@@g4n3h And that's super legit. Some people really enjoy that game and the puzzles it presents. Not my favorite but if it keeps you rolling, then it's a good thing.
Both should be learned, but No-Gi should be the standard for adults in competition. Grappling witj a gi should be entry-level or casual competition at most. No-gi is the true test
@@biggertree7063 I went the other way. I'm 43 and as I aged I really started disliking folks having the ability to death grip my collar and hang all their weight on my neck regardless of skill level.
I met Keenan at the San Diego Zoo last year, I couldn't believe it. he took a picture with me and talked to me like a dude. I felt so honored to meet him! I scared him a little though i jumped in his face, he was taken aback but i apologized, i was just so psyched! nobody knew all around me this guy was a pioneer and top of the sport, just me. all to myself lol.
meh.. for me keenan was a huge failure compared to other sensational bjj althletes for his age/generation look at what gordon has done look at what craig jones has done meh.. one time keenan turned a live stream on and got 2.2k viewers walking around a shopping maul (he had more hype than all those guys put together at one point, he was way ahead of his game in terms of talking/communicating to his viewers you can look at his lapel guard as a huge impressive tick on his CV.. but realistically what he COULD of done, the superfights he could of made, the youtube channel he could of made, the potential streaming avenue he could of pursued... yet arguably after his lapel guard hype he completely fell off..his gym has been established 10+ years and he dropped his entire channel and personal fame to pull it off.. and go look at his channel now.. like 3k views on his content.. nobody is interested. Compare that to someone like craig jones who has only had B-team established for 2 years... hes already got a roster of high level fighters competing on main stages such as quintet.. already pumping content out both comedic and BJJ related... sure he had some success.. but compared to others in a similar boat who capitalised he was a failure
@@SHERMA. I get what you're saying but your comparing him to the greatest of all time on the mat to the greatest of all time on the mic. Hes way more notable and recognizable than some of the greats that hes beaten and who have beaten him. With that said BJJ is still a fringe sport and will probably always be...wnba players are more recognized unfortunately.
@@SHERMA.What is your goal in life? To get as many people to look at you on youtube as possible? Kinda sad imo. So shallow. You must think the Kardashians are more successful than Gandhi? Lmao Keyan's a millionaire, what does he need youtube views for? Pretty stupid criticism imo. He has a gym--his gym not producing top-level athletes is a more reasonable critique. However, if his gym has hundreds of students, and they all grow and learn jiu-jitsu and form a great community, and his teaching has a positive impact on their lives, that seems more important than winning medals imo. For instance, look at Gordon Ryan. Greatest athlete for sure, but every time he opens his mouth he says some embarassingly stupid shit. And his own brother literally moved cross-country to leave his gym and train with other people, seems like more of a failure in life than Keyan in my book. Your statement about Keyan's successes says more about you than it does about Keyan.
We either love it from a technical and creative lens or hate it because it often leads to stalling and snoozing. Personally I have taught my students it so they can be familiar and they can choose to do what they want with it , but there is something about I never liked about it. As much as I respect it as a creative and controlling element that can lead to moments of excitement when an aggressive player uses it, I just feel a sense of disconnection from our fighting sprit and fighting reality when we start doing these 3 grip passes lapel entanglements. I just never felt a sense of satisfaction hitting a worm guard sweep, kind of felt like I'm gaming the game in a sense. I know that that probably won't resonate well with alot of people . For athletes trying to reach a pro level, it is arguably not going to help you get on cards, because you will be perceived as a boring fighter, whether that is fair or not. Gi BJJ is obviously still very popular but in an amateur sense. NoGi in a professional setting, people are going to get paid more and more as time goes by, because it is currently way more exciting to be a NoGi athlete. At the same time, I don't like the idea of a rule banning multiple lapel passes either. And I love the gi FYI. I just don't see much of a professional future compared to Nogi when lapel games play a big role in high level matches. Keenan is one of the top creative minds though of his generation and deserves much respect.
