3D Printed RNVGs: The LLI Aeturnus
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- Опубликовано: 1 сен 2022
- The Low Light Innovations Aeturnus is a new 3D printed non-articulating binocular night vision housing. The housing takes PVS-14 optics and intensifier tubes, and weighs very slightly less than the RNVG housing. I got one so I could see how annoying it was to have binocular night vision without articulation.
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Instead of buying NVGs, I'm going to live at the North Pole for half the year and the South Pole for the other half. No need for night vision if it's never night!
U would probably save money with that plan verses buying nods
@@russellmurphy1359 beat me to it lol
Step it up to the thermal game gang
As Brandon Herrera said “Or invest in a $200 parachute flare and make everything daylight for 45 seconds. WWI tactics coming back to relevance.”
You could probably do that for like 10 years and the total cost including travel and equipment would be cheaper than a decent grade gen 3 PVS14 in 2022
It looks like a SLS print so it’s definitely going to be tough. There are many methods of 3d printing if you didn’t know. SLS or (Selective Laser Sintering) it’s probably the strongest of those currently available. It might also be better than aluminum at absorbing shock when dropped or bumped.
Thank you based plastic man
It's MJF Nylon not SLS.
Its definitely SLS, likely nylon. I use that stuff at work all the time on uas and robot dogs and its pretty amazing. The only time I ever see nylon SLS fail is when its a catastrophic failure, usually of the whole system but that's also by design. I want certain parts to break if enough force is exerted because I'd rather have a $20 SLS part break rather than deforming a $4k vehicle chassis if that part were aluminum.
@@Hoplopfheil Thanks for the kind words, dark vision chad.
@@warden504 sls is not a material type. It is a printing method. You can dozens of different materials on an sls printer. Including many many different types of nylons.
Hop, using/keeping a plastic 3D printed housings.
Alright. That's it. Evidence he's been bought out. It was a good run.... :(
Big Ender got to me
If this was a movie, you guys could find a way to rekindle the bromance, and have a happy ending. 😛
Who bought out the evidence?
Never thought I'd live to see the day where Hop messes with anything 3D printed.
To be fair he did have the 3d printed followers in his not-a-ump vid
I can see him doing 3d printed firearms accessories 👀
everything is technically 3D printed
@@swide2750 not really
3d printing is such a wide term though. Sure it can mean the plastic dick shaped tire stems that melt at anything over 90 degrees, but it could also mean the oxidizer valves used for a fuckin Falcon 9 Merlin rocket engine lol. Vast degrees in difference of quality here lol
It really comes down to the geometry. What you can physically cut into a chunk of aluminum might not be the strongest possible design for something. A lot of geometries can only be made additively. You can also iterate very quickly, so flaws get ironed out faster.
Never expected to see something 3D printed here but cool to see either way
Hah hah
@teebles Hop is my favorite gun reviewer
I've asked this on 5 separate occasions over the last year but Mac daddy video when?
👀 ayo
The price of image intensifiers is just nuts man. Working on piecing a set together. But I'm gonna have to sell my son's kidney for known good intensifiers.
You’re a good father. He’ll understand
trying the same, but in Germany that's a bitch and a half right now
Let me know where I can do that. Both of mine work well all things considered and I've got bills to pay.
He has two, unless you already sold one to get ammo during the shortage a few years ago. Like someone already pointed out, he will understand. Lol
Pretty sure Europeans aren't allowed to have that which the supreme leader says you can't. Which sometimes is even butter knives 🤣
I'd like to express how grateful we the viewers are that you've got to such lengths to try out so many "budget" options for night vision. Really showing exactly why kit does or doesn't work, instead of just defaulting to "cheap BAD".
I'd never heard of the Aeternus before your video, but did some digging and talking with other users and builders, and came to the conclusion that this housing is the one for me. Apparently, LLI have a lifetime warranty on this housing, and just recently started a program to trade in any LLI housing, regardless of age or condition, to put that value towards any of their in house options. I see a company that stands behind it's product and embraces the cutting edge of manufacturing tech, and I had to support it.
Anyways, thanks for the video Hop.
Hop, you’re just ASSUMING I have a human face.
Did you just assume my species?!
Specisim makes me sick
@@newerest1 🤣
I'm watching hop more than tfb these days.
