I know that the movie footage was distorted to avoid getting dinged by copyright bots but I just imagined that since it takes place in England everybody actually looks like that.
_"The Docks, better known as: The Docks,"_ continues to be my favorite running gag. Still one of the best in the game; never stop bringing critical eyes to eurojank and lesser known games.
I am not diminishing the effort nor effect of the longform Yakuza series, nor necessarily pigeon holing your content into niche, AA/A+ games long gone. Just love your pen game and editing.
See the fear mechanic is actually very accurate, in fact; you played a video of it earlier. That scene where the guys are throwing chairs at each other, but won't fully commit to a real fight, so they just end up going back and forth. 100% working as intended.
if you gave me fifty guesses as to what this game's intended soundtrack would've been, i'm almost certain i never would've guessed "indistinguishable from killing floor's"
@@gabby3036 I think it might be nu-metal instead of death metal, but it's still a song about how abortion is bad and that prayer shouldn't be banned in school, produced specifically for the Killing Floor 2 OST. It's Dirge by Disunion Reconstructed.
I like to imagine that the gameplay is just the lads embellishing their stories to Clive Darren, hence the high number of deaths and victories against overwhelming odds.
You know, I always thought the whole "orks are just football hooligans" thing was a joke. Hearing all this stuff about actual hooligans I now realize it wasn't a joke. The resemblance is uncanny, except orks seem more eloquent in their language
40K originated in satire - it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. The whole thing is a big joke poking fun at war games, sci-fi and British culture. The Orks are indeed based upon football hooligans. The Space Marines are mocking hyper-masculine action heroes, while much of the Imperium is mocking Britain's somewhat xenophobic attitude towards immigration and confident sense of national superiority. That's how it started, anyway. The satirical elements have been slowly forgotten in more recent decades in the name of making more money. Games Workshop still gets to cry 'its satire!' whenever actual literal nazis start adopting the iconography of the Imperium though.
@@vylbird8014 I'm well aware. I was just trying to joke that I thought the idea of orks being hooligans was a wild exaggeration, but that after seeing what hooligans get up to (real and in this game, I don't really follow football) it seems to be less a satirical joke and more of a statement of fact.
@@vylbird8014 satire is not the right word and games workshop shouldn’t use it as a defense in the context of modern lore. You don’t need to tell someone that that the empire in starwars is satire and shouldn’t be followed, they are the bad guys. Everyone in 40k is the bad guy. You’d have to be stupid to think any of them are right except maybe the nids, because the sentient life in the 40k universe needs to die.
The McDonald's and Pokémon in the FMV aren't what surprised me the most in terms of copyrighted elements, it's the implication that the surviving members of Queen may have authorised the use of their songs for the chants on the loading screens
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 If that actually were to have happened, it still wouldn't be the weirdest video game thing to involve Brian May, given how he actually agreed to compose a track each for two of the worst fighting games in history, Rise of the Robots and Rise 2: Resurrection, the latter of which isn't even used in the game itself but is included in the disc anyway.
This game truly embodies what I love about 2000s shovelware, it's not particularly well made but its experimental, has a ton of charm and wears its heart on its sleeve. So many games like this released back then, games that kinda sucked but were carried by the love and passion they exude, games that feel like they were made by real people and not thought up and iterated in a board room. I love that you put a spotlight on games like this as well as the other assorted Eurojank, it really takes me back to a time when I could grab a random game off the shelf and wind up with some fascinating new experience
I think the reason why Football Hooliganism isn't in more games is because it requires game makers to know more about sports and ones who do know about sports are too busy making actual sport games
Do _actual_ hooligans need to know all that much about their sport? I'm hardly a hooligan myself, but I'm unconvinced it's totally necessary information going by what I've learned in this video.
@@Tehsnakerer "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing." - Robert E. Howard
@@zyriantel9601 Tell me about it. I mean if an Uzi was the biggest dakka they could find I would understand; But they didn't even try. Could have at least glued the other two pistols to the Uzi, at the bare minimum.
There's nothing quite like Eurojank. I think it's a combination of the brilliant ideas with botched execution and the often obscure nature that leads to them being totally lost to time that makes them so intriguing.
Honestly, a gang based brawler in the same vain as The Warriors ps2 game but with football hooligans sounds like a blast that I wish someone would make now.
Imagine Kiryu leading one of these- nevermind, he already does it in Y6 and K2. That man does everything. Should just replace Sonic already as the Mascot.
Reading that title now reminds me that the Orkz from 40k are partly based off of hooliganism. Yeah I shouldn't have forgotten about it, but between the fungal spores, endless dakka, and gestalt psychic energy, it's a minor detail compared to all of that.
are you saying football hooligans don't emit clouds of spores on death and aren't capable of shifting the axis of reality around their charmingly simple-minded understanding of problems?
"It's the tortoise and the hairy bastards! Run! Run you pillocks!" made my laugh far harder than it should have. Great video Snake, your new uploads are highlights of my day I swear.
Remember when people thought the hot coffee mod for one of the older Grand Theft Auto titles (San Andreas? Vice City? Don’t remember) was too spicy and inappropriate? Now CD Projekt Red just casually have sex and naked folks in their games and nobody bats an eye. Man, we’ve sure come a long way.
You don’t interact with sex in mainstream games still though, which was a major point of contention with hot coffee as shallow as it was. Overall we’re still at a point where consensual sex and nudity are treated as far worse than bloody, violent and gratuitous murder largely thanks to American puritanism.
