Hey Team, Hope you enjoy the video… not going to lie I was gutted at the end! We have needed a new “XXXX” for a while. See what we can do 🤷♂️ Was a bit gutted about the audio as well but I’m working on it with someone, this should be my last video with issues 🤞 Thanks as always for watching 😊🐄🙌
If you could repair it and it works good go for it but if you can't get it repaired sufficiently sell it to somebody who can fix it or who will scrap it
Tom your old grab is a Redrock buy another Redrock or if you want a better one buy a Newrock designed by the same guy in his current company Sammy Hughes
Scrap it learn from the mistake buy a new one . Its false economy to keep buying second hand. Its not as if you won't get the use out of it. Great content as usual Tom 👏
I love how, no matter what, your dad seems pretty easy and care free. Just tells you its a "learning experience" and that's it. He's obviously seen it all and made the odd mistake himself so knows what it's like. He seems like such an amazing guy and a great dad.
Ebay is very buyer friendly and protects you if you have been sold something that was not as described so I would definitely contact the seller and come to a compromise with the repair bill once done that leaves you with a working unit just my 10 pence worth Great video as always
It is a waste of money trying to repair these. They never worked and Strimech never managed to get them to work and allegedly gave up trying to modify them. These were early build models made about 12 or 13 years ago.
@@barbarakinsey2789 He can't return it now, he cut a big piece off of the side of it. It should have been tested before being welded/cut etc.. worth a try but think the seller would have a good case for telling him to bugger off sadly
EBay is awful and not buyer friendly. I had something delivered 10 days late (after the point I needed it). No recourse. Spent ages on the phone to them. They even suggested I leave positive feedback. Seller wasn’t helpful either. Just buy a new one Tom. With the weighted roller the grab need to be good.
Hi Tom, You wouldn't believe it by I actually used to own that shear grab. I also bought it as what I thought would be a bargain, we then traded it in for a smaller one this year. Didn't realise it was going to become famous.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Nope I'm innocent on that one. I was going to cut the cutting face out and replace it with a new one but never got round to it. I presume it was bent when people didn't cut fully through the siledge as it was pulled outwards. We only used it for a year as we got fed up with it doing a poor job. Sorry to hear you've ended up with it.
personally I would have gotten ahold of the seller and asked for a bit back. they knew what they were selling. unless the listing was sold as is. But as you both said live and learn. It just sucks that farm equipment is so expensive.
Tom, only buy a shear grab that that you can send back to the manufacturer to get refurbed when needed. You probably use this implement 365 days a year. I would buy a new Johnston shear grab. Leaves an immaculate finish on pit silage. There are also extras available to allow grab to fill meal into diet feeder.
Look at mc milking. He has a tanco.... Big blocks being cut out. Its a different open close system. The rams are vertical, which means constant pressure. The 'normal sheer grabs are weak at the top when closing because of there design. You shouldn't be trying to cut block out block that are taller than shear crab is when it's closed.
Hi Tom, your book arrived today (Wednesday). It could not have come at a better time as I have broken my wrist. Looking forward to reading it. Hope you and your family are keeping well.
As an Ag Engineer, my advice (if you want it), is part-ex your current three against a new one of the size and spec you want. Yes, it is repairable, but do you really want to live withthe worry that you will end up messing around with it on Sunday afternoon during the winter. The one thing I have learnt over the years is that most things are second-hand for a reason!
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Yes it hurts. But £750+ for that into the yard. Repairs likely to cost another £5-600 and still not right. That's nearly 30% of a new shear grab already with warranty as well. Add in time lost and the hassle. Only problem with a new shear grab is that it will age the manitou even more.
A good lesson for us all it made an interesting video I bet the air was blue off camera. Keep us all posted with updates and keep the videos coming and Happy Farming
It depends on how long you have to get by until the new new one shows up. The other nice part about fixing it is you can charge more and sell it faster if you fix it. See what Waring's will charge to re-front it and go from there.
New machinary pay for themselves all day long. My father always bought things brand new and the majority of them are still going strong. Dad is no longer with us but the quality, well maintained machinary will be here for years to come to enjoy. Sell all that scrap and get a new Johnston shear grab. I'm sure they'd be interested in some advertising for a good price on one! Good luck!
TBYB. Good idea. I think it’s fixable. The frames good. Remove the front plate and weld in a new one with better braces. Since it’s already been deformed, I think it’s better to start with a new piece. Warding could easily do that
You have to get the curve right or you will put tremendous pressure on the frame and Rams not just that easy to do. A whole new shear frame is probably the most effective solution.u
Definitely cut the bad plate out and replace it, along with better designed bracing. If the required radius can be found and Wareings have a press brake, you can put lots of small incremental folds on the plate to create a curve.
Love how the ginger guy is always trying to find a good fix and even when it might not work he’s still positive. Something I’m sure he passed on to you. Have a great week be well be you
Bless ya Tom hope you get it sorted , and good advice from the legend the Ginger guy with the moustache it might be worth welding and what not hope you get it sorted or mag to grid (get rid) take care keep safe xx
I would send it for welding and add a third ram at the same time. The frame is deflecting under load if you add a third ram this will reduce the bending moments on the center of the cutter bar and reduce the tensile forces on the welds which attach the stiffeners.
"Live and learn". Exactly what my parents said over the years. Sorry the purchase turned out badly, but better luck on the next one. Thanks for another interesting video.
