The Ladies Defy Robert | Downton Abbey | Season 3
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- Опубликовано: 19 окт 2024
- Things come to a head and the ladies choose to defy Robert...
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"I suppose she has an appropriate costume for every activity." kills me every time I see this scene 😂😂😂
You have to love the Dowager … the wit … together with the mannerisms … she is wonderful!!! …. PEACE to ALL.
That was a *REALLY* Great line to add for Comedy's sake in this scene in an effort to "lighten" the Mood...
Hahahaha that is what we can do: laugh.
@@sheilaburns8977 I come in PEACE🤚👵😂
Julian Fellows would write a line for Maggie Smith and think it was funny. Then her delivery would be next level.
"I suppose she has a costume for every activity." The Dowager rocks.
ABSOLUTELY rocks!!!!!
LMAO!
It's a funny line, but one a lady of her age and background would never have said! The lifestyle of a prostitute was a complete mystery to an English aristocratic lady.
It irks me when writers take liberties with a character's authenticity, because they can't resist a particular gag.
@Toot All the Duchess' clothes are beautiful and as clean as her uncorrupted, ridiculously sheltered mind. She'd have to be revived with smelling salts if she knew her own son, aka Hugh Bonneville, had hired the sexual services of a professional sex worker.
What about "these days servants are very hard to find?" Smart way of saying the servants are so hard to find one will resort to prostitutes.
I can see in everyone's eyes that they're all thinking "Sybil would have stayed"
Too right
Indeed she would have
Sybil would have also given or found her a job
You cannot.
Not cora, she’s clearly thinking, dude you killed my daughter, what the heck do you want now?.
I just love - "you know these days servants are very hard to find..." It KILLS me every time!
It IS hard to find service!!!
Dido
“It kills me every time”. Literally everyone here says that same thing. Good lord
I love how the dowager tells Robert no by saying, "it seems a pity to miss such a good pudding."
I was laughing by myself...
I'd like to have Lady Violet as my grandmother. Imagine how much fun you'd have with her. All this irony..... LOL I love her
It's not that much fun trust me... The difference between being rude in your old age and being ironic is very thin and even Violet violates that line in many circumstances, especially in this scene. Being on the receiving end of it is humiliating, even though watching it is fun.
Persiansweetcat1 - To use correct etiquette, the dowager countess is never referred to as "Lady Violet". She is "Lady Grantham". "Lady + (first name)" is only appropriate for the daughters (e.g. Lady Mary and Lady Edith). The current countess is also Lady Grantham, never Lady Cora. You have to love those rules of etiquette... I heard it once said that Kind Edward walked out of a dinner party because someone used the wrong silverware. Imagine the panicked look on the host's and hostess' faces. LOL
@@jdstep97 Looks tough , I mean here half of us can barely remember if the distant great aunt in front of us is from the maternal or paternal side of the family , let alone her name .
My late great-grandmama was exactly like The Dowager Lady Grantham. In the 1970s she still dressed like Queen Mary, always wore a hat and gloves and spoke her mind fearlessly. She also had a warm and generous heart and we all adored her.
Fun telling her to stop her gob, maybe. (Oh, but that's not nice, is it?) Would you like to have her for your mother in law?
I never noticed before that Mary encouraged Edith to contact the editor.
i know right! I was shocked
She wanted Edith out of the house and to stop moping about like a lost sheep I think. I'm not sure she was all that sincere about any of Edith's life choices
The one time she did something nice for Edith. I'm much rather Team Edith than Team Mary.
1980s Child she was happy as long as Edith was being a disappointment to the family standard. I love how Edith's life unfolds though. She seems to be a rather stronger character than most in this time. She seems more real. She knew love, she knew heartbreak, she got embarrassed, she cried, she even hard a "lower class" woman stand up at her! (Poor her they would say in those time) but also life smiled at her at some point. She can advise on life more than the dowager or her dad even though they are older. In all, she became a decent early days feminist: one who fights and raises her child despite all, one who love unconditionally without a care in the world, one who decides to live in a flat in London 😱 as a single mother despite her social status and a working aristocrat. She's so free and she's rewarded by even ranking higher than everyone else at the end. I can see her and her husband using well that position to change the world they live in.