Love the peeps saying it's amercians fault when Europe is WAY more hardass about banning games, especially sex scented ones. Fuck, it was the uk who was tossing the most shit when steam said it'd let sex games in the platform.
"As flat and messy as a cutting board covered in sick, without the intrigue as to why" might be the most brilliant joke I've heard in a video essay to date. Excellent stuff, just excellent!
Honestly the FMVs are exactly what me and my highschool friends would have done if we were making a game during that year so I think its honestly really charming to see all these lads have a laugh and some good times while getting some work done. They all look like decent fun lads to hang with.
I had a friend who wasn't really that into videogames, but really liked this one. It resonated with he's aestetics i think. 15 years ago he died by standing on a train and touching electrical wires, was a wierd lad.
For very different reasons, the differences in strategy viability between the guide you looked up for the final mission and your actual experience reminds me of when I’d look up runs of Advance Wars missions in a similar way. For how predictable the AI in that game can be, it doesn’t move how you expect 100% of the time, so following someone else’s run one to one is basically impossible.
You can just never predict what Snakerer is gonna upload... Is it Yakuza? Is it some video about something somewhat relevant? Some weird way of playing some games? Videos about stuff that wasn't actually ever made? Or some weird jank no one has heard of in years? You certainly don't let things get stale xD Whatever it is, one thing is certainly for sure. It'll be hilarious, strangely insightful and tie me to my chair for the foreseeable future! Seriously, you just don't make something dull.
@@Tehsnakerer I just love it when you do videos on old games like these. Been a fan of yours since the Evo video lured me in. Still rewatch that video till this day
As a Brit who’s into football, the first hooligan film id recommend to anyone is the absolutely hilarious Green Street, featuring Elijah Wood and possibly the worst ever British accent captured on film.
Second this. What Charlie Hunnam was smoking I don't know. The fact that the film is directed by a German woman and is basically pro-hooligan makes it one of the weirdest films to exist, at least in concept.
As a Welshman myself I'm extremely relieved to hear you didn't have to come here. I wouldn't want a great man like yourself breathing in so much sheep air.
2:37 I like how you make it sound as if being put on the German Index is something unusual while basically any remotely violent game in the 90s and early 2000s was either cut down a lot or wasn't allowed to sell in Germany. Some games (like Wolfenstein 3D) were even confiscated from stores and owners. Roughly 416 games, 1597 movies and 1984 music tracks and other audio stuff are on list A,B, and E of the German index (according to wikipedia)
I think it's an interesting bit of trivia still tbh, and relevant to Hooligans bit of controversy, I know Germany is ban happy (A mate has told me stories of crossing the border to pick up stuff many times), and I'd say 400 games out of the tens of thousands that exist is at least a noteworthy figure overall.
@@Tehsnakerer It definetely is, I just wanted to offer a german perspective as I thought that might be interesting for some. For the 400, you have to consider that they only checked games that released on disc in retail for a long time, and it also doesn't account for the amounts of game that had crazy cuts. Some examples: in the "no russion" mission in MW2, you couldn't shoot civilians in the German version. Many games released without blood or dead bodies (which was really shitty for games like cs were you don't have hit feedback except for blood), often the enemies were replaced by 'robots' (e.g. Contra). All wolfenstein games until the new 2 released had the swastikas and all other Nazi references removed.
@@Tehsnakerer What’s funny to me is some of the games that managed to dodge the index - like, right off the top of my head, Fatal Frame: game’s about a haunted mansion where everybody got horrifically slaughtered after a disgusting ritual to keep a literal gate to hell shut went wrong, seven other people turned up torn limb from limb, and now you’re stuck in that same mansion fighting everybody’s restless and mutilated spirits while slowly being cursed to death yourself. Not on the index, that game’s A-okay to play in Germany!
@@Yasokuhl35 never gonna forget how in the old German versions of Half Life 1 and CS:GO no one died, they just either surrendered or fell to the ground shaking their head in disappointment. Especially funny when everyone died to the bomb in CS GO and it just looked like they started praising it
This is one of the few videos I’ve seen that RUclips keeps putting a warning up for. Very odd. Also having loading screen jingles sing by the units in an RTS is actually amazing. That’s such a great idea.
Got my first "This video contains sensitive content are you sure you wanna watch" message before this. Honestly I'm in favour. All videos with Bri*ish people should have one of those tbh
With what feels like the endless tides of Arcanum reviews the big video essay people are doing atm, it's so refreshing to get some video game jank explored again. It's always amazing to me just what Tehsnakerer can dredge up, I've never heard of most of the games that get covered here but I always feel enriched by the knowledge.
I'm so glad I saw this video. I am an amature game dev working on an RTS project in an urban setting and I was struggling to come up with a good angle and scale for my game. This games perfect - just close enough to see details, while far enough away to manage the scene. I've been in the sticks so long I'm starting to forget what a city looks like. Also, we really need more hooligan content. Spoken as an American hooligan. Workin class solidarity, innit?
The narrator sounds like The Ancient Reptilian Brain from Disco Elysium. Maybe all these hooligans really are are the autopilotting system that forgot it's not supposed to be driving for this long.