Tom.. your dad is 100% right.. he has a wealth of knowledge and you will have 100% of knowledge over time You will live and learn over time.. luv your vlogs.. keep it up 😁👍
Great video Tom I know about money and all that but if you work out all the money spent on oil repair’s and second hand grabs and plus it’s a important piece of kit for the farm for feeding surly it makes sense to buy a decent new one even though it’s expensive but the lack of break downs and running costs you would benefit from new for this piece of equipment and at the end of the day someone has had there money worth out of it and plus you will keep throwing money at it were do you stop. Keep up the great videos 👏👏👍👍
You could make your old ones into double bale spikes. We did it with our old shear grab and it’s revolutionary for us being able to pick up two round bales or square bales easily. Simply cut off the grab part and remove a few tines. May be a way of still getting some use from either of your old ones 👍 (our grab was crushed by a silage collapse)
Oh my...that may be the most angry I have heard Tom. It was great to hear the Ginger Warrior try to make it save-able. Always great to learn from your content.
Tom you should invest in a Albutt shear grab dad has ran one for 9 years feeding 630 cattle a day and it still looks half its age and we haven't had any problems. Hope tthis has helped ,keep the good work up.
We used to have one of them shear grabs bought it brand new and had to have 2 new fronts on it because they both bowed like yours has done so had to buy a different make in the end
I agree with the Ginger guy. Re-enforce the front plate and have the rams rebuilt. We use to get others farmers worn-out equipment and fix them up for cheap and use for many years.
Tom if you can justify it, sell 3 and buy 1. I'm sure it's used most days for 6/7 months of the year. It'll benefit your silo face no end and will be much easier on the manitou cutting out blocks.
Well Tom, a good Redrock takes some beating. Albeit the allen key heads can be a bit of a pain, but at least you can replace the blades. Oh, by the way I happen to have a tidy used Redrock sheargrab for sale!!
At least in the US there are discount hydraulic places where you can order new cylinders online for less cost than rebuilding the old ones (if you include labo(u)r rates). Don't know the UK names, but I bet they exist. Same for hoses, they're a fraction of the cost of other sources. Especially with the pitting on your older grab's cylinders, not worth trying to fix vs replace. I think when buying used equipment, you should always expect to have to fix it up a bit, so don't be too annoyed about it! ;)
Great video.... nice and honest as always but Should have used the money to recondition the old one or at least priced recondition vs a new one?? Maybe ask the slurry people to help you out rather than the shed people??
Warm the seized bolts up with the gas bottles on the Redrock, or weld some bolts onto the bolts to get them out , fit new teeth on, reseal the rams, new hoses and it should be like new!!!!
Have a look at a Pro Dig bucket grab, we've been using one for the last 2 years, clamp face has never been cleaner and if you use wrapped bales it can take off plastic wrap and net itself without needing to cut etc. They are expensive but they last and the labour saved in not cutting bales etc we felt it paid for itself. Love the videos👍
Not that I know anything but if something’s in very bad condition I’d buy a new one. You just don’t know when it’s going to break again, especially just when you’re busy. Always get the best tools you can afford for the job. By the way Tom, you have a very kind and understanding father. A real gem.
As a previous user of sheer grabs and current welder of anything broken and such I know a new one is costly outlay but repairs will cost a lot and as said before a new one that you get warranty with and that cuts cleanly will help keep your clamp in better condition and ultimately the feed value stays better and no oil into food either ! Hard to outlay initially but you use it daily and there for peace of mind I’d go new and get a deal too !!
If it's cheap, no matter where its advertised, you have to know that it's going to require work/money. It's not a fail really, you just have to fix some things and modify to your own specifications. It's alright Ton, it's not a huge loss
Hello there Tom. I was just wondering if you have ever tried a rotating facer attatched to a large material bucket? You can face the pile of silage and then scoop up the loosened silage with the material bucket. They seem to be far more popular with dairy farmers in Canada than shear grab buckets. The face of the bunker is always left nice and smooth and you only need to loosen as much silage from the face as you need each day.
Been there done that. Bit the bullet and bought a brand new Albutt shear grab with hardox tines. I've not looked back. Clamp face is almost as smooth your concrete panels. Forget repairing the the ones you have got, it's just throwing good money after bad.
100% redrock are better grabs, we bought one new 20 odd years ago and it's ace and still used every day now! Blades need to be super sharp and close to the tines or your new one.
🤦🏽♂️ I wish you would use the right tools for the job. A set of pliers is not the correct tool to properly tighten a swivel nut. ANY nut for that fact lol. My advice is ditch the older stuff and buy new! Always move forward. Thanks for the video Tom.
The only way you’ll fix the bent section is to replace it, once the metal is stretched and fatigued it wants cut out and replaced. I wouldn’t think it would cost that much tbh
I'd weigh up the costs of two routes. First, buying a new one. Secondly, replacing that whole front panel and supports with thicker, stronger steel and replacing all of the seals and servicable parts. Which ever route is cheaper, taking into account the warranty on a new one, is the way to go. Good luck mate!
Sell, sell, sell. Pre loved kit is all very well and can appear to be a bargain or at least good value but your quality of feeding ability is almost as important as getting the quality of silage in the first place. Make an investment in new and you’ll be assured it hasn’t been abused and won’t let you down. Plus you’ve got a warranty in case of any teething troubles. Bon chance
Hi Tom, I understand your frustration. But listen to your dad, the engineers at Wareing's should be able to fix that no problem. The bucket can be strengthened by welding T shaped or angled brackets. The rams can be easily fixed too. Check the T&C agreement you had with the eBay seller you may be request a refund.
Since the manufacturers couldn’t make these work, even after having them back to be modified, it is probably beyond most engineer’s ability to economically get these to work reliably either to cut the silage face tidily or to avoid repeatedly breaking tines.
