I agree. The person breaking into my home with criminal intent is not entitled to know whether I am there, where I am or what my tactical advantages are. If I announce and they run before I can identify them, they would now know that firearms are available in this house and they could not be identified to law enforcement. They come in at their own risk.
Plus, if you warn them, they will leave and now they know where they can get a gun and you probably don't know what they look like and you could meet them in public and you would't know who they are, but they know you.
Yes that is sad isn't it! Thanks to liberal lawyers, liberal states, liberal counties, liberal judges, liberal state attorneys, etc. that protect and allow criminals to be criminals and get away with breaking the law and then defending them like they're the innocent one/victim. My opinion.
It's because criminals are in charge of this country. Government is supposed to punish the evil-doers and reward the good. But this has not been the case here for a long time. Criminals have nothing to fear as far as the law goes
It’s just so sick and sad of our judicial system that we even have to worry about this. Someone breaks into my home to rob or hurt us, and we have to worry about our decision in a stressful time like this. So sad this is even an issue in our crooked courts
@@patgriffes9659 I know place in this world they be dinner, I remember one who broke in and ended up with a Lion on his chest when I was just a boy didn't go well
I'm a firm believer in firing a warning shot. That is a round to the head of the first guy as a warning to second banana. If it doesn't work the first time then try it again with the 'new' first guy. Shampoo, rinse, repeat.
The mere fact that this has to be a topic of discussion shows how screwed up our legal system really is. "We" as free citizens aka (potential victims) should not have to defend ourselves in a home invasion scenario just to turn around and fight for our freedom in court. Repeat offenders are just that because of the lenient punishment they get. We need the right to defend our homes and family just like police do without any fear of repercussions.
Most of these laws are to protect the innocent. Say for example you’re a 22 year old going into your abusive step fathers home to help your mom and little brother. then he shoots you and says you were trespassing, and now you are a criminal and thrown away in a hole and he keeps banging your mom and punching your brother.
BUT I do agree it’s stupid when it’s obvious they are a criminal which prosecutors make difficult to see. It’s also in the constitution that everyone deserves a fair trial and them finding any way to prove their innocence is in a way a fair trial you know? It’s hard when you live in the free world because even the evil get the rights you do.
I was taught in the military you don't give your position away until the threat is neutralized or leaves without incident. Never give your position away.
I always found comments like this to be silly given the home invasion scenario is both legally and tactically different from soldiers clearing rooms in the Middle East. Even if I announce my presence, my position is so well defended that any frontal assault is impossible. So announcing I have a gun is simply one way to deter the threat and also make my legal case stronger.
@@gameragodzilla if the law permits you to shoot someone breaking into your home you don't need a stronger case. Most law is written extremely clear state to state, something like " . . . the use of deadly force is justified if burglary, tresspassing, xyz take place. " They will literally tell you what crime or forcible felony you can shoot someone over. The problem is everyone talks about castle doctrine but never reads their state laws. These videos complicate a simple topic. Read your statutes. If the law is on your side then it is on your side.
If you announce that you have a firearm you could be telling the intruder that you are a female and alone, that you're a child, that you're elderly and so on. The best thing is to keep every advantage you have and let them make all the mistakes, the first of which is picking your home. If you have cameras around your home use them to keep track of them and adjust your plan. Everyone needs to understand that as an average in the US, you will be facing three people not one so you will be needing every advantage you can get. Chose a good defensive position at the end of a hallway or top of a staircase and let them walk in front of your firearm. Ambushing the attacker is the best way of keeping them out of your home and winning the fight so use it. Just a little tip, always use a centerfire long gun for defending your home and use your handgun as a back-up. With a rifle or shotgun, you can fire one well-placed shot then move on to your next customer without needing to shoot at them over and over, but you can if you like. I hope you find this helpful.
I usually them them my son and I are unarmed and too buttoned up in our 3pc suits and bowties to put up a struggle. Usually just confront them with our hands up and wait for further instructions.
They crossed the red line, as soon as they entered my home. In this day and age, where everyone has a cell phone,there is absolutely no reason a criminal could claim "I just needed assistance." They made the wrong decision and I feel a great swell of pity for anyone coming into my home looking for trouble, I going to end that threat.
Personally…in my opinion, if a person breaks into a home that is obviously occupied, I’m going to make the assumption that he or she doesn’t care to hurt someone and is willing and prepared to do so if need be. Keeping that in mind, warning or no warning, you should be completely free to make sure that intruder is no longer a threat to you or your family. They broke into a house that they knew was occupied, or at least had a pretty good idea that it was. That’s enough for me. It’s almost like a slap in the face. “I know you’re home but I don’t care. I’m breaking in and taking what I want and if you get in the way, I’m prepared to hurt you to save myself.” That’s literally the only thought process an intruder could have in that situation.
If its obvious and they are coming for an occupied home then sure. But most robbers aren't trying to murder/get into conflict with someone. Its worse for them if they kill someone, now not all think about that. The one for me is I do not want to kill someone over my stuff. If I knew they were just gonna take some stuff and leave, id call the cops let them get there or track him down. But you can never know what they are thinking so I would probably have to defend myself. Just don't think that robbery = death.
My comment had nothing to do with robbery equals death. I’ve been the guy behind a broken window in the middle of the night. Thank god for my trigger discipline and been trained to identify my target because guess what, it was my own drugged out little brother. The year before that, a person came into my house at night time through my back French doors. Kids were home and all. Again, thank good for my training and discipline because it ended up being an elderly lady who used to live in my home and she was very mentally ill and thought she was home. She was obviously having an episode. So I know the drill. Been through it and death wasn’t the outcome. Though it could have been. The police department was quite happy with my decision making because even they said I could have legally used my weapon and they would be there to pick up a body. My comment was for the situation exactly in my comment. 99 percent of the time, If someone breaks into an occupied dwelling knowingly then yeah, I truly believe they have already made the decision that they’re not at all afraid to hurt someone. Most people aren’t going to be as disciplined. But I wouldn’t blame someone for not wanting to take that 1 percent chance that it’s not what it looks like or sounds like. I will never blame anyone for protecting the place their family lays down at night.
@@jayteefishing1543 i get what you are saying. My comment was for the bone head who said he’d just let the intruders into his home so they can take his stuff. He is making an assumption that intruders only want material things, and then leave the dwelling without hurting anyone. When someone breaks into an occupied dwelling, in the middle of the night the only thing you can do is assume whet they are capable of or incapable of. I’m not going to bet my money on the assumption that they are friendly intruders, and will not hurt anyone.
NJ is recently trying to have safe storage laws where you’re required to have guns unloaded in a separate locked container away from the ammo, which also must be locked. What’s to stop me from keeping a loaded magazine of my home defense gun in the safe with the gun. Unloading into the intruder. Calling the police, then unlocking the ammo safe and just saying I had them in separate containers?
@BennogusTV I never said it was bro lol I was talking to Jimmy and we did not mention NJ once. Not sure where you got that Yes, some liberal states like NJ won’t have it. I am familiar with NJ law, I lived there for many years
Be careful with that. A Coloradian went to jail after he killed to teens that broke into his home. His home had been burglarized multiple times and he was just don’t with it. I don’t agree with him joking to jail just letting you know circumstances matter. Also, don’t talk to police. Speak with your USCCA lawyer first.
Even California law is pretty much the same. As long as they BROKE IN (or are in the process of breaking in) and they are not a member of the household, a resident/homeowner can use deadly force and that person is PRESUMED to have been in a reasonable fear for their safety and the safety or their household. The most important thing is to properly identify the intruder as an ACTUAL intruder. The other day I heard a news story on the radio where a father fatally shot his teenage daughter in the middle of the night because he THOUGHT she was an intruder. He broke the fundamental rule of "always be aware of your target," and he likely will (and should be) charged in her homicide.
I used to share a house with2 guys. I was an armed guard, one guy was the son of cop and the other guy was from Texas so we'd all been raised around guns. I got off work early one night, get home at 3am and something is wrong it the lock. I'm jiggling it, turning the handle back and forth and the door just isn't opening. Finally I get it to work, the door opens, I step into a dark house and at the top of the stairs I hear someone rack a shotgun round. The light goes on and there's my roommate at the top of the stairs, in his underwear, holding a Mossberg (not pointed at me, but at the ready). He sees it's me, shakes his head and plods back to bed. It was a safe comfortable place to live. Great roommates
Yep, I would tell the Office " I warned him several times yet he continued on towards me in an aggressive manner so I shot until the threat was no longer a threat and neutralized. Feel free to ask the intruder yourself Officer." Officer: " The intruder is dead sir." Me: "You don't say hmmm"
"Do You Tell A Home Invader You’re Armed?" For me it depends if its day or night. Rule of thumb; if they come in the day they're after your stuff. If they come at night they're coming after you. Day time, I'm yelling at them to leave. At night, I think it would be easy to assume from the deafening reports, muzzle flashes, and impacts of high velocity lead that the home owner is armed. Does anyone think the intruder is going to be honest and tell the cops he was warned?
Let's say for the sake of this discussion that you are absolutely right. At night, they are coming for you or someone you love. You hear something and have time to get to a gun. You shout, "We are armed!" (Maybe it's just you, or only you are armed, but mess with their minds some.) You've just let them know they need to leave and come at you another time or place. Next time you may not see or hear them first. It may not be as cut and dried as a self-defense shooting inside your home. As an aside, if you have beef with someone(s) willing to do a home invasion to get to YOU, you have bigger problems than one encounter, even if you prevail this time. It'd be time to move far away.
@@kingpurest6279 What a dumb comment. Considering this is the case in republican ran states as well as we just had a republican white house and nothing changed. Grow up and stop blaming liberals for all your problems. Use that tiny brain of yours.
A home invader is going to search your entire home for what they can steal, so they are going to eventually find you. Most burglars do not want to get shot, just like most people. Shooting someone laying in wait will not look good in court. But if in immediate danger don't waste time with a warning, surviving comes first. But locked in a room, yea give the criminal a chance to leave. Tactikewl idiots will always advise shoot first, that is why they are idiots.
@@walkingwolf8072 How do you know the criminal is only a burglar? If someone tries to burglarize property in a 2A state then I assume they don't care as much if they shot.
@@bullyboy131 Criminals always have a motive, it may vary but few of them want to get shot. There are actual studies of prison inmates that they will avoid getting shot, or armed citizens. Most times the motive for breaking into a home is getting stuff/money, sometimes it is more evil but that is rare. Even though crime has risen in large cities, for the most part the country is very safe, not every person is out to get you as the tactikewl idiots would like you to believe. After all they are not the ones who are going to go through hell after a shooting. Sometimes shooting is the only choice, but for the law abiding citizen it is best to avoid it, if possible.
I'm a combat vet and have the training to defend my house and my family. Your average citizen does not have the skill necessary to do this. You must get training. You have to be able to do several things all at once. There are allot of factors that play into this. If you are alone stay where you are, arm your self, and take up a defensive position, and call 911. If it's you and another but are in the same room, again stay where you are. If there are kids then you must move to secure there rooms and if possible move them to your room, call 911. There is so much more to know but i'd be on here for hrs teaching. Knowledge is power. Get the training because when shtf you don't get a do over.
They are not in the house to sell tuperware. Only for mayhem and possibly murder. We cannot know if the intruder is spreading a flammable ready to burn the house and occupants down.