@@atrocious_pr0xy Depends where you are. If you are at work and a coworker starts swinging they are probably wearing something similar to a Gi, and so in that situation No-Gi is less realistic since in reality clothing gets in the way. At the bar a drunk guy takes his shirt off to start a fight with the first person he sees, No-Gi is all of a sudden more real. Know both, practice whichever makes you happier.
@@ShakTMT not ridiculous, accurate. Some people are likely to not use roids. if you put gordon ryan, galvao and Keenan in a room and told me that one isn't roiding I would guess Keenan if I could look at him over Galvao's roided up traps. This doesn't mean that keenan isnt roided, but i think that its less likely for people like him or lachlan giles.
Once someone has you in worm, like 1 min in and your lower back is on fire. Worm guard crushes your opponents posture and its hard to deal with. Really slows the game down a bunch.
Any time a martial art turns into sport we will find instances of people finding exploits in meta rules that may be effective but extremely boring. technique adapts to circumstance. I feel the same way about how outside evasive boxing winning via points and point karate makes it feel very boring. To me Capoeira rodas keep all the elements of play aggression deception and rhythm and watching those and learning how it works is the key to keeping sport/spectators entertained.
I don't blame him for doing it. I blame the idiots in charge of the rules for allowing undressing. It is the only sport where you are allowed to take your opponents clothing off.
Hehe.. i wanna say stuff like this, but don't wamna upset anyone. If the dude can take you kimono off and use it as a weapon, why can't the guy being attacked do the same? Maybe even use his belt as a noose? Seems silly.
Do BJJ competitions enforce anti-doping rules? From what I'm seeing the answer is no. hard to take it seriously as a sport if that's the case. edit: 0:33 ah yes, that's how it's obvious they don't.
Now you know why the Gracies INSISTED on allowing gis in the UFC when they created it. It was a weapon that the others didn't have and the only reason Royce beat Shamrock.
Great video. But that’s one the motives I do not appreciate BJJ, even being a Brazilian. I like to practice martial arts that technics don’t rely too much on you clothing 🤔
Much respect to Keenan, but playing these lapel guards is kinda like being a riot shielder in cod. Running flash bangs and throwing knives. Like sure it can work but it’s kind of annoying and gaming the system. Haha I also just personally don’t gravitate towards lapel gaurds because I don’t feel like there’s much real life translation in combat. It’s more just for the fun of grappling If I’m messing with spider or lasso or something like that. Great video!
Same. Plus, I don't want to destroy my hands with constant gripping. If you see Keenan's hands, they're wrecked. I'd like for my hands to be functional and useful well into old age. Also, I play guitar and don't want deformed fingers.
I don't understand. It seems only an advantage if the other guy is wearing a Gi as well/ other wise you just gave your opponent a bunch of strong places to grab you. I've never even seen a MMA tourney (not that I'm an expert or even close) where you are required to wear a GI. Is this a common thing? Or is it just because that's what they used to do in the olden days?
Says "as early as 2008" and then shows someone using lapel techniques from the 1990's? Lapel manipulation has been a part of BJJ since the beginning. Some people like it, some people call it frivolous.
I am not really understanding the novelty of this personally. If anything this would need to be trained out of you. I was never a fan of gi for this exact kind of thing.
I cant stand bjj with Gi. Its watching dudes hold onto other dude's clothes, which feels just like when a woman holds onto another woman's hair durring a fight
Destroyed jiu jitsu. Now it’s becoming more a game of unrealistic lapel stuff than a self defense art. No wonder why no Gi is so popular right now. Gi game has became stupid.
Worm guard is detrimental for BJJ to be an effective martial art rather than just a technique to just beat other BJJ practitioners. Much like drop seoi nage in judo where done on the streets the knees would shatter from the drop, worm guard is a great technique to be a monster at the gym, but in real life and as a martial art technique, it's useless.
You're just salty because you still get confused by the difference between overhooks and underhooks. You'd have no hope to learn the worm guard. It's not like Gi jui jitsu was ever actually interesting. Just some shit the Gracies used to make sure better grapplers from luta livre couldn't compete against them.
