Or very stupid. I met Charlie once lovely fella but not the smartest he tried to live of his name and celebrity and that's how he got fitted up bragging that he could get any amount of cocaine even though he was never actually involved in the drug trade 😅
I'm not a big kray lover like some that put them on a hero pedestal,but there's guys who cut up women that got less , so getting 30 years for killing a villian each seems a bit harsh no disrespect to the families of the dead guys.
I think Ronnie should’ve went to broadmoor hospital right from the start and Reggie should’ve gotten out either after Ronnie passed away. Iron the 30 years.
A splendid video, Rich. As usual, the photos and drawings are well chosen and add a great deal to your video. Perhaps they should have just given the defendants football jerseys to wear with numbers on them; Ron # 1, Reggie # 2 and so on. Ron should never have taken the stand. They probably would have been found guilty anyway, but Ron just made things worse for himself. Thank you for this and all of your videos. Do take care, Rich.
Yes he should. He was their cousin and told the police everything. It was because of him more than anyone else that reggie was convicted of killing Jack the hat. Yet it was he ronnie hart who had hold of McVitie and was egging him on to kill him.
Geoffrey Cliff he lied in court and when they twins got sent down he met foreman’s wife and a private investigator to tell the truth and the police shut it down and covered it up
Do a video of Eric Mason who Frankie Fraser axed in the head leaving his hand stuck to his head, i knew one of Eric's sons Michael, Eric was a heavy duty guy who hunted Fraser after that attack.
A few days after conviction, Ronnie made the jailers laugh when he sent off for a load of holiday brochures. Police got witnesses to lie. One witness said they had met up in a cafe one Sunday. He was quite adamant about this particular day. When the cafe owner was in court, he revealed that his cafe had never ever opened on a Sunday. Nipper promised all sorts to the witnesses. Like the council house for the barmaid.
They both should have been hung by the neck. But being locked up till their death was sufficient. Absolute sociopaths....who the he'll did they think they were
Nipper done what the police always done back then and probably still do .that is pay of witnesses with favours like dropping any charges against them 😅
Hi Rich2015 yes mate i lived in the council flats amhurst road from 1948 until 1959, when i was clobberd for national service which i did'nt like at all, so i went on the trot for three years, i had a lot of good friends who saw me ok. You mentiond Barry's dance hall in the Narroway Mare street i well remember the incedent there very well, i apologize for crappy spelling, thanks again have a good one.
Mad frankie fraser as a character witness is hilarious lol that's like Albert speer calling on adolf hitler as a character witness for him at the nuremberg trials 😂😂 Ronnie kray really didn't think that one through 🤦♂️ who knows maybe Ronnie done it for a laugh
There isn't too much information on it.If you watch Reggies last interview documentary it is mention in that by Albert Donoghue and John Dickson. The Victim was Charles "Nobby" Clarke,although in John Pearsons books he is called Frederick .....but it was Nobby Clarke
Thanks very good video. Seems like a trial full of mind games. Even the numbers round there necks was to see who the hard core members were you get reg Ron foreman all chucking them back . It showed them who wasnt as strong aswell so they get a idea of hierarchy
Smashed it out of the park again Rich. As regards the sentences R&R got, its NOT about what they actually did its ONLY about what they were charged with and were then convicted of in court. So based on that and that alone, it should of been maybe been 15 years tops. Though the digging would then of continued and they would of been back in court for other stuff, and given more bird, so prob would of ended up with 30 years in the end. They just did in one shot sentence wise.
Yeah i kind of looked at it as a whole on what they done but even then i can't see 30 years for it all but that is going by todays standards i suppose.Jack Whomes is out on day release and he had a hand in 3 murders so they say and he wil be out soon after about 23 years or so...
@@Richie2015 Agreed, but the Krays were seen as much more of a danger to society as a whole. After the Boothby (?) thing, and having at least some connections with the US Mafia, their cards were marked from high up. Jack Whomes "Just" had a hand (apparently) in the death of three unpleasant drug dealers ,so he was never going to get the same sort of sentence as the Krays he was not seen as a risk or a challenge to those in power.. The Krays had become too powerful for those in power, with their celebrity friends and the like. Once they were in prison I doubt they were ever going to be let out., though I have to say, they maybe didn't do themselves any favours when they were inside with all the books, films Etc Etc
So there was plenty of crime just for the two of them to do the time though. Benevolent villans ready to take a rap for the crew that obviously would be a showbiz version of it.