Oh god, that moment they all went: "EEEH YOOO, EHHH YOOOO EEHH YO, EEEH YO", I first was hit with nostalgia that rather quickly got replaced by the remaining residue of all the nightmares and pure rage this game gave me when I was a kid ^^ Very ambitious little studio for sure :P "Shoot the Basterd" "EEEEEHHHH YOOO EHHHHH YOOOO EH YO EEH YOO" :') -edit- Those loading jingles are the best xD
This game came when I was 15 or 16 and it was a real challenge to come with innovative ways to kill the enemies.. you can drag them in to weapon stores so the shotgun owner could blast them or lure them towards the police squads. By the way, on level 8 there is a way that you can lure the enemies to chase you through the highway instead through the bridge. Your rat unit dies but it drags their whole squad on the highway and the speeding vehicles totally destroy them. You just have to wait for the right timing so you can cross the highway (not the bridge) with the fastest unit and it takes some trying. After that they start chasing you and you run right back through the highway. Love this fucken game! Played it like 5 or 6 times and it is different run every time... I believe there were rumors around that time to make a 2nd one, but even in these times the backlash was huge. Imagine such game in 2024...
Loving Green Street as a kid has become a qunitessential part of British life. I've yet to meet a single lad around my age who didn't love Green Street when they were a kid. I'm not even remotely into football and I loved Green Street as a kid. I knew I was gonna enjoy this vid but I love it even more with that core memory unlocked
A remake of this game would be brilliant. I'm a lifelong Blackpool supporter (not from there though, I'm Scottish) and have seen the madness of hooliganism. Forget the Manchester derby, the West Lancashire derby is pure malice incarnate.
This game has had a room in my mind for at least a decade. I think i only ever had the demo version but it ALWAYS felt like no matter what i did i just couldnt finish or complete the 2nd mission i got, or even potentially the first , always wanted to know what the rest of it was. Thanks for the video and bringing back a very niche memory
Hooliganism can trace itself back to Chariot Races of Rome. It got so bad during the Byzantine era that one team losing enough became the foundation of a full on rebellion that spurred a whole legion coming in and killing a whole gaggle of chariot fans. So it's not surprising that monarchs of the high middle-ages would outlaw a growing sport that brings out the same tendencies.
its incredible civilized people can have so many common ancestors with the british, and yet when british topics are discussed it comes out as alien goobledigook
Also - the fact that you suggested post-punk as fitting music makes me think that post-punk fans must have a very different reputation in the UK than they do in the US
One thing that I always appreciate about your channel is that it's the only consistently releasing long videos (as in, videos drops every 2 to 4 months) with consistently great script. Like, it's insane to me that you've been doing this for over ten years at this point and still haven't gotten stale.
Your ability to make me absolutely captivated by a game I'd otherwise be unwilling to play is entirely unmatched. Been a viewer for a number of years now and none of your videos have disappointed. I haven't the slightest inkling to football hooligan culture but this was fucking awesome.
In terms of unit management and map complexity, the game reminds me of Myth: Fallen Lords. It's a pity that the map cannot be rotated to better see the units behind the buildings
Tehsnakerer I lift my hat to you, sir. You are truly a man of sheer fucking dedication and substance for going through all that shit to get the game running and providing us with this video.
Prime remaster/remake material. So many good ideas, such botched execution. The consciousness system in particular has AMAZING potential, very few games even acknowledge this aspect of combat. On another note, I remember seeing the disc copy of this game strewn about in many shops in my teenage years but never taking it seriously since many much better and newer games were available for about the same price. Now I'm proper kicking myself since even the SoldOut copy is ridiculously rare...
The combination of visual design choices and the objective of the first level made me think this game was going to be "Lemmings but everyone is a drunken wreck." Also, "I GOT THIS GAME TO RUN, BULCH, I CAN GET YOU RUNNIN TOO" is such a raw fucking line.
I remember finding this game on ALL of my school informatics class computers. Someone seemed to really like it to bother to install it on every single one. This was in Russia in 2008, btw.
51:25 Red Alert 2 and its expansion definitely featured fair share of urban maps, with just slightly lesser density of buildings to accommodate the vehicles.
The second I heard you begin talking about needing to get the game running somehow I knew Skeletom was going to be a part of it. Also Let's go Germany for once again bringing out the index, a well working tool even today xD
Most stuff on the index is just 'no advertisement whatsoever. The games cd cover counts as advertisement' So in privately owned games stores you could often just ask for the stuff from under the counter. Wich will either give you a stack of porn or a selection of good games
@@gewuerzwanze5627 So what this game is included into? Teh showed that this isn't a good game, but also, while i won't judge what you're into, i don't think Belches are good wank material for mass market...
@@sponge1234ify im talking about stuff like dead island. Dead rising2. Xmen origins-wolverine and stuff like that. Apparently being 'too brutal' will get you indexed
I wish someone would make a turn based strategy game based on football hooligans now. have it be like x-com enemy unknown; where your firm is located gives you different bonuses, distinct classes for your squad of hooligans, maybe the mission types are based around riots while others are mediated firm vs firm challenges. Could also do something like the panic level system where the more mayhem you cause in a country eventually causes a police crackdown and removes that country from play, you have to weight up how much property damage/collateral damage you can get away with before it forces the police to crackdown.
holy crap, first mandalore with ring, and now you with hooligans, MAW greatest hits!!! I feel blessed to have literally just played both before these videos hahaha
The amount of wordplay in your videos is always great. I can tell it probably takes a lot of thought and effort when writing these scripts to keep them focused, but also funny. Really great stuff.
4:21 You have MPC-HC installed, it's outdated software that uses video codecs that can break certain old games (don't ask me how), use something like MPV instead, it's well maintained and doesn't need external codecs. I'm 99% certain that if you uninstall MPC you'll solve that issue, from personal experience.
French here. Can confirm, we are really frustrated at you Brits buying all our Uzis. Please give them back.
Parisians getting a bit too rowdy are they?
