The best advice I can give for sim racing is don't be in the way if someone is trying to pass. Just get outta the way and let them die by themselves in the next corner while you drive by unharmed. LOL
@@MrKelenek I’ve made moves like that on real people. And the AI in F1 games most definitely doesn’t let you make moves like that, like trying to put it down the inside of a kink at Singapore against AI? Your race is over
Glad jimmys kept up with the series. Was a little worried he’d think it was “cheap” reaction content and only do it the one time but we all love watching and judging sim wrecks this just brings them all together and adds some more entertainment
and then you get a handful of dudes arguing about how the guy driving like an asshole is in the right. It happens every time in these videos with the most egregious examples of dangerous, inconsiderate racing.
9:21 - this also might not even be intentional blocking. I've seen so many people go off-track, come back on, and you can visibly see them think "oh shit, I should leave the racing line clear" and swerve off without thinking about where the cars behind them are.
Yeah, I agree. The dude was completely in the wrong, but a general rule of life is "Don't assume malevolence when ignorance is an option". What that looked like to me was the dude went off, looked in his mirror, went to the left to get out of the way, then when he looked back in his mirrors saw the approaching car was also going left, steered to the right to get out of the way again. Also completely possible that the dude just wasn't looking behind him at all. It looked like intentional blocking (and I'm not saying it wasn't)... but "Inexperienced driver does something stupid" tends to be more common that "Guy intentionally causes crash that will take him out of the race".
@@indyandherjones Agree completely, looks like he didn't notice him when he was originally moving to the left. Then once he see's him flying up in the mirror he tries to get out the way to the right. Classic mistake of changing your line with a fast approaching car. Could just as easily be intentional as well but no way of knowing.
Just downloaded Richard burns rally today. Runs a solid 60 on my shitbox laptop. Loving it so far and I haven't even used my g29 yet (been using a series s controller). Was inspired by your video on it ages ago.
That's been my go to racing sim on my rig since assetto corsa hasn't been behaving with my wheel and I don't care enough to deal with it right now. Rallysimfans mod makes the game fantastic. I tried dirt rally 2.0 again after playing RBR for a while and uninstalled it after realizing just how slippery and weird the cars are.
6:03 Is it just me or does the 27 move way the hell over to block the car he's following? Maybe he lost control of his car but you see him move to the left, then over to the right. I mean the following car had to dip two tires in the dirt JUST to avoid him! I get what Jimmy is saying but how could the guy following possibly predict that 27 would dive to the other side of the track to keep them from passing? I think he's being a bit forgiving of the 27 car here, it's like he thinks 27 was driving in a straight line the entire time and OP crashed right into him for no reason, when there was no rhyme or reason to come way the hell over like that except to block someone who is faster than you. I agree that the guy should've slowed down a bit when he saw 27 driving erratically, but this is like 80% 27's fault. He stays on his line and none of this happens, but he didn't want to lose position so he dove to the other side to cut them off or run them off the road. The car OP was following got lucky that they had enough space to avoid them. I think OP should've let off the throttle a bit sure, but what 27 did was very much unexpected and...very ungentlemanly, we'll call it.
I am the guy who posted and yeh, I should’ve slowed down but cant lie i was a bit disappointed Jimmy went straight to the “you drive into the back of him” without really adding much about the car aheads erratic driving lmao
@@tunatastic3307 ::shrug:: yeah I just see it differently. We also need to account for this happening at full speed. This happens quite a bit with sports nowadays; we as fans see plays CSI style enhanced at 12 different angles and in slow motion and we go 'HOW DID THE REF NOT SEE THAT WHAT AN IDIOT'. I think keeping in mind this all happened in less than a second or so makes me a lot more understanding of how you reacted
12:06 Based on the driving standards guideline for the real f1 this season, I think the AT might be at fault for this? What the guidelines say: "Guidelines for overtaking on the inside of a corner" In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track. When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tires are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.
So basically, front tyres to rear tyres and you've gotta give room then basically. But yeah Copse incident that would say that Verstappen should have given room to Hamilton there.
Love these videos. Should be mandatory viewing for new sim racers. Seems like I'm still getting wrapped up in stupid incidents even in A license races. In fact, it almost seems worse.
that's cause no ammount of skill will prevent an intentional crash people who race decently get high skill scores and then can't handle to find they are not the fastest in the whole world xD
10:50 the two move rule applies only close to the braking zone. There is something to be said about weaving too frequently or aggressively, but breaking the tow is absolutely allowed on the straights. I might still call the Ferrari at fault, but only because his weaving was harsh, aggressive, and sudden, not because he is making too many defensive moves, as they aren't even close to the braking zone yet.
Merc alpha incident 12 mins in was in my league. Alpha had damage prior to the first move so should never had considered the move to begin with. Merc driver knew of damage so never thought the alpha would make the move and then second part of it was him thinking the alpha would had taken damage into consideration and slowed up and given room to him.
This is an excellent series and anyone looking to improve their racecraft should watch this (also it's just very entertaining lol) I'm not entirely sure I agree with your assessment on the Indycar incident, though. It looks like the car in front checks up quite a bit, and the car we're riding with gets caught out by it. That corner does seem like it's actually quite a loaded corner and obviously making significant adjustments to your line in a loaded corner can be pretty dodgy. I think I'd hesitate to put the blame on the guy we ride with, and would really just call it an unfortunate racing incident.
These are my favourite videos from you. All the different games on show, a good chance for people to learn right and wrong, long May this series continue!
