I know it sounds dull but whenever I see the space jockey mask it looks to me like it's mimicking a face hugger attached to a host like it's a decoy not to be attacked
I'd always thought the same, and that with the fossilized theory of the ship in Alien, the Space Jockey was a fossil of whoever, with a face hugger still attached (I don't know why it would be). The appearance of the Engineer helmets in Prometheus kind of removed that though.
in the original alien it was heavily implied that the pilot was killed by the aliens. "it looks like he exploded from the inside" remember ridley obviously retconned the fossilized facehugger remains into a 'biomechanical ' helmet
Joost van der Werf agreed, although i do like the idea behind the story of the Engineers, but that's just because I'm an extraterrestrial-life freak, but yeah they should have let the Engineers be their own story and left the Space Jockey some enigmatic, freaky-cool, elephant-looking, giant mystery alien that got killed by a chest burster. It left us with two questions - what the hell is that thing? and what the hell killed it? way better that way IMHO...
That space jockey cannot be an engineer as shown in Prometheus. An engineer is about 1-2 feet taller than human. Space Jockey is 3-4x times taller than a human. Also, i belive David havent killed the engineers, i think it is an other race. Smallers, different color skin, and not fully black eyes. Roman styles, living in "cave and rock" building. Recognized how thousands of them was running to the center of town when they saw the ship is incoming? Like waiting for their "gods".
That is one thing I was hoping for. That the Engineers stumbled upon the Jockeys and revered them as gods and so tried to mimic them. Suits to look like them, copied their ship design and attempting to create the creatures that they use as the ultimate weapon.
now if scott had made a prequel back in 1980 with the same movie team then i think the results would have been epic, instead we have an artist trying to add onto a masterpiece 40 years later. It will not be the same , since he is a totally different man with different ideas then 40 yrs ago
Ridley Scott has completely lost it. Having David being the creator of the Xeno completely negates Prometheus altogether while detracting from the original Alien. Facehuggers and eggs are clearly in the mural in Prometheus but yet we're now to believe that David created them. Whoever wrote this script is a nitwit and what's even sadder is Ridley thought this was a good idea...There were a million different ways to follow Prometheus and this is what was chosen? Lunacy.
Ow you thought that was bad thanks to Covenant all the other Alien movies make no sense basically there non cannon now why, Alien takes place 18 years after Covenant so how the crashed ship had a dead engineer that was fossilized and a cargo of eggs makes no sense. What the obsession with David is i don't no the hole human making robots is boring we wanted to see the engineers making aliens and why the f is there homeworld basically earth with a temple where's the h r giger art where's a love letter to him i thought we where going to see massive li ii statue.
It would have made more sense for a Xeno to be born from an Engineer. The pressure suit in Prometheus had biomech designs in it and from what I could tell the "suit" looked organic in nature like it was fused to the last Engineer. Total letdown in my opinion.
David didnt create them though. He REcreated them once he "learned their (the Engineers') ways" (quote from the Prologue scene where he puts Shaw to sleep). Im sure we will find out in Awakening what he found out about the Engineers and thus hated them so much. I hope its not just because: "In order to create you sometimes have to destroy."
the problem is the size of the pilot is a hell of a lot larger than the engineers from prometheus and David himself was quite a bit smaller than the engineers. so I don't see how that would work
+Shin Bakurenoh The original Alien from 1979 is much more mechanoid (metal like) than we can extract from David. Besides David being not metalic enough, he neither isn't organic enough to incubate and give birth the chestburster of the original Space Jockey in LV-446. He is just synthetic, not "metalic", not "organic". The goo has nothing to do with an artificial being, just can't fit in the equation with his characteristics.
Miles Paramore unless he takes some of the black pathegon which increases his size so he can complete his final experiment of creating the perfect life form.
I am pissed...how can David be the creator of the alien when in prometheus theres a frickin wall mural of a xeno? If the mural depicts a deacon - Doesnt that make Davids creation just a hybrid, a modification, and not actually a creation? As for David being the A1979 spacejockey...and the ultimate host for the biomechanical xeno we know - I dont think I would like that - But I suspect this is where they are going with the whole creation kills creator stuff. I would rather have the xenoform be some kind of ancient species.
well the engineers could have had knowledge of what the goo would create from human(and engineer dna) so it wouldn't be that far out for there to be a mural of it where the goo was stored. also, there were no facehuggers or eggs in Prometheus. There were hammerpedes, which were a result of worms swimming in the goo, and the trilobite-like creature that attacked the surviving engineer, neither of which are the facehuggers from ailen
syntaxed2 I really think it's just a xenomorph type creature like the Neomorph, Deacon, Protomorph in the prologue David did say that he studied and learned the Engineer's ways, and had ten years to do so so maybe they created something like the Xenomorph years before with the black goo, no one ever said that it was a Xenomorph in the mural, it just resembles a Xenomorph like creature which we know that there are many of now
Yes! I've been saying this all along. My guess in a nutshell, is that he realizes how to perfect it and he pretty much says "come to papa" with a face hugger and after that gets in the suit, then chest bursts! That's where the biomechanics of the xeno we know come from.
In the original Alien when they explore the Space Jockey the camera slowly zooms in onto the Jockey's face/helmet. This would be a perfect set-up for a final "We all know who it was and how he died..." moment of that character. So yes, I think they will draw the Jockey into the plot of the final prequel.
There's enough of a gap between Covenant and Alien that it's more likely the space jockey is someone we haven't seen yet. Perhaps an engineer seeking revenge/answers on what happened to his people. I've always found it interesting that the space jockey is neatly seated where they died - it suggests they were not expecting the chestburster. Or they knew about the chestburster but had some heroic reason to stay in that seat (perhaps to make sure the ship crashed and could not complete a journey to Earth)
Here's how I see it: we'll see David not only experiment on the Covenant colonists & embryos but also himself. He'll be constantly undergoing alterations, becoming biomechanical, more cyborg than android. Perhaps he'll even add Xenomorph DNA to himself, in an effort to be one with his creations. Also at some point he'll encounter the Engineer vessel on LV-426, using it's tech to fashion a huge, custom Bio Suit so that way he can stand over the Xenos as a tall, imposing God like figure. Ultimately he's done in, killed by one of his own "children", as evidenced by The Pilot's chest wound. The signal the Nostromo crew picked up? David's final middle finger to Humanity, ensuring some poor souls would come to the planet & fall victim to his "babies."
First off, I've been loving your videos for a few weeks now. Most of what I took away from Covenant (my theories on David becoming the pilot) you mentioned in this video. I not only find the possibility of David ending up in that chair exciting, its more than disturbing. I loved Prometheus, and found its themes that humans creating beings in their own image would lead to their own downfall so intriguing and thought provoking, but about above all-disturbing. The idea of David being out in the galaxy deeming himself to now be THE new creator unbeknownst to the human race is so amazingly dark to me. I honestly find it difficult to explain in words how much LOVE this idea. The only way I describe it is as being creepy in a Lovecraftian way. That's what I loved so much about Prometheus- the elements of Lovecraft's The Mountains of Madness (You strike me as someone who may have read it, but if not I implore you and anybody to do so.) The vast unknown being far darker and sinister than you could believe. This is exactly the reason why I like how little we know about the Engineers. I could discuss this and more with you forever and a day, but ill finish by saying...I'm subscribing and keep the great debate going.
what would be cool... is if david at some point gets captured by the engineers.. he gets held up in a cell on the engineers ship.. then unleashes a queen face hugger into the ship.. ship crashes onto lv426
i hope it would turn out like something like that.. because obviously the engineer race will be pretty pissed at david.. so they might decide to try and hunt him down after the events of covenant
In aliens colonial marines if you shoot the back of the space jockeys head you actually see a recording showing the juggernaut shooting the other ship from Prometheus in the intro used by engineers the Prometheus gets shot down which could be why it crashed and may explain that hold in his chest
Interesting video, - I do like the idea of David enhancing himself and making himself more organic in an attempt to make himself even superior - and a viable host. I've also heard talk that the eggs are the result of David's experiments with the eggs and colony embryos. Saw Alien: Covenant on it's UK release night - absolutely love it!
