Strange to say it but OCS was one of the best times of my life. Great path to a Commission. Good luck to everyone who chooses to take the leap. Read A Sea Story for the gouge on the experience before you go. And don't D.O.R.!
I just graduated from OCS, all I can say is this presentation is truly accurate to my experience there. Just a few things I’d like to add on: 1) Don’t just practice the PRT exercises over and over again to prepare. Do leg lifts, burpies, running planks, and others on the Navy’s list WITH PROPER FORM. I’ve seen real fit candidates roll for bad form, and I rolled myself for improper push-ups on the IST. That leads me into the next point… 2) H Class is not a bad place to be; it might even be a blessing in disguise. You learn a lot down there, and those that make it through typically make the best CandiO’s. But just like its said here, don’t get comfortable and get stuck in H! 3) 13th week is your fun/out-processing week. You’ll do your class trip, staff-student challenge, orders/medical pick up, and lots of graduation practice. Enjoy it, but don’t get too complacent w/ procedures!
Congratulations on ur commission In all honesty I’m a little worried about IST/PRT and inspections I know you get rolled into H class but I have also read that if you fail the event after 3 weeks in H class, you may get dis enrolled So do they keep u in H class or separate ? Apologies for being a bit anxious
@@emmanuelcoronado8567 Thanks! I am an SNA, now waiting and finding something to do while in A-Pool. It took me about a year before I got accepted into OCS. About 8 months to do testing, paperwork, and MEPS before submitting my package. Afterwards, about 4-5 months before I was ordered to go to Newport.
@@mawas6801 Thanks! When it comes to the PRT, focus on getting good form down and knowing your minimums for those events based on your age bracket. For inspections, attention to detail is key, and if you feel like you’re lacking in an area, seek out your classmates for help (trust me, you will definitely need it). And don’t worry about getting into H; I learned its best to focus on passing the event than worrying about rolling!! Nevertheless, its pretty rare to see people fail an event twice. They’ll stay in H, but will likely be sent to a review board due to that repeated failure.
@@RegaDega thanks for responding Yes I heard the review board as well Which makes the decision. Not sure if it’s normal but the fear of being kicked out overwhelms so much I have running for 4 months and barely met the bare minimum once or twice and now am being shipped.
I got off Active Duty last year at the end of my 4-year contract. Honestly I thought I would never go back in, but after learning that I’m on track to earn my degree much earlier than expected, AND that my time served grants me an age waiver, OCS is now my goal. Thank you for this information. It has eased my mind quite a bit.
Thank you for the information! I am currently serving in the USMC and planning on leaving after 12 years of service, earning my bachelor's and joining the Navy as an officer!
As an enlisted petty officer, I am a candidate for the Naval Academy, if that falls out I plan on applying for STA-21 unless I get my degree in the next few years then apply for OCS unless I make LDO but great video and thank you for making this sir!
Wow...came across this vid by accident...reminds me of a long ago lost dream. Recent college graduate, 100 hours flight time, Private Pilots Certificate, excellent physical conditioning, excellent grades, excellent eyesight, a huge love of my country, etc. A former girlfriend in San Diego who loved the movie "An Officer and a gentleman" decided to get on my team with an "Oops I forgot my pills" excuse and as they say, "That's all she wrote." Still hurts all these years later...LOL LOL LOL Oh well. Did become the father to a great now 36 year old daughter. Thanks for reading.
@@daniellindsay5039 I understand now that in one area I was not officer material. I did not understand the great, great importance of Christian morality. But like I said, it all worked out and I have lived a good life.
@@daniellindsay5039 God has such a sense of humor. I am retired now and live across the street from where the Blue Angels practice in the winter time. OH THE PAIN!!! LOL LOL LOL Have a nice evening.
good gouge ... went through one of the last Navy OCS classes in Pensacola during the summer; fondly remember the SUYA. 20 years later - now retired from active duty ... fun times.
Still... AOCS at NAS Pensacola ✈ was unique and distinct when it was separate from today's "general" OCS. You can ask this to any old timers, they will all agree 👍
Very well presented. One point. I know services are acronym rich. However, “spell out” acronyms first time you use - “here’s what this means”. Just helps in clarity. Great job!
There are reasons I do this. One of the main ones is because going through the processes of becoming an officer, whoever has watched this will probably have a "oh, that's what he was talking about" moment. The other is that I dont know how much info, if any, or how specific Im allowed to get with these types of subjects. So, keeping things in acronyms is more of a CYA type of deal for me so that Im not shown as giving too much advice.
Very informative video. A few questions regarding OCS: 1) Is there a swim qual? 2) Is there a weapons (rifle/pistol) qual? 3) Do you go on humps? If so, how often? 4) Are there o-courses to complete? If so, how often do you do them? 5) Do you get liberty while in OCS? 6) Is there a need to be familiar with tying knots? Thanks!
1. (Swim Qual) Yes, but you do not have to pass it. 2. (Pistol Qual)Yes, but you do not have to pass it. 3. (Humps)Nope 4. (O-Course)Nope 5. (Liberty)You do, but it is only during the last three weekends. 6. (Knots)Nope
I’m looking into OCS in the next few months. My one question is, how important is college GPA? Life happened, my grades sunk a bit and I’m worried that will affect me being accepted.
Depends on what you’re going for. I went in with a 3.14 and had no issues. Plus manning is down so they’re going to take all the bodies they can get. I wouldn’t worry too hard about it. Submit the package and see what they say.
You can go straight to OCS after graduating college and become an active duty officer. No need to do the enlisted side of things or become a reservist unless you want to.
I'm currently a freshmen in college, and I'm trying to figure out if I can chose my job field instead of being assigned. I don't want my flight time and degree to be a waste.