@@alexkulp9727 Watkins Glen actually have some of the fair pen in the game the track limit is actually the track limit it can be harsh at times but when you get penalty most of the time it's when you know you cutting or go off-track too much
11:25 That's the Verstappen Lunge (TM). 1) Be alongside on the inside at the braking zone. 2) Brake late to stay alongside regardless of whether you can make the corner. 3) Clatter the apex. 4) Drive straight across the track to the outside of the corner on exit cutting off any possible line for the car on the outside. It's legal. It's impossible to counter without contact. It's super effective. (warning: may harm friendships)
I disagree with the first Indycar clip. The guy trying to defend ahead just slows down and moved around so much and the driver in the pov was just trying to maintain pace. I also think the Merc in the baku clip was the overly-aggressive one since in the second turn he brakes much later, using the Alpha Tauri as a brake.
7:50 Another option for pit entries is for a flag to be set in the game code when you cross that yellow pit entry line. If you go into the pits a penalty is applied for cutting the track: "tHey sAy yoU CUt The COUrSE" etc, etc. However, when you continue that flag is discarded/reset. The performance impact would be negligible, but it might be even less by doing it vice versa (ie. only when you don't cross the line is the flag set) and would mean that lapping the track never enters that code.
I've been simracing for a year or so and what I've noticed most about a lot of guys, especially in rookie servers, is that most guys starting out spend about 90% of their energy trying to block you or get in front of you in the moment rather than realize that going way the hell out of your way just to get in front of someone causes you to take a corner way slower and get a slow exit than you would if you would just focus on taking the best line possible without driving like a dick. Public servers can be a real pain in the ass because you run into so many sore losers and jackasses who refuse to let you pass even when you're significantly faster than they are. The amount of times I just get rammed on RaceRoom is really frustrating. Sometimes you just need to be ok with losing position if it means you'll be able to actually finish the race. I'll happily concede position to some fragile douchebag taking messy racing lines and thinks he's the second coming of Senna. I feel like so many guys would be 10 times better and would get much better results if they raced like that. No 'special' setups thinking it'll give you several seconds a lap, or thinking you need more expensive equipment to be better, just ACTUALLY finish a damn race, maybe even be ok with being a backmarker, as long as you're racing safely.
@@scrambledmandible I was educated through the superior Irish education system. I have a level 8 certificate in computer aided engineering with finite element analysis from Munster Technological University. I just don't have the patience for over long youtube comments and idiotic judgemental replies from people like you.
7:00 I'm not sure you took into consideration how the guy had been flinging the car around while defending from the other guy and made himself really unpredictable. Does that affect your opinion?
Yeah, I dont think he was ever getting past that car cleanly, that dude was going back and forth across the track like windshield wipers, even if he had gone outside that guy would have tried to move back left again, he actually was about to strafe left again but only stopped moving left because he saw the car behind not going left and was getting ready to swerve right again if need be. He was not letting that car pass him, the rear car could tell they were getting purposely blocked no matter what they did which is why they hesitated on their move which is why they crashed
Number one tip for new sim racers: Slow down in practice. If you’re flying off the track, spinning and making a lot of mistakes every single lap; you are not getting better. Lift off early, hit the apex and nail the exit. Get the lap PERFECT at 50 - 70% pace and build up from there. The most important thing is getting the laps in consistently. Accept that you are not fast yet and that it will take time to get fast. If you are making a lot of mistakes you are going too fast for your ability. Racing is knowing the car so well that you don’t have to try, it should be easy and the only way you’ll get there is by slowing way down.
6:36 that conversation is exactly what happened to the 64 corvette at le mans. The two p2s were passing the vette, one moved toward the other, causing that one to move into the 64 and the corvette lost out
@@tunatastic3307 the one who hit the vette couldve backed off, gotten behind the other p2, and tried to fight into the next chicane but made a decision that ended corvette’s race. Its on him but its still just a racing incident. The vette too couldve backed off more coming out of the daytona chicane.
12:33 yeah, if the Mercedes isn't in front of him in T1, he would've gone straight through and probably into the wall. That's his fault. He was behind at that point, so even though the Mercedes driver should've given room, the Alpha Tauri had no business being there. He was not taking the corner in a manner that would result in him ever keeping that position.
I think at 9:50 he moved left before seeing the car, saw the car coming up on the left or realized they were on the racing line and tried to move right out of the way, while the white red bull also turned right. It's also tricky because it's a hill. They might not have seen the white red bull at all.
I knew nothing about racing etiquette/ rules before you started making these videos and by now I know at least a little bit! Thanks for explaining the situations and breaking them down like you do :)
10:50 i only accept people moving twice when it's obvious that they're braking the tow ie fluid movements, not swiping to the right and then going back after being straight for 100 metres
In Watkins Glen it’s rather annoying as with that Pit Entry as the racing line is on where he is. (Notice the two cars ahead of the guy coming in to pit) 7:15 also if that was NASCAR the car behind would have no indication if the car ahead is slowing down to pit unless the spotter or Crew Chief warns them the car ahead or someone ahead is slowing down to pit at Turn 9 (Final Corner) so maybe if the racing line wasn’t completely in the yellow boundaries of the entrance to pit road the racing line would be like the right side tires shouldn’t be over it. In saying that you will compromise your racing line exiting turn 9 tho as your coming in wider and because turn 9 (The final corner) leads onto the front stretch. So that is solely up to the racing series and the track owners
13:57 funnily enough last night I turned in at the first road doing the S-12 license in GT4 the first time around, it was not the right road, the chicane was the 2nd one, good to see I'm not the only person that's gone for the first road
I've watched like 12 of these today, and I've learned more about the rules of racing and etiquette and stewarding than I have watching various racing series this year. Thanks! And they're wildly entertaining!
I think you judged that fairly well jimmer... i am to see how far you have come in sim racing. I see you everywhere and hear your commentary on audio on other events.. And all from playing video games.. thats amazing to think where we started, and where you are now.. GOD SPEED JIMMMER, GOD SPEED...
4:24 is a really tricky one for me, if the BMW had closed the door then IMO it would be the BMW's fault, however it looks like the beamer does leave enough space, JUST. But the Merc isn't precise enough and hits the BMW. I think it's a racing incident because there was room for the Merc, but the BMW should have been more sensible and made sure he leave-a-the space for him a little more.