@@archiecairns2731 This isn’t a commercial vehicle and this model never worked from the factory and never could be made to work without very extensive re-engineering to bring the blade substantially rearwards to the top of the tines. The manufacturers couldn’t do it when several were returned to them as being faulty soon after being put to use from new. Nothing is ultimately impossible of course, given the time, cost, materials and engineering skill. I do hope that you get the chance to make this right as it would indeed be a feather in your cap. A challenge you might find worthwhile. One that the owners [the Pembertons] might relish if given a fixed price for the job with a no quibble warranty that it would subsequently cut cleanly and not break tines. Best of luck.
@@hedydd2 Huw, I am well aware that this sheer grab is not a commercial vehicle. But large tipper trucks do have a metal skin that cracks open when large rocks and concrete are dropped in the bucket on a daily bases. Rams leak when the hinges on the tippers wear out over time and hydraulic pipes break these can easily be refurbished. The metal tines can be strengthened and tempered in a blacksmith forge No matter what you believe. Engineers and Blacksmiths at Wareing's would be able to assess the damage and cost out the repairs. Whether or not it is economically viable in the end that's down to Tom. It may well be that the Manufacturers couldn't fix it but that doesn't mean the sheer grab can't be fixed. You should see what the Ukrainians are doing to repurpose old and damaged weapon systems. If there is a will there is a way. I bet you Adrian over in Cavan ( I Farm We Farm) could fix this. You have a nice day now.
@@archiecairns2731 While this is not made of Hardox steel, the cracked bowed back is the least of its problems. The tines are Kverneland Swedish steel though and break due to the inefficiency of the blades which also manifest as the inability to cut smoothly, leaving a ragged loose surface to the clamp which encourages wasteful secondary fermentation. As I said, throw enough time, money, metal and expertise at anything, and it can be made to work. These things are not economically viable to even start playing with on the off-chance that it could eventually be made to work at a cost. However it would make a fun series of videos to watch someone attempt it and get a nice smooth sealed clamp face without breaking more than what I would consider an acceptable tine breakage rate of about a tine every 2000 tons cut and loaded.
Definitely sell all the ones you have and buy new, a new one will work perfectly and the go on to last another 20 years if you look after it. Just bought a new Albutt one and it’s great and have a great face on the clamp.
Sell all those and buy a silage cutter and the face of your silage pile nice and smooth and it looks really nice. We use a silage cutter and it works really good. All it is is a huge cylinder with teeth. Turn it on and it spins and cuts nice and smooth and it only takes a minute to hit your silage weight for your mixer.
We all live and learn Tom, a few longer stiffeners with a good penetration weld sounds a better idea, new seals for the rams and hopefully be as good as new, 👍👍🐄.
they make a bucket with a hydraulic rotory style cutter on the top. they cut silage pretty nice and help reducing mixing time and save on mixing wagon blades. just a thought.
So my understanding is it the grab/cutter part and the rams just need a seals, so my thoughts is it needs reinforment weilds/pieces or replace the grab end, I think Ginger guy is right send it off and get that work done if your rams are good.
Keep up the hard work , a few sticks of weld and some steel reused from old kit and you could have a custom grab reinforced the the ginger warrior spec.!????
Fix it tom and send it back in for round 2 we would slam that thing in front of the welder and get to throwing in some braces and it's cheap to pack the cylinders and put seals in so 👍great video tom
No advice Tom, I invested in a good shovel this year after breaking many of the cheaper ones every year. My mantra is buy the best you can afford because when you need a good tool and the one out have breaks...you are up a creek without a paddle.
You have 3 now Tom, so bring them to Wearings like your father said and you'll have 1 probably one that will last you for years. Buying online without looking is not always a good plan, but every day is a learning day. 👍
With the greatest of respect Tom, I didn't really see there was a need to replace your old shear grab.. everything that needed doing to it was all totally serviceable and is an afternoons work at your local agri- engineers to repair 😅
Ebay can be great like my mate who just bought a silage grab that was listed as spare parts but it's worked fine apart from a slight oil leak but it can also be a pain
Your Dad is such a warrior for you as he's trying to salvage what you bought because he knows how you are feeling. Go to seller get money back or go to eBay as someone said to get at least some money to make the repairs it needs or send it back to get your $ back. If not then sell all the and get a new one you need a good one for a long time so might as well go for the new one
That grab is fairly big for the Keenan. I think it more designed for a tub. If you were to put in a full grab you will either stall the tractor or break shear bolts
Tom your current Redrock could be fixed and left like new but it will cost you. Move on the three grabs and get a new Redrock, they are expensive but built to last!
Can you buy a new front for it that hasn't been beat up? The rams are good with new seals. The back frame is also fine. Replace the part that needs replacing should be cheaper then a whole new grab. Good Luck!
Of all things to buy second-hand!!!! Best trade in those two grabs and buy a new one. If it's being used every day, then buy new. Bought a Quicke shear grab a few years ago and I haven't looked back.
I do work for a farmer who buys & sells agri machinery (Dave Rushton machinery, Uttoxeter) and after watching your vid I went and looked up the yard, we've got a strimech shear grab but a 1.7m (manu. Oct 11), also there is a couple of new jcb agri tine grabs if you want to call Dave (tell him Steve put you onto them) he'll consider part ex's and if you're near to Uttoxeter you could come and have a look, hope this helps.
Sell the three and buy a new one, i would still recomend albutt, i know they are a bit more expensive but they are local to me i have been to the factory and they just make excellent kit. also they fit three rams rather then two and tend to have far thicker steel.
I can see your disappointment. I’d be gutted as others have said buy a new one you use it every day. But buy a one with 3 rams with a blade in the middle as they split the block which helps the mixer. Great videos.