Applying to an Officer field is just that; an application. Your degree is mandatory to be able to submit an application to any Officer field, your flight time will make you competitive in the aviation field; Pilot or Flight Officer. Some communities you can apply as early as your second semester sophomore year (engineering types). Most have to be within 12 months of graduation. In the Navy, and I can only speak for the Navy, you'll apply to an Officer community, up to five communities on a single application, that you are eligible for and interested in. If all five say yes, it's up to you. If only one says yes, pretty easy. If all of the communities say no, there is no obligation. You can resubmit at the next application window, or not. It's totally up to you. Once you are selected for a community, Pilot for instance, that is your job. The professional recommendation that comes back means the US Navy has a seat reserved for you in Officer Training and Flight School; barring any extenuating circumstances. Officers can transfer communities later, but it is easier to do once you have a little time and have your qualification device. Hope this helps.
Really great recap vid of Naval OCS. I commissioned with both the Air Force (pilot) and the Navy (pilot), and was picked-up by the Air Force’s national board first back in December 2019. Currently awaiting my orders to ship-out to [Air Force’s] Officer Training School (OTS) at Maxwell AFB. I‘ll honestly say that commissioning with the Navy (ASTB-E - and all) was much more straightforward than with the Air Force. It was also much smoother and quicker.
@FaithByFlight, I submitted my commissioning package first with the USAF, and was picked up first, as well. You go with the first board that picks you up if duo commissioning. I did appreciate how quick, clear cut, and seamless the USN process was though.
@FaithByFlight, another critical point to discuss, perhaps in a future video, are the important differences in the professional tracks and the varied nuances between rated (combat pilot) officers of both branches; Naval aviators v. USAF pilots. Both fly combat fighters, so why one over the other? One is born out of air supremacy; and the other, from naval dominance. It will be good to break down and discuss how the Air Force and Navy views its pilots and aviators as rated officers in light of professional career tracks. They are not the same.
How did you commission with both services? Did you transfer as an Officer from the Navy to the Air Force? As far as I know it is not possible to commission with two services at the same time. You can put in packets to each service/speak to recruiters, but commissioning doesnt happen until completion of OCS/OTS. As far as comparisons go, I dont know how the Air Force operates it's pilot training or overseas mission. If there are other people you could direct me to that would be willing to discuss differences in training, I would be more than happy to have that discussion. I cant speak in detail on how the Navy operates it's pilots in regards to overseas missions because I have not experienced it yet and feel unqualified to do so. Once I reach that point, I will gladly discuss what I am allowed.
Depends on your college grades and how your time was as an enlisted member. We had two Green-side Corpsmen in my OCS class that both got slots and are actually in the advanced jet syllabus currently. We had two prior Marines as well that ended up getting pilot slots, but went helos (1 out of choice, the other based on grades).
@@cw5894 Study Appendix Bravo for RLP and that your in good physical shape. The more studying you can do for the Appendixs the better you'll be for RLP. Alot of ppl roll from that event alone and injuries throughoutthe program. Everything else gets easier after that. While your there stretch everything out after each day. If you can get everything down and still need stuff to study, I would highly advise looking at Appendix C which is ships, aircraft, weapons and etc. PS: Please try to hit a good medium before leaving, I've seen quite a few great candidates get rolled or injured and some having to get attrited because of injuries alone.
@@FaithByFlight My recruiter’s seeing if he can get me into an earlier class, so I don’t have to combat the cold in addition to all the other OCS activities haha!
I can understand curriculum and B,C,D courses. I'll do my own best. I appreciate kindly explanation. I want to study Navigational leadership and new frigate engineering knowledge. Yes,Sir. Anchor a weigh 🎶
Thanks for the video! Q: How hard is the DIVO test? No H class if failing the DIVO? and will there be alot of physical training involved in the SOC phase while studying? Thanks very much.
Thanks for the video. Got any brief tips for what you did to prepare physically before leaving? Been working on it, but not sure if it’ll be enough in time
I didnt do as much as I should have, but here is what I do currently to keep my numbers up. Do pushups and situps. After this next PT cycle (July) itll swap to planks. Do at least 4 sets of pushups and situps a day. Whatever your current max is, say 60, do 35-40 a set. I usually take 15-20 off my max and do that for sets that way when I get to the point where I want to rest in the up position, I'm further ahead each time I try. Do some running to get your mile and a half time down. Try to run at least 6 miles a week. Whether that's two 3 mile sessions or 4 1.5 mile sessions is up to you. Try to incorporate some HIIT training where youre doing constant exercise for 15-20 minutes at least once a week or once every other week. When doing the actual PRT, do 35-40 pushups, rest in the UP position for 3-5 seconds, then do another 3-5 pushups. Keep doing that until you reach your max. It's a lot easier than blasting out 60-70 pushups in a row. If you can, more props to you. Same concept with the situps, but go to 50 or 60 and then blast out 10 at a time. Bump up reps by 5 every two-three weeks. When I got there, I barely passed the initial PRT cause I just didn't come prepared. But, I did "prison workouts" in my room before bed and got to where I could pass it no problem on the other one's we did. If you are not prepared, ask to wait another 3 weeks to get in. It's better to show up in shape rather than going to H-Class cause you neglected to get in shape beforehand.
FaithByFlight I’ll keep those tips in mind. That’s a good idea with the pushups, I can’t crank out 60 in a row unfortunately haha. I’m looking forward to the planks too. Thanks for paying it forward with all this information, in comments and the videos
Terrible answer, but it depends. If you are willing and able to redesignate, you will probably be redesignated, but the contract will be significantly shorter. If you are further along in the pipeline and fail out of a certain area (advanced or the FRS) there is a possibility to be redesignated to a different platform. But it is HIGHLY situational. Best quote I've heard "Someone dumber and weaker has made it through the same program." If others can do it, you can too. If youre already set on failing, you will not succeed.
When I went to OCS, early 70's, we had no idea waht was about to happen after the 12 week bridge ride. SURPRISE we were meet by Marine DI'S -- What a damn shock that was.