Absolutely loved my Aeternus unit and am happy to now have a LLUL-21 for testing. Low Light Innovations and their staff are doing great things and have absolutely great customer service
always enjoy the night vision content, Shooting under NVG's isn't a cheap thing so its always nice to have a decent source of knowledge on NV stuff that isn't stupid expensive. Also nice to know where I should just bite the bullet and spend the extra money to save headaches and time.
Hey brother great work. Your reviews are some of the best on you tube. Your technical expertise is 🔥
I use a Mod3B housing with a Norotos AKA2 mount. Reason I mention this is because it has a "mid stow" position that is halfway up. This is nice because it allows you to flip fixed bridge binos like the Mod3 and Aeturnus up out of your view, but not necessarily all the way on top of your helmet. It still has the fully stowed position, but its like a Rhino as far as positioning goes. The mid stow doesn't move a goggle up above the top of your helmet line, but it does stick out way forward on your head.
I have an aeternus from LLI and i am very impressed with the unit.
A very articulate review of non-articulating nvgs.
I have one and must stress the following!
There is a second generation of this with an on off button, no knob.
The finish was way rougher, alot of glue and the threads were positively BAD.
I told my builder to instead use the old gen (the one in this video)
I had issues with the first gen, sent it back and LLI swapped it to a gen 2 housing. I've had absolutely zero issues with the gen 2 thus far.
I have a 2nd gen as well an it is flawless
. I love the button over the knob
@@ILikeThis12Gauge I've talked with the owner multiple times, the man is a genuine bro and has taken care of me. Issues he's corrected without hesitation. There certainly has been issues but I think they are well on thier way to great things.
Interesting to hear that there are multiple experiences. I must say that LLI is indeed a very consumer friendly company.
I guess it comes down to personal preference between the gen 1 and gen 2 :)
It's nylon, so you should be wary about water absorption, so weather conditions for prolonged use and especially storage.
It won't leak it in directly in the rain, but it will absorb moisture over time and condensate it inside, so storing in dry conditions is a must.
So much like with Katana but it's not an issue with normal use and storing.
It is very rugged tho. As all (?) printed housings from trusted guys/more known civilian manufacturers.
Collimation is far from perfect, but that's an issue with all non-OG housings and honestly is hard to notice in normal use.
Lack of illuminator doesn't matter at all, just as you said.
Collimation is far from perfect?
Send it back to the vendor that built yours then. Collimation is the process of getting the ocular lenses adjusted to the same focal plains. It’s not an inherent feature of a housing (any quality housing such as this needs to be collimated by the person who assembles it).
Yo LLI is a solid company! Hyped to see you reviewing one of their products!
Introduction of less expensive nv into the market is a win for everyone, even if its not your preference
It’s interesting you talk about articulation being a reason one should forgo RNVGs. I would agree that articulation is something that should convince you to just throw down the extra cash, but then I learned of the RPNVGs. Panning RNVGs sold by Steele Industries that can get you 60 degrees of FOV out of a dual tube set up, and they have a lot of really fascinating features. A brand new guy on RUclips just three first real “review” of RPNVGs since they are so new, you should go look at them Hop.
RPNVGs housinga are manufactured by AB Night Vision (who also make the RNVG housing among other things). The housings are available to any builder who wants to buy and use them, Steele is just one of many.
@@halolvr101 I am aware, Steele happens to be the ones primarily selling them and offering conversion services.
Cool to see more relevant 3D printed housings, another material i wanna see more of is Magnesium alloy, lighter than aluminum but still super strong
I love my aeternus. Awesome unit and LLI was fantastic to deal with .
Saving up for the RPNVGs. Game changer
PYRM RULES! I went from a wilcox clone mount to the Rhino 2 with the PYRM and wow is it great.
I hope theres more innovation in NODS like this that will eventually bring the cost of ownership down. Probably not though.
The low light digital camera technology is helping, I think
Eh I don’t doubt eventually night vision will become ubiquitous and cheap. Pros about decades away but still.
A year later, I would say definitely do not sleep on 3D printing. The new filaments that have come out in the last couple of years are really tough stuff and will only get better as time goes on.
very cool. as always tons of info always learning something.