We either love it from a technical and creative lens or hate it because it often leads to stalling and snoozing. Personally I have taught my students it so they can be familiar and they can choose to do what they want with it , but there is something about I never liked about it. As much as I respect it as a creative and controlling element, I just feel a sense of disconnection from our fighting sprit and fighting reality when we start doing these 3 grip passes lapel entanglements. I just never felt a sense of satisfaction hitting a worm guard sweep, kind of felt gaming the game. I know that that probably won't resonate with alot of people . For athletes trying to reach a pro level, it is arguably not going to help you get on cards, because you will be perceived as a boring fighter, whether that is fair or not. Gi BJJ is obviously still very popular but in an amateur sense. NoGi in a professional setting, people are going to get paid more and more as time goes by, because it is currently way more exciting to be a NoGi athlete. At the same time, I don't like the idea of a rule banning multiple lapel passes either. And I love the gi FYI. I just don't see much of a professional future compared to Nogi when lapel games play a big role in high level matches. Keenan is one of the top creative minds though of his generation and deserves much respect.
@@Specialistkayreally? Put any modern bjj guy in the ufc like it was back when the UFC first came out and I guarantee they would have gotten slapped simply because any of these silly bjj guards they use now are easy to deal with. Just start raining down punchs and its done.
Worm and heavy lapel based guards is a significant part of the reason I enjoy nogi more than gi.
and for me it's the reason why I enjoy gi more than gi :D
so much possibilties
@@g4n3h And that's super legit. Some people really enjoy that game and the puzzles it presents. Not my favorite but if it keeps you rolling, then it's a good thing.
Both should be learned, but No-Gi should be the standard for adults in competition. Grappling witj a gi should be entry-level or casual competition at most.
No-gi is the true test
I love Nogi until I hit my 30s. Enjoy Nogi while you're still physically competitive.
@@biggertree7063 I went the other way. I'm 43 and as I aged I really started disliking folks having the ability to death grip my collar and hang all their weight on my neck regardless of skill level.
I've never seen a better argument for no-gi
haha
All these pro no gi gal's,,,, why not just try wrestling? 😅
I can't like this video enough. Thank you for providing some much needed education to many people who discredit the guard.
Thank you for making this. This brought back really great memories from when i was learning jiu jitsu and being inspired by KC
Glad you enjoyed it!
I met Keenan at the San Diego Zoo last year, I couldn't believe it. he took a picture with me and talked to me like a dude. I felt so honored to meet him! I scared him a little though i jumped in his face, he was taken aback but i apologized, i was just so psyched! nobody knew all around me this guy was a pioneer and top of the sport, just me. all to myself lol.
awesome!
meh.. for me keenan was a huge failure compared to other sensational bjj althletes for his age/generation
look at what gordon has done
look at what craig jones has done
meh.. one time keenan turned a live stream on and got 2.2k viewers walking around a shopping maul (he had more hype than all those guys put together at one point, he was way ahead of his game in terms of talking/communicating to his viewers
you can look at his lapel guard as a huge impressive tick on his CV.. but realistically what he COULD of done, the superfights he could of made, the youtube channel he could of made, the potential streaming avenue he could of pursued...
yet arguably after his lapel guard hype he completely fell off..his gym has been established 10+ years and he dropped his entire channel and personal fame to pull it off.. and go look at his channel now.. like 3k views on his content.. nobody is interested. Compare that to someone like craig jones who has only had B-team established for 2 years... hes already got a roster of high level fighters competing on main stages such as quintet.. already pumping content out both comedic and BJJ related...
sure he had some success.. but compared to others in a similar boat who capitalised he was a failure
@@SHERMA. I get what you're saying but your comparing him to the greatest of all time on the mat to the greatest of all time on the mic. Hes way more notable and recognizable than some of the greats that hes beaten and who have beaten him. With that said BJJ is still a fringe sport and will probably always be...wnba players are more recognized unfortunately.
@@SHERMA.What is your goal in life? To get as many people to look at you on youtube as possible?