Buy an Dutch made AP shear grab. The best that are available. Don't know if they are available in the UK. But they made a custom 5m wide one for someone in the USA. The front of the grab is a sandwich with the bracing inside. So the braces stay in place better and are welded on both sides.
Well, could you keep one for parts and sell the others, sucks that u had to go through that. Hope things go better for you and the Ginger. Love your channel
Take it to wearings, get them to cut off that front part, weld on new steel, thicker and add bracing supports, that way it will have a nice clean face. replace the seals/service the rams tighted those pipes, lick of paint and boom you have a beast of a grab :) your welcome 🤗
Buy cheap, buy twice! Learned that myself the hard way 😆 but yeah since you’re using it everyday, I’d say it’s worth investing in a new quality grab…as long as you can afford it of course
i'd be thinking of cutting the whole front out and replaclacing it with another plate eniterly 10mm or 1/2" thick. I'm sure Waerings could cut and roll the plate and some gussets/ribs and then you'll need a good welder to put it back in.
you could save it, for sure. now you have to check if it is worse the effort and the money. In any case, if you need our help, do not hesitate, we will all support you
👍👍❤️😁. Another lesson learned. Either straighten and reinforce the front of the grab with new steel and teeth or sell them all and buy new. 😁. I would ask your friends from “I Farm We Farm” or Graeme Parker what they think. They are both a whiz at such things.
a little bit of ginger fixes and jobs a good un, the man knows his stuff, and making those braces longer/ deeper so it has more weld will work, keep the rolled front shape then
Cut new spars and cut a set of 3 slats to put between them down near the shear teeth and grind back the shear teeth a little. It'll add about 45 pounds to the blade, then give it a very small inward curve on the teeth so that it's pushing back the moneytruck instead of breaking itself.
Well young man you have learned a valuable lesson and it only cost you 820 pounds . If you buy second hand you are only buying someone else's problem, sometimes you have to go second hand because you just can't afford new, however it is usually a false economy , especially when it comes to implements and attachments , if it isn't wrecked most people don't trade that sort of gear . When I was a young lad like you I bought a second hand Massey 2640 the worst machine I have ever owned by the time I had it two years I had done the engine transmission and back end never mind a new set of tyres, total cost more than a new one and the killer was it was two years older and worth way less than I had paid for it. I have always said its either repayments or repairs and at least with repayments it invariably will start and do a days work whereas when you buy second hand you hope that it will go and pray hard! You could probably put a new face on that grab and fix the seals but what have you got? A botched up 800 pound shear grab , that's costing you probably 2 grand and you will spend the whole of next winter nursing it along anyway it's to big for your little loader and will be very hard on your head stock, do your self a favour gather up your scrap grabs and try to find a victim who will not take them as a trade in for a new one, but weigh them first so that you know their value.
Tom, for a few more hundred quid you could get the weak front cut out and a new thicker part welded in and with all the strengthers. A little bit of tweaking and you've got a bargin. Listen to dad, he's thinking it through, where you are upset and think you've been had. A good grab for a £1,500 to make it perfect, is better than thousands for a brand new shiny one.
We all make mistakes Tom always wiser afterwards as I tell myself . Either scrap the 2 and a good pile of scrap or trade 2 in for a brand new one . Even if you do pay it as payments every month least your getting a benefit from a clean cut Silage pit a happier mind and not spending the money all In one lot 😊👍 . Look around be suprising what you can find on out of season deals or specail offers at loca machinery dealers
Tbh for £800 odd pound there was always something that would need doing but if it’s fixable within a certain budget then it should be fine .. problem is then will you have the confidence in it working for you every day Tom..👍
Hey Team,
Hope you enjoy the video… not going to lie I was gutted at the end! We have needed a new “XXXX” for a while. See what we can do 🤷♂️
Was a bit gutted about the audio as well but I’m working on it with someone, this should be my last video with issues 🤞
Thanks as always for watching 😊🐄🙌
If you could repair it and it works good go for it but if you can't get it repaired sufficiently sell it to somebody who can fix it or who will scrap it
Tom your old grab is a Redrock buy another Redrock or if you want a better one buy a Newrock designed by the same guy in his current company Sammy Hughes
Don't worry about your vid quality when all we want is you to have good kit. Good kit means good vids 👍
Gotta go as its a must on the farm and can't risk it failing when the girls are in. If only a company watching wanted exposure......
Don’t bunk shavers work best? The uk must have a similar product
Sell 3 old, but a new one. You use it everyday! Also oilleaks are better to avoid for food and animal health care
Hydraulic oil is no good for man nor beast. Hopefully it isn't too nasty. 🤞🏻
buy a new one.. life's too short lol
welded a bucket edge across the back of the front it nt go out then as we got that done with a 200 redrock grab and that was rd 6/7years ago
Scrap it learn from the mistake buy a new one . Its false economy to keep buying second hand. Its not as if you won't get the use out of it. Great content as usual Tom 👏
Was thinking the same
For something they use pretty much all year round - totally agree. Plus they'd get a decent warranty if anything does break on it.
I love how, no matter what, your dad seems pretty easy and care free. Just tells you its a "learning experience" and that's it. He's obviously seen it all and made the odd mistake himself so knows what it's like. He seems like such an amazing guy and a great dad.
Ebay is very buyer friendly and protects you if you have been sold something that was not as described so I would definitely contact the seller and come to a compromise with the repair bill once done that leaves you with a working unit just my 10 pence worth
Great video as always
It is a waste of money trying to repair these. They never worked and Strimech never managed to get them to work and allegedly gave up trying to modify them. These were early build models made about 12 or 13 years ago.