The pilot of that ship was enormous in size.. I can't see that being David. I think it was one of the engineer's but one of the wonder's.. there greatest of engineers.
Don't you mean Walter? if he survived and gave chase in the juggernaut? Plus it is Walter who can regenerate and therefore more likely integrate with another lifeform
Fiona Willis This is something that nobody seems to be talking about. I also believe Walter is still 'alive'. Although I doubt we'll see any more of him as Ridley Scott and his writers have lost the plot churning out garbage instead.
Mr H Reviews no what gets me is that it's sad we have to result to this level of insanity. I actually am mad at Riddley Squat. Theories building up to covenant were good (if not a bit too edgy for producers) but now we have more un-answered questions and loopholes.... Oh btw next April fools can you make a theory as to why Ridley squat is sabotaging his own work?
hey, honestly - am I the only person who noticed that David channelled his inner Roy Batty with stolen line "that's the spirit!" whilst attacking Daniels? haha. loved that Easter egg
There's a second reference too....it's how Walter shuts down when he gets done in the neck. He just kind of slumps forward and shuts down, not unlike Batty. The only thing that was missing was david mocking walter with a sarcastic tears in rain speech as he walks away and, for cold, callous cunty effect, whistling the theme tune from The Six Million Dollar Man and making six million dollar man noises as he walks off smirking to himself about the six million dollar upgraded android on the floor that he just bodied with no special effort.
if this space jockey is David why would he leave Beacon that transmits danger. because in alien when Ripley decodes the beacon and it says danger. Ash lied and said muthur said it was a help transmission.
Perhaps, assuming the Space Jockey actually is David, some bizarre mutated engineer/cyborg version of himself, realising the horror he's unleashed now that he's become a victim of his own creation, he has a change of heart and decides to try and warn people away. That's one reason why I think it work nicely if David does become the Space Jockey. It would tie in with the theme of the creation destroying and creator, which has been set up in Covenant.
Sir. ShakesAlot. One reason why ash lied is because he knew without a shadow of a doubt that it was a beacon that said danger but he covered it up because the company wanted him to bring back the alien organism alive and to be honest Ripley's team was expendable
The Space Jockey has always been an enigma in the lore of Alien. Whether it is David or an Engineer, it was chestbursted or at least it appears to have been so. I liked the concept that this entity was biomechanical and a part of the ship, much harkening back to Giger's ideas. Maybe a cybernetic Engineer? or a synthetic (David) who implemented the Derelict's technology into him, explaining the size difference and what not.
To be honest Alien Covenant has left me eagerly awaiting the inevitable reboot of the Alien franchise. David creating the xenomorph is an idea that should never have gained traction, let alone become the core of the film.
Hate to say it but after watching Covenant, I can only believe that Scott was right when he said the "beast is cooked, done"...it is! The xeno in Covenant was depicted extremely well, too well infact, and it made me yearn for the restrictions of a tight rubber suit that must be kept in the shadows...but even that wouldn't work again with the xeno because it's a known quantity. "Franchise" is the same as "brand"...these are terms used to describe commercial product, so when a beloved original like Alien is described in those terms, you know that it's dead artistically speaking...oh my poor, poor big chap, RIP.
Fisticuffs between the robot and the creature...? That doesn't happen in any of the Alien movies. There is a preservation print of Alien in the archives of either the Smithsonian or Library of Congress (?), because the movie is considered to be of "cultural and artistic significance" (that's a true quote), so obviously many, many people DO infact consider Alien art, but you're entitled to your own opinion. Another opinion: Avatar is simple-minded SHIT, and many, many people agree with that aswell.
@ Bruce Wayne uniquieness is also a feature of art. it should've remained 2 movies. a brilliant horrorflick, and as for the 2nd, an amazing action movie. stop right there, move on.
oh yeah, there are a ton of great ideas, which are being rejected in favor of the next installment of a worn out franchise. the biomechanical aesthetics should be the focus when it comes to giger, not a single design. and great movies thrive of minimalism and mysteries. explaining every damn step in the making of the xenomorph and demystify the jockey just gets you in tedious movie making territory. like a chewed up gum tasting like an old n dirty sock.
I am glad we have David to course correct this because to me he's far more effective than the Xenomorph has ever been for me. I also think Ridley was right with his musings on the Xenomorph having lost all impact. For example, tons of people are nitpicking the Facehugger scene, and my theater even laughed at it audibly. The impact is completely lost as the concept is all too familiar to the audience, even if the characters in-universe obviously don't know what it is.
Mr. H’s hypotheses about David possibly incorporating his own altered makeup into the evolutionary path of the Xenomorph producing perfection is a fascinating and satisfying one. This would be an assertion of David’s achievement of taking control of his vary makeup created by humans and altering that into his own purpose driven grand creation. Thereby, ultimately taking control over his essence and evolution which was initially dictated by a flawed mankind and the limits of its technology of which he is a product of. Transcending them and becoming perfection by his own hand. I think David’s (possible) grand scheme included besting his creators by destroying the creators of his creators producing the intended or unintended result of becoming a God in the process. This seems to mirror the path Weyland ultimately took. Weyland wanted immortality. In his deleted scene in Prometheus, he equated himself with that of the Engineers / gods. He sited the creation of David being his justification and worthiness of immortality. Ironically, David has immortality but could have possibly sought validation by establishing himself as a god or the creator of gods. An inverse of Weyland but possibly producing the same result. This leads me to ask is David trying to be God or the Creator of God? Or maybe Both? Or maybe he just has daddy issues….
yes that seem like the obvious conclusion to David's actions... but something does not sit right with me. Throughout the films, David has shown a high degree of morality, feelings and contemplation.. I mean the droid was crying in almost every scene in AC..lol David... wanted to communicate with the neomorphs.. he was searching for some "humanity" within them. Once he managed to create the Xenomorph.. he helped Daniels blow it out of the air lock. His motivations and his actions do not synch with each other. I dont feel like David's ultimate goal would be to create the perfect killing machine. Seems a bit near sighted for David.
You never know with the droids from the Alien films but it seemed obvious to me that David was feeling emotion back in Prometheus. Of which Waylend corp tried to correct with Walter. Disappointment and anger seeming to be the prevalent ones. Take the pool table scene from Prometheus: David:“Why do you think your people made me?” Holloway:,“we made you because we could” David: “Can you imagin how disappointing it would be for you to hear the same thing from your creator?” After that, Holloway became David’s first test subject of the black goo. (I know, I know Wayland wanted David to “try harder” which probably meant experimenting with the black goo ...but you know David was highly P.O-ed.) To me, David trying to communicate with the Neomorphs seemed ironic because in the first scene of AC. you have David and Waylend communicating for what seems to be the first time after David was assembled. (I don’t remember what was said exactly, I only saw it one time but Wayland didn’t look too happy.) Later, in a loosely similar moment you have David trying to communicate with the Neomorph not long after it was born. Of course his moment was taken from him but he soon after had a second moment. That moment was caused by his direct action and he was there from start to finish even doing the wave with the Xenomph right after it busted out of the guys chest. (like he hit a home run) David letting Daniels and Tennessee jettison the Xeno could merely be his cold observation and analyses of his test subject’s resolve and survivability. Of which he would make adjustments. It could also be an even colder ruse to gain the trust of the crew so that he could permanently put their asses to bed. Knowing that he could make more Xenos 20k times over. I don’t think David’s goal is to create the ultimate killing machine. I think its in the realm of besting humanity by destroying it, violating it (and you can’t violate anyone worse than a Xenomph bursting out of your chest or what is implied by the ending of AC.)