A truly disgusting state of affair (situation) that you must ALSO carry around a lawyer in your back pocket as well as your home-defence weapon. Someone breaks into your home so now you need to be packing heat as well as packing shark.
I'd like Kevin and Tom to discuss a less "neat" home layout, one where there are children on different levels of the home. I know of several families that have kids in basement bedrooms. This is not necessarily an atypical situation so let's address it.
Our daughter sleeps about two feet to the side of our line of fire for anyone coming through our front door. She's in a position where we have a very limited field of safe fire. We regularly practice for fire escape and intruder response. We had a fire three years ago... and everything worked perfectly! Family was out in 10 seconds WITH the pets and "abandon ship bags" (a throwback to my sailing/cruising life), and my wife was on her way back in 30 seconds to see that I had actually managed to contain, and then stop the fire. All this to say PRACTICE. TRAINING. Your brain is a "muscle", and just as training builds muscle memory for weapons handling, so training builds the same instinctive responses in your head. If you have a "dirty" shooting environment in your home, it's imperative that you TRAIN YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. That child is dead center of your most likely line of fire? Get them a bunk bed, move them to the other side of the room, put kevlar in the wall... DO SOMETHING about it. Train them to respond quickly and correctly to your shouted orders. Our daughter is just off our line of fire... so if I scream "(HER NAME), COVER!!!!!!" she knows to grab her gun and roll sideways against the wall, giving us an extra 2 feet of safe fire zone. If someone opens her door without the "clear code"... she puts 11 rounds right up their nose, and HER fire zone is totally clear. This isn't the safe place we in our 30s and 40s grew up in. There's so much rage, anger, and poverty right now that people are going out of their minds, and our lawmakers are not keeping their oaths in mind. "Hard times breed hard people. Hard people breed good times. Good times breed soft people. Soft people breed hard times." We're in the last bit... soft people. Hard times are danger close.
Right. I'm amazed that the conversation never becomes more nuanced than "sweep the house because you think you are Rambo or hide in the closet because property isn't worth a life, yours or the criminals" when in actuality most homeowners who would engage in such behavior are likely to do so because they don't live alone and there is more at stake in a home invasion for them than just their own lives and property that compel them to take such risks.
Membership not available for Washington State ? What the ? I'm actually not surprised. Thanks for the useful video though. I try to catch as many as I can
Do you really think announcing will work? I highly doubt that the “bad guy” or the “intruder” and their accomplices are going to say in court, “yes your honor, he did tell me he was armed and I chose not to leave”. Criminals lie!!! Even if you announce you are armed, they intruder is going to lie and say you didn’t. That’s why I have cameras all through my house that record audio as well as video. My CCW instructor who happens to be LEO said something that will always stay with me. “A dead man tells no lies”
@@mrjeffjob he was saying that in the form as, if you fear for your life, and someone is trying to break down your bedroom door, and you don’t “announce yourself” and you just wound them and it goes to court, you could lose, because some states laws say that if they don’t have a weapon and pose a threat, you can’t shoot. That’s why he said, “A dead man tells no lies”. He wasn’t saying it telling us to just shoot whoever, he was basically saying if you don’t know what to do, and you fear for your life, make it count.
I guess my first question would be... How can that, whether you announced or not, be proved in a court of law? Could you not just say you did and the perp just say you didn't?
Thats why if you shoot someone you should shoot to kill, because dead men tell no tales. Well this is theain reason why one should shoot to kill, the second is because he can still move if he is not dead and is therefore still dangerous.
USCCA - I’m not advocating for clearing the house, but do have a question. If you did clear the house and found the bad guy hiding by the water heater, as was mentioned by your guest in this video, he commented that you then have some problems … what problems? In either case, whether you found the bad guy by the water heater or whether you were defending the hallway leading to your location (and the bad guy advanced down the hallway), in both cases you are confronting someone who intends to do you harm, so how is one scenario more problematic legally than the other?
Thank you for always presenting such critically important information from both a defense attorney and police officer's point of view. The legal implications always concern me. I really enjoy all of your advice/scenario/etc. videos.
Be more concerned for you life. If you have a good attorney and you are a good citizen, you will be fine so long as you aim to stop the threat, not kill them. Good luck.
@@hollyfoxThe As Colonel Cooper said, if you point your firearm at someone to stop the threat, you can't worry whether they live or die. Your goal is stopping the threat.
Maybe. 😊. It depends. I'm in a castle doctrine state. I can stand my ground. Location is an important factor of risk assessment. Not only your jurisdiction and local laws, but where are you and your family are in relation to the threat (s) can be important factors. Are there multiple attackers? Are the perceived threat(s) inside your home, at the front door, outside a window, in your backyard or somewhere else. Where are you? Should you move toward the threat or away to a safe room and call 911? Here are a few scenarios: 1) Four men enter backdoor at 2AM. The first one goes directly to kitchen, grabs a butcher knife and meets other three in living room. Lights are off. Rooms are dark. Camera with night vision in living room shows little women rush into living room after she heard something shooting at home invaders. The invaders hear rapid shots fired in the dark, run out the way they came in. Shots fired is a universal language that most criminals understand and will quickly respond to. Scenario 2: Women with her small child home alone hides in the corner of an attic with revolver. Black man starts to enter the attic. Woman shoots six rounds at invader to protect her child and herself in fear of her life at this point. Invaders says ""Stop shooting at me." 3) Woman home with baby on couch warns man beating on door to go away. Man knocks door open. Woman shoots home invader after he entered front door in chest with a shot gun. Man falls down, dies. Police come and rule it self defense. 4) Young man calls a former girlfriend after they broke up two years prior that he wants to talk to her on her voicemail. She doesn't return his call. She is home with her parents and little brother. The young man knocks on front door. The young former girlfriend tells her parents in the living room that he called her, she didn't return his call and that she doesn't want to talk to him. He continues to bang on the door. The father shouts out from his family in the living room to the young man at the door, "I got a gun." The young man continued to bang on the front door. The father shoots the young man through the front door. The young man walked away from the front door, fell down in the front driveway. The family remained in the living room. The neighborhood heard shots fired in the daytime and found the young man down on the ground not moving. The neighbors entered the front yard and shouted out to their neighbors inside, 'Did you shoot him? He's dying. He's dead! What should you do?
Just as you are taught to say you felt your life was in danger, I will always tell first responders that I told the intruder to stop, I have a gun. Regardless if that’s what I said or not.
Best option is to remain silent and seek legal counsel. You don't need any word games coming up moving forward. "This is self defense. No further comment until I speak with legal counsel. I want my lawyer."
@@boondogglet132 💯. "Thank you for responding so quickly officers. I will fully answer all your questions after I've had time to speak with my lawyer. " Then shut up and deal with it.
@@boondogglet132 Better yet, "He broke into my home and tried to harm me, I used my gun to defend myself. I feel really sick, please take me to the hospital."
@@anonymouslee2083 why do you feel sick? Why do you want to go to the hospital?. For the courts, since you are now in custody we will require a full blood draw and analysis. Oh you had one beer and your bac is .005.... you were intoxicated and not in the right frame of mind to make proper decisions..... Are you addicted to alcohol? Do you have a drinking problem. If you couldnt go one night without drinking you must have a problem. _______ See how quickly this can spiral out of control?
I would give a home invader 3 choices: Turn around and leave, surrender and wait for the police or make one move towards me and take the room temp. challenge. I don't want to kill someone in my house unless it was absolutely necessary.
You are correct. So many 2A folks are all ready to shoot it up to protect. They do not know how this will change your life, even if deemed a clean shoot.
Do I hear a little "cover your ASP"? They get nothing from me except pew pew, and more pew pew as necessary. Personally I'm not going to give up my position to a bad guy in order to give him the opportunity to flee or advance. If you broken into my house I fear for my life and you are there to do harm period.
@@jamesbarrick3403 killing an intruder may very well change my life, but I will choose that every time over anything negatively impacting my wife or kids in any way. If there is ANY concern for my family, I’m aiming to end the threat.
What do you do If someone breaks into your home and your security dogs charge and attack do you stay at the top of the stairs or do you engage and provide the dogs with back up?.. i'd be clearing the house with my dogs and possibly with my wife who has same training as me and we'll be working as unit
The one time I had an actual intruder (vs outside damage/vandalism/theft), they got two warnings. The first was my wife and I chambering the .45 1911s we carry and use. The second was her telling them they were in a two-way crossfire, LEAVE. NOW. I wasn't going to say anything at all. Look, I get what you're telling me here. We have to be more concerned about our legal safety than our physical. It's BS. We know it. You know it. Prosecutors know it. Crooks know it. But from my perspective... man I REALLY don't want to shoot someone, whether they live or die is immaterial to this discussion. I DON'T want to shoot them. I DON'T want to hurt anyone. I LOVE shooting my weapons... proficiency training is FUN... and while in the back of my mind is the full knowledge of why I do that training, I want it to stay fun. If I have to hurt or kill someone, it stops being fun and that theoretical "thing" in the back of my head becomes reality. A reality no sane person wants. The one time I faced a person with a loaded weapon near to their hands, and they refused to comply with my demands to keep their hands up, all that training came into play. The muscle memory was there, it worked, and in the end noone died. Hell, no one even got hurt. Their behavior changed before the trigger broke, and we all survived the night. As for the intruders... my wife and I still laugh about the ending. Those two idiots just about killed their own selves getting themselves somewhere else! By the time they got back outside we couldn't have shot them no matter what... we were laughing too damned hard at their antics!!! We were house sitting... and they had no idea there was even anyone there!!! My vote.... is not a hard answer. As always, these things are case-specific. These guys were loud, obnoxious, and clueless. We warned them, they left. The noisy ones aren't the dangerous ones. If they'd been quiet, stealthy, and skilled... we likely would not have had time to warn them. In that case it's clear you just point and shoot, center of mass, and keep shooting until they stop moving. As one cop told me... "Don't stop shooting till you're up to your ass in brass." Be smart, be cool, make good choices. Only you will know what those choices are.
Please for the love of god keep your Gun Chambered. Your wife and you both were at very serious disadvantage if he would have been armed and already chambered one of you would have been shot at least while the other under duress now has to get that round chambered get the gun on target and fire. CHAMBER YOUR FIREARMS.
@@ArmaGuyz I will never understand why people carry their self defense firearm unchambered. If they really feel it’s so unsafe they should practice and train with that firearm until they can change that mindset, it’s that simple. The only time my firearm doesn’t have a round in the chamber is when I’m cleaning it or doing dry fire practice.
I think most burglars flee when they know the homeowner is there. That way, if it's just a petty thief who poses no real threat to you, they'll get scared off. If the intruder doesn't leave, and approaches your location, you pretty much have a green light to shoot to kill, because they're signaling that the intent was to kill you all along.
Problem with letting them go is that now they have a vengeance. You have denied them access to "their" rightful property that YOU worked for (that's how malignant narcissists think.) Scare 'em off and now they'll be back with more muscle (and possibly weapons.)
The main thing is to avoid having to utilize your weapon. First things first. Let them know they’re in the wrong house. If they don’t retreat out they made a decision and assume responsibility.