This incident was actually very similar to max and ham crash at Silverstone last year. BMW turned in thinking other guy turned in too, but he didn't so you collect each other I agree with a racing incident.
Cheers Jimmy for featuring our F1 clip (about 11 minutes). It's not always like this, I promise! This particular incident was a bit of a headache for our stewards but ultimately came to the same conclusion as you "oh fuckin hell... you're both being too aggressive".
when people end up the victim in incidents, it's always important to remember you are both just amateur racers in a game and mistakes happen and are allowed. neither of you is getting paid millions of money to drive perfectly each lap, you are both just trying to have fun in your limited spare time, and you can not expect the people you share the track with to drive perfect lines each lap. incidents are going to happen and usually without any malicious intent on either side. just forgive each other and both acknowledge you could have both given each other more space and move, because in at least 69% of incidents both parties are at least a little at fault considering none of us are pros. we're all just trying to have fun and in sin racing no damage really gets done, so don't get so mad at each other
The regulations in gt7 for pit entry is to stay within the line upon entry or receive a time penalty and despite having no iracing experience I think it would be good if they did something like that 8:37
"the vortex of danger" involved in so many of these crashes, you aren't alongside yet, you aren't going to make the pass before the apex, and there's nowhere for you to go but into the car you're trying to pass
These videos are genuinely helping me get better at racing. At least racing calmly and acknowledging when I'M the one making stupid mistakes. Still 2nd to last gang
@10:58 I done that exact thing on LFM once. One defensive move off and 1 move back to brake the slipstream and no move after that however the driver behind did not like it and reported me so lfm felt the need to give me a penalty lol.
In NASCAR at the Glen they don’t really enforce that either. But there’s really never been a problem because the spotters are usually on top of it and the driver will signal with a hand out the window on the straightaway after the carousel as well as drive his car all the way to the left side of the track and back up before the next corner to make sure he gets the message across.
The iRacing pit issue could likely be fixed with a simple true or false (boolean) value. Essentially If Car Crosses the line on that lap set PitEntryCrossed to true if not it would be false. Have a check for that value at the start of the pitlane and if you entered the pitlane and crossed the line you would be warned/penalised. Have that value reset to false upon crossing the finish line or in cases where the line is weird, you could use the pit exit line.
I appreciate the respectful commentary on the mistakes the drivers made in here. Not too much banter, this was quite educational and had quality feedback. Good video :)
5:45, the only thing maybe, is dark green can /try/ to give a little more space there, to avoid netcode deciding to murder them both :/? but yeah, definitely racing/netcode incident.
12:19 I mean... he's not wrong. If you did all that anywhere between 1 and 5 I think it could be said someone sees why... but at 7 and 8, just keep your car on the track. There's always time to gain places. ALWAYS TIME until you cross. I've p9 to p4+ in the last several hundred yards of a race for any number of reason. Keep your car on the road. Don't lose to yourself.
I learn so much from these videos. It’s actually a source of racing knowledge for me. Learning what NOT to do basically tells you what you’re supposed to do. 😅
im ordering a g29 today for my birthday ... can't wait to play asseto corsa + japanese pack with my fav car the mx-5, this series is pretty informative on how to race wheel to wheel, thanks for it!
reviewing incidents at 480p, make sure you set the quality of the clips to the higher setting as it will look better for the viewers. who would love to see the incident
Been watching your channel for ages and only just realised that outro track is Running in the 90's by Tsuko G transposed into a minor key with the tempo slowed down
Jimmer here’s some advice for the ovals: According Nascar themselves essentially unless it was 100% proven intentional (either admittedly or undoubtedly, i.e. going straight in a corner to wreck someone) then it’s a racing incident and you handle it by having a yelling match in the Iracing chat.
10:50 that first move was to break slipstream and the gap was not close enough to make a move behind yet. wrong judgement by you but still illegal swerving cause he moved just after the car on the straight…
I think most people don't understand that sim racing isn't really a 'game', it's a sport in a gaming environment. When you're coming into sim racing from Need for Speed or something like that, those racing games reward massively aggressive driving, where crashing and trading paint is part and parcel of it. You end up with a lot of newbies who don't understand you're not allowed to weave in front of the person behind you, cut people off in corners, not leave your opponents room. In a racing game, if a move is going to force an opponent off track, so what? That's standard. In iRacing or something similar that's how you ruin an entire race.
Referencing your comments at around the 10 minute mark. iRacing was included with a 3 month trial as part of a Humblebundle along with some other racing games. With iRacing in particular, the 3 month membership had to be started by the beginning of June and as such, there could well be a number of novice racers until September.