Amin kessab. Ah yes. "The new french"
It's so funny to me that this game is titled and narrarated like it's a ww2 game about trying to liberate Europe, and it's just about soccer rioters.
Its not really that different, but instead of liberating youre invading
Instead of the Germans messing everything up in Europe is the English that decided to give them a break by ruining everything themselves
"I scuffed the face of God. It is our victory he allowed us to leave."
i can safely say I was not expecting such a line from a football hooligan rpg
The Bri'ish are one of the most neglected Universal Horror Monsters.
People never put together that that's what Hammer was actually about
I've played Bloodborne, I know how horrifying the British are.
@@Varrekt I feel bad for those who played Bloodborne and still live in the UK, they literally missed the entire point of the game.
"You can bring civilization to Britain, but you can never bring Britain to civilization." -SsethTzeentach
Well they have millions of mummy's there. It' like everybody's got one.
I know that the movie footage was distorted to avoid getting dinged by copyright bots but I just imagined that since it takes place in England everybody actually looks like that.
I was mucking with filters to try and dodge bots, and yeah I just found myself laughing at the footage so much I couldn't change it
_"The Docks, better known as: The Docks,"_ continues to be my favorite running gag.
Still one of the best in the game; never stop bringing critical eyes to eurojank and lesser known games.
I am not diminishing the effort nor effect of the longform Yakuza series, nor necessarily pigeon holing your content into niche, AA/A+ games long gone. Just love your pen game and editing.
The Docks joke started in the Mafia city didn't it?
@@altcenter4944 Gangland
It's actually an earworm curse. Every damn time I hear anyone say 'The Docks', my brain auto-inserts the 'better known as' bit.
idc about critical , snake's thoughts are just fun
See the fear mechanic is actually very accurate, in fact; you played a video of it earlier. That scene where the guys are throwing chairs at each other, but won't fully commit to a real fight, so they just end up going back and forth. 100% working as intended.
Very clever observation
"We performed our first act of evil in this game: giving money to scalpers." Accurate.
if you gave me fifty guesses as to what this game's intended soundtrack would've been, i'm almost certain i never would've guessed "indistinguishable from killing floor's"
The OG or the one with that one pro life death metal song?
@@Gammera2000 "A pro-life death metal song" - a contradiction in terms.
@@gabby3036 I think it might be nu-metal instead of death metal, but it's still a song about how abortion is bad and that prayer shouldn't be banned in school, produced specifically for the Killing Floor 2 OST.
It's Dirge by Disunion Reconstructed.
Oh yeah, killing floor definitely exists
@@Gammera2000 knowing the opinions of the former CEO, that's wholly unsurprising.
I like to imagine that the gameplay is just the lads embellishing their stories to Clive Darren, hence the high number of deaths and victories against overwhelming odds.
"Vini Vedi, fuck you too!" Is the perfect description of how this game's combat plays out. What an odd little title.
You know, I always thought the whole "orks are just football hooligans" thing was a joke. Hearing all this stuff about actual hooligans I now realize it wasn't a joke. The resemblance is uncanny, except orks seem more eloquent in their language
allods online
orks are literally football hooligans
Same, I knew a bit about 40k Orks, but not much about hooligans, now, I can't help but feel bad for the Orks.
40K originated in satire - it wasn't supposed to be taken seriously. The whole thing is a big joke poking fun at war games, sci-fi and British culture. The Orks are indeed based upon football hooligans. The Space Marines are mocking hyper-masculine action heroes, while much of the Imperium is mocking Britain's somewhat xenophobic attitude towards immigration and confident sense of national superiority.
That's how it started, anyway. The satirical elements have been slowly forgotten in more recent decades in the name of making more money. Games Workshop still gets to cry 'its satire!' whenever actual literal nazis start adopting the iconography of the Imperium though.
@@vylbird8014 I'm well aware. I was just trying to joke that I thought the idea of orks being hooligans was a wild exaggeration, but that after seeing what hooligans get up to (real and in this game, I don't really follow football) it seems to be less a satirical joke and more of a statement of fact.
@@vylbird8014 satire is not the right word and games workshop shouldn’t use it as a defense in the context of modern lore. You don’t need to tell someone that that the empire in starwars is satire and shouldn’t be followed, they are the bad guys. Everyone in 40k is the bad guy. You’d have to be stupid to think any of them are right except maybe the nids, because the sentient life in the 40k universe needs to die.
I'm glad that living in a city infamous for hooliganism has finally paid off.
I like how as he gets angrier as the game progresses, his accent gets noticeably thicker and more hooligan ish.
The McDonald's and Pokémon in the FMV aren't what surprised me the most in terms of copyrighted elements, it's the implication that the surviving members of Queen may have authorised the use of their songs for the chants on the loading screens
I have every doubt they were ever consulted
@@Tehsnakerer I have no doubt that that's the case, but the mental image of Brian May and co receiving the pitch to license the songs is very amusing
@@casanovafunkenstein5090 If that actually were to have happened, it still wouldn't be the weirdest video game thing to involve Brian May, given how he actually agreed to compose a track each for two of the worst fighting games in history, Rise of the Robots and Rise 2: Resurrection, the latter of which isn't even used in the game itself but is included in the disc anyway.
"Do what you want with my music, just don’t make it boring."
51:45: Asymmetrical multiplayer game where one player is playing a city builder and the other's playing an army of yobs tearing it apart.
Gotta respect the hell out of Snake for not editing out the like 5 total seconds of real violence that got this video age-restricted
I love that they included more waves of supporters arriving by train; trains are integral to football firms. Some even include them on their patches.
That must be why hooliganism took off in Russia. Russians love trains.
