I don't think I've worn this much blush since 2009 😅 no matter how accurately i recreated her makeup look, our bone structure is so v different. What do you think of this whole situation?
I just discovered your channel with this video, really appreciate your commentary!!!!! also I love your makeup, you're so pretty, this shade of blue/lavender is everything on you 🥺🩵🩵
@@The_Late_Great_Hannibal_Lecterpeople made fun of that person. Looking back, that was probably the most level headed one. We'd gotten so comfortable with bullying young female popstars and socialites at the time that paparazzi were literally counting the seconds for the next one to "snap".
Like why aren't male musicians as criticized as female musicians? Why aren't they being told to rap about fatherhood or to be hushed when showing their sexuality, talking about having sex with if age (or underage) women (and girls)?
Snoop Dogg had the nerve to criticize 'WAP' for being too explicit...I'm familiar enough with his work to know he needs to shut up. Male rappers are such hypocrites.
the only artists who been ripped were black male artists who "acted feminine" like Michael Jackson, Prince, Nas X, Little Richard, and Smokin Jay Hawkins Of course it's definitely not only racist but homophobic I fully agree about the type of hip-hop Snoop was a part of As someone who listened that era of rap, I'll say this, Sean Combs getting arrested for sex trafficking and grape isn't shocking when you hear the lyrics he and other artists like, Jay-Z, Dr Dre, the late Biggie and Sean spoke about in their songs Just like R.Kelly So other fans who acted shocked at both Robert Kelly and Sean Combs being arrested are delusional
@@suga1180 This is bait, isn’t it? There is a huge problem with male role models right now and has been for years. The way influencers like Andrew Tate or Sneako encourage young boys to view themselves and women is incredibly damaging, to say the least. Young boys are constantly forced to be “macho men,” both in their communities and online. And at a very young age, boys are encouraged to value women based on arbitrary qualities, such as attractiveness or a preconceived idea of feminity. There’s also a huge emphasis on equaling material goods to self-worth. And many dudes that aren’t necessarily in the redpill sphere, like Logan Paul, encourage similar behaviors in their own way. These guys were probably taught similarly. But instead of breaking the cycle, they continue it. There’s also something that has to be said for the male role models of my generation. My generation was one of the first when internet influencers gained somewhat of a mini celebrity status. We also had the Pauls, and many other problematic people. Shane Dawson, Idubbz, Filthy Frank, DieselPatches. While none of these people probably intended to make videos for a kid audience, they reached us nonetheless. I’ll never forget how much of an influence Idubbz, in particular, had on my classmates. I always avoided him, so it was only later I learned of his notoriety. The Tana situation especially reflects bad on him. I think he began to realize how impressionable his audience was, how young they were, when he did meet ups. Unfortunately, I fell more down the DieselPatches pipeline, where he would kind of disguise his videos as “non political,” and sprinkle some very right-leaning views, and was especially scrutinizing towards women. I’m sorry for writing a whole essay on this subject, but as someone who has been negatively affected by poor male role models, both directly and indirectly, I had a lot to say.
Sabrina has stopped being a teen idol for years so what do people expect from her? She isn't going to sing teen bops anymore. She is a grown adult singing about grown adult themes. Similarly with Olivia Rodrigo, she isn't meant for children, she is meant for teens. She is a teen idol singing about teen messages and she will soon start to sing about adult themes in her next album. What do you expect them to sing about, the alphabet????
as a mom of a preteen, you can simply choose to steer them away from music you find inappropriate? you can also use it to open a dialogue about it. i love it when other people make their lack of communication with their kids everyone else's problem but also i was heavily into Spice Girls as a preteen and the innuendo was definitely over my head.
Your last paragraph, Exactly. Kids simply hear a catchy tune, see the bright colors & fun dancing, it's not sexual to kids because our minds simply don't register anything that way! Unless it's an encounter with someone we like, then that happens naturally, but pretty girls dancing & singing simply has no effect on children.
@@AngelinaThumbelina8I remember that when I was a kid I loved to watch the most sexual pop stars because they were extremely pretty and being proud of this.
Love seeing you taking responsibility over your parenting and the last paragraph is so true. I literally had no idea what Peaches and Cream really meant until I was in my teens-twenties.
Super correct!! like when I was a little girl, I saw the Spice Girls as these strong, fun, intelligent young women with cool & unique personalities & such fun camp in their aestetic & vibe. Their confidence and their direct-ness is what drew me to them...and it was way over my head the fact that the lot of them were in street hooker gear: short, shiny, tight dresses, garish makeup & hair, big boobs, midriffs, lingerie, pleaser stripper heels, latex & pleather, etc. The stuff that conservatives see that blatantly sexual srsly go over children's heads!! For real I did not realize until much later that most of their costumes were based off of drag queens, Dominatrix's, strippers, Penthouse pets, and Lolita cosplay 😅😂 love it tho! Never "damaged" me. I appreciated and still am obsessed with all of it!!
Exactly! Children won’t ever understand the innuendos. I listened to alottt of Rihanna songs as a kid and all of her innuendos flew over my head and i understood them like recently
These ladies aren't their mothers, and they certainly don't go around claiming to BE role models. They don't claim to be "for kids." It is not their fault others believe these women need to entertain their children??
Exactly. That's also been an issue. Parents seemingly feeling entitled to tell celebrities, especially women celebrities I need to do better for their children when it's not their job to be a babysitter. If that level of wilful obliviousness and entitlement that makes me sick. Why can't these parents keep an eye on their own kids and stop shifting responsibility onto everyone else ?
If you are a public figure you are a role model, period. These people are literally being given political platforms. They are being asked to sit down with the president of the United States on behalf of their community concerns in 2024. I’m exhausted with these people getting access to all this power just to dodge accountability.
@@evaphillips2102 Being a public figure does not at all make you a role model, I don’t know where you got that from. People choose whether they like someone or not, once someone’s popular why should they appeal to kids? It’s not their job and they have no reason to.
@@evaphillips2102 Their music aren’t even targeted towards children. They are given political platforms and speak on behalf of the adults their age. You can’t just shift all responsibilities onto these people. They are human being, not saint virgin mary. Not to mention these celebrities usually speaks for the rights of the minorities, actively engage in activism, and these parents just focus, what, their clothes?
Can someone explain to me why we encourage white blonde girls to act this way in music - and then they get attacked for it? And then I feel strongly that we do the same thing to black/latino women but in a more sinister way - they’re expected to do this and are attacked if they DON’T It’s not fair. Also I want Britney to finally get proper karma. I grew up in that era and she was harmless!!!! It is insane what she went through.
Yup and the Elvis pelvis thrust had racist undertones Like with most of Elvis' "art" he stole it from black artists including that move which was Chuck Berry's famous move ten years prior
Every clip I see of Britney being hounded about some innocuous crap, her responses are always so on point, calmly and clearly stating its not her job or desire to raise all children everywhere. But the interviewer always just bulldozed right over it, the point was never to have a conversation, it was to tell her off, indeed, control her
And if artists go the other way and dress more conservatively and don't explicitly sing about sex, like Taylor Swift, people call those artists boring and bland. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@iceunelleTaylor actually has sexual songs, I think it's just her style to hide it better. But she has been getting more and more explicit in her lyrics and more directly refference sex as she has gotten older. Songs like Dress, False God, I See You and Guilty as Sin are examples of song that are more direct. But a lot of her songs have reffetences. Lavender Haze has a line that can be interpited as tutching yourself while looking at the ceiling. So she is sexual, but she also loves being poetic so she is often less direct than Sabrina. I love both of them btw, I love how Sabrina owns her sexuality with her whole cheest. I also love how Taylor treats it more like her little secret, like you are not invited to her party, only her and her lover is 🤭
All these male musicians out here having sex with 15 year olds, but its the women celebrating their own sexuality with their grown partners that's the problem. Same story every day, and somehow people really think sexism doesn't exist anymore LMAO
Omg so true, they always act like women are crazy and entitled and unreasonable for wanting basic respect, and they say things like "why do we need feminism women already got what they want what do they want now??" I'm so sick and tired of this blatant sexism and gaslighting
So it's okay she told a stadium of teen girls to call themselves sluts for her? 🤔 Sabrina fans creepy NGL. LMAO. She started on DISNEY. Maybe don't be a stripper if you dance for 14 year olds. 🤷🏻♀️
@@void-moon shes no longer on disney nor has she targeted her content towards children or teens since leaving disney. yall gotta stop looking at her like a disney child when shes a 25 year old grown ass adult woman and recognize that the person who started on disney as a child GREW. UP.
I have to say - as a 27 year old black woman I deeply appreciate you and other white essayists that point of the differences between white and poc treatment on topics like this. It really does make me feel very validated and seen AND helps me understand more of the nuisances of white girlhood and womanhood in ways I literally had not really thought of before ❤
The best solution to parents being concerned that their kids are listening/ are fans of an artist that makes 'inappropriate' music is to do what my mom did during my katy perry hyperfixation when I was a 10-11 yr old. I was a huge Katy Perry fan as a kid, partly bc I had a little gay crush on her, but mostly bc her songs were catchy and (back then) her outfits and music videos were bright, colorful, and cute. (Much like Sabrina Carpenter) Then one summer I became OBSESSED with her song "peacock" bc I saw her preform the song while wearing a peacock stage outfit in her documentary about her world tour. I literally only liked the song bc it was very catchy and bc I thought her peacock costume was the coolest and most pretty thing in the world. Like obsessed to the point of the chorus becoming a vocal stim, drawing her peacock outfit, and spending hours watching her perform it on RUclips. I BEGGED my mom to let me buy the song on iTunes so I could blast it on my little iPod nano. our family's iTunes account was under my mom's name and card, plus she made sure to listen and check any songs her kids wanted to buy to make sure they were age-appropriate. So she listened to the song and realized to her horror that the song was basically an innuendo about Katy asking her male lover to show her his big penis. Hence the title of the song peaCOCK. that innuendo flew right over my little child head, and my mom could not find a "clean" version of the song anywhere. So what did my mom do? Go on a crusade against Katy Perry for being 'inappropriate' for children and setting a 'bad example' for her pre-teen child? Sent in complaints or demand Katy Perry changes her songs and style to be more suitable for children? No. What she did instead was she sat me down and calmly and kindly explained to me (in an age-appropriate manner) what the song was actually about and that it was an adult subject that wasn't appropriate for someone my age. Then after her educating me and answering my questions, she then told me that since I clearly just really liked the song bc it was catchy, that she'd let me have it on my iPod but under the condition that I couldn't sing it in public, and that I'd have to wait until I was older to go to a Katy Perry concert. I'm not a parent and I'm sure it's anything but easy or comfortable to have to explain certain topics to children, but at the end of the day, parents are the ones responsible for monitoring what media their child is consuming and it's their responsibility to make sure their kids are educated on certain topics when they come up or to restrict media they deem inappropriate and to educate their child on WHY it's inappropriate.
I don't have children so what do I know, but seriously, the world is in shambles, children see terrible things happening everywhere and Sabrina Carpenter is the hill parents are willing to die on?!? An artist that as you said, is not for children?? And if the kids love her because of her colourful aesthetic and catchy melodies is sort of you know, the parents job to explain IF the kids even notice that the lyrics are about grown up stuff. Pop stars don't have to raise your kids for you. Okay, rant over 😂 Ps: justice for Hellfire yes! One of if not the best Disney villain songs.
@@moderngoblin Well, I guess we have reached Utopia now that only tens of thousands die. You're right, the worst thing going on right now is sexy popstars. I stand corrected!
And like, she's not really doing anything scandalous here? Sabrina is literally just performing cheeky songs in lingerie. I went on a pop music live concert a couple weeks ago and the dancers were two buff topless men in ski masks making out and simulating going down on the singer on stage. That's the kinda stuff children shouldn't be exposed to (and I didn't see any underage people in the audience)
As someone who has been a child and helps raise children, watched them pick up drugs and fashions that they heard on a song, these singers need to be held accountable for what they promote. I’m tired. These kids aren’t paying attention to the conflict in Isreal they’re watching what Haley Baldwin is doing next.