Could perhaps Walter be the space jockey? We do not know what happened to him, and David looked back apprehensively when exiting the temple structure. It is possible that Walter repaired himself and, being stranded on the planet, learned about the engineer's technology, fixing the crashed croissant spacecraft and flying after the covenant... a bit crazy, but who knows?
The Space Jockey is so much bigger than the engineers shown in Prometheus and look at the difference in the arms the engineers look so stubby while the space jockeys are the length of an an adult human even though they are really Ridley Scott's kids in suits in those pics.
It feels like RS is just making it up as he goes along, not uncovering an amazing pre-existing story. The Space jockey appeared so wonderfully ancient and mysterious, now it ends up not meaning anything of the sort. Also, the great Crossing short released prior to the film's opening, was so interesting and poetic, elegantly suggesting fascinating things to come. But, to me, it turned out to be only unsatisfying horror porn. I've got to say though it was so beautifully photographed along with other satisfying aspects making me hopeful for his upcoming Alien films.
Great Video, as always. These are definitely my favourite Alien Theories. My questions are- 1.Were the Engineers really stupid enough to have only one city?! 2. Is the Docking Ship responsible for the Juggernaut crashing and has it flown off to get reinforcements to get revenge! 3.Surely, one of the engineers would have had a bloody suit to put on and avoid the black goo! 4. Why didn't David just trap Tenessee and Daniels? He had mo reason to really pretend to help them! Cheers Mr H!
Remember Walter may be still alive so he might get the ship up and running again since he a later model. He goes to find David. Walter then beats David putting him on the ship with the eggs and send it to a plant far away and just before it crash lands David pushes a destress button knowing near by humans will investigate idk
Read the Alien covenant book in it david shows a fossilized alien egg he tells the captain that the enginers made it, a super weapon that he based his work on so acorrding to the novel no David just made a copy
It was clearly mention mr H that the surface of LV426 had an atmosphere that made objects fossilise quickly meaning something even 1 year old could be fossilised as if for 1000 plus
actually it makes sense, David is kind of a psycho so it would make sense that he would want to merge with his creation and creatd the so called "ultimate organism"
That's not bad. I like it. You know what would be cool? See, David talks about how he doesn't wish to be human, the awesome line "they make you guys pretty close" and David replies "not too close I hope." What if one of the heroes of the story, as the ultimate payback to David, they infect him with the pathogen which makes him human, the one thing he hates the most. And then that's what gets him attacked by a Facehugger. That would be so cool! So yeah, your theory makes a lot of sense, I'm glad I watched this.
Yo H, Congrats to 50.000 loyal Subscribers! The Movie was great // 4.5 out of 5. Waiting for "Awakening" ;-) Very interesting Story but a few things are still missing, we all need more explanation.
+Game Inspector insanity, just realised I broke 50k can't believe it. I'm excited for the future of the franchise, it wasn't a perfect film by any stretch but it'll be interesting moving forwards!
This theory holds the most water . how a juggernaught gets full of eggs and finds its way into the story could be Walter chasing after them, OR engineers fighting back. I have a feeling though the engineers are done.
i totally had this theory going in my head before seeing this video- even left a comment with pretty much the content of this vid in another one of your videos. I think it's a very plausible theory and makes sense- but like you said, the size of the jockey makes me think it's not david or a human... unless david's mutation makes him grow in size, but i don't see that happening, doesn't seem like Scott would do that.
Ridley Scott needs to step down from the reigns of the Alien franchise. What the hell was he thinking with David being the creator of the Aliens? A few things that now do not line up... 1. The Space Jokey ship with the Alien Cargo that was dated so many years old is now BS and why would a Engineer be flying about with Davids cargo? 2. Aliens sharing same universe as Predators has now been debunked as the Aliens were not created until the year 2104 (dunno if precise date) and Predators has been fighting them for thousands of years. 3. The Alien was born not as a Chest Buster but as a Tiny Xeno. 4. The little Xeno bowed to David like it was his master, Aliens are primal hunters! They answer to the Hive not a machine! there is no doubt hundreds more things that he has screwed with aswell.
ok MR H. Going back to Prometheus. Why does no one ask what happened to the engineers, out of all the questions they ask? There was a huge crisis, they attempted a sudden evacuation (things went to pot). Their own record shows a great deal ran into the giant head room, one got caught in the closing door...and POOF when the Prometheus crew opens the door, no sign of engineers...is the room a portal? to where? what of the piles of dead engineer bodies in pressure suits? if something was released that was soo deadly, it didn't wait around for the Prometheus crew. Please discuss.
That is an interesting theory. Although David is synthetic, there are evidences that suggest there is some organic components to it. David and Ash can be seen eating and drinking on some occasions, David's hairs are growing, etc...Therefore, it would make some sense that David's body is not 100% unsensitive to the black patogen and eventually a particular type of re-engineered facehugger...
The space Jockey is a special breed of pilots that it's sole purpose is do long interstellar travel while the rest of the crew is in deep cryogenic sleep, they are living supercomputers that do complex calculations for space traveling that not even supercomputers can achieve sort of like the Space Guild Navigators (From the masterpiece film Dune)
I find it hard to believe that the suit would degrade to the extent that it appears fossilised over the course of twenty years, when several functional ones are seen in the juggernaut in Prometheus which was meant to have been there for about two thousand years.
Explain this.... Why did the black liquid create two neomorphs when it infected it's hosts in covenant but when it infected holloway in Prometheus it was mutating him?
David admits in the novelisation that the facehugger-containing egg is something the engineers left behind that he's playing with. Given his tendency towards showing off the magnificence of everything he does, for him to admit this indicates it's probably reliable. We know the Engineers have been spacefarers for many centuries. If an earlier mission to retrieve eggs from wherever they first come (or to take them somewhere once the Engineers had made them) had failed badly (for reasons we know well), this would leave the crashed ship on LV426 long enough for the Space Jockey to become fossilised as Kane describes.
This is a theory I had before Prometheus came out in cinemas, that David accidentally created the Xenomorph when messing with the Juggernaut Machines and the ship Ai scanned David so the Xeno was bio mechanical but then that film happened and the rest is history.
Also, its pretty obvious that the Space Jocky had not been on the planet for a long times as the distress call crossed the Earth-Thedus shipping line for the first time around the period when the Nostromo was on her return voyage. If the signal had been running for eons then other ships beforehand would have detected it.
I think if the engineers were space travelers, after Davids destruction, maybe some of the engineers out in space came back to the planet and got infected. Knowing about the origin of the black goo, they maybe headed that way but unknown to them they were infected or had face hugger stowaway. During the initial flight the pilot was killed and the ship went on its own in the direction of the planet before crashing.