I'm not so sure. I recently re-watched the first two seasons, and it gave me a different opinion. She and Edith were both at each other's throats during the first two seasons (Edith wasn't exactly mother Theresa. In fact, she was much more dislikable in the beginning). I believe this was due to the fact that, (a) they were in a society where they were told their only value was to look pretty and marry well, so they were always in competition with one another, and (b) they were bored to snores. Edith gave as good as she got. Edith was responsible for exposing the story of Pamuk dying in her bed, and went out of her way to be manipulative and horrible, managing Daisy with an expert hand. She sent the story to the embassy, in spite of knowing that it would ruin her sister's life. And then she called Mary a slut to her face, etc. It would be pretty hard to move past that. But, they started to grow up, and they had a more cordial relationship during/after the war. It was after Matthew died that Mary became an impossible bitch, taking her anger out on Edith. I think that Mary doesn't express her emotions well, instead choosing to act austere and sarcastic. I think Mary has a really great story arc and is one of the most interesting characters in terms of development.
I love that Lady Grantham has such a good and kind heart but can also be super strong when it's necessary.
Kindness *is* strength.
"It's a pity to miss such a good pudding" had me laughing a lot. Such a great character.
This was one of the most satisfying scenes of all of this series. Robert was a pompous pain in the ass for the whole episode when Sybil died and I was so glad when Cora was giving him the business. In my opinion, Violet stepped in a bit too soon in getting them to reconcile, but Robert was a bit less pompous after that.
I never really agreed with that, Robert made the wrong decision, but at the end of the day he had good intentions, Cora was acting like he did an evil thing or something
@@jamielambert5267 Cora was angry because Robert refused to listen and made his word the law. He also was being elitist when it came to which doctor he wanted caring for Sybil. He thought that because the other guy had a title, he was better even though Dr. Clarkson had been taking care of their family, without incident, for years.
@@2legit64 And I don't agree with the fact that Lady Violet asked Dr. Clarkson to lie or "massage the truth" about the life-saving benefit of c-section in the case of pre-eclampsia which Dr. Clarkson correctly diagnosed just for the purpose of getting Cora and Robert together. Imo, everything especially reconciliation should be based on truth otherwise it's not real reconciliation. The truth of the matter is c-section could've very well saved Sybil's life (if Sybil's actress' contract had been successfully re-negotiated) during her condition of pre-eclampsia and Robert was wrong in trusting a doctor just based on his title and not giving credit to a doctor who doesn't have a title and Cora was right about that.
Speaking as a man from a majority female extended family the lord lost the fight the second he came into the room. When you enter a room and a group of women go slient. You just have two options: 1. Join in 2. Leave. Plus, never go into a room yelling like that. At that point they just united into one opinion...your wrong.
My God, there is so much truth in your words! Would that every man should learn this. 😏👍
You really understand women 😂
Lol, this comment had me chuckle out loud, causing my husband to come over and read it to proclaim, that "you Sir, are a wise wise man"
Robert is also quite the hypocrite.
What a bunch of nonsense. Cora was fuming over Sybil’s death and blamed Robert for it. Whatever Robert came there to do, she was gonna eat him alive.
I'm glad to know miss Patmore has a good heart and don't judge ..that was a killer !!#
It's MRS Patmore, Yvonne Blake.
@@murdochmclennan3510 OMG. I hope the British police don't come and arrest poor Yvonne.
@@andresuston7692 And it's "DOESN'T judge". The British police is everywhere to enforce the usage of proper English.
@@dttra566 I wrote what I wanted to write. But since we're correcting shouldn't it be the police ARE everywhere, and not IS everywhere since police is plural? 😅😅
@@andresuston7692 Actually it's both. Even though "the police" can be used in a plural form but it is an uncountable noun (e.g. fish) which does not actually have a plural form and must always be used in a singular form. In the case of the word "police", it depends on the context. If you mean the police as a specific governmental institution as in this case "The British police" as I take it from you meaning some kind of "grammar police", then it is supposed to be used as the singular form "The British police is coming". It can be used in a plural form if you want to refer to a specific situation where more than one member of the police force is coming, then yes you would state "The police are coming" but that's not the case here. There are really no actual policemen who are coming; it's just a term "British police" which you are mockingly using to refer to some kind of grammar police so it should be the singular form that is used.