Incident 1 @1:11 I concur. Technically you're ahead and technically you have a right to that line but it's not a move anyone would expect that late. Because he's technically correct, Racing Incident. Incident 2 @2:05 I concur. Alpha Tauri divebombed the other two for no apparent reason. If he'd held back just a bit, the other two would have probably gotten terrible exits each, he might be able to get past the very next corner. Alpha Tauri at fault. Incident 3 @3:22 I concur. No need to squeeze the Merc off at that point. You always need-a to leave-a the space. BMW at fault. Incident 4 @4:53 I concur. Netcode fuckery at work. Racing Incident as a result. Incident 5 @6:03 I don't entirely agree. The car that got hit clearly stepped out, the middle car reacted to that very quickly, kudos to them, and then the first car slightly overcorrected. Granted, I do agree that the contact was on the POV driver, but the car that got hit was behaving erratic enough that I say Racing Incident. Incident 6 @7:11 I agree, the rule needs to be enforced. Stay entirely on the inside of the pit entry line if you want to enter the pits. If the rule wasn't being enforced, the rear car should know that pit entry is always a possibility. If that's the case, you can blame the rear car, but I say racing incident because of unclear regs. Incident 7 @9:06 I agree on principle, if these were all experienced professional drivers you'd be entirely correct. But something tells me the slow car is an inexperienced guy making a stupid mistake, so I wouldn't be as harsh. Slow car still at fault, but it should be a coaching moment, not a punishment moment. Incident 8 @10:35 I disagree. The Ferrari is just breaking tow. If they were closer to the braking zone, sure, you're right, but breaking tow is entirely permissible. The Merc should have been much more aware of DRS killing his downforce. Ferrari not at fault. Incident 9 @11:13 I don't agree. The Merc has a monster lockup and turns into the AT like it's not there, even though he just overtook the guy with very little speed delta. Sure, the AT is making a complete dog's dinner of the corner, but the Merc should have left more space if just because of the monster lockup making him carry much more speed, take a wide apex, and finish the overtake into either T2 or T3. It's still a racing incident, but if I was forced to choose, I'd say the Merc was at fault, not the AT. The Turn 3 incident is just both being angry at each other due to T1. Incident 10 @13:23 Maybe? The Spongebob car may just be giving the impression of turning in due to contact, not enough camera angles to show. Racing incident is the best way to put it. Incident 11 @14:38 100% legal, yes. Completely agreed. But you know what they say: If it's a stupid idea, but it works, it's not stupid.
The last one reminds me of a Suzuka race on acc I was in not long ago. P1 and p2(me) were approaching a back marker going into t12 and we ended up running 3 wide through t12 and scared tf out of the back marker but everyone made it through the corner with no contact was just a very crazy moment
Disagree with the verdict @5:55. The lead car was acting too defensively to try to block the cars behind. You can see the lead car take the turn normally, then turn wide, and then close the gap by turning sharp. At which point car #2 made their move but the lead car had bled enough speed to make the Cam car (#3) run into the back of them.
The best advice I can give for sim racing is don’t assume anyone else is trying their hardest to not crash.
Yeah, Good philosophy.
Then in Forza it's best to assume everyone wants to ram you. That way you're not surprised when they do, you're surprised when they don't.
The best advice I can give for sim racing is don't be in the way if someone is trying to pass. Just get outta the way and let them die by themselves in the next corner while you drive by unharmed. LOL
@@patrickmoharter8112 and if someone is already lapped and you're leading there is no need to bump and run, I'll move lol
Or corner bomb
"Yeah, it is 100% legal, just dodgy as fuck" can be applied to a lot of things nowadays lmao
Applies to dodging.
The kind of moves that doesn't work vs real people. The AI reaction time to move over to leave space is what made sure he didn't crash.
@@MrKelenek I’ve made moves like that on real people. And the AI in F1 games most definitely doesn’t let you make moves like that, like trying to put it down the inside of a kink at Singapore against AI? Your race is over
@@dylanzrim3635 Its literally AI race.Look at the post
It's literally the rule that modern world is built on :D
I honestly love this series as it teaches people what's acceptable during wheel to wheel racing and helps make racing cleaner
Glad jimmys kept up with the series. Was a little worried he’d think it was “cheap” reaction content and only do it the one time but we all love watching and judging sim wrecks this just brings them all together and adds some more entertainment
and then you get a handful of dudes arguing about how the guy driving like an asshole is in the right. It happens every time in these videos with the most egregious examples of dangerous, inconsiderate racing.
wheel racing takes lots and lots and lots and lots and lots of common sense, something some humans don't have.
@@punchawaterfall6302 best thing about simracing is slamming into other cars instead of braking and surviving!
@@punchawaterfall6302 the "if you no longer go for a gap you're no longer a racing driver" people?
"When it works you're a hero, when it doesn't you're a fucking idiot" now that's a quote
It's also a very old quote.
Günther Steiner : We look like a bunch of _legends_
What time?
9:21 - this also might not even be intentional blocking. I've seen so many people go off-track, come back on, and you can visibly see them think "oh shit, I should leave the racing line clear" and swerve off without thinking about where the cars behind them are.
@Hesh Hesherson Absolutely - my point is that there’s not necessarily any bad intentions here in this sort of scenario :)
it's still his fault because at that point it would be unsafe rejoin, the least you could do is stay to the side until you get back up to speed.
@@Zenthex Fully agreed, I’m not arguing that he’s not in the wrong, I’m just saying this may not have been intentional/protest-worthy.
Yeah, I agree. The dude was completely in the wrong, but a general rule of life is "Don't assume malevolence when ignorance is an option". What that looked like to me was the dude went off, looked in his mirror, went to the left to get out of the way, then when he looked back in his mirrors saw the approaching car was also going left, steered to the right to get out of the way again. Also completely possible that the dude just wasn't looking behind him at all.
It looked like intentional blocking (and I'm not saying it wasn't)... but "Inexperienced driver does something stupid" tends to be more common that "Guy intentionally causes crash that will take him out of the race".
@@indyandherjones Agree completely, looks like he didn't notice him when he was originally moving to the left. Then once he see's him flying up in the mirror he tries to get out the way to the right. Classic mistake of changing your line with a fast approaching car. Could just as easily be intentional as well but no way of knowing.
Just downloaded Richard burns rally today. Runs a solid 60 on my shitbox laptop. Loving it so far and I haven't even used my g29 yet (been using a series s controller). Was inspired by your video on it ages ago.
Best choice really. Nobody else crashing into you in that :P (although you know you're to blame there, but I've blamed moving trees before)
Nice, have fun!
Richard Burns Rally and Dirt Rally 2.0 are my all-time favorite games.
That's been my go to racing sim on my rig since assetto corsa hasn't been behaving with my wheel and I don't care enough to deal with it right now.
Rallysimfans mod makes the game fantastic. I tried dirt rally 2.0 again after playing RBR for a while and uninstalled it after realizing just how slippery and weird the cars are.
