THANK YOU VERY MUCH For making this video it was done very well I know you didn’t have a lot of original material to work with but you managed to get some great pictures I haven’t seen before!! It’s been said so many times that he didn’t touch her and yet no one seems to know why? I think it’s the same situation as Elvis Presley and his beautiful younger wife who didn’t touch her for years I think he respected her and held her on such a pedastool as a beautiful young , and virtuous princess that it would have taken time to bond which they never did? Just a guess it seems so strange he loved her so much!
Thank you Lisa. It has been noted before that Reggie for all his good looks,he just wasn't very good with the women. I am not sure he knew how to be with a woman. But who knows
I never really thought about until now, but you really shined light of reality on the Frances/Ron interface. Frances was a direct comepetator with Ron for Reggie’s attention, and Ron was ruthless by nature. The marriage was doomed from the start and I think Frances really believed she could pull Reg away from the life of a gangster. The Tom Hardy film ”Legend” addresses what Frances hoped for pretty well. It is so sad how the marriage played out with Frances being in a totally hopeless relationship. The marriage outcome was so predictable as you point out so well. Sad, so sad, and she was only 23. Thank you, Rich for another outstanding video. Do take care.
Yeah it was a difficult situation for her. Like you say Ron was ruthless by nature and liked to get his own way. Probably the way he was brought up by violet with the twins being the center of attention. I think she bestowed extra love on Ronnie and gave him more attention as she nearly lost him to diphtheria,so he was used to having want he wants
Another great video ! Reggie & Frances is such a sad story. I believe they both loved each other but Frances was in the middle of her parents vs Reggie as well as Ronnie. That probably was so hard on her chronic depression. I wish Reggie would of put some distance between himself and Ronnie... maybe things could of been different. Despite it all, Reggie is back with Frances in heaven ❤❤❤
Great video Rich 👍 obsessed with watching these videos on the Kray twins Frances was absolutely stunning such a shame what happened to her, have you read anything on Ronnie’s girlfriend Monica she was never mentioned in any documentaries she’s only mentioned in their books X
Thank Sabina. I have only read what you have about Monica and that she died with Bobby Buckley in the 1970s from a drugs overdose. There is not much else known about her unfortunately
The looks, even though twins, they were so different. Tom Hardy, the handsome Reggie and the brooding Ronnie. I knew about the Krays, then saw the picture of the 2, portrayed by Hardy, 'Legend' film, I selected then realized he was both of them. Such a great film, he really put forth the 2 men at their best and worst. I've seen other films, this one is easier to watch. Hardy's acting, Emily was great, her saying how good Tom was, when Reggie, she could feel 'safe', and then he became Ronnie, she shudders, saying he was remarkable, how in 1 1/2 hour time, he was Ronnie, and was frightening to see and feel how Hardy could get her scared.
@@NSB96 Thanks for the head's up. I've never seen it but I just looked it up and it looks like a seriously brutal movie. I was 56 in 2009 so I hope I can handle it like you did. lol :o)
@@tonithenightowl1836 Haha definitely a classic movie that doesn’t get spoken about enough in regards to the other cult classics … I think you will enjoy it if you’re into uk gangster type films
Another great video. I feel so sorry for Frances but I think she must have felt trapped. I saw a clip where Albert Donoghue said she couldn't just get a divorce like regular people. If she had met someone else Reggie would have probably had the guy killed. She was in a no win situation.
He liked effeminate looking lads too . The marriage to Frances was not consumated , Albert Donahue stated that . Reggie shared a cell with a young looking( 26 looked 16 ! ) Paul Henry in HMP Wayland and left him in his Will £10,000 . That is a matter of public record .
@@johnniethepom7545 Ronnie was gay so I suppose it would follow that his identical twin brother would also be gay. However I never heard anything about Reggie's homosexuality until he died.
Could you do a video on the battle of mr smiths? It’s the only major event I feel like I need to know more about. Thanks, and your videos are really good!
Completely agree, it gets mentioned in videos, I remember seeing Eddie Richardson give an account of it but never really understood what happened and why. It directly led to the George Cornell murder so is really important.