Edith is supposed to be the "ugly" sister but I think the actress is so pretty ♥
I agree. I think they tried to make her look 'dowdy' on the show, but irl Laura Carmichael looks a lot younger than she looks on the show, and is very pretty.
She gets prettier as she finds herself and starts acting for her own good instead of being petty against Mary
@@Roberta_Trevino Doubly agree. The worst thing about the character was that she absolutely insisted upon keeping her quarrel with Mary. When they gave her scenes alone as a career woman, I'd occasionally find myself thinking, "Oh, I'd wife her so quickly..."
She is so pretty in real life
She's noble and stately.
“Is that a Charlotte Russe? How delicious.” I really have missed this elegant saga. I am looking forward to more of it. 🙋♀️
LOL! "Well of course, these days, servants are very hard to find." Granny has such a way of trying to bridge uncomfortable discussions!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Domestic_worker
They ARE hard to find!!!!
It's the "I suppose she has a costume for every activity!" for me😂
I love how Maggie Smith makes great comedic relief in the midst of a serious scene!
"It seems a pity to miss such a good pudding"
The countess says it with the innocence of a school girl
Edith "Do you think I should do it?'Isobel "I wouldn't countermand your father."Dowager " Then why bring it up?"😀😀😀
0:51
Ironic that Robert criticized Ethel for having a badgers child when Edith would have one shortly afterward
That's how it still is. 💁
That must have been one charming badger!
Joanna Mallory That cracked me up instantly 😂😂🤣🤣.That’s hilarious 😆 😆😆
Kerri D I guess as Edith's father he was more forgiving
Karma got him. "Don't judge, lest you be judged."
It was nice to see these ladies show solidarity. Being a woman must have been very stifling back then.
I know. This is a good example of women supporting women 🙌🏻✊🏻
Yes. Such a rough time the way they didn’t have to work dangerous jobs or be commanded to go to war and die. Poor things.
@@mistermysteryman107 true. They were forced into bearing children and possibly dying. Not to mention being beaten and raped by their husband's. Told what to do,what to say,when to do it,how to do it,when to say it,how to say it. Not allowed to have any money,any freedom,any education . Only to serve a man. Some didn't survive. Some did. Some wished they hadn't. Oh,the grand lives they led. Please.
I just love the shocked look on Cora's face.
I love the Dowagers reaction to finding out Ethel is an adulterer!
The Gay Catholic: She's a prostitute, sweetheart.
Me too. The facial expression is so priceless. #goodActress
@@murdochmclennan3510 That she was, tulip. But the moment I was referring to was her reaction to learning she had a child out of wedlock.
Cora is awesome. She doesn’t argue, but she doesn’t let anyone to boss her around.
I love the shade in Cora’s “and we’re not leaving.”
Love Mrs Crawley here again. She helped modernise the whole family with her influence
The Dowager should have gotten her own spinoff!!!
I'd love to see a prequel of her younger years
@@amandaljohnson so do I, but I don't think a younger Violet would be that incisive. It's something people normally acquire with age and experience. I do hope to become as fast as the Dowager for those world-class answers, sooner than later.
Smith wanted out, she was ready for the series to end. It was said that she wasn't even interested in the movie. Notice that they "killed" her off at the end…subtle nod, in case there's another useless movie in the future.
@@amandaljohnson Same !!
She was done with the show. The reason we keep getting movies is because she agrees to come back.
In one moment Isobel advises Edith not to "countermand" her father and in the next all the women do exactly that ! Perfect !
Well, different advices to different situations.
2:23 I freaking love this line!! Another fantastic reason why Cora was such a wonderful character.
“These days servants are very hard to find” so good!!