@@runningcommentary2125 Turns out trains are kinda handy, you know?
Yea Leeds United Service
You say that this is the only hooligan based RTS, yet there have been 3 Total War Warhammer Games and all of them let you play as the Orks.
Heck 3 has a whole Bulch faction
@@johnmccarrick3123 Complete with the world's catchiest theme song.
Does Blood Bowl count too?
As a proud German citizen I have enjoyed sharing a simple meal by the warmth of a burning car wreckage every once in a while
@Charles Hastings It’s the little things in life
Neat
This game truly embodies what I love about 2000s shovelware, it's not particularly well made but its experimental, has a ton of charm and wears its heart on its sleeve. So many games like this released back then, games that kinda sucked but were carried by the love and passion they exude, games that feel like they were made by real people and not thought up and iterated in a board room.
I love that you put a spotlight on games like this as well as the other assorted Eurojank, it really takes me back to a time when I could grab a random game off the shelf and wind up with some fascinating new experience
This isn't shovelware
I think the reason why Football Hooliganism isn't in more games is because it requires game makers to know more about sports and ones who do know about sports are too busy making actual sport games
Maybe, but then I know basically nothing about sports and hey, I find hooligans fascinating
@@Tehsnakerer yeah but you're really weird no offence I wouldn't want you any other way
Its not about knowing more about rules n shit its about knowing your lose is always the referees fault
Do _actual_ hooligans need to know all that much about their sport? I'm hardly a hooligan myself, but I'm unconvinced it's totally necessary information going by what I've learned in this video.
@@LonelySpaceDetective Not really but they usually do enough to get along with the rest I think
With all I learned about Britian in my life so far, I can only guess everyone is taught fisticuffs the instant they learn how to crawl or talk.
We're only civil cause we only know how to kick shit out of eachother
"If it can crawl it can brawl" My dad circa 1998 after making baby me fight the dog for me brekkie
@@Tehsnakerer "Civilized men are more discourteous than savages because they know they can be impolite without having their skulls split, as a general thing."
- Robert E. Howard
It’s funny how similar lads are to orcs, always happy to see them.
I would rather live with orcs than british.
what do you think orcs were based off?
more specifically, 40k's orks.
Not very good Orks though, since Leader units only scale up to an Uzi before deciding they have enuff dakka, the frauds.
@@zyriantel9601 Tell me about it. I mean if an Uzi was the biggest dakka they could find I would understand; But they didn't even try. Could have at least glued the other two pistols to the Uzi, at the bare minimum.
I find it funny that they put a censor bar over the Pikachu in the credits, but not in the actual cutscenes
There's nothing quite like Eurojank. I think it's a combination of the brilliant ideas with botched execution and the often obscure nature that leads to them being totally lost to time that makes them so intriguing.
Spot on
In a way they're almost like cryptids with how hard it can be to even run them, given how old they usually are.
Quite often not brilliant ideas too.
the scariest thing you could've uploaded for Halloween: a game exclusively filled with British people
The absolute terror
Yeah, almost shit my pants when i saw it.
Britain sure sounds like a scary place. Good thing it is all fictional.
Whatever do you mean by "Bri*ish """people""" "???
most normal british hater
The most immersion breaking thing of this game? The british actually having any guns.
There's none for everyday folk because the hooligans nicked them all.
@RRVCrinale i was going to say, of course the civis don't have any dakka, the hooligans have nicked them all already
Honestly, a gang based brawler in the same vain as The Warriors ps2 game but with football hooligans sounds like a blast that I wish someone would make now.
This would be awesome. Should have a story mode that is like a hooligan version of Yakuza.
Definitely warriors aesthetic would be perfect
As an American who knows nothing about hooliganism, this video sure is an inexplicable trip.
Also, I don't know why, but this is reminding me of the weird fucking RTS based on the Left Behind books of all things.
think of philly fans, but its like that for the fans of every team
@@abberss suddenly it all makes sense
@@abberss bruh, Philadelphia consists of more than 65% immigrants inheritage from Europe.
That reply made too much sense
@@frds_skce ah that explains why i hate them
Not only is this one of the 'ardest videos I've watched, it is (was, thankfully) one of the 'ardest videos to get to watch
I like how this game presents Hooligans as like some kinda underground movement of anarchist warriors.
Imagine Kiryu leading one of these- nevermind, he already does it in Y6 and K2. That man does everything. Should just replace Sonic already as the Mascot.
he and ichiban pretty much are. It's like a crash and kratos situation
The clan battles were pretty fun!
@@thegamingprozone1941 Eh they were fun in 6, I really wasn't a fan of the defense system in K2.
kiryu would take down both sides singlehandedly.
@@ddjsoyenby Hell yeah
Reading that title now reminds me that the Orkz from 40k are partly based off of hooliganism. Yeah I shouldn't have forgotten about it, but between the fungal spores, endless dakka, and gestalt psychic energy, it's a minor detail compared to all of that.
ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ ORKZ
are you saying football hooligans don't emit clouds of spores on death and aren't capable of shifting the axis of reality around their charmingly simple-minded understanding of problems?
@@CassandraFortuna at least not as hard or as efficiently as Orkz do
The loading screen music is beautiful. Finally, something for me to be proud of my country for.
Someone better rip those and post them online.
"It's the tortoise and the hairy bastards! Run! Run you pillocks!" made my laugh far harder than it should have. Great video Snake, your new uploads are highlights of my day I swear.