Frances couldn't understand why Reg stayed away from her physically.. she probably thought he found her repulsive and physically ugly. This would have seriously affected her self esteem and confidence. She simply would believe its her fault being a innocent young women.. She would hav no idea Reggie was attracted to men in that way Not women
Gay men do marry and have children. I can't see how any man, gay or straight, could find Frances repulsive and physically ugly. She must have known how attractive she was
Brown Church (edit) or Red Church its been a long time I know my Mum n Dad got married in the other one. Quite a few of my cousins and one of my Aunty's got married in the church that held the funeral of the twins
If it was anyone else but Reggie ,she d of run a mile and never bothered with him ,she must of had a fairly docile father and yes it's easy for me to say here ,but if she was my daughter I'd of been with her all the way like most father's would be ,would of allowed her to be bullied by either of them it would of been a case of ,my daughter or the krays daughter all the way and as I would with mine ,I'd kill or be killed for my daughter's the word seems to be poor Francis had a hard time ,since she had the bad luck to meet him .
It only come out that Reg was gay after he died and I did wonder if it was true. Although Ron was gay and I suppose if one identical twin is gay the other must be.
@@ruthbashford3176 Reg hayed them as much. And he liked and preferred young lads as much as Ron. This part of their weird little personalities were identical. Reg had a few more nice young lads in prison than Ron did. His wife was what is called today a 'beard'. It was for his image. he never wet his whistle in his life. Neither of them did. Yet more mythology about these jokers.
@@sassymess7111 Yes, it's called being gay.But just because a guy is gay in a macho bullshit world doesn't mean he should beat up or kill women..the way the myth makers try and comp[ose a tragic love story about him and Frances sickens me. He was why her nerves were shot and why she needed tablets. She tried getting advice from Freddie Foreman because Reggie had no 'urges'. Then she was dead. Footnote ; her brother was a baby faced guy who the twins BOTH took a shine too. (About the same time Ronnie voiced hatred about Frances and Reggie , and Reggie started having his 'little angry episodes' about his 'relationship'.).Reggie didn't have a 'show' girlfriend before Frances or after , but plenty of photographs show him with very young men.(in AND out of jail). He ( they) were little nobodies. Just a trendy 'cool' brand because they were twins.They were good branding.Nothing more.Neither went toe-to-toe unarmed one on one with anyone the same size or bigger than them.They had people hold them down or do it for them.
You keep doing it, Rich.
collectively, your mini docs. Are better than tv.
Thank you Lee,very kind of you to say mate. I am glad you enjoy them
Rich you are the MAN BRO!! GOOD WORK💯👋👋👋
Make me fuckin laugh how do people know about the krays lives
Another brilliant video!
THANK YOU VERY MUCH For making this video it was done very well I know you didn’t have a lot of original material to work with but you managed to get some great pictures I haven’t seen before!! It’s been said so many times that he didn’t touch her and yet no one seems to know why? I think it’s the same situation as Elvis Presley and his beautiful younger wife who didn’t touch her for years I think he respected her and held her on such a pedastool as a beautiful young , and virtuous princess that it would have taken time to bond which they never did? Just a guess it seems so strange he loved her so much!
Thank you Lisa. It has been noted before that Reggie for all his good looks,he just wasn't very good with the women. I am not sure he knew how to be with a woman. But who knows
I never really thought about until now, but you really shined light of reality on the Frances/Ron interface. Frances was a direct comepetator with Ron for Reggie’s attention, and Ron was ruthless by nature. The marriage was doomed from the start and I think Frances really believed she could pull Reg away from the life of a gangster. The Tom Hardy film ”Legend” addresses what Frances hoped for pretty well. It is so sad how the marriage played out with Frances being in a totally hopeless relationship. The marriage outcome was so predictable as you point out so well. Sad, so sad, and she was only 23. Thank you, Rich for another outstanding video. Do take care.