In duty to retreat states, you literally tip toe through the tulips out the door! 😂Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
Knowing your target is something that everyone should practice. Case in point. I was in my bed at midnight. Wife asked me to get her something to eat. I grabbed my gun as I always do and went down stairs in order to get her food. I had a cousin downstairs without any lights on while rummaging through the kitchen. My Glock was aimed at her (I still didn’t know it was her, she was suppose to be sleeping) I called her to see if it was her, she didn’t answer. Then I turned the lights on and recognized her. What I’m trying to get at is the identification of your target is key before you pull the trigger. I also bought a weapon mounted light after that. With that in mind. I’m not telling anyone who broke into my house that I’m armed. They broke in and know that if someone is there they may meet resistance. The sign posted is warning enough to someone who breaks into my home.
I'm not a lawyer and my only legal training regarding this is the concealed carry class I had to take. It's me and my wife...anyone else in the house gets shot. I have zero obligation to announce, call the police first, barricade, etc. Personally I think anyone who goes around to "clear" their house is an idiot. Unless you have other people to protect somewhere else in the house, get armed and call the police. But our layout is such that if I see a figure, it's taking fire. Let's hope it never happens but more and more I'm afraid it will.
Problem with that is your wife could let someone in who attacks you. Almost anyone can get into a house with a woman in it, they just gush over the house how it's decorated, and she lets him right on in, then he rapes her. Unless you wife is the unusual sort that's immune to people kissing her ass over "her" house, having her carry a gun isn't a great plan because an intruder might just take it from her and use it on her (and you.) If you ever have to draw your gun in the house and your wife screams at you to "stop!" as women so often do (siding with the belligerent, as is instinctive for many of them) then don't allow her to carry a gun in your house.
@@devilsoffspring5519 My wife got her carry permit but never carried the gun she meticulously picked out. Her health is such that the gun sits in the safe. She’s home alone but there’s not much I can do. If trouble starts coming our way she’s gonna have to dust off that gun. We have camera, dogs. Let’s hope it never comes to that.
@@asmith7876 Cameras can be a double-edged knife, they might provide evidence that the guy broke in--but, they'll also provide evidence that you shot him--which gets worse if you do what you rightfully should do, which is finish him off so he can't sue you or attack you again. I'm not sure how that will work out in court, and it probably varies greatly depending on where you live.
Agreed. BUT a great point was brought up about "your son came home unexpectedly and drunk from college"... It has happened. Dad shoots a kid or kids friend
I do not know what state you are evaluating, but in Florida, if someone BREAKS into or otherwise FORCES his or her way into your home if you are inside, that is a forcible felony. Deadly force is permitted by statute. One does not have to kill him or her, but one reasonably can. It is a very appropriate standard.
I have my wife, daughter, and granddaughter that live here. I'll defend them as needed as they could be anywhere in the house as well for an intruder to take hostage etc. Agreed, know your target however.
You need to be making your home very hard for anyone to get in including all doors and windows. Defend your home from the inside out and never allow them to get inside without you knowing. Have an adult man try to get into your home as a test then fix whatever week point, they find. Do this over and over until that can't get in without breaking a window or making a bunch of noise.
@@largelarry2126 Yes! Absolutely, all the houses (including this one here!) are built like crap and effortless to get into if you really want to. Almost every place is like that, a big rock or a baseball bat and you can get in. That's not a bad idea, after you've secured your place find a huge guy and pay him to break in any way he wants. Found the point of entry, beef it up and do it again.
Both times my home was invaded/broke into by unwanted individuals, I announced. One of the times was into my garage. I went outside and around the opposite side of the garage. Seeing a shadow of a person, I turned my flashlight on him and told him to leave and that I was armed and would protect my property and person. He took off running. I went inside called law enforcement and gave a description. The 2nd time, my bedroom window was busted in while I was in the room sleeping. I immediately woke. Grabbed my flashlight and opened my bedside safe and grabbed a handgun from it. While doing that I also yelled out announcing I have a firearm and will protect myself. In this incident law enforcement (K9 unit) was at my home in under 3 minutes. I live in a very safe city in SC. I was still clearing my home. Law enforcement stated they would send the K9 to sniff around outside. I was still clearing my home and he knocked and told me they did not find anyone. I probably scared them off. Law enforcement did not want to or rather did not come inside for whatever reason, but I did tell dispatch I had firearms and was clearing the inside of my home. Luckily I never had to fire a shot. It's not good when one does, based on other experiences.
@@Sdukes001 these incidents happened 12 years apart. There is a different city about 10 miles from my home that is not very safe and people from that city tend to come to the city I live to commit crimes. There is also a town about 5 miles from my home that has high crime where the same thing occurs. Typically the crimes happening in my city are vehicle break ins at night. Typical crimes in these other 2 places I mention are armed robbery, assaults, etc. So yeah according to law enforcement data the city I live in is quite safe. I live in an affluent neighborhood that is NOT gated and criminals tend to see it as easier prey. My house typically has lights on within the kitchen and den. They are on timers and turn on and then off at different times during the night. The night my window was busted, all of my lights were off and my timers didn't come on. The night someone was breaking into my garage, I have no idea about. He left with nothing though. He had opened a side door that my wife or daughters left unlocked. So by law, he did not break in, but entered without breaking. The typical criminals doing these small robberies are caught within 6 months usually. The issue becomes the courts letting them out like it's a revolving door. They tend to become repeat offenders and often with escalating criminal behavior. Generally those tend to happen closer to home for them.
I live right in the middle of gang central and lived here for over 15 years and never had no one try to break in my house. You had 2 diffrent times people tried to break in your house how can you call a safe area?
What happens if you don't have a second floor. You have a house just with first floor only. And you in your bedroom and your armed. And your kids bedrooms are on the other side. What do you do then.
As a "property procurator" I assume that all my "clients" have defense measures in place. It is a professional risk that I accept as my vocation is rather risky.
My CCW instructor stated his personal position involved a "Last Stand room". Some people would call it a safe room, but I think last stand is more accurate. He stated there are 3 items always present in the room. 1. A handgun safe with a loaded gum. This covers the rare instance he isn't already armed. 2. A cell phone programmed to rapid dial 911 when ANY key is held. 3. A piece of paper showing the address, so he doesn't have to remember where to tell 911 he is located. He also stated the wall opposite the only entrance is reinforced to stop bullets so he isn't concerned with "over penetration" if he shoots. He stated that in a scenario where he utilizes the last stand room, he would call 911, activate the speaker phone, and state his address and that there was an intruder in the home. He would then set down the phone, with the 911 call active on speakerphone. His next action would be to loudly announce that he was armed and any attempt to enter the room would be considered an attempt on his life and met with deadly force. This clearly sets the standard of reasonable belief of an eminent threat if the intruder breaches the room.
Forget the Castle Doctrine. If you live far enough in the sticks, there is always the Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up Doctrine, the last part of which is the most important.
I have to disagree with the lawyer here on some of his comments. First, when you tell the invader that you're armed and already call 911, you do it with the expectation that the intruder will leave the house. If he doesn't and try to attack you, then you have the right to defend yourself. That's when you put your training and knowledge to work. Second, I do not believe the intruder will stick around once he knows the police is on its way. I do know one thing; I will not hire this lawyer. He went around and around with the subject but never really answer the question. Also, he came out with scenarios that really doesn't make sense; like the son coming back from college. Come on, you know the difference between someone that have a key for the house and someone who is breaking into your house.
@Silverback Gamer Maybe he did, but his daughter looked and sounded like a big burly dude. Sick jokes aside, that's a horrible thing to happen and it's why you have to be careful if you don't live alone. Even if you do, make sure you aren't about to shoot the firefighters! They're the ONLY people who have any business breaking into your home.
Now why in the hell would I announce "I'm armed" to an intruder whom I have no idea if they're armed or not? Stupid. If someone is in your house, you must assume they are there to kill you and your family and act accordingly. You know your homes layout. You take a defensive position and wait. If the intruder stumbles into your line of site, you shoot now, ask questions later. Do you you 'hunt' down the intruder? Too many variables involved. Most cases, probably not unless the intruder is between you and a childs bedroom in which case you must go on the hunt. General rule of thumb for an intruder in your home is to shoot now, ask questions later.
A whole lot of people are going to agree with you on that--but NOT the law. That's why killing him anyway is still a good plan--he can't testify against you.
A stranger entering my house without permission or any signal of intent has made the choice to end their life. It may not happen but in a worst case scenario. He is going out feet first.
These scenerios are based on fantasy situations. In real life, you have burglaries and you have home invasions. Burglary is stealth. They think you're not home. They go through the back in the dark. They run if they hear something. They are usually alone. Home invasion know you're home and try to enter as quickly as possible to catch you off guard and circumvent you getting your weapon. During a home invasion, you'll be cooking dinner or in the shower or on the toilet. You'll be anywhere other than right by your weapon because they kicked the door in and moved so fast that you couldn't get to it. My point is that announcement depends on the situation. If you hear creeping noise, announcement will alert the burglar that someone is home and they may flee. But if you are unlucky enough to have to go through a home invasion then you should hide, hope you can get to your weapon, unlock it, chamber it only to find that your family are hostages now, so you'd give your gun up and get brutalized.
These videos…well, the titles and the ideas of these videos are great and could be so much more informative and helpful than they are. I sometimes think you guys could go down the rabbit hole a little more in a lot of your videos. Love the channel and this is not at all any hate or negativity. Just some friendly input. Maybe make the videos a little longer just to add in some deeper understanding and info.
Kenneth, that would be better than what we got. But I’m not talking about just this video. There are many more. The one that sticks out to me the most is the video about the guy in the grocery store that pulled a knife on the cashier and the guy behind him pulled out his firearm and stopped the crime from taking place. The title of the video was something like “can you legally draw your weapon in this situation” or something along those lines. Go watch that video.
I 100% agree with your statement of yelling out: “I know you are here, I have called the police. I am armed. If you don’t leave, you will be shot”. It helps eliminate that accidental family member sneaking in, and gives the person an opportunity to leave.
You know what else does that? Properly Identifying your targets before you pull the trigger. Parenting so that they know that you will defend the home with your gun and that if they are sneaking in in the middle of the night they might be met with a muzzle in their face and should probably shout its ME DAD!! and deal with being in trouble instead of accidentally being shot. That seems pretty damn simple to me. Most kids if they are going to sneak in know if they might be shot. They also usually use their OWN window. which wouldnt be expected to come open unless the parent knew they were gone in which case the lights would be on and the parent waiting for them to get home. Other wise they would believe that their kid was home and awake at that time of night. So many people talk about scenarios that ARE VERY EASILY AVOIDED. If your family members have any sense and care and they will say its me dad Im just getting a snack... Its me Im just getting a drink sorry to wake you. If people think they need to just shoot without looking than when they go to prison for manslaughter they did it to themselves. PROPER IDENTIFICATION OF YOUR TARGET. Proper parenting, Properly explaining to your family or friends who live there to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHEN ASKED TO DO SO are very easy things to do. No need to shout out IM IN HERE IVE GOT A GUN!! COME FIND ME AND MAKE ME SHOOT YOU... Thats stupid. Especially if you have family.
There is only one way in my home and that requires a key. If I hear glass break. I know it's not family. Besides my family will text me advising of arrival if coming late. Because they know what we have
If you say you know he's there and you're armed, the intruder now knows approximately where you are. What happens if he's armed as well, and he starts shooting in your general direction? Perhaps it's best to stay quiet and stay in your safe / last stand place. The fact is though, imho, is that until you're in that position, you don't know what you'll do.