Yes contact the seller and talk about returning it. IIt definitely wasn't as listed (POS)
@@barbarakinsey2789 He can't return it now, he cut a big piece off of the side of it. It should have been tested before being welded/cut etc.. worth a try but think the seller would have a good case for telling him to bugger off sadly
EBay is awful and not buyer friendly. I had something delivered 10 days late (after the point I needed it). No recourse. Spent ages on the phone to them. They even suggested I leave positive feedback. Seller wasn’t helpful either.
Just buy a new one Tom. With the weighted roller the grab need to be good.
Hi Tom,
You wouldn't believe it by I actually used to own that shear grab. I also bought it as what I thought would be a bargain, we then traded it in for a smaller one this year. Didn't realise it was going to become famous.
were you the one that bent the S**T out of it pushing in posts?? LOL
@@garethbryson going from the fact that he said he bought it thinking it was a bargain no a don’t think he did bend the shit out of it
No way Rob! That’s very cool!
Do you know why it has the bend in the middle? Did you use it a lot?
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Nope I'm innocent on that one. I was going to cut the cutting face out and replace it with a new one but never got round to it. I presume it was bent when people didn't cut fully through the siledge as it was pulled outwards. We only used it for a year as we got fed up with it doing a poor job. Sorry to hear you've ended up with it.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife wearings would do a better than new job on that shear grab, get them to do it and it will last you years
personally I would have gotten ahold of the seller and asked for a bit back. they knew what they were selling. unless the listing was sold as is. But as you both said live and learn. It just sucks that farm equipment is so expensive.
Tom, only buy a shear grab that that you can send back to the manufacturer to get refurbed when needed. You probably use this implement 365 days a year. I would buy a new Johnston shear grab. Leaves an immaculate finish on pit silage. There are also extras available to allow grab to fill meal into diet feeder.
Look at mc milking. He has a tanco.... Big blocks being cut out. Its a different open close system. The rams are vertical, which means constant pressure. The 'normal sheer grabs are weak at the top when closing because of there design. You shouldn't be trying to cut block out block that are taller than shear crab is when it's closed.
johnstone are desperate light
@@Tj-mo9pu no need for a big heavy thing
Hi Tom, your book arrived today (Wednesday). It could not have come at a better time as I have broken my wrist. Looking forward to reading it. Hope you and your family are keeping well.
As an Ag Engineer, my advice (if you want it), is part-ex your current three against a new one of the size and spec you want. Yes, it is repairable, but do you really want to live withthe worry that you will end up messing around with it on Sunday afternoon during the winter. The one thing I have learnt over the years is that most things are second-hand for a reason!
Yo ur not wrong! 4K plus for a new one hurts though 🤦♂️
@@TomPembertonFarmLife How many times do you use it every day, and how long is the life of a new one.
@@TomPembertonFarmLife Yes it hurts. But £750+ for that into the yard. Repairs likely to cost another £5-600 and still not right. That's nearly 30% of a new shear grab already with warranty as well. Add in time lost and the hassle. Only problem with a new shear grab is that it will age the manitou even more.
A good lesson for us all it made an interesting video I bet the air was blue off camera. Keep us all posted with updates and keep the videos coming and Happy Farming
It depends on how long you have to get by until the new new one shows up. The other nice part about fixing it is you can charge more and sell it faster if you fix it. See what Waring's will charge to re-front it and go from there.
New machinary pay for themselves all day long. My father always bought things brand new and the majority of them are still going strong. Dad is no longer with us but the quality, well maintained machinary will be here for years to come to enjoy. Sell all that scrap and get a new Johnston shear grab. I'm sure they'd be interested in some advertising for a good price on one! Good luck!
TBYB. Good idea. I think it’s fixable. The frames good. Remove the front plate and weld in a new one with better braces. Since it’s already been deformed, I think it’s better to start with a new piece. Warding could easily do that
Exactly what i was thinking. Must be a fairly quick job for them to cut the plate out and make a new stronger one.
@@linuskallin448 Wareings has a laser cutter. It’d take next to no time to cut a new face. Then drill and tap for teeth
You have to get the curve right or you will put tremendous pressure on the frame and Rams not just that easy to do. A whole new shear frame is probably the most effective solution.u
@@nsgkuaov A boiler shop or shipyard would be able to supply a curved plate and the rest is cutting and fitting
Definitely cut the bad plate out and replace it, along with better designed bracing. If the required radius can be found and Wareings have a press brake, you can put lots of small incremental folds on the plate to create a curve.
Repair, if you think you can really stop the fluid leaks. I do like your dad's ideas about this. Especially about turning the welding over to Wering.
Unless you’re buying from someone you trust 100% an implement that you use everyday should always be inspected before purchasing.
Love how the ginger guy is always trying to find a good fix and even when it might not work he’s still positive. Something I’m sure he passed on to you. Have a great week be well be you
I thought your Dad was very positive and was very supportive .
Bless ya Tom hope you get it sorted , and good advice from the legend the Ginger guy with the moustache it might be worth welding and what not hope you get it sorted or mag to grid (get rid) take care keep safe xx
I would send it for welding and add a third ram at the same time. The frame is deflecting under load if you add a third ram this will reduce the bending moments on the center of the cutter bar and reduce the tensile forces on the welds which attach the stiffeners.
"Live and learn". Exactly what my parents said over the years. Sorry the purchase turned out badly, but better luck on the next one. Thanks for another interesting video.