Yeah it was a difficult situation for her. Like you say Ron was ruthless by nature and liked to get his own way. Probably the way he was brought up by violet with the twins being the center of attention. I think she bestowed extra love on Ronnie and gave him more attention as she nearly lost him to diphtheria,so he was used to having want he wants
Another great video ! Reggie & Frances is such a sad story. I believe they both loved each other but Frances was in the middle of her parents vs Reggie as well as Ronnie. That probably was so hard on her chronic depression. I wish Reggie would of put some distance between himself and Ronnie... maybe things could of been different. Despite it all, Reggie is back with Frances in heaven ❤❤❤
Thank you Christy
such a beautiful girl its horrible to think that she thought suicide was the only way out of that type of lifestyle🥺❤️
She was so pretty, such a shame. RIP Frances
CONSISTENTLY GREAT VIDEOS. THANKS RICH.
Thanks James,very kind of you to say mate
Poor Francis! R.I.P. Francis.🙏
Amen 🙏
I have really enjoyed the video it was fantastic.
Cheers Mark glad you enjoyed it mate
Another good video, thanks
Thanks Mark
Such a lovely looking girl, shame her and Reggie never made it!! Great video Rich thanks a lot.
Cheers Stigg
Another great video Rich.
Thank you mate
Great video Rich 👍 obsessed with watching these videos on the Kray twins Frances was absolutely stunning such a shame what happened to her, have you read anything on Ronnie’s girlfriend Monica she was never mentioned in any documentaries she’s only mentioned in their books X
Thank Sabina. I have only read what you have about Monica and that she died with Bobby Buckley in the 1970s from a drugs overdose. There is not much else known about her unfortunately
The looks, even though twins, they were so different. Tom Hardy, the handsome Reggie and the brooding Ronnie. I knew about the Krays, then saw the picture of the 2, portrayed by Hardy, 'Legend' film, I selected then realized he was both of them. Such a great film, he really put forth the 2 men at their best and worst. I've seen other films, this one is easier to watch. Hardy's acting, Emily was great, her saying how good Tom was, when Reggie, she could feel 'safe', and then he became Ronnie, she shudders, saying he was remarkable, how in 1 1/2 hour time, he was Ronnie, and was frightening to see and feel how Hardy could get her scared.
That movie was my introduction to Tom Hardy. I think he's a brilliant actor.
@@tonithenightowl1836 Haha mine was Bronson when I was like 13 in 2009
@@NSB96 Thanks for the head's up. I've never seen it but I just looked it up and it looks like a seriously brutal movie. I was 56 in 2009 so I hope I can handle it like you did. lol :o)
@@tonithenightowl1836 Haha definitely a classic movie that doesn’t get spoken about enough in regards to the other cult classics … I think you will enjoy it if you’re into uk gangster type films
Thank you for telling the truth x
And thank you for watching it
She was a god damn knockout
Very interesting Rich. I enjoy your videos. I do find Frances life with Reg very sad. X
Thank you Vicky i am glad you enjoy the videos
Another great video. I feel so sorry for Frances but I think she must have felt trapped. I saw a clip where Albert Donoghue said she couldn't just get a divorce like regular people. If she had met someone else Reggie would have probably had the guy killed. She was in a no win situation.
That you Sarah,yes i think that is true what Albert is saying there
Fantastic ♥️
Thanks Rich 👍.
Cheers John
Bailey's 86 now 😮
Does one of those still photos show Gary Kray and Charlie Sr. behind Reggie and Frances?
Yep,just in the doorway of the church
Reggie had good taste in women, Frances is incredibly beautiful.
Haha. He never had sex with a woman. He didnt know what to do. He was as gay as his brother..
He liked effeminate looking lads too .
The marriage to Frances was not consumated , Albert Donahue stated that .
Reggie shared a cell with a young looking( 26 looked 16 ! ) Paul Henry in HMP Wayland and left him in his Will £10,000 . That is a matter of public record .
@@johnniethepom7545 Ronnie was gay so I suppose it would follow that his identical twin brother would also be gay. However I never heard anything about Reggie's homosexuality until he died.
The marriage to Francis was not consumated .
Could you do a video on the battle of mr smiths? It’s the only major event I feel like I need to know more about. Thanks, and your videos are really good!