Goodest info from the goodest boy 🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸🇺🇸
330,000,000 poople in the USA times 0.02579% = 85,107 people = the number subs to this channel who sometimes pay attention to this shit.
That's good news cuz imagine if everyone had nods during SHTF...
Not everyone thats subbed is from the USA. :)
@@zorngottes8591 I'm going to name my next cat after you.
Plastics have definitely come a long way, especially in the 3D printing world as it relates to firearms. Hoffman tactical has really been on top of the list when it comes to 3D printed AR-15 and AR-10 lowers. It's pretty amazing just how strong some of these plastics are and the amounts of pressure they can withstand. Although I didn't expect Hop to throw his NV unit around, it would have been a confidence builder to see him roll down the hill with it on. Lol. Jk Hop. Cheers
OK this is very slick, I need to get back to my cascade build plans.
I’ve been running a set of RNVGs for about a year now and I’ve kind of learned how to deal with non-articulation; to deal with the high stowing of the unit I keep them down and push them up so they’re in-line with my forehead, to keep situational awareness and being able to do non nv related tasks I run my unit all the way out on a G24 so I can shoot the gap easily to check my phone or even shoot a pistol using white light. The RNVG isn’t the best housing out but I’d say they’re not awful. With that being said though I do want articulation for using thermal.
Thank you for the heads up on this option
Thank you for not putting an apostrophe in the title 👌
Good ole hop. Cheap guns and pricy gear. A man after my own heart.
19.05 oz is more than the Nocturn Katana, another 3D printed minimalist housing, which come in at 17.7 oz, and actually DO have articulating eyepieces.
I almost went with the Aeturnus before deciding on dual PVS-14s on a piano bridge. I can share with a friend when I want to BS and watch the stars, but I also found it cheaper to get dual 2500 FOM L3 WPs in my config. LLI didn't offer L3s at the time and wouldn't let me pick the Elbit WP tubes which could have been as low as 1400 FOM.
Just got my first gen 3 device. Man it’s insane
Can u pls make vids on them!!!
I bought 1 pvs14, year later bought another made binos!! Congratulations!!
Gun meme review and a hop video same day? I better go get a lotto ticket, days this good are rare
"My _small truck_ is _just_ tall enough to fit me (a fairly large guy) and my _night vision_ "
USA USA USA
I have been watching this channel for so long I forgot about the dude with the tight shorts and the other youtube channel entirely
Awsome review
try the cadex low profile mount, it has 2 more ticks of vertical adjustment up and down so i can keep my rnvg (which is about the same height of the aeternus) extended but above my eyes if i need to look at something else or prevent dew. it does cover a little of upward fov
It looks great
That’s pretty cool. I don’t know much about NVGS, but I am in the market now that I have a cushion saved up.
I do follow MK machining, and they do some pretty good printing jobs. It looks like they are using the same machines.
Kool video. Not trying to start an argument, but, 😁 the on board illuminate is a must.
This is so cool I want to make one
Two nocturn tanto with rpo optics is more flexible on panobridge and probably same weight.
With those NVGs
Can't you see
What that woman
Has been doing to me
Good info, thanks.
What happened to the new company ir laser/ light review yesterday?
Which one?
I bought myself a 3D printed Tanto housing from nocturn industries. the reason I go with that one is because I live in Germany and buying prebuilt devices like a pvs-14 would cost me around 4.5k euros (which is pretty bs if you ask me for a gen2+ device probably non mil-spec). I.e I have to build it myself and this is where 3D devices are pretty attractive. Housings can be exported from the US as opposed to fully built devices and IITs. I have to source an IIT locally but for the same money I can have something performing way better.
would you want to review some of those as well? Katana, Tanto etc.
I wish I was as baller as you to go playing in the desert with nods... Big sad 😔
I have a spare, C.
@@Hoplopfheil don't tease me! They might flag these comments!
You can tease me...
@@SamSung-jn5fi 😍
Thanks king!
This is badass
It looks to me like an Adams industries Sentinel copy without the two illuminators, one of which was a long range illuminator, and was pretty cool back before Adams Industries went out of business.
Well considering the Sentinels were ruggedized ANVIS, and the RNVG are ruggedized Sentinels...