I’m fifteen and most kids are introduced to pron as young as nine they should focus on that because kids are alr very familiar with what Sabrina is singing about
I can’t stand when shitty parents make their bad parenting everybody else’s problem because they refuse to take any responsibility for themselves. They made the poor decision to have a child, and now everybody else in the world has to accommodate and cater to them exclusively.
I can't stand it when shitty pop stars make their pornographic 'art' a child's problem because they refuse to take any responsibility for themselves and who they sell tickets to. They made the poor decision to indecently expose themselves and their pornographic live shows to children. And then they expect everyone else in the world to cater to them and not call them out on it.
Didn’t something similar happen with Olivia Rodrigo and parents finding her lyrics/performance style inappropriate? I feel like parents just choose a new celebrity figure to place blame on when it comes to raising their children
Pretty much. Because parents don't want to raise their children and they want to make celebrities the babysitters to their offspring... We're just highlights how entitled these oblivious parents are. These entertainers are not here to babysit your kids. You want to make sure your kids aren't watching something they're not supposed to, keep an eye on them yourself. Start being for more active parent and stop expecting everyone else, especially celebrities to babies at your children.
Honestly happens to all things pop culture. Magic the gathering, for example, was accused of promoting devil worship in the 90s Or popular cartoons being to violent I think parents have always looked for ways to push the responsibility of raising their children onto anyone or anything else
@@seeleunit2000 I mean, I often think it's not actual parents (at least not of young children), because it's the classic disingenuous rubbish people have been doing for decades; condemn anything new, or that doesn't fit into your narrative and pretend it's about protecting the kids. Same things happening with those book bannings, the people touring around the US to visit each school meeting aren't from the areas they're protesting at, they just have an agenda and are using "save the children" as a shield.
Yeah, I saw a comment on an Olivia concert short saying “I was going to take my niece to this but now that I know she uses profanity I won’t be taking her!” Like okay ma’am lmao
As someone who's in the kpop community, it's a huge double standard problem there too. The stuff that people say about the girl group Blackpink while the members are all in their late 20's is ridiculous. They never were targeted towards younger audiences, it's not their fault. Kpop groups like Illit, Itzy, STAYC etc. are for teens. The fact that the BP members still get sl*tshamed and called bad role models for wearing revealing outfits, attending parties or singing explicit lyrics is a joke. Boy groups hip thrust the air or ground, often don't wear ANY shirt at all on stage or sing about s3x and no one cares. Female kpop idols get torn to shred for working with the underwear brand Calvin Klein by the same people who thirst over the male kpop idols working with them. It's always on the female artists. Male artists can get drunk and sing se*ualizing lyrics of women but "OH NO the bad, bad female role models with their short skirts"... Give me a break. This video was very much needed, thank you!
I was just about to mention kpop cus I’m not over that clip of shinee thrusting on the floor and the camera being right under them. Don’t get me started with people like jungkook, Mingi and San of ATEEZ, etc.
K-pop is the best example of how men can be sexual and its fine (cus teen girls can have their cute little parasocial crushes on literal GROWN MEN) but when women are they get treated horribly for it its awful
As a mom, I either save the spicy music for when he's at school or I play the edited version. Though I don't think Sabrina Carpenter is that bad (she's one of my favorites). I've heard more intense things on NPR. If my kid has any questions, we can talk about it in a developmentally appropriate way. It's my job to have the conversations with him so he can have the emotional tools to respect women and their self expression. This is the work I signed up for when I chose to be a mom. 💋
What conversation are you going to have with him? That he should respect a woman who indecently exposes herself to minors? Why should we respect that? Just because she's a woman? And how is that *her* self expression? It's softcore porn designed to pander to the male gaze. Nothing to do with authenticity. It's to do with money, fame, publicity and appeasing men.
Miley's photoshoot was inappropriate because she was underage (wasn’t she 17?) but SHE was a victim in that - she was a child who was being exploited. If I'm wrong about her age. Then we can all ignore the whole thing because she was able to consent.
@@rachellymanwhat’s even worse was when her own dad also went along with the shaming and only just recently said he regretted not protecting her when she was being attacked as a teen
Reddit especially hates Sabrina for wearing lingerie. Some of them have even claimed she goes as far to be a CP because she dresses cutesy and sexy, plus Sabrina is short with a rounder face, which makes her look young when wearing sexy clothes. It's absolutely absurd. She's adult dressing sexy. No one truly thinks she's a child or advertising to children. The lyrics on her last album make that abundantly clear (Bed Chem, hello??? Does anyone seriously think this album is for kids?). Leave her alone.
Damn! She is an adult, she looks like an adult! She has an adult body too, I don't think children can have legs or hips like hers! She may look like she is 20 when she is 25, because of her round face, but still, 20 isn't 12! Those people are creeps.
Sabrina Carpenter does not care about women or girls; she deliberately caters to the male gaze and is not truly expressing her sexuality. she’s being paid to promote porn culture.
@@iceunelle been saying this!!! I'm also on Reddit and I see these gross accusations. How many other pop girlies wear similar things and don't get called out for it. Olivia Rodrigo is also a grown woman now and she continues to wear school girl inspired outfits yet no one says a word?? Why can't we let woman wear what they want? Honestly I feel like the hate is directed at her rather than her clothing style. They just don't like her so they not pick everything she does.
i was a carpenter even when she was just starting out on disney, and considering how we were BOTH kids, ofc it was all gonna be child-friendly, but i dont expect that from her now that we're BOTH adults... like duh?? i feel like this ties into a bigger convo about how not everything needs to be "for" kids. like i know in korea theres been a lot of discourse about anti-child spaces like cafes where they arent allowed and... i think its valid. not everything is for your little tikes. theres a sense of entitlement parents have that is really obnoxious because.. YOU chose this problem. you should be responsible for it, not young women who are just living their lives lol
I remember listening to “Genie in a Bottle” at 5 years old, and it went STRAIGHT over my head 😂 “Yeah, you gotta rub her the right way because she’s a genie, that’s how you get her out of her lamp, duh, I’m not stupid”
I’m so tired of society pushing this role model idea on women and especially young girls, but yet it’s barely pushed on young boys and men. Why do artists like Sabrina and Britney have to turn down their authentic selves because parents are foolishly showing older content to their kids? Like these women are 18+ and are gonna embrace their sexuality, and tbh, aren’t really worried about what a 7 year old thinks, cause yk, they aren’t the target audience. Chris Evans gets to embrace his sexuality(ik there are negatives to this) and not have a huge role model responsibility placed on him, and in the black community specifically, Usher gets to talk abt his sexuality and having, “nasty” thoughts with no scrutiny, and lots of black parents(including my mom) played his music around 6-9 year old me. It’s also heavily placed on black women, cause god knows if we mess up in the public eye and aren’t perfect 24/7, we’ll be blacklisted from the entertainment industry.
Sabrina Carpenter does not care about women or girls; she deliberately caters to the male gaze and is not truly expressing her sexuality. she’s being paid to promote porn culture.
On the topic of Chris Evans he is able to keep his public image as a sex symbol and a ‘smol anxious bean’. Look at how his fans jumped to his rescue when he nudes were leaked. It was a wholesome moment for sure but the same energy isn’t being shown for women celebs getting nudes leaked. Seems like only men (especially white men) get to be seen as multifaceted
@@alyssapinon9670yes, ur so spot on! I remember wondering as a kid why the female celebrities I loved growing up had to have such a huge responsibility to carry yet the male celebrities barely had to. I’d be like, “Britney didn’t ask to be a role model, she just wanted to be an entertainer” and I still feel that way, especially with Sabrina. And i genuinely thought we’ve been moving forward by trying to take responsibility’s off of female celebrities, but people are just doing the same thing to Sabrina like what they’ve done to everyone:(
@@lilysflower9685 You seriously think this is Sabrina Carpenter's 'authentic self'? She's doing her best impression of a porn star or blow up doll because she knows that's where the publicity, money and fame is. Her career was near dead until she played the tired old game of 'sex sells', or more accurately 'women's objectification sells'. This is not just about a parent's responsibility. It's about her taking responsibility for who she sells tickets to. As it stands her shows are all ages. She knows there are kids in her audience and yet she still has no issue with performing softcore porn in front of them. She even chats with them in the audience and makes jokes about how they're minors. That's a problem with her own ethics and morals and people have every right to call her out on it. That's not 'sexism'. I personally think she has the personality disorder exhibitionism and actually gets a kick out of it. She's sick in the head. You'd have to be to knowingly do that in front of little kids.
As a young girl, Sabrina's such an inspiration for me. I want to feel sexy in my own body one day too. People are calling her a bad role model for young girls. Well, oh well, I look up to her. I'm still trying to fight the idea that if I get assaulted, perhaps my clothes would play a factor in it. When I see her being faced with criticism for what she wears and how she keeps on rolling with it? It makes me happy, and I want that for myself one day as I become an independent adult.
Oh c'mon, I was singing S&M gleefully as a child while having no idea what it's about... I knew that most songs are for adults and didn't care to actually listen, just like all my friends did back then.
Really I dont see the problem with kids hearing those kinds of songs, I feel like every generation has been listening to bad songs they werent supposed to be listening to 😂. I just think that kids arent really internalizing the lyrics the way we think they do. Like when I listened to anaconda, I just liked the beat and the vibes, and wasnt really thinking about it. Same with “take it off” by kesha or “shake it” I just loved the way the songs sounded, you know? There are very few songs whose lyrics i internalize, and they’re always really emotional/beautiful kinds of songs. Music has multiple functions, some can be fun and funky, others can be lyrical masterpieces, they all deserve a place in our hearts
This. When I was a kid songs like S&M or Anaconda or even Wrecking Ball were all over the radio. And guess what, I turned out fine. I didn't even realize what they were singing about at the time, I just thought it was catchy.
We're not just talking about her music. We're talking about the fact that she sells tickets to minors and then exposes them to her virtual porn act. She's one sick puppy.
The misogyny is still prevalent in the music industry. It is okay for male artists to affirm their sexuality on stage - and there is no criticism on how they are being bad role models for boys. Because men are allowed to be sexual; women cannot, which is absurd. Female sexuality should be valued, celebrated, and right for women to own, not demonized.
My teen kid very well knows about the sexual messaging in pop songs. 😂 They've chosen, on their own, to prefer classical and jazz! Maybe I'm just lucky, but I also think it has to do with being open and honest with your kids and having (age appropriate) CONVERSATIONS and... (Gasp) PARENTING your children. If you don't want them listening to something, have a conversation about WHY. It's really not hard. (Also, anyone else remember that Discovery Channel song? That was WILD that it was allowed on the radio! Sabrina is pretty tame compared to that.) ETA: when you have conversations with your children, they also might disagree with you because they are, believe it or not, their own individual people. Try to listen to them, and be patient with them instead of always being authoritarian. Kids who have parents who listen, are more likely to trust those parents and talk to them, instead of hiding things.
100% with you! Those conversations are very important and having that space of psychological safety so people feel they can broach "touchy" subjects is how kids/teens learn in a healthy environment otherwise that's where the secrets start, or worse, they go out and about ignorant to all sorts of things which winds them up in dangerous situations but they don't feel like they can call their caregivers because of the "consequences" back home
I think that one of the things we don’t talk about as much is how exhausting it is to constantly be surveilled as a woman. Everything you do, say, wear, etc is scrutinized and you can’t do anything without SOMEONE having an opinion. And it starts young. So many women experienced having extremely strict upbringings while their male relatives could do whatever they want. The unintended consequence of this though is men feeling lonely and invisible because no one is ever actually engaging with them so no one truly benefits from this.
Yeah, I get you! Tbh, being raised to have to “act a certain way” while being told that I couldn’t do x,y,z action but my brother could was infuriating as a child. I’m a young adult now, and I’ve realized my father is just not a good parent. Was sheltered about discussions involving s_x as well, which definitely had impacted me when I was a teen also. The double standards honestly are so tiring to deal with. And yeah, it sucks that guys end up isolated. I wish more guys grew up with empathy though. Because that’s why I feel like we see horrid sh- in relation to people shitting on victims of SA, it’s horrible.