"Well, of course, these days servants are very hard to find..." and "A Charlotte Russe? How delicious!" I am LIVING.
“I sometimes wonder if I should learn to cook.” “Whyyy?”
God, Mary is such an unbelievable snob.
She isn't a snob, she's just firm on her ideals that she was brought up on.
Not open-minded or barely able to tolerate her sister's ideas to me is very snobby.
Lol I love it
She's a snob but she encouraged Edith to contact the editor
Really? you really think Edith was being sincere in that comment? People often say such things as a way to relate but will never have the intention of acting on it.
This had everything to do with Matthew and very little to do with Ethel. He felt he was being one-upped by Matthew and he was ticked off. He was taking it out on poor Mrs. Crawley and everyone else. Good on Lady Grantham for standing up to him :-).
I love the way he is so politely told to run along
A footnote: a Charlotte Russe when made in the traditional French way (and not some shortcut recipe) is one of the most delicious desserts on the planet.....which sadly very few people in the USA have ever tasted.
What's it taste like?? I'd never heard of it until this scene!
In the states most people would think you were talking about the fashion store - which was like a trashier version of Deb or fashion bug. You could find something fun to go clubbing in, but I don't suggest it for work outfits lol... I think it's bankrupt now, or at least it left our mall. Places like kohls, target, Walmart and Amazon have kinda killed individual clothing stores, this exception of destination malls or online shopping.
Is that a Charlotte rouse? How delicious!
Russe, not Rouse, dear man. Its a French word for Russian.
John L love m'lady
MJ Remy well of course you are correct, how silly of me! Where was my head? Imagine my chagrin! And me with a Ph.D ! I am eternally thankful you took it upon yourself to point this out, even underscoring your condescension with ‘dear man’. Is this a gift you share only in print, or does it extend to daily conversation?! Your attitude must make you an absolute delight in social situations.
Is this a reference to Once Upon a Time in America, one of Elizabeth McGovern’s first roles?
@@kiwibuddy2 snob
At the heart of this very intelligent show is *compassion*, and that's one of the reasons I love it.
This scene is so much ahead of the times
Ladies stood for each other against a man's command in a so called man's world
@bb77077 oh look here comes a person who is salty because he/she was left behind by time. Do you think you still live in the 19th century? I pity you.
@bb77077 if you think a woman after 30 should pity herself, then you are wrong. Perhaps you should pity yourself because of such saltiness in your personality. Tell me, why do you speak of women with such disdain, "especially after 30?" Because they are more successful than you? Do strong, independent women who speaks their own mind scare you? Are you afraid that most women no longer depend on men? Ouch, that must hurt, being left behind.
@bb77077 Thanks,I worked hard for it. I'm still growing though. I'm not posh,just learned that you can't change anyone so why try.
Are you a gay man? You seem not to love women much.
I wouldnt say against " a man's world" entirely.... rather a lot of men and women thought it scandalous to be a prostitute or be associated with one of that history. Anyone could storm in and demand to their family to leave, do you think the ladies would have gone if they knew Ethel's background?
Fabulous acting. Downton Abbey was a masterpiece of television.
Although Robert is actually a good man, there are so many instances where Robert is such a stubborn, judgemental, overly old-fashioned (even for that time period,) ignorant jerk. It's a sigh of great writing and great character development to show characters with so many layers and complexities.
No, for his time that was not an old-fashioned attitude. And remember, there are still people who claim it was better to vote for Trump despite his affairs than for Hillary because her husband had affairs.
@Deborah Kerr Mainly true. Trump voters knew he was unqualified in every way but wanted him anyway. I was surprised, though, that before the 2008 election more people said they would be willing to vote for a black man than a woman. And this wasn't just specific to the highly charismatic and learned Obama vs. the wonky but more experienced Clinton. There were more people in our country who thought no woman could lead as well as any man.
Robert came off as so pompous.
I know, and when he lost their fortune, IDIOT!!
@@TheAureliac I know this is an old comment. Most people don't vote for someone based on their personal life but political views. Presidents are limited in power and don't necessarily make choices based on personal views. And Robert is very childish, but many men are still like that. We see it later when Matthew is no longer involved and he doesn't want Mary to get power.