MrSmiths was one of the most important incidents that affected both the Krays and the Richardsons yet I've never seen a documentary about it
Completely agree, it gets mentioned in videos, I remember seeing Eddie Richardson give an account of it but never really understood what happened and why. It directly led to the George Cornell murder so is really important.
My Grandad grew up in the same street. He really feared them, everyone did.
He saw them throw a cat in a fryer in a fish and chip shop!
Wow that’s mega
If that's true then why do morons worship these low fucking dirt bags?
WOT???!!!
I heard that story somewhere on RUclips. It was told as though it happened accidentally.
Very very sad poor Frances she had no hope with reg good video again rick
Another perfect video, Thanks Rich. I hope you get my email.
Thank you Sarah,i have replied to you.
Sad story I always hoped they consummated the marriage , in some of the pics they look like they were really close as a couple
Miss her brother god bleass him xx
Excellent video Rich , theirs was a marriage, not made in heaven it seems. The priest knew this .
Nice one mate
Cheers Sam
Frances couldn't understand why Reg stayed away from her physically.. she probably thought he found her repulsive and physically ugly.
This would have seriously affected her self esteem and confidence. She simply would believe its her fault being a innocent young women..
She would hav no idea Reggie was attracted to men in that way
Not women
Gay men do marry and have children. I can't see how any man, gay or straight, could find Frances repulsive and physically ugly. She must have known how attractive she was
Father's are priests not vicars. In Catholic Church they're priests in Anglican church they're vicars. Krays were Catholic 😊
Brown Church (edit) or Red Church its been a long time I know my Mum n Dad got married in the other one. Quite a few of my cousins and one of my Aunty's got married in the church that held the funeral of the twins
So tragic.
❤
If it was anyone else but Reggie ,she d of run a mile and never bothered with him ,she must of had a fairly docile father and yes it's easy for me to say here ,but if she was my daughter I'd of been with her all the way like most father's would be ,would of allowed her to be bullied by either of them it would of been a case of ,my daughter or the krays daughter all the way and as I would with mine ,I'd kill or be killed for my daughter's the word seems to be poor Francis had a hard time ,since she had the bad luck to meet him .
Frances was to fragile for that lifestyle..
He was a brown hatter
A lot of women r trying it today
It only come out that Reg was gay after he died and I did wonder if it was true. Although Ron was gay and I suppose if one identical twin is gay the other must be.
He hated women..weirdo
I think it was Ron who hated women, not Reg.
@@ruthbashford3176 Reg hayed them as much. And he liked and preferred young lads as much as Ron. This part of their weird little personalities were identical. Reg had a few more nice young lads in prison than Ron did. His wife was what is called today a 'beard'. It was for his image. he never wet his whistle in his life. Neither of them did. Yet more mythology about these jokers.
@@juracalling2471 Agreed!
@@juracalling2471
I think Reggie wanted to be attracted to Women... just couldn't get "excited".
@@sassymess7111 Yes, it's called being gay.But just because a guy is gay in a macho bullshit world doesn't mean he should beat up or kill women..the way the myth makers try and comp[ose a tragic love story about him and Frances sickens me. He was why her nerves were shot and why she needed tablets. She tried getting advice from Freddie Foreman because Reggie had no 'urges'. Then she was dead. Footnote ; her brother was a baby faced guy who the twins BOTH took a shine too. (About the same time Ronnie voiced hatred about Frances and Reggie , and Reggie started having his 'little angry episodes' about his 'relationship'.).Reggie didn't have a 'show' girlfriend before Frances or after , but plenty of photographs show him with very young men.(in AND out of jail). He ( they) were little nobodies. Just a trendy 'cool' brand because they were twins.They were good branding.Nothing more.Neither went toe-to-toe unarmed one on one with anyone the same size or bigger than them.They had people hold them down or do it for them.
In the film legend Francis commiting suicide broke me up as my own wife commuted suicide it hurt as in the real story it hurts
Sorry to hear that mate. I do wish you all the very best. This time of year must be very challenging for you
@@Richie2015 it happened in 2007 thanks mate Paul