🔥MonsterMash🔥#2224
if that doesn't work find me on our discord
discord.gg/z9hXb2SW
What happened to your othrr black cat video?
Gone....reduced to atoms
@@monstermash1571 where can i find it or is it just gone
Nice!
Comment below, who you think wins and how this fight could unfold!!
I'm hoping for Catwoman to get destroyed
Although a multiple ending things could be interesting for future vids
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Hope progress is going well
Hey there, friend. nice hearing from you as always. Yes, Happy to say progress is going well! I think I've had my last creative block, the end is clearly in sight. I'm right up on the 6-minute mark, and 2 months ago, I was on the four-minute mark, so I'm looking at getting about a minute of footage per month. Given that the whole thing should hit around 7 minutes, I'd say it's safe to say it's one month away...Feels surreal to say that. It's gonna be weird when the day finally comes and I upload it to RUclips...Easily my crowning, artistic achievement.
I'll tell you this though, in my room, I had all sorts of storyboards, scripts, and bullet points for things I wanted to happen in the climax. Turns out I surprised myself many times. Although the animation has taken 8 months, you'd be shocked if you saw how much was just decided on the fly, right there in the moment. But believe me, every choice feels right and for the better. I noticed patterns that allowed for subtle storytelling. How Selina positions herself when she's losing and how she tries to position herself for a cheap victory, as it's her only chance to live. So many things are going on, it's really great.
There are times I step back and look at the big picture....I mean the REALLY big picture and I have my doubts and reservations...but overall, I'd say I'm proud of it...I sought out to do something...and I did it.
@@monstermash1571 I’m kinda the same way too, to be honest. I’ve always had so many ideas if these two were to fight and ive let them be known in our previous dialogues. I want to see Nat win but seeing Her be teased and battered by Selina here and there is a bit of fun. Like I can already imagine the smile that would spread across Selina’s face if she managed to pin Nat to the ground.
Did you ever struggle with getting the actresses’ likeness down?
@@raymondrmrz0244 Yeah its 5AM here and I've been working on the animation all night..... No exaggeration, and I'm just about to call it a day. I'll tell you though, I'm nervous about living up to expectations. And I'll tell you this now. when it finally comes out, it won't be perfect, by your standards or mine. I'll always wish I could of done more with this, but thats just the reality we have. I just wish I wasn't the only one who had this passion / drive. Graned, not everyone could comit to something like this, but this was just something that was never made by anyone before me, and I doubt would be afterwards....its a weird feeling. Thats why I want to do right by you, and others who are excited for this. Thats why I spend almost every minute of my free time working on it, people deserve this, and someone needed to make this. It's funny, cause I have to come back to this video each time we speak, and what the animation turned into comapred to how it started with what you're seeing above...they're in such different places. So much happened from that time and tonight. This project was really part of my life for a year.
Because you mentioned the likeness of the actresses, I shared a photo on Patreon, check it out if you get the chance. All things considered, I did the best that I think anyone in my position could. Capturing their likeness was really important, cause thats half the fun. The character model I had for Selina looks pretty damn good, and so is Natasha's Widow. I'm glad they are equally detailed, and I go back and forth on which one I think is better. I'd say the jury is out.
Also in terms of the winner/ending...I still have a fitting conclusion in mind....but nothing is set and stone till one of them throws THAT final move... I don't know if my mind will change just like it always has, but if I don't think of a better outcome before getting to the ending, I'll stick with.
Hoping to make a bit more progess on it tomorrow! Catch you then
@@monstermash1571 Oh yeah, for sure. This would be a lot of fun to see in different forms from all different perspectives or even iterations of the characters.
I can imagine that getting the models of the characters is already hard enough, but getting their mannerisms and likeness down would be exceptionally difficult if you didn’t have the talent or time. I’m excited regardless, seeing these two fight will be entertaining regardless.
Oh, wow. I wasn’t aware that you still weren’t sure on who to win so far into production, I get the decisiveness in that decision, though. As much as I would love to see my girl Nat come out on top and finish her with a thigh grab into suplex, Selina is femme fatale that won’t make that easy. If she got lucky enough to leave her swaying in the wind, she would no doubt flaunt her around like a scarf and finish her off with a move of her choice.😅
@@monstermash1571 Did you have the most fun with the climax of the fight?
What have people that have seen it said?
Hey, @Raymondmrz 02, are you still out there, dude?
@@monstermash1571 yeah, what’s up
@@raymondrmrz0244 The release date is this Friday. Catch you then
@@monstermash1571 That’s good to hear! Hoping to see this fight that I have been thinking since 2012 come to life. It’s become obvious that BW would win as the franchise continued but starting from a point where they’re both around each other’s level is gonna be great. Hoping Black Widow pulls through, but I want to see her only barely scape through and get humbled
@@monstermash1571 you have anything to tease?
please stop deleting your old stuff
What old stuff are you referring to?
@@monstermash1571 the two Black Cat fighting videos
@@wa-bu3ke Well, I just checked and Black Widow vs Black Cat, is still very public, with 33,000 views...double check, its still out there. Black Cat vs the hot blonde I made that video private back in...June...I'm shocked people still ask about that one. I rewatched it recently and its so shitty, but glad people really took something away from it. Find me on Discord, I can send you a link to it so you can view it.
Now, I don't want to sound like a douche, but just know, its is my channel and I can do what I want with my videos, just bare that in mind. Regardless, Black Widow vs Catwoman is going to be fucking epic!! Stay tuned! This one is going to seem like a feature film compared to those other two.
Thanks for the....support...?
@@monstermash1571 Yeah I see it now. Just looked like one when I checked earlier. But your other BC video is great! It’s not bad. Idk why you say it’s bad. It has the best bust in your videos! (the double bust) Of course you can do what you want, that’s why I said PLEASE, lmfao