Not really...nonce cases don't even serve a 3rd of what they did...i know what's the worst crime...Krays were political prisoners and would never be set free.
A remarkably dim pair.But they made a good brand image because they hired David Bailey to do their PR photographs.All that fame and power and they could barely afford to buy a box of matches by the time the police were allowed to arrest them.Other 'big' gangsters mocked them. The Richardsons made more money in a day than the Krays made a month.They just didn't want to be celebrities.The Richardson's were genuinely hard men too.The Krays needed to outnumber their opposition 5 to 1 or have all the weapons before they played rough.
Tavy@ it was an unfair trial from the start. Why were they both tried for 2 murders at the same time as if they both murderd 2 people wich wasnt true as we all know. So if found guilty they were given life with a 30 year rec, when really reg and ron shouldv been tried seperatly. But they couldnt do that becouse reg didnt kill 2 people and neither did ron becouse the evidence wasnt there. Becouse its not true reg didnt kill 2 men nor did ron. I cant believe how the court was allowed to get away with that. What were ron and regs qc's saying about all this kangaroo court farce was totally out with the law.
I come out after doing a 45 rec...Had my head take both barrels at point blank while doing pavement work ..i was feared n respected in equal measures...Then got pinched again n did a back to back 24 recs.....im 35 next week n gonna write a book n film.....wat u looking at..??
Reggie should have got life but 33 years when really his head was fucked n person he killed was a big criminal...Anybody else would be out by 15 if behaved n remorse etc...Still got away with a lot....or did they really
As pointed out by a viewer Chris and Tony Lambrianou got life with 15 year recommended not 20 recommended
Blimey , you know things are bad when you get ‘ mad’ Frankie as your character witness 🤣🤣
Or very stupid. I met Charlie once lovely fella but not the smartest he tried to live of his name and celebrity and that's how he got fitted up bragging that he could get any amount of cocaine even though he was never actually involved in the drug trade 😅
I'm not a big kray lover like some that put them on a hero pedestal,but there's guys who cut up women that got less , so getting 30 years for killing a villian each seems a bit harsh no disrespect to the families of the dead guys.
Your video was more informative than all the feature films combined. Fair play to you and well done
Thank you Paul,very kind of you to say mate
Superb video Rich, really enjoyed this one.
Cheers Stigg
another awesome vid ,, thanks Rich..
Ron hated frank he called him the poison dwarf
I think Ronnie should’ve went to broadmoor hospital right from the start and Reggie should’ve gotten out either after Ronnie passed away. Iron the 30 years.
Love your videos. There is so many conflicting stories and yours seem to be the most believable.
Thank you Christy
Thanks Rich, great content as usual 👍.
Cheers John
Waiting for 8pm! - Well Done on over 5K subscribers now too!
Thank you ash
Brilliant rich the one I’ve been waiting for
Thanks Tom
Great video as always rich cheers
Thank you mate
That was a great video thanks for uploading it really enjoyed it 👍
Thank you Robin
Looking forward to this one guys.
Fantastic video, thanks for the upload
A splendid video, Rich. As usual, the photos and drawings are well chosen and add a great deal to your video. Perhaps they should have just given the defendants football jerseys to wear with numbers on them; Ron # 1, Reggie # 2 and so on. Ron should never have taken the stand. They probably would have been found guilty anyway, but Ron just made things worse for himself. Thank you for this and all of your videos. Do take care, Rich.
Thanks Jim.Yeah it seemed a bit of a mistake Ronnie taking the stand but like you say they would have been found guilty anyway
Ronnie hart should have been in the dock with them but the snake did a deal with the old bill
And it was all lies what he said and he tried to retract his statement but it was all covered up by nipper Reid
@@Ironz89 👍👍
Yes he should. He was their cousin and told the police everything. It was because of him more than anyone else that reggie was convicted of killing Jack the hat. Yet it was he ronnie hart who had hold of McVitie and was egging him on to kill him.