My question is, why don't parents check on the artist before showing them to their kids? Y'know, like what an ACTUAL parent does. Why do so many parents just not want to do their jobs?
@@Mel-wn9gb what kinda softcore porn have you been watching? she literally wears regular performers' clothes and do very normal choreography. the sexual innuendos would go straight over your head unless you already know about them. if YOU see softcore porn in her performance, that says more about you than anything.
I was a preteen when Dirrty (Aguilera) was released and I remember watching the video and others like it, with a sense of empowerment. Thinking, "what a cool, badass woman". And I understood that the image, the lyrics etc. were sexual. And I also understood that I "shouldn't" want to be like that, because then I would be a "bad girl". But I still wanted that agency (whithout knowing what it was), confidence and power they exuded through the TV screen. They seemed to me to have sexual agency. And I didn't even know what that was nor that I was allowed to have it without shame.
I still find it funny just 1-2 years before Dirrty was released, I had a friend that said she liked Christina because she doesn't sing dirty lyrics. Her family moved away so by the time Dirrty came out, I wasn't in touch with her anymore. But immediately thought of her 😂 I hope she still likes listening to her lol I know I became a fan afterwards
as a teen who loves sabrina carpenter, i personally dress more modest and i don't curse, i don't drink, i don't have sex, and guess what. the artists i listen to sing about doing all those things!! does it effect what i do? no! why? it's how my *parents* raised me!! if a popstar is raising your kids, thats a parent problem.
i think it’s important to note that she WAS a role model for my demographic (im 23) who grew up watching her on disney channel and watching her move to a solo career. she grew up at the same time i did in a lot of ways so of course she’s matured as she’s gotten older. she’s fully allowed to do that. i feel like it’s unfair to call her out on “problematic behaviour” when in reality she’s talking about a lot of the same things women in our demographic talk about. if that’s not for your children, then you have the ability to steer them to something different
her current music is not made for children. she never marketed herself as a children’s performer, at least not since she was on disney ages ago. when are we going to stop expecting grown adults to be “role models”? it’s weird to expect a stranger to be a role model for your kids, that’s your job as a parent. this narrative around female pop stars makes me irate 😅 also, it’s a parents job to screen an artist’s music before taking their kid to a concert. it’s wild to me that these kinds of people play victim and whine about an “inappropriate performance” when they were the ones who were too lazy to do their due diligence beforehand.
I grew up during the Miley/Justin Bieber becoming of "controversial celebrities" and now as an adult it's so wild to see all the hate they got for just growing up in front of the entire world and having every "bad" thing they did being documented for the whole world to judge. Like Miley being overly sexual and Justin getting tattoos and doing drugs. And then I remember myself growing up and like.... I wouldn't even survive being a celebrity, I would go out to party every weekend and drinking and hooking up, basically exploring my own limits and desires consensually with other people, now imagine paparazzi following me around and taking photos. I would get cancelled in like 2 days haha. And I was also a bad friend often, which would get totally leaked to the public by someone and everyone would hate on me for doing x y z to someone or being two-faced, if I were a celebrity. Basically if you're a normal, flawed human being, you're still a bad role model to the public because a role model has to do absolutely nothing wrong EVER in order to be a role model. And I'm so glad Miley said she wasn't sorry about that photoshoot, like yes girl stand up for yourself! When Britney was criticised for doing nothing wrong, she had to apologise in front of the cameras in order to "redeem her image", in order not to get cancelled by the world. So I'm happy that Miley was able to see even then that forcing someone to apologise when they don't want to is unfair and toxic, especially if they didn't do anything criminal or morally wrong
I grew up with Brittney and Christina, so anyone that came out afterwards I would be like, "we're having this outcry again?!" I don't think "we can't stop" was as big of a shocker as "Dirrty" but I guess for a new generation 🤷♀️ just like going back to Fionna Apple's "criminal" seems so tame but she got the same heat for the video. I also remember Vanessa Hudgens having to apologize for her nudes getting leaked 😳
No let’s have some nuance here. They were criticised because they used black culture as a way to not be seen as ‘pure’ anymore then completely discarded it later.
How you're not at 100k yet is beyond me. I've seen other successful YT video essayists name check you in videos too! You're on your way ❤ ETA vote blue 'Murrica 💙
@@The_Late_Great_Hannibal_Lecteri think Kamala will win if it's fair. Have you heard of this petition Elon Musk is having people sign only in swing states? I'm concerned he's gonna use those signatures to fill out fraudulent ballots
My suspicion is the RUclips algorithm doesn’t promote feminist channels. It took literally years for me to find any feminist channels on RUclips. And even though I now subscribe to and like and comment on a few, I am still not suggested feminist channels. YT buries this kind of content.
I remember being a tween and big Britney fan worrying about my tween life. I just enjoyed the music and the dances and thought she was pretty because that's how you are at 10, 11, 12. But because weird adults were obsessed with her in different ways, I was EXPOSED to concepts around sexuality I was light years from thinking about. The shocking stuff I saw was after 11pm on MTV with rap videos essentially (which I wasn't supposed to be watching of course). Let kids enjoy pop stars!
Thank you for bringing this up! I feel like kids are able to appreciate feminine beauty in a pure way. It’s adults and purity culture that make it seem perverse.
@@whatcanidooo It wasn’t her photoshoot. It was a photoshoot for W, and the photographer was in charge. The whole photoshoot for W is online and there’s exactly one photo of her by the sprinkler. In the rest she is dry and fully dressed.
I don’t understand how the parents can see the marketing/ her aesthetic, she is basically wearing lingerie, why would they think it would be appropriate for their kids?! Just because it’s popular doesn’t mean it’s child friendly. 🤦
As a millennial parent, if I find an artist makes music I find too sexual for my young children... I don't let them listen. 🤦♀🤦♀ When I want to listen to music with profanity or sexual themes, I do it when they're at school or use headphones! This is not difficult 😂 Also not the end of the world if they do happen to hear something they don't fully understand in a song - I really appreciate the opportunity to discuss things with them!
It's hilarious that people are offended by Sabrina because she seems so much more tame compared to other pop stars. Not that I have an issue with Britney or Christina, because I enjoy them all, but let's be for real. Purity culture is reaching.
Yeah i don’t think her songs are the sexual, maybe besides bed Chem and Juno. But other artists have songs that are just as sexual too??? To what’s the issue???
Parents need to use their critical thinking skills for real. Just because a female pop artist wears pink sparkly outfits it does NOT automatically mean they cater to children. Sabrina Carpenter is not a children's act, Chappell Roan is not a childrens' act. Do these people even bother, I don't know, paying attention to the lyrics before buying tickets for their 6yos? And if the answer is no, how is that Sabrina's problem?
As a 22 yr old female, I am less uncomfortable with Sabrina and Tate being grown adult women and more uncomfortable with the idea that SOOO many young girls are allowed to listen to their music as it is not meant for children. Stop expecting everyone else in the world to raise your children! Pay attention to what they’re watching and be accountable!!
@@steamboatwill3.367 if you aren’t old enough to drive or have your period you shouldn’t be able to twerk and listen to music that’s verrrry inappropriate and about sex. No tween likes to hear this but it’s true it has been true for every generation before y’all and it’ll be true every generation after y’all. 13 yr olds today want to be famous and think they’re 22, you’re not. Every stage of your life you’re gonna think you know exactly what’s going on and have it all figured out but you never do. I’m 22 and I’m sure in 10 years I’m gonna think back to being 22 and how I didn’t know as much as I thought. Young teens and middle schoolers should not be singing “touch me and explore me, I’m so f***ing ho**y!”. There is music out there that is good and appropriate for younger people like Taylor swift for example. Just because something is on the radio doesn’t mean it’s for you. Not every pop artist is meant for children and they don’t have to be.
Those eighties and nineties songs were a great throwback to my youth! I also remember Tone Loc and 2 Live Crew, who were probably some of the worst. Of course, it's always only women who are criticized for what they wear, tattoo, pierce, say, do, where they go, who they date, how much they weigh, etc. I'm so tired of women always being held to impossibly high standards while "boys will be boys" seems to be the only standard for males, even the full-grown or even elderly ones.😒 P.S. Oh yeah, Kylie is the queen! I was about to go and check out her new album, 'Tension', when your video dropped. I'm very excited about it because the reviews are off the charts.🥰
it’s also crazy how parents come for girl or women stars as if they’re supposed to be perfect role model dolls. i remember my mom would ban me from watching hannah montana and bratz because she said the way they dressed acted was like a ‘hoochie mama’. i will give her one thing though,is that while she said this to me she didn’t go around saying it to everyone who would listen and commenting under posts about them. she just restricted whether i consumed that media or not which is exactly what these parents should be doing instead of making it the artists problem.
It's kind of insane she said that abput Hannah Montana since Disney literally made their stars do so much layering to avoid their outfits looking "scandalous"
This whole video was so profound. Thank you so much for bringing up the part about black women. We have such a painful past and often present. Often not being seen as little girls or as valuable women is so detrimental to well-being. This is why we are seen as strong and resilient. It's because we have to be not because we want to be.
She is inappropriate for young girls but young girls shouldn’t be listening to her songs to begin with. The problem is we don’t have much media that is appropriate for young people now days
I firmly believe, "You are the parent; if you dislike it, don't let your child partake." My mom watched and listened to EVERYTHING before I could. She'd record live TV shows and cartoons onto VHS to watch before I could. My cousin only lets her sons have online time when they can be watched. They turn their phones in at bedtime. She has apps to see everything they watch and checks in weekly to ensure nothing breaking the rules is watched during school. Is it extreme, yes, but if she can do it to an extreme any parent can do it to some extent. It is NEVER an artist's fault for what YOU let your child partake in. Take responsibility for your own inaction and lack of parenting.
@@steamboatwill3.367 It definitely was, but if someone can be over the top helicopter mom they certainly can watch their kid enough to not allow them to indulge in things they deem inappropriate. It is always on a parent to parent, not an artist to change their art.
I was a child/preteen during the era where Miley Cyrus was all over disney channel and she started getting backlash for that Vanity Fair photo shoot where she had the towel on and then she transitioned into her "Can't Be Tamed" era (which looking back in hindsight was childs play in comparison to her "Bangers" era), me and my sister were also watching Zoey 101 and that was also around the time Jamie Lynn got pregnant. I have clear memories of my parents sitting me and my sister down and lecturing us about why Jamie Lynn and Miley Cyrus were like terrible people or something🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️ and how sex is bad but only if you're a girl and unmarried. I can understand why parents may want to start having conversations with their kids about sexuality around a certain age; when they are consuming certain media but the way that my parents did it back then, all it did was make me internalise blatent misogyny that I spent years unlearning. And granted I do not have children in this day and age, and a lot has changed since I was like 11. But the best that I could probably do as a parent is just try my best to explain things in an appropriate way for young people to digest without outwardly and exclusively demonising women's sexuality.
Fellow tinnitus girlie here. ❤ so sorry . Sometimes gently massaging my temples and the sides of my head calms a spike down, but it never goes away. I hope you’re feeling better!
I grew up with her on Girl Meets World--it's been years. She is older, world needs to get over it, lmao. It's literally fine if teens and young adults have songs with suggestive titles or lyrics to digest, especially when they are learning about puberty and going through it--and while the market audience isn't kids, even if they hear it kids won't know what it even is and can fairly easily be told something else. (Thought the song was "The internet is for Pork" was the song for years thanks to my Mother's white lie, lol...) I say this as a young adult who had siblings 7, 10, and 12 years older than me growing up around me, and was singing Red Hot Chilli peppers at like...4.
You know a criticism of her that makes me irrationally angry? People claiming she’s infantilising herself. The ONLY things that’s “childlike” about her is her height. People think a short blonde white woman should be for kids “just because” and then they don’t have any arguments as to why and how she’s both infantilising AND oversexualising herself. I hate it. She’s just a woman? She’s a short 25 year old woman making fun songs? Leave her BE!
