I love how the interviewer congratulated Lee on Halt and Catch Fire, it's a great show and all of the cast deserve the highest of respect for it. I think mentioning that in the interview really delighted him. So thanks a lot for that :)
Tolkien respected women very much In fact he put them up on a pedestal. And that's very clear in the female characters he created. They were noble and courageous with high character and in the case of Galadrial she was not only a great leader and warrior she was a person of great wisdom and spirituality. They were special, stood out in his stories, and were clear points of focus.
+Susan Exler I agree. I don't why she would think that Tolkien hated women when he created Galadriel, Luthien, and Eowyn. They were strong women in their own way
He put them on a pedestal not because he respected them but that was what his ideal women would be like . Like most men of his time and social class , not because he hated women . Galadriel and Eowyn are exceptions in that they are more well rounded and fleshed out than other female characters. The rest of them are weak and pretty boring .
Tolkien was a Beowulf fan and there are a lot of caves in that story. Beowulf slays Grendel's mother in a cave and then he is killed by and kills the dragon for it's hoard in a cave (in the book). Also, there is probably something about a cave as a container of power (personal power and/or wealth) and also secrets - both of which concepts are very key to Kings. Can also think of the cave as a symbol of what is unconscious and b/c kings wield so much power you have to be very careful about triggering their unconscious patterns b/c they can lash out unconsciously with great and destructive power. So, a cave is a channeling of power, secrets, threatening of violence, probably also a sense of hoarding/hiding away/isolation (the isolation of power), and desire to protect oneself within a fortress (in this sense, the cave) - removed from others, a passage to the underworld of what is hidden and unseen (people in power hide a lot of 'stuff'). The cave is a symbol and an archetype. I'm sure Jung would recognize it. ... as for the women issue, he started writing his LOTR-type universe in the trenches of WWI where there weren't many women, but I don't think that fully explains it as the Hobbit was finished in the 30's and the LOTR in 40's (or 50's). So, it's a good question. But the archetype of the time was for men to be the ones out and about soldiering, adventuring. Women were more the guardians of the hearth (Rosey Cotton) but we do see ome conflict there with Eowyn who is relegated to protecting the hearth which she heartily resents, finally disguising herself as a male soldier so as to fight. So, she may be representative of the changing times of the 1940's... a woman trying to break the stereotypes as did numerous women in WWII with Rosey the Riveter (Rosey Cotton?) back on the home front taking the place of men in the factories, female soldiers, etc. Eowyn actually dressed as a man and went to battle. There are numerous tales, legends, and real accounts of that happening that I think Tolkien would have known about (Joan of Arc for one).
Lee Pace: Are you ready to be die for a Dwarf? Orlando Bloom: If you need to hurt her, you must kill me! I come with you, Tauriel! Evangeline Lilly: Only if we have the same hairstyle!
Pfff, really Olando, Tolkien said it himself: he NEVER intended LotR to be an analogy to WW2, the Cold War or anything like that. There is little to analize in the books because Tolkien didn't want it to be analized in such a way.
I don't know what Halt and Catch Fire is.... and I don't want to watch it anyways. I have heard of it, and seen it on RUclips, for videos, so..... Yea.
@@TigerPrawn_I disagree. I absolutely love the direction each character went in S2, and then in S3 the scale is much wider. It keeps getting better, and the depth gets richer with each character’s personality & relations to each other. For anyone wanting to watch - do it!! It is criminally underrated. It’s on AMC for anyone wondering.
No, it was not a joke. She has talked about this before in another interview, simply reasoning that times were different, but I can always sense a little, tiny spark of annoyance in her whenever she speaks of this. This debate about Tolkien's female characters is older than this interview anyway. What I wanted to say is that Tolkien wrote women beautifully and he placed them on a different level - pure, brave, untainted and like the rocks that, more or less, managed to steady and balance some of his more, for lack of a better word, unstable male characters. Think Feanor and Nerdanel, or Morwen and Hurin, even Luthien and Beren or Aragorn and Arwen to a degree. That is why this debate makes me sad, because I know how much he valued women and how tenderly he wrote of them, actually idealising them so much that just by reading the books I, as a woman, always feel extremely flattered. All I'm saying is that it is much more than what she thinks it is. Also, a joke is never just a joke, it comes from a certain thought process and many times hides truth.