Kinda sad imo. So shallow. You must think the Kardashians are more successful than Gandhi? Lmao
Keyan's a millionaire, what does he need youtube views for? Pretty stupid criticism imo.
He has a gym--his gym not producing top-level athletes is a more reasonable critique. However, if his gym has hundreds of students, and they all grow and learn jiu-jitsu and form a great community, and his teaching has a positive impact on their lives, that seems more important than winning medals imo. For instance, look at Gordon Ryan. Greatest athlete for sure, but every time he opens his mouth he says some embarassingly stupid shit. And his own brother literally moved cross-country to leave his gym and train with other people, seems like more of a failure in life than Keyan in my book. Your statement about Keyan's successes says more about you than it does about Keyan.
He began his journey right down the road from my home. I knew his dad a bit. So cool...
We either love it from a technical and creative lens or hate it because it often leads to stalling and snoozing. Personally I have taught my students it so they can be familiar and they can choose to do what they want with it , but there is something about I never liked about it. As much as I respect it as a creative and controlling element that can lead to moments of excitement when an aggressive player uses it, I just feel a sense of disconnection from our fighting sprit and fighting reality when we start doing these 3 grip passes lapel entanglements. I just never felt a sense of satisfaction hitting a worm guard sweep, kind of felt like I'm gaming the game in a sense. I know that that probably won't resonate well with alot of people . For athletes trying to reach a pro level, it is arguably not going to help you get on cards, because you will be perceived as a boring fighter, whether that is fair or not. Gi BJJ is obviously still very popular but in an amateur sense. NoGi in a professional setting, people are going to get paid more and more as time goes by, because it is currently way more exciting to be a NoGi athlete. At the same time, I don't like the idea of a rule banning multiple lapel passes either. And I love the gi FYI. I just don't see much of a professional future compared to Nogi when lapel games play a big role in high level matches. Keenan is one of the top creative minds though of his generation and deserves much respect.
BJJ with a Gi should definitely be considered entry-level. In reality, are we grappling clothes or people? No-gi is the true test, imo
@@atrocious_pr0xy Depends where you are. If you are at work and a coworker starts swinging they are probably wearing something similar to a Gi, and so in that situation No-Gi is less realistic since in reality clothing gets in the way. At the bar a drunk guy takes his shirt off to start a fight with the first person he sees, No-Gi is all of a sudden more real.
Know both, practice whichever makes you happier.
Keenan deserves at least 1 more stripe on his belt, simply for impacting the development of BJJ at the level he has.
Awsome video. Keenan its a Living Legend.
100%
Great video Alec! Keenan was an innovator and changed the Gi game
Awesome video! Great editing and narration
Thanks a ton!
it’s pretty incredible that he’s won more world championships WITHOUT the gi…
Shows how competitive the gi is hahaha
He never got a single a world Championships in gi. I don't even know the reason of this vidéo in thé first place
Strange, but typical that Ryan says that Keenan was an inspiration, and then talks crap about him. A real personality flaw in my view.
🔥 great editing 👌 👏
Thanks 🔥
Our beloved OG Worm lord 👑
If Keenan did steroids, he may have been the greatest of all time.
Nobody would be able to escape the worm guard if that was the case 😂
How do you know that he didn't?
@@shrimuyopa8117 it just seems unlikely, we can't ever say for sure but yeah
@@lawrence4301its ridiculous, you cant say who is likely and less likely to be using peds without bias
@@ShakTMT not ridiculous, accurate. Some people are likely to not use roids. if you put gordon ryan, galvao and Keenan in a room and told me that one isn't roiding I would guess Keenan if I could look at him over Galvao's roided up traps.
This doesn't mean that keenan isnt roided, but i think that its less likely for people like him or lachlan giles.
Great video Alec!
Sergi Sergi
Once someone has you in worm, like 1 min in and your lower back is on fire. Worm guard crushes your opponents posture and its hard to deal with. Really slows the game down a bunch.
Thank you for sharing.
My pleasure!