I was hoping you would also mention Its Raining Men and Let’s Get it On as some from even earlier, its always been a topic of contention and music has always been a place to express the vulgar and emotional, from your distaste with your country / war / the world to what / who / how you love. Even just looking at Justin Timberlake ripping open Janet Jackson’s wardrobe at the super bowl, and HER GETTING THE BACKLASH and basically shamed out of the industry is enough to show that level of double standard there
I need a short history. I understand when parents are like this with artists who do a HUGE branding 360, but it almost seems like Sabrina was gradually phasing out of her teen celebrity phase for half a decade.
@@awhimsyreader9015 yes, and seeing that she was only a supporting actress on Girl Meets World, her presence and impact wasn’t that big in comparison to even the Descendants . But I will say, the Gen Z star with funniest transition from child actor to mature entertainment was Zendaya doing it twice in half a decade. 1. 1 “Disney to this (HBO’s Euphoria)” and “The Spider-Man movies to the Tennis movie” and parents weren’t betrayed by that. More so the Gen Z audience were 🤣
yeah this is what's so weird to me. Sabrina may have been a Disney kid, but she was never at the level of Miley Cyrus where she would've attained a massive tween/teen audience. She only blew up over the last few years, and she was well into her twenties, singing about adult relationships at that point. Not sure where all this fuss is even coming from.
About treatment of teenagers - I think teenagers are treated like adults or children based purely on the convenience of the adults around them. When they’re struggling to regulate their emotions they need to grow up, when they’re curious they need to stop trying to grow up. When something needs done they should know how and take initiative but god forbid they have opinions about how things should be done. You can’t be unattractive but you can’t be attractive, which is a losing game of contradictions that adults force them to play before their time. I could go on but I truly think it’s the worst age I’ve ever been because of this bs. And to make it worse the worst thing you can do is point out the unfairness of it!
I will never understand why grown women are always being questioned on their “role” as a role model that part where you talked about Jake Paul being a part of the Disney Channel really just made me mad because Disney never questioned Jake Paul as a role model until it started costing them money anddddd they would NEVER give a girl who was/is doing the things Jake was/is doing her own show these standards that a woman must always be non sexual but desirable is unrealistic, gross, and dehumanizing at its core
I think entertainers should be able to express themselves however they want. I just hope that young women don't feel like they HAVE to dress and act sexy if they want to be famous, because there does seem to be that expectation in the industry.
Sabrina tried to make it for years in this industry. She only got big when she started acting like a porn star. There you go. That's the actual sexism here. At the same time, women need to resist that pressure, not get down on all fours and expose our crotches for the man out of our own self interest, and then cry 'sexism'. At that point, you're a part of the problem.
Idk... Personally when I was a child I laughed at people that people found Brittany Spears so abhorrent but then I got a little older and worked in the same industry for about a decade and now I think it's kinda fucked up that a team of people helped a really young, vulnerable person get to the point of having irreversible mental damage, which includes the early childhood sexualization I think. Doing that for prophet is evil. Do you really think all of that was her will?
Again "criticizing Brittany Spears for daring to incorporate her sexuality". She was dressed up as a cheerleader, in a highschool dancing up on grown ass men with muscles and facial hair as a teenager. Why is she suddenly a convenient symbol? Did everyone tire of gossiping about her problems? Cause it's all connected yo
"Criticizing Britany for expressing her sexuality" na they where on some Nickelodeon bullshit, she's not your token. She was dressed symbolically as a high schooler dancing on grown ass men with muscles and facial hair. You don't remember how crazy it was back then?
It's just so annoying. It's like you're saying her issue is that haters where hating and not that her sexualization was directly linked to her exploitation. So you're defending the team of people who did that to her.
@@christinebelzie194I feel like many lines where crossed, over a very crucial time where crossed and applauded. And I lived through this era of unfortunate girls leaving in cars with men after school, never to be the same again and men in suits sniffing after the boys in schools to ship them off to feed a war machine. People from this era have lost to many young women and men to think what she did, at her age, and given the context was alright... It was insanity.
Fr. At ten years old I thought the saying was “sticks and stones may break my bones, but chains and whips excite me”, and was confused when someone said “words will never hurt me”. I don’t think a Rihanna song corrupted me, and Sabrina’s music wouldn’t have turned me into a heathen either. If I listened to it as a tween, I probably just would’ve learned the definition of the word “horny”, and maybe felt a little more normal hearing someone actually talk about it.
2:06 omg the y2k and 80s pop scene makes Sabrina carpenter singing “I’ll tell everyone you finish your chores prematurely” in Good Graces sound like Kidz Bop lyrics 😭
I love Sabrina! No men are being called out when they say anything explicit, and she’s extremely clever and is an incredible writer. Don’t like it! Too damn bad, accept it and get over it.
If i didnt want my kids to be influenced by celebrities i would limit the kids internet access, not attack the celebrity. Kids dont really know what the lyrics mean anyway and if they wanted to dress like her than where would they even get the clothes too, unless they stole my credit card or if they had an allowance than bought something without my permission but i wouldnt allow them to. And there are plenty of adults who like people like Sabrina Carpenter so it just wouldnt be fair attacking the artist herself
I'm turning 28 and knew who Kylie Minogue was but since I'm American, didn't see/hear much of her stuff. Totally agree that Sabrina shouldn't be criticized this much and also agree that there's not really a teen market these days💋
My own mother took me to a Little Richard concert when I was twelve because she had grown up listening to him and felt his lyrics were more wholesome than other artists in her own time. LMAO. I now realize she just didn't understand anything he said
Rappers talking about sex, drugs, violence and disrespecting women isn’t a bad role model for boys, but Sabrina Carpenter singing about not letting men mistreat her and having good sex is a bad role model? If that isn’t evidence of societal views on women then I don’t know what it is. This smacks of “how dare you empower my daughters by living your best life!” EDIT: oh my god, the demeaning nonsense that Britney was put through during her career is INSANE. What the actual f*ck? How this woman has any sanity left I don’t know.
I'm really glad you mentioned that there is no content for teens. I'm not a parent, but I have to think it's incredibly difficult to stop your teen from listening to the top music on social media lmao the kid could be watching a nail polish or cooking video and hear the song. Parents aren't able to stop that. Like be for real lmao Also Christina Aguilera's Stripped is an incredible, vulnerable album, but her team led with Dirty bc they were trying to compete with Britney and other sex symbols of the time. Its all business, and rarely do these stars have a say over what makes them popular. Too much blame is being put on parents and performers. Buyers are the ones asking for this and the music industry happily gives them what they want: half naked, sexy humans with talent
She is 25. She's an adult, singing abput adult relationships. If you don't want your kids to listen to her then monitor what they listen too and have an open conversation about why it's not appropriate for them. It's not that big of a deal.
@@Mel-wn9gbor parents can get control on their kids? some of Sabrina’s old songs are kid friendly (since she was younger when she created them) so it’s understandable how kids can like her music, but fun fact, it isnt her fault when parents can’t say no to their children. get a grip
I think it’s funny you used I Touch Myself by the Divynls as an example of sexy music from the past because Taste by Sabrina Carpenter reminds me of that song.
Can we please just be realistic about expectations and LET WOMEN LIVE!? Also I’m from the USA and we don’t learn shit in school about American history. I know more about how our debt was paid off for like 3 days by Andrew Jackson 100 years ago and nothing about what we did to the people who had this land before colonists showed up. I don’t even understand taxes, this is America🤦♀️ Edit:💋 I haven’t listened to Sabrina’s music so I’ll check it out
19:50 YES!! Sabrina really does remind me of a cheekier Gen Z equivalent to 00s Kylie Minogue, both in terms of music and stage presence! I feel so validated in my opinion now, I thought I was the only one to notice the similarities as well!
"X artist has become more sexual and therefore is bad for young girls" is really just "the younger generation is fully adults who are comfortable in their sexuality and that makes US uncomfortable... so they should cut it out rn"
I don't think I've worn this much blush since 2009 😅 no matter how accurately i recreated her makeup look, our bone structure is so v different. What do you think of this whole situation?
Oh I never noticed
LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!!!!!! (iykyk)
I just discovered your channel with this video, really appreciate your commentary!!!!! also I love your makeup, you're so pretty, this shade of blue/lavender is everything on you 🥺🩵🩵
Thank you for playing all those classics in that montage 😂
@@The_Late_Great_Hannibal_Lecterpeople made fun of that person.
Looking back, that was probably the most level headed one.
We'd gotten so comfortable with bullying young female popstars and socialites at the time that paparazzi were literally counting the seconds for the next one to "snap".
Like why aren't male musicians as criticized as female musicians? Why aren't they being told to rap about fatherhood or to be hushed when showing their sexuality, talking about having sex with if age (or underage) women (and girls)?
Snoop Dogg had the nerve to criticize 'WAP' for being too explicit...I'm familiar enough with his work to know he needs to shut up. Male rappers are such hypocrites.
the only artists who been ripped were black male artists who "acted feminine" like Michael Jackson, Prince, Nas X, Little Richard, and Smokin Jay Hawkins
Of course it's definitely not only racist but homophobic
I fully agree about the type of hip-hop Snoop was a part of
As someone who listened that era of rap, I'll say this, Sean Combs getting arrested for sex trafficking and grape isn't shocking when you hear the lyrics he and other artists like, Jay-Z, Dr Dre, the late Biggie and Sean spoke about in their songs
Just like R.Kelly
So other fans who acted shocked at both Robert Kelly and Sean Combs being arrested are delusional
@@Itcouldbebunnies Ugh. Even male rappers today tend to sexualize women. (i.e. "If you got a bumper then twerk it")
Why do people lust over the Imagine Dragons singer for being shirtless in every concert?
But that's not the same. Nor is that the answer.
The fact that the prominent boy role models are spreading hateful messages and no one is doing anything to stop it
Right? Why aren’t parents complaining about that Tater tot??
No boy role models are doing that.
@@suga1180Andrew Tate
@@suga1180sneako
@@suga1180 This is bait, isn’t it? There is a huge problem with male role models right now and has been for years. The way influencers like Andrew Tate or Sneako encourage young boys to view themselves and women is incredibly damaging, to say the least. Young boys are constantly forced to be “macho men,” both in their communities and online. And at a very young age, boys are encouraged to value women based on arbitrary qualities, such as attractiveness or a preconceived idea of feminity. There’s also a huge emphasis on equaling material goods to self-worth. And many dudes that aren’t necessarily in the redpill sphere, like Logan Paul, encourage similar behaviors in their own way. These guys were probably taught similarly. But instead of breaking the cycle, they continue it.
There’s also something that has to be said for the male role models of my generation. My generation was one of the first when internet influencers gained somewhat of a mini celebrity status. We also had the Pauls, and many other problematic people. Shane Dawson, Idubbz, Filthy Frank, DieselPatches. While none of these people probably intended to make videos for a kid audience, they reached us nonetheless. I’ll never forget how much of an influence Idubbz, in particular, had on my classmates. I always avoided him, so it was only later I learned of his notoriety. The Tana situation especially reflects bad on him. I think he began to realize how impressionable his audience was, how young they were, when he did meet ups. Unfortunately, I fell more down the DieselPatches pipeline, where he would kind of disguise his videos as “non political,” and sprinkle some very right-leaning views, and was especially scrutinizing towards women.
I’m sorry for writing a whole essay on this subject, but as someone who has been negatively affected by poor male role models, both directly and indirectly, I had a lot to say.
You know who should be a good role model for kids? Their parents.
es estúpido creer que en la actualidad, los únicos modelos serían los padres, cuando sabemos que las redes sociales está en todas partes
Exactly.
@@odo8808Parents the best role model they should have. It's stupid to believe that they shouldn't be role models.
Sabrina has stopped being a teen idol for years so what do people expect from her? She isn't going to sing teen bops anymore. She is a grown adult singing about grown adult themes.