My Son Shipped out to OCS Friday September 24th . Yesterday October 1st was first Friday for him . Appreciate your video . Very informative. My Son got a Pilot Slot so He wants Naval Aviation bad . Thanks again
Marine Corps Boot Camp Jan 1970, Viet Nam June 1970.Navy Aviation Officer Candidate school 1980. There was No H class. And no equivalent either. All of my AOCS classmates with prior service enlisted and most with advanced science and engineering degrees and one guy who was an Army enlisted pilot with air medals all ready. You failed a test, you were gone. My greatest fear was boxing class, I was a terrible boxer. The instructors fixed that. They let my opponent beat the crap out of me, and then that was all over.
By the time I retired, using NVG, GPS, FLIR, precision munitions, current jets no faster then then, some even slower, and stealth was actively being used by the AF. And we had over 500 ships in the Navy.
Informative Question though 5:36 you talk about H class when someone fails an event. You said either you improve and move up or stay there. What I have read or heard is that once u don’t pass ur event e.g. PRT ,RLP after the 3 weeks of H class You may be disenrolled from OCS.?
That is a possibility. The ones that got attrited from the program did not improve once they got to H class or DOR'd (drop on request). It is kind of subjective as to whether or not someone stays or goes from what those in my class said.
If you fail too many events you go to review board but you need to really be in bad shape physically to fail events. If you can hit a good medium with proper form on the PRT comfortably, it shouldn't be a problem.
When did they get rid of the high ropes? On one hand, I had a childhood nightmare about eternally falling after stepping between two stairs following a visit to my dead grandfather in heaven. On the other hand, the ropes course at a nearby mall looks pretty fun and it may look somewhat appealing.
@@aycc-nbh7289 I know for sure the Marine DI's are worse than a ropes course. Cause a ropes course, you go through it, youre done. Marine DI's are always around ready to wreck your world.
FaithByFlight Even after OCS? Would one ever give me an order to do PT at his place (or wherever he is stationed) after my commissioning? (Probably not, but the fear of not living up to his standards could still linger.) And have there ever been any cases of “Sgt. Hulka”-like events, where the DI was made to do the course himself in front of his company?
@@aycc-nbh7289 That would not happen. After completing OCS, you will have minimal contact with enlisted until reaching the fleet. Marine DI's dont have any control over you after you leave Newport, RI. You will never have to push again for making a mistake.
Good video, quick question, do you know the requirement is for ocs right now? Like GPA requirement from college and stuff like that! Please let me know
I dont know the specific requirement. I had a 3.1 going in, but also 600+ hours of flight time. Im sure if youre over 3.0 then youll be fine. I know we had a guy with a 2.8 in our class.
2.5 from what iM SEEING im trying to go enlisted and then OCS, but heard its going to be Hard with school and enlisted work but My situation is causing me to hurry go test and hopefully leave soon
When I went to OCS in Pensacola, I failed the in-PRT even though I passed it for my recruiter. The difference was that at OCS, we preceded the in-PRT with twenty jumping jacks and over 5 minutes of stretches, which sapped me of my arm strength. I passed the sit-ups and run but failed the push-ups. I was held back, but I joined the next class and stuck with it to the end.
Thanks for the quick response. Also, is the initial strength test everyone is talking about just the normal PRT? What scores do I have to get to not get rolled? Was a lineman in college and just had surgery and am supposed to go late august but recruiter only wants to push to September. I hit good-low on prt right now but am still pretty heavy. 245ish.
Hey i have a question 1) do you pick your job prior to OCS? 2 )How do you know if you got the job? Will the officer recruiter tells you? 3) kinda similar with 1 do you apply for the job you want with a officer recruiter? Thanks for your time :>
1) Yes, you pick what you want before you go in. If you dont see the appropriate designator, dont sign the paper. 2) You know when you sign the paper. 3) Theres really no application other than putting in an officer package. The package consists of grades, letters of recommendation, MEPS medical info and ASTB scores.
@@deuz9849 You will go to your recruiter and say what you want to do (become a pilot I presume). They will start to put together a package. You will have to go to MEPS and do the ASTB-E to be qualified to become a Student Naval Aviator (SNA). Upon graduating OCS, granted you do not med out of SNA at OCS, you will be designated an SNA and proceed to go through API and then Primary.
You know you made my day i've been lookin for answers and you YES YOUUUUU damn bro THANK YOU Btw i subscribed! Keep it up i'm gonna watch your future vids!
Nope. Women are treated the same as men in regards to mental/attitude evaluation during OCS. Physical standards are different though. From what I saw, women were under the same scrutiny as men the entire time. Get your grip and shoulder strength up for drill. The women tended to have a harder time gripping the rifle and holding it out for long periods of time.
@@crystalh5342 From what I've heard recently, the Academy is testing the planks, but they will be coming to a PT Test near you. I'd get your planks and situps good just to be safe.
There’s some practice days leading up to it that you can take advantage of. Otherwise you’re just put into testing day. Doesn’t matter if you fail because you will get your official qual when you reach your final destination.
@@FaithByFlight oh right on. I am going to the ENLISTED route first and I might go to OCS. I am just sick and tired of being in my home town for 24 years and ready to move on.
It’s easier. And harder. As a civilian you go in with a clean slate. As an enlisted sailor you need to have all of your service record squared away (awards, PRT scores, ribbons/medals, etc.) make sure it’s tight. Find a smart YNC to help you review your record. Best of luck!
is it true that if I only put aviation down as what I want to do after ocs, and if I fail ocs or flight school then I'm just dropped and I'm not obligated to do anything else?
If you have aviation down as your option for OCS, if you do not make it through OCS, you do not have any commitment. If you make it through OCS and continue into flight school and fail out there, you will more than likely be redesignated and placed in as a SWO or Supply Officer. Best bet is to not fail OCS (very difficult to do anyways) and dont fail out of API (still difficult to fail). Worst thing that can happen is once you get to flight school you dont pass anything, which honestly takes a miracle unless you legit lose all motivation to get through it, and get redesignated. Or your NSS is super low and you go Helos
Another question: any specific type of person I should pick for my references for ocs? I have two past actual managers and I could pick another manager from a school position I had but I wasn’t sure if her young age or the fact that she was a student also would hurt credibility in some kind. If I picked an assistant manager from the same location as another reference would that not be as good a pick either?