David definitely needs to do more work to create Xenomorphs. The Protomorphs are just a prototype. Of course, it's also possible, and in fact probable, going from the mural on LV-223, that the Engineers already created Xenomorphs, and David is just trying to follow in their footsteps. I guess we'll learn in _Alien: Awakening_.
I'm guessing the FINAL product of the black goo is in fact the Xenomorph, thus explains the murals in the walls. So David just accelerated the end product result by those experiments he made. As they always say: "The perfect organism"
That's weird, I was lying awake last night thinking the exact same thing. It would make sense, but I also wonder if David purposely sacrificed himself to create the ultimate Xenomorph. A question: in all these movies that contain the crashed or landed juggernaut, I've always wondered how the ship is so easily accessible. Where on the actual ship is the front door, or entrance?
I could potentially see it going that way for sure. Possibly David trying to outstrip his android limitations by trying to become a 'real boy' through further experimentation with the black goo and maybe even engineer DNA. Perhaps somewhere along this path he ends up as a mutated engineer cyborg, much more akin to the look of what we saw in the original film. As you say, this would ultimately be his undoing, as his cargo of eggs would now be able seize on him as a potential host, resulting in the more bio mechanical look of the classic xeno. That actually makes a lot of sense to me. Will be interesting to see if that's the ultimate route they go down.
When you think about it, David's progress in his experiments are kind of backwards in what Weyland Yutani (the corporation) wants in the future, which is a perfect biological weapon. The engineers actually perfected the weapon by just having goo that could easily enter the body. Spores were a downgrade from the goo but it could at least enter a hosts body easily, then face huggers were a downgrade from the spores as it started to become more host specific as well as in the way the parasite needed to be attached to the host. A face hugger would not work on something with an incompatible head shape like a crocodile, a pelican or an elephant, but the goo and spores could.
I really hoped the bio-mech features of the final xenomorph were to be attributed to the assimilation of engineers with the suits on, something paralleling the black-goo led Fifield transformation in Prometheus..but, like many other cool plotlines I had in mind for the series, it seems a far cry from what is going to be now
I think it's one thing changing the size of the engineers from Alien to Prometheus but it would be taking things too far by scaling it down even more to a human size, just to have David be in that suit. The original Alien scene just wouldn't look right then, it's huge.
David cannot be influenced by the black goo because he is a synthetic. Like the shot in Prometheus where he has a drop of it on his finger and says, "big things have small beginnings", he knew then it would have no effect on him, so on the planet after dropping the black goo payload on the engineers (or another species seeded by them) David had ten-odd years to play with the goo.
+suolasfilms yup, but his hair also grows, they may be introducing an organic element to him and that be how he "filters" the accelerant into him. It's already been shown in comics that specific synthetics are affected
What could be is that David wanted to bombard earth with the xenomorph eggs to eliminate humans after he ran out of black goo. One facehugger goes out of control, David gets an egg inside him, and the rest is history.
What doesn't make sense is how the chemical weapon that started it all just petrifies/kills the engineers on contact during covenant but uses one as a host in Prometheus and uses Humans as hosts.
Scott should have followed H.R Giger's vision for space jockey. "The creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat, - he's integrated totally into the function he performs.The pilot is conceived as one of my biomechanoids, attached to the seat so as to form a single unit" All those years debating in avpgalaxy forums, we came from ancient non-humanoid biomechanical alien (part of biomechanical ship) fossilized thousands of years ago to david in a suit 20 years ago. Nothing is canon about alien universe. Scott just makes up things as it goes.
That does make good sense. As long as Davids new morphing has us see him as being HUGE, we can still have the HUGE space jockey so nothing changed. Also his tampering would would explain how xenos pretty much leave androids alone, whether registering them as non hostile, like family, or some trigger in their biology. The beacon could have been just an automatic signal, or the only available com system working and able to broadcast. And the petrification just a by-product of the atmosphere on the planet with substances of the ship increasing aging by a factor of x10. Like leaving paper in the sun or wet steel shovel in the rain, it just starts to deteriorate and rust in a matter of days when left to the elements. That said, I still don't like the engineers are just muscle men albinos, I liked thinking it was this elephantine giant creature. I also don't like the progenitor creator might be david and this weaponized black goo, which might just be a bad batch of black goo and the ship might for all intents and purposes been a trash hauler to dispose of the crap. For a retcon/reboot the series is good, but as a shoe horned prequel trilogy it's just bad.
I hate that they killed Shaw for no reason. It would have been better if she had never awoke and remained in cryo-sleep. Sparing her for a better sequel.
I believe that the Engineers he killed in Covenant, are not the last, possibly a different sect of the same species. At some point there should be more, and one will try to escape in a ship that has these eggs already on board, infecting the pilot, the killing him thru the chest burst event, therefore crashing on LV426 and ultimately leading to the discovery by the crew of the Nostromo.
or perhaps the ship on lv426 is a far older ship holding the original strain of the xenomorph, piloted by an engineer. what david created and what they encountered in promethius is an altered strain slowly readjusting its self to its original perfection.
I know it sounds dull but whenever I see the space jockey mask it looks to me like it's mimicking a face hugger attached to a host like it's a decoy not to be attacked
NoobwithaBrush that actually makes sense
I'd always thought the same, and that with the fossilized theory of the ship in Alien, the Space Jockey was a fossil of whoever, with a face hugger still attached (I don't know why it would be). The appearance of the Engineer helmets in Prometheus kind of removed that though.
NoobwithaBrush I always thought it looked that way too, but your decoy theory is truly insightful.
NoobwithaBrush same
in the original alien it was heavily implied that the pilot was killed by the aliens. "it looks like he exploded from the inside" remember ridley obviously retconned the fossilized facehugger remains into a 'biomechanical ' helmet
I've gotta be honest. im really more interested in the engineers. I wish they'd explore that more
I saw the original Alien in the theater when i was a kid and the space jockey was way creepier when it wasn't an engineer and wasn't a spacesuit.
Joost van der Werf agreed, although i do like the idea behind the story of the Engineers, but that's just because I'm an extraterrestrial-life freak, but yeah they should have let the Engineers be their own story and left the Space Jockey some enigmatic, freaky-cool, elephant-looking, giant mystery alien that got killed by a chest burster.
It left us with two questions - what the hell is that thing? and what the hell killed it? way better that way IMHO...
That space jockey cannot be an engineer as shown in Prometheus. An engineer is about 1-2 feet taller than human. Space Jockey is 3-4x times taller than a human. Also, i belive David havent killed the engineers, i think it is an other race. Smallers, different color skin, and not fully black eyes. Roman styles, living in "cave and rock" building. Recognized how thousands of them was running to the center of town when they saw the ship is incoming? Like waiting for their "gods".
That is one thing I was hoping for. That the Engineers stumbled upon the Jockeys and revered them as gods and so tried to mimic them. Suits to look like them, copied their ship design and attempting to create the creatures that they use as the ultimate weapon.
john toth - absolutely. I keep wondering why they were all so happy to see a 2000+ year-old ship and not thinking WTF?
now if scott had made a prequel back in 1980 with the same movie team then i think the results would have been epic, instead we have an artist trying to add onto a masterpiece 40 years later. It will not be the same , since he is a totally different man with different ideas then 40 yrs ago
Ridley Scott has completely lost it. Having David being the creator of the Xeno completely negates Prometheus altogether while detracting from the original Alien. Facehuggers and eggs are clearly in the mural in Prometheus but yet we're now to believe that David created them. Whoever wrote this script is a nitwit and what's even sadder is Ridley thought this was a good idea...There were a million different ways to follow Prometheus and this is what was chosen? Lunacy.