Similarly with Olivia Rodrigo, she isn't meant for children, she is meant for teens. She is a teen idol singing about teen messages and she will soon start to sing about adult themes in her next album. What do you expect them to sing about, the alphabet????
This! Literally any of the child fans she had from her time on Disney are older teens and adults now
ABCDE FU flashbacks... 😂
Yeah, she basically said “No more Mrs. Face-of-Family-Friendly-Disney!”.
Im pretty sure Olivia Rodrigeo is also an adult, but I understand your comment, cus yeah.
Edit: Rodrigeo is 23, she isn’t a teen. Lol
@@Suited_NatI feel like Olivia appeals to women from age 12-82.
as a mom of a preteen, you can simply choose to steer them away from music you find inappropriate? you can also use it to open a dialogue about it. i love it when other people make their lack of communication with their kids everyone else's problem
but also i was heavily into Spice Girls as a preteen and the innuendo was definitely over my head.
Your last paragraph, Exactly. Kids simply hear a catchy tune, see the bright colors & fun dancing, it's not sexual to kids because our minds simply don't register anything that way! Unless it's an encounter with someone we like, then that happens naturally, but pretty girls dancing & singing simply has no effect on children.
@@AngelinaThumbelina8I remember that when I was a kid I loved to watch the most sexual pop stars because they were extremely pretty and being proud of this.
Love seeing you taking responsibility over your parenting and the last paragraph is so true. I literally had no idea what Peaches and Cream really meant until I was in my teens-twenties.
Super correct!! like when I was a little girl, I saw the Spice Girls as these strong, fun, intelligent young women with cool & unique personalities & such fun camp in their aestetic & vibe. Their confidence and their direct-ness is what drew me to them...and it was way over my head the fact that the lot of them were in street hooker gear: short, shiny, tight dresses, garish makeup & hair, big boobs, midriffs, lingerie, pleaser stripper heels, latex & pleather, etc. The stuff that conservatives see that blatantly sexual srsly go over children's heads!! For real I did not realize until much later that most of their costumes were based off of drag queens, Dominatrix's, strippers, Penthouse pets, and Lolita cosplay 😅😂 love it tho! Never "damaged" me. I appreciated and still am obsessed with all of it!!
Exactly! Children won’t ever understand the innuendos. I listened to alottt of Rihanna songs as a kid and all of her innuendos flew over my head and i understood them like recently
These ladies aren't their mothers, and they certainly don't go around claiming to BE role models. They don't claim to be "for kids." It is not their fault others believe these women need to entertain their children??
Exactly. That's also been an issue. Parents seemingly feeling entitled to tell celebrities, especially women celebrities I need to do better for their children when it's not their job to be a babysitter.
If that level of wilful obliviousness and entitlement that makes me sick. Why can't these parents keep an eye on their own kids and stop shifting responsibility onto everyone else ?
If you are a public figure you are a role model, period. These people are literally being given political platforms. They are being asked to sit down with the president of the United States on behalf of their community concerns in 2024. I’m exhausted with these people getting access to all this power just to dodge accountability.
@@evaphillips2102yes and no…. sex is very prevelant most rappers sing about sex no reason to try to censor it
@@evaphillips2102 Being a public figure does not at all make you a role model, I don’t know where you got that from. People choose whether they like someone or not, once someone’s popular why should they appeal to kids? It’s not their job and they have no reason to.
@@evaphillips2102 Their music aren’t even targeted towards children. They are given political platforms and speak on behalf of the adults their age. You can’t just shift all responsibilities onto these people. They are human being, not saint virgin mary. Not to mention these celebrities usually speaks for the rights of the minorities, actively engage in activism, and these parents just focus, what, their clothes?
Female pop artists need to be chaste, virginal good role models
Male pop artist literally get away with sexu@l @ssault.
While at the same time being marketable sex icons, it's impossible
I criticize male artists myself but pple still praise them bc they make ‘art’
how quickly we millennials forgot that we had the backstreet boys and their biggest hit where nick carter asked AM I SEXUAL
And all his buddies said “yeaaaaah!”
It's very different, not the same.
@@dhsf5937 You’re right, it’s more sexy than Sabrina Carpenter’s music
@@dhsf5937how?
As a mummy, no less lol 😂
Can someone explain to me why we encourage white blonde girls to act this way in music - and then they get attacked for it? And then I feel strongly that we do the same thing to black/latino women but in a more sinister way - they’re expected to do this and are attacked if they DON’T It’s not fair. Also I want Britney to finally get proper karma. I grew up in that era and she was harmless!!!! It is insane what she went through.
Again, this is racism and misogyny at work. Just like she pointed out in this video. That's the reason.
Yup and the Elvis pelvis thrust had racist undertones
Like with most of Elvis' "art" he stole it from black artists including that move which was Chuck Berry's famous move ten years prior
Every clip I see of Britney being hounded about some innocuous crap, her responses are always so on point, calmly and clearly stating its not her job or desire to raise all children everywhere. But the interviewer always just bulldozed right over it, the point was never to have a conversation, it was to tell her off, indeed, control her
And if artists go the other way and dress more conservatively and don't explicitly sing about sex, like Taylor Swift, people call those artists boring and bland. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
@@iceunelleTaylor actually has sexual songs, I think it's just her style to hide it better. But she has been getting more and more explicit in her lyrics and more directly refference sex as she has gotten older. Songs like Dress, False God, I See You and Guilty as Sin are examples of song that are more direct. But a lot of her songs have reffetences. Lavender Haze has a line that can be interpited as tutching yourself while looking at the ceiling. So she is sexual, but she also loves being poetic so she is often less direct than Sabrina. I love both of them btw, I love how Sabrina owns her sexuality with her whole cheest. I also love how Taylor treats it more like her little secret, like you are not invited to her party, only her and her lover is 🤭
All these male musicians out here having sex with 15 year olds, but its the women celebrating their own sexuality with their grown partners that's the problem. Same story every day, and somehow people really think sexism doesn't exist anymore LMAO
Omg so true, they always act like women are crazy and entitled and unreasonable for wanting basic respect, and they say things like "why do we need feminism women already got what they want what do they want now??"
I'm so sick and tired of this blatant sexism and gaslighting
@@purpleflowers8723 me too girl
Women should be able to exist without purity being projected onto them and/or their art at all times
⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️⬆️ THIS!!!!!!!!
We do
Purity culture is basically rape culture but subtler.
So it's okay she told a stadium of teen girls to call themselves sluts for her? 🤔
Sabrina fans creepy NGL. LMAO. She started on DISNEY. Maybe don't be a stripper if you dance for 14 year olds. 🤷🏻♀️
@@void-moon shes no longer on disney nor has she targeted her content towards children or teens since leaving disney. yall gotta stop looking at her like a disney child when shes a 25 year old grown ass adult woman and recognize that the person who started on disney as a child GREW. UP.
I have to say - as a 27 year old black woman I deeply appreciate you and other white essayists that point of the differences between white and poc treatment on topics like this. It really does make me feel very validated and seen AND helps me understand more of the nuisances of white girlhood and womanhood in ways I literally had not really thought of before ❤
The best solution to parents being concerned that their kids are listening/ are fans of an artist that makes 'inappropriate' music is to do what my mom did during my katy perry hyperfixation when I was a 10-11 yr old.
I was a huge Katy Perry fan as a kid, partly bc I had a little gay crush on her, but mostly bc her songs were catchy and (back then) her outfits and music videos were bright, colorful, and cute. (Much like Sabrina Carpenter)
Then one summer I became OBSESSED with her song "peacock" bc I saw her preform the song while wearing a peacock stage outfit in her documentary about her world tour. I literally only liked the song bc it was very catchy and bc I thought her peacock costume was the coolest and most pretty thing in the world.
Like obsessed to the point of the chorus becoming a vocal stim, drawing her peacock outfit, and spending hours watching her perform it on RUclips.
I BEGGED my mom to let me buy the song on iTunes so I could blast it on my little iPod nano.
our family's iTunes account was under my mom's name and card, plus she made sure to listen and check any songs her kids wanted to buy to make sure they were age-appropriate. So she listened to the song and realized to her horror that the song was basically an innuendo about Katy asking her male lover to show her his big penis. Hence the title of the song peaCOCK. that innuendo flew right over my little child head, and my mom could not find a "clean" version of the song anywhere.
So what did my mom do? Go on a crusade against Katy Perry for being 'inappropriate' for children and setting a 'bad example' for her pre-teen child?
Sent in complaints or demand Katy Perry changes her songs and style to be more suitable for children?
No. What she did instead was she sat me down and calmly and kindly explained to me (in an age-appropriate manner) what the song was actually about and that it was an adult subject that wasn't appropriate for someone my age. Then after her educating me and answering my questions, she then told me that since I clearly just really liked the song bc it was catchy, that she'd let me have it on my iPod but under the condition that I couldn't sing it in public, and that I'd have to wait until I was older to go to a Katy Perry concert.
I'm not a parent and I'm sure it's anything but easy or comfortable to have to explain certain topics to children, but at the end of the day, parents are the ones responsible for monitoring what media their child is consuming and it's their responsibility to make sure their kids are educated on certain topics when they come up or to restrict media they deem inappropriate and to educate their child on WHY it's inappropriate.
Thank you for sharing! I think that was a great way of handling it. I'll keep it in mind 💛
I'm about the become a parent and I hope I'll remember these kinds of lessons when the time comes.
@@houndofculann1793 congratulations on becoming a parent!
@@LaRana2315 thank you! It's still six months away but I try to keep an eye out for any possible lessons I happen to stumble into
@@houndofculann1793 that's a good attitude to have! I'm sure you'll do great!
I don't have children so what do I know, but seriously, the world is in shambles, children see terrible things happening everywhere and Sabrina Carpenter is the hill parents are willing to die on?!? An artist that as you said, is not for children?? And if the kids love her because of her colourful aesthetic and catchy melodies is sort of you know, the parents job to explain IF the kids even notice that the lyrics are about grown up stuff. Pop stars don't have to raise your kids for you. Okay, rant over 😂
Ps: justice for Hellfire yes! One of if not the best Disney villain songs.
@@moderngoblin Well, I guess we have reached Utopia now that only tens of thousands die. You're right, the worst thing going on right now is sexy popstars. I stand corrected!
It took me a long time to realize that “Hellfire” is a dramatic boner
And like, she's not really doing anything scandalous here? Sabrina is literally just performing cheeky songs in lingerie. I went on a pop music live concert a couple weeks ago and the dancers were two buff topless men in ski masks making out and simulating going down on the singer on stage. That's the kinda stuff children shouldn't be exposed to (and I didn't see any underage people in the audience)
As someone who has been a child and helps raise children, watched them pick up drugs and fashions that they heard on a song, these singers need to be held accountable for what they promote. I’m tired. These kids aren’t paying attention to the conflict in Isreal they’re watching what Haley Baldwin is doing next.
I’m fifteen and most kids are introduced to pron as young as nine they should focus on that because kids are alr very familiar with what Sabrina is singing about
I can’t stand when shitty parents make their bad parenting everybody else’s problem because they refuse to take any responsibility for themselves. They made the poor decision to have a child, and now everybody else in the world has to accommodate and cater to them exclusively.
PREACH!!!!!
I can't stand it when shitty pop stars make their pornographic 'art' a child's problem because they refuse to take any responsibility for themselves and who they sell tickets to. They made the poor decision to indecently expose themselves and their pornographic live shows to children. And then they expect everyone else in the world to cater to them and not call them out on it.
Didn’t something similar happen with Olivia Rodrigo and parents finding her lyrics/performance style inappropriate? I feel like parents just choose a new celebrity figure to place blame on when it comes to raising their children
Pretty much. Because parents don't want to raise their children and they want to make celebrities the babysitters to their offspring... We're just highlights how entitled these oblivious parents are.
These entertainers are not here to babysit your kids. You want to make sure your kids aren't watching something they're not supposed to, keep an eye on them yourself. Start being for more active parent and stop expecting everyone else, especially celebrities to babies at your children.