Geoffrey Cliff he lied in court and when they twins got sent down he met foreman’s wife and a private investigator to tell the truth and the police shut it down and covered it up
So many of these old school villains soon forgot their old school values as soon as it benefited them and quickly turned QE
Another great job, Rich.
Thank you Johnny
Nipper Read was crying with joy when the Krays were found guilty.
Learned a lot watching this one. Thanks.
No you haven't. You learnt about the Krays which is pointless.
Good work once again rich 👍👍👏👏👏
Thanks Mick
Brilliant video and just added the group 👍🏽👍🏽
Thanks Eddie and welcome to the group
Do a video of Eric Mason who Frankie Fraser axed in the head leaving his hand stuck to his head, i knew one of Eric's sons Michael, Eric was a heavy duty guy who hunted Fraser after that attack.
Don't really know too much about Eric Mason but i do mention him in my "The Firm" video
@@Richie2015 there is a video, and it's nothing like frankys version
Platt Mills said reg could of got a lesser conviction but wouldn't admit his breakdown of frans death,,,he said it made him seem weak....
Graham Broughton Typical man 🤦🏻♀️
A few days after conviction, Ronnie made the jailers laugh when he sent off for a load of holiday brochures. Police got witnesses to lie. One witness said they had met up in a cafe one Sunday. He was quite adamant about this particular day. When the cafe owner was in court, he revealed that his cafe had never ever opened on a Sunday. Nipper promised all sorts to the witnesses. Like the council house for the barmaid.
Nipper only did what the krays had already done in previous cases like getting to the jury
The judge told the jury to ignore the evidence of the owner of Pelici's cafe
They both should have been hung by the neck. But being locked up till their death was sufficient. Absolute sociopaths....who the he'll did they think they were
Nipper done what the police always done back then and probably still do .that is pay of witnesses with favours like dropping any charges against them 😅
Cheers again Rich mate 🤝🫡👍🏻
Hi Rich2015 yes mate i lived in the council flats amhurst road from 1948 until 1959, when i was clobberd for national service which i did'nt like at all, so i went on the trot for three years, i had a lot of good friends who saw me ok. You mentiond Barry's dance hall in the Narroway Mare street i well remember the incedent there very well, i apologize for crappy spelling, thanks again have a good one.
Very interesting Brian,thanks for that
Mad frankie fraser as a character witness is hilarious lol that's like Albert speer calling on adolf hitler as a character witness for him at the nuremberg trials 😂😂 Ronnie kray really didn't think that one through 🤦♂️ who knows maybe Ronnie done it for a laugh
Charlie Kray called Fraser as a character witness at his last trial and got 12 years. I never heard about him being a character witness for Ronnie 😂
@@michaelharrison3602 Ronnie called Fraser up as a character witness at his 1969 trial too
Dolly just growled out of sleep when you said that heart name
Too harsh ? Too lenient in my view 🙄
Love your videos. I wrote to reggie in the 90s got a letter back from him. But lost it while moving home. Keep them coming.
Cheers dean,thats a shame you lost the letter,its good he replied though
Excellent
You mentioned in Reggie's video about him shooting a guy for saying something about Frances ? Is there any more info on that incident?
There isn't too much information on it.If you watch Reggies last interview documentary it is mention in that by Albert Donoghue and John Dickson. The Victim was Charles "Nobby" Clarke,although in John Pearsons books he is called Frederick .....but it was Nobby Clarke
Thanks very good video. Seems like a trial full of mind games. Even the numbers round there necks was to see who the hard core members were you get reg Ron foreman all chucking them back . It showed them who wasnt as strong aswell so they get a idea of hierarchy
Smashed it out of the park again Rich. As regards the sentences R&R got, its NOT about what they actually did its ONLY about what they were charged with and were then convicted of in court. So based on that and that alone, it should of been maybe been 15 years tops. Though the digging would then of continued and they would of been back in court for other stuff, and given more bird, so prob would of ended up with 30 years in the end. They just did in one shot sentence wise.
Yeah i kind of looked at it as a whole on what they done but even then i can't see 30 years for it all but that is going by todays standards i suppose.Jack Whomes is out on day release and he had a hand in 3 murders so they say and he wil be out soon after about 23 years or so...