FataVerde She has read the Silmarillion though, every day she was on the set, when she was in hair & make up every morning, she would read it. And if you read her recent interview with TheOneRingnet, she explained it all. And you'll find her a really wonderful, amazing woman :)
I'm glad to hear it then! I didn't say she isn't a good woman, she seems very sweet in these interviews, it was just my feeling that her opinion was based only on what she heard of the writings and not on her own experience with them. Maybe this video was filmed before she read the book.
Interesting interview, well notice from Lee Pace that Tolkien had all the Kings under ground and also interesting Orlando bloom brought up the apparel between the LOTRS and Adolf Hitler, so many lies about that character put in main stream media. After hearing that it is obvious Orlando bloom knows more than he allows people to know about him😎 it would be great to interview Orlando bloom further on this matter ☀️☀️☀️
He wrote the damn Hobbit story for his son when he was young. It wasn't even really ment to be published ! His son wanted to hear a fascinating story and there has not always be a woman and he was writing on middle-earth and also his FEMALE characters when he was 6 years old. 6 YEARS ! Just a little information... also on wikipedia. :D
I dont think he hated women he just had an idealstic view of women which he reflected into his female characters who are weak ( as in uninteresting , boring blame and very much an extension of her male lovers arm ) however I view this as him just being a man of his time from Eton . I just thought to myself when coming across a female character in his books as " here we go again , pedestal time " 😁. One expectional note is Galadriel who is more fleshed out and not so high on a pedestal and had ambition of her own and had her own personal character . Forget Eowyn as well who got fed up of being put on a pedestal . Then again so did Galdriel .... Oh and Andreth had a bit more about her ... She's not as well known . She wasn't for sitting on a pedestal ethier ... He was however prejuced towards the working class , whom the orcs where based on .
Does Tolkien hate women? Really? Her character doesn't even exist! She's obviously never read a single Tolkien book. Who does she think Galadriel and Eowyn were? Footnotes? Hello! Eowyn was only the total amazon of the story! Not to mention all of the material that was written in the Silmarillion, Tales, etc. Clueless. She may say she's read this stuff, but obviously didn't retain any of it, or pay attention to it.
and she realises her character doesn't exist, that's part of the reason why she hesitated at first before joining the cast because she knew there would be people who disliked characters who weren't in the books.
Those are the only female two characters who stand out however . The others are weak and not interesting Doesn't mean he hates women ethier I think she just worded it poorly .
The worst thing about this video was watching a good woman make a good statement, and then immediately being faced with the uncomfortable backlash from her male counterparts, and... then... she apologised. She did not need to apologise for her statement, I also see that Tolkein has zero interest in the existence of women beyond their ability to be 'loving'.
I love how the interviewer congratulated Lee on Halt and Catch Fire, it's a great show and all of the cast deserve the highest of respect for it. I think mentioning that in the interview really delighted him. So thanks a lot for that :)
Finally someone wrote about this great series. I love Halt and Catch Fire
Orlando Bloom and Evangeline have the same hairstyle xxD
Lia Liana lmao I just now noticed that 😂
Lia Liana shush
LOL
XD it's true
1:17 Evangeline's reaction to thinking about Lee Pace face sitting.
Tolkien respected women very much
In fact he put them up on a pedestal. And that's very clear in the female characters he created. They were noble and courageous with high character and in the case of Galadrial she was not only a great leader and warrior she was a person of great wisdom and spirituality. They were special, stood out in his stories, and were clear points of focus.
+Susan Exler I agree. I don't why she would think that Tolkien hated women when he created Galadriel, Luthien, and Eowyn. They were strong women in their own way
He put them on a pedestal not because he respected them but that was what his ideal women would be like . Like most men of his time and social class , not because he hated women .
Galadriel and Eowyn are exceptions in that they are more well rounded and fleshed out than other female characters. The rest of them are weak and pretty boring .
Of course they stand out when there's like 3 women in 3 whole books.
@@May04bwu mood
I also read that on a personal level Tolkien respected, appreciated, and loved his wife immensely
Interviewer: “how was the after party last night?”
Orlando Bloom: *very seriously* “long”
I love him so much💕😂😂
Lee's facial expressions through the whole interview are a bless
"late" after party 😂
Lee Pace is perfect!
lee giggled in 3:48, i put my face on the screen and said "MY PRECIOUSSS!" XD
I don't get why he laughed, maybe because it was funny?
Orlando reminds me consistently of a little boy who can't sit still.
XDDD
Me. In class everyday.
LMAOO YES
she's lucky to be sitting between them.