@@chrisjohnson1416 You want someone who knows a lot about you that isnt a relative or a close friend. Managers that are around the same age as you may not bode well, but I'd give it a shot. If she can speak about your work ethic and abilities then it shouldnt be an issue. I would try to find someone that is a mentor and definitely get a recommendation from the Dean of your school. They typically have you write out things about yourself and they will put it into their own words if they dont know you all that well.
Push verb (poosh) 1. 2-10 minutes of extra military instruction with your favorite DI after failing a task, embarrassing yourself, or simply being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. A push consists of any exercise deemed fit by the DI of choice (pushups, situps, burpees, jumping jacks (side straddle hops), etc.
I was commissioned through OCS in 1972. Since I was almost certainly to be drafted as soon as I graduated college I opted to go navy and two weeks after I graduated, I was at Newport. It was one of the best decisions of my life. I served as a Surface Warfare Officer and attained the rank of LCDR. OCS was 19 weeks when I went through. It was not easy but anyone who is determined should have no problems. You do need to study (at least I did) and I spent more than one weekend hitting the books. It is apparent watching this video that there are a lot of new wrinkles and training methods (we certainly did not have Power Point) so I will not opine on what one should or should not expect other than not to expect it to be easy. But I certainly believe it will be rewarding for many young men and women. I did see the world that is for sure.
I was wondering what your thoughts are on the selection board for OCS (Pilot Option). It’s my first time submitting my application for the current cycle that just convened this week, was just wondering if you were selected first time up, and any lessons learned if any. Also what’s the turn around time from the board convening, to results being posted, to receipt of orders and ship out date?
It all depends on your ASTB-E score. If you're an "auto-select" or "green-lighted" then youwill tend to get picked up quicker than others. I went through 4 boards before I got picked up. The results are posted within 24-48hrs after the board convenes. The NRD will get the list before your recruiter. I knew the day after the board met that I got in and when I would be going to OCS. I waited for just over a month to ship out. Made the last March board and shipped in May. Really not any lessons to learn from it. Just sit and wait until your name gets called. And by sit and wait, I mean workout and study your Bravo knowledge.
Strange to say it but OCS was one of the best times of my life. Great path to a Commission. Good luck to everyone who chooses to take the leap. Read A Sea Story for the gouge on the experience before you go. And don't D.O.R.!
I just graduated from OCS, all I can say is this presentation is truly accurate to my experience there. Just a few things I’d like to add on:
1) Don’t just practice the PRT exercises over and over again to prepare. Do leg lifts, burpies, running planks, and others on the Navy’s list WITH PROPER FORM. I’ve seen real fit candidates roll for bad form, and I rolled myself for improper push-ups on the IST. That leads me into the next point…
2) H Class is not a bad place to be; it might even be a blessing in disguise. You learn a lot down there, and those that make it through typically make the best CandiO’s. But just like its said here, don’t get comfortable and get stuck in H!
3) 13th week is your fun/out-processing week. You’ll do your class trip, staff-student challenge, orders/medical pick up, and lots of graduation practice. Enjoy it, but don’t get too complacent w/ procedures!
Hey man congratulations! How long did you wait from submitting your application to a recruiter to ocs. Are you an SNA?
Congratulations on ur commission
In all honesty
I’m a little worried about IST/PRT and inspections
I know you get rolled into H class but I have also read that if you fail the event after 3 weeks in H class, you may get dis enrolled
So do they keep u in H class or separate ?
Apologies for being a bit anxious
@@emmanuelcoronado8567 Thanks! I am an SNA, now waiting and finding something to do while in A-Pool. It took me about a year before I got accepted into OCS. About 8 months to do testing, paperwork, and MEPS before submitting my package. Afterwards, about 4-5 months before I was ordered to go to Newport.
@@mawas6801 Thanks!
When it comes to the PRT, focus on getting good form down and knowing your minimums for those events based on your age bracket.
For inspections, attention to detail is key, and if you feel like you’re lacking in an area, seek out your classmates for help (trust me, you will definitely need it).
And don’t worry about getting into H; I learned its best to focus on passing the event than worrying about rolling!! Nevertheless, its pretty rare to see people fail an event twice. They’ll stay in H, but will likely be sent to a review board due to that repeated failure.
@@RegaDega thanks for responding
Yes I heard the review board as well
Which makes the decision.
Not sure if it’s normal but
the fear of being kicked out overwhelms so much
I have running for 4 months and barely met the bare minimum once or twice and now am being shipped.
I got off Active Duty last year at the end of my 4-year contract. Honestly I thought I would never go back in, but after learning that I’m on track to earn my degree much earlier than expected, AND that my time served grants me an age waiver, OCS is now my goal. Thank you for this information. It has eased my mind quite a bit.
Thank you for the information! I am currently serving in the USMC and planning on leaving after 12 years of service, earning my bachelor's and joining the Navy as an officer!
Good stuff man! Good luck to you as well
As an enlisted petty officer, I am a candidate for the Naval Academy, if that falls out I plan on applying for STA-21 unless I get my degree in the next few years then apply for OCS unless I make LDO but great video and thank you for making this sir!
No problem! Good luck to you
Wow...came across this vid by accident...reminds me of a long ago lost dream. Recent college graduate, 100 hours flight time, Private Pilots Certificate, excellent physical conditioning, excellent grades, excellent eyesight, a huge love of my country, etc. A former girlfriend in San Diego who loved the movie "An Officer and a gentleman" decided to get on my team with an "Oops I forgot my pills" excuse and as they say, "That's all she wrote." Still hurts all these years later...LOL LOL LOL Oh well. Did become the father to a great now 36 year old daughter. Thanks for reading.