My wife is to bunker, locking me out of the "safe space", armed and on the phone with 911. Since I have cleared abodes before that I didn't know and I know my home enough to walk it in the dark, I'm going clearing after I tell them to "LEAVE!". Just once. Flipping on lights as I go. They've always ran, never had to engage, best gunfights. Don't know how long it's gonna take deputies to show up, It's my home, I'll clear it. Deputies will make their presence known, I'll holster and invite them in. Pants, pistol, boots everyday.
Agreed, draw your line in the sand and defend the safe space weather it's the top floor or one room, don't go looking for someone, it's alot harder than it looks in the movies especially if you're doing it alone.
The line in the sand was already crossed when a intruder breaks in your house. You CAN be a john wick. You have home field advantage...you know the layout of your home. Intruders don't.
You said that by announing you are "laying the red line", wouldn't a locked door be enough of a "red line" to say the perp has already crossed it by B&E?
A woman announcing herself in the house (with a gun) might create additional problems for herself. (Same for someone who 'sounds' old or very young.) Up until that point the robbers might be thinking any occupants are male. If you ARE going to announce yourself, make it plural. As in "WE are in the house and WE are armed." Make the robbers think there are more than one of you.
I don't see any real value in that, though once you've made your presence known it can't hurt. Know this: the invader[s] isn't there to chat about your family, it is entirely reasonable to assume they are going to do harm. Act accordingly.
I hear the stance of holding a position, but I think it changes when you have kids on different levels. You can’t just hold. You have to clear the house.
It doesn't matter if you're a soldier, that doesn't count for anything in court at all. They'll lock you up like anyone else. A cop, maybe (almost certainly.) A judge, absolutely. But not a soldier.
We're seniors; I was a licensed FFL; NY state firearms sales license; NYS Gunsmith licensed and CCW holder. I have a tactical advantage holding the entire second floor with only One Way Up. I control that egress with multiple firearms at my disposal. Weapon of choice for this old cogger is my Mossberg Cruiser loaded with # 4 Buckshot and slugs, every other one. With several backup weapons readily available. There WILL be only story to be told to law enforcement....MINE.
@@backwoodscharlie8483 only if he can see them first in the dark. I would bet on dogs that are trained only to attack not growl or bark. Also what do think his odds would be versus 4 or 5 dogs?
@@chrisclark5204 a dog that doesn't warn? You want wolverines or honey badgers. Though keep in mind they can be a menace to the keeper in equal measure!
My plan has always been to shout and tell them to leave the way they came. They likely cannot enter near my bedroom and there's a Galway leading to it. If they come to my voice, they are likely not up to any good and I will defend myself. I'm curious what your thoughts on telling someone to leave is
I’m 65 and I know the world has changed since I was a kid on the farm in Indiana. But I remember the sheriff was out to the house for some reason one night. But I do remember him tell my dad dead men don’t testify.
My opinion: 1. Hear intruder 2. Quietly Get defensive tools 3. Quietly Guard best single entry point between Loved ones and intruder(s). 4. Quietly call Police. 5. Quietly Wait for the police, see what happens. Do's: 1. Defend loved ones, not property. Property can be replaced and is not as easily protected by law. 2. Call Police, its their job to enforce the law and arrest the invader. Your job is to defend your life. 3. Silently Turn on any lights near invader from you defensive position. 4. If you have see the intruder(s) from your defensive position, verify not friendly, shoot to kill. Don'ts: 1. Give away your position. No announcement of position, no speaking, no chambering of round in defensive tool because it is already chambered. 2. Leave defensive position to seek out invader(s). 2a. Are you protecting your property? You took a life to save property? Does not stand in court as well. 2b. Are you trying to give up a tactical advantage. Is your property downstairs worth risking your life over? (death or prison)
Could not announcing be construed in some locales as 'laying in wait'? If you live in an anti-2A state and end up getting charged, does it look better for your defense if you prove you announced?
if you announce they could then take precautions when they try to find you or just start shooting if they are armed. what's wrong with shooting them if necessary then saying you announced.
I faced a different situation where 3 of the 4 ex-cons were trying to invade my home. I was on the phone with a deputy a minute before 3 of them ran up my driveway and 1 was about to appear in the back of my home. My mother was 78 or 79 with cardiovascular disease and would later get an aneurysm removed by open heart surgery after this incident. That last detail was one of the reasons I was at the foot of the stairs prepared to deter anyone who might have come in. And that’s exactly what happens without having to shoot. Being in the same room with my mom and shooting a shotgun would have been devastating to her, not just the ex-cons if they had come in. In the end one of the deputies told my mother I did everything right. Do you agree?
Its so important that we never cookie cutter home invasion situations and always have some sort of plan based on the layout of your home. I feel you made the best choices. Its a great advantage to have a second story that you can defend and since you were able to get at the foot of the stairs in time and have that moment to deter any intruders before they had a chance to get to your mothers room was the best case scenario. Did the intruders flee after noticing your presence or did you have to shoot?
If someone is in the process of trying to get in when your house is all dark in the middle of the night or during the day and you have a empty driveway. You should ABSOLUTELY announce your presence because there’s a much higher chance that it’s a burglar (not a home invader) that thinks no one’s home and will take off when they realize someone is home. Burglary and Home Invasion are NOT the same thing. One is a violent crime the other is not. Burglary is much more common. Don’t make your home appear as if no one is home is a good rule to go by to begin with.
Have a plan. Know why you have chosen said plan. Execute said plan to the best of your abilities. You need a reason for the things that you do. Train, plan, arm ,execute If you have a situation like I have where my elderly mother is in another portion of the house apart from the regular bedroom section the rest of us are in the idea to just guard the hallway doesn't necessarily work. Depending on where the bad guy(s) is/are I may need to defend her in a different part of the house. This complicates my situation greatly.
Yeh so, it is extremely easy these days to set up surveillance cams throughout your home, each space. They can even be set to turn on only when you're heading to bed and be motion activated. You can do the same for the lights in each room. I will say this, anyone breaking into my home, while I'm there, will live to regret it as long as I desire... but they won't be leaving alive. The moment you violate my rights, yours end. This should be the law throughout the country. If it was, these types of situations would decline very quickly.
I have kids ranging from 1 to 12 years old on both floors of my house. There is no single defensible position in my home if everyone is in their bedroom during the break-in, and the kids are not old enough to actively participate in the defense. I’m not announcing to avoid a hostage situation with one of my kids, but I am (very carefully) clearing the house. My reaction time will be down so I can positively confirm my family is not in my line of fire. Call it counter-ambush if you want. I call it rescue. If I find the home invader behind my water heater, he is welcome to wait there for the police to arrive. Any move on his part to go back through the home where my family is will be considered a threat to their safety.
The only way into my cave is through a reinforced window or (somehow) through a double plated steel door. In that case there will not be time for talking. Someone's definitely going down. I don't know anybody and most of my family is dead so there's no reason for anyone to show up... and let themselves in. This isn't a TV sitcom where everyone can walk through the front door which is _never_ locked, accompanied by stock whooping or canned laughter sound effects. Here in Indiana it's a free and very relaxed state. If anyone's getting popped indoors it's for damn good reason. Just remember to incapacitate, not murder, then call 9-1-1 immediately, say there was a shooting then hang up, don't touch anything.
VOTE: Would you tell the home invader you're armed?
No 😂😂
Absolutely not
Nope I stand my ground in fl
Nope
he'll find out when staring down the barrel
They didn't warn us as they break into my home, so to return the same courtesy we should not warn them either.
Best comment here lol
I agree 100%
I agree. The person breaking into my home with criminal intent is not entitled to know whether I am there, where I am or what my tactical advantages are. If I announce and they run before I can identify them, they would now know that firearms are available in this house and they could not be identified to law enforcement. They come in at their own risk.
@@stevekiss616 Exactly!! And I also talked about this before. If they run away before I can identify them, they could come back more prepared.
Plus, if you warn them, they will leave and now they know where they can get a gun and you probably don't know what they look like and you could meet them in public and you would't know who they are, but they know you.
The fact that we live in a country where the bad guy can break into your house and you end up in Prison is mind blowing to me
Yes that is sad isn't it! Thanks to liberal lawyers, liberal states, liberal counties, liberal judges, liberal state attorneys, etc. that protect and allow criminals to be criminals and get away with breaking the law and then defending them like they're the innocent one/victim. My opinion.
It's because criminals are in charge of this country. Government is supposed to punish the evil-doers and reward the good. But this has not been the case here for a long time. Criminals have nothing to fear as far as the law goes
Do what you have to do..
The Lord is the defender of the righteous..
@Mr. Cool hell yes! 🤘
depends on where u live🤫
It’s just so sick and sad of our judicial system that we even have to worry about this. Someone breaks into my home to rob or hurt us, and we have to worry about our decision in a stressful time like this. So sad this is even an issue in our crooked courts
@@patgriffes9659 I know place in this world they be dinner, I remember one who broke in and ended up with a Lion on his chest when I was just a boy didn't go well
AGREED!
@@patgriffes9659 Then have the intruder knock on the front door with the bags of KFC take-out then maybe we'll invite them in.
I'm a firm believer in firing a warning shot. That is a round to the head of the first guy as a warning to second banana. If it doesn't work the first time then try it again with the 'new' first guy. Shampoo, rinse, repeat.
@@longshot7601 lol
It's amazing you have to worry about protecting yourself from the law it someone breaks into your house... What a world.
Exactly.
I was in fear of my life and I defended myself. I want to talk to my lawyer now please.
The mere fact that this has to be a topic of discussion shows how screwed up our legal system really is. "We" as free citizens aka (potential victims) should not have to defend ourselves in a home invasion scenario just to turn around and fight for our freedom in court. Repeat offenders are just that because of the lenient punishment they get. We need the right to defend our homes and family just like police do without any fear of repercussions.
Abso fukin lutely
YUP!
Most of these laws are to protect the innocent. Say for example you’re a 22 year old going into your abusive step fathers home to help your mom and little brother. then he shoots you and says you were trespassing, and now you are a criminal and thrown away in a hole and he keeps banging your mom and punching your brother.
BUT I do agree it’s stupid when it’s obvious they are a criminal which prosecutors make difficult to see. It’s also in the constitution that everyone deserves a fair trial and them finding any way to prove their innocence is in a way a fair trial you know? It’s hard when you live in the free world because even the evil get the rights you do.
Stop using the word free
I was taught in the military you don't give your position away until the threat is neutralized or leaves without incident. Never give your position away.
Agree
I always found comments like this to be silly given the home invasion scenario is both legally and tactically different from soldiers clearing rooms in the Middle East.
Even if I announce my presence, my position is so well defended that any frontal assault is impossible. So announcing I have a gun is simply one way to deter the threat and also make my legal case stronger.
@@gameragodzilla if the law permits you to shoot someone breaking into your home you don't need a stronger case. Most law is written extremely clear state to state, something like " . . . the use of deadly force is justified if burglary, tresspassing, xyz take place. " They will literally tell you what crime or forcible felony you can shoot someone over. The problem is everyone talks about castle doctrine but never reads their state laws. These videos complicate a simple topic. Read your statutes. If the law is on your side then it is on your side.
@@jamesmorell1758 Yes, but the prosecution will always twist the law as much as possible.
@@jamesmorell1758
And if the law is not on your side, MOVE.
Sad when criminals get more sympathy than the person defending themselves
@A Search Warrant For Google HQ typo
Democrats just want their constituents to be able to make a living.
How about the 16 year old girl shot today by her father because he was too stupid to identify his target, or himself.