Ow you thought that was bad thanks to Covenant all the other Alien movies make no sense basically there non cannon now why, Alien takes place 18 years after Covenant so how the crashed ship had a dead engineer that was fossilized and a cargo of eggs makes no sense.
What the obsession with David is i don't no the hole human making robots is boring we wanted to see the engineers making aliens and why the f is there homeworld basically earth with a temple where's the h r giger art where's a love letter to him i thought we where going to see massive li ii statue.
It would have made more sense for a Xeno to be born from an Engineer. The pressure suit in Prometheus had biomech designs in it and from what I could tell the "suit" looked organic in nature like it was fused to the last Engineer. Total letdown in my opinion.
BobbyDigitalRD You are 100% right my friend!
David didnt create them though. He REcreated them once he "learned their (the Engineers') ways" (quote from the Prologue scene where he puts Shaw to sleep). Im sure we will find out in Awakening what he found out about the Engineers and thus hated them so much. I hope its not just because: "In order to create you sometimes have to destroy."
He didn't create them just perfected them
the problem is the size of the pilot is a hell of a lot larger than the engineers from prometheus and David himself was quite a bit smaller than the engineers. so I don't see how that would work
Shin Bakurenoh androids can't "mutate"...
Shin Bakurenoh he's not organic,he's an android
Shin Bakurenoh no he isn't
+Shin Bakurenoh
The original Alien from 1979 is much more mechanoid (metal like) than we can extract from David. Besides David being not metalic enough, he neither isn't organic enough to incubate and give birth the chestburster of the original Space Jockey in LV-446. He is just synthetic, not "metalic", not "organic". The goo has nothing to do with an artificial being, just can't fit in the equation with his characteristics.
Miles Paramore unless he takes some of the black pathegon which increases his size so he can complete his final experiment of creating the perfect life form.
I am pissed...how can David be the creator of the alien when in prometheus theres a frickin wall mural of a xeno?
If the mural depicts a deacon - Doesnt that make Davids creation just a hybrid, a modification, and not actually a creation?
As for David being the A1979 spacejockey...and the ultimate host for the biomechanical xeno we know - I dont think I would like that - But I suspect this is where they are going with the whole creation kills creator stuff.
I would rather have the xenoform be some kind of ancient species.
haha exactly. i think this Mr H is just grasping at straws here. sorry!
+Mimi Timekeeper lol Ridley said he is. I'm not grasping at shit
That is not the Xenomorph. Why do people keep calling it that? It's another type of Alien. It resembles the Deacon more than it resembles a Xenomorph.
well the engineers could have had knowledge of what the goo would create from human(and engineer dna) so it wouldn't be that far out for there to be a mural of it where the goo was stored. also, there were no facehuggers or eggs in Prometheus. There were hammerpedes, which were a result of worms swimming in the goo, and the trilobite-like creature that attacked the surviving engineer, neither of which are the facehuggers from ailen
syntaxed2 I really think it's just a xenomorph type creature like the Neomorph, Deacon, Protomorph in the prologue David did say that he studied and learned the Engineer's ways, and had ten years to do so so maybe they created something like the Xenomorph years before with the black goo, no one ever said that it was a Xenomorph in the mural, it just resembles a Xenomorph like creature which we know that there are many of now
Yes! I've been saying this all along. My guess in a nutshell, is that he realizes how to perfect it and he pretty much says "come to papa" with a face hugger and after that gets in the suit, then chest bursts! That's where the biomechanics of the xeno we know come from.
In the original Alien when they explore the Space Jockey the camera slowly zooms in onto the Jockey's face/helmet. This would be a perfect set-up for a final "We all know who it was and how he died..." moment of that character. So yes, I think they will draw the Jockey into the plot of the final prequel.
this movie took 5 years to make and all it did was give us more questions
Underated comment
"Sometimes to create one must first destroy"...Never would have thought of that Ridley Scott means his own "creation" in form of the Alien-Franchise
David being the space jokey would explain the Xenomorph's bio mechanical nature!
There's enough of a gap between Covenant and Alien that it's more likely the space jockey is someone we haven't seen yet. Perhaps an engineer seeking revenge/answers on what happened to his people. I've always found it interesting that the space jockey is neatly seated where they died - it suggests they were not expecting the chestburster. Or they knew about the chestburster but had some heroic reason to stay in that seat (perhaps to make sure the ship crashed and could not complete a journey to Earth)
Here's how I see it: we'll see David not only experiment on the Covenant colonists & embryos but also himself. He'll be constantly undergoing alterations, becoming biomechanical, more cyborg than android. Perhaps he'll even add Xenomorph DNA to himself, in an effort to be one with his creations. Also at some point he'll encounter the Engineer vessel on LV-426, using it's tech to fashion a huge, custom Bio Suit so that way he can stand over the Xenos as a tall, imposing God like figure. Ultimately he's done in, killed by one of his own "children", as evidenced by The Pilot's chest wound. The signal the Nostromo crew picked up? David's final middle finger to Humanity, ensuring some poor souls would come to the planet & fall victim to his "babies."
Dammit! This makes so much sense and it simply never occurred to me... Love your channel, your brain, and your voice/accent! 👍
First off, I've been loving your videos for a few weeks now. Most of what I took away from Covenant (my theories on David becoming the pilot) you mentioned in this video. I not only find the possibility of David ending up in that chair exciting, its more than disturbing. I loved Prometheus, and found its themes that humans creating beings in their own image would lead to their own downfall so intriguing and thought provoking, but about above all-disturbing. The idea of David being out in the galaxy deeming himself to now be THE new creator unbeknownst to the human race is so amazingly dark to me. I honestly find it difficult to explain in words how much LOVE this idea. The only way I describe it is as being creepy in a Lovecraftian way. That's what I loved so much about Prometheus- the elements of Lovecraft's The Mountains of Madness (You strike me as someone who may have read it, but if not I implore you and anybody to do so.) The vast unknown being far darker and sinister than you could believe. This is exactly the reason why I like how little we know about the Engineers. I could discuss this and more with you forever and a day, but ill finish by saying...I'm subscribing and keep the great debate going.
+Andy Sexton thank you man, really appreciate the comment and the subscribe, just glad to provide content people enjoy!
what would be cool... is if david at some point gets captured by the engineers.. he gets held up in a cell on the engineers ship.. then unleashes a queen face hugger into the ship.. ship crashes onto lv426
That is totally feasible as the plot of a future Alien prequel!
i hope it would turn out like something like that.. because obviously the engineer race will be pretty pissed at david.. so they might decide to try and hunt him down after the events of covenant
It's a shame the writers on these films aren't as clever.
That's good stuff, right there !!!
i see so many good ideas in comments to alien theory videos like this one. if only the filmakers had that kind of imagination
In aliens colonial marines if you shoot the back of the space jockeys head you actually see a recording showing the juggernaut shooting the other ship from Prometheus in the intro used by engineers the Prometheus gets shot down which could be why it crashed and may explain that hold in his chest
awesome video, Mr H!! keep up the amazing work!
Interesting video, - I do like the idea of David enhancing himself and making himself more organic in an attempt to make himself even superior - and a viable host. I've also heard talk that the eggs are the result of David's experiments with the eggs and colony embryos. Saw Alien: Covenant on it's UK release night - absolutely love it!
yes david indeed becum a spacy jockey in the next one.
The pilot of that ship was enormous in size.. I can't see that being David.
I think it was one of the engineer's but one of the wonder's.. there greatest of engineers.
I love these videos.