Wow, they got you out?
@@daniellindsay5039 kept me from going in
@@daniellindsay5039 I understand now that in one area I was not officer material. I did not understand the great, great importance of Christian morality. But like I said, it all worked out and I have lived a good life.
@@goodtalker Amen
@@daniellindsay5039 God has such a sense of humor. I am retired now and live across the street from where the Blue Angels practice in the winter time. OH THE PAIN!!! LOL LOL LOL Have a nice evening.
good gouge ... went through one of the last Navy OCS classes in Pensacola during the summer; fondly remember the SUYA. 20 years later - now retired from active duty ... fun times.
Still... AOCS at NAS Pensacola ✈ was unique and distinct when it was separate from today's "general" OCS. You can ask this to any old timers, they will all agree 👍
what is AOCS if you dont mind my asking? Is that Aviation OCS?
Thank you so much, this is a great video!
Get to be called supercandio on week 13 LOL
Very well presented. One point. I know services are acronym rich. However, “spell out” acronyms first time you use - “here’s what this means”. Just helps in clarity. Great job!
There are reasons I do this. One of the main ones is because going through the processes of becoming an officer, whoever has watched this will probably have a "oh, that's what he was talking about" moment. The other is that I dont know how much info, if any, or how specific Im allowed to get with these types of subjects. So, keeping things in acronyms is more of a CYA type of deal for me so that Im not shown as giving too much advice.
Very informative video. A few questions regarding OCS:
1) Is there a swim qual?
2) Is there a weapons (rifle/pistol) qual?
3) Do you go on humps? If so, how often?
4) Are there o-courses to complete? If so, how often do you do them?
5) Do you get liberty while in OCS?
6) Is there a need to be familiar with tying knots?
Thanks!
1. (Swim Qual) Yes, but you do not have to pass it.
2. (Pistol Qual)Yes, but you do not have to pass it.
3. (Humps)Nope
4. (O-Course)Nope
5. (Liberty)You do, but it is only during the last three weekends.
6. (Knots)Nope
@@FaithByFlight Thanks for the quick and detailed response! It's very helpful.
I’m looking into OCS in the next few months. My one question is, how important is college GPA? Life happened, my grades sunk a bit and I’m worried that will affect me being accepted.
Depends on what you’re going for. I went in with a 3.14 and had no issues. Plus manning is down so they’re going to take all the bodies they can get. I wouldn’t worry too hard about it. Submit the package and see what they say.
Could I enter OCS as a civilian who graduated from college, finish all the enlisted ranks, or do I have to be in reserves?
You can go straight to OCS after graduating college and become an active duty officer. No need to do the enlisted side of things or become a reservist unless you want to.
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I'm currently a freshmen in college, and I'm trying to figure out if I can chose my job field instead of being assigned. I don't want my flight time and degree to be a waste.
You will be able to select pilot if you already have prior time. Just tell the recruiter that you only want to go in as a pilot.
Applying to an Officer field is just that; an application. Your degree is mandatory to be able to submit an application to any Officer field, your flight time will make you competitive in the aviation field; Pilot or Flight Officer. Some communities you can apply as early as your second semester sophomore year (engineering types). Most have to be within 12 months of graduation. In the Navy, and I can only speak for the Navy, you'll apply to an Officer community, up to five communities on a single application, that you are eligible for and interested in. If all five say yes, it's up to you. If only one says yes, pretty easy. If all of the communities say no, there is no obligation. You can resubmit at the next application window, or not. It's totally up to you.
Once you are selected for a community, Pilot for instance, that is your job. The professional recommendation that comes back means the US Navy has a seat reserved for you in Officer Training and Flight School; barring any extenuating circumstances.
Officers can transfer communities later, but it is easier to do once you have a little time and have your qualification device. Hope this helps.
Just got my pro-rec and should be heading out in a few months. Thanks for all the info
Nice man! Congrats and my pleasure
Really great recap vid of Naval OCS.
I commissioned with both the Air Force (pilot) and the Navy (pilot), and was picked-up by the Air Force’s national board first back in December 2019.
Currently awaiting my orders to ship-out to [Air Force’s] Officer Training School (OTS) at Maxwell AFB.
I‘ll honestly say that commissioning with the Navy (ASTB-E - and all) was much more straightforward than with the Air Force. It was also much smoother and quicker.
Fly Navy!
@FaithByFlight, I submitted my commissioning package first with the USAF, and was picked up first, as well. You go with the first board that picks you up if duo commissioning.
I did appreciate how quick, clear cut, and seamless the USN process was though.
@FaithByFlight, another critical point to discuss, perhaps in a future video, are the important differences in the professional tracks and the varied nuances between rated (combat pilot) officers of both branches; Naval aviators v. USAF pilots.
Both fly combat fighters, so why one over the other? One is born out of air supremacy; and the other, from naval dominance.
It will be good to break down and discuss how the Air Force and Navy views its pilots and aviators as rated officers in light of professional career tracks. They are not the same.
@@KhoaNguyen.08 FLY NAVY!
How did you commission with both services? Did you transfer as an Officer from the Navy to the Air Force? As far as I know it is not possible to commission with two services at the same time. You can put in packets to each service/speak to recruiters, but commissioning doesnt happen until completion of OCS/OTS.
As far as comparisons go, I dont know how the Air Force operates it's pilot training or overseas mission. If there are other people you could direct me to that would be willing to discuss differences in training, I would be more than happy to have that discussion. I cant speak in detail on how the Navy operates it's pilots in regards to overseas missions because I have not experienced it yet and feel unqualified to do so. Once I reach that point, I will gladly discuss what I am allowed.
Do you take the ASTB during OCS?
Before you go to OCS. It’s a part of the package you’ll send in prior to selection.
going to graduate this December with Mechanical Engineering Degree. GPA 3.35 already go pre screened for NUPOC (Surface/Sub). Need advice.