I’d love to see a review of the of the llul 21, im buying their housing
Pretty cool
I enjoy the work that you do man but I have a question it'd be interesting to hear your opinion on why you prefer or recommend the AR-15 over the 8K I know you do a lot of night vision stuff and shooting with suppressors but it'd be interesting to hear your opinion on the matter between those two platforms
It probably comes down to a few reasons. ARs are far more common in the US so parts availability is insane compared to AKs, they're far more modular, and you can get a decent AR-15 built to your own specifications for far cheaper than an AK. That's all guesses though we'll see if he responds himself.
@@JMLueckeA7Xhop absolutely despises AKs, as do I.
I guess maybe for a "loaner build", but at that price point, two PVS-14s in a panobridge would probably a better solution overall
This would be much lighter, you'd also will not have it collimated (assuming bino is built by somone who can do it)
@@Nathan-jh1ho I don't care much if my loaner set isn't the lightest, though. With a panobridge, I can have wider FOV, or split it into two monos, set one of the PVS-14s on a tripod for recording, etc...
have fun turning both your units on individually and you cant look through your optic
@@butterdogmilsimgroup I already have collimated duals. If the loaner set can't go passive, it is what it is
@@butterdogmilsimgroup shut up shill
How would weigh a oano set up like the rpnvg vs a set of articulating nvgs?
Thanks that was fun
Any initial thoughts on the new Neontac NT-14 monocular that just dropped? It’s great seeing 3D printed innovations making NV more affordable.
articulate deez
Pretty cool. Im just assuming its more for hardcore guys that are min-maxing for some purpose. Sick idea though. Maybe its just head of the current tech
Out of curiosity what would be the cheapest way to get good nvgs?
Not looking for top end, just something I can use ever so often at milsim events.
Cheapest would probably involve buying a used omni class tube.
Stealing
I live near the LLI guys, they beat the shit out of it and the housings dope
Dang hop, 3d printed nvgs? I gotta try some
"...because if you're not smart enough to find them, I don't think I want you following me anyway."
LOL
If you were trying to get the best possible night vision as a starter first timer but wanting to get the absolute least expensive as possible what would you recommend? Even allowing this 3-D printed possibility.
Getting the best night vision and getting it for cheap are mutually exclusive. You get what you pay for. That being said some night vision is better than no nightvision, get a pvs14 with Gen 3 tubes with green phos intensifiers. Later on you can upgrade the tube to white or sell the whole unit to fund duals
I'm going to give you some advice...NV is cool and it is useful, but it pails in comparison to thermals. Spend $2500 and buy a FLIR Breach. Its tiny and helmet mountable. A $2500 NV device is likely shit tier quality. Expect to spend AT LEAST $3K for something just breaking into the realm of good quality when it comes to night vision. And that's just a monocular. $6K would be an extremely cheap price for bino NVGs.
Then there's all the other bullshit you have to buy in order to use it. Helmets, mounts, battery packs, wires, IR lasers, weapon mounts, etc. The device is cheap when you add up all the costs for what you need to make it truly useful. Just a good mount will set you back $500.
You can hide from night vision pretty easily. It is super fucking hard to hide from thermal imaging. Yes, it doesn't see through glass, but NV doesn't do so hot in that scenario either. If you want to be able to see everything at night, then thermal imaging is where its at.
BNVD 1431 MK ii
Any chance of review on the nocturn industries katana or tanto?
The more and more I see stuff like this the more I want to get back into CAD, buy the software and get a 3d printer before I dive back into machining. Where should a beginner start?
How much money do you have for a printer?
More of this please
Hey hop that helmet looks like the Avon N49. What helmet cover is that? I’m finding it hard to find helmet covers made for the helmet specifically
Agilite. As far as I know it's the only option that properly fits the ULW
@@Hoplopfheil thanks👍 all the ones I’ve used always fit a little wonky.
As a normal, neurotypical person who has a family and no NVGs, what disadvantage if any is there to simply using one tube on your off-eye full-time to make up for the lack of articulation?
i do not have the money for NVGs, but boy i need one
That seems much much lighter than standard stuff
yeah the full 750 thing is dumb. sell just the lenzes and parts and let ppl print the body themselves. 750 is still a 200% markup. on the non printed parts alone.
Should I get this, or a GPNVG-18?