@@walkingwolf8072 whats that got to do with defense of your home
@@walkingwolf8072 This is one reasons leftists probably shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
If you announce that you have a firearm you could be telling the intruder that you are a female and alone, that you're a child, that you're elderly and so on. The best thing is to keep every advantage you have and let them make all the mistakes, the first of which is picking your home. If you have cameras around your home use them to keep track of them and adjust your plan. Everyone needs to understand that as an average in the US, you will be facing three people not one so you will be needing every advantage you can get. Chose a good defensive position at the end of a hallway or top of a staircase and let them walk in front of your firearm. Ambushing the attacker is the best way of keeping them out of your home and winning the fight so use it. Just a little tip, always use a centerfire long gun for defending your home and use your handgun as a back-up. With a rifle or shotgun, you can fire one well-placed shot then move on to your next customer without needing to shoot at them over and over, but you can if you like. I hope you find this helpful.
I usually them them my son and I are unarmed and too buttoned up in our 3pc suits and bowties to put up a struggle. Usually just confront them with our hands up and wait for further instructions.
@@bowtieguy85 That's fine,I'll take care of them.
@@largelarry2126 could have used you a few years ago 😅
They crossed the red line, as soon as they entered my home. In this day and age, where everyone has a cell phone,there is absolutely no reason a criminal could claim "I just needed assistance." They made the wrong decision and I feel a great swell of pity for anyone coming into my home looking for trouble, I going to end that threat.
I would say many people in that moment of stress will forget how to operate their cell phones.
Personally…in my opinion, if a person breaks into a home that is obviously occupied, I’m going to make the assumption that he or she doesn’t care to hurt someone and is willing and prepared to do so if need be. Keeping that in mind, warning or no warning, you should be completely free to make sure that intruder is no longer a threat to you or your family. They broke into a house that they knew was occupied, or at least had a pretty good idea that it was. That’s enough for me. It’s almost like a slap in the face. “I know you’re home but I don’t care. I’m breaking in and taking what I want and if you get in the way, I’m prepared to hurt you to save myself.” That’s literally the only thought process an intruder could have in that situation.
Absolutely
If its obvious and they are coming for an occupied home then sure. But most robbers aren't trying to murder/get into conflict with someone. Its worse for them if they kill someone, now not all think about that. The one for me is I do not want to kill someone over my stuff. If I knew they were just gonna take some stuff and leave, id call the cops let them get there or track him down. But you can never know what they are thinking so I would probably have to defend myself. Just don't think that robbery = death.
My comment had nothing to do with robbery equals death. I’ve been the guy behind a broken window in the middle of the night. Thank god for my trigger discipline and been trained to identify my target because guess what, it was my own drugged out little brother.
The year before that, a person came into my house at night time through my back French doors. Kids were home and all. Again, thank good for my training and discipline because it ended up being an elderly lady who used to live in my home and she was very mentally ill and thought she was home. She was obviously having an episode.
So I know the drill. Been through it and death wasn’t the outcome. Though it could have been. The police department was quite happy with my decision making because even they said I could have legally used my weapon and they would be there to pick up a body.
My comment was for the situation exactly in my comment. 99 percent of the time, If someone breaks into an occupied dwelling knowingly then yeah, I truly believe they have already made the decision that they’re not at all afraid to hurt someone. Most people aren’t going to be as disciplined. But I wouldn’t blame someone for not wanting to take that 1 percent chance that it’s not what it looks like or sounds like. I will never blame anyone for protecting the place their family lays down at night.
@@jayteefishing1543 i get what you are saying. My comment was for the bone head who said he’d just let the intruders into his home so they can take his stuff. He is making an assumption that intruders only want material things, and then leave the dwelling without hurting anyone. When someone breaks into an occupied dwelling, in the middle of the night the only thing you can do is assume whet they are capable of or incapable of. I’m not going to bet my money on the assumption that they are friendly intruders, and will not hurt anyone.
@@jayteefishing1543 your particular situation was unique.
Dead man tell no tale... no need to LAWFULLY (not the same as Legal in USA) announce anything, just make sure the trespasser is the one dead.
NJ is recently trying to have safe storage laws where you’re required to have guns unloaded in a separate locked container away from the ammo, which also must be locked.
What’s to stop me from keeping a loaded magazine of my home defense gun in the safe with the gun. Unloading into the intruder. Calling the police, then unlocking the ammo safe and just saying I had them in separate containers?
@Jimmy Two Times "D'OH!" 🤣
@Jimmy Two Times that’s not how laws work. Look up castle doctrine
@BennogusTV I never said it was bro lol I was talking to Jimmy and we did not mention NJ once. Not sure where you got that
Yes, some liberal states like NJ won’t have it. I am familiar with NJ law, I lived there for many years
Colorado has what is called "Make My Day" law, you can shoot and kill any intruder to your home, but they MUST BE in the house!
Castle doctrine?
Be careful with that. A Coloradian went to jail after he killed to teens that broke into his home. His home had been burglarized multiple times and he was just don’t with it. I don’t agree with him joking to jail just letting you know circumstances matter. Also, don’t talk to police. Speak with your USCCA lawyer first.
@@rgjr.6055 not true. Please tell the whole story.
Go ahead punk. Make my day. Lol.
Even California law is pretty much the same. As long as they BROKE IN (or are in the process of breaking in) and they are not a member of the household, a resident/homeowner can use deadly force and that person is PRESUMED to have been in a reasonable fear for their safety and the safety or their household. The most important thing is to properly identify the intruder as an ACTUAL intruder. The other day I heard a news story on the radio where a father fatally shot his teenage daughter in the middle of the night because he THOUGHT she was an intruder. He broke the fundamental rule of "always be aware of your target," and he likely will (and should be) charged in her homicide.
I used to share a house with2 guys. I was an armed guard, one guy was the son of cop and the other guy was from Texas so we'd all been raised around guns. I got off work early one night, get home at 3am and something is wrong it the lock. I'm jiggling it, turning the handle back and forth and the door just isn't opening. Finally I get it to work, the door opens, I step into a dark house and at the top of the stairs I hear someone rack a shotgun round. The light goes on and there's my roommate at the top of the stairs, in his underwear, holding a Mossberg (not pointed at me, but at the ready). He sees it's me, shakes his head and plods back to bed. It was a safe comfortable place to live. Great roommates
Yep, I would tell the Office " I warned him several times yet he continued on towards me in an aggressive manner so I shot until the threat was no longer a threat and neutralized. Feel free to ask the intruder yourself Officer." Officer: " The intruder is dead sir." Me: "You don't say hmmm"
The best thing to tell the officer is NOTHING! Even if they arrest you, get a lawyer and keep your mouth shut.
"Do You Tell A Home Invader You’re Armed?" For me it depends if its day or night. Rule of thumb; if they come in the day they're after your stuff. If they come at night they're coming after you. Day time, I'm yelling at them to leave. At night, I think it would be easy to assume from the deafening reports, muzzle flashes, and impacts of high velocity lead that the home owner is armed. Does anyone think the intruder is going to be honest and tell the cops he was warned?
The intruder should not be afforded the opportunity to tell the LEOs or an attorney anything.
@@hlrembe62 But then I'd be implying I'd shoot to kill and not to stop the threat.
If you stop that threat the intruder won't be able to lie to the cops.
@@blackhawkinternationalsecu6962 if I discharge my firearm rest assured it's for a kill shot.
Let's say for the sake of this discussion that you are absolutely right. At night, they are coming for you or someone you love. You hear something and have time to get to a gun. You shout, "We are armed!" (Maybe it's just you, or only you are armed, but mess with their minds some.) You've just let them know they need to leave and come at you another time or place. Next time you may not see or hear them first. It may not be as cut and dried as a self-defense shooting inside your home. As an aside, if you have beef with someone(s) willing to do a home invasion to get to YOU, you have bigger problems than one encounter, even if you prevail this time. It'd be time to move far away.
I can’t believe we’re even having this discussion about someone who has illegally entered your HOME
I agree. But: liberal america
@@kingpurest6279 It's a cancer that must be eliminated.
I'm just as shocked we are considering the innocence of an intruder.
@@kingpurest6279 What a dumb comment. Considering this is the case in republican ran states as well as we just had a republican white house and nothing changed. Grow up and stop blaming liberals for all your problems. Use that tiny brain of yours.
No. Don't give away your advantage, and location.
Thank you. 100%
A home invader is going to search your entire home for what they can steal, so they are going to eventually find you. Most burglars do not want to get shot, just like most people. Shooting someone laying in wait will not look good in court. But if in immediate danger don't waste time with a warning, surviving comes first. But locked in a room, yea give the criminal a chance to leave. Tactikewl idiots will always advise shoot first, that is why they are idiots.
@@walkingwolf8072 How do you know the criminal is only a burglar? If someone tries to burglarize property in a 2A state then I assume they don't care as much if they shot.
CORRECT !
@@bullyboy131 Criminals always have a motive, it may vary but few of them want to get shot. There are actual studies of prison inmates that they will avoid getting shot, or armed citizens. Most times the motive for breaking into a home is getting stuff/money, sometimes it is more evil but that is rare. Even though crime has risen in large cities, for the most part the country is very safe, not every person is out to get you as the tactikewl idiots would like you to believe. After all they are not the ones who are going to go through hell after a shooting. Sometimes shooting is the only choice, but for the law abiding citizen it is best to avoid it, if possible.
I'm a combat vet and have the training to defend my house and my family. Your average citizen does not have the skill necessary to do this. You must get training. You have to be able to do several things all at once. There are allot of factors that play into this. If you are alone stay where you are, arm your self, and take up a defensive position, and call 911. If it's you and another but are in the same room, again stay where you are. If there are kids then you must move to secure there rooms and if possible move them to your room, call 911. There is so much more to know but i'd be on here for hrs teaching. Knowledge is power. Get the training because when shtf you don't get a do over.
All these “laws” are pathetic at best. They’re in YOUR HOUSE up to know good! They should get NO favoritism by the crumbling court system.
They are not in the house to sell tuperware. Only for mayhem and possibly murder. We cannot know if the intruder is spreading a flammable ready to burn the house and occupants down.
A truly disgusting state of affair (situation) that you must ALSO carry around a lawyer in your back pocket as well as your home-defence weapon.
Someone breaks into your home so now you need to be packing heat as well as packing shark.
Who makes good holsters for those? I'm not big on pocket carry.
I'd like Kevin and Tom to discuss a less "neat" home layout, one where there are children on different levels of the home. I know of several families that have kids in basement bedrooms. This is not necessarily an atypical situation so let's address it.
I agree 100% I have kids on 2 different sides of the house from where I sleep
ABSOLUTELY!
Super common in Utah!
Our daughter sleeps about two feet to the side of our line of fire for anyone coming through our front door. She's in a position where we have a very limited field of safe fire. We regularly practice for fire escape and intruder response. We had a fire three years ago... and everything worked perfectly! Family was out in 10 seconds WITH the pets and "abandon ship bags" (a throwback to my sailing/cruising life), and my wife was on her way back in 30 seconds to see that I had actually managed to contain, and then stop the fire.
All this to say PRACTICE. TRAINING. Your brain is a "muscle", and just as training builds muscle memory for weapons handling, so training builds the same instinctive responses in your head.