Mate, you're a hard lad. You're a good bruv. Get us six pack of Carling and let's 'ead on down to Mazza's place.
awright
@@Tehsnakerer Pukka, thanks mate. The biddy running the place ain't let me back in since I nicked a pack ov chewits when I was ten
At least tell your yank cousin here it was the blackcurrant chewits? Else, let’s go smash the place in.
Hooligan was so true to its original inspiration, the European people even try to ban it.
Ah, the good old 00's era.
Remember when people thought the hot coffee mod for one of the older Grand Theft Auto titles (San Andreas? Vice City? Don’t remember) was too spicy and inappropriate?
Now CD Projekt Red just casually have sex and naked folks in their games and nobody bats an eye.
Man, we’ve sure come a long way.
@@zyriantel9601 San Andreas, and we never should have but the Yanks have never gotten past their origin story of puritanism.
You don’t interact with sex in mainstream games still though, which was a major point of contention with hot coffee as shallow as it was.
Overall we’re still at a point where consensual sex and nudity are treated as far worse than bloody, violent and gratuitous murder largely thanks to American puritanism.
Love the peeps saying it's amercians fault when Europe is WAY more hardass about banning games, especially sex scented ones. Fuck, it was the uk who was tossing the most shit when steam said it'd let sex games in the platform.
@@zephyr8072 Those are the standards across most ratings systems, though.
20 men died so 16 could see the game... a thrilling 0 - 0 between Norf FC and Sarf FC
"As flat and messy as a cutting board covered in sick, without the intrigue as to why" might be the most brilliant joke I've heard in a video essay to date. Excellent stuff, just excellent!
Honestly the FMVs are exactly what me and my highschool friends would have done if we were making a game during that year so I think its honestly really charming to see all these lads have a laugh and some good times while getting some work done. They all look like decent fun lads to hang with.
Unfortunately they're now probably all in or nearing their 60s.
Football Hooligans are just the Bri'ish Yakuza (Charlie Kazoomer, 'Ol Goro the Cyclops, Shane Purple Akiyama)
Ol’ Ichiboy and Tiger Saejima, don’t forget those guys.
I’m still trying to think of one for Yagami, for some reason he’s harder for me to riff on.
@@zyriantel9601 Yagami is still a hidden cop in this timeline, but far more obviously so, so he's billy no mates.
@@sponge1234ify Yagami No Mates?
I had a friend who wasn't really that into videogames, but really liked this one. It resonated with he's aestetics i think. 15 years ago he died by standing on a train and touching electrical wires, was a wierd lad.
Why did he do that?
@@gloglablyn Sometimes ya just gotta explore the world by touching weird things.
@@planescaped ah, ok, at first I thought you were making a 40k reference, but now I get you.
Dont you mean wired?
For very different reasons, the differences in strategy viability between the guide you looked up for the final mission and your actual experience reminds me of when I’d look up runs of Advance Wars missions in a similar way. For how predictable the AI in that game can be, it doesn’t move how you expect 100% of the time, so following someone else’s run one to one is basically impossible.
You can just never predict what Snakerer is gonna upload...
Is it Yakuza? Is it some video about something somewhat relevant? Some weird way of playing some games? Videos about stuff that wasn't actually ever made?
Or some weird jank no one has heard of in years?
You certainly don't let things get stale xD
Whatever it is, one thing is certainly for sure. It'll be hilarious, strangely insightful and tie me to my chair for the foreseeable future!
Seriously, you just don't make something dull.
Thanks a ton for the kind words!
I'm sure he is actually recording a playthrough of REEPERBAHN SIMULATOR since he's finished with Hooligans :')
@@Tehsnakerer I just love it when you do videos on old games like these. Been a fan of yours since the Evo video lured me in.
Still rewatch that video till this day
As a Brit who’s into football, the first hooligan film id recommend to anyone is the absolutely hilarious Green Street, featuring Elijah Wood and possibly the worst ever British accent captured on film.
Second this. What Charlie Hunnam was smoking I don't know. The fact that the film is directed by a German woman and is basically pro-hooligan makes it one of the weirdest films to exist, at least in concept.
After watching that one you gotta watch cass actually follows the story of the bloke who lead the real west ham firm the ICF
As a Welshman myself I'm extremely relieved to hear you didn't have to come here. I wouldn't want a great man like yourself breathing in so much sheep air.
56:26
"We are not leading a crack squad, at best we are a squad on crack..."
This joke made me laugh more than i thought...
I never get tired of your wordplay.
Tehsnakerer's next video:
Honkai Impact: A bit too Honkish (Featuring a boy-molesting maid from Manc)
2:37 I like how you make it sound as if being put on the German Index is something unusual while basically any remotely violent game in the 90s and early 2000s was either cut down a lot or wasn't allowed to sell in Germany. Some games (like Wolfenstein 3D) were even confiscated from stores and owners. Roughly 416 games, 1597 movies and 1984 music tracks and other audio stuff are on list A,B, and E of the German index (according to wikipedia)
I think it's an interesting bit of trivia still tbh, and relevant to Hooligans bit of controversy, I know Germany is ban happy (A mate has told me stories of crossing the border to pick up stuff many times), and I'd say 400 games out of the tens of thousands that exist is at least a noteworthy figure overall.
@@Tehsnakerer It definetely is, I just wanted to offer a german perspective as I thought that might be interesting for some.
For the 400, you have to consider that they only checked games that released on disc in retail for a long time, and it also doesn't account for the amounts of game that had crazy cuts. Some examples: in the "no russion" mission in MW2, you couldn't shoot civilians in the German version. Many games released without blood or dead bodies (which was really shitty for games like cs were you don't have hit feedback except for blood), often the enemies were replaced by 'robots' (e.g. Contra). All wolfenstein games until the new 2 released had the swastikas and all other Nazi references removed.