Robert is a decent man but he deserved to be stood up to here
Well. He is only a person of his environment after all. He loves them very much and wants to protect them as mich as he can as much as he understands within the values he grew up. So this was a lesson learned and he seemed to take it well after.
He was a decent man for the period...he did not beat his wife or children and he was fair to those who served him but he would never have invited any of his servants to sit down with him and have a heart to heart talk about their problems.
@@gisawslonim9716 agree, but going out of his way to support Mrs Patmore's 'house of ill repute' 🤭 by taking tea & photos there, showed a kind of care that was really sweet. Not to mention the memorial for her nephew. Also when he stood up against Thomas losing his job because he was gay - "If I screamed every time a boy at school tried it on with me, I'd be hoarse..." 😂 He definitely had a good heart, despite being a product of his class & time 😊
“Seems a pity to miss such a good pudding” shall be my epitaph.
I love this scene, I’m so glad they all stayed, even The Dowager 😂
I love Cora's face.
One of the best scenes of all seasons!
Lady Grantham was pissed with her husband over the death of her daughter. Do what you want Edith.
When he slammed the door I laughed.
I loved how she was mean to Robert after Sybil's death. I would be, too, the pompous git.
British Humour is ever such a sharp weapon
Yes, they have a supercilious insult for every occasion.
Violet always has the best lines.
Period shows like this are the best. One can learn a lot about history and the times in which it takes place. Factual or even exaggerated, it makes for a good show !
That's true, but, please remember, gay people weren't accepted, and in real life, if Thomas was found out to be gay, he would have been thrown out so fast, he wouldn't even know what hit him, and he would have no letters of recommendations, word would probably have gotten out, and without recommendations, you couldn't get jobs anywhere. He would also ended up in prison, since it was illegal at that time and was up until the 1960's or 70's, if I remember my history correctly. But, other than that, you do learn stuff that isn't done anymore.
@@ProudKansan08 They couldn't put a man in prison just for "being gay". They had to have evidence of him actually having relations with another man. That's why they raided the gay dance hall in the movie, so they could catch them in the act (dancing with another man was considered relations).
Love the Dowager!!! 😍😍 And the writing of this show is impecable...
ALWAYS loved when "Lord" Grantham got slapped down by the Ladies of Downton
Mary was very genuinely supportive of Edith here, because of the promise she made when Sybil died, that they would stick together in this horrible time (mourning).
That’s what I really like about the sisters. Even tho they can’t stand each other they set aside that and come together when something is about Sybil
There was only about three times over the whole series where they were genuinely in each other's corners and the rest of the time they were trying to kill each other.
I suppose she has an appropriate costume for every activity.
I cannot see why you and 176 others find this so funny. The character is openly sneering at someone (and not with much wit, sorry...) who's gone out of her way to prepare a decent lunch to comfort her family.
@@Lampritch What?
🤣 humor and be serious all at the same time 👏 one of the bests
2:35 "It seems pity to miss such a good pudding."
1:36😂😂😂😂 Dowager is a comedic genius
I love how Robert can’t bring himself to repeat his comments in front of Ethel. The actual sight of her making an effort to rebuild her life destroys all of his previous arguments.
the grandma's one liners make me laugh out loud and Maggie Smith does it so well
That room the costumes and table setting are gorgeous. 😍
oh this music of the show melts my heats every time😭
Glad they stayed and stood up to Robert.
I LOVE CORAAAA😭😭😭👏👏
What a great scene. No one should be judged and that pudding does look delicious !
This program definitely made you feel like a fly on the wall.
Mary's eye roll after Edith mentions she wants to learn how to cook is subtle, but when you focus up on it, is really telling about her behavior.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooking
What? What does that even mean? She was rolling her eyes because there was no reason for Edith to learn to cook in her situation, as she would never cook.
L̶a̶d̶y̶ Fox Ŵøłfæ exactly. Why should Edith learn to cook. Edith wasn’t going anywhere
@@jehannethompson1432 it was a time when Edith was thinking of moving to London with marigold and living in the flat above the magazine offices.