Honestly happens to all things pop culture. Magic the gathering, for example, was accused of promoting devil worship in the 90s
Or popular cartoons being to violent
I think parents have always looked for ways to push the responsibility of raising their children onto anyone or anything else
@@seeleunit2000 I mean, I often think it's not actual parents (at least not of young children), because it's the classic disingenuous rubbish people have been doing for decades; condemn anything new, or that doesn't fit into your narrative and pretend it's about protecting the kids. Same things happening with those book bannings, the people touring around the US to visit each school meeting aren't from the areas they're protesting at, they just have an agenda and are using "save the children" as a shield.
@Frogface91 many seniors too, and you know they don't have 5 year olds running around
Yeah, I saw a comment on an Olivia concert short saying “I was going to take my niece to this but now that I know she uses profanity I won’t be taking her!” Like okay ma’am lmao
As someone who's in the kpop community, it's a huge double standard problem there too. The stuff that people say about the girl group Blackpink while the members are all in their late 20's is ridiculous. They never were targeted towards younger audiences, it's not their fault. Kpop groups like Illit, Itzy, STAYC etc. are for teens. The fact that the BP members still get sl*tshamed and called bad role models for wearing revealing outfits, attending parties or singing explicit lyrics is a joke. Boy groups hip thrust the air or ground, often don't wear ANY shirt at all on stage or sing about s3x and no one cares. Female kpop idols get torn to shred for working with the underwear brand Calvin Klein by the same people who thirst over the male kpop idols working with them. It's always on the female artists. Male artists can get drunk and sing se*ualizing lyrics of women but "OH NO the bad, bad female role models with their short skirts"... Give me a break. This video was very much needed, thank you!
I was just about to mention kpop cus I’m not over that clip of shinee thrusting on the floor and the camera being right under them. Don’t get me started with people like jungkook, Mingi and San of ATEEZ, etc.
@@AUGHHHHHBBG, also the almost "foreplay" key did in his performance-
K-pop is the best example of how men can be sexual and its fine (cus teen girls can have their cute little parasocial crushes on literal GROWN MEN) but when women are they get treated horribly for it its awful
As a mom, I either save the spicy music for when he's at school or I play the edited version. Though I don't think Sabrina Carpenter is that bad (she's one of my favorites). I've heard more intense things on NPR. If my kid has any questions, we can talk about it in a developmentally appropriate way. It's my job to have the conversations with him so he can have the emotional tools to respect women and their self expression. This is the work I signed up for when I chose to be a mom. 💋
What conversation are you going to have with him? That he should respect a woman who indecently exposes herself to minors? Why should we respect that? Just because she's a woman? And how is that *her* self expression? It's softcore porn designed to pander to the male gaze. Nothing to do with authenticity. It's to do with money, fame, publicity and appeasing men.
Miley's photoshoot was inappropriate because she was underage (wasn’t she 17?) but SHE was a victim in that - she was a child who was being exploited.
If I'm wrong about her age. Then we can all ignore the whole thing because she was able to consent.
she was 15 at the time of the photo.... but even if she was of age, it is nothing to be ashamed of.
@@rachellymanwhat’s even worse was when her own dad also went along with the shaming and only just recently said he regretted not protecting her when she was being attacked as a teen
@@MichellaneousMe😢
Remember when Lorde was being dragged for dressing "like a grandma". You really can't win.
Reddit especially hates Sabrina for wearing lingerie. Some of them have even claimed she goes as far to be a CP because she dresses cutesy and sexy, plus Sabrina is short with a rounder face, which makes her look young when wearing sexy clothes. It's absolutely absurd. She's adult dressing sexy. No one truly thinks she's a child or advertising to children. The lyrics on her last album make that abundantly clear (Bed Chem, hello??? Does anyone seriously think this album is for kids?). Leave her alone.
Those redditors be self-reporting 😒
Damn! She is an adult, she looks like an adult! She has an adult body too, I don't think children can have legs or hips like hers! She may look like she is 20 when she is 25, because of her round face, but still, 20 isn't 12! Those people are creeps.
Sabrina Carpenter does not care about women or girls; she deliberately caters to the male gaze and is not truly expressing her sexuality. she’s being paid to promote porn culture.
@@iceunelle been saying this!!! I'm also on Reddit and I see these gross accusations. How many other pop girlies wear similar things and don't get called out for it.
Olivia Rodrigo is also a grown woman now and she continues to wear school girl inspired outfits yet no one says a word?? Why can't we let woman wear what they want? Honestly I feel like the hate is directed at her rather than her clothing style. They just don't like her so they not pick everything she does.
They are crazy on Reddit 😭
i was a carpenter even when she was just starting out on disney, and considering how we were BOTH kids, ofc it was all gonna be child-friendly, but i dont expect that from her now that we're BOTH adults... like duh?? i feel like this ties into a bigger convo about how not everything needs to be "for" kids. like i know in korea theres been a lot of discourse about anti-child spaces like cafes where they arent allowed and... i think its valid. not everything is for your little tikes. theres a sense of entitlement parents have that is really obnoxious because.. YOU chose this problem. you should be responsible for it, not young women who are just living their lives lol
I remember listening to “Genie in a Bottle” at 5 years old, and it went STRAIGHT over my head 😂
“Yeah, you gotta rub her the right way because she’s a genie, that’s how you get her out of her lamp, duh, I’m not stupid”
lol yes 🤣🤣🤣
I was 9 so I knew about it and the kids at school just laugh about it.
You have a bad taste imo also you're listening to a clown
I’m so tired of society pushing this role model idea on women and especially young girls, but yet it’s barely pushed on young boys and men. Why do artists like Sabrina and Britney have to turn down their authentic selves because parents are foolishly showing older content to their kids? Like these women are 18+ and are gonna embrace their sexuality, and tbh, aren’t really worried about what a 7 year old thinks, cause yk, they aren’t the target audience. Chris Evans gets to embrace his sexuality(ik there are negatives to this) and not have a huge role model responsibility placed on him, and in the black community specifically, Usher gets to talk abt his sexuality and having, “nasty” thoughts with no scrutiny, and lots of black parents(including my mom) played his music around 6-9 year old me. It’s also heavily placed on black women, cause god knows if we mess up in the public eye and aren’t perfect 24/7, we’ll be blacklisted from the entertainment industry.
Sabrina Carpenter does not care about women or girls; she deliberately caters to the male gaze and is not truly expressing her sexuality. she’s being paid to promote porn culture.
On the topic of Chris Evans he is able to keep his public image as a sex symbol and a ‘smol anxious bean’. Look at how his fans jumped to his rescue when he nudes were leaked. It was a wholesome moment for sure but the same energy isn’t being shown for women celebs getting nudes leaked.
Seems like only men (especially white men) get to be seen as multifaceted
@@alyssapinon9670yes, ur so spot on! I remember wondering as a kid why the female celebrities I loved growing up had to have such a huge responsibility to carry yet the male celebrities barely had to. I’d be like, “Britney didn’t ask to be a role model, she just wanted to be an entertainer” and I still feel that way, especially with Sabrina. And i genuinely thought we’ve been moving forward by trying to take responsibility’s off of female celebrities, but people are just doing the same thing to Sabrina like what they’ve done to everyone:(
The problem is calling groomed kids "authentic". That's why.
@@lilysflower9685 You seriously think this is Sabrina Carpenter's 'authentic self'? She's doing her best impression of a porn star or blow up doll because she knows that's where the publicity, money and fame is. Her career was near dead until she played the tired old game of 'sex sells', or more accurately 'women's objectification sells'. This is not just about a parent's responsibility. It's about her taking responsibility for who she sells tickets to. As it stands her shows are all ages. She knows there are kids in her audience and yet she still has no issue with performing softcore porn in front of them. She even chats with them in the audience and makes jokes about how they're minors. That's a problem with her own ethics and morals and people have every right to call her out on it. That's not 'sexism'. I personally think she has the personality disorder exhibitionism and actually gets a kick out of it. She's sick in the head. You'd have to be to knowingly do that in front of little kids.
As a young girl, Sabrina's such an inspiration for me. I want to feel sexy in my own body one day too. People are calling her a bad role model for young girls. Well, oh well, I look up to her. I'm still trying to fight the idea that if I get assaulted, perhaps my clothes would play a factor in it. When I see her being faced with criticism for what she wears and how she keeps on rolling with it? It makes me happy, and I want that for myself one day as I become an independent adult.
CLOCK ITTT
I feel the same way
Women with piercings and tattoos are less likely to get trafficked, so let's just tat and pierce it up, ladies
Oh shut that’s good to know
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Oh c'mon, I was singing S&M gleefully as a child while having no idea what it's about...
I knew that most songs are for adults and didn't care to actually listen, just like all my friends did back then.
It's like.. there're places where kids are not welcome for a reason
I think your point about the lack of teen media is really spot on!
as a teen, it’s all teen media targeted to adults . I’m fifteen and it shocked me to say that not everyone is having sex and wearing lingerie
Really I dont see the problem with kids hearing those kinds of songs, I feel like every generation has been listening to bad songs they werent supposed to be listening to 😂. I just think that kids arent really internalizing the lyrics the way we think they do. Like when I listened to anaconda, I just liked the beat and the vibes, and wasnt really thinking about it. Same with “take it off” by kesha or “shake it” I just loved the way the songs sounded, you know?
There are very few songs whose lyrics i internalize, and they’re always really emotional/beautiful kinds of songs. Music has multiple functions, some can be fun and funky, others can be lyrical masterpieces, they all deserve a place in our hearts
Wait a minute, so "shake it" is not about dancing...
This. When I was a kid songs like S&M or Anaconda or even Wrecking Ball were all over the radio. And guess what, I turned out fine. I didn't even realize what they were singing about at the time, I just thought it was catchy.
@@catvalentine4317 😂 yeah relistening to my childhood songs can be quite a shock sometimes
@@user74027nh for real, everyone takes this stuff too seriously
We're not just talking about her music. We're talking about the fact that she sells tickets to minors and then exposes them to her virtual porn act. She's one sick puppy.
The misogyny is still prevalent in the music industry. It is okay for male artists to affirm their sexuality on stage - and there is no criticism on how they are being bad role models for boys. Because men are allowed to be sexual; women cannot, which is absurd. Female sexuality should be valued, celebrated, and right for women to own, not demonized.
My teen kid very well knows about the sexual messaging in pop songs. 😂 They've chosen, on their own, to prefer classical and jazz! Maybe I'm just lucky, but I also think it has to do with being open and honest with your kids and having (age appropriate) CONVERSATIONS and... (Gasp) PARENTING your children. If you don't want them listening to something, have a conversation about WHY. It's really not hard. (Also, anyone else remember that Discovery Channel song? That was WILD that it was allowed on the radio! Sabrina is pretty tame compared to that.) ETA: when you have conversations with your children, they also might disagree with you because they are, believe it or not, their own individual people. Try to listen to them, and be patient with them instead of always being authoritarian. Kids who have parents who listen, are more likely to trust those parents and talk to them, instead of hiding things.
100% with you! Those conversations are very important and having that space of psychological safety so people feel they can broach "touchy" subjects is how kids/teens learn in a healthy environment otherwise that's where the secrets start, or worse, they go out and about ignorant to all sorts of things which winds them up in dangerous situations but they don't feel like they can call their caregivers because of the "consequences" back home
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Ben Shapiro reading the lyrics to WAP made me dry up like the Sahara
Hahahahaha my friends and I have long referred to being turned off as having a "Sahara moment"!
Thanks for the warning XD
I think that one of the things we don’t talk about as much is how exhausting it is to constantly be surveilled as a woman. Everything you do, say, wear, etc is scrutinized and you can’t do anything without SOMEONE having an opinion. And it starts young. So many women experienced having extremely strict upbringings while their male relatives could do whatever they want. The unintended consequence of this though is men feeling lonely and invisible because no one is ever actually engaging with them so no one truly benefits from this.
Yeah, I get you! Tbh, being raised to have to “act a certain way” while being told that I couldn’t do x,y,z action but my brother could was infuriating as a child.