I thought this was about a new cream for ringworm 😂
That's actually a great idea haha
Great stuff Alec
Glad you enjoyed it
Any time a martial art turns into sport we will find instances of people finding exploits in meta rules that may be effective but extremely boring. technique adapts to circumstance. I feel the same way about how outside evasive boxing winning via points and point karate makes it feel very boring. To me Capoeira rodas keep all the elements of play aggression deception and rhythm and watching those and learning how it works is the key to keeping sport/spectators entertained.
Great video!
Glad you enjoyed it
Great video! This type of guard is exactly why I hate rolling in pyjamas!
Great video again
Glad you enjoyed it
I don't blame him for doing it. I blame the idiots in charge of the rules for allowing undressing. It is the only sport where you are allowed to take your opponents clothing off.
Hehe.. i wanna say stuff like this, but don't wamna upset anyone. If the dude can take you kimono off and use it as a weapon, why can't the guy being attacked do the same? Maybe even use his belt as a noose? Seems silly.
When I fight I instinctively get rid of my shirt.
Bruh, awsome video! Here my like❤
Thanks 🔥
Do BJJ competitions enforce anti-doping rules? From what I'm seeing the answer is no. hard to take it seriously as a sport if that's the case. edit: 0:33 ah yes, that's how it's obvious they don't.
Unfortunately its pretty rampant in this sport
Must be nice to invert at will
Its good while you're young lol
I miss Lo & Keenan in the scene RIP Leandro Lo❤
Sad part was he never became a champion at black belt. I watched him since he was a blue belt. Came up through Loyd Irvin
Now you know why the Gracies INSISTED on allowing gis in the UFC when they created it. It was a weapon that the others didn't have and the only reason Royce beat Shamrock.
Having a kimono when the other person doesn’t have one is more so a disadvantage
Neat. Now you can beat up all the bad guys who attack you in the street while wearing their Gi.
💯 Keenan, the pajama party king.
That was a great video
🙏🏾
Been doing Gi and No-Gi for about 4 months i really disliked the gi at first, but once we learned worm guard i found rolling in the Gi is more fun.
Awesome
Always experiment... great advice. Makes the sport fun, for sure.
You got that right!
That’s a hell of a thumbnail.
I actually had another thumbnail that I liked but this one got more votes from my friends haha
I rolled with Keenan and go to his gym! Cool dude forsure
@5:02
No lol I think buchecha is more recognized for his bjj than his mma
People have a short memory. Especially with a lot of new people starting the sport
great video
🙏🏾🙏🏾
Great video. But that’s one the motives I do not appreciate BJJ, even being a Brazilian. I like to practice martial arts that technics don’t rely too much on you clothing 🤔
here's a crazy suggestion: no gi bjj !!!! :O
How well does it stack up against no-touch Chi Guard?
Much respect to Keenan, but playing these lapel guards is kinda like being a riot shielder in cod. Running flash bangs and throwing knives. Like sure it can work but it’s kind of annoying and gaming the system. Haha I also just personally don’t gravitate towards lapel gaurds because I don’t feel like there’s much real life translation in combat. It’s more just for the fun of grappling If I’m messing with spider or lasso or something like that. Great video!
Same. Plus, I don't want to destroy my hands with constant gripping. If you see Keenan's hands, they're wrecked. I'd like for my hands to be functional and useful well into old age. Also, I play guitar and don't want deformed fingers.
I don't understand. It seems only an advantage if the other guy is wearing a Gi as well/ other wise you just gave your opponent a bunch of strong places to grab you. I've never even seen a MMA tourney (not that I'm an expert or even close) where you are required to wear a GI. Is this a common thing? Or is it just because that's what they used to do in the olden days?
Says "as early as 2008" and then shows someone using lapel techniques from the 1990's? Lapel manipulation has been a part of BJJ since the beginning. Some people like it, some people call it frivolous.
Can you remove your top if an opponent grabs it or are you supposed to just let them grab your kimono?
Gi is so cool.
All I'm seeing is ankle lock, ankle lock, ankle lock, oh and ankle lock...
Keenan Cornelius e Worm guard meu ovo, o grande Paulo Bento já fazia isso 15 anos atrás.
Why does everything need a different name in BJJ?