Tom.. your dad is 100% right.. he has a wealth of knowledge and you will have 100% of knowledge over time
You will live and learn over time.. luv your vlogs.. keep it up 😁👍
Great video Tom I know about money and all that but if you work out all the money spent on oil repair’s and second hand grabs and plus it’s a important piece of kit for the farm for feeding surly it makes sense to buy a decent new one even though it’s expensive but the lack of break downs and running costs you would benefit from new for this piece of equipment and at the end of the day someone has had there money worth out of it and plus you will keep throwing money at it were do you stop. Keep up the great videos 👏👏👍👍
You could make your old ones into double bale spikes. We did it with our old shear grab and it’s revolutionary for us being able to pick up two round bales or square bales easily. Simply cut off the grab part and remove a few tines. May be a way of still getting some use from either of your old ones 👍 (our grab was crushed by a silage collapse)
Oh my...that may be the most angry I have heard Tom. It was great to hear the Ginger Warrior try to make it save-able. Always great to learn from your content.
Tom you should invest in a Albutt shear grab dad has ran one for 9 years feeding 630 cattle a day and it still looks half its age and we haven't had any problems. Hope tthis has helped ,keep the good work up.
Best bet sell all 3 and get a new one and spec it up to what you want
You have to se this as learning money.
I was told this by a old farmer " Buy new stuff, it will become old anyway".
Keep up the good work!
Like that’s saying! 😂
We used to have one of them shear grabs bought it brand new and had to have 2 new fronts on it because they both bowed like yours has done so had to buy a different make in the end
a very good Tuesday afternoon to you all from Wellington Somerset
I agree with the Ginger guy. Re-enforce the front plate and have the rams rebuilt. We use to get others farmers worn-out equipment and fix them up for cheap and use for many years.
Tom if you can justify it, sell 3 and buy 1. I'm sure it's used most days for 6/7 months of the year. It'll benefit your silo face no end and will be much easier on the manitou cutting out blocks.
Well Tom, a good Redrock takes some beating. Albeit the allen key heads can be a bit of a pain, but at least you can replace the blades. Oh, by the way I happen to have a tidy used Redrock sheargrab for sale!!
Replace seals in rams and get the front face repaired and strengthened.
Looks like a sturdy piece of equipment. New seals and reinforcement in the front and you would have a good piece of equipment
At least in the US there are discount hydraulic places where you can order new cylinders online for less cost than rebuilding the old ones (if you include labo(u)r rates). Don't know the UK names, but I bet they exist. Same for hoses, they're a fraction of the cost of other sources. Especially with the pitting on your older grab's cylinders, not worth trying to fix vs replace.
I think when buying used equipment, you should always expect to have to fix it up a bit, so don't be too annoyed about it! ;)
Great video.... nice and honest as always but Should have used the money to recondition the old one or at least priced recondition vs a new one?? Maybe ask the slurry people to help you out rather than the shed people??
Warm the seized bolts up with the gas bottles on the Redrock, or weld some bolts onto the bolts to get them out , fit new teeth on, reseal the rams, new hoses and it should be like new!!!!
Have a look at a Pro Dig bucket grab, we've been using one for the last 2 years, clamp face has never been cleaner and if you use wrapped bales it can take off plastic wrap and net itself without needing to cut etc. They are expensive but they last and the labour saved in not cutting bales etc we felt it paid for itself. Love the videos👍
Not that I know anything but if something’s in very bad condition I’d buy a new one. You just don’t know when it’s going to break again, especially just when you’re busy. Always get the best tools you can afford for the job.
By the way Tom, you have a very kind and understanding father. A real gem.
As a previous user of sheer grabs and current welder of anything broken and such I know a new one is costly outlay but repairs will cost a lot and as said before a new one that you get warranty with and that cuts cleanly will help keep your clamp in better condition and ultimately the feed value stays better and no oil into food either ! Hard to outlay initially but you use it daily and there for peace of mind I’d go new and get a deal too !!
I have ordered your signed book, looking forward to recieving it some time soon.
If it's cheap, no matter where its advertised, you have to know that it's going to require work/money. It's not a fail really, you just have to fix some things and modify to your own specifications. It's alright Ton, it's not a huge loss
Your right Tom never but of eBay 🙄 I would sell all of the shear grabs that you got then buy a new one but trouble is that they don't come in cheap
If you want we can plasma new strengthning plates like ya dad said and at least fix it so it’s sellable?
Hello there Tom. I was just wondering if you have ever tried a rotating facer attatched to a large material bucket? You can face the pile of silage and then scoop up the loosened silage with the material bucket. They seem to be far more popular with dairy farmers in Canada than shear grab buckets. The face of the bunker is always left nice and smooth and you only need to loosen as much silage from the face as you need each day.
Like the 10th Generation Dairyman Uses?
Been there done that.
Bit the bullet and bought a brand new Albutt shear grab with hardox tines. I've not looked back. Clamp face is almost as smooth your concrete panels. Forget repairing the the ones you have got, it's just throwing good money after bad.
100% redrock are better grabs, we bought one new 20 odd years ago and it's ace and still used every day now! Blades need to be super sharp and close to the tines or your new one.
🤦🏽♂️ I wish you would use the right tools for the job. A set of pliers is not the correct tool to properly tighten a swivel nut. ANY nut for that fact lol. My advice is ditch the older stuff and buy new! Always move forward. Thanks for the video Tom.
The only way you’ll fix the bent section is to replace it, once the metal is stretched and fatigued it wants cut out and replaced. I wouldn’t think it would cost that much tbh
I'd weigh up the costs of two routes. First, buying a new one. Secondly, replacing that whole front panel and supports with thicker, stronger steel and replacing all of the seals and servicable parts. Which ever route is cheaper, taking into account the warranty on a new one, is the way to go. Good luck mate!