If you have a "dirty" shooting environment in your home, it's imperative that you TRAIN YOURSELF AND YOUR FAMILY. That child is dead center of your most likely line of fire? Get them a bunk bed, move them to the other side of the room, put kevlar in the wall... DO SOMETHING about it. Train them to respond quickly and correctly to your shouted orders. Our daughter is just off our line of fire... so if I scream "(HER NAME), COVER!!!!!!" she knows to grab her gun and roll sideways against the wall, giving us an extra 2 feet of safe fire zone. If someone opens her door without the "clear code"... she puts 11 rounds right up their nose, and HER fire zone is totally clear.
This isn't the safe place we in our 30s and 40s grew up in. There's so much rage, anger, and poverty right now that people are going out of their minds, and our lawmakers are not keeping their oaths in mind.
"Hard times breed hard people.
Hard people breed good times.
Good times breed soft people.
Soft people breed hard times."
We're in the last bit... soft people. Hard times are danger close.
Right. I'm amazed that the conversation never becomes more nuanced than "sweep the house because you think you are Rambo or hide in the closet because property isn't worth a life, yours or the criminals" when in actuality most homeowners who would engage in such behavior are likely to do so because they don't live alone and there is more at stake in a home invasion for them than just their own lives and property that compel them to take such risks.
Break into my House your leaving in a bag. I'd rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6. Peace. PS NO WARNING ⚠️
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#facts
When your prosecutor reads this post to your jury, judged by 12 is exactly what you'll get.
@@rangersmith4652 he won't be dead though
Ranger Smith is absolutely right, you need to watch this one next ruclips.net/video/dJV3uhXkWtg/видео.html
I will definitely notify them.
Can't miss the sounds of gun fire within a home.
Membership not available for Washington State ? What the ? I'm actually not surprised.
Thanks for the useful video though. I try to catch as many as I can
Do you really think announcing will work? I highly doubt that the “bad guy” or the “intruder” and their accomplices are going to say in court, “yes your honor, he did tell me he was armed and I chose not to leave”. Criminals lie!!! Even if you announce you are armed, they intruder is going to lie and say you didn’t. That’s why I have cameras all through my house that record audio as well as video. My CCW instructor who happens to be LEO said something that will always stay with me. “A dead man tells no lies”
Your instructor is wrong. Forensics doctors and CSI read dead people all day long.
@@mrjeffjob he was saying that in the form as, if you fear for your life, and someone is trying to break down your bedroom door, and you don’t “announce yourself” and you just wound them and it goes to court, you could lose, because some states laws say that if they don’t have a weapon and pose a threat, you can’t shoot. That’s why he said, “A dead man tells no lies”. He wasn’t saying it telling us to just shoot whoever, he was basically saying if you don’t know what to do, and you fear for your life, make it count.
So... you put in cameras with audio so there will be evidence that you didn't warn the intruders after you shoot one???
@@dr.jonpierson5655 I would give a warning. The audio is in case the “intruder” tried to say that I didn’t.
I guess my first question would be... How can that, whether you announced or not, be proved in a court of law? Could you not just say you did and the perp just say you didn't?
Good point but the perp probably has a history and won't take the stand:)
Perp shouldn’t be able to take the stand. 😉
Do you have an Alexa, she is always listening.
Hell no on the Alexa
Thats why if you shoot someone you should shoot to kill, because dead men tell no tales. Well this is theain reason why one should shoot to kill, the second is because he can still move if he is not dead and is therefore still dangerous.
TWO rounds center mass!! Enough said!!
USCCA - I’m not advocating for clearing the house, but do have a question. If you did clear the house and found the bad guy hiding by the water heater, as was mentioned by your guest in this video, he commented that you then have some problems … what problems?
In either case, whether you found the bad guy by the water heater or whether you were defending the hallway leading to your location (and the bad guy advanced down the hallway), in both cases you are confronting someone who intends to do you harm, so how is one scenario more problematic legally than the other?
The perp has already entered strangers house uninvited. I doubt they're concerned about civil manners and pleasantries.
Thank you for always presenting such critically important information from both a defense attorney and police officer's point of view.
The legal implications always concern me. I really enjoy all of your advice/scenario/etc. videos.
Thank you for sharing. I'm glad that you are getting value from this content, Stephanie.
Be more concerned for you life. If you have a good attorney and you are a good citizen, you will be fine so long as you aim to stop the threat, not kill them. Good luck.
@@hollyfoxThe As Colonel Cooper said, if you point your firearm at someone to stop the threat, you can't worry whether they live or die. Your goal is stopping the threat.
A backhoe is a great complimentary tool to own along with a firearm.
A couple pet hogs and a shovel aren't bad either
Yes, you tell him. Center mass. As many times as it takes.
Maybe. 😊. It depends.
I'm in a castle doctrine state. I can stand my ground. Location is an important factor of risk assessment. Not only your jurisdiction and local laws, but where are you and your family are in relation to the threat (s) can be important factors.
Are there multiple attackers? Are the perceived threat(s) inside your home, at the front door, outside a window, in your backyard or somewhere else.
Where are you?
Should you move toward the threat or away to a safe room and call 911?
Here are a few scenarios:
1) Four men enter backdoor at 2AM. The first one goes directly to kitchen, grabs a butcher knife and meets other three in living room. Lights are off. Rooms are dark. Camera with night vision in living room shows little women rush into living room after she heard something shooting at home invaders. The invaders hear rapid shots fired in the dark, run out the way they came in.
Shots fired is a universal language that most criminals understand and will quickly respond to.
Scenario 2:
Women with her small child home alone hides in the corner of an attic with revolver. Black man starts to enter the attic. Woman shoots six rounds at invader to protect her child and herself in fear of her life at this point. Invaders says ""Stop shooting at me."
3) Woman home with baby on couch warns man beating on door to go away. Man knocks door open. Woman shoots home invader after he entered front door in chest with a shot gun. Man falls down, dies. Police come and rule it self defense.
4) Young man calls a former girlfriend after they broke up two years prior that he wants to talk to her on her voicemail. She doesn't return his call. She is home with her parents and little brother. The young man knocks on front door. The young former girlfriend tells her parents in the living room that he called her, she didn't return his call and that she doesn't want to talk to him. He continues to bang on the door. The father shouts out from his family in the living room to the young man at the door, "I got a gun." The young man continued to bang on the front door. The father shoots the young man through the front door. The young man walked away from the front door, fell down in the front driveway. The family remained in the living room. The neighborhood heard shots fired in the daytime and found the young man down on the ground not moving. The neighbors entered the front yard and shouted out to their neighbors inside, 'Did you shoot him? He's dying. He's dead!
What should you do?
More videos about this please, court precidents, and along with fire drills, what drills should we be running?
Just as you are taught to say you felt your life was in danger, I will always tell first responders that I told the intruder to stop, I have a gun. Regardless if that’s what I said or not.
Best option is to remain silent and seek legal counsel. You don't need any word games coming up moving forward.
"This is self defense. No further comment until I speak with legal counsel. I want my lawyer."
@@boondogglet132 💯. "Thank you for responding so quickly officers. I will fully answer all your questions after I've had time to speak with my lawyer. " Then shut up and deal with it.
@@boondogglet132 Better yet, "He broke into my home and tried to harm me, I used my gun to defend myself. I feel really sick, please take me to the hospital."
@@anonymouslee2083 why do you feel sick? Why do you want to go to the hospital?. For the courts, since you are now in custody we will require a full blood draw and analysis. Oh you had one beer and your bac is .005.... you were intoxicated and not in the right frame of mind to make proper decisions.....
Are you addicted to alcohol? Do you have a drinking problem. If you couldnt go one night without drinking you must have a problem.
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See how quickly this can spiral out of control?
@@boondogglet132 .02 is the legal limit, any competent lawyer would have your weird obscure what if scenario tossed out in a heartbeat.
I would give a home invader 3 choices: Turn around and leave, surrender and wait for the police or make one move towards me and take the room temp. challenge. I don't want to kill someone in my house unless it was absolutely necessary.
You are correct. So many 2A folks are all ready to shoot it up to protect. They do not know how this will change your life, even if deemed a clean shoot.
Do I hear a little "cover your ASP"? They get nothing from me except pew pew, and more pew pew as necessary. Personally I'm not going to give up my position to a bad guy in order to give him the opportunity to flee or advance. If you broken into my house I fear for my life and you are there to do harm period.
@@jamesbarrick3403 killing an intruder may very well change my life, but I will choose that every time over anything negatively impacting my wife or kids in any way. If there is ANY concern for my family, I’m aiming to end the threat.
@@patgriffes9659 just be sure of your target and whats beyond it.
@@patgriffes9659 don't you have that backward Pat?
Anything you say can and will be used against you...shh.
I have to wonder about the gun give away. Seems you have to join USCCA to enter, but I've been a member for years; I'm not eligible?
What do you do If someone breaks into your home and your security dogs charge and attack do you stay at the top of the stairs or do you engage and provide the dogs with back up?.. i'd be clearing the house with my dogs and possibly with my wife who has same training as me and we'll be working as unit
The one time I had an actual intruder (vs outside damage/vandalism/theft), they got two warnings. The first was my wife and I chambering the .45 1911s we carry and use. The second was her telling them they were in a two-way crossfire, LEAVE. NOW. I wasn't going to say anything at all.
Look, I get what you're telling me here. We have to be more concerned about our legal safety than our physical. It's BS. We know it. You know it. Prosecutors know it. Crooks know it.
But from my perspective... man I REALLY don't want to shoot someone, whether they live or die is immaterial to this discussion. I DON'T want to shoot them. I DON'T want to hurt anyone. I LOVE shooting my weapons... proficiency training is FUN... and while in the back of my mind is the full knowledge of why I do that training, I want it to stay fun. If I have to hurt or kill someone, it stops being fun and that theoretical "thing" in the back of my head becomes reality. A reality no sane person wants.
The one time I faced a person with a loaded weapon near to their hands, and they refused to comply with my demands to keep their hands up, all that training came into play. The muscle memory was there, it worked, and in the end noone died. Hell, no one even got hurt. Their behavior changed before the trigger broke, and we all survived the night.
As for the intruders... my wife and I still laugh about the ending. Those two idiots just about killed their own selves getting themselves somewhere else! By the time they got back outside we couldn't have shot them no matter what... we were laughing too damned hard at their antics!!! We were house sitting... and they had no idea there was even anyone there!!!
My vote.... is not a hard answer. As always, these things are case-specific. These guys were loud, obnoxious, and clueless. We warned them, they left.
The noisy ones aren't the dangerous ones. If they'd been quiet, stealthy, and skilled... we likely would not have had time to warn them. In that case it's clear you just point and shoot, center of mass, and keep shooting until they stop moving. As one cop told me... "Don't stop shooting till you're up to your ass in brass."
Be smart, be cool, make good choices. Only you will know what those choices are.
Please for the love of god keep your Gun Chambered. Your wife and you both were at very serious disadvantage if he would have been armed and already chambered one of you would have been shot at least while the other under duress now has to get that round chambered get the gun on target and fire. CHAMBER YOUR FIREARMS.
@@ArmaGuyz I will never understand why people carry their self defense firearm unchambered. If they really feel it’s so unsafe they should practice and train with that firearm until they can change that mindset, it’s that simple. The only time my firearm doesn’t have a round in the chamber is when I’m cleaning it or doing dry fire practice.
I think most burglars flee when they know the homeowner is there. That way, if it's just a petty thief who poses no real threat to you, they'll get scared off. If the intruder doesn't leave, and approaches your location, you pretty much have a green light to shoot to kill, because they're signaling that the intent was to kill you all along.