Keep on being awesome!
Let's just call it David
Don't you mean Walter? if he survived and gave chase in the juggernaut? Plus it is Walter who can regenerate and therefore more likely integrate with another lifeform
Fiona Willis
This is something that nobody seems to be talking about.
I also believe Walter is still 'alive'. Although I doubt we'll see any more of him as Ridley Scott and his writers have lost the plot churning out garbage instead.
When I saw this title my thought instantly was "Fucken hell here we go"
+AlexB4455 it's a theory
its an absolutely bad theory
Mr H Reviews no what gets me is that it's sad we have to result to this level of insanity. I actually am mad at Riddley Squat. Theories building up to covenant were good (if not a bit too edgy for producers) but now we have more un-answered questions and loopholes....
Oh btw next April fools can you make a theory as to why Ridley squat is sabotaging his own work?
You have just echoed exactly my theories regarding David and the origin of the bio mechanical xenomorphs.
The old looking age of the space jockey could be purely down to the atmosphere and chemicals in it
hey, honestly - am I the only person who noticed that David channelled his inner Roy Batty with stolen line "that's the spirit!" whilst attacking Daniels? haha. loved that Easter egg
There's a second reference too....it's how Walter shuts down when he gets done in the neck. He just kind of slumps forward and shuts down, not unlike Batty. The only thing that was missing was david mocking walter with a sarcastic tears in rain speech as he walks away and, for cold, callous cunty effect, whistling the theme tune from The Six Million Dollar Man and making six million dollar man noises as he walks off smirking to himself about the six million dollar upgraded android on the floor that he just bodied with no special effort.
FASCINATING theories. Thank you for opening my Alien eyes
if this space jockey is David why would he leave Beacon that transmits danger. because in alien when Ripley decodes the beacon and it says danger. Ash lied and said muthur said it was a help transmission.
+Sir. ShakesAlot but the company also knew what was on the ship
+Mr H Reviews,
But David doesn't actually work for the company, just for himself.
Perhaps, assuming the Space Jockey actually is David, some bizarre mutated engineer/cyborg version of himself, realising the horror he's unleashed now that he's become a victim of his own creation, he has a change of heart and decides to try and warn people away.
That's one reason why I think it work nicely if David does become the Space Jockey. It would tie in with the theme of the creation destroying and creator, which has been set up in Covenant.
Sir. ShakesAlot one reason why a slide because he conceal the truth from rently mainly because the company wanted him to bring back the organism alive
Sir. ShakesAlot. One reason why ash lied is because he knew without a shadow of a doubt that it was a beacon that said danger but he covered it up because the company wanted him to bring back the alien organism alive and to be honest Ripley's team was expendable
The Space Jockey has always been an enigma in the lore of Alien. Whether it is David or an Engineer, it was chestbursted or at least it appears to have been so. I liked the concept that this entity was biomechanical and a part of the ship, much harkening back to Giger's ideas. Maybe a cybernetic Engineer? or a synthetic (David) who implemented the Derelict's technology into him, explaining the size difference and what not.
To be honest Alien Covenant has left me eagerly awaiting the inevitable reboot of the Alien franchise. David creating the xenomorph is an idea that should never have gained traction, let alone become the core of the film.
Hate to say it but after watching Covenant, I can only believe that Scott was right when he said the "beast is cooked, done"...it is! The xeno in Covenant was depicted extremely well, too well infact, and it made me yearn for the restrictions of a tight rubber suit that must be kept in the shadows...but even that wouldn't work again with the xeno because it's a known quantity. "Franchise" is the same as "brand"...these are terms used to describe commercial product, so when a beloved original like Alien is described in those terms, you know that it's dead artistically speaking...oh my poor, poor big chap, RIP.
Fisticuffs between the robot and the creature...? That doesn't happen in any of the Alien movies. There is a preservation print of Alien in the archives of either the Smithsonian or Library of Congress (?), because the movie is considered to be of "cultural and artistic significance" (that's a true quote), so obviously many, many people DO infact consider Alien art, but you're entitled to your own opinion. Another opinion: Avatar is simple-minded SHIT, and many, many people agree with that aswell.
@ Bruce Wayne uniquieness is also a feature of art. it should've remained 2 movies. a brilliant horrorflick, and as for the 2nd, an amazing action movie. stop right there, move on.
oh yeah, there are a ton of great ideas, which are being rejected in favor of the next installment of a worn out franchise. the biomechanical aesthetics should be the focus when it comes to giger, not a single design. and great movies thrive of minimalism and mysteries. explaining every damn step in the making of the xenomorph and demystify the jockey just gets you in tedious movie making territory. like a chewed up gum tasting like an old n dirty sock.
I am glad we have David to course correct this because to me he's far more effective than the Xenomorph has ever been for me. I also think Ridley was right with his musings on the Xenomorph having lost all impact. For example, tons of people are nitpicking the Facehugger scene, and my theater even laughed at it audibly. The impact is completely lost as the concept is all too familiar to the audience, even if the characters in-universe obviously don't know what it is.
Mr. H’s hypotheses about David possibly incorporating his own altered makeup into the evolutionary path of the Xenomorph producing perfection is a fascinating and satisfying one. This would be an assertion of David’s achievement of taking control of his vary makeup created by humans and altering that into his own purpose driven grand creation. Thereby, ultimately taking control over his essence and evolution which was initially dictated by a flawed mankind and the limits of its technology of which he is a product of. Transcending them and becoming perfection by his own hand.
I think David’s (possible) grand scheme included besting his creators by destroying the creators of his creators producing the intended or unintended result of becoming a God in the process. This seems to mirror the path Weyland ultimately took. Weyland wanted immortality. In his deleted scene in Prometheus, he equated himself with that of the Engineers / gods. He sited the creation of David being his justification and worthiness of immortality.
Ironically, David has immortality but could have possibly sought validation by establishing himself as a god or the creator of gods. An inverse of Weyland but possibly producing the same result.
This leads me to ask is David trying to be God or the Creator of God? Or maybe Both?
Or maybe he just has daddy issues….
yes that seem like the obvious conclusion to David's actions... but something does not sit right with me.
Throughout the films, David has shown a high degree of morality, feelings and contemplation.. I mean the droid was crying in almost every scene in AC..lol
David... wanted to communicate with the neomorphs.. he was searching for some "humanity" within them. Once he managed to create the Xenomorph.. he helped Daniels blow it out of the air lock.
His motivations and his actions do not synch with each other. I dont feel like David's ultimate goal would be to create the perfect killing machine. Seems a bit near sighted for David.
You never know with the droids from the Alien films but it seemed obvious to me that David was feeling emotion back in Prometheus. Of which Waylend corp tried to correct with Walter. Disappointment and anger seeming to be the prevalent ones. Take the pool table scene from Prometheus:
David:“Why do you think your people made me?”
Holloway:,“we made you because we could”
David: “Can you imagin how disappointing it would be for you to hear the same thing from your creator?”
After that, Holloway became David’s first test subject of the black goo. (I know, I know Wayland wanted David to “try harder” which probably meant experimenting with the black goo ...but you know David was highly P.O-ed.)