Sell, sell, sell. Pre loved kit is all very well and can appear to be a bargain or at least good value but your quality of feeding ability is almost as important as getting the quality of silage in the first place. Make an investment in new and you’ll be assured it hasn’t been abused and won’t let you down. Plus you’ve got a warranty in case of any teething troubles. Bon chance
Hi Tom, I understand your frustration. But listen to your dad, the engineers at Wareing's should be able to fix that no problem. The bucket can be strengthened by welding T shaped or angled brackets. The rams can be easily fixed too. Check the T&C agreement you had with the eBay seller you may be request a refund.
Since the manufacturers couldn’t make these work, even after having them back to be modified, it is probably beyond most engineer’s ability to economically get these to work reliably either to cut the silage face tidily or to avoid repeatedly breaking tines.
@@hedydd2 You're entitled to your opinion but I beg to disagree. I've carried out similar repairs to commercial vehicles.
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This isn’t a commercial vehicle and this model never worked from the factory and never could be made to work without very extensive re-engineering to bring the blade substantially rearwards to the top of the tines. The manufacturers couldn’t do it when several were returned to them as being faulty soon after being put to use from new. Nothing is ultimately impossible of course, given the time, cost, materials and engineering skill. I do hope that you get the chance to make this right as it would indeed be a feather in your cap. A challenge you might find worthwhile. One that the owners [the Pembertons] might relish if given a fixed price for the job with a no quibble warranty that it would subsequently cut cleanly and not break tines. Best of luck.
@@hedydd2 Huw, I am well aware that this sheer grab is not a commercial vehicle. But large tipper trucks do have a metal skin that cracks open when large rocks and concrete are dropped in the bucket on a daily bases. Rams leak when the hinges on the tippers wear out over time and hydraulic pipes break these can easily be refurbished. The metal tines can be strengthened and tempered in a blacksmith forge No matter what you believe. Engineers and Blacksmiths at Wareing's would be able to assess the damage and cost out the repairs. Whether or not it is economically viable in the end that's down to Tom. It may well be that the Manufacturers couldn't fix it but that doesn't mean the sheer grab can't be fixed. You should see what the Ukrainians are doing to repurpose old and damaged weapon systems. If there is a will there is a way. I bet you Adrian over in Cavan ( I Farm We Farm) could fix this. You have a nice day now.
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While this is not made of Hardox steel, the cracked bowed back is the least of its problems. The tines are Kverneland Swedish steel though and break due to the inefficiency of the blades which also manifest as the inability to cut smoothly, leaving a ragged loose surface to the clamp which encourages wasteful secondary fermentation. As I said, throw enough time, money, metal and expertise at anything, and it can be made to work. These things are not economically viable to even start playing with on the off-chance that it could eventually be made to work at a cost.
However it would make a fun series of videos to watch someone attempt it and get a nice smooth sealed clamp face without breaking more than what I would consider an acceptable tine breakage rate of about a tine every 2000 tons cut and loaded.
Definitely sell all the ones you have and buy new, a new one will work perfectly and the go on to last another 20 years if you look after it. Just bought a new Albutt one and it’s great and have a great face on the clamp.
Sell all those and buy a silage cutter and the face of your silage pile nice and smooth and it looks really nice. We use a silage cutter and it works really good. All it is is a huge cylinder with teeth. Turn it on and it spins and cuts nice and smooth and it only takes a minute to hit your silage weight for your mixer.
We all live and learn Tom, a few longer stiffeners with a good penetration weld sounds a better idea, new seals for the rams and hopefully be as good as new, 👍👍🐄.
they make a bucket with a hydraulic rotory style cutter on the top. they cut silage pretty nice and help reducing mixing time and save on mixing wagon blades. just a thought.
So my understanding is it the grab/cutter part and the rams just need a seals, so my thoughts is it needs reinforment weilds/pieces or replace the grab end, I think Ginger guy is right send it off and get that work done if your rams are good.
Keep up the hard work , a few sticks of weld and some steel reused from old kit and you could have a custom grab reinforced the the ginger warrior spec.!????
Fix it tom and send it back in for round 2 we would slam that thing in front of the welder and get to throwing in some braces and it's cheap to pack the cylinders and put seals in so 👍great video tom
Sorry to see you having a rough day. Everyone's bought something and regretted it, so don't beat yourself up too much over it.
Your dad is right about the gussets. Not much work to make it right.
It was never going to end well, bite the bullet, chalk it up as character building, and some very good content.
Cheers Tom enjoying your content.
No advice Tom, I invested in a good shovel this year after breaking many of the cheaper ones every year. My mantra is buy the best you can afford because when you need a good tool and the one out have breaks...you are up a creek without a paddle.
You have 3 now Tom, so bring them to Wearings like your father said and you'll have 1 probably one that will last you for years.
Buying online without looking is not always a good plan, but every day is a learning day. 👍
With the greatest of respect Tom, I didn't really see there was a need to replace your old shear grab.. everything that needed doing to it was all totally serviceable and is an afternoons work at your local agri- engineers to repair 😅
Ebay can be great like my mate who just bought a silage grab that was listed as spare parts but it's worked fine apart from a slight oil leak but it can also be a pain
Your Dad is such a warrior for you as he's trying to salvage what you bought because he knows how you are feeling. Go to seller get money back or go to eBay as someone said to get at least some money to make the repairs it needs or send it back to get your $ back. If not then sell all the and get a new one you need a good one for a long time so might as well go for the new one
That grab is fairly big for the Keenan. I think it more designed for a tub. If you were to put in a full grab you will either stall the tractor or break shear bolts
Tom your current Redrock could be fixed and left like new but it will cost you. Move on the three grabs and get a new Redrock, they are expensive but built to last!
Cut front off and weld new sheet in with shapen grab teeth and put longer supports in to help it.