Problem with letting them go is that now they have a vengeance. You have denied them access to "their" rightful property that YOU worked for (that's how malignant narcissists think.)
Scare 'em off and now they'll be back with more muscle (and possibly weapons.)
So what is the answer shoot the invader or not?
The main thing is to avoid having to utilize your weapon. First things first. Let them know they’re in the wrong house. If they don’t retreat out they made a decision and assume responsibility.
That the perfect phrase. Anyone who doesn’t know what “youre in the wrong house” means is obviously suicidal lol
In duty to retreat states, you literally tip toe through the tulips out the door! 😂Connecticut, Delaware, Hawaii, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Nebraska, New Jersey, New York, Rhode Island, and Wisconsin.
Knowing your target is something that everyone should practice. Case in point. I was in my bed at midnight. Wife asked me to get her something to eat. I grabbed my gun as I always do and went down stairs in order to get her food. I had a cousin downstairs without any lights on while rummaging through the kitchen. My Glock was aimed at her (I still didn’t know it was her, she was suppose to be sleeping) I called her to see if it was her, she didn’t answer. Then I turned the lights on and recognized her. What I’m trying to get at is the identification of your target is key before you pull the trigger. I also bought a weapon mounted light after that. With that in mind. I’m not telling anyone who broke into my house that I’m armed. They broke in and know that if someone is there they may meet resistance. The sign posted is warning enough to someone who breaks into my home.
I'm not a lawyer and my only legal training regarding this is the concealed carry class I had to take. It's me and my wife...anyone else in the house gets shot. I have zero obligation to announce, call the police first, barricade, etc. Personally I think anyone who goes around to "clear" their house is an idiot. Unless you have other people to protect somewhere else in the house, get armed and call the police. But our layout is such that if I see a figure, it's taking fire. Let's hope it never happens but more and more I'm afraid it will.
Problem with that is your wife could let someone in who attacks you. Almost anyone can get into a house with a woman in it, they just gush over the house how it's decorated, and she lets him right on in, then he rapes her.
Unless you wife is the unusual sort that's immune to people kissing her ass over "her" house, having her carry a gun isn't a great plan because an intruder might just take it from her and use it on her (and you.)
If you ever have to draw your gun in the house and your wife screams at you to "stop!" as women so often do (siding with the belligerent, as is instinctive for many of them) then don't allow her to carry a gun in your house.
@@devilsoffspring5519 My wife got her carry permit but never carried the gun she meticulously picked out. Her health is such that the gun sits in the safe. She’s home alone but there’s not much I can do. If trouble starts coming our way she’s gonna have to dust off that gun. We have camera, dogs. Let’s hope it never comes to that.
@@asmith7876 Cameras can be a double-edged knife, they might provide evidence that the guy broke in--but, they'll also provide evidence that you shot him--which gets worse if you do what you rightfully should do, which is finish him off so he can't sue you or attack you again. I'm not sure how that will work out in court, and it probably varies greatly depending on where you live.
@@devilsoffspring5519 Someone breaks in where I live and gets shot, no legal issues here.
Agreed. BUT a great point was brought up about "your son came home unexpectedly and drunk from college"... It has happened. Dad shoots a kid or kids friend
I do not know what state you are evaluating, but in Florida, if someone BREAKS into or otherwise FORCES his or her way into your home if you are inside, that is a forcible felony. Deadly force is permitted by statute. One does not have to kill him or her, but one reasonably can. It is a very appropriate standard.
Sadly there are states where you have a duty to retreat and can only employ deadly force if you literally are trapped and CAN'T retreat.
I have my wife, daughter, and granddaughter that live here. I'll defend them as needed as they could be anywhere in the house as well for an intruder to take hostage etc. Agreed, know your target however.
You need to be making your home very hard for anyone to get in including all doors and windows. Defend your home from the inside out and never allow them to get inside without you knowing. Have an adult man try to get into your home as a test then fix whatever week point, they find. Do this over and over until that can't get in without breaking a window or making a bunch of noise.
@@largelarry2126 Yes! Absolutely, all the houses (including this one here!) are built like crap and effortless to get into if you really want to. Almost every place is like that, a big rock or a baseball bat and you can get in.
That's not a bad idea, after you've secured your place find a huge guy and pay him to break in any way he wants. Found the point of entry, beef it up and do it again.
Thank you both
My scenario goes like this. Someone breaks in my house, they hear BAM, BAM, BAM and then as they are laying on the ground I yell I'm armed.
Both times my home was invaded/broke into by unwanted individuals, I announced. One of the times was into my garage. I went outside and around the opposite side of the garage. Seeing a shadow of a person, I turned my flashlight on him and told him to leave and that I was armed and would protect my property and person. He took off running. I went inside called law enforcement and gave a description. The 2nd time, my bedroom window was busted in while I was in the room sleeping. I immediately woke. Grabbed my flashlight and opened my bedside safe and grabbed a handgun from it. While doing that I also yelled out announcing I have a firearm and will protect myself. In this incident law enforcement (K9 unit) was at my home in under 3 minutes. I live in a very safe city in SC. I was still clearing my home. Law enforcement stated they would send the K9 to sniff around outside. I was still clearing my home and he knocked and told me they did not find anyone. I probably scared them off. Law enforcement did not want to or rather did not come inside for whatever reason, but I did tell dispatch I had firearms and was clearing the inside of my home. Luckily I never had to fire a shot. It's not good when one does, based on other experiences.
If you've had 2 instances that someone broke in or tried to I dont believe it's a very safe place just my opinion.
@@Sdukes001 right?
@@Sdukes001 these incidents happened 12 years apart. There is a different city about 10 miles from my home that is not very safe and people from that city tend to come to the city I live to commit crimes. There is also a town about 5 miles from my home that has high crime where the same thing occurs. Typically the crimes happening in my city are vehicle break ins at night. Typical crimes in these other 2 places I mention are armed robbery, assaults, etc. So yeah according to law enforcement data the city I live in is quite safe. I live in an affluent neighborhood that is NOT gated and criminals tend to see it as easier prey. My house typically has lights on within the kitchen and den. They are on timers and turn on and then off at different times during the night. The night my window was busted, all of my lights were off and my timers didn't come on. The night someone was breaking into my garage, I have no idea about. He left with nothing though. He had opened a side door that my wife or daughters left unlocked. So by law, he did not break in, but entered without breaking. The typical criminals doing these small robberies are caught within 6 months usually. The issue becomes the courts letting them out like it's a revolving door. They tend to become repeat offenders and often with escalating criminal behavior. Generally those tend to happen closer to home for them.
@@joelwerre read my response to him.
I live right in the middle of gang central and lived here for over 15 years and never had no one try to break in my house. You had 2 diffrent times people tried to break in your house how can you call a safe area?
What happens if you don't have a second floor. You have a house just with first floor only. And you in your bedroom and your armed. And your kids bedrooms are on the other side. What do you do then.
Judicious marksmanship
As a "property procurator" I assume that all my "clients" have defense measures in place. It is a professional risk that I accept as my vocation is rather risky.
My CCW instructor stated his personal position involved a "Last Stand room". Some people would call it a safe room, but I think last stand is more accurate. He stated there are 3 items always present in the room.
1. A handgun safe with a loaded gum. This covers the rare instance he isn't already armed.
2. A cell phone programmed to rapid dial 911 when ANY key is held.
3. A piece of paper showing the address, so he doesn't have to remember where to tell 911 he is located.
He also stated the wall opposite the only entrance is reinforced to stop bullets so he isn't concerned with "over penetration" if he shoots. He stated that in a scenario where he utilizes the last stand room, he would call 911, activate the speaker phone, and state his address and that there was an intruder in the home. He would then set down the phone, with the 911 call active on speakerphone. His next action would be to loudly announce that he was armed and any attempt to enter the room would be considered an attempt on his life and met with deadly force. This clearly sets the standard of reasonable belief of an eminent threat if the intruder breaches the room.
Forget the Castle Doctrine. If you live far enough in the sticks, there is always the Shoot, Shovel, and Shut Up Doctrine, the last part of which is the most important.
I have to disagree with the lawyer here on some of his comments. First, when you tell the invader that you're armed and already call 911, you do it with the expectation that the intruder will leave the house. If he doesn't and try to attack you, then you have the right to defend yourself. That's when you put your training and knowledge to work. Second, I do not believe the intruder will stick around once he knows the police is on its way. I do know one thing; I will not hire this lawyer. He went around and around with the subject but never really answer the question. Also, he came out with scenarios that really doesn't make sense; like the son coming back from college. Come on, you know the difference between someone that have a key for the house and someone who is breaking into your house.
@Silverback Gamer Maybe he did, but his daughter looked and sounded like a big burly dude.
Sick jokes aside, that's a horrible thing to happen and it's why you have to be careful if you don't live alone. Even if you do, make sure you aren't about to shoot the firefighters! They're the ONLY people who have any business breaking into your home.
Now why in the hell would I announce "I'm armed" to an intruder whom I have no idea if they're armed or not? Stupid. If someone is in your house, you must assume they are there to kill you and your family and act accordingly. You know your homes layout. You take a defensive position and wait. If the intruder stumbles into your line of site, you shoot now, ask questions later. Do you you 'hunt' down the intruder? Too many variables involved. Most cases, probably not unless the intruder is between you and a childs bedroom in which case you must go on the hunt. General rule of thumb for an intruder in your home is to shoot now, ask questions later.
A whole lot of people are going to agree with you on that--but NOT the law.
That's why killing him anyway is still a good plan--he can't testify against you.
A stranger entering my house without permission or any signal of intent has made the choice to end their life. It may not happen but in a worst case scenario. He is going out feet first.
Situations all differ from one another., lighting is always important to deter break-ins.
These scenerios are based on fantasy situations. In real life, you have burglaries and you have home invasions.
Burglary is stealth. They think you're not home. They go through the back in the dark. They run if they hear something. They are usually alone.
Home invasion know you're home and try to enter as quickly as possible to catch you off guard and circumvent you getting your weapon.
During a home invasion, you'll be cooking dinner or in the shower or on the toilet. You'll be anywhere other than right by your weapon because they kicked the door in and moved so fast that you couldn't get to it. My point is that announcement depends on the situation.
If you hear creeping noise, announcement will alert the burglar that someone is home and they may flee.
But if you are unlucky enough to have to go through a home invasion then you should hide, hope you can get to your weapon, unlock it, chamber it only to find that your family are hostages now, so you'd give your gun up and get brutalized.
These videos…well, the titles and the ideas of these videos are great and could be so much more informative and helpful than they are. I sometimes think you guys could go down the rabbit hole a little more in a lot of your videos. Love the channel and this is not at all any hate or negativity. Just some friendly input. Maybe make the videos a little longer just to add in some deeper understanding and info.
There are so many variables, they would need to make a video on each one.
Kenneth, that would be better than what we got. But I’m not talking about just this video. There are many more. The one that sticks out to me the most is the video about the guy in the grocery store that pulled a knife on the cashier and the guy behind him pulled out his firearm and stopped the crime from taking place. The title of the video was something like “can you legally draw your weapon in this situation” or something along those lines. Go watch that video.
Let them find out
Don’t tell them, let them find out the hard way
I 100% agree with your statement of yelling out: “I know you are here, I have called the police. I am armed. If you don’t leave, you will be shot”.