@@trulyinfamous yea I got the rallysimfans mod pack version as well. The sounds on the r5 cars are top notch.
6:03 Is it just me or does the 27 move way the hell over to block the car he's following? Maybe he lost control of his car but you see him move to the left, then over to the right. I mean the following car had to dip two tires in the dirt JUST to avoid him! I get what Jimmy is saying but how could the guy following possibly predict that 27 would dive to the other side of the track to keep them from passing? I think he's being a bit forgiving of the 27 car here, it's like he thinks 27 was driving in a straight line the entire time and OP crashed right into him for no reason, when there was no rhyme or reason to come way the hell over like that except to block someone who is faster than you. I agree that the guy should've slowed down a bit when he saw 27 driving erratically, but this is like 80% 27's fault. He stays on his line and none of this happens, but he didn't want to lose position so he dove to the other side to cut them off or run them off the road. The car OP was following got lucky that they had enough space to avoid them. I think OP should've let off the throttle a bit sure, but what 27 did was very much unexpected and...very ungentlemanly, we'll call it.
I am the guy who posted and yeh, I should’ve slowed down but cant lie i was a bit disappointed Jimmy went straight to the “you drive into the back of him” without really adding much about the car aheads erratic driving lmao
@@tunatastic3307 ::shrug:: yeah I just see it differently. We also need to account for this happening at full speed. This happens quite a bit with sports nowadays; we as fans see plays CSI style enhanced at 12 different angles and in slow motion and we go 'HOW DID THE REF NOT SEE THAT WHAT AN IDIOT'. I think keeping in mind this all happened in less than a second or so makes me a lot more understanding of how you reacted
I have a suspicion this series idea may have started off as kind of a meme but honestly I'm learning a lot in between the banter!
12:06 Based on the driving standards guideline for the real f1 this season, I think the AT might be at fault for this?
What the guidelines say:
"Guidelines for overtaking on the inside of a corner"
In order for a car being overtaken to be required to give sufficient room to an overtaking car, the overtaking car needs to have a significant portion of the car alongside the car being overtaken and the overtaking manoeuvre must be done in a safe and controlled manner, while enabling the car to clearly remain within the limits of the track.
When considering what is a ‘significant portion’ for an overtaking on the inside of a corner, among the various factors that will be looked at by the stewards when exercising their discretion, the stewards will consider if the overtaking car’s front tires are alongside the other car by no later than the apex of the corner.
It's the same as the Hamilton-Verstappen incident at copse
So basically, front tyres to rear tyres and you've gotta give room then basically. But yeah Copse incident that would say that Verstappen should have given room to Hamilton there.
@@alexisborden3191 Verstappen did give just enough room, Hamilton just understeered a bit
@@alexisborden3191 F1's gotten too toxic and polarized for rational thinking
@@mikulitsi1819 That is true aswell
Love these videos. Should be mandatory viewing for new sim racers. Seems like I'm still getting wrapped up in stupid incidents even in A license races. In fact, it almost seems worse.
that's cause no ammount of skill will prevent an intentional crash
people who race decently get high skill scores and then can't handle to find they are not the fastest in the whole world xD
@1:20 maybe he was swerving to avoid the ghost car, because he could see it but OP couldn’t? Still a bad move but maybe not a swipev
10:50 the two move rule applies only close to the braking zone. There is something to be said about weaving too frequently or aggressively, but breaking the tow is absolutely allowed on the straights. I might still call the Ferrari at fault, but only because his weaving was harsh, aggressive, and sudden, not because he is making too many defensive moves, as they aren't even close to the braking zone yet.
I really like your bojack painting/quote frame at the end. Really nice and entertaining video as always.
Merc alpha incident 12 mins in was in my league. Alpha had damage prior to the first move so should never had considered the move to begin with. Merc driver knew of damage so never thought the alpha would make the move and then second part of it was him thinking the alpha would had taken damage into consideration and slowed up and given room to him.
Last one was a compliment to all three drivers in that turn. Everyone aware of eachother and not cutting into eachother's turn
This is an excellent series and anyone looking to improve their racecraft should watch this (also it's just very entertaining lol)
I'm not entirely sure I agree with your assessment on the Indycar incident, though.
It looks like the car in front checks up quite a bit, and the car we're riding with gets caught out by it. That corner does seem like it's actually quite a loaded corner and obviously making significant adjustments to your line in a loaded corner can be pretty dodgy.
I think I'd hesitate to put the blame on the guy we ride with, and would really just call it an unfortunate racing incident.
These are my favourite videos from you. All the different games on show, a good chance for people to learn right and wrong, long May this series continue!
My favorite videos! Thanks Jimmer for such great content 💪
you should keep a tracker or tally of which "constructor" has the most at faults
In GT7 you cannot cut the pit entry line at Watkins Glen (unless the rule isn't in place)
Maybe one thing they got right, hah! All the other penalties could use some work.
This week at the Glen I've already seen many people with pit line infringements
@@R4M_Tommy yeah it's a long one haha. Will bear that in mind. Haven't got to spin the new dailies yet.
@@alexkulp9727 Watkins Glen actually have some of the fair pen in the game the track limit is actually the track limit it can be harsh at times but when you get penalty most of the time it's when you know you cutting or go off-track too much
Im thinking about buying GT7 with a steeringwheel is it good?
You should name it SRS (like Sim Racing Steward), add episode numbers and make separate playlist. Would be nice to watch them in a row :)
8:57 that is gospel. When I see a F1 livery on a USF2000, Miata, etc, I give them a wide berth so they just crash themself.
at 1M subs, can you please do a one hour version of this please Jimmer?
11:25 That's the Verstappen Lunge (TM).
1) Be alongside on the inside at the braking zone.
2) Brake late to stay alongside regardless of whether you can make the corner.
3) Clatter the apex.
4) Drive straight across the track to the outside of the corner on exit cutting off any possible line for the car on the outside.