To me, David trying to communicate with the Neomorphs seemed ironic because in the first scene of AC. you have David and Waylend communicating for what seems to be the first time after David was assembled. (I don’t remember what was said exactly, I only saw it one time but Wayland didn’t look too happy.) Later, in a loosely similar moment you have David trying to communicate with the Neomorph not long after it was born. Of course his moment was taken from him but he soon after had a second moment. That moment was caused by his direct action and he was there from start to finish even doing the wave with the Xenomph right after it busted out of the guys chest. (like he hit a home run)
David letting Daniels and Tennessee jettison the Xeno could merely be his cold observation and analyses of his test subject’s resolve and survivability. Of which he would make adjustments. It could also be an even colder ruse to gain the trust of the crew so that he could permanently put their asses to bed. Knowing that he could make more Xenos 20k times over.
I don’t think David’s goal is to create the ultimate killing machine. I think its in the realm of besting humanity by destroying it, violating it (and you can’t violate anyone worse than a Xenomph bursting out of your chest or what is implied by the ending of AC.)
Could perhaps Walter be the space jockey? We do not know what happened to him, and David looked back apprehensively when exiting the temple structure. It is possible that Walter repaired himself and, being stranded on the planet, learned about the engineer's technology, fixing the crashed croissant spacecraft and flying after the covenant... a bit crazy, but who knows?
Great video Mr H 👍
The Space Jockey is so much bigger than the engineers shown in Prometheus and look at the difference in the arms the engineers look so stubby while the space jockeys are the length of an an adult human even though they are really Ridley Scott's kids in suits in those pics.
It feels like RS is just making it up as he goes along, not uncovering an amazing pre-existing story. The Space jockey appeared so wonderfully ancient and mysterious, now it ends up not meaning anything of the sort. Also, the great Crossing short released prior to the film's opening, was so interesting and poetic, elegantly suggesting fascinating things to come. But, to me, it turned out to be only unsatisfying horror porn. I've got to say though it was so beautifully photographed along with other satisfying aspects making me hopeful for his upcoming Alien films.
Great Video, as always. These are definitely my favourite Alien Theories.
My questions are-
1.Were the Engineers really stupid enough to have only one city?!
2. Is the Docking Ship responsible for the Juggernaut crashing and has it flown off to get reinforcements to get revenge!
3.Surely, one of the engineers would have had a bloody suit to put on and avoid the black goo!
4. Why didn't David just trap Tenessee and Daniels? He had mo reason to really pretend to help them!
Cheers Mr H!
Remember Walter may be still alive so he might get the ship up and running again since he a later model. He goes to find David. Walter then beats David putting him on the ship with the eggs and send it to a plant far away and just before it crash lands David pushes a destress button knowing near by humans will investigate idk
True was just a thought
So pumped for the movie! Can't wait :D!
Great theories, great thoughts, thank you for sharing...
Read the Alien covenant book
in it david shows a fossilized alien egg
he tells the captain that the enginers made it, a super weapon
that he based his work on
so acorrding to the novel
no
David just made a copy
It was clearly mention mr H that the surface of LV426 had an atmosphere that made objects fossilise quickly meaning something even 1 year old could be fossilised as if for 1000 plus
actually it makes sense, David is kind of a psycho so it would make sense that he would want to merge with his creation and creatd the so called "ultimate organism"
That's not bad. I like it. You know what would be cool? See, David talks about how he doesn't wish to be human, the awesome line "they make you guys pretty close" and David replies "not too close I hope." What if one of the heroes of the story, as the ultimate payback to David, they infect him with the pathogen which makes him human, the one thing he hates the most. And then that's what gets him attacked by a Facehugger. That would be so cool!
So yeah, your theory makes a lot of sense, I'm glad I watched this.
Yo H, Congrats to 50.000 loyal Subscribers! The Movie was great // 4.5 out of 5. Waiting for "Awakening" ;-) Very interesting Story but a few things are still missing, we all need more explanation.
+Game Inspector insanity, just realised I broke 50k can't believe it. I'm excited for the future of the franchise, it wasn't a perfect film by any stretch but it'll be interesting moving forwards!
I truly love this movie more each time I watch it
Can't wait to see the film this Friday....Interesting theory. I'm sure in the future Alien movies, we will see the Space Jockey before its demise.
daaaaaam the lore is stong with this one! great video!
This theory holds the most water . how a juggernaught gets full of eggs and finds its way into the story could be Walter chasing after them, OR engineers fighting back. I have a feeling though the engineers are done.
i totally had this theory going in my head before seeing this video- even left a comment with pretty much the content of this vid in another one of your videos. I think it's a very plausible theory and makes sense- but like you said, the size of the jockey makes me think it's not david or a human... unless david's mutation makes him grow in size, but i don't see that happening, doesn't seem like Scott would do that.
Maybe he will use the egg morphing process to turn the colonists into facehugger eggs
your video are always awesome
Ridley Scott needs to step down from the reigns of the Alien franchise. What the hell was he thinking with David being the creator of the Aliens? A few things that now do not line up... 1. The Space Jokey ship with the Alien Cargo that was dated so many years old is now BS and why would a Engineer be flying about with Davids cargo? 2. Aliens sharing same universe as Predators has now been debunked as the Aliens were not created until the year 2104 (dunno if precise date) and Predators has been fighting them for thousands of years. 3. The Alien was born not as a Chest Buster but as a Tiny Xeno. 4. The little Xeno bowed to David like it was his master, Aliens are primal hunters! They answer to the Hive not a machine! there is no doubt hundreds more things that he has screwed with aswell.
ok MR H. Going back to Prometheus. Why does no one ask what happened to the engineers, out of all the questions they ask? There was a huge crisis, they attempted a sudden evacuation (things went to pot). Their own record shows a great deal ran into the giant head room, one got caught in the closing door...and POOF when the Prometheus crew opens the door, no sign of engineers...is the room a portal? to where? what of the piles of dead engineer bodies in pressure suits? if something was released that was soo deadly, it didn't wait around for the Prometheus crew. Please discuss.
That is an interesting theory. Although David is synthetic, there are evidences that suggest there is some organic components to it. David and Ash can be seen eating and drinking on some occasions, David's hairs are growing, etc...Therefore, it would make some sense that David's body is not 100% unsensitive to the black patogen and eventually a particular type of re-engineered facehugger...
The space Jockey is a special breed of pilots that it's sole purpose is do long interstellar travel while the rest of the crew is in deep cryogenic sleep, they are living supercomputers that do complex calculations for space traveling that not even supercomputers can achieve sort of like the Space Guild Navigators (From the masterpiece film Dune)
awesome video, still can't see covenant yet.
Putinisgood That bad?
it is action packed after the first hour
A1Googler There is a lot of inconcistency. Its best to turn your intelligence to 0 and enjoy it for what it is.
Don't watch it. HUGE letdown
In space, no one can hear you go “meh.”
I find it hard to believe that the suit would degrade to the extent that it appears fossilised over the course of twenty years, when several functional ones are seen in the juggernaut in Prometheus which was meant to have been there for about two thousand years.
Explain this.... Why did the black liquid create two neomorphs when it infected it's hosts in covenant but when it infected holloway in Prometheus it was mutating him?
David admits in the novelisation that the facehugger-containing egg is something the engineers left behind that he's playing with. Given his tendency towards showing off the magnificence of everything he does, for him to admit this indicates it's probably reliable.
We know the Engineers have been spacefarers for many centuries. If an earlier mission to retrieve eggs from wherever they first come (or to take them somewhere once the Engineers had made them) had failed badly (for reasons we know well), this would leave the crashed ship on LV426 long enough for the Space Jockey to become fossilised as Kane describes.
Dude...u cant put up leading titles like this. Movie has not even opened i my country yet..
Love the channel!
+Gustaf Hult it isn't a spoiler it's a theory
The Space Jockey as well as the xenomorph were both biomechanical beings . Scott has really has went off the beam with this Jesus alien kick.