It helps eliminate that accidental family member sneaking in, and gives the person an opportunity to leave.
You know what else does that? Properly Identifying your targets before you pull the trigger. Parenting so that they know that you will defend the home with your gun and that if they are sneaking in in the middle of the night they might be met with a muzzle in their face and should probably shout its ME DAD!! and deal with being in trouble instead of accidentally being shot. That seems pretty damn simple to me. Most kids if they are going to sneak in know if they might be shot. They also usually use their OWN window. which wouldnt be expected to come open unless the parent knew they were gone in which case the lights would be on and the parent waiting for them to get home. Other wise they would believe that their kid was home and awake at that time of night. So many people talk about scenarios that ARE VERY EASILY AVOIDED. If your family members have any sense and care and they will say its me dad Im just getting a snack... Its me Im just getting a drink sorry to wake you. If people think they need to just shoot without looking than when they go to prison for manslaughter they did it to themselves. PROPER IDENTIFICATION OF YOUR TARGET. Proper parenting, Properly explaining to your family or friends who live there to IDENTIFY THEMSELVES WHEN ASKED TO DO SO are very easy things to do. No need to shout out IM IN HERE IVE GOT A GUN!! COME FIND ME AND MAKE ME SHOOT YOU... Thats stupid. Especially if you have family.
There is only one way in my home and that requires a key. If I hear glass break. I know it's not family. Besides my family will text me advising of arrival if coming late. Because they know what we have
If you say you know he's there and you're armed, the intruder now knows approximately where you are. What happens if he's armed as well, and he starts shooting in your general direction? Perhaps it's best to stay quiet and stay in your safe / last stand place. The fact is though, imho, is that until you're in that position, you don't know what you'll do.
My wife is to bunker, locking me out of the "safe space", armed and on the phone with 911. Since I have cleared abodes before that I didn't know and I know my home enough to walk it in the dark, I'm going clearing after I tell them to "LEAVE!". Just once. Flipping on lights as I go. They've always ran, never had to engage, best gunfights. Don't know how long it's gonna take deputies to show up, It's my home, I'll clear it. Deputies will make their presence known, I'll holster and invite them in. Pants, pistol, boots everyday.
Enjoy your videos and comments. Makes you think about critical situations which are rare, but possible.
Agreed, draw your line in the sand and defend the safe space weather it's the top floor or one room, don't go looking for someone, it's alot harder than it looks in the movies especially if you're doing it alone.
The upstairs of my house is heavily defendable, I agree staying in one place is the best option. Don't try to be John Wick.
The line in the sand was already crossed when a intruder breaks in your house. You CAN be a john wick. You have home field advantage...you know the layout of your home. Intruders don't.
@@robertsims9201 that may be true but I don't have any of that type of training. So its my best option to defend one position.
@@Razor-gx2dq A good defense is a good offense. I hear you loud and clear.
@@robertsims9201 a while back a cop was murdered clearing his own home. Yep, he knew the layout of his house.
They will know when shots are fired …
the universal language
Out of all the situations described by these 2, yours will probably not be one of them. DEFEND YOURSELF.
What about others that don't live in the typical home? Single story home, property in not the best or safest areas?
You said that by announing you are "laying the red line", wouldn't a locked door be enough of a "red line" to say the perp has already crossed it by B&E?
If he doesn't survive, than it would be your word vs a dead person's.
"He charged at me in the dark. I was worried for my life." Nuff said. 😁
No it isn't, you'd just be charged with murder as well as careless discharge of a firearm.
@@devilsoffspring5519 since youre the devils offspring its obvious youre lying 😂
A woman announcing herself in the house (with a gun) might create additional problems for herself. (Same for someone who 'sounds' old or very young.) Up until that point the robbers might be thinking any occupants are male. If you ARE going to announce yourself, make it plural. As in "WE are in the house and WE are armed." Make the robbers think there are more than one of you.
I don't see any real value in that, though once you've made your presence known it can't hurt. Know this: the invader[s] isn't there to chat about your family, it is entirely reasonable to assume they are going to do harm. Act accordingly.
what is "castle doctrine"? similar to "stand your ground" in Florida?
I hear the stance of holding a position, but I think it changes when you have kids on different levels.
You can’t just hold. You have to clear the house.
I've been a Soldier for 19 years. I am clearing my house and terminating the threat. I'll say that in court.
It doesn't matter if you're a soldier, that doesn't count for anything in court at all. They'll lock you up like anyone else. A cop, maybe (almost certainly.) A judge, absolutely. But not a soldier.
Zoomie here. I heard glass shatter one night and cleared each room. Turns out it was the glass computer desk breaking. 😂
@@larrypowers2515 I'll be careful not to shoot my computer.
@@emtfirebb I was actually more disappointed that it was just a desk and had to holster it! 🤣
Option 3: shoot them, go to court, and say that you announced you’re armed. They won’t have the words the claim otherwise.
Nope, that's my little secret they will pay to find out.
When someone kicks in your door always scream out "Get the shotgun!"
We're seniors; I was a licensed FFL; NY state firearms sales license; NYS Gunsmith licensed and CCW holder. I have a tactical advantage holding the entire second floor with only One Way Up. I control that egress with multiple firearms at my disposal. Weapon of choice for this old cogger is my Mossberg Cruiser loaded with # 4 Buckshot and slugs, every other one. With several backup weapons readily available. There WILL be only story to be told to law enforcement....MINE.
Would love to see discussions about home break-ins when you are armed and also have one or more guard dogs in your home.
If the burglar is armed you'll have two dead dogs
@@backwoodscharlie8483 only if he can see them first in the dark. I would bet on dogs that are trained only to attack not growl or bark. Also what do think his odds would be versus 4 or 5 dogs?
Guard dogs are there to wake up the security guard.
@@chrisclark5204 a dog that doesn't warn? You want wolverines or honey badgers. Though keep in mind they can be a menace to the keeper in equal measure!
If waking up the security guard is all they do then they weren't trained right.
What a shame when a criminal “invading” has more rights then a law abiding citizen defending their own property.
😶🤨criminals have rights too?🤥🤯
This is what happens when Democrats are elected into office. They are the friend to the enemy.
More than a shame - total BS!
So I can't enter if I'm already a member? That sucks.
My plan has always been to shout and tell them to leave the way they came. They likely cannot enter near my bedroom and there's a Galway leading to it. If they come to my voice, they are likely not up to any good and I will defend myself. I'm curious what your thoughts on telling someone to leave is
Thank you for this video !
I’m 65 and I know the world has changed since I was a kid on the farm in Indiana. But I remember the sheriff was out to the house for some reason one night. But I do remember him tell my dad dead men don’t testify.
That decison should have already been made long before the intruder gets inside your house!
My opinion:
1. Hear intruder
2. Quietly Get defensive tools
3. Quietly Guard best single entry point between Loved ones and intruder(s).
4. Quietly call Police.
5. Quietly Wait for the police, see what happens.
Do's:
1. Defend loved ones, not property. Property can be replaced and is not as easily protected by law.
2. Call Police, its their job to enforce the law and arrest the invader. Your job is to defend your life.
3. Silently Turn on any lights near invader from you defensive position.
4. If you have see the intruder(s) from your defensive position, verify not friendly, shoot to kill.
Don'ts:
1. Give away your position. No announcement of position, no speaking, no chambering of round in defensive tool because it is already chambered.
2. Leave defensive position to seek out invader(s).
2a. Are you protecting your property? You took a life to save property? Does not stand in court as well.
2b. Are you trying to give up a tactical advantage. Is your property downstairs worth risking your life over? (death or prison)
Even if you did say it, it's your word against theirs (if they survived, if they didn't it's only your word) so what good is it in court?
Could not announcing be construed in some locales as 'laying in wait'? If you live in an anti-2A state and end up getting charged, does it look better for your defense if you prove you announced?
if you announce they could then take precautions when they try to find you or just start shooting if they are armed. what's wrong with shooting them if necessary then saying you announced.
The first two to the chest are the warning shots. The second two to the head are the confirmation.
I faced a different situation where 3 of the 4 ex-cons were trying to invade my home. I was on the phone with a deputy a minute before 3 of them ran up my driveway and 1 was about to appear in the back of my home. My mother was 78 or 79 with cardiovascular disease and would later get an aneurysm removed by open heart surgery after this incident. That last detail was one of the reasons I was at the foot of the stairs prepared to deter anyone who might have come in. And that’s exactly what happens without having to shoot. Being in the same room with my mom and shooting a shotgun would have been devastating to her, not just the ex-cons if they had come in. In the end one of the deputies told my mother I did everything right. Do you agree?
Its so important that we never cookie cutter home invasion situations and always have some sort of plan based on the layout of your home.
I feel you made the best choices. Its a great advantage to have a second story that you can defend and since you were able to get at the foot of the stairs in time and have that moment to deter any intruders before they had a chance to get to your mothers room was the best case scenario. Did the intruders flee after noticing your presence or did you have to shoot?
If someone is in the process of trying to get in when your house is all dark in the middle of the night or during the day and you have a empty driveway. You should ABSOLUTELY announce your presence because there’s a much higher chance that it’s a burglar (not a home invader) that thinks no one’s home and will take off when they realize someone is home. Burglary and Home Invasion are NOT the same thing. One is a violent crime the other is not. Burglary is much more common. Don’t make your home appear as if no one is home is a good rule to go by to begin with.
Have a plan. Know why you have chosen said plan. Execute said plan to the best of your abilities. You need a reason for the things that you do. Train, plan, arm ,execute
If you have a situation like I have where my elderly mother is in another portion of the house apart from the regular bedroom section the rest of us are in the idea to just guard the hallway doesn't necessarily work. Depending on where the bad guy(s) is/are I may need to defend her in a different part of the house. This complicates my situation greatly.
Yeh so, it is extremely easy these days to set up surveillance cams throughout your home, each space.
They can even be set to turn on only when you're heading to bed and be motion activated.
You can do the same for the lights in each room.
I will say this, anyone breaking into my home, while I'm there, will live to regret it as long as I desire... but they won't be leaving alive.
The moment you violate my rights, yours end.
This should be the law throughout the country.
If it was, these types of situations would decline very quickly.
I have kids ranging from 1 to 12 years old on both floors of my house. There is no single defensible position in my home if everyone is in their bedroom during the break-in, and the kids are not old enough to actively participate in the defense. I’m not announcing to avoid a hostage situation with one of my kids, but I am (very carefully) clearing the house. My reaction time will be down so I can positively confirm my family is not in my line of fire. Call it counter-ambush if you want. I call it rescue. If I find the home invader behind my water heater, he is welcome to wait there for the police to arrive. Any move on his part to go back through the home where my family is will be considered a threat to their safety.
I have a friend that says he would "rack one into the chamber" instead of saying anything! Is this a good idea or not?
The only way into my cave is through a reinforced window or (somehow) through a double plated steel door. In that case there will not be time for talking. Someone's definitely going down. I don't know anybody and most of my family is dead so there's no reason for anyone to show up... and let themselves in. This isn't a TV sitcom where everyone can walk through the front door which is _never_ locked, accompanied by stock whooping or canned laughter sound effects. Here in Indiana it's a free and very relaxed state. If anyone's getting popped indoors it's for damn good reason.
Just remember to incapacitate, not murder, then call 9-1-1 immediately, say there was a shooting then hang up, don't touch anything.