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Can you buy a new front for it that hasn't been beat up? The rams are good with new seals. The back frame is also fine. Replace the part that needs replacing should be cheaper then a whole new grab. Good Luck!
Of all things to buy second-hand!!!! Best trade in those two grabs and buy a new one. If it's being used every day, then buy new. Bought a Quicke shear grab a few years ago and I haven't looked back.
Yes love the Tuesday vid make my day keep up the hard work tom
Plenty of grease I never thought of that do you have to grease it less then
I do work for a farmer who buys & sells agri machinery (Dave Rushton machinery, Uttoxeter) and after watching your vid I went and looked up the yard, we've got a strimech shear grab but a 1.7m (manu. Oct 11), also there is a couple of new jcb agri tine grabs if you want to call Dave (tell him Steve put you onto them) he'll consider part ex's and if you're near to Uttoxeter you could come and have a look, hope this helps.
Sell the three and buy a new one, i would still recomend albutt, i know they are a bit more expensive but they are local to me i have been to the factory and they just make excellent kit. also they fit three rams rather then two and tend to have far thicker steel.
I can see your disappointment. I’d be gutted as others have said buy a new one you use it every day. But buy a one with 3 rams with a blade in the middle as they split the block which helps the mixer. Great videos.
Three ram ones tend to crack and bend far worse than two ram ones for some reason linked with unbalanced stress.
If possible try fix it yourself with parts from your other grabs to save cost. Will make a good couple of restoration videos also in the process
Hi Tom,
Can you take both the implements and Trade them in for something else? Have a Great Day and tell your dad Hi 👋!
Buy an Dutch made AP shear grab. The best that are available. Don't know if they are available in the UK. But they made a custom 5m wide one for someone in the USA. The front of the grab is a sandwich with the bracing inside. So the braces stay in place better and are welded on both sides.
Well, could you keep one for parts and sell the others, sucks that u had to go through that. Hope things go better for you and the Ginger. Love your channel
I was always told never to buy a second hand shear grab, nearly always strained. Always buy a new one, cheaper in the long run.
get rid and look at a new red rock shear bucket great tools.
Take it to wearings, get them to cut off that front part, weld on new steel, thicker and add bracing supports, that way it will have a nice clean face. replace the seals/service the rams tighted those pipes, lick of paint and boom you have a beast of a grab :) your welcome 🤗
Buy cheap, buy twice! Learned that myself the hard way 😆 but yeah since you’re using it everyday, I’d say it’s worth investing in a new quality grab…as long as you can afford it of course
i'd be thinking of cutting the whole front out and replaclacing it with another plate eniterly 10mm or 1/2" thick. I'm sure Waerings could cut and roll the plate and some gussets/ribs and then you'll need a good welder to put it back in.
you could save it, for sure. now you have to check if it is worse the effort and the money.
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👍👍❤️😁. Another lesson learned. Either straighten and reinforce the front of the grab with new steel and teeth or sell them all and buy new. 😁. I would ask your friends from “I Farm We Farm” or Graeme Parker what they think. They are both a whiz at such things.
I love your father bro. Always listen to him. in the begining of the video i was thinking exactly what he said later on hahah
we have a grab at work that has 3 knifes from the back frame to the fron knife. so one under itch ram and one in the middel. sorry for the spelling.
I'd keep the grab and get a new front for it ,love the videos 👍
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a little bit of ginger fixes and jobs a good un, the man knows his stuff, and making those braces longer/ deeper so it has more weld will work, keep the rolled front shape then
Cut new spars and cut a set of 3 slats to put between them down near the shear teeth and grind back the shear teeth a little. It'll add about 45 pounds to the blade, then give it a very small inward curve on the teeth so that it's pushing back the moneytruck instead of breaking itself.
Well young man you have learned a valuable lesson and it only cost you 820 pounds . If you buy second hand you are only buying someone else's problem, sometimes you have to go second hand because you just can't afford new, however it is usually a false economy , especially when it comes to implements and attachments , if it isn't wrecked most people don't trade that sort of gear . When I was a young lad like you I bought a second hand Massey 2640 the worst machine I have ever owned by the time I had it two years I had done the engine transmission and back end never mind a new set of tyres, total cost more than a new one and the killer was it was two years older and worth way less than I had paid for it. I have always said its either repayments or repairs and at least with repayments it invariably will start and do a days work whereas when you buy second hand you hope that it will go and pray hard! You could probably put a new face on that grab and fix the seals but what have you got? A botched up 800 pound shear grab , that's costing you probably 2 grand and you will spend the whole of next winter nursing it along anyway it's to big for your little loader and will be very hard on your head stock, do your self a favour gather up your scrap grabs and try to find a victim who will not take them as a trade in for a new one, but weigh them first so that you know their value.
Tom, for a few more hundred quid you could get the weak front cut out and a new thicker part welded in and with all the strengthers. A little bit of tweaking and you've got a bargin. Listen to dad, he's thinking it through, where you are upset and think you've been had. A good grab for a £1,500 to make it perfect, is better than thousands for a brand new shiny one.
We all make mistakes Tom always wiser afterwards as I tell myself . Either scrap the 2 and a good pile of scrap or trade 2 in for a brand new one . Even if you do pay it as payments every month least your getting a benefit from a clean cut Silage pit a happier mind and not spending the money all In one lot 😊👍 . Look around be suprising what you can find on out of season deals or specail offers at loca machinery dealers
Tbh for £800 odd pound there was always something that would need doing but if it’s fixable within a certain budget then it should be fine .. problem is then will you have the confidence in it working for you every day Tom..👍
Take the rans of the red sheer grab if they fit put them on the black one mate
Sell all three and get a new one Tom, brilliant video again