It's legal. It's impossible to counter without contact. It's super effective.
(warning: may harm friendships)
Yeah you pretty much park it at the apex taking the corner extremely slowly,but you do get the position
I want to let you know that this video has calmed me down because it was a rough day for me. thanks for that
Same for me. I hope you're having a better day today. We're gonna make it through! :)
@@Changeproductions21 i wish you both better days every day! 👍
I disagree with the first Indycar clip. The guy trying to defend ahead just slows down and moved around so much and the driver in the pov was just trying to maintain pace. I also think the Merc in the baku clip was the overly-aggressive one since in the second turn he brakes much later, using the Alpha Tauri as a brake.
This has to be some of the best content you’ve ever made keep it up!!!
I love how the thumbnail is from thr E-NASCAR Pro Invitational Talladega race
7:50 Another option for pit entries is for a flag to be set in the game code when you cross that yellow pit entry line. If you go into the pits a penalty is applied for cutting the track: "tHey sAy yoU CUt The COUrSE" etc, etc. However, when you continue that flag is discarded/reset. The performance impact would be negligible, but it might be even less by doing it vice versa (ie. only when you don't cross the line is the flag set) and would mean that lapping the track never enters that code.
7:20 you know there's a problem when Gran Turismo 7 enforces the pit road commitment line rule and iRacing doesn't
I've been simracing for a year or so and what I've noticed most about a lot of guys, especially in rookie servers, is that most guys starting out spend about 90% of their energy trying to block you or get in front of you in the moment rather than realize that going way the hell out of your way just to get in front of someone causes you to take a corner way slower and get a slow exit than you would if you would just focus on taking the best line possible without driving like a dick. Public servers can be a real pain in the ass because you run into so many sore losers and jackasses who refuse to let you pass even when you're significantly faster than they are. The amount of times I just get rammed on RaceRoom is really frustrating.
Sometimes you just need to be ok with losing position if it means you'll be able to actually finish the race. I'll happily concede position to some fragile douchebag taking messy racing lines and thinks he's the second coming of Senna. I feel like so many guys would be 10 times better and would get much better results if they raced like that. No 'special' setups thinking it'll give you several seconds a lap, or thinking you need more expensive equipment to be better, just ACTUALLY finish a damn race, maybe even be ok with being a backmarker, as long as you're racing safely.
TLDR
Appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule for that
@@eamonahern7495 we get it you dropped out of middle school because you couldn't pass English class
@@scrambledmandible I was educated through the superior Irish education system. I have a level 8 certificate in computer aided engineering with finite element analysis from Munster Technological University. I just don't have the patience for over long youtube comments and idiotic judgemental replies from people like you.
@@eamonahern7495 TLDR
7:00 I'm not sure you took into consideration how the guy had been flinging the car around while defending from the other guy and made himself really unpredictable. Does that affect your opinion?
Yeah, I dont think he was ever getting past that car cleanly, that dude was going back and forth across the track like windshield wipers, even if he had gone outside that guy would have tried to move back left again, he actually was about to strafe left again but only stopped moving left because he saw the car behind not going left and was getting ready to swerve right again if need be. He was not letting that car pass him, the rear car could tell they were getting purposely blocked no matter what they did which is why they hesitated on their move which is why they crashed
@@Meta-Drew i was the guy in that video and I can confirm
well in that case then, just back off like he suggested.
Number one tip for new sim racers: Slow down in practice. If you’re flying off the track, spinning and making a lot of mistakes every single lap; you are not getting better.
Lift off early, hit the apex and nail the exit. Get the lap PERFECT at 50 - 70% pace and build up from there.
The most important thing is getting the laps in consistently.
Accept that you are not fast yet and that it will take time to get fast.
If you are making a lot of mistakes you are going too fast for your ability.
Racing is knowing the car so well that you don’t have to try, it should be easy and the only way you’ll get there is by slowing way down.
That’s a big lockup at 12:27 surprised he got any turn in at all
6:36 that conversation is exactly what happened to the 64 corvette at le mans. The two p2s were passing the vette, one moved toward the other, causing that one to move into the 64 and the corvette lost out
What are your thoughts on the incident?
@@tunatastic3307 the one who hit the vette couldve backed off, gotten behind the other p2, and tried to fight into the next chicane but made a decision that ended corvette’s race. Its on him but its still just a racing incident. The vette too couldve backed off more coming out of the daytona chicane.
12:33 yeah, if the Mercedes isn't in front of him in T1, he would've gone straight through and probably into the wall. That's his fault. He was behind at that point, so even though the Mercedes driver should've given room, the Alpha Tauri had no business being there. He was not taking the corner in a manner that would result in him ever keeping that position.
What’s the game name
What’s the game name
2:00 No, please Jimmer, honestly... keep your third eye locked up thank you very much...
I think at 9:50 he moved left before seeing the car, saw the car coming up on the left or realized they were on the racing line and tried to move right out of the way, while the white red bull also turned right. It's also tricky because it's a hill. They might not have seen the white red bull at all.
I knew nothing about racing etiquette/ rules before you started making these videos and by now I know at least a little bit! Thanks for explaining the situations and breaking them down like you do :)
If i'd had one tequila shot for every time he said "Sim" and "Stewards" In te intro, i would be put in a minute
10:50 i only accept people moving twice when it's obvious that they're braking the tow ie fluid movements, not swiping to the right and then going back after being straight for 100 metres
In Watkins Glen it’s rather annoying as with that Pit Entry as the racing line is on where he is. (Notice the two cars ahead of the guy coming in to pit) 7:15 also if that was NASCAR the car behind would have no indication if the car ahead is slowing down to pit unless the spotter or Crew Chief warns them the car ahead or someone ahead is slowing down to pit at Turn 9 (Final Corner) so maybe if the racing line wasn’t completely in the yellow boundaries of the entrance to pit road the racing line would be like the right side tires shouldn’t be over it. In saying that you will compromise your racing line exiting turn 9 tho as your coming in wider and because turn 9 (The final corner) leads onto the front stretch. So that is solely up to the racing series and the track owners
13:57 funnily enough last night I turned in at the first road doing the S-12 license in GT4 the first time around, it was not the right road, the chicane was the 2nd one, good to see I'm not the only person that's gone for the first road
I've watched like 12 of these today, and I've learned more about the rules of racing and etiquette and stewarding than I have watching various racing series this year. Thanks! And they're wildly entertaining!