Nah man, I went from articulation to ABnightvision RNVGs. Articulation is cool until your shit breaks. Then your out nods for weeks. Plus, every single one of my dudes that have dtnvs don’t even fold them to the side. They go straight up. That’s all I ever did as well. I’d take the durability of RNVGs over any articulation any day now.
What happened that broke your DTNVS unit. Please give more detail.
Would be sick of someonne released opensource pvs14 compatible housings. I've got access to a shitton of intensified, lens assemblies, etc, but the housings are the biggest pain
Combine this with "S2 Underground- Homemade Pvs-14" to become the larplord
Why is everyone talking about Night Vision Goggles's housing in a video about Eotech's first holographic sight?
Where do you think you are
Any opinion on their articulating housing?
aaaand out of stock, it might be grandiose, but i imagine this video did its job.... realy quickly.
I had a katana and moved to the RNVG for reliability.
With the G24 it's fairly easy to use the mount to keep the RNVG in a half stow, or tilt the nods to make it easy to look under them.
I don't feel like I've lost any useful features, IPD is less "easy" to set but it's basically a one and done deal.
I'm not convinced that articulation is worth the decrease in durability.
Ill never understand this, your tubes are the most fragile part of the NOD’s and switching to RNVGs dont change that. You are giving up really nice features for a massive “what if” that hardly every happens. If it does happen its just a new housing not an entire new set of tubes. If articulating NOD’s were so weak you wouldn’t see SOCOM using them in theatre
@@totenfurwotan4478 there’s plenty of pictures of sheared PVS-31s lmao. Please trust me as a mechanical engineer, the housing is going to be see a LOT more stress than the intensifier, and that pivot point is absolutely a stress concentrator. The only reason operators use articulation is for when they’re doing close up work like map reading or medical treatment
@@slavsupreme5129 lol I’m a mech eng too that doesn’t make your correct because you saw 5 pictures of 31As broke online. I’ve seen soldiers break a fucking ma deuce. To give up the significant quality of life improvements of articulating binos for the off chance to do something so astronomically stupid you break your housing… is just foolish. Just get the housing replaced and it’s solved.
@@totenfurwotan4478 it’s a simple fact that a hinge like is on the 15s or 31s is going to be an inherently weaker design compared to a solid block of 7075 or 6061 aluminum lmfao. Like I said, the ONLY reasons for articulation is if your going to be doing things in close proximity to yourself, or if for some reason you briefly want a monocular type setup which 99% of the time you won’t be doing. Find me a picture of a broken RNVG housing please. If you’re putting enough force onto a unit to the point you are able to break an intensifier tube through pure shock, I’d be willing to wager you were going out of your way to do some absolute dumb shit to it
Would be better if it used a AA battery format. My issued pvs 14s worked great on a single one (24 hours) & AAs ara way easier to get than cr123s down range.
Nobody is using these down range.
@@Hoplopfheil True. My point about AAs being easier to find, still stands.
so what you're saying is that this setup is perfect for someone running a 4 inch barrel barrel .300 blackout getup for self defense
Why is this 3D printed? Wouldn’t CNC or moulded be stronger/cheaper/faster to build at more than 100 units?
Stronger sure. Cheaper? Lol
where is the video of it getting printed???
where can i find an intensifier tube for less than 2-3K?
eBay
what about those augmented reality goggles. they are supposed to be pretty good for night vision and some other things. personally I do not know, I just heard about them. and they are way way out of my budget they are about 3.5K
would this be considered better or worse than pvs69 gen 3s
the 3D printed plastic housing is $750!?!?!? (NV is too spicy for my wallet)
There's wires and stuff in there
@Wendigoslayer Vitamin A is good for your eyes but the myth that carrots improve your vision is at least someone fabricated by the British in WW2 as propaganda to hide the fact that they had radar technologies! Fun lil fact!
So far they’re the only reputable seller that offers stuff like affirm and shop pay for payment plans, that’s a bit funny
Can I get a pair in pekk?
Try the PVS 69 next!
all I could remember from this video is "big guy" and "for you"
How much was it total once all assembled to work ?
Impossible to say since since the tubes were harvested from my old set and doesn't reflect the cost of new tubes
@@Hoplopfheil ahh okay thank you I’ll stick to carrots for rn