They are lucky to seat next to her.
Gloria Regali that’s the comment I was looking for!!!!
@@gloriaregali9090 😳😒😏NOT
I cant believe Legolas is older than his father 😂😂
"I don't have time for TV" she was in Lost for 6 years
oh, that's why she seems so familiar
0:19 your perfect Orlando, that’s a really low voice, you and leggy are just perfect
Orlando looks so tired
six SIX *SIX* LoTR franchise movies!!!!
Tolkien was a Beowulf fan and there are a lot of caves in that story. Beowulf slays Grendel's mother in a cave and then he is killed by and kills the dragon for it's hoard in a cave (in the book). Also, there is probably something about a cave as a container of power (personal power and/or wealth) and also secrets - both of which concepts are very key to Kings. Can also think of the cave as a symbol of what is unconscious and b/c kings wield so much power you have to be very careful about triggering their unconscious patterns b/c they can lash out unconsciously with great and destructive power. So, a cave is a channeling of power, secrets, threatening of violence, probably also a sense of hoarding/hiding away/isolation (the isolation of power), and desire to protect oneself within a fortress (in this sense, the cave) - removed from others, a passage to the underworld of what is hidden and unseen (people in power hide a lot of 'stuff'). The cave is a symbol and an archetype. I'm sure Jung would recognize it. ... as for the women issue, he started writing his LOTR-type universe in the trenches of WWI where there weren't many women, but I don't think that fully explains it as the Hobbit was finished in the 30's and the LOTR in 40's (or 50's). So, it's a good question. But the archetype of the time was for men to be the ones out and about soldiering, adventuring. Women were more the guardians of the hearth (Rosey Cotton) but we do see ome conflict there with Eowyn who is relegated to protecting the hearth which she heartily resents, finally disguising herself as a male soldier so as to fight. So, she may be representative of the changing times of the 1940's... a woman trying to break the stereotypes as did numerous women in WWII with Rosey the Riveter (Rosey Cotton?) back on the home front taking the place of men in the factories, female soldiers, etc. Eowyn actually dressed as a man and went to battle. There are numerous tales, legends, and real accounts of that happening that I think Tolkien would have known about (Joan of Arc for one).
Power in the dark as Samual Huntington puts it...
Lee Pace: Are you ready to be die for a Dwarf?
Orlando Bloom: If you need to hurt her, you must kill me! I come with you, Tauriel!
Evangeline Lilly: Only if we have the same hairstyle!
Evangeline and Orlando have the same haircut
Pfff, really Olando, Tolkien said it himself: he NEVER intended LotR to be an analogy to WW2, the Cold War or anything like that. There is little to analize in the books because Tolkien didn't want it to be analized in such a way.
That suprised me
this!
Can't wait for Halt and Catch Fire S2
I don't know what Halt and Catch Fire is.... and I don't want to watch it anyways. I have heard of it, and seen it on RUclips, for videos, so..... Yea.
Katherine B but it's good!
For anyone reading this, season 1 is pretty much the best season - the rest you can miss
@@TigerPrawn_I disagree. I absolutely love the direction each character went in S2, and then in S3 the scale is much wider. It keeps getting better, and the depth gets richer with each character’s personality & relations to each other.
For anyone wanting to watch - do it!! It is criminally underrated. It’s on AMC for anyone wondering.
I can't wait! My dad ordered The Hobbit for me, and I get it in 3 days! I AM SO EXCITED!!!😃😃😃 (The book)
Orlando just woke up
"Do you hate women?" Evangeline should actually read the books, and especially The Sillmarillion. :/
Maybe that was a joke...
No, it was not a joke. She has talked about this before in another interview, simply reasoning that times were different, but I can always sense a little, tiny spark of annoyance in her whenever she speaks of this. This debate about Tolkien's female characters is older than this interview anyway. What I wanted to say is that Tolkien wrote women beautifully and he placed them on a different level - pure, brave, untainted and like the rocks that, more or less, managed to steady and balance some of his more, for lack of a better word, unstable male characters. Think Feanor and Nerdanel, or Morwen and Hurin, even Luthien and Beren or Aragorn and Arwen to a degree. That is why this debate makes me sad, because I know how much he valued women and how tenderly he wrote of them, actually idealising them so much that just by reading the books I, as a woman, always feel extremely flattered.
All I'm saying is that it is much more than what she thinks it is. Also, a joke is never just a joke, it comes from a certain thought process and many times hides truth.