11:22 was a divebomb into turn 1 so the Merc repaid him back with a divebomb...
Biggest problem with iRacing is dude who got super blocked gets just as much punishment as the guy that did the blocking.
1:43 Maybe that guy was lagging out, the guy in front saw him (maybe even blinking) and that's why he changed the line to the left.
One quote sums up most of this video. If you no longer go for a gap, that no longer exists, you no longer racing driver.
Jimmer, PLEASE don't stop this series. It's quality content and entertainment.
13:00 for this crash the Mercedes dived to the inside when he was turning whereas the t1 crash they were side by side entering it
@7:00 the yellow and blue car was weaving in the middle of the corner and being unpredictable af, in no world it would be the pov car's fault.
I think you judged that fairly well jimmer... i am to see how far you have come in sim racing. I see you everywhere and hear your commentary on audio on other events..
And all from playing video games.. thats amazing to think where we started, and where you are now.. GOD SPEED JIMMMER, GOD SPEED...
4:24 is a really tricky one for me, if the BMW had closed the door then IMO it would be the BMW's fault, however it looks like the beamer does leave enough space, JUST. But the Merc isn't precise enough and hits the BMW. I think it's a racing incident because there was room for the Merc, but the BMW should have been more sensible and made sure he leave-a-the space for him a little more.
purely on spatial awareness I agree with you
only thing else to consider is if there was some net code shifting in car positions
This incident was actually very similar to max and ham crash at Silverstone last year.
BMW turned in thinking other guy turned in too, but he didn't so you collect each other I agree with a racing incident.
This weeks installment of "Am I the main character..!?".
Cheers Jimmy for featuring our F1 clip (about 11 minutes). It's not always like this, I promise! This particular incident was a bit of a headache for our stewards but ultimately came to the same conclusion as you "oh fuckin hell... you're both being too aggressive".
when people end up the victim in incidents, it's always important to remember you are both just amateur racers in a game and mistakes happen and are allowed. neither of you is getting paid millions of money to drive perfectly each lap, you are both just trying to have fun in your limited spare time, and you can not expect the people you share the track with to drive perfect lines each lap. incidents are going to happen and usually without any malicious intent on either side. just forgive each other and both acknowledge you could have both given each other more space and move, because in at least 69% of incidents both parties are at least a little at fault considering none of us are pros. we're all just trying to have fun and in sin racing no damage really gets done, so don't get so mad at each other
✌️ peace
The regulations in gt7 for pit entry is to stay within the line upon entry or receive a time penalty and despite having no iracing experience I think it would be good if they did something like that 8:37
3:52 unexpected rick Allen is a welcomed surprise
"the vortex of danger" involved in so many of these crashes, you aren't alongside yet, you aren't going to make the pass before the apex, and there's nowhere for you to go but into the car you're trying to pass
These videos are genuinely helping me get better at racing. At least racing calmly and acknowledging when I'M the one making stupid mistakes. Still 2nd to last gang
14:49 moving under braking won't say that's legal, assuming that's Lap 1, I think the orange car is safe
Watch the front cars at the beginning of the indy cars at Monza
@10:58 I done that exact thing on LFM once. One defensive move off and 1 move back to brake the slipstream and no move after that however the driver behind did not like it and reported me so lfm felt the need to give me a penalty lol.
I agree about Baku, saw a similar situation the other day myself and was unlucky to get caught up in two others being intent on taking each other out.
Love this series and the actual thread itself. It's very supportive for people.
In NASCAR at the Glen they don’t really enforce that either. But there’s really never been a problem because the spotters are usually on top of it and the driver will signal with a hand out the window on the straightaway after the carousel as well as drive his car all the way to the left side of the track and back up before the next corner to make sure he gets the message across.
The iRacing pit issue could likely be fixed with a simple true or false (boolean) value. Essentially If Car Crosses the line on that lap set PitEntryCrossed to true if not it would be false. Have a check for that value at the start of the pitlane and if you entered the pitlane and crossed the line you would be warned/penalised. Have that value reset to false upon crossing the finish line or in cases where the line is weird, you could use the pit exit line.
Of course it may not be as simple as this. I don't work for iRacing and have never looked at their code
I appreciate the respectful commentary on the mistakes the drivers made in here. Not too much banter, this was quite educational and had quality feedback. Good video :)
the incident at 9:21 is exactly the same thing that happened between alonso and stroll at COTA 2022 ( yesterday)
Imma just start running a max verstappen livery just so I can drive like a noob and an asshole and get away with it
I'm always skipping all f1 game clips because it's all pure chaos without justification
As someone who regularly uses the subreddit, you get it with plenty of games, but yes f1 isn’t the best with it
5:45, the only thing maybe, is dark green can /try/ to give a little more space there, to avoid netcode deciding to murder them both :/? but yeah, definitely racing/netcode incident.
That Bojack print hits different
"Also, I'm recovering from a rather sweaty evening and any bloody Mary's sent my way are appreciated."
12:19 I mean... he's not wrong. If you did all that anywhere between 1 and 5 I think it could be said someone sees why... but at 7 and 8, just keep your car on the track. There's always time to gain places. ALWAYS TIME until you cross. I've p9 to p4+ in the last several hundred yards of a race for any number of reason. Keep your car on the road. Don't lose to yourself.