What are the chances getting accepted for a flight contract for OCS and I’m enlisted already (marines)
Depends on your college grades and how your time was as an enlisted member. We had two Green-side Corpsmen in my OCS class that both got slots and are actually in the advanced jet syllabus currently.
We had two prior Marines as well that ended up getting pilot slots, but went helos (1 out of choice, the other based on grades).
Thanks for this..this is the video I been looking for
Just like Great Lakes
Jan 23rd 2022 I leave for OCS. Thank you for this guide and already working on my Bravo knowledge. Much appreciated
Good luck, message back with an update when your done
@@cw5894 update: finished OCS and OHARPing till I check into Pensacola.
@@chrisbomb35 nice! Congrats! Any updated tips? I leave in August
@@cw5894 Study Appendix Bravo for RLP and that your in good physical shape. The more studying you can do for the Appendixs the better you'll be for RLP. Alot of ppl roll from that event alone and injuries throughoutthe program. Everything else gets easier after that. While your there stretch everything out after each day. If you can get everything down and still need stuff to study, I would highly advise looking at Appendix C which is ships, aircraft, weapons and etc.
PS: Please try to hit a good medium before leaving, I've seen quite a few great candidates get rolled or injured and some having to get attrited because of injuries alone.
I like being a naval officer and not the officer of the Army or Air Force because the Navy had the coolest uniforms, blues, whites, khakis and greens.
Just got accepted yesterday to be an SNA, going to class 02JAN2022. Saying i’m excited is an understatement!!
LETS GOOOOOO!!! Congrats man! Good luck in those frigid temps
@@FaithByFlight My recruiter’s seeing if he can get me into an earlier class, so I don’t have to combat the cold in addition to all the other OCS activities haha!
I leave tomorrow for RI, thanks for the info, it made me feel a bit more confident
How was it?
I can understand curriculum and B,C,D courses.
I'll do my own best.
I appreciate kindly explanation.
I want to study Navigational leadership and new frigate engineering knowledge.
Yes,Sir. Anchor a weigh 🎶
Great summary of information!
Thank you for making this for future officer candidates
No problem. Thanks for watching
Do they still do sit-ups? I’ve heard now that they do planks instead of the sit-ups?
That is correct. It is all planks now, no more situps.
Thanks for the video! Q: How hard is the DIVO test? No H class if failing the DIVO? and will there be alot of physical training involved in the SOC phase while studying? Thanks very much.
The tests arent terribly hard. You get a second chance if needed. There is the same amount of physical training throughout the entire program.
@@FaithByFlight thank you very much
can you join the ocs if you went to college in a different country?
and by the way this video was very helpful thanks
Have to be an American citizen. Doesn't matter if you went to college abroad. Just need to provide paperwork for your whereabouts.
Thanks for the video. Got any brief tips for what you did to prepare physically before leaving? Been working on it, but not sure if it’ll be enough in time
I didnt do as much as I should have, but here is what I do currently to keep my numbers up.
Do pushups and situps. After this next PT cycle (July) itll swap to planks. Do at least 4 sets of pushups and situps a day. Whatever your current max is, say 60, do 35-40 a set. I usually take 15-20 off my max and do that for sets that way when I get to the point where I want to rest in the up position, I'm further ahead each time I try. Do some running to get your mile and a half time down. Try to run at least 6 miles a week. Whether that's two 3 mile sessions or 4 1.5 mile sessions is up to you.
Try to incorporate some HIIT training where youre doing constant exercise for 15-20 minutes at least once a week or once every other week.
When doing the actual PRT, do 35-40 pushups, rest in the UP position for 3-5 seconds, then do another 3-5 pushups. Keep doing that until you reach your max. It's a lot easier than blasting out 60-70 pushups in a row. If you can, more props to you.
Same concept with the situps, but go to 50 or 60 and then blast out 10 at a time.
Bump up reps by 5 every two-three weeks.
When I got there, I barely passed the initial PRT cause I just didn't come prepared. But, I did "prison workouts" in my room before bed and got to where I could pass it no problem on the other one's we did.
If you are not prepared, ask to wait another 3 weeks to get in. It's better to show up in shape rather than going to H-Class cause you neglected to get in shape beforehand.
FaithByFlight I’ll keep those tips in mind. That’s a good idea with the pushups, I can’t crank out 60 in a row unfortunately haha. I’m looking forward to the planks too. Thanks for paying it forward with all this information, in comments and the videos
@@Megatron118x No problem. Just here to help those coming in behind me.
Thanks for the Upload. Looking to go soon. What is OCR?
Where can I find Bravo material or Index B as well as OCR study material?
Type in OCR Appendix B into Google.
If you get through OCS and get comissioned then go to flight training and fail are you still required to stay in the navy?
Terrible answer, but it depends. If you are willing and able to redesignate, you will probably be redesignated, but the contract will be significantly shorter. If you are further along in the pipeline and fail out of a certain area (advanced or the FRS) there is a possibility to be redesignated to a different platform. But it is HIGHLY situational.
Best quote I've heard "Someone dumber and weaker has made it through the same program." If others can do it, you can too. If youre already set on failing, you will not succeed.
When I went to OCS, early 70's, we had no idea waht was about to happen after the 12 week bridge ride. SURPRISE we were meet by Marine DI'S -- What a damn shock that was.
My friend, how hard is the oar? Can you email me your study materials?
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All the info you need is in this video
My Son Shipped out to OCS Friday September 24th . Yesterday October 1st was first Friday for him . Appreciate your video . Very informative. My Son got a Pilot Slot so He wants Naval Aviation bad . Thanks again
That's awesome! Hope he does well
Any AOCS grads. Pensacola40-85
Class 13-85
Marine Corps Boot Camp Jan 1970, Viet Nam June 1970.Navy Aviation Officer Candidate school 1980. There was No H class. And no equivalent either. All of my AOCS classmates with prior service enlisted and most with advanced science and engineering degrees and one guy who was an Army enlisted pilot with air medals all ready. You failed a test, you were gone. My greatest fear was boxing class, I was a terrible boxer. The instructors fixed that. They let my opponent beat the crap out of me, and then that was all over.