@@Yasokuhl35 Return to Castle Waffle Stein. Where you battle delicious waffles to save the golden beer stein ja.
@@Tehsnakerer What’s funny to me is some of the games that managed to dodge the index - like, right off the top of my head, Fatal Frame: game’s about a haunted mansion where everybody got horrifically slaughtered after a disgusting ritual to keep a literal gate to hell shut went wrong, seven other people turned up torn limb from limb, and now you’re stuck in that same mansion fighting everybody’s restless and mutilated spirits while slowly being cursed to death yourself.
Not on the index, that game’s A-okay to play in Germany!
@@Yasokuhl35 never gonna forget how in the old German versions of Half Life 1 and CS:GO no one died, they just either surrendered or fell to the ground shaking their head in disappointment. Especially funny when everyone died to the bomb in CS GO and it just looked like they started praising it
This is the best 40K Ork simulator I’ve seen. Love it to bits already.
Dont you mean love to... gits?
Orait, orait, i see meself out
@@oz_jones See yerself out? What is ya, a bleedin’ Weirdboy?
0:40 I'm on to your secret plan to take over the Yakuza series and make it British. YOU WON'T FOOL ME!
Yeah but are you gonna tell me that wouldn't be really funny
@@Tehsnakerer So what are the three Fighting Styles besides the obvious Rugby? Upper Class Twit and Rozzer maybe?
@@arskakarva7474 Rough c**t (brawler), Dodgy b*stard (rush), and hench (beast)
@@Tehsnakerer The starting style should be the worst and be called "Absolute Tosser/Wanker"
@@Tehsnakerer a pre Yakuza 0-style revelation could be catching a glimpse of hockey and learning a heat action that's just jerseying the opponent
I’d love to play an mmo where I could be a football hooligan and shout barely coherent slurs at the enemies. Guess I’ll have to make do with this.
It would have a language filter that stopped you if you tried speaking in full sentences
You can always just go to actual football games. No game is as massive as real life afterall
This is one of the few videos I’ve seen that RUclips keeps putting a warning up for. Very odd.
Also having loading screen jingles sing by the units in an RTS is actually amazing. That’s such a great idea.
Sold Out launcher was a bit of Nostalgia I wasn't expecting.
I wish more of these weird obscure games got on digital storefronts.
Hooliganism goes back to at least the 6th century AD see the Nika Riots as an example, granted that was chariot racing hooliganism.
Game: God save the Queen!!
Tehshaker: Yeah about that...
That's morbidly funny. XD
"From this moment, you're not men, you're margin for error!" sounds like a Commissar line
Got my first "This video contains sensitive content are you sure you wanna watch" message before this.
Honestly I'm in favour. All videos with Bri*ish people should have one of those tbh
One of my favorite moments in any of Snake's videos is the panic and rush in the final boss of this game lmao
With what feels like the endless tides of Arcanum reviews the big video essay people are doing atm, it's so refreshing to get some video game jank explored again. It's always amazing to me just what Tehsnakerer can dredge up, I've never heard of most of the games that get covered here but I always feel enriched by the knowledge.
I'm so glad I saw this video. I am an amature game dev working on an RTS project in an urban setting and I was struggling to come up with a good angle and scale for my game. This games perfect - just close enough to see details, while far enough away to manage the scene. I've been in the sticks so long I'm starting to forget what a city looks like.
Also, we really need more hooligan content. Spoken as an American hooligan. Workin class solidarity, innit?
Innit, best of luck with the game
The narrator sounds like The Ancient Reptilian Brain from Disco Elysium.
Maybe all these hooligans really are are the autopilotting system that forgot it's not supposed to be driving for this long.
Oh god, that moment they all went: "EEEH YOOO, EHHH YOOOO EEHH YO, EEEH YO", I first was hit with nostalgia that rather quickly got replaced by the remaining residue of all the nightmares and pure rage this game gave me when I was a kid ^^ Very ambitious little studio for sure :P "Shoot the Basterd" "EEEEEHHHH YOOO EHHHHH YOOOO EH YO EEH YOO" :')
-edit- Those loading jingles are the best xD
A game featuring the spookiest creatures on Earth: The British, very seasonally appropriate.
Honestly?
I agree.
The idea of an RTS game that's based on football game rioting sounds pretty fun.
I had to click three content warnings to watch this video so the game must be truly 'ard.
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- rare footage of Ork boy with pet squig, date unknown
Oddly enough, this is the plot of Shootas, blood, and teef.
People overseas might think hooligans don't exist in America but they do. We just call them Raiders Fans.
This game came when I was 15 or 16 and it was a real challenge to come with innovative ways to kill the enemies.. you can drag them in to weapon stores so the shotgun owner could blast them or lure them towards the police squads. By the way, on level 8 there is a way that you can lure the enemies to chase you through the highway instead through the bridge. Your rat unit dies but it drags their whole squad on the highway and the speeding vehicles totally destroy them. You just have to wait for the right timing so you can cross the highway (not the bridge) with the fastest unit and it takes some trying. After that they start chasing you and you run right back through the highway. Love this fucken game! Played it like 5 or 6 times and it is different run every time... I believe there were rumors around that time to make a 2nd one, but even in these times the backlash was huge. Imagine such game in 2024...