I love "Don't sound so surprised." It kills me every time.
1:18 always makes me fall off my chair. The false indignation 😅🤣😅
The women stick together. Brave :)
I love these ladies!
Each actress was brilliant,god I just love Downton Abbey ❤
whats even better about this is the fact that robert barged in to someone elses house since that is isobel's home it is why she was at the head of the table and not violet who is social standing wise higher up slightly so isobel would have had every right to have had robert thrown out on his backside if she had wished to.
Who would do that? Throw him out on his backside I mean. The butler? But I don' t think she has one.
Not quite, as Crawley House belongs to Robert and she does not have a lease, but gets to live there by virtue of him allowing her to. It is HIS house. He owns it. And she has no rental agreement or anything. So in fact, if he wanted to escalate and create scandal, he could have thrown her out and gotten his family by threat of police.
So many good moments from this show! There needs to be more!
I love this series.cant wait for September.
a Downton movie! I can not wait!
One of the many brilliant scenes...
The humour in this is second to none.
I love this scene so much. It highlights the values of all the characters.
Isobel the progressive trying to give Ethel a second chance.
Robert the staunch traditionalist so worried about scandal.
Edith trying to find her way in the world.
Cora complimenting Ethel so she does not feel bad.
Dowager probably shocked, but wanting to show solidarity with Cora who was grieving.
Meanwhile Mary just glared at her father before he left.
She’s like wtf bro
Oh gosh Maggy Smith ! So funny moment in DA 😂
I've been Bing watching all week ..can't wait for the second movie.
Excellent!
LOL when The Dowager is more tolerant than Lord Grantham.
Isobel is a true pioneer of good in downtown.
The BEST scene, ever!
Man I miss this series wish they made more.
As dramatic as this scene was, You have to admit Maggie Smith effortlessly steals it with those two phrases
this is one of my favorite scenes, hands down
The whole story line with Ethel’s cooking is very funny
Brilliant set piece utterly brilliant
I read through the comments about how this is a great feminist scene, and other saying it isn't feminist enough. Come on, it's a period piece, and an honest one at that. I appreciate that the writers and producers show a good representation of what life was like a hundred years ago, so you, not they, can make your own judgement calls.
I don't remember this scene, but it is very powerful. I think ever,one can learn something from it: a gem within the crown of Downton Abbey
Love those ladies
It goes like this all the time in the show. Robert always does what the girls want in the end.
Teddy 97 One man against 5 ladies... I dont think theres that much of a fight to put up
He's usually wrong.
I have no recollection of this episode. I better rewatch!
2:35 "It seems such a shame to miss such a good pudding." She always knew how to deal with every situation.
0:44. Whoa! What a statement.
I was just thinking of this earlier and it popped up on my recommended videos!!! 👏🏽😃🤔😳
I love how the dowager always has a clinching line to top it off. The proverbial cherry on the cake. Or in this case, Pudding.
For the benefit of any Americans who are puzzled by the terminology in this scene:
In the United Kingdom, 'pudding' is often used a synonym for 'dessert', especially among the upper classes.
For the benefit of any UKers who wonder why an American might be puzzled:
In the United States, 'pudding' refers to just a single kind of dessert: the one that's called a 'custard' in the UK. We definitely wouldn't use that term when talking about something as fancy as a Charlotte Russe.
Thanks, but, I wasn’t confused.
It also refers to the fact that it’s prodded and manhandled……..😜
Being raised on pudding(custard) in the US it sounds so strange to use the same word for other desserts. Are brownies or certain cakes called a pudding? 🤔
Yes, if they're being served as an after-meal dessert.
I'm not sure whether they would be, if they're being served at tea time.
Ironic how one of the women at the table, one of Robert’s daughters, will have a bastard child herself.
And Mary had the whole thing with Mr. Pamuk
And Tony
Such an amazing cast!
"I'm glad to know Mrs. Patmore has a good heart and does not judge." That said it all. Robert should have left then. He was outclassed, outnumbered and outgunned.