FataVerde She has read the Silmarillion though, every day she was on the set, when she was in hair & make up every morning, she would read it. And if you read her recent interview with TheOneRingnet, she explained it all. And you'll find her a really wonderful, amazing woman :)
I'm glad to hear it then! I didn't say she isn't a good woman, she seems very sweet in these interviews, it was just my feeling that her opinion was based only on what she heard of the writings and not on her own experience with them. Maybe this video was filmed before she read the book.
FataVerde She said somewhere she'd been reading Tolkien since she was a teenager
These three, especially Lee and Orlando are huge LoTR nerds. You can tell 😂
Great job. Thank you for this.
I Love very much Lee Pace 💗💗💗💞💞💖💖💕💕
Lee is perfect
I'd love to go to a party with these people. A few cocktails and they could be really fun!
Interesting interview, well notice from Lee Pace that Tolkien had all the Kings under ground and also interesting Orlando bloom brought up the apparel between the LOTRS and Adolf Hitler, so many lies about that character put in main stream media.
After hearing that it is obvious Orlando bloom knows more than he allows people to know about him😎
it would be great to interview Orlando bloom further on this matter ☀️☀️☀️
Ronan, Wasp, and Will Turner
I, I have a question what is in the green drink??????
I saw distance between Evangeline and Orlando,but I didnt see thiswhen she talked to Lee ,by the way good job collider
how beautiful Lee is. 💗
He wrote the damn Hobbit story for his son when he was young.
It wasn't even really ment to be published !
His son wanted to hear a fascinating story and there has not always be a woman and he was writing on middle-earth and also his FEMALE characters when he was 6 years old. 6 YEARS !
Just a little information... also on wikipedia. :D
Jealous of those people who got to sit on Lee's face...
1:12 Mr. Lee Interrupted Grinner Pace...:-(
That laugh 😍
Evie: Because I respect the dude... I respect professor Tolkien 🤣
Why does Orlando look so much like Harry styles
I dont think he hated women he just had an idealstic view of women which he reflected into his female characters who are weak ( as in uninteresting , boring blame and very much an extension of her male lovers arm ) however I view this as him just being a man of his time from Eton . I just thought to myself when coming across a female character in his books as " here we go again , pedestal time " 😁.
One expectional note is Galadriel who is more fleshed out and not so high on a pedestal and had ambition of her own and had her own personal character .
Forget Eowyn as well who got fed up of being put on a pedestal . Then again so did Galdriel ....
Oh and Andreth had a bit more about her ... She's not as well known . She wasn't for sitting on a pedestal ethier ...
He was however prejuced towards the working class , whom the orcs where based on .
Does Tolkien hate women? Really? Her character doesn't even exist! She's obviously never read a single Tolkien book. Who does she think Galadriel and Eowyn were? Footnotes? Hello! Eowyn was only the total amazon of the story! Not to mention all of the material that was written in the Silmarillion, Tales, etc. Clueless. She may say she's read this stuff, but obviously didn't retain any of it, or pay attention to it.
she's been reading Tolkien since she was a teenager.
if you read her interview with TheOneRingNet, she explains it, and you can see she's actually a nice person.
and she realises her character doesn't exist, that's part of the reason why she hesitated at first before joining the cast because she knew there would be people who disliked characters who weren't in the books.
Those are the only female two characters who stand out however . The others are weak and not interesting
Doesn't mean he hates women ethier
I think she just worded it poorly .
Ok Orlando, Tolkien specifically said that his books aren't a parallel to ww2, also hobbit was written before ww2 so... wrong. xD
I love Evie.
The worst thing about this video was watching a good woman make a good statement, and then immediately being faced with the uncomfortable backlash from her male counterparts, and... then... she apologised. She did not need to apologise for her statement, I also see that Tolkein has zero interest in the existence of women beyond their ability to be 'loving'.
why is orlando wearing the exact same outfit while the other 2 don't lol
Interview be like “that’s a joke but not really”, “this is a serious question but not really”. Jeez… 🤷🏼♂️
Our elves look tired, and the journalist doesn't care about this. Not nice, really not nice ...
Poor (hung over?) Orlando?
I'm legit bi
lee is bi
I don't think Orlando like the interviewer.
That actress is utterly ignorant .
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Evangeline's dress is truly awful.
lee giggled in 3:48, i put my face on the screen and said "MY PRECIOUSSS!" XD
XDDD
Omgggg