Holy shit I forgot this game existed and thought it was a fever dream
Cannot blame you
Loving Green Street as a kid has become a qunitessential part of British life. I've yet to meet a single lad around my age who didn't love Green Street when they were a kid. I'm not even remotely into football and I loved Green Street as a kid. I knew I was gonna enjoy this vid but I love it even more with that core memory unlocked
A remake of this game would be brilliant. I'm a lifelong Blackpool supporter (not from there though, I'm Scottish) and have seen the madness of hooliganism. Forget the Manchester derby, the West Lancashire derby is pure malice incarnate.
This game has had a room in my mind for at least a decade. I think i only ever had the demo version but it ALWAYS felt like no matter what i did i just couldnt finish or complete the 2nd mission i got, or even potentially the first , always wanted to know what the rest of it was. Thanks for the video and bringing back a very niche memory
Hooliganism can trace itself back to Chariot Races of Rome. It got so bad during the Byzantine era that one team losing enough became the foundation of a full on rebellion that spurred a whole legion coming in and killing a whole gaggle of chariot fans. So it's not surprising that monarchs of the high middle-ages would outlaw a growing sport that brings out the same tendencies.
Don't worry,There already was a game about Hooligans terrorizing people.
It's called Baldies for the MS-DOS and Atari Jaguar.
its incredible civilized people can have so many common ancestors with the british, and yet when british topics are discussed it comes out as alien goobledigook
As an American I found this video truly fascinating, always nice to hear about the refined culture and sophisticated people of Europe.
Also - the fact that you suggested post-punk as fitting music makes me think that post-punk fans must have a very different reputation in the UK than they do in the US
I love how snake slowly became a hooligan over the course of the video. Well done!
The sequel should be about 2 powerful firms taking over all of Europe. A war between the Global Defense Innitiative and the Brotherhood of Sods.
God bless you Skeletom, you technical wizard.
One thing that I always appreciate about your channel is that it's the only consistently releasing long videos (as in, videos drops every 2 to 4 months) with consistently great script. Like, it's insane to me that you've been doing this for over ten years at this point and still haven't gotten stale.
Your ability to make me absolutely captivated by a game I'd otherwise be unwilling to play is entirely unmatched. Been a viewer for a number of years now and none of your videos have disappointed. I haven't the slightest inkling to football hooligan culture but this was fucking awesome.
In terms of unit management and map complexity, the game reminds me of Myth: Fallen Lords. It's a pity that the map cannot be rotated to better see the units behind the buildings
3:30 is that a westham supporting Adachi? now THAT is evil
Tehsnakerer I lift my hat to you, sir.
You are truly a man of sheer fucking dedication and substance for going through all that shit to get the game running and providing us with this video.
Prime remaster/remake material. So many good ideas, such botched execution. The consciousness system in particular has AMAZING potential, very few games even acknowledge this aspect of combat. On another note, I remember seeing the disc copy of this game strewn about in many shops in my teenage years but never taking it seriously since many much better and newer games were available for about the same price. Now I'm proper kicking myself since even the SoldOut copy is ridiculously rare...
The hooligans sound hilarious and I can't take them serious. Makes it even better when they get angry or more serious.
The combination of visual design choices and the objective of the first level made me think this game was going to be "Lemmings but everyone is a drunken wreck."
Also, "I GOT THIS GAME TO RUN, BULCH, I CAN GET YOU RUNNIN TOO" is such a raw fucking line.
I remember finding this game on ALL of my school informatics class computers. Someone seemed to really like it to bother to install it on every single one. This was in Russia in 2008, btw.
Norf FC the game. What a hidden gem lol.
51:25 Red Alert 2 and its expansion definitely featured fair share of urban maps, with just slightly lesser density of buildings to accommodate the vehicles.
It's more about the sort of casual, semi-residential/commerical boring areas, the places that wouldn't see this sort of action
16:44 The stats screen reads more like the outcome of Britain as a country in 2022
The second I heard you begin talking about needing to get the game running somehow I knew Skeletom was going to be a part of it.
Also Let's go Germany for once again bringing out the index, a well working tool even today xD
Most stuff on the index is just 'no advertisement whatsoever. The games cd cover counts as advertisement'
So in privately owned games stores you could often just ask for the stuff from under the counter.
Wich will either give you a stack of porn or a selection of good games
@@gewuerzwanze5627 So what this game is included into? Teh showed that this isn't a good game, but also, while i won't judge what you're into, i don't think Belches are good wank material for mass market...
@@sponge1234ify im talking about stuff like dead island. Dead rising2. Xmen origins-wolverine and stuff like that.
Apparently being 'too brutal' will get you indexed
So HARD the H just up and Left
Got too 'igh up
I wish someone would make a turn based strategy game based on football hooligans now.
have it be like x-com enemy unknown; where your firm is located gives you different bonuses, distinct classes for your squad of hooligans, maybe the mission types are based around riots while others are mediated firm vs firm challenges.
Could also do something like the panic level system where the more mayhem you cause in a country eventually causes a police crackdown and removes that country from play, you have to weight up how much property damage/collateral damage you can get away with before it forces the police to crackdown.
holy crap, first mandalore with ring, and now you with hooligans, MAW greatest hits!!! I feel blessed to have literally just played both before these videos hahaha
The amount of wordplay in your videos is always great. I can tell it probably takes a lot of thought and effort when writing these scripts to keep them focused, but also funny. Really great stuff.
4:21 You have MPC-HC installed, it's outdated software that uses video codecs that can break certain old games (don't ask me how), use something like MPV instead, it's well maintained and doesn't need external codecs.
I'm 99% certain that if you uninstall MPC you'll solve that issue, from personal experience.
I'll give that a punt, cheers.