Much different times! Thanks for the insight
By the time I retired, using NVG, GPS, FLIR, precision munitions, current jets no faster then then, some even slower, and stealth was actively being used by the AF. And we had over 500 ships in the Navy.
Informative
Question though
5:36 you talk about H class when someone fails an event.
You said either you improve and move up or stay there. What I have read or heard is that once u don’t pass ur event e.g. PRT ,RLP after the 3 weeks of H class
You may be disenrolled from OCS.?
That is a possibility. The ones that got attrited from the program did not improve once they got to H class or DOR'd (drop on request). It is kind of subjective as to whether or not someone stays or goes from what those in my class said.
If you fail too many events you go to review board but you need to really be in bad shape physically to fail events. If you can hit a good medium with proper form on the PRT comfortably, it shouldn't be a problem.
When did they get rid of the high ropes? On one hand, I had a childhood nightmare about eternally falling after stepping between two stairs following a visit to my dead grandfather in heaven. On the other hand, the ropes course at a nearby mall looks pretty fun and it may look somewhat appealing.
No idea when they got rid of it. I just know it's no longer in use. Probably had someone get injured and complain about it would be my guess.
FaithByFlight So do you think that or having a Marine DI would be scarier?
@@aycc-nbh7289 I know for sure the Marine DI's are worse than a ropes course. Cause a ropes course, you go through it, youre done. Marine DI's are always around ready to wreck your world.
FaithByFlight Even after OCS? Would one ever give me an order to do PT at his place (or wherever he is stationed) after my commissioning? (Probably not, but the fear of not living up to his standards could still linger.)
And have there ever been any cases of “Sgt. Hulka”-like events, where the DI was made to do the course himself in front of his company?
@@aycc-nbh7289 That would not happen. After completing OCS, you will have minimal contact with enlisted until reaching the fleet. Marine DI's dont have any control over you after you leave Newport, RI. You will never have to push again for making a mistake.
Good video, quick question, do you know the requirement is for ocs right now? Like GPA requirement from college and stuff like that! Please let me know
I dont know the specific requirement. I had a 3.1 going in, but also 600+ hours of flight time. Im sure if youre over 3.0 then youll be fine. I know we had a guy with a 2.8 in our class.
2.5 from what iM SEEING im trying to go enlisted and then OCS, but heard its going to be Hard with school and enlisted work but My situation is causing me to hurry go test and hopefully leave soon
@@ghostx141xgaming5 You should be fine man. Just put in the work and get it done.
Depends on the community you want to apply to, the degree, and your score on the OAR/ASTB.
What are the requirements for navy ocs ?
You gotta be more specific
@@FaithByFlight académical goals, is there a test to apply?
@@MaxMax-zf1ei There's the ASTB-E to apply.
Thank you for making this video series it really helpfully
When I went to OCS in Pensacola, I failed the in-PRT even though I passed it for my recruiter. The difference was that at OCS, we preceded the in-PRT with twenty jumping jacks and over 5 minutes of stretches, which sapped me of my arm strength. I passed the sit-ups and run but failed the push-ups. I was held back, but I joined the next class and stuck with it to the end.
That's what happened to a lot of people when they got there. The quarter mile run followed by the stretching did not help with the initial testing.
I use saucony endorphin speed 3 but the least flashy design they have is all white, will they trash them because it’s “individualistic”?
They shouldnt if youre wearing them for PT. Just dont get the shoes theyre offering and get a shoe chit so that you can use your own.
Thanks for the quick response. Also, is the initial strength test everyone is talking about just the normal PRT? What scores do I have to get to not get rolled? Was a lineman in college and just had surgery and am supposed to go late august but recruiter only wants to push to September. I hit good-low on prt right now but am still pretty heavy. 245ish.
Nice video
Did you score high on your ASVAB?
I took the ASVAB in high school. I dont remember the score on that, but I scored fairly high on the ASTB
Thank you stranger
Great video and presentation, thank you!!
Awesome! Welcome to the dark side
FaithByFlight Would you happen to know any student naval flight officer who’s willing to share some experiences?
@@yuqiao9196 I know a few that would probably talk
FaithByFlight Awesome!! What would be the best way?
@@yuqiao9196 Send me an email faithbyflight@gmail.com and Ill see if I can find anyone.
QUESTION:
Where can I get a copy of the OCR?
No place to my knowledge. See a recruiter for Bravo knowledge or you can look at forums. The OCR is limited to OCS.
Hey i have a question
1) do you pick your job prior to OCS?
2 )How do you know if you got the job? Will the officer recruiter tells you?
3) kinda similar with 1 do you apply for the job you want with a officer recruiter?
Thanks for your time :>
1) Yes, you pick what you want before you go in. If you dont see the appropriate designator, dont sign the paper.
2) You know when you sign the paper.
3) Theres really no application other than putting in an officer package. The package consists of grades, letters of recommendation, MEPS medical info and ASTB scores.
3) so you need to do MEPS and ASTB first before applying to be a pilot?
@@deuz9849 You will go to your recruiter and say what you want to do (become a pilot I presume). They will start to put together a package. You will have to go to MEPS and do the ASTB-E to be qualified to become a Student Naval Aviator (SNA). Upon graduating OCS, granted you do not med out of SNA at OCS, you will be designated an SNA and proceed to go through API and then Primary.
You know you made my day i've been lookin for answers and you YES YOUUUUU damn bro THANK YOU
Btw i subscribed! Keep it up i'm gonna watch your future vids!
@@deuz9849 Thanks for the support. Here to help.
What is current maximum age to apply for pilot?
32 with no prior enlistment experience
Are girls treated differently? Is there anything I should know about coming in as a female?