I’m a young adult now, and I’ve realized my father is just not a good parent. Was sheltered about discussions involving s_x as well, which definitely had impacted me when I was a teen also.
The double standards honestly are so tiring to deal with. And yeah, it sucks that guys end up isolated. I wish more guys grew up with empathy though. Because that’s why I feel like we see horrid sh- in relation to people shitting on victims of SA, it’s horrible.
My question is, why don't parents check on the artist before showing them to their kids? Y'know, like what an ACTUAL parent does. Why do so many parents just not want to do their jobs?
My question is why does Sabrina Carpenter make her show all ages if she's going to do softcore porn on stage?
@@Mel-wn9gbMy question is why you’re so starved for pron that you’re fetishizing a pop star?
@@Mel-wn9gb what kinda softcore porn have you been watching? she literally wears regular performers' clothes and do very normal choreography. the sexual innuendos would go straight over your head unless you already know about them. if YOU see softcore porn in her performance, that says more about you than anything.
Most pop music is about sex and has been for generations, we just seem to forget everytime the new generation comes up with their own beats
Nowadays pop is about depression all thanks to Billie eilish
I was a preteen when Dirrty (Aguilera) was released and I remember watching the video and others like it, with a sense of empowerment. Thinking, "what a cool, badass woman".
And I understood that the image, the lyrics etc. were sexual. And I also understood that I "shouldn't" want to be like that, because then I would be a "bad girl".
But I still wanted that agency (whithout knowing what it was), confidence and power they exuded through the TV screen. They seemed to me to have sexual agency. And I didn't even know what that was nor that I was allowed to have it without shame.
I still find it funny just 1-2 years before Dirrty was released, I had a friend that said she liked Christina because she doesn't sing dirty lyrics. Her family moved away so by the time Dirrty came out, I wasn't in touch with her anymore. But immediately thought of her 😂 I hope she still likes listening to her lol I know I became a fan afterwards
as a teen who loves sabrina carpenter, i personally dress more modest and i don't curse, i don't drink, i don't have sex, and guess what. the artists i listen to sing about doing all those things!! does it effect what i do? no! why? it's how my *parents* raised me!! if a popstar is raising your kids, thats a parent problem.
THIS.
It's just the same "this literature is bad because it's not morally perfect!!" argument in a different shape
I love how blunt Sabrina is while still being extremely relatable and likable!
i think it’s important to note that she WAS a role model for my demographic (im 23) who grew up watching her on disney channel and watching her move to a solo career. she grew up at the same time i did in a lot of ways so of course she’s matured as she’s gotten older. she’s fully allowed to do that. i feel like it’s unfair to call her out on “problematic behaviour” when in reality she’s talking about a lot of the same things women in our demographic talk about. if that’s not for your children, then you have the ability to steer them to something different
her current music is not made for children. she never marketed herself as a children’s performer, at least not since she was on disney ages ago. when are we going to stop expecting grown adults to be “role models”? it’s weird to expect a stranger to be a role model for your kids, that’s your job as a parent. this narrative around female pop stars makes me irate 😅 also, it’s a parents job to screen an artist’s music before taking their kid to a concert. it’s wild to me that these kinds of people play victim and whine about an “inappropriate performance” when they were the ones who were too lazy to do their due diligence beforehand.
*woman exists*
Society: "how dare you?!"
Why do women exist just to be hated?
Loved that you included male artist in your "What about these songs collage."
Skinny Dipping isn't a sexual song. It's used more as a metaphor for wiping the slate clean.
I was more referencing that it was a title a song on the first album she made when she was out of Disney's clutches :)
I grew up during the Miley/Justin Bieber becoming of "controversial celebrities" and now as an adult it's so wild to see all the hate they got for just growing up in front of the entire world and having every "bad" thing they did being documented for the whole world to judge. Like Miley being overly sexual and Justin getting tattoos and doing drugs. And then I remember myself growing up and like.... I wouldn't even survive being a celebrity, I would go out to party every weekend and drinking and hooking up, basically exploring my own limits and desires consensually with other people, now imagine paparazzi following me around and taking photos. I would get cancelled in like 2 days haha. And I was also a bad friend often, which would get totally leaked to the public by someone and everyone would hate on me for doing x y z to someone or being two-faced, if I were a celebrity. Basically if you're a normal, flawed human being, you're still a bad role model to the public because a role model has to do absolutely nothing wrong EVER in order to be a role model. And I'm so glad Miley said she wasn't sorry about that photoshoot, like yes girl stand up for yourself! When Britney was criticised for doing nothing wrong, she had to apologise in front of the cameras in order to "redeem her image", in order not to get cancelled by the world. So I'm happy that Miley was able to see even then that forcing someone to apologise when they don't want to is unfair and toxic, especially if they didn't do anything criminal or morally wrong
I grew up with Brittney and Christina, so anyone that came out afterwards I would be like, "we're having this outcry again?!" I don't think "we can't stop" was as big of a shocker as "Dirrty" but I guess for a new generation 🤷♀️ just like going back to Fionna Apple's "criminal" seems so tame but she got the same heat for the video.
I also remember Vanessa Hudgens having to apologize for her nudes getting leaked 😳
No let’s have some nuance here. They were criticised because they used black culture as a way to not be seen as ‘pure’ anymore then completely discarded it later.
@@Imxel21 yes, also they were teens/tweens
Btw even her last two albums WITH disney were quite cheeky as well 😘
How you're not at 100k yet is beyond me. I've seen other successful YT video essayists name check you in videos too! You're on your way ❤ ETA vote blue 'Murrica 💙
Also first comment yay! Been a long time fan. Pray for your American cousins that we successfully elect Kamala next month! ❤️💙💙❤️
I don't get it either because all her videos are great
@@The_Late_Great_Hannibal_Lecteri think Kamala will win if it's fair. Have you heard of this petition Elon Musk is having people sign only in swing states? I'm concerned he's gonna use those signatures to fill out fraudulent ballots
My suspicion is the RUclips algorithm doesn’t promote feminist channels. It took literally years for me to find any feminist channels on RUclips. And even though I now subscribe to and like and comment on a few, I am still not suggested feminist channels. YT buries this kind of content.
@@RenataKleinRK yup that checks out!
There's a ragtime song called "My Girl's P**sy" from 1931.
1931.
I remember being a tween and big Britney fan worrying about my tween life. I just enjoyed the music and the dances and thought she was pretty because that's how you are at 10, 11, 12.
But because weird adults were obsessed with her in different ways, I was EXPOSED to concepts around sexuality I was light years from thinking about. The shocking stuff I saw was after 11pm on MTV with rap videos essentially (which I wasn't supposed to be watching of course). Let kids enjoy pop stars!
Thank you for bringing this up! I feel like kids are able to appreciate feminine beauty in a pure way. It’s adults and purity culture that make it seem perverse.
@@alyssapinon9670FRRR
The only legitimate criticism I've seen of Sabrina's lyrics is the weird racial fetishism in some of her improvised outros.
Yeah the BBC comment, which my green self who grew up in the UK knowing BBC as a news station had no idea about... 😐
What Lyrics??
That and that time she referenced Lolita in a photoshoot which was on very poor taste and kinda creepy
@@JellyOnAPancakeAyyyy “BBC said I should keep it PG/BBC I wish I had it in me.”
@@whatcanidooo It wasn’t her photoshoot. It was a photoshoot for W, and the photographer was in charge.
The whole photoshoot for W is online and there’s exactly one photo of her by the sprinkler. In the rest she is dry and fully dressed.
I don’t understand how the parents can see the marketing/ her aesthetic, she is basically wearing lingerie, why would they think it would be appropriate for their kids?! Just because it’s popular doesn’t mean it’s child friendly. 🤦
As a millennial parent, if I find an artist makes music I find too sexual for my young children... I don't let them listen. 🤦♀🤦♀ When I want to listen to music with profanity or sexual themes, I do it when they're at school or use headphones! This is not difficult 😂 Also not the end of the world if they do happen to hear something they don't fully understand in a song - I really appreciate the opportunity to discuss things with them!
Why wouldn't you want them to listen? It's not like they would understand......
@@steamboatwill3.367most people don’t feel comfortable with their child singing sexual innuendos.
@@bluud6 ) it's "innuendo"
@@steamboatwill3.367 and it’s “innuendo(s)” with an S because there would be more than one.
It's hilarious that people are offended by Sabrina because she seems so much more tame compared to other pop stars. Not that I have an issue with Britney or Christina, because I enjoy them all, but let's be for real. Purity culture is reaching.
Yeah i don’t think her songs are the sexual, maybe besides bed Chem and Juno. But other artists have songs that are just as sexual too??? To what’s the issue???
Lucille Bogan sang about sex really explicitly in the 1920s...
13:05 “besides Donald trump” made me laugh so hard
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Parents need to use their critical thinking skills for real. Just because a female pop artist wears pink sparkly outfits it does NOT automatically mean they cater to children. Sabrina Carpenter is not a children's act, Chappell Roan is not a childrens' act. Do these people even bother, I don't know, paying attention to the lyrics before buying tickets for their 6yos? And if the answer is no, how is that Sabrina's problem?
As a 22 yr old female, I am less uncomfortable with Sabrina and Tate being grown adult women and more uncomfortable with the idea that SOOO many young girls are allowed to listen to their music as it is not meant for children. Stop expecting everyone else in the world to raise your children! Pay attention to what they’re watching and be accountable!!
why shouldn't anyone be allowed to listen?
@@steamboatwill3.367 if you aren’t old enough to drive or have your period you shouldn’t be able to twerk and listen to music that’s verrrry inappropriate and about sex. No tween likes to hear this but it’s true it has been true for every generation before y’all and it’ll be true every generation after y’all. 13 yr olds today want to be famous and think they’re 22, you’re not. Every stage of your life you’re gonna think you know exactly what’s going on and have it all figured out but you never do. I’m 22 and I’m sure in 10 years I’m gonna think back to being 22 and how I didn’t know as much as I thought. Young teens and middle schoolers should not be singing “touch me and explore me, I’m so f***ing ho**y!”. There is music out there that is good and appropriate for younger people like Taylor swift for example. Just because something is on the radio doesn’t mean it’s for you. Not every pop artist is meant for children and they don’t have to be.
Those eighties and nineties songs were a great throwback to my youth! I also remember Tone Loc and 2 Live Crew, who were probably some of the worst. Of course, it's always only women who are criticized for what they wear, tattoo, pierce, say, do, where they go, who they date, how much they weigh, etc. I'm so tired of women always being held to impossibly high standards while "boys will be boys" seems to be the only standard for males, even the full-grown or even elderly ones.😒
P.S. Oh yeah, Kylie is the queen! I was about to go and check out her new album, 'Tension', when your video dropped. I'm very excited about it because the reviews are off the charts.🥰
Yep, I ran around at age 7 in 1989 singing, 🎶”Me Love You Long Time!” lol
it’s also crazy how parents come for girl or women stars as if they’re supposed to be perfect role model dolls. i remember my mom would ban me from watching hannah montana and bratz because she said the way they dressed acted was like a ‘hoochie mama’. i will give her one thing though,is that while she said this to me she didn’t go around saying it to everyone who would listen and commenting under posts about them. she just restricted whether i consumed that media or not which is exactly what these parents should be doing instead of making it the artists problem.
It's kind of insane she said that abput Hannah Montana since Disney literally made their stars do so much layering to avoid their outfits looking "scandalous"
This whole video was so profound. Thank you so much for bringing up the part about black women. We have such a painful past and often present. Often not being seen as little girls or as valuable women is so detrimental to well-being. This is why we are seen as strong and resilient. It's because we have to be not because we want to be.
She is inappropriate for young girls but young girls shouldn’t be listening to her songs to begin with. The problem is we don’t have much media that is appropriate for young people now days
I firmly believe, "You are the parent; if you dislike it, don't let your child partake." My mom watched and listened to EVERYTHING before I could. She'd record live TV shows and cartoons onto VHS to watch before I could. My cousin only lets her sons have online time when they can be watched. They turn their phones in at bedtime. She has apps to see everything they watch and checks in weekly to ensure nothing breaking the rules is watched during school. Is it extreme, yes, but if she can do it to an extreme any parent can do it to some extent. It is NEVER an artist's fault for what YOU let your child partake in. Take responsibility for your own inaction and lack of parenting.