I learn so much from these videos. It’s actually a source of racing knowledge for me. Learning what NOT to do basically tells you what you’re supposed to do. 😅
When you have Nascar in the thumbnail but not in the actual video…
Mr Jimmy...some more Dirt Rally 2.0 vids please in which you go flat out
14:41 that’s a move you pull on AI and nothing else. When real players and ping gets involved that becomes far more dicey.
"that's legal but terrifying" is the best thing I've heard today
How did the Ferrari weaving on the straight think that was okay?
im ordering a g29 today for my birthday ... can't wait to play asseto corsa + japanese pack with my fav car the mx-5, this series is pretty informative on how to race wheel to wheel, thanks for it!
Lets get Jimbo to 1 million by the end of the year
reviewing incidents at 480p, make sure you set the quality of the clips to the higher setting as it will look better for the viewers. who would love to see the incident
Been watching your channel for ages and only just realised that outro track is Running in the 90's by Tsuko G transposed into a minor key with the tempo slowed down
Jimmer here’s some advice for the ovals: According Nascar themselves essentially unless it was 100% proven intentional (either admittedly or undoubtedly, i.e. going straight in a corner to wreck someone) then it’s a racing incident and you handle it by having a yelling match in the Iracing chat.
10:50 that first move was to break slipstream and the gap was not close enough to make a move behind yet. wrong judgement by you but still illegal swerving cause he moved just after the car on the straight…
4:42 - "Gentlemen, a short view back to the past..."
I think most people don't understand that sim racing isn't really a 'game', it's a sport in a gaming environment. When you're coming into sim racing from Need for Speed or something like that, those racing games reward massively aggressive driving, where crashing and trading paint is part and parcel of it.
You end up with a lot of newbies who don't understand you're not allowed to weave in front of the person behind you, cut people off in corners, not leave your opponents room.
In a racing game, if a move is going to force an opponent off track, so what? That's standard. In iRacing or something similar that's how you ruin an entire race.
Your intro... looks as if you are living my dream. I applaud you. Respect.
yessss, thank you Jimmy, this is the just kind of content i needed this morning ^^
I hope that Bojack Horseman picture means that you have seen the whole show. One of the best shows of all time and I think everyone should watch it
For the 7:09 clip. I could well be remembering it wrong, but I could have sworn you weren't allowed/supposed to cross the pit lane markings...
Love the stuff in the backround this time a cool poster keep it up Jimmer
Referencing your comments at around the 10 minute mark. iRacing was included with a 3 month trial as part of a Humblebundle along with some other racing games. With iRacing in particular, the 3 month membership had to be started by the beginning of June and as such, there could well be a number of novice racers until September.
Incident 1 @1:11 I concur. Technically you're ahead and technically you have a right to that line but it's not a move anyone would expect that late. Because he's technically correct, Racing Incident.
Incident 2 @2:05 I concur. Alpha Tauri divebombed the other two for no apparent reason. If he'd held back just a bit, the other two would have probably gotten terrible exits each, he might be able to get past the very next corner. Alpha Tauri at fault.
Incident 3 @3:22 I concur. No need to squeeze the Merc off at that point. You always need-a to leave-a the space. BMW at fault.
Incident 4 @4:53 I concur. Netcode fuckery at work. Racing Incident as a result.
Incident 5 @6:03 I don't entirely agree. The car that got hit clearly stepped out, the middle car reacted to that very quickly, kudos to them, and then the first car slightly overcorrected. Granted, I do agree that the contact was on the POV driver, but the car that got hit was behaving erratic enough that I say Racing Incident.
Incident 6 @7:11 I agree, the rule needs to be enforced. Stay entirely on the inside of the pit entry line if you want to enter the pits. If the rule wasn't being enforced, the rear car should know that pit entry is always a possibility. If that's the case, you can blame the rear car, but I say racing incident because of unclear regs.
Incident 7 @9:06 I agree on principle, if these were all experienced professional drivers you'd be entirely correct. But something tells me the slow car is an inexperienced guy making a stupid mistake, so I wouldn't be as harsh. Slow car still at fault, but it should be a coaching moment, not a punishment moment.
Incident 8 @10:35 I disagree. The Ferrari is just breaking tow. If they were closer to the braking zone, sure, you're right, but breaking tow is entirely permissible. The Merc should have been much more aware of DRS killing his downforce. Ferrari not at fault.
Incident 9 @11:13 I don't agree. The Merc has a monster lockup and turns into the AT like it's not there, even though he just overtook the guy with very little speed delta. Sure, the AT is making a complete dog's dinner of the corner, but the Merc should have left more space if just because of the monster lockup making him carry much more speed, take a wide apex, and finish the overtake into either T2 or T3. It's still a racing incident, but if I was forced to choose, I'd say the Merc was at fault, not the AT. The Turn 3 incident is just both being angry at each other due to T1.
Incident 10 @13:23 Maybe? The Spongebob car may just be giving the impression of turning in due to contact, not enough camera angles to show. Racing incident is the best way to put it.
Incident 11 @14:38 100% legal, yes. Completely agreed. But you know what they say: If it's a stupid idea, but it works, it's not stupid.
The last one reminds me of a Suzuka race on acc I was in not long ago. P1 and p2(me) were approaching a back marker going into t12 and we ended up running 3 wide through t12 and scared tf out of the back marker but everyone made it through the corner with no contact was just a very crazy moment
You really earned your place, man. A admire the work and knowledge.
7:12 "Hairpin right. Move out of the fuckin wae ya fuckin bollocks" hahahahaha
Disagree with the verdict @5:55. The lead car was acting too defensively to try to block the cars behind. You can see the lead car take the turn normally, then turn wide, and then close the gap by turning sharp. At which point car #2 made their move but the lead car had bled enough speed to make the Cam car (#3) run into the back of them.