Yeah all this niche lapel stuff is why I stick to no gi lol
Pretty funny how a simple understanding of physics can change a whole sport of people who pride themselves as intelligent
This is why I don't like training in the gi.
great vid. I can appreciate Kennan's dedication, creativity, and innovation however his matches are pretty boring like wnba boring
girls pull hair, boys pull lapels…
The thumbnail tho 😢
Alec can beat Keenan, where you at Keenan? where you at mothafucka..!!!!!
🤣🤣🤣
I am not really understanding the novelty of this personally. If anything this would need to be trained out of you. I was never a fan of gi for this exact kind of thing.
Definitely the goat if he took steroids, smash lame Gordy any day
I hate worm guard.
Also, what the hell happened to the audio?
I love Keenan as an online personality and teacher and have learned a lot from watching him but i refuse to learn worm guard
I cant stand bjj with Gi. Its watching dudes hold onto other dude's clothes, which feels just like when a woman holds onto another woman's hair durring a fight
Destroyed jiu jitsu. Now it’s becoming more a game of unrealistic lapel stuff than a self defense art. No wonder why no Gi is so popular right now. Gi game has became stupid.
What did he accomplished? Passa the guard of lo? Made buchecha take longer to finalize him? Are you serious? 😅😅😅😅
Worm guard is detrimental for BJJ to be an effective martial art rather than just a technique to just beat other BJJ practitioners.
Much like drop seoi nage in judo where done on the streets the knees would shatter from the drop, worm guard is a great technique to be a monster at the gym, but in real life and as a martial art technique, it's useless.
Fair but not everyone trains bjj strictly for self defense though.. some people just enjoy the sport itself
All judokas know that drop seoi nage is a sport variation so the self defense oriented guys are always exaggerating.
You meaning shattering your knees like this? She must have one hell of a surgeon then. ruclips.net/user/shortsMRTsabfMTgs
@@Themikeyrodexactly
So he invented the worst thing about bjj
😂😂😂 how much did he pay for this?
I love his tinkering obsession. Shame Gordon hates him now, and seems to have valid arguments
Bjj for clothes. Lame.
No wonder BJJ has become nearly irrelevant in MMA.
hate the gi lol
yup, he made BJJ in the Gi one of the most boring sports on the planet to watch.
Kkk.very
More like ruined Jiu Jitsu
You're just salty because you still get confused by the difference between overhooks and underhooks. You'd have no hope to learn the worm guard. It's not like Gi jui jitsu was ever actually interesting. Just some shit the Gracies used to make sure better grapplers from luta livre couldn't compete against them.
We either love it from a technical and creative lens or hate it because it often leads to stalling and snoozing. Personally I have taught my students it so they can be familiar and they can choose to do what they want with it , but there is something about I never liked about it. As much as I respect it as a creative and controlling element, I just feel a sense of disconnection from our fighting sprit and fighting reality when we start doing these 3 grip passes lapel entanglements. I just never felt a sense of satisfaction hitting a worm guard sweep, kind of felt gaming the game. I know that that probably won't resonate with alot of people . For athletes trying to reach a pro level, it is arguably not going to help you get on cards, because you will be perceived as a boring fighter, whether that is fair or not. Gi BJJ is obviously still very popular but in an amateur sense. NoGi in a professional setting, people are going to get paid more and more as time goes by, because it is currently way more exciting to be a NoGi athlete. At the same time, I don't like the idea of a rule banning multiple lapel passes either. And I love the gi FYI. I just don't see much of a professional future compared to Nogi when lapel games play a big role in high level matches. Keenan is one of the top creative minds though of his generation and deserves much respect.
@@brandonm5295💯 it’s a different approach to the game, for sure, but it’s not for me.
@@Specialistkayreally? Put any modern bjj guy in the ufc like it was back when the UFC first came out and I guarantee they would have gotten slapped simply because any of these silly bjj guards they use now are easy to deal with. Just start raining down punchs and its done.
It made already boring Gi juijitu more boring.
Weak
Gay material art
Great video!
Thanks!