That sounds overly controlling.
@@steamboatwill3.367 It definitely was, but if someone can be over the top helicopter mom they certainly can watch their kid enough to not allow them to indulge in things they deem inappropriate. It is always on a parent to parent, not an artist to change their art.
@@steamboatwill3.367it’s their kid
I was a child/preteen during the era where Miley Cyrus was all over disney channel and she started getting backlash for that Vanity Fair photo shoot where she had the towel on and then she transitioned into her "Can't Be Tamed" era (which looking back in hindsight was childs play in comparison to her "Bangers" era), me and my sister were also watching Zoey 101 and that was also around the time Jamie Lynn got pregnant. I have clear memories of my parents sitting me and my sister down and lecturing us about why Jamie Lynn and Miley Cyrus were like terrible people or something🤷🏾♀️🤷🏾♀️ and how sex is bad but only if you're a girl and unmarried. I can understand why parents may want to start having conversations with their kids about sexuality around a certain age; when they are consuming certain media but the way that my parents did it back then, all it did was make me internalise blatent misogyny that I spent years unlearning.
And granted I do not have children in this day and age, and a lot has changed since I was like 11. But the best that I could probably do as a parent is just try my best to explain things in an appropriate way for young people to digest without outwardly and exclusively demonising women's sexuality.
Fellow tinnitus girlie here. ❤ so sorry . Sometimes gently massaging my temples and the sides of my head calms a spike down, but it never goes away. I hope you’re feeling better!
I grew up with her on Girl Meets World--it's been years. She is older, world needs to get over it, lmao. It's literally fine if teens and young adults have songs with suggestive titles or lyrics to digest, especially when they are learning about puberty and going through it--and while the market audience isn't kids, even if they hear it kids won't know what it even is and can fairly easily be told something else. (Thought the song was "The internet is for Pork" was the song for years thanks to my Mother's white lie, lol...) I say this as a young adult who had siblings 7, 10, and 12 years older than me growing up around me, and was singing Red Hot Chilli peppers at like...4.
Like it's been 10 years
As someone who's raising a daughter I'm working so hard not to pass on the internalized misogony that I grew up with.
As a dude, women should be able to do what they want without feeling like they hold the reputation of women as a whole. Every woman is different.
You know a criticism of her that makes me irrationally angry? People claiming she’s infantilising herself. The ONLY things that’s “childlike” about her is her height. People think a short blonde white woman should be for kids “just because” and then they don’t have any arguments as to why and how she’s both infantilising AND oversexualising herself. I hate it. She’s just a woman? She’s a short 25 year old woman making fun songs? Leave her BE!
I was hoping you would also mention Its Raining Men and Let’s Get it On as some from even earlier, its always been a topic of contention and music has always been a place to express the vulgar and emotional, from your distaste with your country / war / the world to what / who / how you love.
Even just looking at Justin Timberlake ripping open Janet Jackson’s wardrobe at the super bowl, and HER GETTING THE BACKLASH and basically shamed out of the industry is enough to show that level of double standard there
You mean Janet Jackson.
ok and her audience (including me) GREW UP WITH HER AND ARE NOW IN HIGH SCHOOL, EVEN COLLEGE!
I need a short history. I understand when parents are like this with artists who do a HUGE branding 360, but it almost seems like Sabrina was gradually phasing out of her teen celebrity phase for half a decade.
This! Any child fans she had during Disney are now teens and adults so it makes no sense to get mad at her for no longer being child friendly
@@awhimsyreader9015 yes, and seeing that she was only a supporting actress on Girl Meets World, her presence and impact wasn’t that big in comparison to even the Descendants . But I will say, the Gen Z star with funniest transition from child actor to mature entertainment was Zendaya doing it twice in half a decade. 1. 1 “Disney to this (HBO’s Euphoria)” and “The Spider-Man movies to the Tennis movie” and parents weren’t betrayed by that. More so the Gen Z audience were 🤣
yeah this is what's so weird to me. Sabrina may have been a Disney kid, but she was never at the level of Miley Cyrus where she would've attained a massive tween/teen audience. She only blew up over the last few years, and she was well into her twenties, singing about adult relationships at that point. Not sure where all this fuss is even coming from.
About treatment of teenagers - I think teenagers are treated like adults or children based purely on the convenience of the adults around them. When they’re struggling to regulate their emotions they need to grow up, when they’re curious they need to stop trying to grow up. When something needs done they should know how and take initiative but god forbid they have opinions about how things should be done. You can’t be unattractive but you can’t be attractive, which is a losing game of contradictions that adults force them to play before their time. I could go on but I truly think it’s the worst age I’ve ever been because of this bs. And to make it worse the worst thing you can do is point out the unfairness of it!
Sabrina is the MOMENT. Period Signed, a millennial parent
I will never understand why grown women are always being questioned on their “role” as a role model that part where you talked about Jake Paul being a part of the Disney Channel really just made me mad because Disney never questioned Jake Paul as a role model until it started costing them money anddddd they would NEVER give a girl who was/is doing the things Jake was/is doing her own show these standards that a woman must always be non sexual but desirable is unrealistic, gross, and dehumanizing at its core
I think entertainers should be able to express themselves however they want. I just hope that young women don't feel like they HAVE to dress and act sexy if they want to be famous, because there does seem to be that expectation in the industry.
Sabrina tried to make it for years in this industry. She only got big when she started acting like a porn star. There you go. That's the actual sexism here. At the same time, women need to resist that pressure, not get down on all fours and expose our crotches for the man out of our own self interest, and then cry 'sexism'. At that point, you're a part of the problem.
Idk... Personally when I was a child I laughed at people that people found Brittany Spears so abhorrent but then I got a little older and worked in the same industry for about a decade and now I think it's kinda fucked up that a team of people helped a really young, vulnerable person get to the point of having irreversible mental damage, which includes the early childhood sexualization I think. Doing that for prophet is evil. Do you really think all of that was her will?
Again "criticizing Brittany Spears for daring to incorporate her sexuality". She was dressed up as a cheerleader, in a highschool dancing up on grown ass men with muscles and facial hair as a teenager. Why is she suddenly a convenient symbol? Did everyone tire of gossiping about her problems? Cause it's all connected yo
"Criticizing Britany for expressing her sexuality" na they where on some Nickelodeon bullshit, she's not your token. She was dressed symbolically as a high schooler dancing on grown ass men with muscles and facial hair. You don't remember how crazy it was back then?
It's just so annoying. It's like you're saying her issue is that haters where hating and not that her sexualization was directly linked to her exploitation. So you're defending the team of people who did that to her.
@@cookingwithsilencewhat’s interesting is that Britney felt “The Onyx” tour (her highest paid one)was too sexual. So even she had limits
@@christinebelzie194I feel like many lines where crossed, over a very crucial time where crossed and applauded. And I lived through this era of unfortunate girls leaving in cars with men after school, never to be the same again and men in suits sniffing after the boys in schools to ship them off to feed a war machine. People from this era have lost to many young women and men to think what she did, at her age, and given the context was alright... It was insanity.
Fr. At ten years old I thought the saying was “sticks and stones may break my bones, but chains and whips excite me”, and was confused when someone said “words will never hurt me”. I don’t think a Rihanna song corrupted me, and Sabrina’s music wouldn’t have turned me into a heathen either. If I listened to it as a tween, I probably just would’ve learned the definition of the word “horny”, and maybe felt a little more normal hearing someone actually talk about it.
The intro is EVERYTHING AHAHA brilliant 👏 stick it to the hypocrites!!!
2:06 omg the y2k and 80s pop scene makes Sabrina carpenter singing “I’ll tell everyone you finish your chores prematurely” in Good Graces sound like Kidz Bop lyrics 😭
I love Sabrina! No men are being called out when they say anything explicit, and she’s extremely clever and is an incredible writer. Don’t like it! Too damn bad, accept it and get over it.
Songs you picked for this were perfect and soooo enjoyable! Flashbacks! 🎉❤
Loved this video! Your words ring true in so many ways. Hope you get some relief and rest. 💋
If i didnt want my kids to be influenced by celebrities i would limit the kids internet access, not attack the celebrity. Kids dont really know what the lyrics mean anyway and if they wanted to dress like her than where would they even get the clothes too, unless they stole my credit card or if they had an allowance than bought something without my permission but i wouldnt allow them to. And there are plenty of adults who like people like Sabrina Carpenter so it just wouldnt be fair attacking the artist herself
Oh no...a 25 year old owning her sexuality...world needs to grow up.
I'm turning 28 and knew who Kylie Minogue was but since I'm American, didn't see/hear much of her stuff.
Totally agree that Sabrina shouldn't be criticized this much and also agree that there's not really a teen market these days💋
My own mother took me to a Little Richard concert when I was twelve because she had grown up listening to him and felt his lyrics were more wholesome than other artists in her own time. LMAO. I now realize she just didn't understand anything he said
Rappers talking about sex, drugs, violence and disrespecting women isn’t a bad role model for boys, but Sabrina Carpenter singing about not letting men mistreat her and having good sex is a bad role model? If that isn’t evidence of societal views on women then I don’t know what it is.
This smacks of “how dare you empower my daughters by living your best life!”
EDIT: oh my god, the demeaning nonsense that Britney was put through during her career is INSANE. What the actual f*ck? How this woman has any sanity left I don’t know.
Make a playlist with all of the songs you showed
I'm really glad you mentioned that there is no content for teens. I'm not a parent, but I have to think it's incredibly difficult to stop your teen from listening to the top music on social media lmao the kid could be watching a nail polish or cooking video and hear the song. Parents aren't able to stop that. Like be for real lmao
Also Christina Aguilera's Stripped is an incredible, vulnerable album, but her team led with Dirty bc they were trying to compete with Britney and other sex symbols of the time. Its all business, and rarely do these stars have a say over what makes them popular. Too much blame is being put on parents and performers. Buyers are the ones asking for this and the music industry happily gives them what they want: half naked, sexy humans with talent
She is 25. She's an adult, singing abput adult relationships. If you don't want your kids to listen to her then monitor what they listen too and have an open conversation about why it's not appropriate for them. It's not that big of a deal.
And Sabrina can also take responsibility for herself by making her virtual sex show adults only.
@@Mel-wn9gbor parents can get control on their kids? some of Sabrina’s old songs are kid friendly (since she was younger when she created them) so it’s understandable how kids can like her music, but fun fact, it isnt her fault when parents can’t say no to their children. get a grip
How did I only find this insightful content now!? Love this woman!!!
14:50 The vanity fair cover was shot in 2008 when she was only 15. So she really was a child.
I think it’s funny you used I Touch Myself by the Divynls as an example of sexy music from the past because Taste by Sabrina Carpenter reminds me of that song.
Lol Push It was the song for my first cheerleading routine when I was literally 5 years old
your videos always make me smile and feel better that there are people talking about topics i wish were more talked about ❤
Can we please just be realistic about expectations and LET WOMEN LIVE!? Also I’m from the USA and we don’t learn shit in school about American history. I know more about how our debt was paid off for like 3 days by Andrew Jackson 100 years ago and nothing about what we did to the people who had this land before colonists showed up. I don’t even understand taxes, this is America🤦♀️
Edit:💋 I haven’t listened to Sabrina’s music so I’ll check it out
19:50 YES!! Sabrina really does remind me of a cheekier Gen Z equivalent to 00s Kylie Minogue, both in terms of music and stage presence! I feel so validated in my opinion now, I thought I was the only one to notice the similarities as well!
"X artist has become more sexual and therefore is bad for young girls"
is really just
"the younger generation is fully adults who are comfortable in their sexuality and that makes US uncomfortable... so they should cut it out rn"
love you Bryony! thank you for another lovely video 💋💋💋💋