Nope. Women are treated the same as men in regards to mental/attitude evaluation during OCS. Physical standards are different though. From what I saw, women were under the same scrutiny as men the entire time.
Get your grip and shoulder strength up for drill. The women tended to have a harder time gripping the rifle and holding it out for long periods of time.
FaithByFlight okay, thank you so much!
Do you know yet if the situps have officially been replaced by the plank yet?
@@crystalh5342 From what I've heard recently, the Academy is testing the planks, but they will be coming to a PT Test near you. I'd get your planks and situps good just to be safe.
Thanks for video! This is my new goal.
Good luck!
Lol who else was an H-Classer?
H Class Heroes
How is the swimming done there in OCS?
There’s some practice days leading up to it that you can take advantage of. Otherwise you’re just put into testing day. Doesn’t matter if you fail because you will get your official qual when you reach your final destination.
@@FaithByFlight thanks very much
are the high ropes still mandatory or did they take them out
They are no longer a thing. Theyre still on base, but theyre not used.
Same as marines?
No
How difficult is it for an ENLISTED sailor with a Bachelor's Degree to get accepted into Navy OCS?
No idea. Had seven priors in my OCS class, so I wouldnt think it would be too difficult if your Evals are good.
@@FaithByFlight oh right on. I am going to the ENLISTED route first and I might go to OCS. I am just sick and tired of being in my home town for 24 years and ready to move on.
@@lyndonlonzanida Sounds good. Be aware that there is an age cutoff for officers depending on what youre wanting to do.
@@FaithByFlight oh shoot, thank you for that info about age.
It’s easier. And harder. As a civilian you go in with a clean slate. As an enlisted sailor you need to have all of your service record squared away (awards, PRT scores, ribbons/medals, etc.) make sure it’s tight. Find a smart YNC to help you review your record. Best of luck!
Thanks for this video. Is Reserve OCS different from Active Duty or are they the same?
No idea, but probably the same.
@@FaithByFlight thank you. I’m training for the PRT’s. I got to get my run better and push-ups better. Any tips to pass it?
@@mikeowens3739 Be strong and just push through to the highest score you can. Dont shoot for mins, shoot for outstanding on all facets
@@FaithByFlight thanks. I dropped 160 lbs to just be formally ready for this challenge
@@mikeowens3739 Damn dude. Congrats on that. Just work hard as you have been and continue pushing yourself. The fitter you are going in, the better
is it true that if I only put aviation down as what I want to do after ocs, and if I fail ocs or flight school then I'm just dropped and I'm not obligated to do anything else?
If you have aviation down as your option for OCS, if you do not make it through OCS, you do not have any commitment. If you make it through OCS and continue into flight school and fail out there, you will more than likely be redesignated and placed in as a SWO or Supply Officer.
Best bet is to not fail OCS (very difficult to do anyways) and dont fail out of API (still difficult to fail). Worst thing that can happen is once you get to flight school you dont pass anything, which honestly takes a miracle unless you legit lose all motivation to get through it, and get redesignated. Or your NSS is super low and you go Helos
FaithByFlight . Ok thanks. Your whole channel is super helpful!
FaithByFlight . Ok thanks. Your whole channel is super helpful!
Another question: any specific type of person I should pick for my references for ocs? I have two past actual managers and I could pick another manager from a school position I had but I wasn’t sure if her young age or the fact that she was a student also would hurt credibility in some kind. If I picked an assistant manager from the same location as another reference would that not be as good a pick either?
@@chrisjohnson1416 You want someone who knows a lot about you that isnt a relative or a close friend. Managers that are around the same age as you may not bode well, but I'd give it a shot. If she can speak about your work ethic and abilities then it shouldnt be an issue. I would try to find someone that is a mentor and definitely get a recommendation from the Dean of your school. They typically have you write out things about yourself and they will put it into their own words if they dont know you all that well.
Thank you!
Dumb question, what does "push" mean in regards to OCS?
Push verb
(poosh)
1. 2-10 minutes of extra military instruction with your favorite DI after failing a task, embarrassing yourself, or simply being in the wrong spot at the wrong time. A push consists of any exercise deemed fit by the DI of choice (pushups, situps, burpees, jumping jacks (side straddle hops), etc.
I was commissioned through OCS in 1972. Since I was almost certainly to be drafted as soon as I graduated college I opted to go navy and two weeks after I graduated, I was at Newport. It was one of the best decisions of my life. I served as a Surface Warfare Officer and attained the rank of LCDR. OCS was 19 weeks when I went through. It was not easy but anyone who is determined should have no problems. You do need to study (at least I did) and I spent more than one weekend hitting the books. It is apparent watching this video that there are a lot of new wrinkles and training methods (we certainly did not have Power Point) so I will not opine on what one should or should not expect other than not to expect it to be easy. But I certainly believe it will be rewarding for many young men and women. I did see the world that is for sure.
Thanks for the input sir and thanks for your service
Thanks for the great video. Our 19 year old granddaughter its currently attending and passed her room inspection last week. So proud of her.
are u sure that's ocs not bootcamp?
I was wondering what your thoughts are on the selection board for OCS (Pilot Option). It’s my first time submitting my application for the current cycle that just convened this week, was just wondering if you were selected first time up, and any lessons learned if any.
Also what’s the turn around time from the board convening, to results being posted, to receipt of orders and ship out date?
It all depends on your ASTB-E score. If you're an "auto-select" or "green-lighted" then youwill tend to get picked up quicker than others. I went through 4 boards before I got picked up. The results are posted within 24-48hrs after the board convenes. The NRD will get the list before your recruiter. I knew the day after the board met that I got in and when I would be going to OCS. I waited for just over a month to ship out. Made the last March board and shipped in May.
Really not any lessons to learn from it. Just sit and wait until your name gets called. And by sit and wait, I mean workout and study your Bravo knowledge.
FaithByFlight understood. Thank you for the insight.