@@Richie2015 Agreed, but the Krays were seen as much more of a danger to society as a whole. After the Boothby (?) thing, and having at least some connections with the US Mafia, their cards were marked from high up. Jack Whomes "Just" had a hand (apparently) in the death of three unpleasant drug dealers ,so he was never going to get the same sort of sentence as the Krays he was not seen as a risk or a challenge to those in power.. The Krays had become too powerful for those in power, with their celebrity friends and the like. Once they were in prison I doubt they were ever going to be let out., though I have to say, they maybe didn't do themselves any favours when they were inside with all the books, films Etc Etc
Great channel !
I am glad they served 30 yrs they were dangerous dudes 😮
So there was plenty of crime just for the two of them to do the time though. Benevolent villans ready to take a rap for the crew that obviously would be a showbiz version of it.
Nicely made dude 😀
Murder is murder is murder - end of!
Teale brothers 3 rats waited until the krays was long dead before speaking up
Their book should have been subtitled "we were Ronnie Kray's bu mboys
Bloody hell Rich. Your views have shot up!
Yeah its been a crazy month.Not sure if it will continue though
@@Richie2015 it will bruv. You are good and your channel has real value.
Just so u know... Tommy Welsh (the bear) refused to grass up the twins, and ended up doing 3 yrs.,..
Total police cover up. 30 years too long for these lads.
@@The.panthera. FECK OFF
I'm off drinking Gin so will check the new video out tomm.
I've read an awful lot about the krays and they deserved Avery day in prison they got.
Not really...nonce cases don't even serve a 3rd of what they did...i know what's the worst crime...Krays were political prisoners and would never be set free.
paul kelly ... absolutely
Absolutely, nounces don't get long enough, but the krays should have done longer but they died to soon
Ronnie shouldn't have stood trial he was insane
@@juracalling2471 dosnt matter he was certified manny years before shooting anybody
Good videos
Thank you Jaswinder
I like to think it would have been a "whole life" sentence today.
It probably wouldn't even have got past the committal stage today 😅child murderers who were put away after the Krays were released sooner
The Lambrianous got 15 year recommendation not 20
Chris shouldn’t of got a day
Yes you are quite correct on that,thanks
A remarkably dim pair.But they made a good brand image because they hired David Bailey to do their PR photographs.All that fame and power and they could barely afford to buy a box of matches by the time the police were allowed to arrest them.Other 'big' gangsters mocked them. The Richardsons made more money in a day than the Krays made a month.They just didn't want to be celebrities.The Richardson's were genuinely hard men too.The Krays needed to outnumber their opposition 5 to 1 or have all the weapons before they played rough.
I doubt you would make that remark if you was in the same room as them...
@@christopherrock4228 Not if they were armed and i wasn't. Otherwise- no problem.
Yes its trev dec singer can't wait for the news of the krays I'm so excited about what happened to them
Great
We need a freddie Mills one rich
Big Albert 😭, big grass, do the crime can't do the time
Fool
Very interesting!
What happened to the barlady who grassed ?
She never got her council house😂😂
Tavy@ it was an unfair trial from the start. Why were they both tried for 2 murders at the same time as if they both murderd 2 people wich wasnt true as we all know. So if found guilty they were given life with a 30 year rec, when really reg and ron shouldv been tried seperatly. But they couldnt do that becouse reg didnt kill 2 people and neither did ron becouse the evidence wasnt there. Becouse its not true reg didnt kill 2 men nor did ron. I cant believe how the court was allowed to get away with that. What were ron and regs qc's saying about all this kangaroo court farce was totally out with the law.
The exitmant of court was over.. Court ain't exiting mate.. Exiting to watch.. Not exiting to be in it.. Glamour ended when they got nicked
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I come out after doing a 45 rec...Had my head take both barrels at point blank while doing pavement work ..i was feared n respected in equal measures...Then got pinched again n did a back to back 24 recs.....im 35 next week n gonna write a book n film.....wat u looking at..??
Reggie should have got life but 33 years when really his head was fucked n person he killed was a big criminal...Anybody else would be out by 15 if behaved n remorse etc...Still got away with a lot....or did they really