This is a theory I had before Prometheus came out in cinemas, that David accidentally created the Xenomorph when messing with the Juggernaut Machines and the ship Ai scanned David so the Xeno was bio mechanical but then that film happened and the rest is history.
Also, its pretty obvious that the Space Jocky had not been on the planet for a long times as the distress call crossed the Earth-Thedus shipping line for the first time around the period when the Nostromo was on her return voyage. If the signal had been running for eons then other ships beforehand would have detected it.
qetoun this guy gets it
But wasn't the derelict sending out a warning message?
lazyguy348 To whom?To other Engineers/Spacejockeys or was is warning signal?
Beautiful theory!!
I think if the engineers were space travelers, after Davids destruction, maybe some of the engineers out in space came back to the planet and got infected. Knowing about the origin of the black goo, they maybe headed that way but unknown to them they were infected or had face hugger stowaway. During the initial flight the pilot was killed and the ship went on its own in the direction of the planet before crashing.
David definitely needs to do more work to create Xenomorphs. The Protomorphs are just a prototype.
Of course, it's also possible, and in fact probable, going from the mural on LV-223, that the Engineers already created Xenomorphs, and David is just trying to follow in their footsteps.
I guess we'll learn in _Alien: Awakening_.
I'm guessing the FINAL product of the black goo is in fact the Xenomorph, thus explains the murals in the walls.
So David just accelerated the end product result by those experiments he made.
As they always say: "The perfect organism"
That's weird, I was lying awake last night thinking the exact same thing. It would make sense, but I also wonder if David purposely sacrificed himself to create the ultimate Xenomorph. A question: in all these movies that contain the crashed or landed juggernaut, I've always wondered how the ship is so easily accessible. Where on the actual ship is the front door, or entrance?
one thing that seems to be missed in all of this is what type of xenomorph killed the engineers in the engineers research facility.
+hunter hornet separate video
I could potentially see it going that way for sure. Possibly David trying to outstrip his android limitations by trying to become a 'real boy' through further experimentation with the black goo and maybe even engineer DNA. Perhaps somewhere along this path he ends up as a mutated engineer cyborg, much more akin to the look of what we saw in the original film. As you say, this would ultimately be his undoing, as his cargo of eggs would now be able seize on him as a potential host, resulting in the more bio mechanical look of the classic xeno. That actually makes a lot of sense to me. Will be interesting to see if that's the ultimate route they go down.
Hey man, love your vids... was wondering if you would do a review on the film Life?
An infected android could be a good explanation for the bio mechanical appearance.
A good theory.
i really like your theory :) greets from México
When you think about it, David's progress in his experiments are kind of backwards in what Weyland Yutani (the corporation) wants in the future, which is a perfect biological weapon. The engineers actually perfected the weapon by just having goo that could easily enter the body. Spores were a downgrade from the goo but it could at least enter a hosts body easily, then face huggers were a downgrade from the spores as it started to become more host specific as well as in the way the parasite needed to be attached to the host. A face hugger would not work on something with an incompatible head shape like a crocodile, a pelican or an elephant, but the goo and spores could.
I really hoped the bio-mech features of the final xenomorph were to be attributed to the assimilation of engineers with the suits on, something paralleling the black-goo led Fifield transformation in Prometheus..but, like many other cool plotlines I had in mind for the series, it seems a far cry from what is going to be now
I think it's one thing changing the size of the engineers from Alien to Prometheus but it would be taking things too far by scaling it down even more to a human size, just to have David be in that suit. The original Alien scene just wouldn't look right then, it's huge.
The next movies will probably be
Alien:infection
Alien:hibernation
Alien:World War
Alien:Plague
Alien:Recogition
David cannot be influenced by the black goo because he is a synthetic.
Like the shot in Prometheus where he has a drop of it on his finger and says, "big things have small beginnings", he knew then it would have no effect on him, so on the planet after dropping the black goo payload on the engineers (or another species seeded by them) David had ten-odd years to play with the goo.
+suolasfilms yup, but his hair also grows, they may be introducing an organic element to him and that be how he "filters" the accelerant into him. It's already been shown in comics that specific synthetics are affected
What could be is that David wanted to bombard earth with the xenomorph eggs to eliminate humans after he ran out of black goo. One facehugger goes out of control, David gets an egg inside him, and the rest is history.
What doesn't make sense is how the chemical weapon that started it all just petrifies/kills the engineers on contact during covenant but uses one as a host in Prometheus and uses Humans as hosts.
Scott should have followed H.R Giger's vision for space jockey.
"The creature we finally ended up building is biomechanical to the extent that he has physically grown into, or maybe even out of, his seat, - he's integrated totally into the function he performs.The pilot is conceived as one of my biomechanoids, attached to the seat so as to form a single unit"
All those years debating in avpgalaxy forums, we came from ancient non-humanoid biomechanical alien (part of biomechanical ship) fossilized thousands of years ago to david in a suit 20 years ago.
Nothing is canon about alien universe. Scott just makes up things as it goes.
That does make good sense. As long as Davids new morphing has us see him as being HUGE, we can still have the HUGE space jockey so nothing changed. Also his tampering would would explain how xenos pretty much leave androids alone, whether registering them as non hostile, like family, or some trigger in their biology. The beacon could have been just an automatic signal, or the only available com system working and able to broadcast. And the petrification just a by-product of the atmosphere on the planet with substances of the ship increasing aging by a factor of x10. Like leaving paper in the sun or wet steel shovel in the rain, it just starts to deteriorate and rust in a matter of days when left to the elements.
That said, I still don't like the engineers are just muscle men albinos, I liked thinking it was this elephantine giant creature. I also don't like the progenitor creator might be david and this weaponized black goo, which might just be a bad batch of black goo and the ship might for all intents and purposes been a trash hauler to dispose of the crap. For a retcon/reboot the series is good, but as a shoe horned prequel trilogy it's just bad.
literally watched alien tonight and wondered this after watching Covenant myself... wonder if he integrated himself into their technology and biology.
Where can I read some interviews with the designers?
I find this theory dubious at best, especially considering the size of the Space Jockey. It is fun to speculate, though
why did Ridley throw away everything he built in Prometheus with the engineers? He might as well announced Prometheus as not cannon.
Ridley Scott: QUOTE: "Anytime anything in my movies is confusing or doesn't make sense, 'A wizard did it'."
I hate that they killed Shaw for no reason. It would have been better if she had never awoke and remained in cryo-sleep. Sparing her for a better sequel.
The question is where is the xenomorph from space jockey did that alien turn into queen size alien? interesting question.
I believe that the Engineers he killed in Covenant, are not the last, possibly a different sect of the same species. At some point there should be more, and one will try to escape in a ship that has these eggs already on board, infecting the pilot, the killing him thru the chest burst event, therefore crashing on LV426 and ultimately leading to the discovery by the crew of the Nostromo.
or perhaps the ship on lv426 is a far older ship holding the original strain of the xenomorph, piloted by an engineer. what david created and what they encountered in promethius is an altered strain slowly readjusting its self to its original perfection.
Don't forget that the 'Bio-mechanical' tissue is also seen on the 'Suits' of the engineers.
The ship could’ve crashed 1000s of years ago, the jockey fossilized, and then a queen just laid eggs in the wreck
this video blew my mind
why does the dude doing the video sound like the black guy from the resident evil movie
+Frank Bags the dude in the video has a name
Lol, he's got you though...you do sound a bit like Colin Salmon